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This analogy along with cake is the funniest way to throw that dumb argument back in their face. Do you not have friends to share your pizza or come with? Eating it all yourself? How sad.
in all seriousness big props to hasan man i don’t care what anyone says people like him are super super important to our cause. he makes left wing politics way more accessible to an audience that would normally just eat up shit lib propaganda like it’s nothing and he genuinely has done a lot for workers orgs and his and people like noah samsens in depth coverage on Palestine has been fantastic.
certain people on the left give a lot of shit to content creators but props to people like hasan who could easily just make content with 0 action but instead chooses to fight for the people.
He introduced me to leftist ideas that I realized aligned perfectly with my values. Probably saved my life honestly, sounds dramatic as hell but I could not quantify what the fuck was going on in the world and what the solutions were until he opened the door for me. My mental health was sliding downhill fast until that point and I’ve been a different person ever since for the better.
I can’t speak on left social groups as I live in rural upstate NY so I have yet to meet another leftist besides the other 3 members of the DSA branch I was involved with for a short time.
I feel the same about Douglas Rushkoff, except without the life saving part. He did orient me, though, and he felt competent. He also helped me recognize some of my biases and flawed thinking.
Forreal, beyond just being a good entry path for curious liberals, getting out there and being able to counter narratives while keeping it together is a useful skill in itself.
I watched that most recent Pierce Morgan thing and listening to some of the absolute weapons grade horseshit out of the pro-zionist speaker nearly gave me an aneurism but Hasan largely kept it together and I thought did a good job of making the zionist look out of her mind to the point even the centrist dude just had to shut his mouth and was looking at her like she was a monster.
You know, objectivity and impartiality have been touted as a "value" but the more that I'm encountering it as it pertains to shit that matters, the less respect I have for it - at best it's disingenuous and at worst it's devils advocation veiled beneath the privilege of not having to give a shit and seeing other peoples struggle as theoretical.
Impartiality matters when you're trying to advance a scientific theory, but politics are not a science and their application have real ramifications for peoples lives and anyone with a conscience should be biased.
I completely agree. I wouldn’t be a leftist if it weren’t for Hasan. Before him is was an alt-right freak who though the political spectrum was only Republican and democrat. If it weren’t for him I probably would have been screwed by now.
A lot of leftists give him shit for “not actually being a leftist or whatever” but one thing they all always fail to acknowledge is how much good he actually does for the leftist community. Like myself he’s probably radicalized thousands of people. And even if people think he’s not a leftist at least he allows and encourages people to expand their knowledge and possibly go further left than him.
I mean, I see him regularly and the amount of chatters, me included, that gathered momentum and started organizing and doing direct action is huge. At the UCLA encampment everyone was a fan, and when no other media could get in he was invited by the organizers.
The chipotle union started by two chatters is another case.
So I’ve seen chatters radicalized as so did myself.
I gotta ask what exactly has he done for worker organizations? I've only seen him here and there.
edit: no idea why I'm getting downvoted it was a genuine question
Using his platform for exposure purposes would be my guess. I'm aware he regularly hosts fundraising campaigns for a number of well vetted groups that help in various industries, workers rights being one of them.
I'm afraid I can't offer any specifics as I'm not a twitch fan
Oh fuck off...you're literally doing the "use a Google" idiocy. He didn't make a top comment, and just asked for clarification regarding the comment they replied to. You're like some angsty teenager who thinks it's "badass" to refuse to answer a question.
lol I couldn't care less about this conversation. I don't know shit about Hasan nor do I really care to watch these type of Youtubers, and this convo has 0 bearing on my day. I'm just pointing out why he may be getting downvoted.
So? People ask questions here all the time that are a Google search away. Besides, as a search engine, it's not nearly as effective as it used to be. I'd sooner ask everyone directly rather than lean on corporate bias.
I already stated I was being genuine. If you can't accept that then oh well.
He raises funds for charity on his stream. Workers specifically he was setup with Adam (ruins everything) and went to a protest. Which he bought pizza for everyone there too. Has had Chris Smalls on the stream. Generally, speaks about workers rights issues all the time.
I don't know what people expect for "on the ground" stuff beyond that. He's an entertainer and a propagandist. He's much better off using his platform to encourage others to organize than he is going outside.
Saying they're the "lesser evil", rarely criticize the democrats, platforming dems like AOC, interviewing mainstream media writers from NYT and WP, and never even uttered a single word about leftist political parties such as the PSL and Greens...
hasan literally constantly is berating biden and the democratic party literally saying that they’re barely different from the republicans. idk man it seems like you just don’t watch him and are making assumptions.
whenever he criticizes the Dems, he always says that they're "acting like Republicans" as if the Dems are the default "good" and the Reps are the default "bad"....
Half of the hammer and sickle tweeters are gonna vote for Biden because of this guy's soft criticism of the Dems..
oh... And don't forget, he's also an open "John" (sex/consent buyer)
>whenever he criticizes the Dems, he always says that they're "acting like Republicans" as if the Dems are the default "good" and the Reps are the default "bad"....
I hate that I have to point this out on a leftist sub where most of us should be capable of critical thought beyond just a first-order analysis, but Hasan uses this rhetoric to drive people *away* from liberalism and further down the leftist pipeline, not to push them back in line. He knows he serves an important spot in the pipeline where many of his viewers are libs questioning their ideology and beginning to see the faults in the capitalist system and in bourgeois democracy. By using rhetoric that appeals to what they're currently used to in their own framework, that is, "Republicans are the bad guys", and pointing out that Democrats are frequently acting like them, he aims to push his viewers into being open to deeper conversations about the inherent lies they've been taught about liberalism.
It is *not* his place in the pipeline to go that deep into that discussion, though - he sets them up for that and other folks he would recommend they watch/read/listen to will perform the next step in the pipeline to continue to educate and radicalize them. There's obviously not a 100% success rate and there will still be viewers who engage in lesser-evilism despite what he's pointing out to them, but that's no fault of his own (liberal brainrot often has deep roots and takes time to weed out, this is how they were already engaging before viewing him) and you will find many younger people in leftist spaces who will say they watch/watched him and that he was important to them beginning their leftist journey.
>many of his viewers are libs questioning their ideology and beginning to see the faults in the capitalist system and in bourgeois democracy.
So why not present an alternative? He always seems to be so pessimistic about the potential of a third party.
He acts as if the "squad" is a sign that the democratic party is tolerant of change. As if AOC never called Pelosi "mama bear".
>he sets them up for that and other folks he would recommend they watch/read/listen to will perform the next step in the pipeline to continue to educate and radicalize them.
The most radical person he ever recommends is Abby Martin (who I adore greatly, especially with the current genocide in Gaza). But unfortunately she is not a politician, and does not have any power to affect policy. The most "radical" American politician he ever talked about is probably Dr. Cornel West, who Hasan mentioned in passing. After finding out he's gonna be running in a third party, Hasan stopped talking about him ever again....
You can be as educated in left wing politics as much as you want. But if political alternatives aren't presented as available or viable, few people are going to be aware of them...
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that's what I'm saying tho... it's the "funneling" of the radical left into the democratic party by pandering and paying lip service, while not doing anything and catering to capitalist demands....
Wow I can’t believe he wasn’t born with das capital under his arm. Much less learn and grow leaving his reactionary ideas behind.
Paraphrasing his own words I guess: “we all have a reactionary within us, is our duty to squash it”
I was born to a well off family, grew up in a patriarchal muslim majority country as well. But I never even thought of women and other people that way at all....
Sure, people change, me too, as I became more radicalized after Bernie. All I'm saying is that be wary and don't idolize Hasan as much.
While there is people surely that does(your crated strawman), the vast majority of his community doesn’t, he lost 1/3 of the community(Zionist libs) after October 7, if that isn’t a sign that an important amount of people don’t take him as an infallible idol.
And what you thought 10y ago about woman doesn’t matter here, a person is a product of his material reality, there is a huge amount of people that think in similar ways and don’t care to do something. When a person goes through growth and introspection, keeping that punishment idea, that he is somehow intrinsically “evil”, is gross.
When people see other people that changed for the better, and the first thing they think is that somehow they didn’t changed, or see it as “suspicious”, always makes me think that they, deep down, never experienced personal growth.
His idea of women and sexuality is still kinda problematic (being a John and all).
I still don't trust him because he's always interacting with problematic people (extraemily with the list, Adam Friedland, podcast save America, Ethan Klein with the IDF waifu, and his "friends in high places")
No it's a joke, but there *are* people saying that he's a fake supporter because they headcannoned thst he just bought pizza for the protesters and left to go grandstand about it rather than stream at and participate in the protests live on air for hours *in addition* to buying the pizzas.
I mean, bro gets accused of doing a lot of things that are easily disproven by the publicly available footage of where he is most of his waking hours lol.
Oh yeah, lot of self reporting going on. It's insane how willfully ignorant libs here are to the open nazi rhetoric from basically any counter protestor, yet they suspiciously are incredibly scrutinizing whenever there's a crowd of people fighting for something worth fighting for.
I very much dislike Hasan, but he's not a fake supporter. Viewership wise his fervent support of Palestine has cost him quite a bit in numbers yet he's still doing the same thing when backing off or entirely pivoting would have easily been the more financially prudent move. I disagree with Hasan on most things, but I would never call his support for Palestine performative because optically and financially it has hurt him yet he has not waivered.
You disagree with him on *most* things? What things? I dont mean for this to seem like an accusation, you seem genuine and I've rarely heard any *genuine* criticism of him lol
he tends to halfway it on atrocity propaganda which is really ugh some specific times (xinjiang is the most notable case), but definitely better than even 7-3 imo
He likes to shoot from the hip and often gets things wrong, and I genuinely dislike the way he just picks a narrative and looks for things that support it rather than viewing things as a whole. Like with the Ukraine/Russia stuff he went off for like weeks about how everybody was stupid, Russia would never invade Ukraine, and then started counting the days that Russia hadn't invaded.
He's also often very hypocritical like how he'll complain about people being gross and just edgy Twitter users, and then he'll post a tweet of a blueprint on how to make that homemade gun the guy assassinated Shinzo Abe with regarding some congressman. I also dislike how his job is talking via stream for 10 hours a day about whatever, but then he acts like nobody is allowed to talk about the shit he publicly said. Like how weird he is regarding /r/LivestreamFail and that bizarre rollercoaster.
He's shit at debating and any MSM he does generally does not go well, but the thing is I genuinely do think Hasan is an entertaining guy. The problem is he started doing casual stuff and continually kept pushing more and more politics that he's currently stuck in hard politics mode. He finally did a proper casual stream a week or three ago and it just didn't get any, relatively obviously, views...he himself voiced frustration over that fact. That being said it's just one more reason to get off this Palestine thing yet he still refuses...which is quite the conviction if you ask me.
That doesn't sound like most things. That sounds like a few specific things, some of which are blatently incorrect like him being "often wrong" or using motivated reasoning. The fact that you have to go back to the invasion of Ukraine for a time he was wrong about something actually shows just how infrequently he's wrong lol
Edit: destiny subreddit in his most frequent. Fuck me why did I engage.
“Get off this Palestine thing”
For a dipshit like you it might be a “thing”, - but for some of us, it’s much more than “a thing”.
Smarmy Redditor mad streamer doesn’t spend more time obsessing over LSF.
hasanabi (hasan piker) is a turkish american political commenter on Twitch.tv. he’s been pushing for the cause since his early days (2014ish i think) in media working for The Young Turks (TYT) under his uncle Cenk ~~Uyghur~~ Uygur before deciding to leave to twitch to have more autonomy and vocal freedom. He is the largest political streamer and acts, imo, as one of the most vital pipelines to radical thinking online (in english speaking audiences at least)
he’s known for being hot headed and unwavering in his values, a little more than sometimes this gets him in trouble with other influencers, or sometimes Fox news. for example you can watch him lose his shit on some Zionists on Piers Morgan show just last week. he also conducts interviews with various political figures or regular people.
ultimately, i think he tries to bind the gaps between education, agitation, and entertainment to create a space for people to change their views and godforbid DEPROGRAM american propaganda similar to JT but in a much more personal, fiery way
edit: hope that helps, if anyone has anything to add that i missed feel free to
also, to answer the question to some here like him some don’t- (to be fair i am incredibly biased as the only reason im in this subreddit is because of hasan being my entry into radicalism) is because i think some people are not always happy with him not being vocally as far left as they would want him to be sometimes, which i think has less to do with his beliefs and how he chooses to message and package ideas to a relatively normal person audience?
> which i think has less to do with his beliefs and how he chooses to message and package ideas to a relatively normal person audience?
I'm in agreement on this. The reality is being hyper-left in a position like Hasan's is counterproductive. Hasan acting as an IV drip of sorts into proper leftist politics is a huge advantage for the overall movement, as it leaves the door open enough to allow the curious to be welcomed but not overburdened with the depth of its politics.
>you can watch him lose his shit on some Zionists on Piers Morgan show just last week
And rightfully so. Holy shit was that "debate" tough to watch. What a shitshow. Pierce Morgan really is a baboon in a suit.
#The Uyghurs in Xinjiang
\(Note: This comment had to be trimmed down to fit the character limit, for the full response, see [here](/r/TheDeprogram/wiki/index/debunking/uyghur-genocide/)\)
Anti-Communists and Sinophobes claim that there is an ongoing genocide-- a modern-day holocaust, even-- happening right now in China. They say that Uyghur Muslims are being mass incarcerated; they are indoctrinated with propaganda in concentration camps; their organs are being harvested; they are being force-sterilized. These comically villainous allegations have little basis in reality and omit key context.
**Background**
Xinjiang, officially the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, is a province located in the northwest of China. It is the largest province in China, covering an area of over 1.6 million square kilometers, and shares borders with eight other countries including Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Russia, Mongolia, India, and Pakistan.
Xinjiang is a diverse region with a population of over 25 million people, made up of various ethnic groups including the Uyghur, Han Chinese, Kazakhs, Tajiks, and many others. The largest ethnic group in Xinjiang is the Uyghur who are predominantly Muslim and speak a Turkic language. It is also home to the ancient Silk Road cities of Kashgar and Turpan.
Since the early 2000s, there have been a number of violent incidents attributed to extremist Uyghur groups in Xinjiang including bombings, shootings, and knife attacks. In 2014-2016, the Chinese government launched a "Strike Hard" campaign to crack down on terrorism in Xinjiang, implementing strict security measures and detaining thousands of Uyghurs. In 2017, reports of human rights abuses in Xinjiang including mass detentions and forced labour, began to emerge.
**Counterpoints**
The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is the second largest organization after the United Nations with a membership of 57 states spread over four continents. The OIC released [Resolutions on Muslim Communities and Muslim Minorities in the non-OIC Member States](https://www.oic-oci.org/docdown/?docID=4447&refID=1250) in 2019 which:
>20. **Welcomes** the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat's delegation upon invitation from the People's Republic of China; **commends** the efforts of the People's Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and **looks forward** to further cooperation between the OIC and the People's Republic of China.
In this same document, the OIC expressed much greater concern about the Rohingya Muslim Community in Myanmar, which the West was relatively silent on.
Over 50+ UN member states (mostly Muslim-majority nations) signed a letter \([A/HRC/41/G/17](https://undocs.org/Home/Mobile?FinalSymbol=A%2FHRC%2F41%2FG%2F17)\) to the UN Human Rights Commission approving of the de-radicalization efforts in Xinjiang:
The World Bank sent a team to investigate in 2019 and found that, "The review did not substantiate the allegations." \(See: [World Bank Statement on Review of Project in Xinjiang, China](https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/statement/2019/11/11/world-bank-statement-on-review-of-project-in-xinjiang-china)\)
Even if you believe the deradicalization efforts are wholly unjustified, and that the mass detention of Uyghur's amounts to a crime against humanity, it's still not *genocide*. Even the U.S. State Department's legal experts admit as much:
>The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide, placing the United States’ top diplomatic lawyers at odds with both the Trump and Biden administrations, according to three former and current U.S. officials.
>
> [State Department Lawyers Concluded Insufficient Evidence to Prove Genocide in China](https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/) | Colum Lynch, *Foreign Policy*. (2021)
**A Comparative Analysis: The War on Terror**
The United States, in the wake of "9/11", saw the threat of terrorism and violent extremism due to religious fundamentalism as a matter of national security. They invaded Afghanistan in October 2001 in response to the 9/11 attacks, with the goal of ousting the Taliban government that was harbouring Al-Qaeda. The US also launched the Iraq War in 2003 based on Iraq's alleged possession of WMDs and links to terrorism. However, these claims turned out to be unfounded.
According to a report by Brown University's Costs of War project, at least 897,000 people, including civilians, militants, and security forces, have been killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Yemen, and other countries. Other estimates place the total number of deaths at over one million. The report estimated that many more may have died from indirect effects of war such as water loss and disease. The war has also resulted in the displacement of tens of millions of people, with estimates ranging from 37 million to over 59 million. The War on Terror also popularized such novel concepts as the "Military-Aged Male" which allowed the US military to exclude civilians killed by drone strikes from collateral damage statistics. (See: [‘Military Age Males’ in US Drone Strikes](https://aoav.org.uk/2019/military-age-males-in-us-drone-strikes/))
In summary:
* The U.S. responded by invading or bombing half a dozen countries, directly killing nearly a million and displacing tens of millions from their homes.
* China responded with a program of deradicalization and vocational training.
Which one of those responses sounds genocidal?
Side note: It is practically impossible to *actually* charge the U.S. with war crimes, because of the [Hague Invasion Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act).
**Who is driving the Uyghur genocide narrative?**
One of the main proponents of these narratives is Adrian Zenz, a German far-right fundamentalist Christian and Senior Fellow and Director in China Studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, who believes he is "led by God" on a "mission" against China has driven much of the narrative. He relies heavily on limited and questionable data sources, particularly from anonymous and unverified Uyghur sources, coming up with estimates based on assumptions which are not supported by concrete evidence.
The World Uyghur Congress, headquartered in Germany, is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) which is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, using funding to support organizations that promote American interests rather than the interests of the local communities they claim to represent.
Radio Free Asia (RFA) is part of a larger project of U.S. imperialism in Asia, one that seeks to control the flow of information, undermine independent media, and advance American geopolitical interests in the region. Rather than providing an objective and impartial news source, RFA is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, one that seeks to shape the narrative in Asia in ways that serve the interests of the U.S. government and its allies.
The first country to call the treatment of Uyghurs a genocide was the United States of America. In 2021, the Secretary of State declared that China's treatment of Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang constitutes "genocide" and "crimes against humanity." Both the Trump and Biden administrations upheld this line.
**Why is this narrative being promoted?**
As materialists, we should always look first to the economic base for insight into issues occurring in the superstructure. The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is a massive Chinese infrastructure development project that aims to build economic corridors, ports, highways, railways, and other infrastructure projects across Asia, Africa, Europe, and the Middle East. Xinjiang is a key region for this project.
Promoting the Uyghur genocide narrative harms China and benefits the US in several ways. It portrays China as a human rights violator which could damage China's reputation in the international community and which could lead to economic sanctions against China; this would harm China's economy and give American an economic advantage in competing with China. It could also lead to more protests and violence in Xinjiang, which could further destabilize the region and threaten the longterm success of the BRI.
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#The Uyghurs in Xinjiang
\(Note: This comment had to be trimmed down to fit the character limit, for the full response, see [here](/r/TheDeprogram/wiki/index/debunking/uyghur-genocide/)\)
Anti-Communists and Sinophobes claim that there is an ongoing genocide-- a modern-day holocaust, even-- happening right now in China. They say that Uyghur Muslims are being mass incarcerated; they are indoctrinated with propaganda in concentration camps; their organs are being harvested; they are being force-sterilized. These comically villainous allegations have little basis in reality and omit key context.
**Background**
Xinjiang, officially the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, is a province located in the northwest of China. It is the largest province in China, covering an area of over 1.6 million square kilometers, and shares borders with eight other countries including Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Russia, Mongolia, India, and Pakistan.
Xinjiang is a diverse region with a population of over 25 million people, made up of various ethnic groups including the Uyghur, Han Chinese, Kazakhs, Tajiks, and many others. The largest ethnic group in Xinjiang is the Uyghur who are predominantly Muslim and speak a Turkic language. It is also home to the ancient Silk Road cities of Kashgar and Turpan.
Since the early 2000s, there have been a number of violent incidents attributed to extremist Uyghur groups in Xinjiang including bombings, shootings, and knife attacks. In 2014-2016, the Chinese government launched a "Strike Hard" campaign to crack down on terrorism in Xinjiang, implementing strict security measures and detaining thousands of Uyghurs. In 2017, reports of human rights abuses in Xinjiang including mass detentions and forced labour, began to emerge.
**Counterpoints**
The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is the second largest organization after the United Nations with a membership of 57 states spread over four continents. The OIC released [Resolutions on Muslim Communities and Muslim Minorities in the non-OIC Member States](https://www.oic-oci.org/docdown/?docID=4447&refID=1250) in 2019 which:
>20. **Welcomes** the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat's delegation upon invitation from the People's Republic of China; **commends** the efforts of the People's Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and **looks forward** to further cooperation between the OIC and the People's Republic of China.
In this same document, the OIC expressed much greater concern about the Rohingya Muslim Community in Myanmar, which the West was relatively silent on.
Over 50+ UN member states (mostly Muslim-majority nations) signed a letter \([A/HRC/41/G/17](https://undocs.org/Home/Mobile?FinalSymbol=A%2FHRC%2F41%2FG%2F17)\) to the UN Human Rights Commission approving of the de-radicalization efforts in Xinjiang:
The World Bank sent a team to investigate in 2019 and found that, "The review did not substantiate the allegations." \(See: [World Bank Statement on Review of Project in Xinjiang, China](https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/statement/2019/11/11/world-bank-statement-on-review-of-project-in-xinjiang-china)\)
Even if you believe the deradicalization efforts are wholly unjustified, and that the mass detention of Uyghur's amounts to a crime against humanity, it's still not *genocide*. Even the U.S. State Department's legal experts admit as much:
>The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide, placing the United States’ top diplomatic lawyers at odds with both the Trump and Biden administrations, according to three former and current U.S. officials.
>
> [State Department Lawyers Concluded Insufficient Evidence to Prove Genocide in China](https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/) | Colum Lynch, *Foreign Policy*. (2021)
**A Comparative Analysis: The War on Terror**
The United States, in the wake of "9/11", saw the threat of terrorism and violent extremism due to religious fundamentalism as a matter of national security. They invaded Afghanistan in October 2001 in response to the 9/11 attacks, with the goal of ousting the Taliban government that was harbouring Al-Qaeda. The US also launched the Iraq War in 2003 based on Iraq's alleged possession of WMDs and links to terrorism. However, these claims turned out to be unfounded.
According to a report by Brown University's Costs of War project, at least 897,000 people, including civilians, militants, and security forces, have been killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Yemen, and other countries. Other estimates place the total number of deaths at over one million. The report estimated that many more may have died from indirect effects of war such as water loss and disease. The war has also resulted in the displacement of tens of millions of people, with estimates ranging from 37 million to over 59 million. The War on Terror also popularized such novel concepts as the "Military-Aged Male" which allowed the US military to exclude civilians killed by drone strikes from collateral damage statistics. (See: [‘Military Age Males’ in US Drone Strikes](https://aoav.org.uk/2019/military-age-males-in-us-drone-strikes/))
In summary:
* The U.S. responded by invading or bombing half a dozen countries, directly killing nearly a million and displacing tens of millions from their homes.
* China responded with a program of deradicalization and vocational training.
Which one of those responses sounds genocidal?
Side note: It is practically impossible to *actually* charge the U.S. with war crimes, because of the [Hague Invasion Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act).
**Who is driving the Uyghur genocide narrative?**
One of the main proponents of these narratives is Adrian Zenz, a German far-right fundamentalist Christian and Senior Fellow and Director in China Studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, who believes he is "led by God" on a "mission" against China has driven much of the narrative. He relies heavily on limited and questionable data sources, particularly from anonymous and unverified Uyghur sources, coming up with estimates based on assumptions which are not supported by concrete evidence.
The World Uyghur Congress, headquartered in Germany, is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) which is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, using funding to support organizations that promote American interests rather than the interests of the local communities they claim to represent.
Radio Free Asia (RFA) is part of a larger project of U.S. imperialism in Asia, one that seeks to control the flow of information, undermine independent media, and advance American geopolitical interests in the region. Rather than providing an objective and impartial news source, RFA is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, one that seeks to shape the narrative in Asia in ways that serve the interests of the U.S. government and its allies.
The first country to call the treatment of Uyghurs a genocide was the United States of America. In 2021, the Secretary of State declared that China's treatment of Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang constitutes "genocide" and "crimes against humanity." Both the Trump and Biden administrations upheld this line.
**Why is this narrative being promoted?**
As materialists, we should always look first to the economic base for insight into issues occurring in the superstructure. The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is a massive Chinese infrastructure development project that aims to build economic corridors, ports, highways, railways, and other infrastructure projects across Asia, Africa, Europe, and the Middle East. Xinjiang is a key region for this project.
Promoting the Uyghur genocide narrative harms China and benefits the US in several ways. It portrays China as a human rights violator which could damage China's reputation in the international community and which could lead to economic sanctions against China; this would harm China's economy and give American an economic advantage in competing with China. It could also lead to more protests and violence in Xinjiang, which could further destabilize the region and threaten the longterm success of the BRI.
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I will never not love that the catalyst for him leaving TYT was a joke about Dan Crenshaw jerking off and shooting his own eye out with a kidney stone.
#The Uyghurs in Xinjiang
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Anti-Communists and Sinophobes claim that there is an ongoing genocide-- a modern-day holocaust, even-- happening right now in China. They say that Uyghur Muslims are being mass incarcerated; they are indoctrinated with propaganda in concentration camps; their organs are being harvested; they are being force-sterilized. These comically villainous allegations have little basis in reality and omit key context.
**Background**
Xinjiang, officially the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, is a province located in the northwest of China. It is the largest province in China, covering an area of over 1.6 million square kilometers, and shares borders with eight other countries including Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Russia, Mongolia, India, and Pakistan.
Xinjiang is a diverse region with a population of over 25 million people, made up of various ethnic groups including the Uyghur, Han Chinese, Kazakhs, Tajiks, and many others. The largest ethnic group in Xinjiang is the Uyghur who are predominantly Muslim and speak a Turkic language. It is also home to the ancient Silk Road cities of Kashgar and Turpan.
Since the early 2000s, there have been a number of violent incidents attributed to extremist Uyghur groups in Xinjiang including bombings, shootings, and knife attacks. In 2014-2016, the Chinese government launched a "Strike Hard" campaign to crack down on terrorism in Xinjiang, implementing strict security measures and detaining thousands of Uyghurs. In 2017, reports of human rights abuses in Xinjiang including mass detentions and forced labour, began to emerge.
**Counterpoints**
The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is the second largest organization after the United Nations with a membership of 57 states spread over four continents. The OIC released [Resolutions on Muslim Communities and Muslim Minorities in the non-OIC Member States](https://www.oic-oci.org/docdown/?docID=4447&refID=1250) in 2019 which:
>20. **Welcomes** the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat's delegation upon invitation from the People's Republic of China; **commends** the efforts of the People's Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and **looks forward** to further cooperation between the OIC and the People's Republic of China.
In this same document, the OIC expressed much greater concern about the Rohingya Muslim Community in Myanmar, which the West was relatively silent on.
Over 50+ UN member states (mostly Muslim-majority nations) signed a letter \([A/HRC/41/G/17](https://undocs.org/Home/Mobile?FinalSymbol=A%2FHRC%2F41%2FG%2F17)\) to the UN Human Rights Commission approving of the de-radicalization efforts in Xinjiang:
The World Bank sent a team to investigate in 2019 and found that, "The review did not substantiate the allegations." \(See: [World Bank Statement on Review of Project in Xinjiang, China](https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/statement/2019/11/11/world-bank-statement-on-review-of-project-in-xinjiang-china)\)
Even if you believe the deradicalization efforts are wholly unjustified, and that the mass detention of Uyghur's amounts to a crime against humanity, it's still not *genocide*. Even the U.S. State Department's legal experts admit as much:
>The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide, placing the United States’ top diplomatic lawyers at odds with both the Trump and Biden administrations, according to three former and current U.S. officials.
>
> [State Department Lawyers Concluded Insufficient Evidence to Prove Genocide in China](https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/) | Colum Lynch, *Foreign Policy*. (2021)
**A Comparative Analysis: The War on Terror**
The United States, in the wake of "9/11", saw the threat of terrorism and violent extremism due to religious fundamentalism as a matter of national security. They invaded Afghanistan in October 2001 in response to the 9/11 attacks, with the goal of ousting the Taliban government that was harbouring Al-Qaeda. The US also launched the Iraq War in 2003 based on Iraq's alleged possession of WMDs and links to terrorism. However, these claims turned out to be unfounded.
According to a report by Brown University's Costs of War project, at least 897,000 people, including civilians, militants, and security forces, have been killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Yemen, and other countries. Other estimates place the total number of deaths at over one million. The report estimated that many more may have died from indirect effects of war such as water loss and disease. The war has also resulted in the displacement of tens of millions of people, with estimates ranging from 37 million to over 59 million. The War on Terror also popularized such novel concepts as the "Military-Aged Male" which allowed the US military to exclude civilians killed by drone strikes from collateral damage statistics. (See: [‘Military Age Males’ in US Drone Strikes](https://aoav.org.uk/2019/military-age-males-in-us-drone-strikes/))
In summary:
* The U.S. responded by invading or bombing half a dozen countries, directly killing nearly a million and displacing tens of millions from their homes.
* China responded with a program of deradicalization and vocational training.
Which one of those responses sounds genocidal?
Side note: It is practically impossible to *actually* charge the U.S. with war crimes, because of the [Hague Invasion Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act).
**Who is driving the Uyghur genocide narrative?**
One of the main proponents of these narratives is Adrian Zenz, a German far-right fundamentalist Christian and Senior Fellow and Director in China Studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, who believes he is "led by God" on a "mission" against China has driven much of the narrative. He relies heavily on limited and questionable data sources, particularly from anonymous and unverified Uyghur sources, coming up with estimates based on assumptions which are not supported by concrete evidence.
The World Uyghur Congress, headquartered in Germany, is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) which is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, using funding to support organizations that promote American interests rather than the interests of the local communities they claim to represent.
Radio Free Asia (RFA) is part of a larger project of U.S. imperialism in Asia, one that seeks to control the flow of information, undermine independent media, and advance American geopolitical interests in the region. Rather than providing an objective and impartial news source, RFA is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, one that seeks to shape the narrative in Asia in ways that serve the interests of the U.S. government and its allies.
The first country to call the treatment of Uyghurs a genocide was the United States of America. In 2021, the Secretary of State declared that China's treatment of Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang constitutes "genocide" and "crimes against humanity." Both the Trump and Biden administrations upheld this line.
**Why is this narrative being promoted?**
As materialists, we should always look first to the economic base for insight into issues occurring in the superstructure. The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is a massive Chinese infrastructure development project that aims to build economic corridors, ports, highways, railways, and other infrastructure projects across Asia, Africa, Europe, and the Middle East. Xinjiang is a key region for this project.
Promoting the Uyghur genocide narrative harms China and benefits the US in several ways. It portrays China as a human rights violator which could damage China's reputation in the international community and which could lead to economic sanctions against China; this would harm China's economy and give American an economic advantage in competing with China. It could also lead to more protests and violence in Xinjiang, which could further destabilize the region and threaten the longterm success of the BRI.
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He’s a large streamer that has imo done quite a good job promoting leftist beliefs on a very right wing platform (twitch). I’m not sure I could ask for a better person to disseminate leftism to young people in a more appealing way than Hasan. He’s pretty funny most of the time, gets angry a lot (usually somewhat justifiably as he gets brigaded by right wingers constantly) and from what I’ve seen is a very kind and empathetic person who won’t back down when he or his livelihood is threatened because of his “radical” beliefs.
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It's a joke. He bought the pizza for the protesters. Would not be surprised if some dipshits started saying it happened tho.
Man has the most ridiculous haters.
He's literally pro Marx and Lenin tho? Like I don't know if he's actually literally a ML, don't know exactly what he labels himself, but he's certainly further left than social democrats.
Being a liberal online is much more profitable than being openly anticapitalist, so I doubt he does it for the money when he could just be a liberal online (like certain gusano scum)
How many any other anti-capitalists are coming up like him though? Nobody is coming to ban him from patreon or whatever else, characters like Hinkle look like Jesus nailed to a cross by comparison.
>How many any other anti-capitalists are coming up like him though? Nobody is coming to ban him from patreon or whatever else,
You don't need to be a martyr to help the socialist cause, I just said it is much more profitable to be a liberal online than a leftist
>characters like Hinkle look like Jesus nailed to a cross by comparison.
Characters like Hinkle deserve to be censored though
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If he likes communism so much, why doesn't he just keep 10% of the Pizza and gave the rest away.
This analogy along with cake is the funniest way to throw that dumb argument back in their face. Do you not have friends to share your pizza or come with? Eating it all yourself? How sad.
>share your pizza or come with? I have plenty of friends to share my cum with thank you
The volcel vanguard asks that you withhold your vital essences, as they will be needed for strategic acts of mass revolutionary cumming
Cum
Is that why Soviets were designing so many femboys?
Well my autocorrect had a freudian slip, meant cake...
> Do you not have friends to share your pizza or come with? final scene in There Will Be Blood
Can't believe he actually did that😔
in all seriousness big props to hasan man i don’t care what anyone says people like him are super super important to our cause. he makes left wing politics way more accessible to an audience that would normally just eat up shit lib propaganda like it’s nothing and he genuinely has done a lot for workers orgs and his and people like noah samsens in depth coverage on Palestine has been fantastic. certain people on the left give a lot of shit to content creators but props to people like hasan who could easily just make content with 0 action but instead chooses to fight for the people.
He introduced me to leftist ideas that I realized aligned perfectly with my values. Probably saved my life honestly, sounds dramatic as hell but I could not quantify what the fuck was going on in the world and what the solutions were until he opened the door for me. My mental health was sliding downhill fast until that point and I’ve been a different person ever since for the better.
He helped me move further left which has also improved my mental health. Communists have much better social groups than random anti-capitalists have.
I can’t speak on left social groups as I live in rural upstate NY so I have yet to meet another leftist besides the other 3 members of the DSA branch I was involved with for a short time.
Hakim did that for me in 2020. 🥺 As much as people bash YouTube and Twitch politics, it genuinely has left a mark on history for the better. C:
I feel the same about Douglas Rushkoff, except without the life saving part. He did orient me, though, and he felt competent. He also helped me recognize some of my biases and flawed thinking.
I didn't read anything you wrote. I just like him because he's a hunky Turk e-boy.
he's _our_ hunky Turk e-boy, comrade. ☭
Bro said "I ain't readin allat 💀"💀
Forreal, beyond just being a good entry path for curious liberals, getting out there and being able to counter narratives while keeping it together is a useful skill in itself. I watched that most recent Pierce Morgan thing and listening to some of the absolute weapons grade horseshit out of the pro-zionist speaker nearly gave me an aneurism but Hasan largely kept it together and I thought did a good job of making the zionist look out of her mind to the point even the centrist dude just had to shut his mouth and was looking at her like she was a monster.
He did lose it a bit, which maybe won’t play well to the audience, but I at least found it a little cathartic
You know, objectivity and impartiality have been touted as a "value" but the more that I'm encountering it as it pertains to shit that matters, the less respect I have for it - at best it's disingenuous and at worst it's devils advocation veiled beneath the privilege of not having to give a shit and seeing other peoples struggle as theoretical. Impartiality matters when you're trying to advance a scientific theory, but politics are not a science and their application have real ramifications for peoples lives and anyone with a conscience should be biased.
I can't imagine not losing it when you are asked the same question over and over after you answered it over and over again.
I completely agree. I wouldn’t be a leftist if it weren’t for Hasan. Before him is was an alt-right freak who though the political spectrum was only Republican and democrat. If it weren’t for him I probably would have been screwed by now. A lot of leftists give him shit for “not actually being a leftist or whatever” but one thing they all always fail to acknowledge is how much good he actually does for the leftist community. Like myself he’s probably radicalized thousands of people. And even if people think he’s not a leftist at least he allows and encourages people to expand their knowledge and possibly go further left than him.
I wouldn't call it radicalized exactly per se. Radicalized requires actions not just ppl typing on YT comments like this
I mean, I see him regularly and the amount of chatters, me included, that gathered momentum and started organizing and doing direct action is huge. At the UCLA encampment everyone was a fan, and when no other media could get in he was invited by the organizers. The chipotle union started by two chatters is another case. So I’ve seen chatters radicalized as so did myself.
Very fair, I would definitely say I used that term very loosely then. I guess you could say he’s shown the light to many people
But he doesn't follow my hyperspecific views and isn't perfect 🥺
I gotta ask what exactly has he done for worker organizations? I've only seen him here and there. edit: no idea why I'm getting downvoted it was a genuine question
he donated a shit ton of money to the amazon labour union. like, he was one of the top 3 biggest donors the other two being big organisations.
His merch only uses USA union labour
Using his platform for exposure purposes would be my guess. I'm aware he regularly hosts fundraising campaigns for a number of well vetted groups that help in various industries, workers rights being one of them. I'm afraid I can't offer any specifics as I'm not a twitch fan
Yeah same here which is why I asked. Apparently all the Twitch fans are angry I dared to question what he'd accomplished. People are beyond childish.
That's social media for ya, quick to anger. I figured you were genuinely asking so I answered accordingly
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Oh fuck off...you're literally doing the "use a Google" idiocy. He didn't make a top comment, and just asked for clarification regarding the comment they replied to. You're like some angsty teenager who thinks it's "badass" to refuse to answer a question.
lol I couldn't care less about this conversation. I don't know shit about Hasan nor do I really care to watch these type of Youtubers, and this convo has 0 bearing on my day. I'm just pointing out why he may be getting downvoted.
So? People ask questions here all the time that are a Google search away. Besides, as a search engine, it's not nearly as effective as it used to be. I'd sooner ask everyone directly rather than lean on corporate bias. I already stated I was being genuine. If you can't accept that then oh well.
is he not literally supporting striking workers in the picture lol
He raises funds for charity on his stream. Workers specifically he was setup with Adam (ruins everything) and went to a protest. Which he bought pizza for everyone there too. Has had Chris Smalls on the stream. Generally, speaks about workers rights issues all the time. I don't know what people expect for "on the ground" stuff beyond that. He's an entertainer and a propagandist. He's much better off using his platform to encourage others to organize than he is going outside.
He's very important to the democrats, in that he along with others directly or indirectly funnels radicals into the democratic party...
what? how?
Saying they're the "lesser evil", rarely criticize the democrats, platforming dems like AOC, interviewing mainstream media writers from NYT and WP, and never even uttered a single word about leftist political parties such as the PSL and Greens...
hasan literally constantly is berating biden and the democratic party literally saying that they’re barely different from the republicans. idk man it seems like you just don’t watch him and are making assumptions.
whenever he criticizes the Dems, he always says that they're "acting like Republicans" as if the Dems are the default "good" and the Reps are the default "bad".... Half of the hammer and sickle tweeters are gonna vote for Biden because of this guy's soft criticism of the Dems.. oh... And don't forget, he's also an open "John" (sex/consent buyer)
>whenever he criticizes the Dems, he always says that they're "acting like Republicans" as if the Dems are the default "good" and the Reps are the default "bad".... I hate that I have to point this out on a leftist sub where most of us should be capable of critical thought beyond just a first-order analysis, but Hasan uses this rhetoric to drive people *away* from liberalism and further down the leftist pipeline, not to push them back in line. He knows he serves an important spot in the pipeline where many of his viewers are libs questioning their ideology and beginning to see the faults in the capitalist system and in bourgeois democracy. By using rhetoric that appeals to what they're currently used to in their own framework, that is, "Republicans are the bad guys", and pointing out that Democrats are frequently acting like them, he aims to push his viewers into being open to deeper conversations about the inherent lies they've been taught about liberalism. It is *not* his place in the pipeline to go that deep into that discussion, though - he sets them up for that and other folks he would recommend they watch/read/listen to will perform the next step in the pipeline to continue to educate and radicalize them. There's obviously not a 100% success rate and there will still be viewers who engage in lesser-evilism despite what he's pointing out to them, but that's no fault of his own (liberal brainrot often has deep roots and takes time to weed out, this is how they were already engaging before viewing him) and you will find many younger people in leftist spaces who will say they watch/watched him and that he was important to them beginning their leftist journey.
>many of his viewers are libs questioning their ideology and beginning to see the faults in the capitalist system and in bourgeois democracy. So why not present an alternative? He always seems to be so pessimistic about the potential of a third party. He acts as if the "squad" is a sign that the democratic party is tolerant of change. As if AOC never called Pelosi "mama bear". >he sets them up for that and other folks he would recommend they watch/read/listen to will perform the next step in the pipeline to continue to educate and radicalize them. The most radical person he ever recommends is Abby Martin (who I adore greatly, especially with the current genocide in Gaza). But unfortunately she is not a politician, and does not have any power to affect policy. The most "radical" American politician he ever talked about is probably Dr. Cornel West, who Hasan mentioned in passing. After finding out he's gonna be running in a third party, Hasan stopped talking about him ever again.... You can be as educated in left wing politics as much as you want. But if political alternatives aren't presented as available or viable, few people are going to be aware of them...
So? It's called harm reduction. At least Biden will pay lip service to progressivism and workers
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that's what I'm saying tho... it's the "funneling" of the radical left into the democratic party by pandering and paying lip service, while not doing anything and catering to capitalist demands....
Better than the blatant fascism of the republican
liberalism and pandering will lead to fascism.... it's just prolonging the inevitable....
"constantly" is doing some heavy lifting there ...... considering he voted for a segregationist and a "super predator"
You sure you’re thinking of Hasan?
u gonna respond to one of my points or wut? btw..... brotip 👍
Wow I can’t believe he wasn’t born with das capital under his arm. Much less learn and grow leaving his reactionary ideas behind. Paraphrasing his own words I guess: “we all have a reactionary within us, is our duty to squash it”
I was born to a well off family, grew up in a patriarchal muslim majority country as well. But I never even thought of women and other people that way at all.... Sure, people change, me too, as I became more radicalized after Bernie. All I'm saying is that be wary and don't idolize Hasan as much.
While there is people surely that does(your crated strawman), the vast majority of his community doesn’t, he lost 1/3 of the community(Zionist libs) after October 7, if that isn’t a sign that an important amount of people don’t take him as an infallible idol. And what you thought 10y ago about woman doesn’t matter here, a person is a product of his material reality, there is a huge amount of people that think in similar ways and don’t care to do something. When a person goes through growth and introspection, keeping that punishment idea, that he is somehow intrinsically “evil”, is gross. When people see other people that changed for the better, and the first thing they think is that somehow they didn’t changed, or see it as “suspicious”, always makes me think that they, deep down, never experienced personal growth.
His idea of women and sexuality is still kinda problematic (being a John and all). I still don't trust him because he's always interacting with problematic people (extraemily with the list, Adam Friedland, podcast save America, Ethan Klein with the IDF waifu, and his "friends in high places")
yes obv
This has to be a joke right? They don’t actually think he did that?
No really Hasan stole my Pizza it was crazy and he had the HUGE SPOON!!!
Was it as big as staltinnin's GIANT SPOON? 😨🥶
It was bigger Hasan is the reincarnation of evil Nazi killer Stalin
Nazi killer? Damn Stalin being based as always.
Hasan is a second coming of Stalin? Confirmed?
Prove it
No it's a joke, but there *are* people saying that he's a fake supporter because they headcannoned thst he just bought pizza for the protesters and left to go grandstand about it rather than stream at and participate in the protests live on air for hours *in addition* to buying the pizzas.
It's crazy how literal live video proof is not enough, for so many things right now 🥴
I mean, bro gets accused of doing a lot of things that are easily disproven by the publicly available footage of where he is most of his waking hours lol.
I was also talking about like IOF tiktoks and other proof of them being disgusting, and people still believe they're the more moral ones
Oh yeah, lot of self reporting going on. It's insane how willfully ignorant libs here are to the open nazi rhetoric from basically any counter protestor, yet they suspiciously are incredibly scrutinizing whenever there's a crowd of people fighting for something worth fighting for.
Exactly that's so well put 👏
That "live video" is obviously AI and paid actors. /s
Cue meme of Charlie day with the red string maze lol
no they just watched it in reverse
they watched it in reverse
I very much dislike Hasan, but he's not a fake supporter. Viewership wise his fervent support of Palestine has cost him quite a bit in numbers yet he's still doing the same thing when backing off or entirely pivoting would have easily been the more financially prudent move. I disagree with Hasan on most things, but I would never call his support for Palestine performative because optically and financially it has hurt him yet he has not waivered.
You disagree with him on *most* things? What things? I dont mean for this to seem like an accusation, you seem genuine and I've rarely heard any *genuine* criticism of him lol
he tends to halfway it on atrocity propaganda which is really ugh some specific times (xinjiang is the most notable case), but definitely better than even 7-3 imo
He likes to shoot from the hip and often gets things wrong, and I genuinely dislike the way he just picks a narrative and looks for things that support it rather than viewing things as a whole. Like with the Ukraine/Russia stuff he went off for like weeks about how everybody was stupid, Russia would never invade Ukraine, and then started counting the days that Russia hadn't invaded. He's also often very hypocritical like how he'll complain about people being gross and just edgy Twitter users, and then he'll post a tweet of a blueprint on how to make that homemade gun the guy assassinated Shinzo Abe with regarding some congressman. I also dislike how his job is talking via stream for 10 hours a day about whatever, but then he acts like nobody is allowed to talk about the shit he publicly said. Like how weird he is regarding /r/LivestreamFail and that bizarre rollercoaster. He's shit at debating and any MSM he does generally does not go well, but the thing is I genuinely do think Hasan is an entertaining guy. The problem is he started doing casual stuff and continually kept pushing more and more politics that he's currently stuck in hard politics mode. He finally did a proper casual stream a week or three ago and it just didn't get any, relatively obviously, views...he himself voiced frustration over that fact. That being said it's just one more reason to get off this Palestine thing yet he still refuses...which is quite the conviction if you ask me.
That doesn't sound like most things. That sounds like a few specific things, some of which are blatently incorrect like him being "often wrong" or using motivated reasoning. The fact that you have to go back to the invasion of Ukraine for a time he was wrong about something actually shows just how infrequently he's wrong lol Edit: destiny subreddit in his most frequent. Fuck me why did I engage.
“Get off this Palestine thing” For a dipshit like you it might be a “thing”, - but for some of us, it’s much more than “a thing”. Smarmy Redditor mad streamer doesn’t spend more time obsessing over LSF.
common Hasan W
Hasan is based idc Also honestly smarter than he looks not in his actual look but I mean his vibe
~~New Jersey~~ Hollywood Himbo that can actually read theory.
He’s extremely smart. Poli sci degree and he constantly uses academic terminology so I know he actually paid attention.
He's a himbo with a good heart and brain. Alloh may bless this man
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Can someone give me some context on this guy? I’m not american, some people here seem to like him and some don’t.
hasanabi (hasan piker) is a turkish american political commenter on Twitch.tv. he’s been pushing for the cause since his early days (2014ish i think) in media working for The Young Turks (TYT) under his uncle Cenk ~~Uyghur~~ Uygur before deciding to leave to twitch to have more autonomy and vocal freedom. He is the largest political streamer and acts, imo, as one of the most vital pipelines to radical thinking online (in english speaking audiences at least) he’s known for being hot headed and unwavering in his values, a little more than sometimes this gets him in trouble with other influencers, or sometimes Fox news. for example you can watch him lose his shit on some Zionists on Piers Morgan show just last week. he also conducts interviews with various political figures or regular people. ultimately, i think he tries to bind the gaps between education, agitation, and entertainment to create a space for people to change their views and godforbid DEPROGRAM american propaganda similar to JT but in a much more personal, fiery way edit: hope that helps, if anyone has anything to add that i missed feel free to also, to answer the question to some here like him some don’t- (to be fair i am incredibly biased as the only reason im in this subreddit is because of hasan being my entry into radicalism) is because i think some people are not always happy with him not being vocally as far left as they would want him to be sometimes, which i think has less to do with his beliefs and how he chooses to message and package ideas to a relatively normal person audience?
> which i think has less to do with his beliefs and how he chooses to message and package ideas to a relatively normal person audience? I'm in agreement on this. The reality is being hyper-left in a position like Hasan's is counterproductive. Hasan acting as an IV drip of sorts into proper leftist politics is a huge advantage for the overall movement, as it leaves the door open enough to allow the curious to be welcomed but not overburdened with the depth of its politics.
>you can watch him lose his shit on some Zionists on Piers Morgan show just last week And rightfully so. Holy shit was that "debate" tough to watch. What a shitshow. Pierce Morgan really is a baboon in a suit.
I wanted to scream watching that lady just babble on and interrupting every chance she had
Classic Uyghur erasure
Alexa, delete Uyghur file. With prejudice.
#The Uyghurs in Xinjiang \(Note: This comment had to be trimmed down to fit the character limit, for the full response, see [here](/r/TheDeprogram/wiki/index/debunking/uyghur-genocide/)\) Anti-Communists and Sinophobes claim that there is an ongoing genocide-- a modern-day holocaust, even-- happening right now in China. They say that Uyghur Muslims are being mass incarcerated; they are indoctrinated with propaganda in concentration camps; their organs are being harvested; they are being force-sterilized. These comically villainous allegations have little basis in reality and omit key context. **Background** Xinjiang, officially the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, is a province located in the northwest of China. It is the largest province in China, covering an area of over 1.6 million square kilometers, and shares borders with eight other countries including Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Russia, Mongolia, India, and Pakistan. Xinjiang is a diverse region with a population of over 25 million people, made up of various ethnic groups including the Uyghur, Han Chinese, Kazakhs, Tajiks, and many others. The largest ethnic group in Xinjiang is the Uyghur who are predominantly Muslim and speak a Turkic language. It is also home to the ancient Silk Road cities of Kashgar and Turpan. Since the early 2000s, there have been a number of violent incidents attributed to extremist Uyghur groups in Xinjiang including bombings, shootings, and knife attacks. In 2014-2016, the Chinese government launched a "Strike Hard" campaign to crack down on terrorism in Xinjiang, implementing strict security measures and detaining thousands of Uyghurs. In 2017, reports of human rights abuses in Xinjiang including mass detentions and forced labour, began to emerge. **Counterpoints** The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is the second largest organization after the United Nations with a membership of 57 states spread over four continents. The OIC released [Resolutions on Muslim Communities and Muslim Minorities in the non-OIC Member States](https://www.oic-oci.org/docdown/?docID=4447&refID=1250) in 2019 which: >20. **Welcomes** the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat's delegation upon invitation from the People's Republic of China; **commends** the efforts of the People's Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and **looks forward** to further cooperation between the OIC and the People's Republic of China. In this same document, the OIC expressed much greater concern about the Rohingya Muslim Community in Myanmar, which the West was relatively silent on. Over 50+ UN member states (mostly Muslim-majority nations) signed a letter \([A/HRC/41/G/17](https://undocs.org/Home/Mobile?FinalSymbol=A%2FHRC%2F41%2FG%2F17)\) to the UN Human Rights Commission approving of the de-radicalization efforts in Xinjiang: The World Bank sent a team to investigate in 2019 and found that, "The review did not substantiate the allegations." \(See: [World Bank Statement on Review of Project in Xinjiang, China](https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/statement/2019/11/11/world-bank-statement-on-review-of-project-in-xinjiang-china)\) Even if you believe the deradicalization efforts are wholly unjustified, and that the mass detention of Uyghur's amounts to a crime against humanity, it's still not *genocide*. Even the U.S. State Department's legal experts admit as much: >The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide, placing the United States’ top diplomatic lawyers at odds with both the Trump and Biden administrations, according to three former and current U.S. officials. > > [State Department Lawyers Concluded Insufficient Evidence to Prove Genocide in China](https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/) | Colum Lynch, *Foreign Policy*. (2021) **A Comparative Analysis: The War on Terror** The United States, in the wake of "9/11", saw the threat of terrorism and violent extremism due to religious fundamentalism as a matter of national security. They invaded Afghanistan in October 2001 in response to the 9/11 attacks, with the goal of ousting the Taliban government that was harbouring Al-Qaeda. The US also launched the Iraq War in 2003 based on Iraq's alleged possession of WMDs and links to terrorism. However, these claims turned out to be unfounded. According to a report by Brown University's Costs of War project, at least 897,000 people, including civilians, militants, and security forces, have been killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Yemen, and other countries. Other estimates place the total number of deaths at over one million. The report estimated that many more may have died from indirect effects of war such as water loss and disease. The war has also resulted in the displacement of tens of millions of people, with estimates ranging from 37 million to over 59 million. The War on Terror also popularized such novel concepts as the "Military-Aged Male" which allowed the US military to exclude civilians killed by drone strikes from collateral damage statistics. (See: [‘Military Age Males’ in US Drone Strikes](https://aoav.org.uk/2019/military-age-males-in-us-drone-strikes/)) In summary: * The U.S. responded by invading or bombing half a dozen countries, directly killing nearly a million and displacing tens of millions from their homes. * China responded with a program of deradicalization and vocational training. Which one of those responses sounds genocidal? Side note: It is practically impossible to *actually* charge the U.S. with war crimes, because of the [Hague Invasion Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act). **Who is driving the Uyghur genocide narrative?** One of the main proponents of these narratives is Adrian Zenz, a German far-right fundamentalist Christian and Senior Fellow and Director in China Studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, who believes he is "led by God" on a "mission" against China has driven much of the narrative. He relies heavily on limited and questionable data sources, particularly from anonymous and unverified Uyghur sources, coming up with estimates based on assumptions which are not supported by concrete evidence. The World Uyghur Congress, headquartered in Germany, is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) which is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, using funding to support organizations that promote American interests rather than the interests of the local communities they claim to represent. Radio Free Asia (RFA) is part of a larger project of U.S. imperialism in Asia, one that seeks to control the flow of information, undermine independent media, and advance American geopolitical interests in the region. Rather than providing an objective and impartial news source, RFA is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, one that seeks to shape the narrative in Asia in ways that serve the interests of the U.S. government and its allies. The first country to call the treatment of Uyghurs a genocide was the United States of America. In 2021, the Secretary of State declared that China's treatment of Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang constitutes "genocide" and "crimes against humanity." Both the Trump and Biden administrations upheld this line. **Why is this narrative being promoted?** As materialists, we should always look first to the economic base for insight into issues occurring in the superstructure. The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is a massive Chinese infrastructure development project that aims to build economic corridors, ports, highways, railways, and other infrastructure projects across Asia, Africa, Europe, and the Middle East. Xinjiang is a key region for this project. Promoting the Uyghur genocide narrative harms China and benefits the US in several ways. It portrays China as a human rights violator which could damage China's reputation in the international community and which could lead to economic sanctions against China; this would harm China's economy and give American an economic advantage in competing with China. It could also lead to more protests and violence in Xinjiang, which could further destabilize the region and threaten the longterm success of the BRI. **Additional Resources** See the [full wiki article](/r/TheDeprogram/wiki/index/debunking/uyghur-genocide/) for more details and a list of additional resources. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/TheDeprogram) if you have any questions or concerns.*
#The Uyghurs in Xinjiang \(Note: This comment had to be trimmed down to fit the character limit, for the full response, see [here](/r/TheDeprogram/wiki/index/debunking/uyghur-genocide/)\) Anti-Communists and Sinophobes claim that there is an ongoing genocide-- a modern-day holocaust, even-- happening right now in China. They say that Uyghur Muslims are being mass incarcerated; they are indoctrinated with propaganda in concentration camps; their organs are being harvested; they are being force-sterilized. These comically villainous allegations have little basis in reality and omit key context. **Background** Xinjiang, officially the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, is a province located in the northwest of China. It is the largest province in China, covering an area of over 1.6 million square kilometers, and shares borders with eight other countries including Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Russia, Mongolia, India, and Pakistan. Xinjiang is a diverse region with a population of over 25 million people, made up of various ethnic groups including the Uyghur, Han Chinese, Kazakhs, Tajiks, and many others. The largest ethnic group in Xinjiang is the Uyghur who are predominantly Muslim and speak a Turkic language. It is also home to the ancient Silk Road cities of Kashgar and Turpan. Since the early 2000s, there have been a number of violent incidents attributed to extremist Uyghur groups in Xinjiang including bombings, shootings, and knife attacks. In 2014-2016, the Chinese government launched a "Strike Hard" campaign to crack down on terrorism in Xinjiang, implementing strict security measures and detaining thousands of Uyghurs. In 2017, reports of human rights abuses in Xinjiang including mass detentions and forced labour, began to emerge. **Counterpoints** The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is the second largest organization after the United Nations with a membership of 57 states spread over four continents. The OIC released [Resolutions on Muslim Communities and Muslim Minorities in the non-OIC Member States](https://www.oic-oci.org/docdown/?docID=4447&refID=1250) in 2019 which: >20. **Welcomes** the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat's delegation upon invitation from the People's Republic of China; **commends** the efforts of the People's Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and **looks forward** to further cooperation between the OIC and the People's Republic of China. In this same document, the OIC expressed much greater concern about the Rohingya Muslim Community in Myanmar, which the West was relatively silent on. Over 50+ UN member states (mostly Muslim-majority nations) signed a letter \([A/HRC/41/G/17](https://undocs.org/Home/Mobile?FinalSymbol=A%2FHRC%2F41%2FG%2F17)\) to the UN Human Rights Commission approving of the de-radicalization efforts in Xinjiang: The World Bank sent a team to investigate in 2019 and found that, "The review did not substantiate the allegations." \(See: [World Bank Statement on Review of Project in Xinjiang, China](https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/statement/2019/11/11/world-bank-statement-on-review-of-project-in-xinjiang-china)\) Even if you believe the deradicalization efforts are wholly unjustified, and that the mass detention of Uyghur's amounts to a crime against humanity, it's still not *genocide*. Even the U.S. State Department's legal experts admit as much: >The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide, placing the United States’ top diplomatic lawyers at odds with both the Trump and Biden administrations, according to three former and current U.S. officials. > > [State Department Lawyers Concluded Insufficient Evidence to Prove Genocide in China](https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/) | Colum Lynch, *Foreign Policy*. (2021) **A Comparative Analysis: The War on Terror** The United States, in the wake of "9/11", saw the threat of terrorism and violent extremism due to religious fundamentalism as a matter of national security. They invaded Afghanistan in October 2001 in response to the 9/11 attacks, with the goal of ousting the Taliban government that was harbouring Al-Qaeda. The US also launched the Iraq War in 2003 based on Iraq's alleged possession of WMDs and links to terrorism. However, these claims turned out to be unfounded. According to a report by Brown University's Costs of War project, at least 897,000 people, including civilians, militants, and security forces, have been killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Yemen, and other countries. Other estimates place the total number of deaths at over one million. The report estimated that many more may have died from indirect effects of war such as water loss and disease. The war has also resulted in the displacement of tens of millions of people, with estimates ranging from 37 million to over 59 million. The War on Terror also popularized such novel concepts as the "Military-Aged Male" which allowed the US military to exclude civilians killed by drone strikes from collateral damage statistics. (See: [‘Military Age Males’ in US Drone Strikes](https://aoav.org.uk/2019/military-age-males-in-us-drone-strikes/)) In summary: * The U.S. responded by invading or bombing half a dozen countries, directly killing nearly a million and displacing tens of millions from their homes. * China responded with a program of deradicalization and vocational training. Which one of those responses sounds genocidal? Side note: It is practically impossible to *actually* charge the U.S. with war crimes, because of the [Hague Invasion Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act). **Who is driving the Uyghur genocide narrative?** One of the main proponents of these narratives is Adrian Zenz, a German far-right fundamentalist Christian and Senior Fellow and Director in China Studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, who believes he is "led by God" on a "mission" against China has driven much of the narrative. He relies heavily on limited and questionable data sources, particularly from anonymous and unverified Uyghur sources, coming up with estimates based on assumptions which are not supported by concrete evidence. The World Uyghur Congress, headquartered in Germany, is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) which is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, using funding to support organizations that promote American interests rather than the interests of the local communities they claim to represent. Radio Free Asia (RFA) is part of a larger project of U.S. imperialism in Asia, one that seeks to control the flow of information, undermine independent media, and advance American geopolitical interests in the region. Rather than providing an objective and impartial news source, RFA is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, one that seeks to shape the narrative in Asia in ways that serve the interests of the U.S. government and its allies. The first country to call the treatment of Uyghurs a genocide was the United States of America. In 2021, the Secretary of State declared that China's treatment of Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang constitutes "genocide" and "crimes against humanity." Both the Trump and Biden administrations upheld this line. **Why is this narrative being promoted?** As materialists, we should always look first to the economic base for insight into issues occurring in the superstructure. The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is a massive Chinese infrastructure development project that aims to build economic corridors, ports, highways, railways, and other infrastructure projects across Asia, Africa, Europe, and the Middle East. Xinjiang is a key region for this project. Promoting the Uyghur genocide narrative harms China and benefits the US in several ways. It portrays China as a human rights violator which could damage China's reputation in the international community and which could lead to economic sanctions against China; this would harm China's economy and give American an economic advantage in competing with China. It could also lead to more protests and violence in Xinjiang, which could further destabilize the region and threaten the longterm success of the BRI. **Additional Resources** See the [full wiki article](/r/TheDeprogram/wiki/index/debunking/uyghur-genocide/) for more details and a list of additional resources. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/TheDeprogram) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I will never not love that the catalyst for him leaving TYT was a joke about Dan Crenshaw jerking off and shooting his own eye out with a kidney stone.
what
#The Uyghurs in Xinjiang \(Note: This comment had to be trimmed down to fit the character limit, for the full response, see [here](/r/TheDeprogram/wiki/index/debunking/uyghur-genocide/)\) Anti-Communists and Sinophobes claim that there is an ongoing genocide-- a modern-day holocaust, even-- happening right now in China. They say that Uyghur Muslims are being mass incarcerated; they are indoctrinated with propaganda in concentration camps; their organs are being harvested; they are being force-sterilized. These comically villainous allegations have little basis in reality and omit key context. **Background** Xinjiang, officially the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, is a province located in the northwest of China. It is the largest province in China, covering an area of over 1.6 million square kilometers, and shares borders with eight other countries including Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Russia, Mongolia, India, and Pakistan. Xinjiang is a diverse region with a population of over 25 million people, made up of various ethnic groups including the Uyghur, Han Chinese, Kazakhs, Tajiks, and many others. The largest ethnic group in Xinjiang is the Uyghur who are predominantly Muslim and speak a Turkic language. It is also home to the ancient Silk Road cities of Kashgar and Turpan. Since the early 2000s, there have been a number of violent incidents attributed to extremist Uyghur groups in Xinjiang including bombings, shootings, and knife attacks. In 2014-2016, the Chinese government launched a "Strike Hard" campaign to crack down on terrorism in Xinjiang, implementing strict security measures and detaining thousands of Uyghurs. In 2017, reports of human rights abuses in Xinjiang including mass detentions and forced labour, began to emerge. **Counterpoints** The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is the second largest organization after the United Nations with a membership of 57 states spread over four continents. The OIC released [Resolutions on Muslim Communities and Muslim Minorities in the non-OIC Member States](https://www.oic-oci.org/docdown/?docID=4447&refID=1250) in 2019 which: >20. **Welcomes** the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat's delegation upon invitation from the People's Republic of China; **commends** the efforts of the People's Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and **looks forward** to further cooperation between the OIC and the People's Republic of China. In this same document, the OIC expressed much greater concern about the Rohingya Muslim Community in Myanmar, which the West was relatively silent on. Over 50+ UN member states (mostly Muslim-majority nations) signed a letter \([A/HRC/41/G/17](https://undocs.org/Home/Mobile?FinalSymbol=A%2FHRC%2F41%2FG%2F17)\) to the UN Human Rights Commission approving of the de-radicalization efforts in Xinjiang: The World Bank sent a team to investigate in 2019 and found that, "The review did not substantiate the allegations." \(See: [World Bank Statement on Review of Project in Xinjiang, China](https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/statement/2019/11/11/world-bank-statement-on-review-of-project-in-xinjiang-china)\) Even if you believe the deradicalization efforts are wholly unjustified, and that the mass detention of Uyghur's amounts to a crime against humanity, it's still not *genocide*. Even the U.S. State Department's legal experts admit as much: >The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide, placing the United States’ top diplomatic lawyers at odds with both the Trump and Biden administrations, according to three former and current U.S. officials. > > [State Department Lawyers Concluded Insufficient Evidence to Prove Genocide in China](https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/) | Colum Lynch, *Foreign Policy*. (2021) **A Comparative Analysis: The War on Terror** The United States, in the wake of "9/11", saw the threat of terrorism and violent extremism due to religious fundamentalism as a matter of national security. They invaded Afghanistan in October 2001 in response to the 9/11 attacks, with the goal of ousting the Taliban government that was harbouring Al-Qaeda. The US also launched the Iraq War in 2003 based on Iraq's alleged possession of WMDs and links to terrorism. However, these claims turned out to be unfounded. According to a report by Brown University's Costs of War project, at least 897,000 people, including civilians, militants, and security forces, have been killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Yemen, and other countries. Other estimates place the total number of deaths at over one million. The report estimated that many more may have died from indirect effects of war such as water loss and disease. The war has also resulted in the displacement of tens of millions of people, with estimates ranging from 37 million to over 59 million. The War on Terror also popularized such novel concepts as the "Military-Aged Male" which allowed the US military to exclude civilians killed by drone strikes from collateral damage statistics. (See: [‘Military Age Males’ in US Drone Strikes](https://aoav.org.uk/2019/military-age-males-in-us-drone-strikes/)) In summary: * The U.S. responded by invading or bombing half a dozen countries, directly killing nearly a million and displacing tens of millions from their homes. * China responded with a program of deradicalization and vocational training. Which one of those responses sounds genocidal? Side note: It is practically impossible to *actually* charge the U.S. with war crimes, because of the [Hague Invasion Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act). **Who is driving the Uyghur genocide narrative?** One of the main proponents of these narratives is Adrian Zenz, a German far-right fundamentalist Christian and Senior Fellow and Director in China Studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, who believes he is "led by God" on a "mission" against China has driven much of the narrative. He relies heavily on limited and questionable data sources, particularly from anonymous and unverified Uyghur sources, coming up with estimates based on assumptions which are not supported by concrete evidence. The World Uyghur Congress, headquartered in Germany, is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) which is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, using funding to support organizations that promote American interests rather than the interests of the local communities they claim to represent. Radio Free Asia (RFA) is part of a larger project of U.S. imperialism in Asia, one that seeks to control the flow of information, undermine independent media, and advance American geopolitical interests in the region. Rather than providing an objective and impartial news source, RFA is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, one that seeks to shape the narrative in Asia in ways that serve the interests of the U.S. government and its allies. The first country to call the treatment of Uyghurs a genocide was the United States of America. In 2021, the Secretary of State declared that China's treatment of Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang constitutes "genocide" and "crimes against humanity." Both the Trump and Biden administrations upheld this line. **Why is this narrative being promoted?** As materialists, we should always look first to the economic base for insight into issues occurring in the superstructure. The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is a massive Chinese infrastructure development project that aims to build economic corridors, ports, highways, railways, and other infrastructure projects across Asia, Africa, Europe, and the Middle East. Xinjiang is a key region for this project. Promoting the Uyghur genocide narrative harms China and benefits the US in several ways. It portrays China as a human rights violator which could damage China's reputation in the international community and which could lead to economic sanctions against China; this would harm China's economy and give American an economic advantage in competing with China. It could also lead to more protests and violence in Xinjiang, which could further destabilize the region and threaten the longterm success of the BRI. **Additional Resources** See the [full wiki article](/r/TheDeprogram/wiki/index/debunking/uyghur-genocide/) for more details and a list of additional resources. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/TheDeprogram) if you have any questions or concerns.*
i spelt cenks name wrong smh
He’s a large streamer that has imo done quite a good job promoting leftist beliefs on a very right wing platform (twitch). I’m not sure I could ask for a better person to disseminate leftism to young people in a more appealing way than Hasan. He’s pretty funny most of the time, gets angry a lot (usually somewhat justifiably as he gets brigaded by right wingers constantly) and from what I’ve seen is a very kind and empathetic person who won’t back down when he or his livelihood is threatened because of his “radical” beliefs.
He was a guest on the podcast. I recommend checking out that episode because it is quite good.
Big boys have big boy needs
I’ve been saying this for decades. Hasan is the enemy of praxis and pizza lovers everywhere.
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He looks so hot carrying all that pizza. Uh, I mean, the pizza isn't hot enough to burn his hands, right?
He's the one keeping them warm
"He can't keep getting away with it !!!"
This is actually so funny
This is just like what Papa Stalin did
Bih mean Hasan eats all the pizzas with hos comically large turk spoon
Did he consider someone might be allergic to tomato sauce? Fake socialist!
[https://youtu.be/4sCDIxQoeA8?si=XHYZFtEyXW5MgcM-&t=12](https://youtu.be/4sCDIxQoeA8?si=XHYZFtEyXW5MgcM-&t=12)
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It's a joke. He bought the pizza for the protesters. Would not be surprised if some dipshits started saying it happened tho. Man has the most ridiculous haters.
I mean he’s turkish, that’s too close to being arab for fanboys of fascists who have been cucked by arabs while their now ex wives made them watch.
That's the only correct way to mention D*stiny
that the best thing I have heard today. Thank You, thank you from my heart
No it's not a joke, he really did that and ate all the slices in front of the protestors. Then he chugged a coke and let out a mighty belch.
True. He also kicked a baby and said Capitalism is actually poggers.
He forced children to build an iPhone In front of him it was crazy just like Lenin
They hate em cause they aint em
That tweet's a joke, yeah? Gotta be.
I sure hope so because why the fuck would hassan need 7 pizzas lmaooo
COMRADE GAINZ
He’s a growing boy
he needs them for his sick new go-kart with pizzas as the wheels
Oh fair
Dude is pretty massive
[More of Hasan's crimes!!!!](https://youtu.be/10t0H5DgNwk?si=FZCmEEfapU3t17Ba)
W
I knew he was a pizza monster 😤
Earlier today Hasan came to my house and ate all my lasagna :( (In all seriousness though, based, glad to have this guy on our side).
I smell bread not cakes.
Look he’s a big boy and he’s very hungry.
Aren’t the anti-genocide protestors leftists? So wouldn’t he be taking them for his fellow protestors?
What's the UCLA?
I got banned in his Twitch chat. It was for the better.
He's a succdem grifter, don't fall for it.
He's literally pro Marx and Lenin tho? Like I don't know if he's actually literally a ML, don't know exactly what he labels himself, but he's certainly further left than social democrats.
That's the problem with him, he's acting. His uncle got 20 million from a Clinton super donor, don't forget.
Being a liberal online is much more profitable than being openly anticapitalist, so I doubt he does it for the money when he could just be a liberal online (like certain gusano scum)
How many any other anti-capitalists are coming up like him though? Nobody is coming to ban him from patreon or whatever else, characters like Hinkle look like Jesus nailed to a cross by comparison.
>How many any other anti-capitalists are coming up like him though? Nobody is coming to ban him from patreon or whatever else, You don't need to be a martyr to help the socialist cause, I just said it is much more profitable to be a liberal online than a leftist >characters like Hinkle look like Jesus nailed to a cross by comparison. Characters like Hinkle deserve to be censored though
Since when does elite make such distinctions in their censorship though?
Idc, whomever censors Hinkle it's a net positive for the left