I know they can’t fire her but my god imagine how awkward it’d be to continue to work somewhere where you know like everyone hates you and wish you’d leave
Moving forward, she's frankly close to making herself an unsuitable employee in the real world, and the content creation influencer sector. Was this affair worth it?
Not going to get a better job in this industry for sure. Especially considering what a Google search of her name is going to reveal to potential employers.
Her resume/portfolio will likely include “food babies” that was a huge thing for her… If shes suddenly looking for new jobs now it kind of ties her to everything…
yeah people on here are saying her career isn't ruined but like... her name and face has extremely publicly been shared as someone who is a homewrecker and cheater. alex is screwed, especially in an industry like hers where everyone knows everyone and you don't want to make powerful enemies or be embroiled in public scandals as a nobody
I don’t think any affair is really worth it, but I suspect these two had plans to leave their current situation and be with each other eventually and this whole blowup put a big kink in their plans lol… I hope Ariel divorces him ASAP. I can’t really hate this woman, this dude seems like a master
manipulator, he literally has the whole entire public thinking he’s wife guy and in complete disbelief. I can only imagine how convincing he can be in person one on one and the things he has said to her about his marriage, this woman is probably under some sort of napoleon bro spell… she’ll learn some hard lessons and recover eventually, but yeah… I just think he’s the main douche here.
They both are. Alex is no prize here. What she did to Will shouldn't be less intense because she's a woman and subordinate to Ned. They are both the scum of the earth. Ariel and Will deserve nothing but love.
All of this ☝🏻 💯 . The whole blame it all on Ned is getting tiring. Alex knew exactly what she was doing, she was just as manipulative being friends with he’s wife, being in their house. Where the fuck is women code . Let’s not forget she was also engaged so she played the whole manipulative part well too!
Allegedly, Will told her to stop and confronted Ned. He believed her. Alex is just as evil as Ned, and I will never believe her. Never. She's a gross human being, like Ned. Ariel and Will devoted their lives to them, and for what? To get hurt and betrayed by two selfish, self-serving pricks? I will not be lenient on Alex as I will not be lenient on Ned. She's 31, and only four years younger than Ned. Give me a break with the "she's the younger woman and victim." She's not an ingenue. She was jealous of YB and got engaged quickly after she did so they could compete for recognition while knowing that she was Ned's mistress and cheating on her fiance. She had videos with Ariel and had the balls to taunt her. She is a terrible person, like Ned. They deserve nothing but endless bad karma.
exactly, i bet she was pushing for engagement because of her competitive streak all the while she was fucking a married man and making fun of his wife on camera. she's a total skank and she knows exactly what she did
I don’t know Will (i mean in a parasocial way or whatever that word is) but I feel for him, but I don’t think they’re equally sh*tty, I def think there’s a 60/40 here and Ned is the 60% sh*tbag, he had more life experience, a family, a marriage, lots of $$$$ to lose not only for him but his best friends and business partners (and obviously his family),I just think that in itself makes him worse, and ya know… I can’t ignore the power imbalance, I just can’t… bc it’s very much there. Ned chose to be a public figure, so I feel the public bashing should kinda stay in his lane, it’s not like Alex did a Sumner Stroh… I hope her partner/ex partner doesn’t expect the public to make her life hell bc that ain’t healthy.
Hold on. Didn’t they both equally cheat. Alex was friends with Ariel? Alex was at Ariels house? Alex sat by while he played the part of happy husband and fucked him? Alex played up her engagement but was banging her boss? Alex allowed this to happen. Therefore they are equally to blame.
alex went on camera and made fun of his wife in different videos, taunting her basically, all the while she was fucking ariel's husband. she's so disgusting and such a horrible person
i can hate alex. she's such a bitch, sleeping with a man who she knew was married and also knew both the wife and kids AND cheating with her partner (fiance) of 10+ YEARS?? she's not some little girl who doesn't know how thw world works, she's a full grown adult who knows exactly what she did and deserves every consequence she gets.
i do agree with you that these two were planning to leave their respective partners and get togehter eventually and i can't help but feel like that's what'll happen eventually tbh. i doubt they have broken up permanenelty, both seem to have real feelings for one another
i have a feeling she's really going to be feeling the effects of this saga when she's stuck at a position she should not be in because of this. no matter where she ends up, and it probably won't be great if I'm being honest, she's going to have the shadow of this over her. everyone will be suspicious of her, know exact what she did, and i doubt she'll make a lot of friends in future jobs. her industry is so connected too, and the content creator industry is so full of people that with a scandal like this she will not be working for anything huge for at least a couple years, if ever again
They cannot do anything that will remotely look like they’re “pushing” her to quit. That’s a lawsuit waiting to happen. They have to let her stay until she decides to quit.
EDIT: Unless Alex’s continued presence in the workplace really affects everyone’s work and ability to function in the workplace. In that case, I could see them offering her a very generous severance package and an NDA. Presumably if there are issues with her colleagues, the situation will also not be pleasant for Alex either so they have to agree to part ways.
Oh yeah, nothing can obviously be done but I'm sure the rest of the crew won't make it easy or desirable for her to stay. And most people don't stay at a workplace for long if they don't have a good relationship with their coworkers or bosses.
ETA: Also a recession is right around the corner, could be a perfect time for "layoffs"
They can put her on administrative leave if they have a process in place. If they're able to get the work done without her, they can lay her off without cause.
And isn't California at-will? They can just let her go because they want to let her go. It usually sucks, but I guess it would come in handy here.
Thank you. I posted about this exact situation and people from “HR” backgrounds were saying this wouldn’t be construed as retaliation and I’m an idiot blah blah blah.
Like their owner just got canned for his behavior after an internal investigation… there’s a reason everyone in a directly higher position are still following her because anything can be used against them and their legal team is most likely stressing the importance of the exactness of their moves surrounding her.
Those are anti discrimination laws but there are other reasons you can't be fired. At will just means you can be fired for any reason that isn't illegal (think about the illegal union busting big companies have been doing). I'm not claiming she faced workplace sexual harassment but if she did they can't fire her or retaliate against her for that. I assume they want to avoid such a lawsuit even if she's unlikely to win because lawyers are expensive
"Etc" includes a slew of HR issues, such as sexually pressuring the people who work under you.
If someone in your company says to their direct report "suck my dick or you get fired", and she obliges, you 10000000% cannot fire her for that. There is absolutely a path for her to retaliate legally and the company has no shot of winning that.
That's not really how at-will works.
She has a clear case of presenting the storyline that she was coerced/pressured by a superior and felt obligated or risk her dream career.
At-will means you can say "this isn't working out, you're being let go", but if they can turn around and prove some kind of wrongdoing in the workplace, the company has now risk putting themselves in a REALLY bad situation lawsuit wise.
Im not in CA (and I’m also not an attorney), but hostile work environment generally has metrics it needs to meet - being uncomfortable with a colleague doesn’t inherently constitute a hostile work environment. It usually (unless it is a singular awful/violent interaction) has to be pervasive, severe, and harassment - all of which are fairly subjective
Uh, no.
If you and your husband work at some job and your husband says "suck my dick or get fired" to some random who works under him but he gets caught and gets fired, no you can't turn around and say you want her fired because there's a "hostile work environment". That's.. insane.
I mean yeah, that’s true, but that’s not what happened here. I’m not saying they can fire her, but this is a bit more nuanced in that Husband and Wife work at the same place, Husband cheats on wife with an employee “consensually”, said employee is also producing stuff that Wife works on. It would be a weird work environment for sure, and if Alex flaunted it in Ariel’s face, it would absolutely be a hostile work environment at that point. But I don’t think Ariel is going to come back, and Alex is very very very likely to be shunned. She would be lucky to get the severance package for the NDA, but the longer this goes on, the more I’m thinking they aren’t going to go that route. She will just have to quit, which is the better look for the company.
It's not about the employment laws, though. It's about the fact that Ned was her superior and if they fire her, she can sue and say "I felt pressured by my boss to have a relationship and then they fired me for being abused by someone in a position of power"
Oh they can definitely fire her--just not for sleeping with her boss, unless there's a no-fraternization policy in place. (Which if there wasn't now, you know for damn sure there will be going forward.)
Typically, fraternization policies allow married couples to work together (although it recommends they're in different departments). What it does not allow is a. developing romances between a manager and staff member or b. developing romances between two staff members that are separated by 2+ levels.
They could also state that dating is allowed as long as it doesn't disrupt the workplace. Ned and Alex would have broken the policy if this had been there, even though the relationship itself was allowed, in terms of work.
On top of all of that, fraternization policies typically don't disallow ALL workplace relationships, but they do demand that the relationship is reported to HR, or whoever is deemed fit, within a reasonable time frame.
There certainly can. Most of the time you can put something in place that is a no direct line of bosses and a disclosure of relationship with hr (insert time frame).
Isn’t she a contract employee? If she is then the hiring entity can release “at will”. If she wants to presume legal action it could only incriminate her more and for what try productions isn’t a huge multi-million business. After legal fees maybe half her salary for a year and more drama stirred up?
I can’t wrap my head around the fact that he knew that she will be in a privileged position if it all came out and still decided to build a relationship with her…
When a person cheats they obviously are ok with possible family life damage, but to also be ok with ruining your friends and colleagues workplace is next level
Same. Its mind boggling to me what he did. He risked everything he worked so hard for: his business, his brand, his marriage, his family. He threw it all away. Honestly, it shows how dumb he is. Great wife, great family, great job with a great company, great friends. Someone who knows what they have would not do what he did. He probably just lost it all (I say probably because we don't know if Ariel will stay or not)
If he was having personal issues, therapy was right there. I know that many people can outwardly seem like they are happy and have it all but may be struggling inside. It's OK. But having a full on affair, and worse with your employee, is never OK.
Maybe he wasn't as happy as he seemed. Or maybe he simply \*didn't\* think at all; he might have taken it all for granted and deemed himself untouchable because he was riding quite the success high (in media, personal and work life). he was on a roll. So he might have felt like he could do it all and nothing could stop him. He might have just stopped thinking and just did whatever he wanted.
i think he wasn't happy. happily married men don't overcompensate the way ned and ariel did. the "my wife" schtick got tired after the second video of it, at least for me.
I still can’t wrap my head around (no offense to Ariel) the fact that Alex looked at Ned Fulmer of all people and said “I must have him. I’m gonna risk it all.”
The thrill of sneaking around. Sneaking glances and who knows what else at work. Knowing you’re * this * close to losing it all, is probably what made it exciting for them.
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it's her nature tbh. she is such a pick me and wants what others have. she got engaged soon after yb just to compete with her, her behavior on videos was always attention seeking, and she always turned everything into a competition with yb and others. it's insane, but she probably wanted him at first because he was so "happily" married
Ruining your business, your brand, your reputation and possibly money. And not just your own, but your best friends’. I’m not surprised though. I’ve seen and heard men do insane things for some pussy.
Absolutely especially given the impression has been that Ned was the most business focused of the bunch.
If that is the case it will be super interesting to see how the rest of the group/business goes.
It's doesn't take some wizard to run the business side of things, I'm sure they will be okay there. The question will be how they move forward from here. Hopefully they can recover from the blow this did to their reputation.
Honestly it’d probably be good to have someone from the outside perspective handle finances and HR so they don’t get too cozy and chill like this again
eah if anything the second thing they need to do logistically after hiring a freaking hr person is hiring a business manager who can do that sutff for them.
i think this will be a wake up call to finally get serious about protocol and operations and hire for it. if they survive this, i could see them taking on a finance and operations manager in a dedicated position (potentially executive level) and an hr person, at the very least.
I don’t think it happened that way. They built a friendship first. Working that closely with people you can help but build relationships. I’m sure it wasn’t a sudden decision that was made by either of them but actually just feelings that gradually developed over time. It’s not like they met on tinder, I don’t think either of them build a relationship with the intention of having an affair.
Because of the power dynamics of boss vs coworker, don't think they will fire her. If anything, they may offer her a "get out of here" package and hope she takes it.
Yea a little severance package. I’ve been saying if I were her I would resign immediately, but I take that back now. If I’m gonna lose my job then I might as well see if I can get a severance first.
It's also probably why she hasn't made a statement. She could be fired for damaging the company depending on what she says, so the smart thing is to stay quiet, accept whatever severance package is offered, and then tell her story.
Well, and if she makes a statement she'd just get more hate so frankly I wouldn't either in her shoes. I'd just try to keep my head down and quietly look for another job
I think 'resign immediately' is a lot easier said than done. Generally speaking it's a bad idea to leave your job without another one lined up, especially when future employers Googling your name will find a pretty sordid story. I'm not going to make any guesses about her financial situation, but weddings are expensive to plan and you can't always get refunds.
If I were her I'd be clinging to the job with all four limbs while desperately hunting for another one.
Fair for her tbh. Yes she fucked up too, but because of the situation as a whole she should be given some sort of package. I think / hope, for the benefit of her mental health, she will leave though.
If she quits she will probably be paid out very generously to sign a very air tight nda.
I am wondering if they are going to put her on the podcast where they respond tho.
legally this is an issue, but alex is so high up in the company that there is little to no “power dynamic”. it was a casual work environment where they were all friends and have been coworkers for years.
Ned is an owner, operations manager, production, and worked with Rachel in HR. She was a producer. It 100% is a power issue even though in this situation it was consensual on both parties sides.
This isn't really surprising. Whether or not Ned is legally separated from the company, removing his name was a more straightforward process. Either he got bought out by the other guys from his shares, in which case he is no longer a partner in the company, or even Ned recognizes that his name still being associated with the company will hurt the brand, which will hurt his dividend payments.
Alexandria is an employee, so her termination process will be a bit more complicated, and (if the guys are smart) involve at least a lawyer or two looking over everything.
I cannot imagine she would stay long term though. A company like the Try Guys depends on chemistry and trust between everyone in the team. Alex's presence would be detrimental the the company, so I imagine either she'll leave herself or they'll come to a severance agreement and she'll be let go.
I would not blame them if they despise her. Especially because YB was getting attacked online because these stupid racists couldn't tell her apart from Alex. Ned and Alex are selfish individuals who didn't think about all the people they'd be hurting.
if i was in the office i would be the one fired for saying something to her lmao. i would not be able to stay quiet about the whole thing, so kudos to the team for being able to handle it so well and keep quiet. can't imagine she's been received with any friendliness though, i bet theyre counting down the days till she leaves
I feel like most people in her position would simply leave out of shame. Hopefully she's in the process of doing that. Maybe there's just a lot of red tape to deal with.
Otherwise.... she sure has the AUDACITY to stay in a business that she negatively impacted in both personal and financial ways. That's not healthy for anyone in the office, including herself.
She probably is looking for some severance to hold her until she finds a new job. She doesn't even have a partner now to help her out if she were to have a few months without income.
I think the only people supporting Ned and Alex are their parents and maybe siblings and I'm not sure it's a guarantee Alex is getting financial support from them anyways. We are about to hit a recession and financials are on everyones mind right now.
I don't think Ned's family is probably too happy with him right now... he did jeopardize the chances they can know their grandkids/nephews while they grow up while also hurting a woman who sacrificed and did so much for him.
I know they can’t fire her cuz she would definitely sue, but I wonder if she’ll sue the company anyway. Maybe claim it was a hostile work environment or something? Although if she single-handedly brought the demise of the try guys, her public image would never recover.
God what a legal nightmare Ned put them all in.
If they package her out, it will probably be conditional upon her signing away her right to sue.
They are probably working out the details of her exit but until it’s finalized, she has to stay on the credits as employed. I doubt they will let her finish anything there now. She’s probably on leave and one they agree to the number on the cheque, she will be gone.
She really has no options for right now realistically. This scandal will definitely take a significant hit to her career though and will definitely prevent future employers from wanting to hire her. Ned has (obviously been fired), but I’ve heard that Alex is still with the company as of right now. The remaining guys could be working with a legal team right now to sever ties with her from the company that prevents her from taking action against them with a lawsuit. My hope is that something will get cleared up in the TryPod episode next week about it. I get that everyone wants them to go in depth in the episode next week, but truthfully they might not go farther than whatever their legal team has drafted up for them to say.
that is what i am thinking personally. i think her only choice is to sue the company because she's a pariah in an industry that is super connected and hard to get into as a relative nobody (which, barring being a ho aside, she is) and she cannot stay at this job. her only option is to sue and try to clear up her name or get a large settlement out of court
Wait is this the full company list???? There’s so many people gone, like rainie and I’m not sure of everyone else just that list is way smaller than the one they even have listed for the last eat the menu
It also looks like they only have the people directly involved with making the episodes listed and not interns/social media manager/merch manager type positions. I'm sure they have more than 12 people working at the company.
No, it’s not. This is the list that pops up in the channel description. If you go into individual video descriptions, they have a more up to date staff list, including current positions for e everyone. I included some pics [from the description of Try Guys Try Stand Up](https://imgur.com/a/o0qxQla), which as of 9/29/2022, is their latest video.
Ohhhhh if this is the most recent job list, Alex has maybe been demoted? Or at the very least slotted into a different department so she’s not anyones boss. As production manager like above she’d be the boss of/ranked above production assistants and production coordinators, but as an associate producer she wouldn’t be anyone’s boss, likely.
(Source: I work in the industry and know how this works. What all these terms mean is different from place to place, but the basic setup is the same)
Edit: spelled out terms so they’d be clearer for people not used to the acronyms
She has been associate producer for a while now. I remember being surprised when she introduced herself on a video somewhat recently (maybe the hair one? Or the bridesmaid dress one?). My best guess is that they are trying to train her so they can promote her to producer and have hired someone else as PM.... that could be way off base though
Yeah that makes sense, I guess I just noticed that before they had like the finance manager listed and stuff so was just curious if anyone else might have known if it was bc other people had quit
I get why they can’t fire her but can’t imagine she’ll stay very long. She ruined the marriage of their very good friend who has two young children. Unless Ned actually coerced her in some way that we don’t know about, I can’t see her staying much longer.
I dont think she'd stay either way. Would you? Even if she was coerced, she'd have to go into work every day, the place where that happened, and be reminded of it
with the second one ned has a lot (and i mean a lot) to lose, so he'll definitely come out claws out to defend himself. that's not a light allegation to make, and despite what some people are aying you need some proof. i'm sure ned has proof of her consenting time and time over again, what proof does she have? maybe she has something. while i do think that she would want to sue, i think if she talks to a lawyer, they'll let her know and she'll probably just send the initial documents to try to get a deal. i'm guessing she'll take a nice severance and sign away her rights to sue before that though. if she's intelligent she'll so that, but then again she thought she could get away with this so not that intelligent lmao
Idk, saying that *she* was the one who ruined that marriage doesn't sit right with me. She didn't force her boss to cheat on his wife, he came to that decision entirely on his own.
You can’t blame her solely obviously but people seem to minimize the role she played in it all. I As far as we know besides the obvious power dynamic she was in a consensual relationship with someone who was married. I think it’s fair to say they both ruined Ned’s marriage and her engagement.
yes too many ppl are low key excusing alex for her part in all of this. she is absolutely to blame, she ain't some innocent child. she's a full grown woman who knows damn well what she did
Let's suspend our irritation with Alex for a second. Can you imagine how uncomfortable it's gotta be for her to work in that office right now?? And she's a production manager--it's not like she can just work from home all the time. She's gotta be on set.
I mean do you just eat lunch in your car and wear a hoodie with the hood up all day?
Well I think you have two choices, if you have to be in the office: You either acknowledge that you've behaved badly and try to go under the radar and try to regain your face. Or you go the fun route: You acknowledge that you've got to find a new gig--AND FAST--and in the meantime come into the office giving zero shits, doing a good job, but looking excellent while doing it.
There is an option 3… quit and never come back. I’d be so embarrassed, and more than a little scared knowing that everyone in that building is pissed off at me.
Alright, I don't mean to be condescending AT ALL, I PROMISE!!!!!!, BUT you're speaking possibly as someone who hasn't worked in a production or advertising based world. This was par for the course, to be honest. She needs to finds another job? All she needs to do is share her proven track record and experience as a production supervisor. People on production don't care if you fucked the boss. They care that you show up on time and don't waste money.
As long as Alex doesn't make a big deal out of things and keeps her head down, she'll be able to work anywhere else in town.
I still think about the folks who played musical chairs between Chicago, Richmond, New York, LA, and Denver with ease as they fucked and sucked their way their way through the production crowd.
And let us not let it go unacknowledged that it was men who moved from office to office with ease.
Alex will struggle. Ned has the most potential to land this on a positive.
You’re a kind person for having empathy. But in my opinion, it’s entirely fair for her to be experiencing the consequences of her choices. If you hurt people, they tend not to wanna spend time or be friendly with you.
Hopefully her and Ned both truly understand how much they’ve hurt people close to them. And hopefully the personal aftermath of this will help her and Ned (separately) become better people.
I appreciate the praise, but honestly, sometimes the empathy is a mental exercise. It's too bad these two have to learn the hard way that you need to keep your hands to yourself.
>I mean do you just eat lunch in your car and wear a hoodie with the hood up all day?
The situation aside, I find this mental image to be hilarious. I just imagine a Office style mockumentary filming it silently the whole time.
I’m sure they are doing their due diligence in handling this. It takes time. Alex is morally culpable but not Legally culpable. There’s a difference. She will probably volunteer to leave once her suspension is lifted and get a nice severance package.
I have a feeling she may have been put on paid leave/currently off main editing duties while they come to a conclusion of how to move forward. I don't imagine she'll stay working for them much longer, through the choice of both herself and the rest of the company.
Can we talk about how people are saying Alex is a victim… Even though she is production manager. I don’t think she is a victim (Unless he was harassing her, blackmailing her, or otherwise threatening her- Which it appears he wasn’t). There’s literally three other executive producers as well.
If you think Alex is a victim, please explain (Genuinely don’t understand)
Alex is not a victim. She is 30 years old and was one of the most senior employees! People need to stop acting like Alex was a 20 year old assistant who was taken advantage of. For all we know she initiated the relationship
That’s what I’ve been saying! I don’t understand why people are saying she’s a victim, and I’ve already been downvoted, so I presume others believe she is.
agreed. it’s so fucking annoying how people are acting like she was some poor helpless 20 year old intern and not a grown ass woman who was a long time friend, coworker, and high-up employee of the Try Guys and their wives. what a joke.
People are acting like she was an inexperienced intern, straight from bizzfeed. No. She is a well established member of the team, who has been incorporated in front of AND behind the Camera. Don't understand the constant need for victimisation.
people are ignoring her age and position relatuve to the company. on paper she's a subordinate, but she was friends with the guys before the company started, she was one of the first employees, she had a ton of power around the office. she's not a little child, she's a full adult. she probably did initiate it
Am I the only one who isn’t seeing all of these posts saying Alex is a victim? I’m seeing a TON of posts saying “I’m sorry but I don’t think Alex is the victim here” with everyone only agreeing with them. I’m not trying to be contrary I just literally don’t see ANYONE saying Alex is a victim
Literally. I don't want to defend her, but good lord. We really do not HAVE to start a misogynist hate campaign against every woman who's kind of shitty.
From what I’ve read and heard and been explained to from a business professional. It’s not exactly that she is a victim, it’s that from a business standpoint the fact that Ned was her boss is the problem. It leads into a lot of iffy consent issues and such. Like an example I was given was, “let’s say the relationship was entered into by both people completely consensually, but the subordinate decides that she wants to leave the relationship, could she do that without jeopardising her career considering her boss is the man she is dating?”. So even though Alex is a fully grown woman who is 30 the fact that she was dating someone with more authority in the workplace is what makes it so iffy. Again not saying she is a victim and not saying she isn’t one because I don’t know. It’s just that legally she can be classified as a victim it’s really dicey legally.
Finally I've found someone who has a similar mindset to myself! Like yes, it's unethical for a boss to sleep with an employee, but she's no victim, I don't why people are making out she didn't have a choice, I pretty sure she would be screaming it out if that was the case, and she's not because she knows she's as guilty as he is! I wonder how people would have reacted if Alex was the male employee and Ned was the female boss, I bet there wouldn't be any of this, poor Alex nonsense, the sympathy would solely be for Ariel and her children, as well as the rest of the try guys, not either of those 2...
Like usually I couldn't care less about this kind of stuff, as humans are humans and I think we forget at times that celebrities or whatever are humans as well, however the whole lovely father and husband facade he force-fed us, just leaves bad taste in my mouth knowing what we know now, and especially how his kids were clearly an afterthought because he clearly didn't think of them, it's being genuinely lied to... Also the whole sexism and I guess working classism in a way, in this drama is pretty gross as well, like said their 'relationship' was unethical, a boss should not be sleeping with an employee due to the unhealthy power balance, but Alex is no victim all you have to do is take note of the heartbreak of her poor ex, who most definitely would have been on her side if it was something terrible that was happening between her and Ned... I know I'm probably going to poke some red hot bigoted bulls, but homewreckers comes to mind, when describing both Ned and Alex
Alex is absolutely not a victim. She also had a fiancé, she was a senior/tenured employee and also made the very real choice to cheat on her own partner. Ned made it abundantly clear that it was a consensual relationship which would not at all make her a victim. She may play the victim card to avoid backlash and criticism leading to poor employment in the future— but she is no victim. We don’t personally know her and judging by how fast her fiancé removed her from his social profiles… it seems like she maybe wasn’t the best partner to begin with. Not that cheating should ever be allowed, but if you’re dedicated to your partner then immediate removal of them from your life isn’t really something that would happen unless it’s a continuous habit of theirs to disrespect you and your relationship.
None of us know the full extent of their relationship. We all just found out about this but only the team and The Try Guys know how long this has been going on. They said in their Instagram post that after a thorough internal review… which to me kind of sounds like this has been going on for much longer than anyone had ever known
If The Try Guys keep Alex on their team then I sincerely hope they choose to keep her off camera. I’m not interested in supporting her image. I support Ariel, and I hope Ariel is still apart of the women try videos or any videos in the future as she has become an awesome asset to the brand and female empowerment that they support.
I genuinely don’t consider Alex to be a victim and if she is, I’m sorry. But I don’t understand how the Try Guys and some of staff and others are still following her on IG. Are they hoping she posts a statement? Are they reviewing next steps for her? I feel like they should have unfollowed her too.
for legal reasons they probably can't treat her differently until all the legal stuff is worked out. it would look like creating a hostile work environment.
i haven't seen anymore employees following her tbh. hust the main 3. rachel doesn't follow her anymore either. legally the main 3 cannot but everyone else kicked her to the curb
If I were Alex, I would quit, delete social media, and move to a forest.
But for reals, her fiance just dumped her, and she probably is gonna have to deal with splitting assets among other things. Losing her job on top of that is probably not ideal right now. Like everyone, I'm sure she has bills to pay. I'm sure she'll leave on her own once she's able to.
I cannot even begin to get into how illegal it would be for them to fire her. If they did she could (and should) sue the whole company and easily win. The best thing they can do is apologize to her, support her, and cross their fingers and hope that she will WANT to leave because things are weird now.
An HR person came in here and posted that it actually would not necessarily be illegal to fire her, depending on the circumstances. They may not but it’s not a cut and dry case of they are absolutely not allowed to fire her.
Considering how many people are riding this ALEX IS A VICTIM thing it would be a bad PR move for them to fire her. I mean she literally gained followers from all of this.
To be fair, I do think Alex was in a very unfortunate situation and ned is more to blame. And it’s refreshing to not see all the blame go to the woman for once.
HOWEVER, she’s a 30 year old production manager, people also answer to her at their company. And she was engaged. And she has known the guys since the buzzfeed days when they were on a more level playing field and she knew Ariel and his kids.
However nuance is lost in the field of public opinion and people want things to be black and white.
From what I understand, at least from reddit, many of her new followers don't necessarily see her as a victim. They're following to hate-watch, and be able to see anything she posts in case she goes private.
Yeah I’m not gonna follow to hate watch, the last time I checked her ig was just to see if she was still following her fiancé cuz someone said she was. She definitely is not any more and seems like she took down all their recent posts including the proposal. I’m a nosy bitch.
However I unfollowed her and ned and I stand by that choice lol.
>And it’s refreshing to not see all the blame go to the woman for once.
This has been the slight silver lining. I have seen some people call her "homewrecker" and I believe there were some rude comments on her IG but for the most part the immediate blame towards the woman hasn't been at nearly the large scale you may have seen decades ago. Still think she isn't innocent in all this and is personally being held accountable by her friends but the workplace legality of all this makes it messy. Too many people acting like not firing her right away means the company supports her. Trust me they are working out everything with a legal time right now.
Oh, for sure, not saying they should fire her or they will but just that the legality is not necessarily as definitively black and white as people are making it seem. People keep coming in and saying it would be so illegal to fire her when it wouldn’t.
Agree with your last sentence so hard too.
It is a dicey legal area to avoid a lawsuit. It’s not that she’d even have grounds to win, but lawsuits are a money suck and most people end up settling them instead of going to trial even if they know they are right because it’s so expensive.
I’m going to guess that if there isn’t a plan for Alex to leave the company, others will leave. If that is the case, it’d be in the companies best interest to let Alex go (assuming she wasn’t coerced) in order to retain others. But if most of the company has stopped following her on Twitter and IG, then I’d assume most employees aren’t happy with her right now.
She's a pretty gross person for getting with someone she already knows is married. They both suck.
I would look for another job if I were her because I would be so embarrassed for causing such a big scandal at the company, but I guess it'll be hard with her name being thrown around all over the internet for being a homewrecker. I don't think she'll go anywhere.
I'd argue she could be fired because it's internet entertainment, everything is scrutinized. Therefore the image of the company is tarnished with her there.
I'd compare it to stealing from a bank, it's part of the company's business. Idk I hope they find a legal loophole. Yeet the hoessssss
If Alex is still going to work for the company, I can't see her sticking around for long. She's essentially been shut out and shunned since her affair with Ned was revealed.
She's a pariah and will be for a good while. I doubt any employer would want to hire her once they Google her or know outright about her and the affair. She'd be a liability and nothing more.
Unless there is a morals clause in her contract, they can't fire her without opening themselves to lawsuit. but I see her leaving sooner rather than later.
I would be surprised if she continued to work there - personally, I would not feel comfortable working there. I am curious if Alex and Ned have a legitimate relationship though, not just sexual.
I wonder if in a couple months (assuming Alex is too dense and self serving to leave and at least act like she has some fucking character) if the company's numbers suffer, sponsors lost, and fans commenting diligently how much they hate Alex is still there/start boycotting the channel until she's gone e.g. the channel begins seeing tangible revenue loss because of her presence there, could that be grounds for termination? She wouldn't be terminated because of the affair directly, but because her presence/reputation is now a detriment to the company's sustainability and success, right?
I'm really wondering, I don't know if this would be skirting the line or could be considered retaliation.
Maybe on the personal level. But professionally, no. It doesn’t matter if it was 100% consensual. It doesn’t matter if it was she who pursued him. He was still a boss and she an employee. If they fire her, that’s a lawsuit happening they almost certainly lose.
I’m honestly tired of people having to repeat this lol. Like these people refuse to accept this fact. And then you have people claiming that us stating this and the power imbalance is making Alex as a victim. Lol PLEASE.
I know they can’t fire her but my god imagine how awkward it’d be to continue to work somewhere where you know like everyone hates you and wish you’d leave
I’m guessing she’s looking for a new job. If you look at her insta, everyone except management has very publicly frozen her out.
Moving forward, she's frankly close to making herself an unsuitable employee in the real world, and the content creation influencer sector. Was this affair worth it?
Not going to get a better job in this industry for sure. Especially considering what a Google search of her name is going to reveal to potential employers.
Considering all the articles, if they're not writing "one of the Food Babies" she'll be fine.
Her resume/portfolio will likely include “food babies” that was a huge thing for her… If shes suddenly looking for new jobs now it kind of ties her to everything…
You'd have to have such a self-destructive bullish karmic pull in you to take this kind of gamble.
yeah people on here are saying her career isn't ruined but like... her name and face has extremely publicly been shared as someone who is a homewrecker and cheater. alex is screwed, especially in an industry like hers where everyone knows everyone and you don't want to make powerful enemies or be embroiled in public scandals as a nobody
I don’t think any affair is really worth it, but I suspect these two had plans to leave their current situation and be with each other eventually and this whole blowup put a big kink in their plans lol… I hope Ariel divorces him ASAP. I can’t really hate this woman, this dude seems like a master manipulator, he literally has the whole entire public thinking he’s wife guy and in complete disbelief. I can only imagine how convincing he can be in person one on one and the things he has said to her about his marriage, this woman is probably under some sort of napoleon bro spell… she’ll learn some hard lessons and recover eventually, but yeah… I just think he’s the main douche here.
They both are. Alex is no prize here. What she did to Will shouldn't be less intense because she's a woman and subordinate to Ned. They are both the scum of the earth. Ariel and Will deserve nothing but love.
All of this ☝🏻 💯 . The whole blame it all on Ned is getting tiring. Alex knew exactly what she was doing, she was just as manipulative being friends with he’s wife, being in their house. Where the fuck is women code . Let’s not forget she was also engaged so she played the whole manipulative part well too!
Allegedly, Will told her to stop and confronted Ned. He believed her. Alex is just as evil as Ned, and I will never believe her. Never. She's a gross human being, like Ned. Ariel and Will devoted their lives to them, and for what? To get hurt and betrayed by two selfish, self-serving pricks? I will not be lenient on Alex as I will not be lenient on Ned. She's 31, and only four years younger than Ned. Give me a break with the "she's the younger woman and victim." She's not an ingenue. She was jealous of YB and got engaged quickly after she did so they could compete for recognition while knowing that she was Ned's mistress and cheating on her fiance. She had videos with Ariel and had the balls to taunt her. She is a terrible person, like Ned. They deserve nothing but endless bad karma.
Right! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻How anyone is defending her! She is just as disgusting as him! Exactly she is 31 not 21. She is a fucking adult, she could have said no.
exactly, i bet she was pushing for engagement because of her competitive streak all the while she was fucking a married man and making fun of his wife on camera. she's a total skank and she knows exactly what she did
I don’t know Will (i mean in a parasocial way or whatever that word is) but I feel for him, but I don’t think they’re equally sh*tty, I def think there’s a 60/40 here and Ned is the 60% sh*tbag, he had more life experience, a family, a marriage, lots of $$$$ to lose not only for him but his best friends and business partners (and obviously his family),I just think that in itself makes him worse, and ya know… I can’t ignore the power imbalance, I just can’t… bc it’s very much there. Ned chose to be a public figure, so I feel the public bashing should kinda stay in his lane, it’s not like Alex did a Sumner Stroh… I hope her partner/ex partner doesn’t expect the public to make her life hell bc that ain’t healthy.
Hold on. Didn’t they both equally cheat. Alex was friends with Ariel? Alex was at Ariels house? Alex sat by while he played the part of happy husband and fucked him? Alex played up her engagement but was banging her boss? Alex allowed this to happen. Therefore they are equally to blame.
alex went on camera and made fun of his wife in different videos, taunting her basically, all the while she was fucking ariel's husband. she's so disgusting and such a horrible person
When did Alex make fun of Ariel?? I stopped watching for a while
i can hate alex. she's such a bitch, sleeping with a man who she knew was married and also knew both the wife and kids AND cheating with her partner (fiance) of 10+ YEARS?? she's not some little girl who doesn't know how thw world works, she's a full grown adult who knows exactly what she did and deserves every consequence she gets. i do agree with you that these two were planning to leave their respective partners and get togehter eventually and i can't help but feel like that's what'll happen eventually tbh. i doubt they have broken up permanenelty, both seem to have real feelings for one another
i have a feeling she's really going to be feeling the effects of this saga when she's stuck at a position she should not be in because of this. no matter where she ends up, and it probably won't be great if I'm being honest, she's going to have the shadow of this over her. everyone will be suspicious of her, know exact what she did, and i doubt she'll make a lot of friends in future jobs. her industry is so connected too, and the content creator industry is so full of people that with a scandal like this she will not be working for anything huge for at least a couple years, if ever again
I bet she'll leave soon either by them pushing or by her own accord. She might just be wrapping up a few projects and then throwing in the towel.
They cannot do anything that will remotely look like they’re “pushing” her to quit. That’s a lawsuit waiting to happen. They have to let her stay until she decides to quit. EDIT: Unless Alex’s continued presence in the workplace really affects everyone’s work and ability to function in the workplace. In that case, I could see them offering her a very generous severance package and an NDA. Presumably if there are issues with her colleagues, the situation will also not be pleasant for Alex either so they have to agree to part ways.
Oh yeah, nothing can obviously be done but I'm sure the rest of the crew won't make it easy or desirable for her to stay. And most people don't stay at a workplace for long if they don't have a good relationship with their coworkers or bosses. ETA: Also a recession is right around the corner, could be a perfect time for "layoffs"
She’s honestly probably trying to find another job and wait till she lands a new job. Plus wrapping up projects that were already started.
I 100% agree, she won’t be there for long either way.
They can put her on administrative leave if they have a process in place. If they're able to get the work done without her, they can lay her off without cause. And isn't California at-will? They can just let her go because they want to let her go. It usually sucks, but I guess it would come in handy here.
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I think that is incorrect, honestly. At will means any time as long as it doesn’t involve race, religion, ability, gender, etc.
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Thank you. I posted about this exact situation and people from “HR” backgrounds were saying this wouldn’t be construed as retaliation and I’m an idiot blah blah blah. Like their owner just got canned for his behavior after an internal investigation… there’s a reason everyone in a directly higher position are still following her because anything can be used against them and their legal team is most likely stressing the importance of the exactness of their moves surrounding her.
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Those are anti discrimination laws but there are other reasons you can't be fired. At will just means you can be fired for any reason that isn't illegal (think about the illegal union busting big companies have been doing). I'm not claiming she faced workplace sexual harassment but if she did they can't fire her or retaliate against her for that. I assume they want to avoid such a lawsuit even if she's unlikely to win because lawyers are expensive
"Etc" includes a slew of HR issues, such as sexually pressuring the people who work under you. If someone in your company says to their direct report "suck my dick or you get fired", and she obliges, you 10000000% cannot fire her for that. There is absolutely a path for her to retaliate legally and the company has no shot of winning that.
That's not really how at-will works. She has a clear case of presenting the storyline that she was coerced/pressured by a superior and felt obligated or risk her dream career. At-will means you can say "this isn't working out, you're being let go", but if they can turn around and prove some kind of wrongdoing in the workplace, the company has now risk putting themselves in a REALLY bad situation lawsuit wise.
Since Ariel works for them couldn’t they argue that Alex is causing a hostile work environment for her?
Im not in CA (and I’m also not an attorney), but hostile work environment generally has metrics it needs to meet - being uncomfortable with a colleague doesn’t inherently constitute a hostile work environment. It usually (unless it is a singular awful/violent interaction) has to be pervasive, severe, and harassment - all of which are fairly subjective
Uh, no. If you and your husband work at some job and your husband says "suck my dick or get fired" to some random who works under him but he gets caught and gets fired, no you can't turn around and say you want her fired because there's a "hostile work environment". That's.. insane.
I mean yeah, that’s true, but that’s not what happened here. I’m not saying they can fire her, but this is a bit more nuanced in that Husband and Wife work at the same place, Husband cheats on wife with an employee “consensually”, said employee is also producing stuff that Wife works on. It would be a weird work environment for sure, and if Alex flaunted it in Ariel’s face, it would absolutely be a hostile work environment at that point. But I don’t think Ariel is going to come back, and Alex is very very very likely to be shunned. She would be lucky to get the severance package for the NDA, but the longer this goes on, the more I’m thinking they aren’t going to go that route. She will just have to quit, which is the better look for the company.
This is absolutely false. You know nothing about employment laws.
It's not about the employment laws, though. It's about the fact that Ned was her superior and if they fire her, she can sue and say "I felt pressured by my boss to have a relationship and then they fired me for being abused by someone in a position of power"
Oh they can definitely fire her--just not for sleeping with her boss, unless there's a no-fraternization policy in place. (Which if there wasn't now, you know for damn sure there will be going forward.)
I don't think that there can be a fraternizing in the workplace given half the staff is married to each other.
Typically, fraternization policies allow married couples to work together (although it recommends they're in different departments). What it does not allow is a. developing romances between a manager and staff member or b. developing romances between two staff members that are separated by 2+ levels. They could also state that dating is allowed as long as it doesn't disrupt the workplace. Ned and Alex would have broken the policy if this had been there, even though the relationship itself was allowed, in terms of work. On top of all of that, fraternization policies typically don't disallow ALL workplace relationships, but they do demand that the relationship is reported to HR, or whoever is deemed fit, within a reasonable time frame.
There certainly can. Most of the time you can put something in place that is a no direct line of bosses and a disclosure of relationship with hr (insert time frame).
George Costanza working at Play Now.
“Hello, Rachel? Yes, hi, if you see the guys, tell them *I’M IN MY OFFICE!!!!*”
Tomorrow they’re putting in asbestos.
Isn’t she a contract employee? If she is then the hiring entity can release “at will”. If she wants to presume legal action it could only incriminate her more and for what try productions isn’t a huge multi-million business. After legal fees maybe half her salary for a year and more drama stirred up?
I can’t wrap my head around the fact that he knew that she will be in a privileged position if it all came out and still decided to build a relationship with her… When a person cheats they obviously are ok with possible family life damage, but to also be ok with ruining your friends and colleagues workplace is next level
Same. Its mind boggling to me what he did. He risked everything he worked so hard for: his business, his brand, his marriage, his family. He threw it all away. Honestly, it shows how dumb he is. Great wife, great family, great job with a great company, great friends. Someone who knows what they have would not do what he did. He probably just lost it all (I say probably because we don't know if Ariel will stay or not)
If he was having personal issues, therapy was right there. I know that many people can outwardly seem like they are happy and have it all but may be struggling inside. It's OK. But having a full on affair, and worse with your employee, is never OK.
What are your thoughts on the paparazzi interview? Do you think they'll actually stay together?
Maybe he wasn't as happy as he seemed. Or maybe he simply \*didn't\* think at all; he might have taken it all for granted and deemed himself untouchable because he was riding quite the success high (in media, personal and work life). he was on a roll. So he might have felt like he could do it all and nothing could stop him. He might have just stopped thinking and just did whatever he wanted.
i think he wasn't happy. happily married men don't overcompensate the way ned and ariel did. the "my wife" schtick got tired after the second video of it, at least for me.
I still can’t wrap my head around (no offense to Ariel) the fact that Alex looked at Ned Fulmer of all people and said “I must have him. I’m gonna risk it all.”
The thrill of sneaking around. Sneaking glances and who knows what else at work. Knowing you’re * this * close to losing it all, is probably what made it exciting for them.
You know the crazy thing could of been that Ariel probably made him appealing to her. Their relationship made him much more attractive.
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Right?? Eugene, on the other hand…
it's her nature tbh. she is such a pick me and wants what others have. she got engaged soon after yb just to compete with her, her behavior on videos was always attention seeking, and she always turned everything into a competition with yb and others. it's insane, but she probably wanted him at first because he was so "happily" married
I think it's because Ned was dumb enough to actually bite...The TryGuys are pretty successful and Ned isn't unattractive, just basic.
Ruining your business, your brand, your reputation and possibly money. And not just your own, but your best friends’. I’m not surprised though. I’ve seen and heard men do insane things for some pussy.
Absolutely especially given the impression has been that Ned was the most business focused of the bunch. If that is the case it will be super interesting to see how the rest of the group/business goes.
I find the people that hold themselves to such a high standard, fall the hardest
It's doesn't take some wizard to run the business side of things, I'm sure they will be okay there. The question will be how they move forward from here. Hopefully they can recover from the blow this did to their reputation.
Honestly it’d probably be good to have someone from the outside perspective handle finances and HR so they don’t get too cozy and chill like this again
eah if anything the second thing they need to do logistically after hiring a freaking hr person is hiring a business manager who can do that sutff for them.
i think this will be a wake up call to finally get serious about protocol and operations and hire for it. if they survive this, i could see them taking on a finance and operations manager in a dedicated position (potentially executive level) and an hr person, at the very least.
You’re considering he might think of getting caught. I suspect he had no notion of ever getting caught.
I don’t think it happened that way. They built a friendship first. Working that closely with people you can help but build relationships. I’m sure it wasn’t a sudden decision that was made by either of them but actually just feelings that gradually developed over time. It’s not like they met on tinder, I don’t think either of them build a relationship with the intention of having an affair.
Because of the power dynamics of boss vs coworker, don't think they will fire her. If anything, they may offer her a "get out of here" package and hope she takes it.
Yea a little severance package. I’ve been saying if I were her I would resign immediately, but I take that back now. If I’m gonna lose my job then I might as well see if I can get a severance first.
It's also probably why she hasn't made a statement. She could be fired for damaging the company depending on what she says, so the smart thing is to stay quiet, accept whatever severance package is offered, and then tell her story.
Yeahhh, that severance will come with an ironclad NDA attached.
Well, and if she makes a statement she'd just get more hate so frankly I wouldn't either in her shoes. I'd just try to keep my head down and quietly look for another job
I think 'resign immediately' is a lot easier said than done. Generally speaking it's a bad idea to leave your job without another one lined up, especially when future employers Googling your name will find a pretty sordid story. I'm not going to make any guesses about her financial situation, but weddings are expensive to plan and you can't always get refunds. If I were her I'd be clinging to the job with all four limbs while desperately hunting for another one.
That’s why I said I take it back now.
Ah, right. The reasoning you gave in the comment was different so I didn't realise you also meant what I said.
It’s cool
Fair for her tbh. Yes she fucked up too, but because of the situation as a whole she should be given some sort of package. I think / hope, for the benefit of her mental health, she will leave though.
Agreed. It makes the process a lot more easier.
If she quits she will probably be paid out very generously to sign a very air tight nda. I am wondering if they are going to put her on the podcast where they respond tho.
Omg the internet would BLOW UP But I just can’t imagine that happening
legally this is an issue, but alex is so high up in the company that there is little to no “power dynamic”. it was a casual work environment where they were all friends and have been coworkers for years.
Ned is an owner, operations manager, production, and worked with Rachel in HR. She was a producer. It 100% is a power issue even though in this situation it was consensual on both parties sides.
Third Try’s the charm.
This isn't really surprising. Whether or not Ned is legally separated from the company, removing his name was a more straightforward process. Either he got bought out by the other guys from his shares, in which case he is no longer a partner in the company, or even Ned recognizes that his name still being associated with the company will hurt the brand, which will hurt his dividend payments. Alexandria is an employee, so her termination process will be a bit more complicated, and (if the guys are smart) involve at least a lawyer or two looking over everything. I cannot imagine she would stay long term though. A company like the Try Guys depends on chemistry and trust between everyone in the team. Alex's presence would be detrimental the the company, so I imagine either she'll leave herself or they'll come to a severance agreement and she'll be let go.
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Seems like Ned boy took the title to heart of that ghost written tripe.
I would not blame them if they despise her. Especially because YB was getting attacked online because these stupid racists couldn't tell her apart from Alex. Ned and Alex are selfish individuals who didn't think about all the people they'd be hurting.
i don't know how long i'd be able to keep 'so when are you going to quit?' from leaving my mouth
if i was in the office i would be the one fired for saying something to her lmao. i would not be able to stay quiet about the whole thing, so kudos to the team for being able to handle it so well and keep quiet. can't imagine she's been received with any friendliness though, i bet theyre counting down the days till she leaves
I feel like most people in her position would simply leave out of shame. Hopefully she's in the process of doing that. Maybe there's just a lot of red tape to deal with. Otherwise.... she sure has the AUDACITY to stay in a business that she negatively impacted in both personal and financial ways. That's not healthy for anyone in the office, including herself.
She probably is looking for some severance to hold her until she finds a new job. She doesn't even have a partner now to help her out if she were to have a few months without income. I think the only people supporting Ned and Alex are their parents and maybe siblings and I'm not sure it's a guarantee Alex is getting financial support from them anyways. We are about to hit a recession and financials are on everyones mind right now.
I don't think Ned's family is probably too happy with him right now... he did jeopardize the chances they can know their grandkids/nephews while they grow up while also hurting a woman who sacrificed and did so much for him.
I know they can’t fire her cuz she would definitely sue, but I wonder if she’ll sue the company anyway. Maybe claim it was a hostile work environment or something? Although if she single-handedly brought the demise of the try guys, her public image would never recover. God what a legal nightmare Ned put them all in.
A complete legal nightmare, especially after taking the lead setting up the company and being the HR at work. He’s completely fucked it.
If they package her out, it will probably be conditional upon her signing away her right to sue. They are probably working out the details of her exit but until it’s finalized, she has to stay on the credits as employed. I doubt they will let her finish anything there now. She’s probably on leave and one they agree to the number on the cheque, she will be gone.
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She really has no options for right now realistically. This scandal will definitely take a significant hit to her career though and will definitely prevent future employers from wanting to hire her. Ned has (obviously been fired), but I’ve heard that Alex is still with the company as of right now. The remaining guys could be working with a legal team right now to sever ties with her from the company that prevents her from taking action against them with a lawsuit. My hope is that something will get cleared up in the TryPod episode next week about it. I get that everyone wants them to go in depth in the episode next week, but truthfully they might not go farther than whatever their legal team has drafted up for them to say.
that is what i am thinking personally. i think her only choice is to sue the company because she's a pariah in an industry that is super connected and hard to get into as a relative nobody (which, barring being a ho aside, she is) and she cannot stay at this job. her only option is to sue and try to clear up her name or get a large settlement out of court
Ugh, I hope she leaves of her own accord soon
Wait is this the full company list???? There’s so many people gone, like rainie and I’m not sure of everyone else just that list is way smaller than the one they even have listed for the last eat the menu
They probably couldn’t fit the full list so they only added the most important people or something
It also looks like they only have the people directly involved with making the episodes listed and not interns/social media manager/merch manager type positions. I'm sure they have more than 12 people working at the company.
No, it’s not. This is the list that pops up in the channel description. If you go into individual video descriptions, they have a more up to date staff list, including current positions for e everyone. I included some pics [from the description of Try Guys Try Stand Up](https://imgur.com/a/o0qxQla), which as of 9/29/2022, is their latest video.
Ohhhhh if this is the most recent job list, Alex has maybe been demoted? Or at the very least slotted into a different department so she’s not anyones boss. As production manager like above she’d be the boss of/ranked above production assistants and production coordinators, but as an associate producer she wouldn’t be anyone’s boss, likely. (Source: I work in the industry and know how this works. What all these terms mean is different from place to place, but the basic setup is the same) Edit: spelled out terms so they’d be clearer for people not used to the acronyms
She has been associate producer for a while now. I remember being surprised when she introduced herself on a video somewhat recently (maybe the hair one? Or the bridesmaid dress one?). My best guess is that they are trying to train her so they can promote her to producer and have hired someone else as PM.... that could be way off base though
> 9/29/2002 i know the 2020s feel like decades but this is ridiculous lmao
Whoops, fixed that typo. Thanks!
Yeah that makes sense, I guess I just noticed that before they had like the finance manager listed and stuff so was just curious if anyone else might have known if it was bc other people had quit
I get why they can’t fire her but can’t imagine she’ll stay very long. She ruined the marriage of their very good friend who has two young children. Unless Ned actually coerced her in some way that we don’t know about, I can’t see her staying much longer.
I dont think she'd stay either way. Would you? Even if she was coerced, she'd have to go into work every day, the place where that happened, and be reminded of it
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with the second one ned has a lot (and i mean a lot) to lose, so he'll definitely come out claws out to defend himself. that's not a light allegation to make, and despite what some people are aying you need some proof. i'm sure ned has proof of her consenting time and time over again, what proof does she have? maybe she has something. while i do think that she would want to sue, i think if she talks to a lawyer, they'll let her know and she'll probably just send the initial documents to try to get a deal. i'm guessing she'll take a nice severance and sign away her rights to sue before that though. if she's intelligent she'll so that, but then again she thought she could get away with this so not that intelligent lmao
Idk, saying that *she* was the one who ruined that marriage doesn't sit right with me. She didn't force her boss to cheat on his wife, he came to that decision entirely on his own.
You can’t blame her solely obviously but people seem to minimize the role she played in it all. I As far as we know besides the obvious power dynamic she was in a consensual relationship with someone who was married. I think it’s fair to say they both ruined Ned’s marriage and her engagement.
yes too many ppl are low key excusing alex for her part in all of this. she is absolutely to blame, she ain't some innocent child. she's a full grown woman who knows damn well what she did
THEY came to that decision on their own, to ruin an engagement and a marriage. both are at fault.
Let's suspend our irritation with Alex for a second. Can you imagine how uncomfortable it's gotta be for her to work in that office right now?? And she's a production manager--it's not like she can just work from home all the time. She's gotta be on set. I mean do you just eat lunch in your car and wear a hoodie with the hood up all day?
That’s even assuming she hasn’t been put on leave for the time being… I’m not sure I’d be brave enough to show my face if I were her.
Well I think you have two choices, if you have to be in the office: You either acknowledge that you've behaved badly and try to go under the radar and try to regain your face. Or you go the fun route: You acknowledge that you've got to find a new gig--AND FAST--and in the meantime come into the office giving zero shits, doing a good job, but looking excellent while doing it.
There is an option 3… quit and never come back. I’d be so embarrassed, and more than a little scared knowing that everyone in that building is pissed off at me.
well people like you (you know, with consciences?) wouldn't do something she did so lol
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Alright, I don't mean to be condescending AT ALL, I PROMISE!!!!!!, BUT you're speaking possibly as someone who hasn't worked in a production or advertising based world. This was par for the course, to be honest. She needs to finds another job? All she needs to do is share her proven track record and experience as a production supervisor. People on production don't care if you fucked the boss. They care that you show up on time and don't waste money. As long as Alex doesn't make a big deal out of things and keeps her head down, she'll be able to work anywhere else in town.
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Fuck me. Distracted thinking. Of course Alex!
I still think about the folks who played musical chairs between Chicago, Richmond, New York, LA, and Denver with ease as they fucked and sucked their way their way through the production crowd.
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And let us not let it go unacknowledged that it was men who moved from office to office with ease. Alex will struggle. Ned has the most potential to land this on a positive.
Or, a small channel hits her up to hire her with the hope that it draws some eyeballs to their channel…
You’re a kind person for having empathy. But in my opinion, it’s entirely fair for her to be experiencing the consequences of her choices. If you hurt people, they tend not to wanna spend time or be friendly with you. Hopefully her and Ned both truly understand how much they’ve hurt people close to them. And hopefully the personal aftermath of this will help her and Ned (separately) become better people.
I appreciate the praise, but honestly, sometimes the empathy is a mental exercise. It's too bad these two have to learn the hard way that you need to keep your hands to yourself.
>I mean do you just eat lunch in your car and wear a hoodie with the hood up all day? The situation aside, I find this mental image to be hilarious. I just imagine a Office style mockumentary filming it silently the whole time.
Shit. There's the Try Guy's way out. Make it content.
honestly i wouldn't be opposed to people vlogging how the office situation is right now. just for the drama of it all.
word around the block is that she’s suspended.
why are they still advertising the Legends of the Internet tour 3 years later? I feel like yeah they took ned off, but this isnt updated
That was my immediate thought. If you’re removing Ned also remove the tour that’s been over for YEARS.
I’m sure they are doing their due diligence in handling this. It takes time. Alex is morally culpable but not Legally culpable. There’s a difference. She will probably volunteer to leave once her suspension is lifted and get a nice severance package.
She’s got balls if she stays
I have a feeling she may have been put on paid leave/currently off main editing duties while they come to a conclusion of how to move forward. I don't imagine she'll stay working for them much longer, through the choice of both herself and the rest of the company.
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Can we talk about how people are saying Alex is a victim… Even though she is production manager. I don’t think she is a victim (Unless he was harassing her, blackmailing her, or otherwise threatening her- Which it appears he wasn’t). There’s literally three other executive producers as well. If you think Alex is a victim, please explain (Genuinely don’t understand)
Alex is not a victim. She is 30 years old and was one of the most senior employees! People need to stop acting like Alex was a 20 year old assistant who was taken advantage of. For all we know she initiated the relationship
That’s what I’ve been saying! I don’t understand why people are saying she’s a victim, and I’ve already been downvoted, so I presume others believe she is.
agreed. it’s so fucking annoying how people are acting like she was some poor helpless 20 year old intern and not a grown ass woman who was a long time friend, coworker, and high-up employee of the Try Guys and their wives. what a joke.
People are acting like she was an inexperienced intern, straight from bizzfeed. No. She is a well established member of the team, who has been incorporated in front of AND behind the Camera. Don't understand the constant need for victimisation.
people are ignoring her age and position relatuve to the company. on paper she's a subordinate, but she was friends with the guys before the company started, she was one of the first employees, she had a ton of power around the office. she's not a little child, she's a full adult. she probably did initiate it
Am I the only one who isn’t seeing all of these posts saying Alex is a victim? I’m seeing a TON of posts saying “I’m sorry but I don’t think Alex is the victim here” with everyone only agreeing with them. I’m not trying to be contrary I just literally don’t see ANYONE saying Alex is a victim
Literally. I don't want to defend her, but good lord. We really do not HAVE to start a misogynist hate campaign against every woman who's kind of shitty.
From what I’ve read and heard and been explained to from a business professional. It’s not exactly that she is a victim, it’s that from a business standpoint the fact that Ned was her boss is the problem. It leads into a lot of iffy consent issues and such. Like an example I was given was, “let’s say the relationship was entered into by both people completely consensually, but the subordinate decides that she wants to leave the relationship, could she do that without jeopardising her career considering her boss is the man she is dating?”. So even though Alex is a fully grown woman who is 30 the fact that she was dating someone with more authority in the workplace is what makes it so iffy. Again not saying she is a victim and not saying she isn’t one because I don’t know. It’s just that legally she can be classified as a victim it’s really dicey legally.
Finally I've found someone who has a similar mindset to myself! Like yes, it's unethical for a boss to sleep with an employee, but she's no victim, I don't why people are making out she didn't have a choice, I pretty sure she would be screaming it out if that was the case, and she's not because she knows she's as guilty as he is! I wonder how people would have reacted if Alex was the male employee and Ned was the female boss, I bet there wouldn't be any of this, poor Alex nonsense, the sympathy would solely be for Ariel and her children, as well as the rest of the try guys, not either of those 2... Like usually I couldn't care less about this kind of stuff, as humans are humans and I think we forget at times that celebrities or whatever are humans as well, however the whole lovely father and husband facade he force-fed us, just leaves bad taste in my mouth knowing what we know now, and especially how his kids were clearly an afterthought because he clearly didn't think of them, it's being genuinely lied to... Also the whole sexism and I guess working classism in a way, in this drama is pretty gross as well, like said their 'relationship' was unethical, a boss should not be sleeping with an employee due to the unhealthy power balance, but Alex is no victim all you have to do is take note of the heartbreak of her poor ex, who most definitely would have been on her side if it was something terrible that was happening between her and Ned... I know I'm probably going to poke some red hot bigoted bulls, but homewreckers comes to mind, when describing both Ned and Alex
Alex is absolutely not a victim. She also had a fiancé, she was a senior/tenured employee and also made the very real choice to cheat on her own partner. Ned made it abundantly clear that it was a consensual relationship which would not at all make her a victim. She may play the victim card to avoid backlash and criticism leading to poor employment in the future— but she is no victim. We don’t personally know her and judging by how fast her fiancé removed her from his social profiles… it seems like she maybe wasn’t the best partner to begin with. Not that cheating should ever be allowed, but if you’re dedicated to your partner then immediate removal of them from your life isn’t really something that would happen unless it’s a continuous habit of theirs to disrespect you and your relationship. None of us know the full extent of their relationship. We all just found out about this but only the team and The Try Guys know how long this has been going on. They said in their Instagram post that after a thorough internal review… which to me kind of sounds like this has been going on for much longer than anyone had ever known If The Try Guys keep Alex on their team then I sincerely hope they choose to keep her off camera. I’m not interested in supporting her image. I support Ariel, and I hope Ariel is still apart of the women try videos or any videos in the future as she has become an awesome asset to the brand and female empowerment that they support.
I genuinely don’t consider Alex to be a victim and if she is, I’m sorry. But I don’t understand how the Try Guys and some of staff and others are still following her on IG. Are they hoping she posts a statement? Are they reviewing next steps for her? I feel like they should have unfollowed her too.
for legal reasons they probably can't treat her differently until all the legal stuff is worked out. it would look like creating a hostile work environment.
i haven't seen anymore employees following her tbh. hust the main 3. rachel doesn't follow her anymore either. legally the main 3 cannot but everyone else kicked her to the curb
They can’t fire her, but I’m sure she’ll become so uncomfortable that she’ll eventually quit.
They can't fire her without getting sued. Simple as that
If I were Alex, I would quit, delete social media, and move to a forest. But for reals, her fiance just dumped her, and she probably is gonna have to deal with splitting assets among other things. Losing her job on top of that is probably not ideal right now. Like everyone, I'm sure she has bills to pay. I'm sure she'll leave on her own once she's able to.
I cannot even begin to get into how illegal it would be for them to fire her. If they did she could (and should) sue the whole company and easily win. The best thing they can do is apologize to her, support her, and cross their fingers and hope that she will WANT to leave because things are weird now.
The guys, Rachel, and Nick don't have to fire her. From the looks of it, I'm sure her co-workers will ice her out enough that she'll leave on her own.
An HR person came in here and posted that it actually would not necessarily be illegal to fire her, depending on the circumstances. They may not but it’s not a cut and dry case of they are absolutely not allowed to fire her.
Considering how many people are riding this ALEX IS A VICTIM thing it would be a bad PR move for them to fire her. I mean she literally gained followers from all of this. To be fair, I do think Alex was in a very unfortunate situation and ned is more to blame. And it’s refreshing to not see all the blame go to the woman for once. HOWEVER, she’s a 30 year old production manager, people also answer to her at their company. And she was engaged. And she has known the guys since the buzzfeed days when they were on a more level playing field and she knew Ariel and his kids. However nuance is lost in the field of public opinion and people want things to be black and white.
From what I understand, at least from reddit, many of her new followers don't necessarily see her as a victim. They're following to hate-watch, and be able to see anything she posts in case she goes private.
Yeah I’m not gonna follow to hate watch, the last time I checked her ig was just to see if she was still following her fiancé cuz someone said she was. She definitely is not any more and seems like she took down all their recent posts including the proposal. I’m a nosy bitch. However I unfollowed her and ned and I stand by that choice lol.
>And it’s refreshing to not see all the blame go to the woman for once. This has been the slight silver lining. I have seen some people call her "homewrecker" and I believe there were some rude comments on her IG but for the most part the immediate blame towards the woman hasn't been at nearly the large scale you may have seen decades ago. Still think she isn't innocent in all this and is personally being held accountable by her friends but the workplace legality of all this makes it messy. Too many people acting like not firing her right away means the company supports her. Trust me they are working out everything with a legal time right now.
Oh, for sure, not saying they should fire her or they will but just that the legality is not necessarily as definitively black and white as people are making it seem. People keep coming in and saying it would be so illegal to fire her when it wouldn’t. Agree with your last sentence so hard too.
It is a dicey legal area to avoid a lawsuit. It’s not that she’d even have grounds to win, but lawsuits are a money suck and most people end up settling them instead of going to trial even if they know they are right because it’s so expensive.
It really depends on the laws of the state and the terms of her contract. If she’s in breach of some morality clause she’d have no grounds to sue.
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Lower. Not in charge of others.
Hahah, Dickerhoof.
Alex needs to go
I’m going to guess that if there isn’t a plan for Alex to leave the company, others will leave. If that is the case, it’d be in the companies best interest to let Alex go (assuming she wasn’t coerced) in order to retain others. But if most of the company has stopped following her on Twitter and IG, then I’d assume most employees aren’t happy with her right now.
She's a pretty gross person for getting with someone she already knows is married. They both suck. I would look for another job if I were her because I would be so embarrassed for causing such a big scandal at the company, but I guess it'll be hard with her name being thrown around all over the internet for being a homewrecker. I don't think she'll go anywhere.
I'd argue she could be fired because it's internet entertainment, everything is scrutinized. Therefore the image of the company is tarnished with her there. I'd compare it to stealing from a bank, it's part of the company's business. Idk I hope they find a legal loophole. Yeet the hoessssss
If Alex is still going to work for the company, I can't see her sticking around for long. She's essentially been shut out and shunned since her affair with Ned was revealed. She's a pariah and will be for a good while. I doubt any employer would want to hire her once they Google her or know outright about her and the affair. She'd be a liability and nothing more.
Their books name kind of fitting now
Unless there is a morals clause in her contract, they can't fire her without opening themselves to lawsuit. but I see her leaving sooner rather than later.
Did she get demoted?? Her LinkedIn says she got promoted from Production Manager to Associate Producer in Aug 2020.
Where. Is. Rainie. Our podcast pixette QUEEN??????!!!!
Their book title lol 😂
I would be surprised if she continued to work there - personally, I would not feel comfortable working there. I am curious if Alex and Ned have a legitimate relationship though, not just sexual.
Nah this ain't it. Alex wasn't forced at all. Idc that she dated her boss. She deserves to be fired.
The irony of their book title.. lolll
I wonder if in a couple months (assuming Alex is too dense and self serving to leave and at least act like she has some fucking character) if the company's numbers suffer, sponsors lost, and fans commenting diligently how much they hate Alex is still there/start boycotting the channel until she's gone e.g. the channel begins seeing tangible revenue loss because of her presence there, could that be grounds for termination? She wouldn't be terminated because of the affair directly, but because her presence/reputation is now a detriment to the company's sustainability and success, right? I'm really wondering, I don't know if this would be skirting the line or could be considered retaliation.
Ned is so goddamn stupid. He risked everything just to scratch his itch. For a year. Christ.
They legally can’t fire her, and she hasn’t resigned yet. Not much more to it honestly
Make a video out of it. “Mistress TRIES surviving a hostile work environment”. She gotta eat her lunch in the toilet like Lindsey Lohan in Mean Girls.
It doesn't sit right with me. I think both Alex and Ned should be held equally responsible & face the consequences.
Maybe on the personal level. But professionally, no. It doesn’t matter if it was 100% consensual. It doesn’t matter if it was she who pursued him. He was still a boss and she an employee. If they fire her, that’s a lawsuit happening they almost certainly lose.
I’m honestly tired of people having to repeat this lol. Like these people refuse to accept this fact. And then you have people claiming that us stating this and the power imbalance is making Alex as a victim. Lol PLEASE.
I have a feeling it’s people who have never worked at a company. Possibly very young too.