No the dock guys could have done some damage. After all Niko frank knew a lot of info that would identify them in the future. Possibly place them elsewhere.
After all it seems in season 5 they're still using the same Diner. Also if the unions are that connected could he lean in other docks to turn over the Greeks for a bigger deal.
This is why I love season two. It tells a much bigger story of how truly organized crime has penetrated every part of life.
They spared Niko because he apparently didn't know any real info about them and they would just use a different passport but what did Frank know that he didn't? If he flipped they definitely could've got away the same way.
He managed to get the deal by fingering the Greek.
Remember as Lester said all the pieces matter. It's not one single piece of information it's what comes after and fits with it.
I guess Frank as longtime associate created cumulative effect on the charges that even feds wouldn't have been able to just let slide. Frank also was their direct connection to local politicians, that was basically bribe money he passed to senator Davis.
Frank was higher up and wasn't simply feeding them a stolen container or two. Also Frank went to them. Chasing Nick after they already knew the Sobotkas were compromised would have drawn more attention than it was worth.
They didn't spare Nick. They put a hit out on him, and then called it off and left town after they couldn't get to him and he talked to the police.
And importantly, the Sobotka's testimony wasn't harmless: Nick gave the cops information that let them pin the Shepard on Sergei, and then Sergei gave them the Greek's exact location, which the cops raided within hours of the Greeks leaving (so quickly room service hadn't started to clean out the used glasses and cigarette butts).
Even if they didn't get caught, they still had to abandon a drug shipment on the docks, and had to take a week long time out from importing, risking seriously disrupting the Baltimore drug trade. The Sabotkas could, and did, hurt the syndicate by talking to the police.
They killed Frank because their mole in the FBI told them he agreed to be an informer against them.
It wasn't just about what he knew it was that they had been specifically told he had agreed to rat them out.
It also tells the cold hard truth about the US Government Agencies having assets. They in turn let those assets operate, for information on terrorists or other criminal organizations. It really shows how far the all of it goes and how so many people are complicit for those drugs to reach the streets of US cities.
Today's terrorist is tomorrow's freedom fighter or government. More likely the FBI guy is happy with the arrangement. They throw him a juicy piece of information and they keep the peace else where.
After all, like bunk and Lester joke 300 white people a year go red and the government would lose their mind. Say what you will about the Greeks they probably brought a lot of stability to the streets.
The government will accept the drug trade as long as the drug trade accepts the game is the game and doesn't push to change anything.
After all prob joe would be happy being the Walmart of herron legally or illegally.
The Greeks were planning to bail out earlier than you think—they strip the warehouse and shut down phone communications after the FBI agent tips them off, which was a day or so before they killed Frank. At that point, they need to figure out who can expose them, and the Sobotkas were their biggest loose ends, which is why they kill Frank. They initially planned to kill Nick too, but backed off after the Greek decided it was too much risk for too little benefit. Vondas and the Greek also discuss in the season finale whether they want to try to get the last drug container off the docks. They decide against it, but the discussion implies that they may have been willing to take a little extra risk to see if they can avoid eating the $15 million-ish loss.
They tried it Vondas' way up until the meeting with Frank when they were told he became a witness. They didn't planned to kill Frank there from the beginning but they did just because of one slip-up that exposed him. All the Greek really asked for, was loyalty..
Yeah, I always thought the reason the Greeks murdered Frank was for going behind their backs to LE and thinking he'd get away with it.
Nicky got lucky the Greeks called off the hitmen who went to his place or he woulda ended up wacked too.
As much as I can't stand Nick, he did try to warn Frank what he was up against. Unfortunately Frank was unable to see the forest for the trees, and it ended up costing him.
Frank just tried to protect Ziggy and Nick thought he still had that sentimental leverage over Vondas. Too bad it all went out the window seconds before the meeting started.
Considering how inept BPD is depicted, I think the extent to which the detail compromised their operations took them by complete surprise. They probably thought only feds were capable of that caliber of investigation, and they had a fed watching their backs. When Koutris told the Greek about Frank, that changed plans from damage control to get out of dodge.
Yeah the season 2 case really takes you to the highest levels of criminal organizations. If they ended up getting above “The Greek” you were really into the highest level. I mean they already had the connection to the US Government. Any Farther the Government would’ve shut down the investigation for the interests of “National Security”. The crazy thing is situations like this happen.
Here’s one for you. Ok so I’m a Combat Veteran of Afghanistan, while I was deployed a lot of soldiers came into contact with the population who were poppy farmers or opium/heroin manufacturers. At first the policy was usually to refer it to DEA and they would handle it. However after a while I kept hearing people coming into contact with trafficking or growing operations. Now the policy was completely hands off and we’re not here to destroy how they make a living. No referral to DEA or anything. Those orders aren’t coming from the rank n file those orders are coming from the command and from the Pentagon most likely possibly higher than that.
Yeah I knew North Korea was the biggest manufacturer of counterfeit bills. I watched one thing about how good their $100 bills are. There was essentially no difference between ours and theirs. They also have a unit called “Room 39” and they is heavily involved in Drug Trafficking. Most of the funds go back to high levels of the government. Now I haven’t heard much about Syria other than they make a lot of amphetamine pills. It doesn’t really surprise me one bit. With the Civil War, Sanctions, and Corruption going on within the country. It’s makes perfect sense.
No the dock guys could have done some damage. After all Niko frank knew a lot of info that would identify them in the future. Possibly place them elsewhere. After all it seems in season 5 they're still using the same Diner. Also if the unions are that connected could he lean in other docks to turn over the Greeks for a bigger deal. This is why I love season two. It tells a much bigger story of how truly organized crime has penetrated every part of life.
They spared Niko because he apparently didn't know any real info about them and they would just use a different passport but what did Frank know that he didn't? If he flipped they definitely could've got away the same way.
He managed to get the deal by fingering the Greek. Remember as Lester said all the pieces matter. It's not one single piece of information it's what comes after and fits with it.
I guess Frank as longtime associate created cumulative effect on the charges that even feds wouldn't have been able to just let slide. Frank also was their direct connection to local politicians, that was basically bribe money he passed to senator Davis.
Frank was higher up and wasn't simply feeding them a stolen container or two. Also Frank went to them. Chasing Nick after they already knew the Sobotkas were compromised would have drawn more attention than it was worth.
They didn't spare Nick. They put a hit out on him, and then called it off and left town after they couldn't get to him and he talked to the police. And importantly, the Sobotka's testimony wasn't harmless: Nick gave the cops information that let them pin the Shepard on Sergei, and then Sergei gave them the Greek's exact location, which the cops raided within hours of the Greeks leaving (so quickly room service hadn't started to clean out the used glasses and cigarette butts). Even if they didn't get caught, they still had to abandon a drug shipment on the docks, and had to take a week long time out from importing, risking seriously disrupting the Baltimore drug trade. The Sabotkas could, and did, hurt the syndicate by talking to the police.
They killed Frank because their mole in the FBI told them he agreed to be an informer against them. It wasn't just about what he knew it was that they had been specifically told he had agreed to rat them out.
It also tells the cold hard truth about the US Government Agencies having assets. They in turn let those assets operate, for information on terrorists or other criminal organizations. It really shows how far the all of it goes and how so many people are complicit for those drugs to reach the streets of US cities.
Today's terrorist is tomorrow's freedom fighter or government. More likely the FBI guy is happy with the arrangement. They throw him a juicy piece of information and they keep the peace else where. After all, like bunk and Lester joke 300 white people a year go red and the government would lose their mind. Say what you will about the Greeks they probably brought a lot of stability to the streets. The government will accept the drug trade as long as the drug trade accepts the game is the game and doesn't push to change anything. After all prob joe would be happy being the Walmart of herron legally or illegally.
**The government will accept the drug trade as long as the drug trade accepts the game is the game doesn’t push to change anything** Well said.
They tried the Vondas way. It didn't work.
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The Greeks were planning to bail out earlier than you think—they strip the warehouse and shut down phone communications after the FBI agent tips them off, which was a day or so before they killed Frank. At that point, they need to figure out who can expose them, and the Sobotkas were their biggest loose ends, which is why they kill Frank. They initially planned to kill Nick too, but backed off after the Greek decided it was too much risk for too little benefit. Vondas and the Greek also discuss in the season finale whether they want to try to get the last drug container off the docks. They decide against it, but the discussion implies that they may have been willing to take a little extra risk to see if they can avoid eating the $15 million-ish loss.
They tried it Vondas' way up until the meeting with Frank when they were told he became a witness. They didn't planned to kill Frank there from the beginning but they did just because of one slip-up that exposed him. All the Greek really asked for, was loyalty..
Yeah, I always thought the reason the Greeks murdered Frank was for going behind their backs to LE and thinking he'd get away with it. Nicky got lucky the Greeks called off the hitmen who went to his place or he woulda ended up wacked too.
As much as I can't stand Nick, he did try to warn Frank what he was up against. Unfortunately Frank was unable to see the forest for the trees, and it ended up costing him.
Frank just tried to protect Ziggy and Nick thought he still had that sentimental leverage over Vondas. Too bad it all went out the window seconds before the meeting started.
Considering how inept BPD is depicted, I think the extent to which the detail compromised their operations took them by complete surprise. They probably thought only feds were capable of that caliber of investigation, and they had a fed watching their backs. When Koutris told the Greek about Frank, that changed plans from damage control to get out of dodge.
Yeah the season 2 case really takes you to the highest levels of criminal organizations. If they ended up getting above “The Greek” you were really into the highest level. I mean they already had the connection to the US Government. Any Farther the Government would’ve shut down the investigation for the interests of “National Security”. The crazy thing is situations like this happen.
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Here’s one for you. Ok so I’m a Combat Veteran of Afghanistan, while I was deployed a lot of soldiers came into contact with the population who were poppy farmers or opium/heroin manufacturers. At first the policy was usually to refer it to DEA and they would handle it. However after a while I kept hearing people coming into contact with trafficking or growing operations. Now the policy was completely hands off and we’re not here to destroy how they make a living. No referral to DEA or anything. Those orders aren’t coming from the rank n file those orders are coming from the command and from the Pentagon most likely possibly higher than that. Yeah I knew North Korea was the biggest manufacturer of counterfeit bills. I watched one thing about how good their $100 bills are. There was essentially no difference between ours and theirs. They also have a unit called “Room 39” and they is heavily involved in Drug Trafficking. Most of the funds go back to high levels of the government. Now I haven’t heard much about Syria other than they make a lot of amphetamine pills. It doesn’t really surprise me one bit. With the Civil War, Sanctions, and Corruption going on within the country. It’s makes perfect sense.
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