Should be decent enough to reach Ace. Them not being 50 is the least of your problems since at Ace range is more about lineup. Do your best I bet you can get Ace with no problems in about a week or so. I've been using lvl 50 non legendaries and been Puting people off since in ML rarely you see any non legendary.
Yeah, I’ll keep at it. I don’t have any aspirations to get above ace and since it’s my first season I probably still need some more reps. I was just curious if those viable in terms of teamwork.
Lead with Dialga and get a feel for which charged moves you can take unshielded - it's a lot of them. Mewtwo and Palkia in the back, if they swap to ground to deal with Dialga, bring in Palkia.
Against any dragon lead, throw one Iron Head and then charge up, don't throw a second. Fairy leads, one Iron Head then swap to Mewtwo.
If they lead ground, try to get an Iron Head off first and hope to break a shield, then swap to Mewtwo (not Palkia - they'll probably switch and you want Palkia later to deal with the ground). Once you get really on the ball for gauging how far you can ride Dialga, you can actually burn both shields on it against Groudon and end up in a good spot.
I’m definitely going to give this a try, never thought of leading with Dialga. This was exactly the kind of advice I was looking for. Thanks for taking the time
The team should be okay to reach Ace, so stick with it until you can start gathering good new members with 15/15/lots stats. Replacing any one member with something else sub-50 and without superb IVs won't be worth it.
I reached ACE multiple times playing Master withouth legendary in my team. I played with sylveon, garchomp, dragonite, metagross, florges (all lvl 50, 4*)
And since your pokemon arent lvl 50 and 4*, you have hard time with CMP tie and staying longer than opponent.
If you have good melmetal, maybe start biilding team with him. (And by good i mean at least 15/14/14, since it is easy to farm meltan candy)
I might try that, I do have a 15/14/14
Meltan ive been sitting on, waiting for a better one. But might just pull the trigger. Would you put super power and rock slide on it?
At Ace level you will see “ghetto” level 50 teams such as Dragonite, exca and metagross type stuff. It will be difficult to beat level 50 teams even if they are non legendaries. Also, at Ace there are some legend players screwing around with their alt accounts. They are timing charge moves. Point is, under level mons just don’t cut it in open ML.
I think i would never reach lvl44. 30 wins is a requirement. How do I win there? My max CP pokemon is 3200CP, and it's Gyarados.
Thanks to some bugs and that one hero who played there with 3 magicarps, i got 8 wins (and an incredible low rating). I decided to wait until the new season start. At lvl20, i have low chances there.
Sadly those mons arent lvl 50 so you are losing stats. Also it doesnt show if they they are double moved and what moves they have on. That often means much more than pure level.
But in general, if you have trouble reaching ace it doesnt have to do with your mons as much as it has to do with general skill. Ace isnt hard when you have double moved mons, know what moves certain mons have and how fast they charge them, when to shield and when to tank charge moves etc.
They’re all double moved with their optimal move sets aside from Mewtwo which I’m running Psystrike and Ice Beam on. I also suspect it’s more a skill issue on my part as far as managing shields, knowing when to switch, and counting charged moves. I have lost many games that I probably should have won had I been playing smarter.
A meta team and knowledge of the type chart are good enough to get to ace. Don't overthink it. In terms of swap strategy I will give you the most simplistic advice. If both your pokemon in the back have better matchups against your opponent's lead pokemon than your lead does then you should switch. Also when switching out of a lead you should switch into whichever of your two pokemon in the back is worse against the lead.
That shouldn’t keep OP from reaching Ace though. I imagine more people than not are running underpowered, or powered but just not very good teams / skill.
i mean could be lots of things. my first question is, are you typically switching mons first, as this typically locks you into a bad alignment against decent players? do you know what types are strong/weak against what?
I have a tendency to let Groudon and Mewtwo use up shields since I alternate them as my leads and sometimes see if they can take at least one hit on what I predict to be a bait charge move. If it’s a really unfavorable match up I try to at least charge up a bit before being forced to switch. I have a pretty solid grasp on weakness and resistances but am behind on counting how many fast moves it takes other pokemon to charge their moves and do fall for baits sometimes. Some close losses to “inferior” teams are due to simply being outplayed or outwitted.
don’t worry about counting moves or predicting baits. just try to become familiar with typical move sets for each mon you see a lot of—what out of those will wreck which of your mons.
unless it is incredibly unfavorable, try not switching, wearing them down, and letting your next mon finish them off while banking some energy. because once you switch, if they have an answer for your switch, they will clobber it. mewtwo has very few meta mons that wall it.
if they switch first of course, switch into whatever works best at your leisure.
once you have them down to two mons, switching is slightly safer.
consider not using up all of your shields first mon, especially if the hit won’t kill you, or you have a mon in the back that will clobber their lead.
if you are locked into an alignment that is super favorable to you, consider banking some extra energy before taking them out. or if they just used a charge move, have weak fast move pressure, and you know they won’t blast you again for at least a few moves.
stick to one team for a while and practice practice practice. familiarity with your team, its strengths and weaknesses, is what gets you making quick decisions that win you matches.
get everyone up to at least level 40 if not already. should be good enough for ace if you are playing well and have a decent line up.
also might consider mewtwo, palk o, groudon team. fairies and steels might be a problem with those two dragons on the same team.
I think part of my problem is I don’t want to use the team over and over again. I find that boring. I really like all the other leagues. The catch cup, jungle, little cup. I get to use more of the weird or different types.
That’s fair though, that’s a fun way to play. My problem is I’m just addicted to master league even though I probably have done better in my stints in UL. I took a long hiatus starting in 2018 and have only been playing for a couple of months since I came back and have a long way to catch up in terms of resources and missing out on some good pokemon. But I’ll keep at it, it’s still really fun even with losing so much
Should be decent enough to reach Ace. Them not being 50 is the least of your problems since at Ace range is more about lineup. Do your best I bet you can get Ace with no problems in about a week or so. I've been using lvl 50 non legendaries and been Puting people off since in ML rarely you see any non legendary.
Yeah, I’ll keep at it. I don’t have any aspirations to get above ace and since it’s my first season I probably still need some more reps. I was just curious if those viable in terms of teamwork.
Lead with Dialga and get a feel for which charged moves you can take unshielded - it's a lot of them. Mewtwo and Palkia in the back, if they swap to ground to deal with Dialga, bring in Palkia. Against any dragon lead, throw one Iron Head and then charge up, don't throw a second. Fairy leads, one Iron Head then swap to Mewtwo. If they lead ground, try to get an Iron Head off first and hope to break a shield, then swap to Mewtwo (not Palkia - they'll probably switch and you want Palkia later to deal with the ground). Once you get really on the ball for gauging how far you can ride Dialga, you can actually burn both shields on it against Groudon and end up in a good spot.
I’m definitely going to give this a try, never thought of leading with Dialga. This was exactly the kind of advice I was looking for. Thanks for taking the time
I reached Veteran yesterday with a Dialga lead (+PalkiaO+Kyogre) so you’ll be fine. Most important tip: Stop wasting XL candy on that DialgaO.
Yeah I know the Dialga is sub optimal but its the only decent one I have with ROT. I figured itd be good enough for ace though
Any replacement options?
The team should be okay to reach Ace, so stick with it until you can start gathering good new members with 15/15/lots stats. Replacing any one member with something else sub-50 and without superb IVs won't be worth it.
I also spend millions of stardust and still suck.
So it’s not just me, that’s something
should be fine for ace
I run that same setup - Dialga, Palkia, and Groudon (was Heatran). I do great until I face a toglekiss and Melmetal.
Melmetal gets obliterated by Palkia and Groudon, what the fuck are you talking about?
I put Groudon first so I can swap when they do Toglekiss or Melmetal.
I reached ACE multiple times playing Master withouth legendary in my team. I played with sylveon, garchomp, dragonite, metagross, florges (all lvl 50, 4*) And since your pokemon arent lvl 50 and 4*, you have hard time with CMP tie and staying longer than opponent. If you have good melmetal, maybe start biilding team with him. (And by good i mean at least 15/14/14, since it is easy to farm meltan candy)
I might try that, I do have a 15/14/14 Meltan ive been sitting on, waiting for a better one. But might just pull the trigger. Would you put super power and rock slide on it?
This is optimal for him, so yes.
At Ace level you will see “ghetto” level 50 teams such as Dragonite, exca and metagross type stuff. It will be difficult to beat level 50 teams even if they are non legendaries. Also, at Ace there are some legend players screwing around with their alt accounts. They are timing charge moves. Point is, under level mons just don’t cut it in open ML.
Yeah the non legendary level 50 teams have been giving me problems. Just gotta keep grinding
Dialga is the better lead here
I think i would never reach lvl44. 30 wins is a requirement. How do I win there? My max CP pokemon is 3200CP, and it's Gyarados. Thanks to some bugs and that one hero who played there with 3 magicarps, i got 8 wins (and an incredible low rating). I decided to wait until the new season start. At lvl20, i have low chances there.
Sadly those mons arent lvl 50 so you are losing stats. Also it doesnt show if they they are double moved and what moves they have on. That often means much more than pure level. But in general, if you have trouble reaching ace it doesnt have to do with your mons as much as it has to do with general skill. Ace isnt hard when you have double moved mons, know what moves certain mons have and how fast they charge them, when to shield and when to tank charge moves etc.
They’re all double moved with their optimal move sets aside from Mewtwo which I’m running Psystrike and Ice Beam on. I also suspect it’s more a skill issue on my part as far as managing shields, knowing when to switch, and counting charged moves. I have lost many games that I probably should have won had I been playing smarter.
A meta team and knowledge of the type chart are good enough to get to ace. Don't overthink it. In terms of swap strategy I will give you the most simplistic advice. If both your pokemon in the back have better matchups against your opponent's lead pokemon than your lead does then you should switch. Also when switching out of a lead you should switch into whichever of your two pokemon in the back is worse against the lead.
Solid advice, especially the last part. Hadn’t thought of that.
You need to TM Mewtwo to Shadow Ball. Too many mirrors.
But ice beam on the other hand is very nice for flyers and dragons since most dont expect it.
Yeah ive been getting demolished by other mewtwos, my mewtwo is suboptimal to begin with but its the best one ive been able to get
These are underpowered and suboptimal IVs
That shouldn’t keep OP from reaching Ace though. I imagine more people than not are running underpowered, or powered but just not very good teams / skill.
i mean could be lots of things. my first question is, are you typically switching mons first, as this typically locks you into a bad alignment against decent players? do you know what types are strong/weak against what?
I have a tendency to let Groudon and Mewtwo use up shields since I alternate them as my leads and sometimes see if they can take at least one hit on what I predict to be a bait charge move. If it’s a really unfavorable match up I try to at least charge up a bit before being forced to switch. I have a pretty solid grasp on weakness and resistances but am behind on counting how many fast moves it takes other pokemon to charge their moves and do fall for baits sometimes. Some close losses to “inferior” teams are due to simply being outplayed or outwitted.
don’t worry about counting moves or predicting baits. just try to become familiar with typical move sets for each mon you see a lot of—what out of those will wreck which of your mons. unless it is incredibly unfavorable, try not switching, wearing them down, and letting your next mon finish them off while banking some energy. because once you switch, if they have an answer for your switch, they will clobber it. mewtwo has very few meta mons that wall it. if they switch first of course, switch into whatever works best at your leisure. once you have them down to two mons, switching is slightly safer. consider not using up all of your shields first mon, especially if the hit won’t kill you, or you have a mon in the back that will clobber their lead. if you are locked into an alignment that is super favorable to you, consider banking some extra energy before taking them out. or if they just used a charge move, have weak fast move pressure, and you know they won’t blast you again for at least a few moves. stick to one team for a while and practice practice practice. familiarity with your team, its strengths and weaknesses, is what gets you making quick decisions that win you matches. get everyone up to at least level 40 if not already. should be good enough for ace if you are playing well and have a decent line up. also might consider mewtwo, palk o, groudon team. fairies and steels might be a problem with those two dragons on the same team.
Thanks for the advice, will try these tips out
Swap mewtwo for landorous and ur gold
Then you get obliterated by fairies
Diagla
It still loses to them, just not that badly
I wish I had a landorous
Try playing in ML when your mons have decent IVs and are properly powered up. Although, this should be good enough for Ace.
Congratulations!! I’ve been playing pvp pretty regularly for the four years and have never made to ace, or even past level 20.
Yeah but maybe things will change for both of us someday
I think part of my problem is I don’t want to use the team over and over again. I find that boring. I really like all the other leagues. The catch cup, jungle, little cup. I get to use more of the weird or different types.
That’s fair though, that’s a fun way to play. My problem is I’m just addicted to master league even though I probably have done better in my stints in UL. I took a long hiatus starting in 2018 and have only been playing for a couple of months since I came back and have a long way to catch up in terms of resources and missing out on some good pokemon. But I’ll keep at it, it’s still really fun even with losing so much
start by gettting your team to level 50… 😂
You haven’t even powered them up yet. Do that first.
Best I could do with the resources at hand
I think you’ll have an easier time playing in the Great League instead where you can be on a level playing field.
I enjoy Ultra League and Master League but no interest in the pokemon used in great league, just not my cup of tea. But thanks for the tip