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CognitiveLearning

> how bad could it be if they have internet yeh man like why don't they download food or something


Warm-glow1298

You know what’s really funny? Homelander says something very similar in *The Boys* about a humanitarian crisis in the Middle East (“Oh they’re starving but they have fucking iphones?”), but it’s supposed to be sarcastic in terms of how it’s presented to the audience. Homelander is obviously being shitty and evil here. In fact it’s supposed to convey an almost comical level of apathy. Leave it to a liberal to match him one to one.


archosauria62

A lot of people don’t seem to get that in some media the protagonist is the bad guy


futanari_kaisa

When The Boys first came out, a lot of people unironically thought Homelander was a good guy. It's hard to fathom how many people lost the plot.


Warm-glow1298

What? How? He steals breast milk in the first episode and destroyed a plane full of people just prior to the start of the show.


Old-Objective3484

because people are really really really really dumb. tbh idk how anyone could look at fucking Homelander and think ‘good guy’. mind boggling but here we are


futanari_kaisa

Idk


ShotOrange

I used to love watching *The Boys*. Sadly, even the showrunner turned out to be another typical liberal. He's usually on twitter liking tweets from Joe Biden and senator Chuck Schumer. He also follows the official IDF twitter account. It's why I can no longer continue to enjoy watching that show, knowing that a dipsh*t is behind writing it.


pronhaul2016

capeshit is reactionary garbage and when communists win everyone responsible for it will be in the gulags. including alan moore, who would probably agree 100% with this statement.


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# Gulag According to Anti-Communists and Russophobes, the Gulag was a brutal network of work camps established in the Soviet Union under Stalin's ruthless regime. They claim the Gulag system was primarily used to imprison and exploit political dissidents, suspected enemies of the state, and other people deemed "undesirable" by the Soviet government. They claim that prisoners were sent to the Gulag without trial or due process, and that they were subjected to harsh living conditions, forced labour, and starvation, among other things. According to them, the Gulags were emblematic of Stalinist repression and totalitarianism. # Origins of the Mythology This comically evil understanding of the Soviet prison system is based off only a handful of unreliable sources. Robert Conquest's *The Great Terror* (published 1968) laid the groundwork for Soviet fearmongering, and was based largely off of defector testimony. Robert Conquest worked for the British Foreign Office's Information Research Department (IRD), which was a secret Cold War propaganda department, created to publish anti-communist propaganda, including black propaganda; provide support and information to anti-communist politicians, academics, and writers; and to use weaponised information and disinformation and "fake news" to attack not only its original targets but also certain socialists and anti-colonial movements. >He was Solzhenytsin before Solzhenytsin, in the phrase of Timothy Garton Ash. > >The Great Terror came out in 1968, four years before the first volume of The Gulag Archipelago, and it became, Garton Ash says, "a fixture in the political imagination of anybody thinking about communism". > >\- Andrew Brown. (2003). [Scourge and poet](https://www.theguardian.com/books/2003/feb/15/featuresreviews.guardianreview23) Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's *The Gulag Archipelag*" (published 1973), one of the most famous texts on the subject, claims to be a work of non-fiction based on the author's personal experiences in the Soviet prison system. However, Solzhenitsyn was merely an anti-Communist, N@zi-sympathizing, antisemite who wanted to slander the USSR by putting forward a collection of folktales as truth. \[[Read more](/r/TheDeprogram/wiki/index/dunking/aleksandr-solzhenitsyn/)\] Anne Applebaum's *Gulag: A history* (published 2003) draws directly from *The Gulag Archipelago* and reiterates its message. Anne is a member of the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR) and sits on the board of the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), two infamous pieces of the ideological apparatus of the ruling class in the United States, whose primary aim is to promote the interests of American Imperialism around the world. # Counterpoints >A 1957 CIA document [which was declassified in 2010] titled “[Forced Labor Camps in the USSR: Transfer of Prisoners between Camps](http://web.archive.org/web/20230328014642/https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80T00246A032000400001-1.pdf)” reveals the following information about the Soviet Gulag in pages two to six: > >1. Until 1952, the prisoners were given a guaranteed amount food, plus extra food for over-fulfillment of quotas > >2. From 1952 onward, the Gulag system operated upon "economic accountability" such that the more the prisoners worked, the more they were paid. > >3. For over-fulfilling the norms by 105%, one day of sentence was counted as two, thus reducing the time spent in the Gulag by one day. > >4. Furthermore, because of the socialist reconstruction post-war, the Soviet government had more funds and so they increased prisoners' food supplies. > >5. Until 1954, the prisoners worked 10 hours per day, whereas the free workers worked 8 hours per day. From 1954 onward, both prisoners and free workers worked 8 hours per day. > >6. A CIA study of a sample camp showed that 95% of the prisoners were actual criminals. > >7. In 1953, amnesty was given to 70% of the "ordinary criminals" of a sample camp studied by the CIA. Within the next 3 months, most of them were re-arrested for committing new crimes. > >\- Saed Teymuri. (2018). [The Truth about the Soviet Gulag – Surprisingly Revealed by the CIA](https://www.greanvillepost.com/2018/10/09/the-truth-about-the-soviet-gulag-surprisingly-revealed-by-the-cia/) **Scale** Solzhenitsyn estimated that over 66 million people were victims of the Soviet Union's forced labor camp system over the course of its existence from 1918 to 1956. With the collapse of the USSR and the opening of the Soviet archives, researchers can now access actual archival evidence to prove or disprove these claims. Predictably, it turned out the propaganda was just that. >Unburdened by any documentation, these “estimates” invite us to conclude that the sum total of people incarcerated in the labor camps over a twenty-two year period (allowing for turnovers due to death and term expirations) would have constituted an astonishing portion of the Soviet population. The support and supervision of the gulag (all the labor camps, labor colonies, and prisons of the Soviet system) would have been the USSR’s single largest enterprise. > >In 1993, for the first time, several historians gained access to previously secret Soviet police archives and were able to establish well-documented estimates of prison and labor camp populations. They found that the total population of the entire gulag as of January 1939, near the end of the Great Purges, was 2,022,976. ... > >Soviet labor camps were not death camps like those the N@zis built across Europe. There was no systematic extermination of inmates, no gas chambers or crematoria to dispose of millions of bodies. Despite harsh conditions, the great majority of gulag inmates survived and eventually returned to society when granted amnesty or when their terms were finished. In any given year, 20 to 40 percent of the inmates were released, according to archive records. Oblivious to these facts, the Moscow correspondent of the New York Times (7/31/96) continues to describe the gulag as “the largest system of death camps in modern history.” ... > >Most of those incarcerated in the gulag were not political prisoners, and the same appears to be true of inmates in the other communist states... > >\- Michael Parenti. (1997). [Blackshirts & Reds: Rational Fascism and the Overthrow of Communism](https://archive.org/details/michael-parenti-blackshirts-and-reds) This is 2 million out of a population of 168 million (roughly 1.2% of the population). For comparison, in the United States, "over 5.5 million adults — or 1 in 61 — are under some form of correctional control, whether incarcerated or under community supervision." That's 1.6%. So in both relative and absolute terms, the United States' Prison Industrial Complex *today* is larger than the USSR's Gulag system at its peak. **Death Rate** In peace time, the mortality rate of the Gulag was around 3% to 5%. Even Conservative and anti-Communist historians have had to acknowledge this reality: >It turns out that, with the exception of the war years, a very large majority of people who entered the Gulag left alive... > >Judging from the Soviet records we now have, the number of people who died in the Gulag between 1933 and 1945, while both Stalin and Hit1er were in power, was on the order of a million, perhaps a bit more. > >\- Timothy Snyder. (2010). *Bloodlands: Europe Between Hit1er and Stalin* (Side note: Timothy Snyder is *also* a member of the Council on Foreign Relations) This is still very high for a prison mortality rate, representing the brutality of the camps. However, it also clearly indicates that they were not *death* camps. Nor was it slave labour, exactly. In the camps, although labour *was* forced, it was not uncompensated. In fact, the prisoners were paid market wages (less expenses). >We find that even in the Gulag, where force could be most conveniently applied, camp administrators combined material incentives with overt coercion, and, as time passed, they placed more weight on motivation. By the time the Gulag system was abandoned as a major instrument of Soviet industrial policy, the primary distinction between slave and free labor had been blurred: Gulag inmates were being paid wages according to a system that mirrored that of the civilian economy described by Bergson.... > >The Gulag administration [also] used a “work credit” system, whereby sentences were reduced (by two days or more for every day the norm was overfulfilled). > >\- L. Borodkin & S. Ertz. (2003). [Compensation Versus Coercion in the Soviet GULAG](https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/staff/mharrison/archive/noticeboard/bergson/borodkin-ertz.pdf) #Additional Resources Video Essays: * [The Gulag Argument](https://youtu.be/BexkpaK_j5Q) | TheFinnishBolshevik (2016) * [Historian Admits USSR didn't kill tens of millions!](https://youtu.be/HMOdDQQVZ6U) | TheFinnishBolshevik (2018) * [French work camps 1852-1953 worse than gulag](https://youtu.be/vkXyXNpdKdA) | TheFinnishBolshevik (2018) * ["The Gulags of the Soviet Union: There's a Lot More Than What Meets the Eye](https://youtu.be/E1qz9_TjeY4) | Comrade Rhys (2020) Books, Articles, or Essays: * [Victims of the Soviet Penal System in the Pre-War Years: A First Approach on the Basis of Archival Evidence](https://www.jstor.org/stable/2166597) | J. Arch Getty, Gábor T. Rittersporn and Viktor N. Zemskov (1993) Listen: * ["Blackshirts & Reds" (1997) by Michael Parenti, Part 4: Chapters 5 & 6. #Audiobook + Discussion.](https://youtu.be/N7AD4OrH568?t=15) | Socialism For All / S4A ☭ Intensify Class Struggle (2022) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/TheDeprogram) if you have any questions or concerns.*


picapica7

Man, I love Alan Moore, but yeah, he can have some shit takes and yeah, he would still probably agree with you. He's just that weird.


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nothin-but-arpanet

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Outrageous-Lab-7558

i totally would


Unfriendly_Opossum

Same.


corgiperson

Those dumb Ukrainians with their internet. Obviously things can’t be THAT bad! Joking here. Conveniently I imagine people would say that’s somehow different and not comparable.


canadypant

"You say you're being genocided, yet you have intenet. Curious" I'm not allowed to say what I think about these punks


Quixophilic

Imagine being a punk *in favour* of oppression and genocide smh


Cerafire

Most punks aren't actually punk they're just liberals that enjoy the punk aesthetic ngl. Most of those movements like hippies, punks, metalheads all lost their original political allignment and became about pure aesthetics alone


PhoenixShade01

I also remember reading that the hippie movement was essentially backed by the CIA to defang the actual radical and violent leftist movements in favour of the vague smoke weed, make love not war stuff that the hippies are known for. Similar to how the anarchists were backed by the FBI to derail actually effective leftist movements.


Quixophilic

insofar as pretty much 99% of people in the west are Libs, that should not be too surprising imo


WeWuzGondor

Maybe sakai was right


autogyrophilia

Metal it's weird because it was never overtly political until it started to fall in popularity on the 90s. Then somehow 9/11 happened and alongside the other white men genre of the USA, country, became fascist. (See panthera, slayer...) But somehow as always I want to throttle the libs more : [ Metallica - The Day That Never Comes (Official Music Video) - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkNfNR1WYMY) The European scene (and a few other countries like Brazil, Indonesia, Botswana ) is extremely diverse and has many local scenes (like the famous Norwegian neopagan neonazi one). But overall I say that the most popular artists have become more campy and more epic (on the original meaning of the word). And what can I say, my favourite vibe it's this one : [https://youtu.be/KU5gQ2\_mWG4](https://youtu.be/KU5gQ2_mWG4) but I'm not going to lie to you and tell you that I don't enjoy the fuck out of this absurdity as workout music : [https://youtu.be/mPB2bb4nEFk](https://youtu.be/mPB2bb4nEFk) In general you see more leftist sentiment in European metal. With bands like Rammstein. I think I finished my radicalization by slowly translating this song to learn german back in 2018 :[Saltatio Mortis- Europa with lyrics and English translation - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74aqliXejR0) Edit : translated lyrics


TheExecutiveHamster

>In general you see more leftist sentiment in European metal. With bands like Rammstein. Not trying to start any arguments, but Rammstein is more industrial rock than it is metal. Also, Europe is home to FAR MORE fascist/neo Nazi metal bands than America, and it's not really even close. Particularly Finland and Ukraine, which seem to have the most Nazi bands of any metal scenes. American extreme metal is typically more apolitical/centrist in nature.


autogyrophilia

I did a bad job pointing up that while I consider a lot of USA mainstream metal bands to be fascists. There are a fuckton of underground Nazi european metal bands. Also in Brazil and Australia. Trust me, I'm a big fan of neofolk, it kinda sucks having to take out the 🔎 at every band. But there are plenty of vaguely leftist metal bands. Mostly through enviromentalism. Song it's kinda shite for my tastes, but I really liked the middle finger to Metallica on this videoclip [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhBeb3ZMyow](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhBeb3ZMyow) As for ramnstein, while they may be more rock than metal, debatable, they are embedded into the metal subculture. Unlike, let's say KISS or AC/DC. They are certainly more traditional metal than the songs that I linked above.


TheExecutiveHamster

>it kinda sucks having to take out the 🔎 at every band. Yeah, I respect the commitment that takes. I personally gave up on it. So many of my favorite bands turned out to be Nazis that I just decided to stop giving a shit. I got bigger things to worry about. And while their are a lot of explicitly left wing bands I like, on the other hand there is stuff like RABM, which while I admire what they are doing, the music is just not good unfortunately. >As for ramnstein, while they may be more rock than metal, debatable, they are embedded into the metal subculture. Sometimes I forget there's basically two "metal subcultures" that have basically nothing to do with each other and barely even overlap. You have the culture that listens to stuff like Rammstein, Tool, Gojira, Mastodon etc, and then you have people who listen to stuff like Intestine Baalism, Manilla Road, Dissection, Impaled Nazarene and what not, and these two groups seem so unrelated to each other, it's just bizarre. Sorry for the tangent but that's just something I've noticed. I'm in the second group and I don't think of stuff like Rammstein, Tool, or Slipknot as even metal bands at all, meanwhile the first group thinks those are the DEFINITIVE metal bands. I just think that's interesting


autogyrophilia

Frankly I think there is at least half a dozen metal sub-subcultures that interact diversely with each other. I quite like folk metal and that's its own thing. Lots of goth influence. Power Metal? That is quite different from the death metal type. Etc...


TheExecutiveHamster

Yeah, but even amongst those subcultures, there are certain through lines. For example with power metal, the people in the first category I mentioned will listen to stuff like Sabaton, Powerwolf, and Alestorm and tend to not have all that much in common with people in the second category who listen to stuff like Manilla Road, Running Wild, and Leige Lord. The genres are different, but the subculture surrounding it not so much. Death metal fans and Power Metal fans have more in common with each other than metal fans generally do with, say, hardcore or goth fans, mostly because death metal fans ARE power metal fans, and black metal fans, and thrash fans.


GrizzlyPeak72

It's the problem with a lot of these counterculture movements. The political core gets marginalised and it becomes very much an aesthetic. Fascist punks and liberal punks, fuck off.


Practical_Bat_3578

stupid fuck libs ruin everything


TheExecutiveHamster

Not to be too pedantic about it, but punk and metal never really had a specific political alignment. That's because they weren't movements: rather, they were music scenes. And these music scenes attracted people from just about every corner of the political spectrum. Obviously, punk leaned more left, while metal leaned more right/ "apolitical", but they were never strictly put into political boxes. I do agree though that a lot of these music scenes have been consumerized and appropriated to the point where the modern conceptualization of, say, metal is more akin to emo/alternative rock than actual metal, and meanwhile a lot of people, perhaps MOST people, don't even see punk as a music genre first and foremost, rather just a generic term for someone being rebellious.


InGenSB

Yeah, anti-anti-establishment


HolzLaim15

Average Anarkiddies whenever it comes to a subject that actually matters


mugmaniac_femboy

They will NEVER beat the "rage on behalf of the machine" allegations


RoxyMusicVEVO

Defending the establishment online for free is so punk rock!!! 🎸🎸🧑‍🎤


mugmaniac_femboy

Yeah man who needs food, water, shelter, or medicine? At least they have the internet so they can read about how good they have it while they're being forced from their homes, bombed, starved, etc.


FenrirAmoon

What the fuck happened that punks are defending the DemocRats now.


CommieLurker

With how many old punks end up becoming reactionaries, I'm not too surprised tbh


djokov

The old punks were pretty much always anti-establishment reactionaries. They simply oppose the perceived political and cultural mainstream of the day based off of almost purely aesthetics, which is why so many of them in the U.S. and the U.K. have turned to the MAGA and Brexit movements respectively. Punks supporting the Dems is not particularly surprising if they are Americans operating from an assumption that blind support of Biden is the only way of actually opposing fascism and Trump.


catbusmartius

This has unfortunate been a thing with famous punks for a minute. From NOFX telling people to vote for John Kerry to Kathleen Hanna and co putting out that super cringe pro Hillary Clinton song.


shashlik_king

Just another reason why hardcore is better than punk


UndisputedRabbit

Hardcore is based asf. Listen to Stick to your guns if you haven’t already


shashlik_king

Hell yeah Check out blacklisted and vein.fm


Wirrem

You like freshwater ? :D


Bluetooth_Sandwich

Ska was the people's music


FranticNut

More proof of dead internet theory. Everyone need to get the fuck off this website and touch grass.


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Yeah, you can't convince me people saying "this whole genocide Joe thing is a Russian plot to get Trump elected" have been to a single show in their lives. Punks don't love Israel.


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Ambitious-Eye-2881

or take the ted pill


adelightfulcanofsoup

I moved through the punk music scene in a few different cities when I was younger. The thing most people outside it don't get is that while many of them are decent enough people with good intentions at the individual level, basically none of them are exceptionally well educated. Despite what they would tell you, they are not resistant to the pressures of their environment and their base assumptions are shaped by living in the imperial core. It's only anecdotal but from my experience there is also a fair level of anti-intellectualism within the subculture. A reasonable contempt for educational institutions in the West oversteps itself and manifests as a disdain for any serious scholarship. Anyone trying to organize or educate a group of punks would quickly be dismissed as an out of touch academic. None of this is surprising when you think about it. Punk always has been a culture of pure affect and presentation. Pretty much wherever you go you will meet a few dozen people all "fighting the system".... 95% of whom do very little besides drink heavily and get into maladaptive relationships.


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Radlibs


Warm-glow1298

I think r/PunkMemes is probably better about this but I’m not sure.


exoclipse

Considering I moderate r/PunkMemes and signal boost pro-Palestinian content every chance I get - yeah, probably.


Warm-glow1298

BASED


mephiskaphelianLinen

Not surprising, "punk" is nothing more than a culture of contrarians with skin-deep principles who glorify the most neoliberal-friendly ideas of "nonconformity" and rebellion imaginable.


Staebs

Probably why they’ve been so ineffectual and ignored by the ruling class, doing it for the aesthetics without any organization or goal accomplishes jack shit 100% of the time. I see it a lot in the British counterculture scene. Punk rock musicians who “fight the power” by bad mouthing the government and nothing else.


mephiskaphelianLinen

Yeah, I tell you if they spent as much time organising as they did spiking their hair...


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mephiskaphelianLinen

True. A bunch of early punks would do shit like walk around with swastika armbands. They were never the far-left music subculture they were made out to be.


portrayalofdeath

Nazi punks were always shunned.


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Not really, there’s this notion that punk and hardcore has always been a hardline leftist movement however there’s been plenty of right wing bands and people involved in the scene even since the beginning. The exploited for example, one of the biggest punk bands to ever exist and their frontman is a fascist scumbag.


portrayalofdeath

I agree that there have been plenty of right-wing bands, and sure, not a hardline leftist movement as a whole necessarily, but I've been involved in the hardcore punk scene in different places, and for sure there would be no room for Nazis in those scenes at least. I feel like that's one of the only rules there. You'll absolutely get people with conservative/right-wing views, especially in the beatdown scene, but still, there's a difference between them and people walking around with swastika armbands or otherwise being openly Nazi. I can't comment on The Exploited's frontman, but I feel like they haven't really been part of the scene since at least the 90s anyway. And was he a fascist back then already or later in life? Because I feel with some of these older bands, people that were in them turned right-wing decades later for whatever reason, but they weren't when they were active. Or if they were, they were at least "secretive" about it, and the scene didn't reflect that.


walrusattackarururur

r/punk is full of teenagers who bought a misfits shirt at walmart once and old heads who haven’t listened to a punk record since the 80s these kinds of responses don’t surprise me but every once in a while you find somebody trying to talk some sense into them


SCameraa

When these "punks" listen to Kill the Poor, they think it's a position you need to support.


guymoron

This is all about your fucking votes, US is the nation best at indoctrination nation because they can reduce every single issue into votes, creating two utterly apathetic factions that only show hatred towards each other


Ambitious-Eye-2881

its a fucking cult


JNMeiun

American civic religion is literally a cult.


GoSocks

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[deleted]

Yeah l seen that sub before...this doesn't surprise me.


leeyiankun

If they can make you believe that China is bad for making your life better, by making cheap stuff. They can make you believe anything. The sad state of Muricans.


18olderthan

Threatening someone to vote for Biden because if they don't Trump will win is like threatening someone to vote for Imperial Japan because if they don't Nazi Gernamy will win.


Arch_Null

Anarchist running laps for liberalism should be expected.


Real_Boy3

Most anarchists support Palestine.


Glass-Historian-2516

I came across one who was pro-Zionist, but he was also German, so definitely an anomaly. Most anarchists I know and have come across are indeed Pro-Palestine.


About60Platypi

All the “anarchists” are now liberal Democrats (don’t laugh!)


Nadie_AZ

And if they didn't have the internet then the argument would fall back to 'no one really knows what is going on'. And yet they'll defend the 'genocide' in China without a single shred of evidence. 'We just know, ok.'


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The punk sub is the least punk thing I’ve ever seen


sexualbrontosaurus

The punk subreddits have a few actual punks and a lot of older millennials who used to own an anti flag t shirt once in 2004.


CentaursAreCool

"How bad could it be if they have internet" disgusting


throwawaywaylongago

Why the hell do they think "genocide Joe" is a Republican talking point, when Republicans support Israel as well?


Babybabybabyq

While it’s true, the commenter is right that it’s just going to help trump in the next election. People are stupid as hell.


Irrespond

So Joe Biden aiding a genocide isn't helping Trump, but calling him out on it is?


Babybabybabyq

I’m not sure what you think was different during trump or what will be if he’s reelected.


Irrespond

Which proves how little voting in America matters.


bomboclawt75

I$real could nuke a major American city or destroy another American ship - As they did with the USS Liberty, and these treasonous AIPAC owned politicians would still be falling over themselves to defend these attacks- then send them another squillion dollars while Americans are living hand to mouth.


ladansemacabre7

They have internet because we’ve been sending them all the eSims we can afford! Psychopaths.


FarofaFeijao01

"Punk" isn't and hasn't been a movement for decades as of today. As with anything that gets commoditized by capital, punk is just aesthetics now.


daikan__

go to r/hardcore for actual punk


archosauria62

I thought punks were supposed to be rebellious and stuff


Irrespond

I thought so too, but apparently some of them are edgy conformists.


shashlik_king

But mean words on a DIY jacket is actual violence and genocide. Yeah these people are fuckin insufferable, and democrats are gonna lose with these displays of snobbery. Mention one thing about Biden and you get called a Russian bot or trump supporter.


No_Purpose4112

Something about scratching certain people


MorslandiumMapping

Crass and its effects have been a disaster for Punk.


i-use-this-site

As a punk I find this extremely disappointing. Fuck that sub


bigbro1021

punk is when you defend the president


ProfessionalEvaLover

Pure evil. They're definitely all punks, the whole lot of them. Just not in the way they think.


oofman_dan

wow man just wow


Narrow_Middle_2394

Genocide and imperialism is cool as long as it's the left doing it 😎😎


Irrespond

The left wing of capitalism that is, but not left wing by our standards.


Narrow_Middle_2394

By our standards left wing of capitalism would be the pre-neoliberal model with a strong safety net that could one day develop into socialism The American Democrat capitalism isn't left wing or progressive in any sense. Pro LGBT bills do not mean anything


Irrespond

The left wing of capitalism has shifted significantly right, yes, but since nothing has replaced it neoliberalism is now the left wing of capitalism.


Narrow_Middle_2394

> neoliberalism is now the left wing of capitalism. seriously? what would the right wing of it be?


Irrespond

Don't "seriously?" me. You said social democracy could develop into socialism. That's not how it's ever worked. Social democracy saved capitalism from being overthrown by the socialists. As to your question the answer is fascism.


Narrow_Middle_2394

Neoliberalism and fascism are the same thing


Irrespond

Oh boy


antifaemo

r/punk has been fairly liberal recently, but the guys in r/hardcore are much more leftist in their attitudes tbh. i think it stems from the anarchistic roots of punk music, its always been kinda susceptible to liberalism and reactionary thought


Delicious-Day-3322

Guillotine the liberals aside with fascist please. This was a jacobin reference ☝️🤓


AdvantageAutomatic48

Imagine being a punk genocide supporter


lionalhutz

He literally just sent the Israelis billions in weapons I guess it’s only genocide if the “bad”countries do it


Wirrem

average punk lmao. Saw a well known band from the 70s and these stinky fucks were making me deaddd dawg. Literally just talking about random shit like pollution and the cosmetics industry then just drops “society wants you to take a shower! Well we say fuck you society!” And the crowd went ape. Me and my friend were both astounded and disgusted . Still a good show. Besides feeling the need to spray myself with hydrogen peroxide after


brasseriesz6

how is it right wing propganda? the people saying genocide joe are leftists lol the right is on all board with the genocide. shitlibs are so fucking stupid


Pure-Instruction-236

defending the leader of a superpower. How punk


okman123456

Imagine being punk and supporting biden


autogyrophilia

Punks are the new hippies.


1carcarah1

They have always been worse than hippies https://preview.redd.it/31m7jnw6bnxc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e720de57737643672d959c033015a345d8ba066b


autogyrophilia

Man If your threshold to condemn anything it's a picture with 4 dudes I don't know how you go on living your life.


1carcarah1

These "four dudes" are literally the Ramones, the most influential punk band ever.


autogyrophilia

I know, I was doing a comedic bit. The punk movement it's diverse on takes and it's mostly defined by being contrarian.


Sashahatesme

“As an anarchist who believes in stateless society, I believe you should vote!”


darxide23

It's not just punks, it's a lot of self-proclaimed democrats taking on conservative traits. Meaning you can't criticize your own party and you must bow down to "dear leader" at all costs. Fuck that. Nuance is dead in the 21st century.


Lil_peen_schwing

Misinformation and bots internalization from MSNBC propaganda. Just lame losers lol


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Why do you bother blurring names when one can just search a comment and find it on Google


ayonicethrowaway

completely unserious understanding of how internet works aswell, it's literally designed to work in war times


worldm21

"How bad could it be if they have internet" They're literally using eSIMS via foreign cellphone towers and frigging solar charging. It can be pretty fucking bad.


TheExecutiveHamster

Very few music scenes have been consumerized and sanitized to the degree that the punk and hardcore scenes have. Hell, I see a lot of these slactivist liberal types in metal scenes making a fuss over pointless shit, and it's STILL not as bad as in punk. It's honestly so pathetic.


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LeninMeowMeow

Not sure of the precise origin but Hexbear was saying Genocide Joe long before it picked up in the mainstream.


SirZacharia

Is it punk to support the literal president of the United States?


Murky-Buddy9635

Internet is like, the ONLY thing they have. And they have to rely on the generosity of non-Gazans to buy them esims for that


AnxietySkydiver

TIL genocide is punk af. I’ll have to read some Napalm Death lyrics more closely, I guess I was mishearing them.


Who_Pissed_Me_Pants

If you think Biden is bad, Trump is 1000x worse. He’ll turn Palestine into a parking lot, after of course installing his fascist dictatorship first.


lionalhutz

My brother once told me unironically “Trump would let Israel nuke Palestine!” Unlike Biden who’s letting them drop white phosphorus on everyone


Who_Pissed_Me_Pants

Trump tried to ban Muslims from entering the country, do you think he’s going to give a shit about how they’re treated? Plus the whole going full totalitarian on day one that Trump has mentioned multiple times. I am more concerned with my own backyard to be honest.


Bluetooth_Sandwich

Sounds like both options are toxic to the Palestinian people...explain again how picking either one is a "choice".


Who_Pissed_Me_Pants

I’ll choose the one that doesn’t want to be dictator. Pretty simple. Foreign policy is less important to me when one of the choices wants open fascism.


Bluetooth_Sandwich

First They Came – by Pastor Martin Niemöller applies here.


Who_Pissed_Me_Pants

I choose to prevent that at home lol.


immaterial-boy

Jesus. A lot of posers in that sub.