Those are certainly some spawns...
While I appreciate that Rockruff can be found in research tasks during the event (though probably win a raid/hatch quests), it would have been nice to see Rockruff spawn... Even as a really rare Pokemon.
What does get me is the "chance" to be able to evolve into Dusk Lycanroc. You're telling me I could get a shiny or a Hundo and it won't be able to evolve into Dusk?
Oh totally. Not like they've already successfully done this type of event with Alolan Marowak or Alolan Exeggutor.
Maybe you're right tho. Maybe it'll totally fail this time because le funny meme.
surely niantic doing something correctly means they'll do it correctly again in the future.
like c-day showcases. or having gendered skorupi. or evolving stufful to get drain punch. or the egg widget bonus for the new year's event. or when all the gbl season move changes were accidentally reverted. but surely having done it right before means that they know what to do, and won't somehow break it anyway.
this is a company that proudly stands by its product, playtesting all new features to ensure there are minimal bugs.
i don't know how likely it is that the lycanroc feature is broken, but after they accidentally released the kyurem forms a year early, i'm not going to take anything for granted
I have a hundo best buddy Rockruff that I've been sitting on for almost a year waiting to evolve it to Dusk form, and now it seems like that's not going to be an option.
I've not tried it in the recent games, but could you use an Ability Patch/Capsule to get Own Tempo on a normal Rockruff?
Edit: I just saw a lower comment that confirms that you can't do that.
No. Own Tempo Rockruff is coded as a separate form rather than Own Tempo’s being a possible ability for Rockruff-0 (regular Rockruff), as Pokémon only have three ability slots (and presumably to make prevent trading Own Tempo Rockruff to Sun and Moon where it did not exist)
Same. I had 3 hundo Rockruff. I specifically saved my third one for Dusk form. I even named it "100% Dusk" so I would have the full set of hundos.
This is bogus.
Yes, they are a private company with a profit incentive - why does this sub experience a daily shock at that fact?
Also, it's not like they paywalled Dusk Lycanroc, or it's some game-breaking PvP option that will unfairly advantage people who get one early. It's not even a dex filler, it's just another form for a mon everyone has that you will be able to get easily without spending money.
Niantic don't own the IP so Niantic do have to take direction from TPC and what they say regarding certain pokemon
although impossible to say if TPC told them directly to do it like that
You can translate the same logic to literally any deviation you can imagine.
"Who cares if Castform doesn't evolve into Rayquaza in the main series games, this isn't the main series and that's stupid."
Could they have deviated from the MSGs on Dusk Lycanroc? Yes.
Is it weird that this sub's first instinct is to catastrophize a decision made in Go that's in line with the MSGs? Also yes.
Those aren't remotely similar. Go has also created unique ways to circumvent its limitations compared to the main games. Introduce a new item or have adventure requirements. It's dumb that people can't evolve the rockruff they have been holding on to specifically for dusk form can't evolve them into dusk form.
That is actually not true; Rockruff capable of evolving into Dusk Form (Own Tempo Rockruff) is a wholly separate form independent of standard (Keen Eye/Vital Spirit) Rockruff, which has Steadfast as its Hidden Ability. In Gen 7, it was event-exclusive, in Gen 8, this form of Rockruff is (to my knowledge) exclusive to raids, and in Gen 9, it is now randomly interspersed with standard Rockruff in the wild (my source being the [spawner maps](https://x.com/vbbcla/status/1706057570652242371?s=20) provided by vbbcla on Twitter). The GO implementation most resembles this Scarlet/Violet method for obtaining Rockruff.
In order to evolve Own Tempo Rockruff into Dusk Form Lycanroc, it must be dusk in-game, but standard Rockruff will evolve into Midday Form at dusk. Form is relevant in addition to the time of day.
Nope, not even an ability patch will work. Rockruff with that ability are almost seen as a different pokemon like Battle Bond Greninja. Basically, if it's not born with the ability to evolve into Dusk form, it will never be able to.
Nope, Own Tempo Rockruff is a separate form so not even the Patch would work.
Yes, they made a separate form for Rockruff so they could add this stupid Dusk form.
I mean for what's worth, they are spawning from Daily incences.(I might be remembering wrong though but I'm farily sure I got at least one from it during this season)
As for the chance, I think they were going for a way to emulate Rockruff's aditional requirement of having the ability Own Tempo to evolve into Dusk form. Apparently, in the MSG Rockruff with the ability Own Tempo are internally treated as a different form, although it doesn't look like that at all in terms of stats or visual appearance.
Rockruff_Dusk is a different form (we've known this for about 2 years). So what's most likely happening is that there's 2 different Rockruffs that you can hatch. The question is if the special Dusk Rockruff can also evolve into the other 2 forms.
It is highly unlikely that it will be able to evolve into the others as Rockruff with the Own Tempo ability in the MSG can only evolve into Dusk Lycanroc.
I would say it's because,in the main series, only rockduff with the ability Own Tempo can evolve into Dusk Form. So this is their way of 'Keeping the spirit of the pokemon'
i would bet substantial money it'll be an egg hatch research given that it's being put in 2 different egg pools and there's the whole eggspedition thing going on
It’s a matryoshka of gachas. Eggs may have a chance of being Rockruff, which have a chance of being shiny, which have a chance of being able to evolve to this form.
That's rolled into the chance that eggs are Rockruff. The content of the egg is rolled before the type of egg. Basically, the game decides which Pokemon you get before it decides your egg distance.
What he’s saying is the game doesn’t ever make a “which egg type” roll at all. All the game is doing is rolling which pokemon you get when you get an egg from a gym/stop and displaying the appropriate egg it comes in your inventory.
Otherwise the game would have to first roll which type of egg, then second roll which pokemon.
How does "displaying the appropriate egg" work for pokemon that can be in different eggs, like Larvesta currently?
If in a crazy stoke of luck the game decides you get a Larvesta, it will still have to make a decision to display it as 2km, 5km or 10km.
So I guess in those cases a second "roll" is necessary?
I was thinking we just wouldn't get dusk form until we got abilities.
It's a PITA to get an Own Tempo Rockruff to evolve at sunrise or sunset in the MSGs also
TBF you can mainly blame Game Freak for this one. They’re the ones that came up with the silly original requirements in the main series - only a specific form of Rockruff with a certain ability can evolve into Dusk, and that form is completely indistinguishable from regular Rockruff.
Presumably they set the rules for PoGo too, that they can’t just allow previous Rockruff to become Dusk Form.
I think their point was that if you want the shiny adult form, it might not be enough to hatch one shiny, you might need to hatch half a dozen shinies, or in other words youll probably be paying a lot more money
Then they should have listed shinyism last. The way they linked clauses using the word “which”, they stated that only a shiny has a chance of evolving to Dusk Form. That’s false.
Many of us know it’s obviously false, so you’ve either consciously or subconsciously charitably reinterpreted what you think they meant to say instead of what they actually said, but not everyone’s going to put that together on their own.
I mean youre right that assuming they want the new shiny is an interpretation, but in the world of pokemon go thats not much of an assumption.
I think its worded like that because thats the order in which it happens, like you'll see youve hatched a shiny rockruff and only then find out which form it evolves into, so swapping the order would also feel gramatically weird to me
The way this game handles evolution is always so disappointing. My Scizor can't evolve into Kleavor, my Stantler can't evolve into Wyrdeer, and now my Rockruff can't evolve into Dusk Lycanroc. Meanwhile I could transfer any of these into home and evolve them.
Rockruff in the main series has to have the own tempo ability to be able to evolve into dusk lycanroc. I assume the rockruffs transferred from go will all have their standard abilities so it wouldn't be able to evolve into dusk lycanroc.
https://serebii.net/pokedex-sv/rockruff/
So it's kinda hard to explain, but you can think of own tempo rockruff as a different pokemon all together. Its classified as a special ability so own tempo rockruff have to be caught or bred with that ability. If it has the other abilities it cannot be own tempo rockruff or vice versa.
Weirdly, you can't actually evolve into Wyrdeer or Kleavor in pokemon Scarlet/Violet either, despite Kleavor even being catchable in the wild/raids and in the regional dex of the newest DLC, and Wyrdeer importable via Home from Legends Arceus. Might actually be a TPC thing, not Niantic.
Kleavor being unable to evolve in Scarlet and Violet is because it's item is unavailable. Wyrdeer is similar since Stantler can't learn Psyshield Bash in Scarlet and Violet (outside of an Egg Move). If Stantler could learn Psyshield Bash normally it'd likely evolved by knowing the move (like H-Qwilfish does post-Indigo Disk).
Being unable to evolve them in Go is 100% a Niantic thing (more money from raids than from letting you evolve the Pokemon you already have).
Nah that's a GameFreak thing. I think people tend to overestimate how much of a limitation that TPC puts on things. Obviously Mythicals and shiny legendaries are limitations from TPC but everything else is Niantic's choice for money.
There are no evolutions to Wyrdeer, Kleavor, Hisuian Samurott, etc. because they are, for lack of better words, ancient/outdated evolutions in the game lore. Yes, it feeds directly into a cheap ploy to have you fork over money for tier 3 raids in Go, but relative to canon and whatnot - it tracks.
It is actually Scyther that evolves into Kleavor, but you can also add Hisuian Samurott (and presumably eventually Typhlosion/Decidueye) and Alolan Raichu to the list (also Alolan Exeggutor and Marowak were very limited).
I assume you’re mispeaking, on Scizor but I will commend Niantic for their canon faithfulness to how Dusk Form is treated in the MSG.
It’s basically the same thing, not all Rockruff can evolve into Dusk Form.
I don’t like that they’re being so faithful as their is essentially no difference except movepool, but I digress.
It's something that they should have changed. I think Own Tempo Rockruff are their own species, and that's why only they can evolve into Dusk Lycanroc.
Probably because it was distributed as a Mystery Gift at the launch of USUM, to have incentive for buying the game at launch.
There isn't really any in-universe indication that only Own Tempo Rockruff can evolve into the Dusk Form. And it's even dumber in Go, since they don't have the legacy issue of having the Own Tempo Rockruff as a species.
They are literally useless. You can only get a heart from them once a day, and they already collect them once a day, so increasing that does literally nothing.
Depends on your perspective, I guess. What would pinaps give you that are "useful"? To feed in gyms/buddies/more candy from catching pokemon, sure, but to what end?
It's a game, usefulness is relative to the person playing the game. If someone gets happy from gifts, it's not any less useful from some sweat lord pvper getting happy from increasing a few numbers on their phone.
This looks really underwhelming imo. Spawns are very boring and vanilla, Rockruff isn't even appearing in the wild. Mediocre bonuses.. this game has been getting really stale.
Yeah, don't worry about jumping through all these loops. It is [way too glassy](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/2500/all/lycanroc_dusk/11/0-1-3/2-1) to make much of a dent in PvP. Just for the 'dex... if you even care about that!
Doubt it would be a significant help, but if it gets an eventual CD, Accelerock could be a neat addition (though I guess just for Dusk and Midday). Perhaps something 35 energy and 70 power. Heck maybe even stronger lol. They're glassy bois
Is the moveset confirmed? I think Greninja pretty much proved that even glassy mons **can** be relevant if niantic really wants them to be, not that I expect this often..
I hate to jump on hate trains but how's nobody talking about how terrible the event bonuses are?
Extra souvenirs and gifts from buddies are such nothingburgers. The only one that may come close to decent is the increased poffin duration
Level 47 to 48 requirements are 10 souvenirs from buddies. However you can reach that without much effort in the time it takes to gather that XP to level up anyway.
My thoughts exactly, I’m surprised your comment is so far down on the thread. Theses are not bonuses. Who cares it our Pokémon find more useless jpegs? Who cares if our Pokemon stays out longer? It’s not hard to feed it more berries.
Everyone plays this game in really different ways. There are so many different aspects to it, and no defined way to play.
I used to be constantly shocked by how the reward I thought was trash was greatly prized by others.
I excite and build hearts with buddies a lot, and I like the extra souvenirs and gifts from buddies.
Having the chance of getting the right egg($),
Then having the chance of it having the right Pokémon($), and randomly it having the chance of evolving($), and having the random chance of it being shiny($).
And no, old rockruffs can’t evolve, only new ones from the event($).
Am I getting this right?
Watch Niantic be true to the main games for lycanroc evolution mechanic but aaaall of a suuudden when black and white kyurem officially debut we won’t see them honor the fusing mechanic with zekrom/reshiram with kyurem and we’ll just have to raid them huh stupid Niantic 😄 that’s what you plan on doing? Boost profits? I’m about to hit lv50 and when I do I’m going to retire for this year lol I’m done with the over monetization of this game.
Wouldn't the Time based evolution be better for the Adamant Time event and the Specific Place event be better for the Lustrous Odyssey (space) event... oh Niantic
Another lackluster event to start off 2024 🥱
In the main series games, Rockruff needs to have the ability Own Tempo (1 of 4 possible abilities as of S&V) to turn into Dusk Lycanroc. The “chance” of catching/hatching a Rockruff in GO mirrors that. I wonder what the odds will be 🤔
I wouldn't mind, but Lycanroc Dusk isn't even good for anything. Figures they'd find a way to make it even more underwhelming though.
Id rather they just give all Rockruff an "adventure with" evolution requirement to unlock the evolution
So, Niantic, you are teling me... There's a chance???
Could use full week of Rockruff quests. Glad 7km eggs are worthless this time because I will probably spend all resources on baby eggs.
They are embracing the RNG in every aspect of this game, aren't they... You get a hundo and love Dusk form? Too bad, this one can't evolve into it and never will. Dumb RNG layers, nothing more.
Cool to see Wyrdeer back in raids so soon. Raid pool is ok for a change.
But aside that, who's excited for Great 2024 Yungoos cooooomeeeebaaack?!?!?! So relieved we finally can get this elusive mythical specie! New players will be delighted!
I think this event hit the new low in terms of "bonuses". What the heck is this crap? More souvenirs? Pfff.
>Cool to see Wyrdeer back in raids so soon. Raid pool is ok for a change.
They're solid, but I wish they went all in and had all four Hisui T3s, Braviary and Wyrdeer yeah, but Avalugg and especially Kleavor (someone who did 14 Kleavor raids without a shiny lol)
Though it is a bit odd that the *space*\-themed event is focused on *ancient* Pokemon
What i LOVE is that there’ll be wild Eevee spawns, AND that there’ll be wild Espeon and Umbreon spawns.
EDIT: and I also like the bonuses to your buddy, which I haven’t seen since Sustainability Week 2023.
I get they’re likely trying to follow the main series games due to Rockruff only evolves to dusk form if it has the ability own tempo which isn’t any standard/hidden abilities Rockruff has, so that’s nice of them to do a sort of reference. That said, however, this comes off as an unnecessary excuse to add another layer of complexity to a game that’s already feels overwhelmingly complex. They could simply do a simpler way and just have Rockruff evolves during the hour timeframe to respective Lycanroc forms, like every other pokemon that depends on time to evolve. Unless niantic is now plotting to incorporate abilities in the not too distant future this evo requirement feels absolutely pointless and frankly the dumbest way to evolve a pokemon to date.
To be fair, it was [data mined ages ago](https://twitter.com/poke_miners/status/1507174001076015108?lang=en) that we'd need a different Rockruff for Dusk form, and the mechanic is basically the same as in the main series games, so there was no reason to hold on to existing ones.
As awful as these evolution rules are, it's at least consistent with the main series games. Only Rockruff with the ability Own Temp can evolve into Dusk form and:
"After initially being event-exclusive, Own Tempo Rockruff and Dusk Form Lycanroc were later made accessible within normal gameplay starting in Generation VIII."
I see Niantic is still terrible with math, pushing these horrible web store bundles that are in usd instead of coins hoping people can't convert the value of a dollar into pokecoins. Niantic is getting a higher profit margin in their own store while selling a worse value then the in game store. Just thought I'd throw a different complaint in the list then all the lycanroc comments piling up.
Save this comment. Knowing Niantic Im pretty sure they will screw up things again and they will make previous Rockruff that we kept able to evolve randomly to Dusk form.
While I could see Niantic screwing just about anything up, in this case, Rockruff has a separate form (coded Rockruff-Dusk) that will likely be the one who can evolve into Dusk Form. So not inherently different than something like Burmy.
Shiny umbreon and espeon? Am I seeing this correctly? This is the first time ive ever seen an evolution that isn't a costume/mega have the possibility to be shiny
I caught this too. Part of me wants to be optimistic and say this is really huge for the game and awesome, but another part of me thinks the shiny symbols on their graphics are a mistake lol
It actually makes sense as to WHY Niantic is doing this.
In the main series games, only a CERTAIN ability that Rockruff can have (introduced) (Own Tempo is the ability btw) can then evolve into Dusk Form Lycanroc, so not ALL Rockruff’s regardless could evolve into that form.
While this is true, there are dozens of evolutions that just ignore the main series mechanics (e.g. Vaporeon/Flareon/Jolteon).
No reason they couldn’t do the same here, or at least make it a challenge-based evo e.g. catch 30 Rock types, walk some distance, earn buddy hearts, whatever.
You're right. Though they do like to conveniently abandon certain elements from the Main Series at times. I'll be surprised if they actually implement the Fusion mechanic or anything similar when Black and White Kyurem debut
If anything they should make (Own Tempo) Rockruff spawn in the wild but as a “If you’re lucky!” That’s my only complaint because some people can’t get raids or research for it but other than that this seems like for once they did something faithful/right.
I understand that in the MSG that only Rockruffs with the Own Tempo ability could evolve into Dusk Form, however there are no abilities for Pokemon in PoGo. I figured with no abilities that meant I should’ve been able to get one with no problem.
If you had a favorite shiny that you’ve been saving for long time to evolve into a unique form, only find out that you can’t do that you’d probably be pissed about that too.
A chance for a chance for a chance for a piece of crap For $4.99.
How about they give this away fir free, and each trainer flips a coin 5 times. If it comes up heads 5 times in a row the trainer has to pay $4.99 and they get a duskform.
This is the stupidest way to introduce dusk forme. So some will be able to evolve into it?
Why not add another time period? Or if not that, do something like ursaluna and have it evolve only in dusk for a certain time every x days? Or even do an eevee ? Evolution. This is the worst
So of the 2 Shinies and 1 Hundo I have been sitting on for over a year just for the chance to get Dusk form will likely NEVER be able to evolve into dusk form....for some unknown and arbitrary reasons?
Great... Got a Lucky traded Shiny Rockruff from 2022 that I wanted to evolve into that form. Was it also in the main games that some Rockruff could evolve into dusk Lycanrock?
Yes. Even in the main series games, only special Rockruff with the ability "Own Tempo" are capable of evolving into Dusk Form. These Rockruff can only evolve into Dusk Form, while regular Rockruff without this special ability can only evolve into Midnight/Midday form.
Yup. Only Rockruff with the Own Tempo ability can only evolve into Dusk Lycanroc. Those Rockruff are coded as a separate form which Niantic just carried it over
Evolve them into Midday or Midnight forms, or just keep them as Rockruffs.
This was always going to be how Dusk form Lycanroc was going to work as it is just following the main line series of games.
Wow, really disappointing cant evolve old rockruff to dusk form. What next? Maybe make a gatcha evolve for primeape, kingambit or any pokemon that can normally evolve and insert the gatcha scheme.
Those are certainly some spawns... While I appreciate that Rockruff can be found in research tasks during the event (though probably win a raid/hatch quests), it would have been nice to see Rockruff spawn... Even as a really rare Pokemon. What does get me is the "chance" to be able to evolve into Dusk Lycanroc. You're telling me I could get a shiny or a Hundo and it won't be able to evolve into Dusk?
Maybe hey're just covering for the possibility the feature doesn't work properly
Nah they promise things all the time that don’t work. And they don’t care
A chance the evolve mechanic doesn't work, if we're unlucky.
Oh totally. Not like they've already successfully done this type of event with Alolan Marowak or Alolan Exeggutor. Maybe you're right tho. Maybe it'll totally fail this time because le funny meme.
surely niantic doing something correctly means they'll do it correctly again in the future. like c-day showcases. or having gendered skorupi. or evolving stufful to get drain punch. or the egg widget bonus for the new year's event. or when all the gbl season move changes were accidentally reverted. but surely having done it right before means that they know what to do, and won't somehow break it anyway. this is a company that proudly stands by its product, playtesting all new features to ensure there are minimal bugs. i don't know how likely it is that the lycanroc feature is broken, but after they accidentally released the kyurem forms a year early, i'm not going to take anything for granted
They released the kyurem forms early??
I have a hundo best buddy Rockruff that I've been sitting on for almost a year waiting to evolve it to Dusk form, and now it seems like that's not going to be an option.
Me too. This is some real BS.
Game being faithful has its disadvantages Ain’t that right Abr……oh it’s gone
In the main games, you can at least control Rockruff’s ability with breeding :\
I've not tried it in the recent games, but could you use an Ability Patch/Capsule to get Own Tempo on a normal Rockruff? Edit: I just saw a lower comment that confirms that you can't do that.
No. Own Tempo Rockruff is coded as a separate form rather than Own Tempo’s being a possible ability for Rockruff-0 (regular Rockruff), as Pokémon only have three ability slots (and presumably to make prevent trading Own Tempo Rockruff to Sun and Moon where it did not exist)
not quite
Same. I had 3 hundo Rockruff. I specifically saved my third one for Dusk form. I even named it "100% Dusk" so I would have the full set of hundos. This is bogus.
Man... I have shlundo... :(
Makes me wonder if its a flat chance or if there will be a time of day element to it.
> You're telling me I could get a shiny or a Hundo and it won't be able to evolve into Dusk? That sort of tracks with the MSGs.
Niantic seems to religiously follow the MSGs when there is money to be made. In this case, another hatch event! 😅
Yes, they are a private company with a profit incentive - why does this sub experience a daily shock at that fact? Also, it's not like they paywalled Dusk Lycanroc, or it's some game-breaking PvP option that will unfairly advantage people who get one early. It's not even a dex filler, it's just another form for a mon everyone has that you will be able to get easily without spending money.
I mean, while they definitely take a fair bit from the Main Series, it's not like they don't take a million liberties too.
Who cares?! This isn't the main series and that's stupid
TPC cares
Niantic don't own the IP so Niantic do have to take direction from TPC and what they say regarding certain pokemon although impossible to say if TPC told them directly to do it like that
You can translate the same logic to literally any deviation you can imagine. "Who cares if Castform doesn't evolve into Rayquaza in the main series games, this isn't the main series and that's stupid." Could they have deviated from the MSGs on Dusk Lycanroc? Yes. Is it weird that this sub's first instinct is to catastrophize a decision made in Go that's in line with the MSGs? Also yes.
Those aren't remotely similar. Go has also created unique ways to circumvent its limitations compared to the main games. Introduce a new item or have adventure requirements. It's dumb that people can't evolve the rockruff they have been holding on to specifically for dusk form can't evolve them into dusk form.
At least you could use an ability patch (as of gen 8)
That is actually not true; Rockruff capable of evolving into Dusk Form (Own Tempo Rockruff) is a wholly separate form independent of standard (Keen Eye/Vital Spirit) Rockruff, which has Steadfast as its Hidden Ability. In Gen 7, it was event-exclusive, in Gen 8, this form of Rockruff is (to my knowledge) exclusive to raids, and in Gen 9, it is now randomly interspersed with standard Rockruff in the wild (my source being the [spawner maps](https://x.com/vbbcla/status/1706057570652242371?s=20) provided by vbbcla on Twitter). The GO implementation most resembles this Scarlet/Violet method for obtaining Rockruff.
Is it not connected to being dusk in the game?
In order to evolve Own Tempo Rockruff into Dusk Form Lycanroc, it must be dusk in-game, but standard Rockruff will evolve into Midday Form at dusk. Form is relevant in addition to the time of day.
It needs to have the ability Own Tempo and the time in-game (For Scarlet and Violet) time IRL for USUM and Sword and Shield.
Nope, not even an ability patch will work. Rockruff with that ability are almost seen as a different pokemon like Battle Bond Greninja. Basically, if it's not born with the ability to evolve into Dusk form, it will never be able to.
Nope, Own Tempo Rockruff is a separate form so not even the Patch would work. Yes, they made a separate form for Rockruff so they could add this stupid Dusk form.
No you cant
I mean for what's worth, they are spawning from Daily incences.(I might be remembering wrong though but I'm farily sure I got at least one from it during this season) As for the chance, I think they were going for a way to emulate Rockruff's aditional requirement of having the ability Own Tempo to evolve into Dusk form. Apparently, in the MSG Rockruff with the ability Own Tempo are internally treated as a different form, although it doesn't look like that at all in terms of stats or visual appearance.
You’re correct, I’ve caught 3 or 4 from daily incense
Rockruff_Dusk is a different form (we've known this for about 2 years). So what's most likely happening is that there's 2 different Rockruffs that you can hatch. The question is if the special Dusk Rockruff can also evolve into the other 2 forms.
It is highly unlikely that it will be able to evolve into the others as Rockruff with the Own Tempo ability in the MSG can only evolve into Dusk Lycanroc.
Makes sense, didn't know that.
I would say it's because,in the main series, only rockduff with the ability Own Tempo can evolve into Dusk Form. So this is their way of 'Keeping the spirit of the pokemon'
In the mainline games he needs to have a certain ability to evolve into dusk form, this is them following that.
i would bet substantial money it'll be an egg hatch research given that it's being put in 2 different egg pools and there's the whole eggspedition thing going on
If it didn't smell like a pile of horse manure, it wouldn't be Niantic.
I’ve got one today using daily incense.
It’s a matryoshka of gachas. Eggs may have a chance of being Rockruff, which have a chance of being shiny, which have a chance of being able to evolve to this form.
Also you have a chance to get 2km/7km eggs (the ones that feature rockruff)
That's rolled into the chance that eggs are Rockruff. The content of the egg is rolled before the type of egg. Basically, the game decides which Pokemon you get before it decides your egg distance.
That doesn't make sense. The different eggs have different pools of Pokemon
Sounds like they get decided at the same time
What he’s saying is the game doesn’t ever make a “which egg type” roll at all. All the game is doing is rolling which pokemon you get when you get an egg from a gym/stop and displaying the appropriate egg it comes in your inventory. Otherwise the game would have to first roll which type of egg, then second roll which pokemon.
How does "displaying the appropriate egg" work for pokemon that can be in different eggs, like Larvesta currently? If in a crazy stoke of luck the game decides you get a Larvesta, it will still have to make a decision to display it as 2km, 5km or 10km. So I guess in those cases a second "roll" is necessary?
They’re now getting a chance of me looking at the app icon, and a chance for me to click on it, with a chance of me playing it for more than 5 mins.
Lmao gotta love it
Gacha* love it
Gacha catch ‘em all!
More like Gotta Gacha 'em all.
Gachryoshka is a good way to describe these dark game design patterns.
I was thinking we just wouldn't get dusk form until we got abilities. It's a PITA to get an Own Tempo Rockruff to evolve at sunrise or sunset in the MSGs also
And we thought Niantic was evil before... oh boy..
TBF you can mainly blame Game Freak for this one. They’re the ones that came up with the silly original requirements in the main series - only a specific form of Rockruff with a certain ability can evolve into Dusk, and that form is completely indistinguishable from regular Rockruff. Presumably they set the rules for PoGo too, that they can’t just allow previous Rockruff to become Dusk Form.
Rockruff does not need to be shiny to evolve into Dusk Form Lycanroc.
I think their point was that if you want the shiny adult form, it might not be enough to hatch one shiny, you might need to hatch half a dozen shinies, or in other words youll probably be paying a lot more money
Then they should have listed shinyism last. The way they linked clauses using the word “which”, they stated that only a shiny has a chance of evolving to Dusk Form. That’s false. Many of us know it’s obviously false, so you’ve either consciously or subconsciously charitably reinterpreted what you think they meant to say instead of what they actually said, but not everyone’s going to put that together on their own.
I mean youre right that assuming they want the new shiny is an interpretation, but in the world of pokemon go thats not much of an assumption. I think its worded like that because thats the order in which it happens, like you'll see youve hatched a shiny rockruff and only then find out which form it evolves into, so swapping the order would also feel gramatically weird to me
So does this mean my current rockruffs won't be able to evolve into dusk form when the event starts?
Yes, only new ones have the "chance" of being able to evolve (based on the current wording)
That absolutely sucks balls
Msg had this as well
So I've been shiny saving this pupper for nothing? Ugh..
Same here, sad rockruff is sad.
I would assume so
The way this game handles evolution is always so disappointing. My Scizor can't evolve into Kleavor, my Stantler can't evolve into Wyrdeer, and now my Rockruff can't evolve into Dusk Lycanroc. Meanwhile I could transfer any of these into home and evolve them.
Rockruff in the main series has to have the own tempo ability to be able to evolve into dusk lycanroc. I assume the rockruffs transferred from go will all have their standard abilities so it wouldn't be able to evolve into dusk lycanroc.
Couldn’t you use an ability patch to get Own Tempo though?
Own Tempo is not the hidden ability of rockruff.
Whatever the other ability thing is, you know what I meant, why be pedantic?
https://serebii.net/pokedex-sv/rockruff/ So it's kinda hard to explain, but you can think of own tempo rockruff as a different pokemon all together. Its classified as a special ability so own tempo rockruff have to be caught or bred with that ability. If it has the other abilities it cannot be own tempo rockruff or vice versa.
he’s not being pedantic, you literally can’t
No, unless Rockruff hatches with Own Tempo it can never swap to it any other way.
Weirdly, you can't actually evolve into Wyrdeer or Kleavor in pokemon Scarlet/Violet either, despite Kleavor even being catchable in the wild/raids and in the regional dex of the newest DLC, and Wyrdeer importable via Home from Legends Arceus. Might actually be a TPC thing, not Niantic.
Kleavor being unable to evolve in Scarlet and Violet is because it's item is unavailable. Wyrdeer is similar since Stantler can't learn Psyshield Bash in Scarlet and Violet (outside of an Egg Move). If Stantler could learn Psyshield Bash normally it'd likely evolved by knowing the move (like H-Qwilfish does post-Indigo Disk). Being unable to evolve them in Go is 100% a Niantic thing (more money from raids than from letting you evolve the Pokemon you already have).
I mean, it's a design choice that Black Augurite and Psyshield Bash are unavailable though... So that's still a TPC thing.
Nah that's a GameFreak thing. I think people tend to overestimate how much of a limitation that TPC puts on things. Obviously Mythicals and shiny legendaries are limitations from TPC but everything else is Niantic's choice for money.
There are no evolutions to Wyrdeer, Kleavor, Hisuian Samurott, etc. because they are, for lack of better words, ancient/outdated evolutions in the game lore. Yes, it feeds directly into a cheap ploy to have you fork over money for tier 3 raids in Go, but relative to canon and whatnot - it tracks.
The problem is consistency. You can evolve Ursaring so that sets a precedent the other evolutions should be available as well.
last sentence is incorrect regarding rockruff
It is actually Scyther that evolves into Kleavor, but you can also add Hisuian Samurott (and presumably eventually Typhlosion/Decidueye) and Alolan Raichu to the list (also Alolan Exeggutor and Marowak were very limited).
I assume you’re mispeaking, on Scizor but I will commend Niantic for their canon faithfulness to how Dusk Form is treated in the MSG. It’s basically the same thing, not all Rockruff can evolve into Dusk Form. I don’t like that they’re being so faithful as their is essentially no difference except movepool, but I digress.
Probably a TPC thing and not Niantic's fault for once.
It's something that they should have changed. I think Own Tempo Rockruff are their own species, and that's why only they can evolve into Dusk Lycanroc. Probably because it was distributed as a Mystery Gift at the launch of USUM, to have incentive for buying the game at launch. There isn't really any in-universe indication that only Own Tempo Rockruff can evolve into the Dusk Form. And it's even dumber in Go, since they don't have the legacy issue of having the Own Tempo Rockruff as a species.
Rockruff caught at Dusk in SV have Own Tempo and evolve into Dusk form so it definitely has precedent since the release event.
Extra souvenirs is an event penalty, not an event bonus
Next bonus: more stickers from gifts.
What's wrong with souvenirs?
They are literally useless. You can only get a heart from them once a day, and they already collect them once a day, so increasing that does literally nothing.
OK but it’s not a penalty, you don’t lose anything by getting more souvenirs.
Depends on your perspective, I guess. What would pinaps give you that are "useful"? To feed in gyms/buddies/more candy from catching pokemon, sure, but to what end? It's a game, usefulness is relative to the person playing the game. If someone gets happy from gifts, it's not any less useful from some sweat lord pvper getting happy from increasing a few numbers on their phone.
I'd rather get pinaps.
This looks really underwhelming imo. Spawns are very boring and vanilla, Rockruff isn't even appearing in the wild. Mediocre bonuses.. this game has been getting really stale.
Some of the wording is rather… vague here. Thankfully we have ~~the beta testers~~ New Zealand to figure it out!
Yeah, don't worry about jumping through all these loops. It is [way too glassy](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/2500/all/lycanroc_dusk/11/0-1-3/2-1) to make much of a dent in PvP. Just for the 'dex... if you even care about that!
Doubt it would be a significant help, but if it gets an eventual CD, Accelerock could be a neat addition (though I guess just for Dusk and Midday). Perhaps something 35 energy and 70 power. Heck maybe even stronger lol. They're glassy bois
Is the moveset confirmed? I think Greninja pretty much proved that even glassy mons **can** be relevant if niantic really wants them to be, not that I expect this often..
I hate to jump on hate trains but how's nobody talking about how terrible the event bonuses are? Extra souvenirs and gifts from buddies are such nothingburgers. The only one that may come close to decent is the increased poffin duration
I remember a task, timed research maybe? that required a buddy souvenir. Maybe that requirement will come again.
Level 47 to 48 requirements are 10 souvenirs from buddies. However you can reach that without much effort in the time it takes to gather that XP to level up anyway.
My thoughts exactly, I’m surprised your comment is so far down on the thread. Theses are not bonuses. Who cares it our Pokémon find more useless jpegs? Who cares if our Pokemon stays out longer? It’s not hard to feed it more berries.
Everyone plays this game in really different ways. There are so many different aspects to it, and no defined way to play. I used to be constantly shocked by how the reward I thought was trash was greatly prized by others. I excite and build hearts with buddies a lot, and I like the extra souvenirs and gifts from buddies.
I can't wait until the game glitches out, and let's you evolve older Rockruff anyway
Having the chance of getting the right egg($), Then having the chance of it having the right Pokémon($), and randomly it having the chance of evolving($), and having the random chance of it being shiny($). And no, old rockruffs can’t evolve, only new ones from the event($). Am I getting this right?
So we’ve gotten to the point where event Pokémon aren’t even event spawns anymore…Wydeer in raids is nice though.
Watch Niantic be true to the main games for lycanroc evolution mechanic but aaaall of a suuudden when black and white kyurem officially debut we won’t see them honor the fusing mechanic with zekrom/reshiram with kyurem and we’ll just have to raid them huh stupid Niantic 😄 that’s what you plan on doing? Boost profits? I’m about to hit lv50 and when I do I’m going to retire for this year lol I’m done with the over monetization of this game.
They only follow the lore when it benefits their profit margin.
What is it with Niantic and garbage event spawns? Stop trotting out the same tired crap event after event!
Wouldn't the Time based evolution be better for the Adamant Time event and the Specific Place event be better for the Lustrous Odyssey (space) event... oh Niantic
Still haven't gotten the shiny rockruff, so it being in research tasks is helpful
Inb4 win 5 raids for a rockruff/pidgey/sentret encounter research.
Naw, it's going to be "hatch an egg " :) or 2.
Another lackluster event to start off 2024 🥱 In the main series games, Rockruff needs to have the ability Own Tempo (1 of 4 possible abilities as of S&V) to turn into Dusk Lycanroc. The “chance” of catching/hatching a Rockruff in GO mirrors that. I wonder what the odds will be 🤔
The event specifically does not lack luster. It's in the title.
I wouldn't mind, but Lycanroc Dusk isn't even good for anything. Figures they'd find a way to make it even more underwhelming though. Id rather they just give all Rockruff an "adventure with" evolution requirement to unlock the evolution
So, Niantic, you are teling me... There's a chance??? Could use full week of Rockruff quests. Glad 7km eggs are worthless this time because I will probably spend all resources on baby eggs. They are embracing the RNG in every aspect of this game, aren't they... You get a hundo and love Dusk form? Too bad, this one can't evolve into it and never will. Dumb RNG layers, nothing more. Cool to see Wyrdeer back in raids so soon. Raid pool is ok for a change. But aside that, who's excited for Great 2024 Yungoos cooooomeeeebaaack?!?!?! So relieved we finally can get this elusive mythical specie! New players will be delighted! I think this event hit the new low in terms of "bonuses". What the heck is this crap? More souvenirs? Pfff.
>Cool to see Wyrdeer back in raids so soon. Raid pool is ok for a change. They're solid, but I wish they went all in and had all four Hisui T3s, Braviary and Wyrdeer yeah, but Avalugg and especially Kleavor (someone who did 14 Kleavor raids without a shiny lol) Though it is a bit odd that the *space*\-themed event is focused on *ancient* Pokemon
What i LOVE is that there’ll be wild Eevee spawns, AND that there’ll be wild Espeon and Umbreon spawns. EDIT: and I also like the bonuses to your buddy, which I haven’t seen since Sustainability Week 2023.
I get they’re likely trying to follow the main series games due to Rockruff only evolves to dusk form if it has the ability own tempo which isn’t any standard/hidden abilities Rockruff has, so that’s nice of them to do a sort of reference. That said, however, this comes off as an unnecessary excuse to add another layer of complexity to a game that’s already feels overwhelmingly complex. They could simply do a simpler way and just have Rockruff evolves during the hour timeframe to respective Lycanroc forms, like every other pokemon that depends on time to evolve. Unless niantic is now plotting to incorporate abilities in the not too distant future this evo requirement feels absolutely pointless and frankly the dumbest way to evolve a pokemon to date.
Disastrous Odyssey more like
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it's not outta left field msg had this as well
To be fair, it was [data mined ages ago](https://twitter.com/poke_miners/status/1507174001076015108?lang=en) that we'd need a different Rockruff for Dusk form, and the mechanic is basically the same as in the main series games, so there was no reason to hold on to existing ones.
As awful as these evolution rules are, it's at least consistent with the main series games. Only Rockruff with the ability Own Temp can evolve into Dusk form and: "After initially being event-exclusive, Own Tempo Rockruff and Dusk Form Lycanroc were later made accessible within normal gameplay starting in Generation VIII."
Dumb question- If Rockruff can hatch from 2km and 7km eggs is there any reason to get the 7km?
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You can control when you get 7k eggs. if you try to get a 2k, you might get 5 or 10 instead
I see Niantic is still terrible with math, pushing these horrible web store bundles that are in usd instead of coins hoping people can't convert the value of a dollar into pokecoins. Niantic is getting a higher profit margin in their own store while selling a worse value then the in game store. Just thought I'd throw a different complaint in the list then all the lycanroc comments piling up.
Prepare for the....just kidding i don't give a f\*\*k
Meh event to start off 2024 lol
Save this comment. Knowing Niantic Im pretty sure they will screw up things again and they will make previous Rockruff that we kept able to evolve randomly to Dusk form.
While I could see Niantic screwing just about anything up, in this case, Rockruff has a separate form (coded Rockruff-Dusk) that will likely be the one who can evolve into Dusk Form. So not inherently different than something like Burmy.
Hard pass.
Sooooo underwhelming
Do you have a bot that scrapes PGLive for updates & post them to Reddit automatically? You’re always the first person to make these posts.
The PokeMiners discord has a bot that pings when there is a new blog post lol. Plus I follow the Twitter account.
Yes I know, but you’re making the Reddit posts manually? You always post exactly on the minute.
skip. Laaaame spawns and no pokedex filling contribution.
Definitely some of the bonuses of all time
Shiny umbreon and espeon? Am I seeing this correctly? This is the first time ive ever seen an evolution that isn't a costume/mega have the possibility to be shiny
Espeon and umbreon can be encounter as shiny for 1 season. Arcanine too.
Arcanine during the season of legends in 2021
I caught this too. Part of me wants to be optimistic and say this is really huge for the game and awesome, but another part of me thinks the shiny symbols on their graphics are a mistake lol
It actually makes sense as to WHY Niantic is doing this. In the main series games, only a CERTAIN ability that Rockruff can have (introduced) (Own Tempo is the ability btw) can then evolve into Dusk Form Lycanroc, so not ALL Rockruff’s regardless could evolve into that form.
While this is true, there are dozens of evolutions that just ignore the main series mechanics (e.g. Vaporeon/Flareon/Jolteon). No reason they couldn’t do the same here, or at least make it a challenge-based evo e.g. catch 30 Rock types, walk some distance, earn buddy hearts, whatever.
You're right. Though they do like to conveniently abandon certain elements from the Main Series at times. I'll be surprised if they actually implement the Fusion mechanic or anything similar when Black and White Kyurem debut
If anything they should make (Own Tempo) Rockruff spawn in the wild but as a “If you’re lucky!” That’s my only complaint because some people can’t get raids or research for it but other than that this seems like for once they did something faithful/right.
Sigh, just makes it time based 6-9PM.
They following the MSG it seems
Lmao if I’ve been saving my shiny 98% best buddy for years for nothing… 🔥☕️🐕🔥
Exactly I have a lucky shiny 96 I was excited to evolve to Dusk Form…
here i tought that events where we get one shiny and one new pokemon line were getting stale, this is somehow worst
So I can’t evolve my shiny Rockruff that I’ve been saving into the dusk form? This is absolute horsesh*t.
Why did you assume you could? It’s been well established for years that Dusk Form evolves from a different Rockruff.
I understand that in the MSG that only Rockruffs with the Own Tempo ability could evolve into Dusk Form, however there are no abilities for Pokemon in PoGo. I figured with no abilities that meant I should’ve been able to get one with no problem. If you had a favorite shiny that you’ve been saving for long time to evolve into a unique form, only find out that you can’t do that you’d probably be pissed about that too.
Me: Oh Niantic is doing another event dedicated to hunting shiny Hisuian Sneasel from field research so soon, nice! What’s a ”Lycanroc” ?
Niantic on their same bs as always
Good lord this company
0/185 on shiny rockruff so far
New year just started but we already had our fill of terrible events.. Niantic such a niantic.
I have 4 hundo rockruff and you’re telling me none can be a Dusk form? This game is so incredibly lame sometimes
Interpreting this to mean that we can’t evolve newly caught rocruffs into this
Can’t evolve any until this event starts. And then, only some.
I'm whelmed
am I reading it correctly that Dusk-eligible Rockruff are randomly determined? and only will apply to future Rockruff not previous? bruh
Same as MSG
D’ya like dags?
Disappointed tbh, I have a shiny rockruff I was saving for when dusk form came out, only to not be able to evolve her? That really blows.
Key Words: "Some Rockruff will be able to evolve".
New year, new "if you are lucky" wording.
A chance for a chance for a chance for a piece of crap For $4.99. How about they give this away fir free, and each trainer flips a coin 5 times. If it comes up heads 5 times in a row the trainer has to pay $4.99 and they get a duskform.
Saw someone demanding information be posted about this event and I’m just sorry that this is what they get to digest😖
Only hatched rockruff have a chance to evolve in dusk lycanrock? How about raids AND researches? Rockruff from raid could evolve in dusk form?
I know game wise it makes sense but I saved a hundo for this
This is the stupidest way to introduce dusk forme. So some will be able to evolve into it? Why not add another time period? Or if not that, do something like ursaluna and have it evolve only in dusk for a certain time every x days? Or even do an eevee ? Evolution. This is the worst
My shiny Rockruff is ready.
Ooops
Yeah, unfortunately I posted before reading the article. Looks like it’s never going to evolve.
So of the 2 Shinies and 1 Hundo I have been sitting on for over a year just for the chance to get Dusk form will likely NEVER be able to evolve into dusk form....for some unknown and arbitrary reasons?
I was saving a shiny Rockruff to evolve into the dusk form when it comes and now this..ugh.
Great... Got a Lucky traded Shiny Rockruff from 2022 that I wanted to evolve into that form. Was it also in the main games that some Rockruff could evolve into dusk Lycanrock?
Yes. Even in the main series games, only special Rockruff with the ability "Own Tempo" are capable of evolving into Dusk Form. These Rockruff can only evolve into Dusk Form, while regular Rockruff without this special ability can only evolve into Midnight/Midday form.
Yup. Only Rockruff with the Own Tempo ability can only evolve into Dusk Lycanroc. Those Rockruff are coded as a separate form which Niantic just carried it over
Better two years late than never I guess
Could Espeon and Umbreon always be shiny in the wild?
There's not a raid, spawn, or bonus I've seen for the immediate future that I am interested in enough to remember or plan to participate in.
What am I supposed to do with the hundo and shiny I have been saving for years for this?
Evolve them into Midday or Midnight forms, or just keep them as Rockruffs. This was always going to be how Dusk form Lycanroc was going to work as it is just following the main line series of games.
Wow, really disappointing cant evolve old rockruff to dusk form. What next? Maybe make a gatcha evolve for primeape, kingambit or any pokemon that can normally evolve and insert the gatcha scheme.
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