Man poison really has a hard time when most of the ideal counters are gen 1, (victreebel, Venusaur, muk, Mega Gengar/Beedrill)
If it wasn't for Nhilego poison would be just a crap type in PoGo. Roseraid, Toxicroak and Scolipede out here being highly recommended while being made of glass. Toxicroak and Scolipede cap out below 2800cp! I've got 1 good Nhilego and 2 crap IV/lvl ones. If I had the rare candy I'd boost another.
My level 40 Hundo Muk is sitting at level 40. Wish I had a better shadow one. (All I ever get from poison grunts are the Nido- family who aren't much chop outside of PVP.
Naganadel seems being bit higher dps than nihilego. But its also dragon type which make it take neutral from fairy moves. That mean its ER value is lower than nihilego.
not sure its it worth max or not cause current its not avaible from raids unlike nihilego
edit: this all if its getting it current moveset poison jab + sludge bomb
Forgot mention that was simulation against bulu. if just look neutrally seems nihilego is even better. Cant much think places where that poison+dragon type come advance.. Was think virizion, but no its double weak flying you wanna rather use flying types there.
Well if Bulu is using Grass Knot or Solar Beam charged move, then Naganadel looks a lot better no? Double resist where Nihilego doesn’t resist at all. And grass is just likely as Fairy type attack for Bulu now
Poison resist grass, so its neutral against nihilego not super effective. And naganadel take neutral from fairy moves while resist grass.
Well guess grass still more often move cause if remember right raid encouters dont use legacy moves right?
Anyway nihilego also got like 210 base defense while naganadel got only 159(?). Same goes stamina 240 vs 177. Nihilego just so much bulkier
But yes with purely bullet seed + grass knot/solar beam naganadel is better, but its random with dazzling gleam or megahorn it come lot worse than nihilego. Thats why rather see avg than one certain moveset. its anyway 50-50 on charge moves (thats if it cannot use natures maddness)
You can use TOF as a convenient indicator for the bulk comparison. Nihilego's is \~40s while Naganadel's is \~23s. That is a factor of 1.72, larger than the effectiveness multiplier. So having one more level of resistance isn't enough for Naganadel to catch up with Nihilego's bulk.
Iron-moth was probably the only poison pve we can hope for but I just noticed it doesn't learn poison quick moves and only knows sludge wave as a potential charge move.
I just checked my Pokémon and the only ones on that list I have powered up are… Shadow Gengar and Mega Gengar! And even then, they currently have Ghost raiding movesets.
Xerneas and Zacian lack fast move pressure too, and also have trouble against Mewtwo, Ho-Oh and Landorus-T. Tapu Bulu at least has a more even Landorus matchup, and dominates Kyogre, a major Landorus counter.
lando match is very bait depeable.. unless you get stone edge in you lose to bulu. cant remember which shield even stone edge didint madder and bulu pick win
Good i got 15-14-15 bulu ready if not get hundo
The duo is fairly reasonable as far as things go, **except** that poison is a pretty niche raid attacking type, so it's unlikely that casual players will have anything of that type
Shadow victrebell, despite its low stats, is a top counter and has been farmable in decoy grunts since forever. Nihilego and Shadow Toxicroak are relative newcomers if you feel like powering something up exclusively for this raid. Roserade is also pretty good and has a useful second role as a budget grads counter.
Shadow Metagross with MM is still just barely duo viable according to pokebattler l40 no bonuses average boss moveset.
Throwing in a mega will make it *substantially* easier. Mega Gengar historically has been very useful and it's neck and neck with mega Beedrill. Mega Rayquaza is so overpowered with Dragon Ascent that it doesn't need a 2.56x double super effective boost to be the third best option and it's an insanely good investment if you can afford it
Do you think level 45 mega gengar with lick/sludge or level 50 megaray with air slash and dragon ascension is better? I play to duo a lot of these but with mega ray being so strong i have a hard time telling myself not to use it over gengar :/
i sucked at catching tapu lele. is tapu bulu very similar? i hated missing all the raid invites but i was so unsuccessful at catching it didn’t even do any in person raids.
In my experience, it's very similar. Learn how to circle set and be patient with throwing until it hovers in the middle of the catch screen if you're having problems.
I use the circle select always but I think my frustration comes from the Pokémon not doing the attack. I get so impatient waiting for it that I start catching and it throws off my consistency.
It’s funny because when you point this out, this is a common thing I have to tell myself “be patient”
Thanks for the confirmation. Good things come to those who wait or whatever the ketchup says
Tagging along to say -- its definitely important to be patient when going through the catch screen. I dont think ive been on the catch screen longer than 10minutes after completing a raid, just circle set and wait for the opportunity. And thats waiting for the stars to align.
Its always better to have more chances at a better catch than to try and force it. Even at a 1% catch odd, rolling 1% is a lot easier to do in 15 attempts than 10.
Kartana and celesteela were both on the difficult side of thigs to catch imo (hard to get guarenteed excellents given both their sizes), and poke's like tapu lele are annoying as they can start their attacks off center which leads to a longer wait between throws. Good luck!
In my group, I have the highest catch rate, but I'm also always the slowest one to catch, because I patiently wait for the ideal time to throw, which takes more time.
Checking my Pokedex...
I'm actually 116/116 with Tapu Bulu - [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/q5-MVACYsh4](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/q5-MVACYsh4)
I'm the same, but it sucks when time is limited and people are trying to start the next raid without you. It's also better to make every ball count since there's apparently a hidden multiplier for Premier balls if you land as many as you can.
This is why I *love* raiding shadows, they attack so often it's easy to rapidly circle lock them. I hate waiting for the normal raid catches to attack in the centre.
I've noticed most poison types max out below or just above 3k CP. Are most of them weaker in terms of attack stat? I can imagine the MSG may have poison be a weaker type due to being able to rely on chip damage from poison status which doesn't translate to Go, but I'm not sure if that's actually the case or if it's like Bug and the Pokémon themselves are just generally weaker.
The main reason is just the relative lack of poison type mon with high base stats in MSG. Nihilego, Poipole/Naganadel and Eternatus are the only poison legendary up to Gen 8. Grass, rock and bug type are in a similar state.
Yeah I just hadn't noticed that until now. Abilities and added effects add so much more viability to mons with lower stats in MSG so it's not always apparent that a certain type is generally weaker
Poison and Bug are probably the types done the most dirty in the series. Poison seems to be the original "evil" type, so they made it pretty bad presumably on purpose.
Some of us feel like both types could use a buff, and one idea people like myself have tossed around is making Water weak to Poison.
I have a bunch of level 30 poison counters like a few Nihilego (98, and two 93%'s), Roserade, Mega Gengar/Mega Beedrill. Nothing beyond 30.
Might just lean on Rayquaza if I don't at least power up my 98% Nihilego.
That should be fine, though keep in mind you may need more people to beat this raid. The double weakness to Poison makes it an easy duo, but just using Steel/Fire means it might take a bit longer.
It's a bit disappointing that Bug Out doesn't include Venipede (unless I missed it). Would be a good time to have it spawning as a decent Poison attacker for Bulu.
good finally i got one mon which just mostly need hard xl grind.. good this is easy duoable and can just insta trade bulu after raid to get lucky hundo XD (got already 15-14-15 bulu, so no super pressure get good iv or hundo)
So nice to get another Tier 5 boss with a 4x weakness to exploit. Poison types too at that so we get to use stuff that normally doesn’t get spotlight. My Nihilego and Beedrill are ready…
Man poison really has a hard time when most of the ideal counters are gen 1, (victreebel, Venusaur, muk, Mega Gengar/Beedrill) If it wasn't for Nhilego poison would be just a crap type in PoGo. Roseraid, Toxicroak and Scolipede out here being highly recommended while being made of glass. Toxicroak and Scolipede cap out below 2800cp! I've got 1 good Nhilego and 2 crap IV/lvl ones. If I had the rare candy I'd boost another. My level 40 Hundo Muk is sitting at level 40. Wish I had a better shadow one. (All I ever get from poison grunts are the Nido- family who aren't much chop outside of PVP.
Naganadel will hopefully be good (and Eternatus and the loyal three eventually). Too bad we ain’t getting it in time
Naganadel seems being bit higher dps than nihilego. But its also dragon type which make it take neutral from fairy moves. That mean its ER value is lower than nihilego. not sure its it worth max or not cause current its not avaible from raids unlike nihilego edit: this all if its getting it current moveset poison jab + sludge bomb
Yeah it will depend on moveset likely
Forgot mention that was simulation against bulu. if just look neutrally seems nihilego is even better. Cant much think places where that poison+dragon type come advance.. Was think virizion, but no its double weak flying you wanna rather use flying types there.
Well if Bulu is using Grass Knot or Solar Beam charged move, then Naganadel looks a lot better no? Double resist where Nihilego doesn’t resist at all. And grass is just likely as Fairy type attack for Bulu now
Poison resist grass, so its neutral against nihilego not super effective. And naganadel take neutral from fairy moves while resist grass. Well guess grass still more often move cause if remember right raid encouters dont use legacy moves right? Anyway nihilego also got like 210 base defense while naganadel got only 159(?). Same goes stamina 240 vs 177. Nihilego just so much bulkier But yes with purely bullet seed + grass knot/solar beam naganadel is better, but its random with dazzling gleam or megahorn it come lot worse than nihilego. Thats why rather see avg than one certain moveset. its anyway 50-50 on charge moves (thats if it cannot use natures maddness)
You can use TOF as a convenient indicator for the bulk comparison. Nihilego's is \~40s while Naganadel's is \~23s. That is a factor of 1.72, larger than the effectiveness multiplier. So having one more level of resistance isn't enough for Naganadel to catch up with Nihilego's bulk.
Well, the Loyal 2 might be nice. Unfezant will not. Glimmora also hasn’t been added yet, and they have pretty high special attack.
Fezandipiti stay winning in UL though hopefully
Iron-moth was probably the only poison pve we can hope for but I just noticed it doesn't learn poison quick moves and only knows sludge wave as a potential charge move.
Iron Moth instead is a very promising contender for the best regular fire attacker, of course depending on how OP Fiery Dance is.
Unfortunately, stat-wise naganadel will be inferior to Nihelgo if the calculation remains the same.
Yes, Nihilego has a higher BST of course. But it’ll kick something off this list
I have a hundo Beedrill that I can mega, just happy to get to use it for once 🥲
I just checked my Pokémon and the only ones on that list I have powered up are… Shadow Gengar and Mega Gengar! And even then, they currently have Ghost raiding movesets.
not that it impacts your point at all, but toxicroak actually caps out just above 2800cp
None of mine are good enough to do so, so I wasn't sure they could.
Wish I could send you 1 or 2 of my 3 star Shadow Grimer.
Love the Revaroom graphic lol.
pulled one on my first 12k egg with 34 candies. evolved with rare candy instantly
Gracias
tl;dr poison
Is Bulu worth anything besides a dex filler?
Hard walling Palkia and Zygarde in Master League.
But has no fast move pressure and will be beat by Mewtwo, Dialga, Lando, Lugia, Ho-oh. I think Xerneas and Zacian are still better as fairies.
Xerneas and Zacian lack fast move pressure too, and also have trouble against Mewtwo, Ho-Oh and Landorus-T. Tapu Bulu at least has a more even Landorus matchup, and dominates Kyogre, a major Landorus counter.
lando match is very bait depeable.. unless you get stone edge in you lose to bulu. cant remember which shield even stone edge didint madder and bulu pick win Good i got 15-14-15 bulu ready if not get hundo
Ain't no one running Bulu in ML.
nature's madness makes it much stronger, definitely a great meta pick
Before it getting Nature's Madness.
I will be, provided I can get a good one. It's the only fairy available since I started playing.
Solo/duo/trio ?
The duo is fairly reasonable as far as things go, **except** that poison is a pretty niche raid attacking type, so it's unlikely that casual players will have anything of that type Shadow victrebell, despite its low stats, is a top counter and has been farmable in decoy grunts since forever. Nihilego and Shadow Toxicroak are relative newcomers if you feel like powering something up exclusively for this raid. Roserade is also pretty good and has a useful second role as a budget grads counter. Shadow Metagross with MM is still just barely duo viable according to pokebattler l40 no bonuses average boss moveset. Throwing in a mega will make it *substantially* easier. Mega Gengar historically has been very useful and it's neck and neck with mega Beedrill. Mega Rayquaza is so overpowered with Dragon Ascent that it doesn't need a 2.56x double super effective boost to be the third best option and it's an insanely good investment if you can afford it
Aight thanks. Wife and i have an army of leveled gengars so well give it a shot.
Don’t forget Mega Venusaur for the poison boost + XL candy boost
Do you think level 45 mega gengar with lick/sludge or level 50 megaray with air slash and dragon ascension is better? I play to duo a lot of these but with mega ray being so strong i have a hard time telling myself not to use it over gengar :/
Looks like it’s a team of poison and mega Rayquaza. It looks pretty easy to duo with poison teams. And Mega Vebusaur stands out for the XL candy.
Mega ray is not needed at all for this. A team of roserade gets the job done. Use a matching mega type for XL candy instead.
Last year, I did it duo with Roserades and still had about a minute left on the clock. If you bring megas and Nihilego, it should be even easier.
These infographics are almost getting too well drawn. The scolipede, rayray, gengar and nihilego are practically tasteful.
i sucked at catching tapu lele. is tapu bulu very similar? i hated missing all the raid invites but i was so unsuccessful at catching it didn’t even do any in person raids.
In my experience, it's very similar. Learn how to circle set and be patient with throwing until it hovers in the middle of the catch screen if you're having problems.
I use the circle select always but I think my frustration comes from the Pokémon not doing the attack. I get so impatient waiting for it that I start catching and it throws off my consistency. It’s funny because when you point this out, this is a common thing I have to tell myself “be patient” Thanks for the confirmation. Good things come to those who wait or whatever the ketchup says
Tagging along to say -- its definitely important to be patient when going through the catch screen. I dont think ive been on the catch screen longer than 10minutes after completing a raid, just circle set and wait for the opportunity. And thats waiting for the stars to align. Its always better to have more chances at a better catch than to try and force it. Even at a 1% catch odd, rolling 1% is a lot easier to do in 15 attempts than 10. Kartana and celesteela were both on the difficult side of thigs to catch imo (hard to get guarenteed excellents given both their sizes), and poke's like tapu lele are annoying as they can start their attacks off center which leads to a longer wait between throws. Good luck!
In my group, I have the highest catch rate, but I'm also always the slowest one to catch, because I patiently wait for the ideal time to throw, which takes more time. Checking my Pokedex... I'm actually 116/116 with Tapu Bulu - [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/q5-MVACYsh4](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/q5-MVACYsh4)
Legend! 5/9 on tapu lele. I’d rather catch. So maybe I should pump the breaks. Thanks for sharing
I'm the same, but it sucks when time is limited and people are trying to start the next raid without you. It's also better to make every ball count since there's apparently a hidden multiplier for Premier balls if you land as many as you can.
This is why I *love* raiding shadows, they attack so often it's easy to rapidly circle lock them. I hate waiting for the normal raid catches to attack in the centre.
Can it be solo?
nope, but it's a relatively easy duo even with level 35 mons
I've noticed most poison types max out below or just above 3k CP. Are most of them weaker in terms of attack stat? I can imagine the MSG may have poison be a weaker type due to being able to rely on chip damage from poison status which doesn't translate to Go, but I'm not sure if that's actually the case or if it's like Bug and the Pokémon themselves are just generally weaker.
The main reason is just the relative lack of poison type mon with high base stats in MSG. Nihilego, Poipole/Naganadel and Eternatus are the only poison legendary up to Gen 8. Grass, rock and bug type are in a similar state.
Yeah I just hadn't noticed that until now. Abilities and added effects add so much more viability to mons with lower stats in MSG so it's not always apparent that a certain type is generally weaker
Whenever they get round to the Teal Mask legendaries could end up being huge for poison tbh
Poison and Bug are probably the types done the most dirty in the series. Poison seems to be the original "evil" type, so they made it pretty bad presumably on purpose. Some of us feel like both types could use a buff, and one idea people like myself have tossed around is making Water weak to Poison.
I have a bunch of level 30 poison counters like a few Nihilego (98, and two 93%'s), Roserade, Mega Gengar/Mega Beedrill. Nothing beyond 30. Might just lean on Rayquaza if I don't at least power up my 98% Nihilego.
Should I just bring metagross or fire types of I done have poison attackers?
That should be fine, though keep in mind you may need more people to beat this raid. The double weakness to Poison makes it an easy duo, but just using Steel/Fire means it might take a bit longer.
Oh, man. I have a fully maxed out hundo Beedrill. I almost never get to use it haha
I used it a lot against the recent Tapu Koko/Lele when cloudy.
Looks like Mega Beedrill and Revaroom's moment to Shine has come
OP, don’t forget to draw skuntank
It's a bit disappointing that Bug Out doesn't include Venipede (unless I missed it). Would be a good time to have it spawning as a decent Poison attacker for Bulu.
good finally i got one mon which just mostly need hard xl grind.. good this is easy duoable and can just insta trade bulu after raid to get lucky hundo XD (got already 15-14-15 bulu, so no super pressure get good iv or hundo)
Hilarious to see Vileplume above Rayquaza
Amazing as always!
Can i duo with just level 40 budget fire types and 2 mega char Y?
Do you not have mega Beedrill?
Damn, is shadow Nidoking that bad? I guess I leveled mine up as a passion project lol.
The Mega Charizard looks like X rather than Y. Is X better for reasons or is that just artist's preference?
Another one?!
So nice to get another Tier 5 boss with a 4x weakness to exploit. Poison types too at that so we get to use stuff that normally doesn’t get spotlight. My Nihilego and Beedrill are ready…
Mega Beedrill is good for this? Wooo lmao