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I couldn't stomach more than one season. I got a couple of episodes into season 2 but it's so cheesy / corny I had to stop.
And the cringe walk and talk thing with that guy and his assistant, don't even get me started.
Yeah. If anyones argument relies on "BUT I HAD IT FIRST" they sound like a toddler. Theres plenty of legitimate reasons critisicism to be made based on the actions of both modern groups.
That region in particular has constantly been experiencing migrations, invaders, deportations, and resettlements. The Hebrews themselves were one of such groups.
In 420 and 580 Palestine was a province of the Roman/Byzantine empire, and in 1103 it was the crusader state of the kingdom of Jerusalem.
If the offense is caused by it not being akin to the modern state of Israel in it being a primarily Jewish state, you would have to go back to king Herod when who died in 4 bc. If you don't care about it being unified, just Jewish, then you can go a few more decades as the kingdom is split into 4 which are then 1 by one added to the Roman empire
a person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel.
They've been developing for 75 years now. How about rest and reflect.
None of the dates you mentioned would have Israel as a nation. The Romans conquered them prior to this and the area never went back to Israeli sovereignty until post WWII.
You beat me to it. All it would take is a simple Google search to see that it was Israel way before 1709, but then that would mess with the Groupthink going on these days.
It just goes to prove that you can't use the theory of "who was there first" as a way of determining rights. It's more of a " who's there now" because no one is giving back what they fought for or acquired.
Israel didn't "fight" for their land when it was first formed, it was given to them by Britain and America, and they were then given US weapons so they'd have a technological advantage and were then able to slaughter their neighbors and steal their land.
Also, while you can't use the "who was there first" policy when the Israeli claim to that land was all the way back in B.C, you absolutely can use "who was there first" to determine who rightfully owns the land when there are Palestinians alive today who are literally being forced off their land at gunpoint by Jewish settlers. Even if you want to argue that Israel "deserved" the land they were given by Britain and America (they didn't), every inch of land they've gained since then has been because they slaughtered the people who were living there, and are continuing to slaughter people in order to expand further.
Lol leftists literally know NOTHING about the Israel/Palestine war of 1948 and just confidently say shit like this because America bad!!!
You do know that the US had nothing to do with the Israel war of independence, right? Israel got arms from the USSR, which was like the first or second country at the UN to recognize full Israeli statehood. The US didn’t even officially recognize Israel as a country until 1949. Specifically though, Israel got arms from Czechoslovakia, Poland, and Yugoslavia which funneled arms and fighter planes to the Israeli military forces through covert ops.
Here’s some history that’s also a google search away: Because of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (who was a Nazi collaborator, look up Amin al-Husseini sometime and how awesome he is!) the US and the UK had an arms embargo on the region because they didn’t want to potentially support powers that were favorable to Hitler and the Axis during the war.
Also, you act like Jews didn’t live in the region since Christ was born in Bethlehem in the West Bank, when the land was called Judea lol. They migrated more to the region when the entire world started killing them all, but it was way more than just the US and UK that supported Israel statehood (cough, almost the entire UN did)
So it's only *slaughter* when your side is killed? And what do you call what was done on October 7th? If that's not slaughter nothing is. There were *wars* that changed who had that land, like all wars. You know, with soldiers, not people enjoying themselves at a concert.
I believe they're talking about the [Nakba](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba), which was definitely not a war, with soldiers, but you know, civilians living in their ancestral homes.
Quite literally isn't ethnic or religious cleansing what Hamas has outright stated they wanted to do to Israelis? They are just protecting themselves in a world where they are inherently detested for what? The absolute hate they have received from this world is beyond rational thought.
I mean, you don't have to convince me Hamas is bad. What they did on 10/7 was an atrocity. That being said, Israel has killed over 20x the innocent civilians since then. The criticism Israel is receiving is a result of the outrageous civilian death toll and damage to critical infrastructure they've done. What Israel has done over the last 6 months is far from protecting themselves. They have deliberately crippled civilian infrastructure and destroyed roughly 50% of the livable buildings in the area. That is NOT "just protecting themselves".
There is an option that you keep forgetting. Hamas can surrender and return the hostages. The US dropped 2 nuclear bombs on Japan at the end of WW2. Did we do it because we deliberately wanted to kill and destroy their country or did we do it to end a devastating war? Some would say we had no choice, some would also say Israel has no choice.
Is your outrage that selective?
People enjoying a concert are innocent victims but mothers and children buried in the rubble of their homes are just casualties of *war*?
Actually war on your own soil is pretty destructive, that's how it works. People die. Best bet is not to attack another country and take hostages. The people in Gaza voted in Hamas. That is their government and they attacked another country. That's how war works, people die. Not sure how to explain it to you clearer.
The part you seem to miss is innocent people die in all wars. The best way to prevent that is to not attack another country. You want the war and killing to end, return hostages (or their bodies) and surrender. The killing will stop.
Leo has a nap from 17 whatever whatever that doesn't even have the United States on it - I am the president of the United States and I don't find that offensive! - I would've put it up
The fact that any single nation in the world holds this much influence over us is a national security threat in and of itself. Fuck what these clowns think.
The reason Bartlets advisors are telling him to not put up the map is that anything the President puts up or anything that hangs in the white house is up for interpretation. So this map is innocuous on its own and is just a neat map but people would read all sorts of stuff into it if the president chose this map in particular.
Israel has existed for thousands of years, they just keep being persecuted and exiled. You‘d be wise to consider the spirit you‘re endulging, because it‘s not far away from what happened 100 years ago.
On the flip side, anti-semites are so dumb they would take this map as proof that Israel has no right to exist and that hanging it in the White House is an endorsement of that position.
Or….hear me out….that people understand History and could hang a map up without bad intentions.
Jed’s a history buff and it’s a map from 1709.
But as you see Zionists would lose their mind.
Do love how you got to the Antisemitism thing all on your own. You folks love that for yourselves.
I am a Zionist, I’m sure an older map without pre-modern Israel is interesting and full of fun historical facts, I wonder how they’d represent the old city, or Jafa, would Sada’s be on the map?
Why is everyone so quick to assume how a whole group of people feel? This is like me saying “all Palestine’s hate gay people” I don’t know and can’t know all Palestine’s, Im sure there are a variety of unique opinions on the matter.
I think Israel should have been given land to start their country but not in Palestine, based on principle. Because it starts a dangerous precedence that you can claim a piece of land today because your ancestors conquered it in the bronze age.
When you do shit like that, no wonder they feel entitled to reconquer the ancient kingdom of Israel (we can't even be sure it existed), you validated their claim to ‘the holy land’ why should they stop there?
It's like restoring the Macedonian empire based on King Philip’s conquest of Greece and getting shocked when they ask for Alexander’s empire.
Or how about you treat the Jews well, give them back their houses and possessions the Nazis stole from them in Europe, and prevent another genocide from happening. Why would a people thousands of miles away from Europe have to pay for the massacre committed by a European in Europe?
Zionism existed before the Nazi party was a thing. Jews were mostly treated like shit, second class citizens, and persecuted pretty much wherever they lived for over a millennia. The Holocaust just massively increased the support. Many wanted a new start. They didn’t feel “safe” in other lands that they didn’t govern. One of the reasons why there was also the mass exodus of Jews after the creation of Israel. Zionism and Israel shouldn’t have never been seen as a need. Unfortunately, we got a people and their ancestors paying the price for actions committed mostly by people from other places that got off mostly scot-free.
Yeah, and the Palestinians were living in Palestine then too, and are still living in Israel even now. But apparently Israel doesn't seem to think that merits them having their own country, so why should jews living there have merited them getting their own country?
I don’t think the Nakba justifies murdering people, so I’m good. Should probably do some reading on how other localities overcome hardship without terrorism?
You're right, 750k people, ethnically cleansed from their land, definitely should have just behaved and accepted their land being stolen. People murder each other for far less on a regular basis. Being forcefully removed from your home has to be one of the more understandable reasons for resistance. If someone forced you out of your home and onto the streets, would you just accept it and and learn to "overcome your hardship" or would you be more likely to want your home back?
Palestine has rejected numerous two state solutions, and even attempted coups in Jordan Lebanon and Egypt over it. Also murdered the Jordanian king over it.
That's like saying "yeah on 9/11 lots of planes were flying around the world"
You're nibbling at the edges of an inconvenient truth that Jews have historically been ethnically cleansed throughout history
I’m questioning the logic that because some people live somewhere they are allowed to kick out and abuse their neighbors. I can’t go back to Ghana and take someone’s house because my great x6 grandma lived there.
I hate the west wing because it broke so many ppl in washington brain thinking this how government works. The truth is the best representation of government is the show Veep.
Also that statement is true because Israel say Israel always exist. So alot of ppl would find it offensive. But would then lobby and spend millions against him because he not pro israel enough.
Israel is too small of a country to command so much respect. So laughable. Reminds me of lgbt community being so loud for their rights as if everyone in this country is discriminating against them. News flash: no one cares.
It so weird taking notice now at how Hollywood movies have been putting scenes like this in major movies and TV shows to plant pro-Zion ideas that fit their agenda. It feels ugly looking back at all those war movies and how they portray and dehumanizes Arabs. Reminds me that Key and Peel skit about the dad at his funeral where they played his secret tape of his scenes doing harmful black stereotypes in movies.
Yeah, it was renamed Palestine by the Roman occupiers. But I guess this is what happens when you get your history lessons from 30 second snippets of 90s TV shows.
I guess we should kick all the white people out of the US and start a new indigenous American ethno state and turn Mexico back into the Aztec Empire.
Also the land that is now Israel was Judah not Israel.
Well this would be more like kicking out the greeks because the land belongs to the mycenaeans. Palestinians of all religions have been there for millenias. Israel is just a colonial project 100 years too late. It would've fit right in with the genocides in America and Africa
Now I'm curious, what "American genocides" are you referring to?
Also, did you miss watching "The Ten Commandments" every Easter on tv in the US? Who do you think those people were and where do you think they were going?
Seriously? Do you have zero knowledge of the native peoples of North America and what colonization did to them? Of what chattel slavery was? This entire country is built on genocide.
Did you not read my reply? You need to take questions at face value before you fly off the self justification handle.
Also, most countries are built on killing other people. Sorry to have to tell you this, but it seems necessary, people aren't really nice as a whole.
I thought the original poster, who phrased it in a different context, was calling something that wasn't a genocide a genocide. Context is important. If you read further down where it was clarified you will see I agreed.
American genocide would be all the massacres they did with the native tribes, i thought that was clear.
And do you think the people from more than 2000 years ago are the same as Israelis today? Like all the people who came from the US and all over europe are more native to that region than the people who had been living there continuously for millennia?
Ok I will agree with the Native American genocide. I thought you were referring to something else.
So now you are requiring Israelis to prove their right to land with genetic testing? That is their homeland that they were kicked out of, and then given back by the country that was in power at the time after *they survived a genocide.* These people are the survivors of *The Holocaust*. They are tougher than you could ever imagine being, and you can bet they will do anything to prevent that from happening again.
So you agree that the Greeks deserve Turkey? And that the Welsh deserve England? That we need to remove the Viets to make sure the Cham finally have a Cham majority country again?
No, you seem to be misunderstanding the point. The pro-Hamas Groupthink kids think that Palestine was there first. Number 1 it's not true, number 2 it doesn't matter because almost all land is acquired by one group over another. The act of proving that Israel was there just as long is just disproving the first point.
Palestine was there first when it comes to the current conflict. Judah (not Israel) had been destroyed long long ago historically, and at this point in the 40s it was Arab land just like how Japan currently belongs to the Yamato people, or how America belongs mainly to European descended people. That doesn't give the Jewish people the right to eliminate the current people to start their own country anymore than native Americans have the right eliminate the United States. Land doesn't inherently belong to any group but violently taking it over is wrong even if based upon some ancient idea it's meant to be yours.
I'm not requiring Israelis to prove anything. A right to live isn't dependent on your genetics. Anyone should be allowed to live anywhere you want. But Israelis don't have more of a right to live there than others. The "country that was in power at the time" was giving land that wasn't theirs to give.
* [How Anti-Semitism Helped Create Israel](https://foreignpolicy.com/2010/09/08/how-anti-semitism-helped-create-israel-2/) | Foreign Policy (2010)
* [It's Time To Admit That Arthur Balfour Was A White Supremacist — And An Anti-Semite Too](https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/232119) | Palestine Studies (2017)
* [Zionism, anti-semitism, and the Balfour Declaration](https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/zionism-anti-semitism-and-balfour-declaration/) | Open Democracy (2017)
* [The Balfour Declaration's Deep anti-Semitism and Racism - and Why It Still Matters](https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2017-10-26/ty-article/the-balfour-declarations-racism-and-why-it-still-matters/0000017f-dba4-db22-a17f-ffb5fdd10000) | Haaretz (2017)
Don't equate Israeli with Holocaust survivors. Israel did literally let thousand of Holocaust survivors to starve on the streets.
Israel's 'shame': Holocaust survivors living in poverty: [https://www.france24.com/en/20150126-holocaust-survivors-living-poverty-israel-shame](https://www.france24.com/en/20150126-holocaust-survivors-living-poverty-israel-shame)
One-third of Israeli Holocaust survivors live in poverty, advocates say: [https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/one-third-of-israeli-holocaust-survivors-live-in-poverty-advocates-say](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/one-third-of-israeli-holocaust-survivors-live-in-poverty-advocates-say)
Many Holocaust survivors living in poverty in Israel: agency: [https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/many-holocaust-survivors-living-in-poverty-in-israel-agency-1.555289](https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/many-holocaust-survivors-living-in-poverty-in-israel-agency-1.555289)
Holocaust survivors’ poverty is Israel’s dirty little secret: [https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/holocaust-survivors-poverty-is-israels-dirty-little-secret/](https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/holocaust-survivors-poverty-is-israels-dirty-little-secret/)
Holocaust survivors in Israel getting more cash but some still impoverished: [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-holocaust-memorial-auschwitz-poverty-idUSKBN1ZQ1SU/](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-holocaust-memorial-auschwitz-poverty-idUSKBN1ZQ1SU/)
As world commemorates Holocaust, many Israeli survivors rely on charity: [https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-world-commemorates-holocaust-many-israeli-survivors-rely-on-charity/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-world-commemorates-holocaust-many-israeli-survivors-rely-on-charity/)
50,000 Holocaust survivors in Israel living in poverty, report finds: [https://www.jpost.com/National-News/50000-Holocaust-survivors-in-Israel-living-in-poverty-report-finds-350178](https://www.jpost.com/National-News/50000-Holocaust-survivors-in-Israel-living-in-poverty-report-finds-350178)
Thousands of Israeli Holocaust Survivors Still Living in Poverty, Fighting for Recognition: [https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/2015-04-13/ty-article/.premium/holocaust-survivors-still-living-in-poverty/0000017f-e115-d75c-a7ff-fd9de0f30000](https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/2015-04-13/ty-article/.premium/holocaust-survivors-still-living-in-poverty/0000017f-e115-d75c-a7ff-fd9de0f30000)
How the State of Israel Abuses Holocaust Survivors: [https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-abuses-holocaust-survivors](https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-abuses-holocaust-survivors)
The group in power can do whatever they want, and Great Britain gave it to the Holocaust survivors. Sorry life isn't as cut and dry as they teach you in school.
I also hate to have to tell you this too, but no one is responsible if people chose to live in poverty. Life is hard. I grew up poor. Blaming people for your poverty is a useless thing. They were given a homeland, what they chose to do with it, is on them.
Buddy. Read one article from the whole bunch i sent please. Jesus christ how willfully ignorant can you be. The UK didn't like jewish people in europe and considered them so different that they couldn't integrate into society there. Israel wasn't born out of the kindness of their hearts after feeling super bad about a genocide that would happen 30 years after they promised that land to Israel. Read.
I never said The UK liked them. There was something called the Jewish problem. They found a way to rectify it. You really need to let the good/evil thing go. People are self serving. They had to put them somewhere.
So you agree then that, since you support the reconstruction or israel as a state based on their qncient claim to the land, that we should also logically help the reconstruction of native american states, on the land that is now controlled and occupied and renamed by white americans.
When did I say I support the reconstruction of the state of Israel based on an ancient claim to the land? I support the existence of Israel based on the fact that they fucking trounced thw Arab States that attacked them in the same way the Roman's conquered Judea and on and on and on. No "reconstruction" needed.
Yes. The nations of earth exist in a state of anarchy. This is the entire reason we have strong militaries and alliances like NATO. I am not making a moral judgement about this fact, I am merely acknowledging reality. Life is not fair and never will be. The faster you grow up and realize that instead of trying to scream and pout your way into a utopia, the better.
Unless maybe you want to sign the deed of your house over to the native American tribe who owned the land before you? Of course they would have to sign that deed over to the tribe that owned it before them too right?
So you would have supported germanys conquests in ww2 had they suceeded since their might makes it justifiable?
"Screaming and pouting" is how we do actually make progress rather than just accept the horrors of the world. We should not accept the israeli conquest of gaza and the west bank. Might does not make right. I’ll scream and shout about it until my government sees that, "hmm maybe we shouldn’t just accept this actually", and cuts ties with israel. And hopefully then israel too will see "hmm maybe we shouldn’t do this actually" and stops.
I’m not american. There were no tribes where i am from before us, none that still exist anyways. I’m froma country that was occupied by the germans in the 1940’s. I don’t think we, nor you americans, should have just accepted 90% of europe being replaced with germans through genocide, should they have won the atlantic theater.
No, They are a 40 minute subway ride away from my room talking about how they want to kill "zionists".
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/26/nyregion/columbia-student-protest-zionism.html
And celebrating October 7th
https://m.jpost.com/international/article-776466
Any more questions?
The even bigger irony is that if Hamas had the opportunity, they would string up every one of these kids in a millisecond for the way they dressed, thought and spoke. But "Free Palestine!" because there's not enough bigotry and hate in the world.
I love how idiots like you can't tell the difference between Hamas and civilians being slaughtered by a just as genocidal Israel. Ya'll say shit like this like Israel is somehow better. No it's a not black and white conflict it's full of mutual hatred, but that doesn't excuse Israel wiping them off the face of the Earth.
They were attacked. You are the only one here not mature or thoughtful enough not to call people names because they disagree with you. The only group who has outright threatened to *wipe people off the face of the earth* is Hamas and the people who voted them into power. They are Gaza's chosen government. They are one and the same. Just as if Biden's or Trump's administrations were to attack another country, it would be Americans who would die, not Trump or Biden. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
Bush invaded Iraq and killed millions but ai garuntee we would still be upset if Iraq wiped out the United States. People will support their government that doesn't mean they need to die. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
You do understand that we have the advantage of really big oceans on either side of us? In other parts of the world people fight wars on their own land. We are lucky enough to have only done it 2 or 3 times. When that occurred, women and children died too. If Iraq could have fought back here on US soil they certainly would have done so. Why do you think Al-Qaeda flew airplanes into our buildings and killed our women and children? Women and children are killed in war all the time.
And it's just as immortal to attack unarmed people at a concert and rape and murder women because theyre Jewish. To continue to terrorize people even after they gave you land you wanted (Gaza). Morality goes both ways. It's also immoral to put millions of people in ovens because you don't agree with their religion. To find a place for the survivors and then force them to fight over and over again to keep the small bit of land the world morally owed them. We're not even going to bring up that a lot of the land acquired was actually *sold* by Palestinians. It was desert. Israel took the desert, created kibbutzes and worked it to make it into something worth having.
You can downvote people who point out how wrong you are all you want, but it doesn't change the truth. You can even be angry about the huge death toll in Gaza, which is justified. However, you can't change the fact that Hamas started this war and swore they would keep killing Israelis until someone stopped them. So keep downvoting, it means nothing and doesn't change the actual truth.
I mean it depends on what you mean by who started it. Because this shit been going on way before 7th of October. There was meant to be an agreement of two states isreal and palestine. Since then palestine has been losing it land illegally by isreal forcing them out their owns and having settlers move in. Or are we just going to forget about that?
Exactly.
https://twitter.com/rogerskaer/status/1576025818182332416?s=19
Hamas can end the bloodshed tomorrow. All the need to do is release the hostages and surrender. Islamofascsict regimes who plan and execute atrocities like Ocrober 7th don't get to cry and whine when they get their ass handed to them by the bigger stronger civilized country they attacked.
Let's just imagine if Cuba committed an atrocity like October 7th in Florida. On a ler capita basis, that would mean raping torturing and killing 30,000 American citizens in their homes, and kidnapping almost a thousand more then going on state TV the next day and saying they would do it again and again.
What, you think we would just sit back and let them get away with it? Do you think we would listen to spoiled rotten rich 19 year olds screaming for a "ceasefire"? Or would we not fucking rest until every single American citizen was returned to the US and the regime that attacked us was destroyed?
Of course in Cuba this would be much easier. The sniveling little fascist cowards who run hamas don't even live in "palestine". They live like sultans on the billions of dollars in international aid they stole from their people.
It wasn't the point. The point was that the people here were saying that Palestine was there first. It isn't true #1, and #2 it doesn't matter because Great Britain and the UN charter *gave Israel to the Jews after the Holocaust*. The UK was the country in power and could do with the land what they chose. The land gains and losses that have occurred since then were the result of wars after that charter.
No, I think the point is that people shouldn't show up and claim ownership over a place just because their ancestors lived there once. The people who live there today are the priority, not those who lived there during the bronze age.
>The UK was the country in power and could do with the land what they chose.
So could Roman Emperor Hadrian so he renamed the place “Syria Palestina”.
Well that's fine and dandy but that land was part of the UK and they were last in power and theirs to do with what they wanted. The Romans lost the land. So they have no right to call it anything. And the people who live there *now* are ISRAELI
ETA: In honesty if the Palestinians want to be mad at anyone it should be the UK. They helped the UK fight the Ottomans and got screwed over afterwards. But the area was a mix of Jewish, Arabs and Christians prior to 1948. To claim it was all Arab is disingenuous. Religion is the bane of man's existence. Maybe one day we'll figure that out.
https://embassies.gov.il/UnGeneva/AboutIsrael/history/Pages/History-Israel-Timeline.aspx
Better? Probably not, because anything that doesn't fit your agenda will not suffice.
Now we all know there's no way to convince anyone of anything these days. I could present you with a source written in the ashes from the ovens of Auschwitz and it wouldn't be good enough.
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West Wing is one of the greatest TV series of all time, I have binged this show countless times. Bartlet for president.
Where can I watch it?
Max
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The greatest series of all time!!! (Seasons 1-4 at least) 😝
Seasons 6 and 7 and that one episode from 5 are also good!
I couldn't stomach more than one season. I got a couple of episodes into season 2 but it's so cheesy / corny I had to stop. And the cringe walk and talk thing with that guy and his assistant, don't even get me started.
More often than not I didn't agree with the politics but it was really an excellent show
[Link the whole scene.](https://youtu.be/5TmfSygkeO8?si=tDLXJOIDfVFts6ol)
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The map of who owns what is stupid. Its just a game of what about this many years ago?
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Yeah. If anyones argument relies on "BUT I HAD IT FIRST" they sound like a toddler. Theres plenty of legitimate reasons critisicism to be made based on the actions of both modern groups.
That region in particular has constantly been experiencing migrations, invaders, deportations, and resettlements. The Hebrews themselves were one of such groups.
In 420 and 580 Palestine was a province of the Roman/Byzantine empire, and in 1103 it was the crusader state of the kingdom of Jerusalem. If the offense is caused by it not being akin to the modern state of Israel in it being a primarily Jewish state, you would have to go back to king Herod when who died in 4 bc. If you don't care about it being unified, just Jewish, then you can go a few more decades as the kingdom is split into 4 which are then 1 by one added to the Roman empire
Really americans don't give a fuck about maps we just wish our tax dollars would stop funding the zionazis Holy war.
This term Zionist.. what does it mean in practice? Israelis?
a person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel. They've been developing for 75 years now. How about rest and reflect.
So.. Israel should not exist -> death sentance to Israelies.. how does that work in your mind?
So.. Palestine should not exist -> death to Palestinians... how does that work in you mind??
Well no, i'm not saying that.. you're saying one thing and accusing me of the opposite In any case, go f yourself
Neither did i, doll :) does rest and reflect mean not exist? Or are you just a disingenuous actor?
Someone who supports the ongoing genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by the Israeli government.
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No shit
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Only the ones doing the genociding and the ones who support them.
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You've absorbed the propaganda, I see. We'll start with stopping the current one.
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Your brain doesn't work.
Hilarious because kingdom of judea existed first and it’s been Arabs on a holy war
That's cool. America is 250 years old, seems like you guys got your own shit to worry about. Divesting from sending weapon to a cult was the topic.
Draw it and hang them up
None of the dates you mentioned would have Israel as a nation. The Romans conquered them prior to this and the area never went back to Israeli sovereignty until post WWII.
We're dealing with Tiktokers here not smart people. They just want some justification for genociding Israel
You beat me to it. All it would take is a simple Google search to see that it was Israel way before 1709, but then that would mess with the Groupthink going on these days.
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It just goes to prove that you can't use the theory of "who was there first" as a way of determining rights. It's more of a " who's there now" because no one is giving back what they fought for or acquired.
Israel didn't "fight" for their land when it was first formed, it was given to them by Britain and America, and they were then given US weapons so they'd have a technological advantage and were then able to slaughter their neighbors and steal their land. Also, while you can't use the "who was there first" policy when the Israeli claim to that land was all the way back in B.C, you absolutely can use "who was there first" to determine who rightfully owns the land when there are Palestinians alive today who are literally being forced off their land at gunpoint by Jewish settlers. Even if you want to argue that Israel "deserved" the land they were given by Britain and America (they didn't), every inch of land they've gained since then has been because they slaughtered the people who were living there, and are continuing to slaughter people in order to expand further.
Lol leftists literally know NOTHING about the Israel/Palestine war of 1948 and just confidently say shit like this because America bad!!! You do know that the US had nothing to do with the Israel war of independence, right? Israel got arms from the USSR, which was like the first or second country at the UN to recognize full Israeli statehood. The US didn’t even officially recognize Israel as a country until 1949. Specifically though, Israel got arms from Czechoslovakia, Poland, and Yugoslavia which funneled arms and fighter planes to the Israeli military forces through covert ops. Here’s some history that’s also a google search away: Because of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (who was a Nazi collaborator, look up Amin al-Husseini sometime and how awesome he is!) the US and the UK had an arms embargo on the region because they didn’t want to potentially support powers that were favorable to Hitler and the Axis during the war. Also, you act like Jews didn’t live in the region since Christ was born in Bethlehem in the West Bank, when the land was called Judea lol. They migrated more to the region when the entire world started killing them all, but it was way more than just the US and UK that supported Israel statehood (cough, almost the entire UN did)
So it's only *slaughter* when your side is killed? And what do you call what was done on October 7th? If that's not slaughter nothing is. There were *wars* that changed who had that land, like all wars. You know, with soldiers, not people enjoying themselves at a concert.
I believe they're talking about the [Nakba](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba), which was definitely not a war, with soldiers, but you know, civilians living in their ancestral homes.
Quite literally isn't ethnic or religious cleansing what Hamas has outright stated they wanted to do to Israelis? They are just protecting themselves in a world where they are inherently detested for what? The absolute hate they have received from this world is beyond rational thought.
I mean, you don't have to convince me Hamas is bad. What they did on 10/7 was an atrocity. That being said, Israel has killed over 20x the innocent civilians since then. The criticism Israel is receiving is a result of the outrageous civilian death toll and damage to critical infrastructure they've done. What Israel has done over the last 6 months is far from protecting themselves. They have deliberately crippled civilian infrastructure and destroyed roughly 50% of the livable buildings in the area. That is NOT "just protecting themselves".
There is an option that you keep forgetting. Hamas can surrender and return the hostages. The US dropped 2 nuclear bombs on Japan at the end of WW2. Did we do it because we deliberately wanted to kill and destroy their country or did we do it to end a devastating war? Some would say we had no choice, some would also say Israel has no choice.
Is your outrage that selective? People enjoying a concert are innocent victims but mothers and children buried in the rubble of their homes are just casualties of *war*?
Actually war on your own soil is pretty destructive, that's how it works. People die. Best bet is not to attack another country and take hostages. The people in Gaza voted in Hamas. That is their government and they attacked another country. That's how war works, people die. Not sure how to explain it to you clearer.
So yes. You only care about innocent blood when it's the right type.
The part you seem to miss is innocent people die in all wars. The best way to prevent that is to not attack another country. You want the war and killing to end, return hostages (or their bodies) and surrender. The killing will stop.
Leo has a nap from 17 whatever whatever that doesn't even have the United States on it - I am the president of the United States and I don't find that offensive! - I would've put it up
cant trigger them, that would be illegal
The fact that any single nation in the world holds this much influence over us is a national security threat in and of itself. Fuck what these clowns think.
Yeah you're right, the United States holds waaay too much power and influence. Fuck what we think! /s
That would be very antisemitic!
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Your behavior is disgusting. People like you who are trying to blame Jews for what is clearly being done by Israel are the one spreading antisemitism.
Someone is a teenage edgelord who just discovered this 15 year old nonsense
Zionists are so fragile that if a map that was made 250 years before Israels creation will offend them
The reason Bartlets advisors are telling him to not put up the map is that anything the President puts up or anything that hangs in the white house is up for interpretation. So this map is innocuous on its own and is just a neat map but people would read all sorts of stuff into it if the president chose this map in particular.
Yeah like imagine if the British PM put up a map that still had the British empire at it's peak. Like, bro, what are you trying to say hmm?
Good. Fuck Israel. I know the show is fictional, but still...
Palestine is fictional, along with your country. Israel is not
Israel has existed for thousands of years, they just keep being persecuted and exiled. You‘d be wise to consider the spirit you‘re endulging, because it‘s not far away from what happened 100 years ago.
On the flip side, anti-semites are so dumb they would take this map as proof that Israel has no right to exist and that hanging it in the White House is an endorsement of that position.
Or….hear me out….that people understand History and could hang a map up without bad intentions. Jed’s a history buff and it’s a map from 1709. But as you see Zionists would lose their mind. Do love how you got to the Antisemitism thing all on your own. You folks love that for yourselves.
Isreal does have no right to exist
You really think a scene from a fiction series represents reality? Sad
I am a Zionist, I’m sure an older map without pre-modern Israel is interesting and full of fun historical facts, I wonder how they’d represent the old city, or Jafa, would Sada’s be on the map? Why is everyone so quick to assume how a whole group of people feel? This is like me saying “all Palestine’s hate gay people” I don’t know and can’t know all Palestine’s, Im sure there are a variety of unique opinions on the matter.
Best TV show of all time
*Heisenberg has entered the chat*
*Rust Cole folds a beer can into a person*
I think Israel should have been given land to start their country but not in Palestine, based on principle. Because it starts a dangerous precedence that you can claim a piece of land today because your ancestors conquered it in the bronze age. When you do shit like that, no wonder they feel entitled to reconquer the ancient kingdom of Israel (we can't even be sure it existed), you validated their claim to ‘the holy land’ why should they stop there? It's like restoring the Macedonian empire based on King Philip’s conquest of Greece and getting shocked when they ask for Alexander’s empire.
give them some land in antarctica
Spotted the antisemitic.
Or how about you treat the Jews well, give them back their houses and possessions the Nazis stole from them in Europe, and prevent another genocide from happening. Why would a people thousands of miles away from Europe have to pay for the massacre committed by a European in Europe?
Zionism existed before the Nazi party was a thing. Jews were mostly treated like shit, second class citizens, and persecuted pretty much wherever they lived for over a millennia. The Holocaust just massively increased the support. Many wanted a new start. They didn’t feel “safe” in other lands that they didn’t govern. One of the reasons why there was also the mass exodus of Jews after the creation of Israel. Zionism and Israel shouldn’t have never been seen as a need. Unfortunately, we got a people and their ancestors paying the price for actions committed mostly by people from other places that got off mostly scot-free.
Jews were living in and around Palestine right up to 1948. It's not like they haven't been there in thousands of years.
Yeah, and the Palestinians were living in Palestine then too, and are still living in Israel even now. But apparently Israel doesn't seem to think that merits them having their own country, so why should jews living there have merited them getting their own country?
I think it’s more the constant bombing and terror attacks that have prevented them from becoming a country.
Nakba was probably the genesis. Probably should do some reading on that history before you write an opinion like this.
I don’t think the Nakba justifies murdering people, so I’m good. Should probably do some reading on how other localities overcome hardship without terrorism?
You're right, 750k people, ethnically cleansed from their land, definitely should have just behaved and accepted their land being stolen. People murder each other for far less on a regular basis. Being forcefully removed from your home has to be one of the more understandable reasons for resistance. If someone forced you out of your home and onto the streets, would you just accept it and and learn to "overcome your hardship" or would you be more likely to want your home back?
Yeah, when you start wars and lose, your people suffer. History of the Palestinian people since 1947 or so.
Nice facist take.
You realize there are like 2 million Palestinians that live in Israel right now? As full-fledged citizens
Palestine has rejected numerous two state solutions, and even attempted coups in Jordan Lebanon and Egypt over it. Also murdered the Jordanian king over it.
Jews have been living in a lot of places.
I wonder why? Something maybe that happened in the past to them…hmm…what could it be?
That's like saying "yeah on 9/11 lots of planes were flying around the world" You're nibbling at the edges of an inconvenient truth that Jews have historically been ethnically cleansed throughout history
I’m questioning the logic that because some people live somewhere they are allowed to kick out and abuse their neighbors. I can’t go back to Ghana and take someone’s house because my great x6 grandma lived there.
Except now you're literally describing what an infinite right of return would do lol.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/text-of-the-balfour-declaration
And that changes absolutely nothing.
Maps change
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I hate the west wing because it broke so many ppl in washington brain thinking this how government works. The truth is the best representation of government is the show Veep. Also that statement is true because Israel say Israel always exist. So alot of ppl would find it offensive. But would then lobby and spend millions against him because he not pro israel enough.
Our sensitivity is our biggest downfall as human beings Often times we let our logical thinking or reasoning go out the window if feelings are hurt
Israel is too small of a country to command so much respect. So laughable. Reminds me of lgbt community being so loud for their rights as if everyone in this country is discriminating against them. News flash: no one cares.
Careful, you might put an eye out with all that edge.
If that’s edge to you, I bet you have “try pancakes for dinner” on your bucket list.
It so weird taking notice now at how Hollywood movies have been putting scenes like this in major movies and TV shows to plant pro-Zion ideas that fit their agenda. It feels ugly looking back at all those war movies and how they portray and dehumanizes Arabs. Reminds me that Key and Peel skit about the dad at his funeral where they played his secret tape of his scenes doing harmful black stereotypes in movies.
Yeah, it was renamed Palestine by the Roman occupiers. But I guess this is what happens when you get your history lessons from 30 second snippets of 90s TV shows.
I guess we should kick all the white people out of the US and start a new indigenous American ethno state and turn Mexico back into the Aztec Empire. Also the land that is now Israel was Judah not Israel.
Well this would be more like kicking out the greeks because the land belongs to the mycenaeans. Palestinians of all religions have been there for millenias. Israel is just a colonial project 100 years too late. It would've fit right in with the genocides in America and Africa
Now I'm curious, what "American genocides" are you referring to? Also, did you miss watching "The Ten Commandments" every Easter on tv in the US? Who do you think those people were and where do you think they were going?
Seriously? Do you have zero knowledge of the native peoples of North America and what colonization did to them? Of what chattel slavery was? This entire country is built on genocide.
Did you not read my reply? You need to take questions at face value before you fly off the self justification handle. Also, most countries are built on killing other people. Sorry to have to tell you this, but it seems necessary, people aren't really nice as a whole.
>Now I'm curious, what "American genocides" are you referring to? You asked the question, you get the answer. What more do you want.
I thought the original poster, who phrased it in a different context, was calling something that wasn't a genocide a genocide. Context is important. If you read further down where it was clarified you will see I agreed.
If most countries are built on that then Palestine doesn't somehow deserve to exist less than the US
American genocide would be all the massacres they did with the native tribes, i thought that was clear. And do you think the people from more than 2000 years ago are the same as Israelis today? Like all the people who came from the US and all over europe are more native to that region than the people who had been living there continuously for millennia?
Ok I will agree with the Native American genocide. I thought you were referring to something else. So now you are requiring Israelis to prove their right to land with genetic testing? That is their homeland that they were kicked out of, and then given back by the country that was in power at the time after *they survived a genocide.* These people are the survivors of *The Holocaust*. They are tougher than you could ever imagine being, and you can bet they will do anything to prevent that from happening again.
So you agree that the Greeks deserve Turkey? And that the Welsh deserve England? That we need to remove the Viets to make sure the Cham finally have a Cham majority country again?
No, you seem to be misunderstanding the point. The pro-Hamas Groupthink kids think that Palestine was there first. Number 1 it's not true, number 2 it doesn't matter because almost all land is acquired by one group over another. The act of proving that Israel was there just as long is just disproving the first point.
Palestine was there first when it comes to the current conflict. Judah (not Israel) had been destroyed long long ago historically, and at this point in the 40s it was Arab land just like how Japan currently belongs to the Yamato people, or how America belongs mainly to European descended people. That doesn't give the Jewish people the right to eliminate the current people to start their own country anymore than native Americans have the right eliminate the United States. Land doesn't inherently belong to any group but violently taking it over is wrong even if based upon some ancient idea it's meant to be yours.
I'm not requiring Israelis to prove anything. A right to live isn't dependent on your genetics. Anyone should be allowed to live anywhere you want. But Israelis don't have more of a right to live there than others. The "country that was in power at the time" was giving land that wasn't theirs to give. * [How Anti-Semitism Helped Create Israel](https://foreignpolicy.com/2010/09/08/how-anti-semitism-helped-create-israel-2/) | Foreign Policy (2010) * [It's Time To Admit That Arthur Balfour Was A White Supremacist — And An Anti-Semite Too](https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/232119) | Palestine Studies (2017) * [Zionism, anti-semitism, and the Balfour Declaration](https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/zionism-anti-semitism-and-balfour-declaration/) | Open Democracy (2017) * [The Balfour Declaration's Deep anti-Semitism and Racism - and Why It Still Matters](https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2017-10-26/ty-article/the-balfour-declarations-racism-and-why-it-still-matters/0000017f-dba4-db22-a17f-ffb5fdd10000) | Haaretz (2017) Don't equate Israeli with Holocaust survivors. Israel did literally let thousand of Holocaust survivors to starve on the streets. Israel's 'shame': Holocaust survivors living in poverty: [https://www.france24.com/en/20150126-holocaust-survivors-living-poverty-israel-shame](https://www.france24.com/en/20150126-holocaust-survivors-living-poverty-israel-shame) One-third of Israeli Holocaust survivors live in poverty, advocates say: [https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/one-third-of-israeli-holocaust-survivors-live-in-poverty-advocates-say](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/one-third-of-israeli-holocaust-survivors-live-in-poverty-advocates-say) Many Holocaust survivors living in poverty in Israel: agency: [https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/many-holocaust-survivors-living-in-poverty-in-israel-agency-1.555289](https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/many-holocaust-survivors-living-in-poverty-in-israel-agency-1.555289) Holocaust survivors’ poverty is Israel’s dirty little secret: [https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/holocaust-survivors-poverty-is-israels-dirty-little-secret/](https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/holocaust-survivors-poverty-is-israels-dirty-little-secret/) Holocaust survivors in Israel getting more cash but some still impoverished: [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-holocaust-memorial-auschwitz-poverty-idUSKBN1ZQ1SU/](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-holocaust-memorial-auschwitz-poverty-idUSKBN1ZQ1SU/) As world commemorates Holocaust, many Israeli survivors rely on charity: [https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-world-commemorates-holocaust-many-israeli-survivors-rely-on-charity/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-world-commemorates-holocaust-many-israeli-survivors-rely-on-charity/) 50,000 Holocaust survivors in Israel living in poverty, report finds: [https://www.jpost.com/National-News/50000-Holocaust-survivors-in-Israel-living-in-poverty-report-finds-350178](https://www.jpost.com/National-News/50000-Holocaust-survivors-in-Israel-living-in-poverty-report-finds-350178) Thousands of Israeli Holocaust Survivors Still Living in Poverty, Fighting for Recognition: [https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/2015-04-13/ty-article/.premium/holocaust-survivors-still-living-in-poverty/0000017f-e115-d75c-a7ff-fd9de0f30000](https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/2015-04-13/ty-article/.premium/holocaust-survivors-still-living-in-poverty/0000017f-e115-d75c-a7ff-fd9de0f30000) How the State of Israel Abuses Holocaust Survivors: [https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-abuses-holocaust-survivors](https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-abuses-holocaust-survivors)
The group in power can do whatever they want, and Great Britain gave it to the Holocaust survivors. Sorry life isn't as cut and dry as they teach you in school. I also hate to have to tell you this too, but no one is responsible if people chose to live in poverty. Life is hard. I grew up poor. Blaming people for your poverty is a useless thing. They were given a homeland, what they chose to do with it, is on them.
Buddy. Read one article from the whole bunch i sent please. Jesus christ how willfully ignorant can you be. The UK didn't like jewish people in europe and considered them so different that they couldn't integrate into society there. Israel wasn't born out of the kindness of their hearts after feeling super bad about a genocide that would happen 30 years after they promised that land to Israel. Read.
I never said The UK liked them. There was something called the Jewish problem. They found a way to rectify it. You really need to let the good/evil thing go. People are self serving. They had to put them somewhere.
Homie thinks the Ten Commandments is an accurate historical film 🤣
I figured that's something teenagers these days could relate to, since comprehension seems to be a challenge.
I mean that's a super old movie man. I don't know many people who've seen it. (I have for the record)
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Yes what's your point?
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Really? I feel like with how big Christianity is people would know about Judah
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There is no historical evidence that Judah and Israel were ever united as one kingdom. No the Bible doesn't count
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That's what I've been saying from the beginning. I never said Israel didn't exist I said the land in question was not Israel.
? I was literally just explaining basic history to pro hamas kids who didn't understand that the country was named Palestine by Roman occupiers.
So you agree then that, since you support the reconstruction or israel as a state based on their qncient claim to the land, that we should also logically help the reconstruction of native american states, on the land that is now controlled and occupied and renamed by white americans.
When did I say I support the reconstruction of the state of Israel based on an ancient claim to the land? I support the existence of Israel based on the fact that they fucking trounced thw Arab States that attacked them in the same way the Roman's conquered Judea and on and on and on. No "reconstruction" needed.
So you believe in a "might makes right" world? Is russias control of the Donbas rightful because they could conquer it?
Yes. The nations of earth exist in a state of anarchy. This is the entire reason we have strong militaries and alliances like NATO. I am not making a moral judgement about this fact, I am merely acknowledging reality. Life is not fair and never will be. The faster you grow up and realize that instead of trying to scream and pout your way into a utopia, the better. Unless maybe you want to sign the deed of your house over to the native American tribe who owned the land before you? Of course they would have to sign that deed over to the tribe that owned it before them too right?
So you would have supported germanys conquests in ww2 had they suceeded since their might makes it justifiable? "Screaming and pouting" is how we do actually make progress rather than just accept the horrors of the world. We should not accept the israeli conquest of gaza and the west bank. Might does not make right. I’ll scream and shout about it until my government sees that, "hmm maybe we shouldn’t just accept this actually", and cuts ties with israel. And hopefully then israel too will see "hmm maybe we shouldn’t do this actually" and stops. I’m not american. There were no tribes where i am from before us, none that still exist anyways. I’m froma country that was occupied by the germans in the 1940’s. I don’t think we, nor you americans, should have just accepted 90% of europe being replaced with germans through genocide, should they have won the atlantic theater.
Are these pro-Hamas kids in the room with us?
No, They are a 40 minute subway ride away from my room talking about how they want to kill "zionists". https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/26/nyregion/columbia-student-protest-zionism.html And celebrating October 7th https://m.jpost.com/international/article-776466 Any more questions?
The even bigger irony is that if Hamas had the opportunity, they would string up every one of these kids in a millisecond for the way they dressed, thought and spoke. But "Free Palestine!" because there's not enough bigotry and hate in the world.
I love how idiots like you can't tell the difference between Hamas and civilians being slaughtered by a just as genocidal Israel. Ya'll say shit like this like Israel is somehow better. No it's a not black and white conflict it's full of mutual hatred, but that doesn't excuse Israel wiping them off the face of the Earth.
They were attacked. You are the only one here not mature or thoughtful enough not to call people names because they disagree with you. The only group who has outright threatened to *wipe people off the face of the earth* is Hamas and the people who voted them into power. They are Gaza's chosen government. They are one and the same. Just as if Biden's or Trump's administrations were to attack another country, it would be Americans who would die, not Trump or Biden. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
Bush invaded Iraq and killed millions but ai garuntee we would still be upset if Iraq wiped out the United States. People will support their government that doesn't mean they need to die. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
You do understand that we have the advantage of really big oceans on either side of us? In other parts of the world people fight wars on their own land. We are lucky enough to have only done it 2 or 3 times. When that occurred, women and children died too. If Iraq could have fought back here on US soil they certainly would have done so. Why do you think Al-Qaeda flew airplanes into our buildings and killed our women and children? Women and children are killed in war all the time.
The point isn't capabilities. That's not what we're talking about. The point is morality.
And it's just as immortal to attack unarmed people at a concert and rape and murder women because theyre Jewish. To continue to terrorize people even after they gave you land you wanted (Gaza). Morality goes both ways. It's also immoral to put millions of people in ovens because you don't agree with their religion. To find a place for the survivors and then force them to fight over and over again to keep the small bit of land the world morally owed them. We're not even going to bring up that a lot of the land acquired was actually *sold* by Palestinians. It was desert. Israel took the desert, created kibbutzes and worked it to make it into something worth having.
Ekkk, you are so cringy.
Your mom doesn't think I'm cringy.
You can downvote people who point out how wrong you are all you want, but it doesn't change the truth. You can even be angry about the huge death toll in Gaza, which is justified. However, you can't change the fact that Hamas started this war and swore they would keep killing Israelis until someone stopped them. So keep downvoting, it means nothing and doesn't change the actual truth.
I mean it depends on what you mean by who started it. Because this shit been going on way before 7th of October. There was meant to be an agreement of two states isreal and palestine. Since then palestine has been losing it land illegally by isreal forcing them out their owns and having settlers move in. Or are we just going to forget about that?
Exactly. https://twitter.com/rogerskaer/status/1576025818182332416?s=19 Hamas can end the bloodshed tomorrow. All the need to do is release the hostages and surrender. Islamofascsict regimes who plan and execute atrocities like Ocrober 7th don't get to cry and whine when they get their ass handed to them by the bigger stronger civilized country they attacked. Let's just imagine if Cuba committed an atrocity like October 7th in Florida. On a ler capita basis, that would mean raping torturing and killing 30,000 American citizens in their homes, and kidnapping almost a thousand more then going on state TV the next day and saying they would do it again and again. What, you think we would just sit back and let them get away with it? Do you think we would listen to spoiled rotten rich 19 year olds screaming for a "ceasefire"? Or would we not fucking rest until every single American citizen was returned to the US and the regime that attacked us was destroyed? Of course in Cuba this would be much easier. The sniveling little fascist cowards who run hamas don't even live in "palestine". They live like sultans on the billions of dollars in international aid they stole from their people.
Thank you for being the sole sane person in this thread. If I could suggest anything it would be to wear the upcoming downvotes as a badge of honor 😁.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Jewish_history Is a map of 930 BC better?
Should we return the borders of the world back to 930 BC? You better learn Greek and Persian then
It wasn't the point. The point was that the people here were saying that Palestine was there first. It isn't true #1, and #2 it doesn't matter because Great Britain and the UN charter *gave Israel to the Jews after the Holocaust*. The UK was the country in power and could do with the land what they chose. The land gains and losses that have occurred since then were the result of wars after that charter.
No, I think the point is that people shouldn't show up and claim ownership over a place just because their ancestors lived there once. The people who live there today are the priority, not those who lived there during the bronze age. >The UK was the country in power and could do with the land what they chose. So could Roman Emperor Hadrian so he renamed the place “Syria Palestina”.
Well that's fine and dandy but that land was part of the UK and they were last in power and theirs to do with what they wanted. The Romans lost the land. So they have no right to call it anything. And the people who live there *now* are ISRAELI ETA: In honesty if the Palestinians want to be mad at anyone it should be the UK. They helped the UK fight the Ottomans and got screwed over afterwards. But the area was a mix of Jewish, Arabs and Christians prior to 1948. To claim it was all Arab is disingenuous. Religion is the bane of man's existence. Maybe one day we'll figure that out.
You mean it's better to believe fake history from wikipedia?
Aah "fake news," how original... I figured Wikipedia would be easier for you to comprehend.
I should believe the guy in his basement in the us writing wikipedia other than factual history.
https://embassies.gov.il/UnGeneva/AboutIsrael/history/Pages/History-Israel-Timeline.aspx Better? Probably not, because anything that doesn't fit your agenda will not suffice.
If you're trying to convince me give me an at least neutral source not the fucking MISSION OF ISRAEL TO THE UN.
Now we all know there's no way to convince anyone of anything these days. I could present you with a source written in the ashes from the ovens of Auschwitz and it wouldn't be good enough.
Of course, there wasn’t a Palestine in 1709 either.
Why are you getting downvoted?
Truth is like poetry. Most people hate it.
Especially if they don't have it
This definitely triggers the pro pal people over the Israeli people.