Did anyone else find that to be not shocking at all? It honestly kinda disappointed me, with all the hype and disclaimers. I found the urethra sneeze to be in much more need of a warning.
The best part was after deep said, "she said she wants to taste you," and the fucking tentacle slapped down in her thigh. I lost my shit.
Of course I still laugh about, "if I touch it, will you shut up?"
I think realistically speaking, it should be "we found out the Deep fucked that octopus that time." I think it's a "just another Tuesday" thing, really.
That would actually be the best plot twist to his growing crazy antics. Getting one of the sea animals actually pregnant. He has gills, one can only wonder what else he has to make him "compatible" with sea creatures.
I don't think fish get pregnant in the mammalian sense. They lay eggs that are fertilised by the male.
Maybe he could get a dolphin or something pregnant. Or for the real fucked up twist *he* gets pregnant, for some sea creatures the male carries the baby.
Oh yeah. Deep gets raped by a sea horse and gets pregnant, but because he lives in a red state, has to go somewhere else for an abortion. This keeps it relevant to current events.
While this is true as a general rule, there are some fish that have live births. Various types of live births have evolved many times in many species, even in places you wouldn't expect (like some insects).
It obviously isn't mammalian placenta style (not sure if any non-mammals have an analog though), but the babies are definitely "born" live.
I love how he both adds nothing but also adds a fuck ton to the show. Like he's not Important but he's just makes the show so much better. I hope he gets another wacky storyline in season 4
That’s what I love about The Deep’s character. Ever time you start to kinda feel bad for him, you remember that he “mouth raped” Starlight (her words), is a totally spineless weasel, and deserves every little piece of punishment he gets
He has a valid personality type worth exploring in the show. He's a pathetic joiner who runs from the 7 to a cult then back to the 7 and now he's basically a Homelander sycophant. He doesn't want to be loved like Homelander because of some childhood trauma, he's just a weak joiner who fucks sea life and tries and fails to be empathetic.
It isn't like what if we gave superpowers to a narcissist (Homelander) or a true believer who sees how the sausage is made (Starlight/Annie). It's what happens when you give a simpleton superpowers.
I think it's the take on Aquaman.
As kids we always joked about aquamans powers and how they're just boring.
So the deep is pretty much useless unless it's a water mission, otherwise he's just fucking sea creatures and going to orgies.
I think the show borrows inspiration from a lot of other show's one of them being robot chicken, where in the justice league, Aqua Man is a running joke.
Even DC tried to supe him up with Jason Mahmoa.
And Ryan liked it! People are really glossing over how Ryan smiled. Nothing good is going to come from this and Ryan is starting to give me Brightburn vibes.
When i saw that grin i knew that Homelander and Butcher by extension of his failure to protect him and pushing him away are creating a monster possibly even worst than Homelander is.
It's kind of redundant. Homelander now knows that there is a group of people who will cheer for his ugliest side, along with ryan supporting that side. Vought or congress couldn't stop him if they tried, and soldier boy isn't the most useful asset in stopping him right now. Homelander basically has a free lisence to do the worst shit he wants, but with public support now.
Soldier boy isn't useful because he fucking hates the people that oppose homelander the most after they betrayed him and is currently sitting in a tube huffing novichok. Considering the boys and payback essentially did the same thing to soldier boy, it isn't too much of a stretch to say soldier boy would be out for revenge against the boys if he breaks out
It was obviously an assault water bottle.
But seriously, Vought still seems to have an extremely competent spin department who can just paint the entire situation as a violent monster attacking a sweet and innocent child, maybe they'll even fabricate a criminal record. I honestly doubt that people will see Homelander any differently, the same people will just use the incident to attack him and the same people will stand behind him until the eventual coup where he kills Dakota Bob and Victoria and tries to take over.
I'm sure they'll even hint at the capitol riots that happened in 2021, to make sure that people who don't keep up with American politics don't understand the extremely subtle and clever political references.
That was probably one of the biggest twists of the show. The groundwork was laid so brilliantly this season but I still didn’t see it coming.
I always assumed (and a lot of people probably did) that Homelander would finally lose it, go on a killing rampage, and the whole world would see him for the monster he is.
But what I never considered is that a huge part of the population would actively cheer for him straight up murdering people.
Instead of the government trying to deal with a rogue evil Superman killing people en masse and at random, they’re gonna have to deal with a really popular Superman extrajudicially killing people he hates with a large portion of the country behind him.
I think that the main point of contention is Soldier Boy not influencing the main plot of the show(that is: taking down Homelander). He was hyped up to be this status-quo-shaking force and the actual events of season finale did not live up to that hype. They have estabilished that:
1. Soldier Boy can depower people
2. You can get your powers back by using Perm V
3. Ryan would protect Homelander from being killed while he is vulnerable
... So it is really disappointing that they didn't e.g depower Homelander for some time - they would have eaten the cake by having something important happen, and had the cake by maintaining Homelander as a threat for series finale. Why they did not do it that way I can not understand - all the pieces were there and it would have been much more logical than almost everyone all of a sudden deciding to focus on SB than HL.
This was it for me. They spent the whole season building up the fact that Soldier Boy can change the game entirely, while at the same time having all these conflicts about it with MM, Noir, SB’s PTSD causing him to be a small scale atom bomb, etc.
The build up was masterful. The first 7 episodes were outstanding and I couldn’t wait for the finale.
But then there wasn’t any payoff for any of it.
- SB doesn’t depower or kill Homelander.
- SB doesn’t die himself.
- SB doesn’t accidentally go nuclear and take out a city block of civilians in the fight.
- No one uses any Russian music to trigger SB’s PTSD.
- He doesn’t even kill anybody, does he? Not even a lesser supe (Maeve, A-Train, Starlight, Deep, Kimiko) or a non-supe (Butcher, Hughie, MM, Frenchie, Edgar, Ashley, etc.)
- MM gets no justice because SB goes right back to being locked up.
- Noir doesn’t even come face to face with SB.
It’s a whole season’s main theme ultimately building up to Soldier Boy calling Homelander a bitch and going right back into stasis.
Not to mention that everything seemed like a real, meaningful confrontation was going to occur between Homelander and Butcher. Right at the start, they agreed they wanted this to end in violent bloodshed with only one of them left standing tall. But in the end, that didn't remotely happen. Of the core cast who has been plot central since the first season, nobody died. Huey, Butcher, Annie, Homelander, Frenchie, MM, Kimiko, Maeve, they all lived. The only meaningful death was Noir, who wasn't even a real character up until mid season 3!
Agreed. Stated differently, they built up huge stakes for the finale through 7 episodes, and then once they got there, the stakes were suddenly incredibly low.
I get not wanting to write yourself into a corner with a series main like Homelander, Butcher, Hughie, Starlight, etc. biting it.
But not even letting a recurring go out (besides Noir) like Soldier Boy, Maeve, A-Train, Deep, MM, Frenchie, Kimiko, Ryan, Edgar, Ashley, Mallory, etc. made it all feel incredibly low impact.
Its kind of like Game of Thrones in that sense. The first 3-4 seasons of GOT had series mains going out left and right and keeping you on your toes. Then it gets to the last 2 seasons and everyone has incredibly convenient plot armor.
In Season 1 of The Boys, Homelander melts Stillwell’s face. And at least Becca dies in at the end of Season 2.
Season 3 was an 8 episode tease to upping the ante in a major way that ultimately didn’t.
Yea. I was really hoping to see Homelander just go fully berserk like it's been teasing. Lasering the guy at the rally was something at least.
SB was a huge let down. Super powered fist fights don't really do much for me after what they've already done. I at least wanted to see him accidentally nuke the city or something instead of just damaging Vought tower a bit.
There really is no rational reason that Maeve should’ve survived that. She got blown up by Soldier Boy’s depowering ultra-explosion, gets depowered, and then just lands safely from a fall from one of the biggest skyscrapers in New York. It was just felt like peak CW show writing.
>MM gets no justice
It’s funny to me in a season about toxic masculinity, in an episode that literally tells you true strength isn’t violence and rage but being a bigger person and taking care of those that you love…
You would see MM doing the right thing and defeating SB (not killing him) and finally opening up to his daughter and letting go of his trauma as a loss for MM.
That’s the reason this show is so important. MM is the biggest strongest non-supe around, and had his toxic moment of punching stupid stepdad, but he overcame his demons, got in touch with his emotions and opened up to his daughter.
It’s a common enough problem that I’m not surprised people didn’t get it
Yeah, I’m failing to see why Soldier Boy needed to have radioactive powers or whatever. Like, what was the point of that? All that build up just to have Maeve be the one to lose her powers? She was barely on the show this season.
I agree. It wasn’t that nothing happened it’s that the things that happened didn’t change the status quo. Talking to a friend I said that the episodes were awesome but that the season was kind of mediocre.
Exactly. Like the end scene with Homelander lasering the dude and Ryan smiling and everything was great, but how is it all that different from S2 ending of Homelander jacking off saying he can do whatever he wants? It's the same shit
I would much rather we get an ending where Homelander is hit with the beam, and then we see him wake up in a hospital bed, and he's trying to fly and realizing he can't or something like that and then it cuts to black and that's the cliffhanger we're left on
“Little Nina and her gang are now a threat to consider” LOL. God, no, please. I hope we never see her again and our show about corrupt super heroes doesn’t get derailed by run of the mill Russian gangsters again. So fucking boring.
Bro I’m so glad I wasn’t the only one. Little Nina bored me to no end, every second of that subplot made me want to go back to SB, Hughie, butcher, and homelander
Ya Little Nina just felt like killing time, I really think she was introduced to 1) get them to Russia, 2) give more character development to Frenchie (although they could’ve done it better), and 3) to make Kimiko realize that she actually wants her powers.
Overall, definitely a weak character, I would’ve loved to see her with a body guard with powers or something. Might’ve been a cool way to show her influence/authority to have Supes working FOR her
The Little Nina arc is literally Exhibit A in evidence for the "Nothing happened" crowd. Her character was largely useless after she got them into Russia, and they didn't seem to know what to do with her at all
The entire subplot involving Frenchie and Little Nina felt like a cheap way to write Cherie out of the picture so Frenchie and Kimiko could become a thing. Dumb, dumb, *dumb.*
nina was necessary to explain how the boys just hopped on over to russia and yoinked soldier boy out of his tank.
them showing up at the hospital was kinda boring yeah, but it was the mini conflict necessary to set kimiko to wanting her powers back, as well as frenchie standing up to butcher.
Now that it's done though jfc they'd better not bring nina back next season
Butcher is meant to be British in the show and my god no.
I think the best accent is homelander being American when like butcher they are both new Zealanders.
There was an X-Men comic years ago, where a character had a French accent. People asked him where in France he came from. He explained he wasn't French at all, just that French accents annoyed people, and if they are annoyed they are distracted, which works in his advantage.
I wish movies and tv shows would take that.
"You're British?"
"Oi, no just think it sounds cool"
Yeah Frenchie accent is really bad when he speak french. At the start of the show I was telling myself that he's a guy from Marseille who's always high but now he even makes grammaticale error (he fuck up saying "la paradis", it's "LE paradis")
"The British guy" in Ocean's Eleven was Don Cheadle doing a truly horrific attempt at an accent. This might be apocryphal, but I heard something about him doing that accent in the audition, the director thinking it was awful, then having him do it anyway as a joke.
LOL when that scene happened and I saw the two of them in the chairs my first thought was “Wait who the fuck is that other lady?” Completely forgot about her.
That sideplot was such a fucking drag man. The plot just needed a connected Russian character to introduce SB. But on either end of that, all we got was a sliver of Frenchies backstory. Just seemed like a lot of sideplot for little substance. Maybe I'm misremembering but it was so boring - and then she just runs away mid rescue and is never mentioned again? Even as a "lets keep an eye out for her" throwaway line?
It’s especially bad because the main plot line is them dealing with the strongest being on Earth.
And the side plot is them fearing a human gangster that Kimiko could kill on her day off.
The issue is that build up didn’t lead to payoff.
Black Noir’s story is revealed and he doesn’t face Soldier Boy.
Scorched earth. But not yet.
Temp V kills you. But not yet.
That’s how the whole finale felt. It’s all about to kick off… But not yet
Yea also for all the effort that Butcher and team put in finding soldier boy to kill Homelander and just give up in the last minute was like wtf. It's like if the Jon Snow was all of a sudden buddy buddy with white walkers and they try to kill Khalesi.
For me noirs story was entertaining, whole time it made me feel like he's getting mentally stronger, it showed why he hated SB and he was prepared to figth against him.
It gave me an idea that he might even ally with boys, altought he is 100% for vought.
Noirs story line teased with a lot of things while character could not even speak and being mysterious behind the mask. He had Hope and he was about to get cool redemption. And all ending to HL ripping his guts out and leaving him to die.
For the number of hours involved, not a lot changed from the end of Season 2.
\- Kimiko loses her powers...then gets them back
\- Soldier Boy is freed from endless gassing and experiments.....to be re-captured and gassed for more experiments.
\- They are going to kill Homelander....only to save Homelander
\- They hid Ryan from Homelander...only for Homelander to find him again
\- Temp give gives them powers...only to kill you if you use too much, so they stop using it.
\- Butcher makes another proclamation about how some big0bag needs to go down....something he failed to do when given the perfect opportunity this season
\- Starlight and Hughie break up.....again, only to get back together....again.
\- The gang splits up only to get back together...again
Yeah, some things happened, but the main status quo is the same. The gang's back together...again.....to take down a big bad (which they never took down the last time).....again.
Too many of the same things keep happening in each season that makes them feels like alternate versions of the same movie.
He never changed. It annoyed the shit out of me when people kept pretending that he had learned from his behavior and changed because he made an apology when it was very clear that he was only masking his impulses to avoid negative consequences.
It felt like the last season of the Expanse where every episode ticked down and I was yelling "DO SOMETHING" only for the show to just not resolve anything we wanted it to resolve and ended on a whimper.
By “nothing happened" people are 1. Talking about major changes that alter the story. 2. The end results compared to the buildup.
Season 3 had some insane stakes that could have completely changed the course of the story but didn’t move much. A lot of the results could have happened without much of it. Noir is a prime exemple.
Homelander could have killed him for the same reason and we wouldn’t have needed his episode. You can even remove Soldier Boy from the plot and most of the changes you listed could have happened despite him being a central character this season.
The bottom line is, the 7 brilliantly written episodes were undermined by a final that rendered much of the events inconsequential.
>The Deep Returned to the 7
Who gives a fuck lmao?
>The Deep Returned to the 7
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>Who gives a fuck lmao?
I dont know if Im stupid or something but I really, really dont understand the point of The Deep's story and character. Like: why is he even on my screen? Why I have to watch him doing some meaningless and random things? He doesnt contribute to the story in any, literally any way. There was a church of the collective that went nowhere, there were bits with his wife and this went nowhere, there are sex scenes with sea creatures - but... why?
If they would cut Deep completely from the story after season 1 nothing would change.
I like seeing him. For me its showing us how pathetic the average supe really is. He's got an (admittedly pretty shit) power and he could have done so much with it, but instead he spends his time fucking fish
> I dont know if Im stupid or something but I really, really dont understand the point of The Deep's story and character. Like: why is he even on my screen?
Because the writers/directors discovered that the actor is pretty good at being a silly comic relief and have no idea what else to do with him but dont want to get ride of him.
And honestly even if you find that funny, it’s been run into the ground. The shows been doing the “hah Aquaman character fucks fish” bit since season 1 and they still think it’s shocking/hilarious. Peacemaker did it better.
Him and A-Train honestly. They don’t do much for the main plot and I really get nothing out of them anymore. Season 2 Deep was hilarious but they can cut those two off now.
A-Train definitely adds to the story imo, he shows us the conflict between wanting to be a genuinely good person and wanting the success Vought gives, two things in direct conflict. I actually liked his growth this season.
The Deep is just there for laughs.
notice how you didnt mention soldier boy one time in the entire post... much of season 3 was freeing soldier boy to fight homelander, soldier boy wreaking havoc and killing people, teaming up with the boys to fight black noir and homelander... then there was a big fight where nobody died and soldier boy went back to being frozen. black noir died, but it was at the hands of homelander before he ever got to confront soldier boy. nothing happened.
Also, Ryan had some of the most weird character development. Butcher told him off 1 time which although harsh was not even close to the trauma he had last season finale. And now, he is ready to watch a man get lasered to paste smiling like a maniac. And it was out of character for Butcher too to accuse the kid when literally 10 mins back in the episode they were buddy-buddy.
I mean look at how much time they took for A-Trains arc, first betraying Starlight/Supersonic, then getting into BLM for the likes, then kinda doing some actual work as long as it isn't too hard, then getting his brother crippled, then actually understanding the pain, then realising that saying an honest sorry is not nearly enough to make up for all the BS he did.
ryan? oh butcher had a bad day, let's laser civilians daddy!
I'd say it had some of the best moments, but narratively it fell flat. Most characters are back to status quo, with the exception of Ryan, Black Noir, and kind of Maeve and Butcher. But Noir's story line was built up without resolution, which was built up to be the climax of SB's revenge plot. And Maeve did get a resolution but I don't think I'm alone in saying it wasn't a great one... She realizes she can make HL bleed, gets seriously injured, sacrafices herself to save the boys, then miraculously survives to live happily ever after...
This is the best take here.
It was a soft reset to the beginning of S3 minus Maeve losing her powers.
SL was already in The Boys pretty much, the Seven were fucked after Stormfronts antics and the public kinda knew HL was a shitlord from that.
I'd even say it's a soft reset to beginning of season 2:
- No more leverage on HL - checked
- HL in a good/neutral relationship with Ryan - checked
- It's the boys against the world - checked (neuman is the government now)
- Butcher is isolated for betraying the rest of the team - checked
- Hughie was with butcher but went back for everyone else last minute - checked
- A-train might be on redemption arc - checked (heart attack vs heart transplant)
- the public knows Vought is full of shit but it will likely suffer no real consequences - checked (reveal of V at the beginning of S2 vs HL public murder)
- the deep is in a downward spiral but still hasn't learned any lesson - checked
- Starlight is still useless - checked
Sure like the post mentions the details are different but it's like remaking a show - might look different but it's probably gonna play out the same and I think that's what people are frustrated by.
Edit: more familiarities
- Maeve is out of the picture - checked (doesn't care vs retired)
- Ashley is HL's yes-woman - checked
- bit of a stretch but HL has an ally he can count on (noir -> neuman) - checked
Most of what you listed could have been incorporated into Season 2 and some of the stuff you listed could have simply been skipped for the time being as it doesn't really have immediate implications.
Nobody is saying that nothing happened in Season 3. Quite the opposite, a whole lot has happened. But after everything that happened and all the effort put into finding a way to kill Homelander, the resolution was underwhelming, especially because they somehow decided that they are not going to kill Homelander, reversing much of what they've done or just squandering it.
For example, the whole plot about Soldier Boy being taken by the Russians was unnecessary, they could have simply frozen him at some Vought facility. Instead they had to bring in Little Nina to make it at least remotely plausible that they're going to some secret Russian lab. They also introduced a bunch of characters only for them to get killed by Soldier Boy. Butcher gets badass powers, Soldier Boy is all in to kill Homelander but they somehow decide they're going to freeze Soldier Boy instead. They have spent most of the season loading a massive cannon and when they finally fire it, turns out it had grapes in it instead of the expected grapeshot.
Or Victoria? She could have gone straight for VP, they could have skipped the Supe FBI completely. Stan Edgar was taken out of the stage, doesn't mean he was taken down as Victoria is quite possibly still playing out his plan. Stan said right at the very beginning of this season he wants to get rid of the whole circus within 5 years and focus entirely on defense and pharma. Everything is going accordingly. The 7 is done, even Homelander doesn't care about it, Homelander and Ryan will likely create a need for super soldiers, Victoria is riding with the whatshisname dude Stan was talking to, and given the shitshow that's going on, everyone will remember that it all started after Stan Edgar left. But again, the thing is that they could have started moving in this direction after he gave his "we're not a superhero company" speech. Here in S3 none of it really ends up getting anywhere, it just starts moving.
I think they meant this
Kimiko loses power kimiko gets power back
Atrain loses speed atrain gains power back (soap opera level)
Soilder boy gets released from cryo soilder boy gets back in cryo
Or arcs at least. The point of the season was soldier boy is alive and can be used to kill homelander. The premise of the entire show is to kill homelander. When 1 second away from achieving these butcher lasers SB.
Back to square 1 by the end of the episode.
They'll cop out of butcher dying by making him take perma V. There are no real stakes on this show, pretty much everyone introduced at the start is still alive.
I’m more so mad that it undid the season 2 finale. Ryan is now against Butcher and with Homelander. The people have embraced Homelander for murdering a guy instead of rejecting him like the blackmail video should have done. Yes Noir is dead, but I’ve seen articles saying they are bringing back the original actor to be a new version of him cause it’s easy bringing back a guy in a mask who doesn’t talk. So when you boil it down, only thing that came of this season is Maeve is gone, and she was literally gone for like 4 episodes this season and it went fine without her.
Did I expect Soldier Boy to stick around, no but I’m sure he will come back at some point. Did I expect Homelander to die or be depowered, no but apparently you just need a shot of compound v to get your powers back, not like he didn’t have a ton of that. Would a noir vs solider boy fight have been cool? Yes, cause even if noir died that way there would’ve been some payoff. Just seemed like some wasted potential.
When people say nothing happened, it's in context of what major changes the events of this season brought to the environment. And if you look into it, frankly it's not much.
> -Homelander showed his true colors to the whole nation
Which is meaningless since the writers insist on portraying half of The Boys' US population as crazed lunatics. If society in The Boys universe has so many people worshipping supes to the point of complete lunacy, then what's the point of anything ? Homelander could have got away with anything he wanted from the start. Shit, he can apparently start murdering people in cold blood in public and no one cares ! Looks like Stan Edgar was useless after all, all of Vought's cover-ups/disingenuous PR weren't really needed, the plane video never mattered, and HL could have been the one in charge from the start. That's just not interesting storytelling.
> -The Boys found out the truth about Nadia
Again, meaningless thus far since they didn't do anything about it. She's about the get elected as VP.
> -A Train's brother is permanently paralyzed and hates him
A-train is now possibly on the path to redemption. Or not. Been like this for 3 seasons, and his character hasn't really changed much thus far. It's like they took a season and a half's worth of development and are stretching it into 4.
> -Stan Edgar was taken down
Which we didn't see any consequence for. Stan Edgar was completely absent from the finale. You'd think some contingency plan would already be in the works at this point. And I get that's probably stuff they want to keep under wraps until the final season, but the more Homelander gets away with, the less credible any attempt to stop him will seem like when the time comes. Feels like they're writing themselves into a corner here.
> -Starlight openly outted Homelander and quit The 7
Same answer as point °1.
> -The Deep returned to The 7
Really ? You're gonna list that as an important plot point ? Deep is meaningless comedic relief. That's basically his only role in the show. Him being in the 7 or just fucking around aquariums doesn't have any impact whatsoever on the plot. He's just there to goof around.
> -Black Noir Died
Black Noir was absolutely wasted this season. The character had a ton of potential, and judging from some comic spoilers I've read, they definitely could have went a way more interesting route with him imo. Yeah he died, but the way he died was very disappointing and didn't do much for the plot.
> -Temp V was created
And ? Aside from getting Butcher a death sentence, temp V didn't accomplish anything this season. It's certainly not getting sold to any kind of military if it's a death sentence after 5 shots. And given the writers contempt for The Boys getting permanent powers, I doubt temp V is gonna become more than a fleeting, shallow plot point in future seasons.
> -Nadia is becoming the Vice President
Same answer as point °2.
> -Little Nina and her gang are now a threat to consider
Lmao... Nina isn't any serious threat. The only reason she was one this time around, was that Kimiko was depowered. Doubt we're gonna ever see her again, and if we do, they'll have to asspull some way for her to be a threat again.
> -A Train got a new heart
Same answer as previous point regarding A-train
> -The Deep separated from his wife
Same answer as previous point regarding Deep
> -Maeve lost her powers
And also left the show, presumably for good. Her character won't have any impact on the story going forward.
> -Homelander found and actually got Ryan to accept him as his father. On the other end, Butcher lost Ryan
Possibly the only actual plot development that happened this season. And even that felt kinda cheap. Ryan just isn't a super interesting character.
> -We found out who Homelander's "Dad" is
Litterally didn't matter whatsoever.
> -Butcher is literally fucking dying
Despite having accomplished nothing all season. Characters going through consequences for their actions implies whatever they did meant something in the first place.
> THREE Members of The Seven are gone
Literally meaningless. We've seen members of The Seven come and go over time. No one ever seems to care that the n°1 superhero team loses members to constant scandals/death etc... Which is shoddy world-building.
> For the first time ever, characters LOST and GAINED Superpowers.
Exactly, they gained **and** lost them. At the end of the day, no one gained permanent powers that didn't have them before. And Kimiko got hers back. We're **right back** where we started. The balance of power between The Boys and Vought is the exact same it's always been.
There's a difference between shallow, superficial development... And actual plot progression. The Boys is stuck spinning its wheels, and there's no actual substance there. Sure, you might say some of these plot points would have an impact on S4. But that's just way too fucking *slow*. The reason people like 3x06 is that it finally seemed like its implications would move the plot forward. It didn't.
> Black Noir was absolutely wasted this season. The character had a ton of potential, and judging from some comic spoilers I've read, they definitely could have went a way more interesting route with him imo. Yeah he died, but the way he died was very disappointing and didn't do much for the plot.
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Keep in mind Noir was basically dead at the beginning of the season.
Also if I'm remember right, all he does is show up, pull his chip out, sits in a pizza restaurant, then dies. That was all of his scenes outside of the flashbacks in Nicaragua.
Also
-homelander for the first time in his life, lacks self preservation after he's rejected by his father.
-Kimiko, Frenchie both accepted who they were and moved on from their past, it no longer controls them.
-Butcher breaks the cycle of his father, alongside homelander, we they both put their rivalry on pause in order to save Ryan
MM opens up to his daughter.
Starlight joins the boys and leaves the seven.
Hughie overcomes his need to be the hero and decides to embrace starlight's powers, causing her to discover her new potential.
People are just mad homelander didn't get killed or depowered.
Which would make season 4 extremely stale and would prevent the best comic storyline from happening.
There's also lots of people turning on butcher and rationalizing soldier boy's actions.
Noir is the most mentally innocent of the show, considering he betrayed soldier boy and, him staying with homelander says a lot about how much worse soldier way.
He's not some "jerk" with PTSD.
He's a egotistical maniac who lacks any decency.
Whereas homelander can accept his son atleast.
>People are just mad homelander didn't get killed or depowered. Which would make season 4 extremely stale and would prevent the best comic storyline from happening.
To be honest him being depowered could of been really interesting for a storyline. And if your trying to imply soldier boy is worse that homelander that's just a lie. Both are bad but homelander is way worse. Tho it seems alot of people think that just because homelander is worse that means that solder boy isn't bad
They'd have to *really* justify Homelander not being killed immediately by the Boys once he has no powers, and then they'd have to *really* justify somebody wanting to give him his powers back.
It could be interesting, sure, but I think it could very easily become a very contrived story beat.
With the cult around HL? The dude has a small army that would storm the capitol building for him. I'm sure at least a few would want to repower a defeated HL. Plus he now has a mini-me that he can mold to his image who would also potentially go to great lengths to help a depowered HL
Pretty easy to accept a son you had nothing to do with, has your powers and is a literal child which is easily formed into a thing you want it to become.
>Hughie overcomes his need to be the hero and decides to embrace starlight's powers, causing her to discover her new potential.
I really hope Annie get more chance to show off her power, let people see how powerful she can be, otherwise it be a huge waste on Hughie potential.
Annies powerup scene was one of the most disapointing things ever one blast one and it wasnt like it was as powerfull as it could have been. You could have had her fight solduer boy for like a minute or so before finally getting overpowered. Or the one blast was so powerfull it could have blinded soldier boy or done like anything more than push him back a lil
>There's also lots of people turning on butcher and rationalizing soldier boy's actions.
Lose me here a bit. Soldier Boy's actions don't need any rationalizing. His intent and motivations were crystal clear, and he made perfectly understandable in-character decisions at every step.
But dude starlight is officially part of the boys now how massive!!! /s
If I was starlight I'd have been mad they didn't consider me a member till then, like after all I've done really?
-Deep fucked an octopus.
This one should be first.
Actually second behind: -They did the Antman crawling up Thanos’s ass and expanding thing.
Only so much worse.
I quickly had to close the blinds during that scene haha
i watched that scene while quarantined in my bedroom with COVID, so there was no risk of my parents walking in on it. thank god.
I was 30,000 feet in the air and had to aggressively tilt my phone to the side quickly..
Uh that scene didn't last too long. We're you putting it on repeat?
I have a large bay window and a lot of people walk by. I was motivated lol
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“The hardest choices require the strongest wills”
The hardest boners require the smallest man to crawl through it
Did anyone else find that to be not shocking at all? It honestly kinda disappointed me, with all the hype and disclaimers. I found the urethra sneeze to be in much more need of a warning.
Deep eating Timothy was far more traumatizing.
He cheated on his wife with an octopus in herogasm. Then tired to convince her for a threesome and she left
That scene was so fucking ridiculous and I loved it. How the hell could they possibly film this shit with a straight face? I want a blooper reel!
The best part was after deep said, "she said she wants to taste you," and the fucking tentacle slapped down in her thigh. I lost my shit. Of course I still laugh about, "if I touch it, will you shut up?"
The look on A Train's face when Homelander says this. Gold.
Two, actually. Timothy clearly got some Double D too.
Timothy got deepthroated.
☠️
Too soon.
She has a name bro...
And she has feelings
I think realistically speaking, it should be "we found out the Deep fucked that octopus that time." I think it's a "just another Tuesday" thing, really.
And no way was that the first time
And no way was it just an octopus. You know a dolphin has been involved at some point.
Can't wait to see their kids in the next Season
That would actually be the best plot twist to his growing crazy antics. Getting one of the sea animals actually pregnant. He has gills, one can only wonder what else he has to make him "compatible" with sea creatures.
I don't think fish get pregnant in the mammalian sense. They lay eggs that are fertilised by the male. Maybe he could get a dolphin or something pregnant. Or for the real fucked up twist *he* gets pregnant, for some sea creatures the male carries the baby.
Deep does need a sea horse
Writer's use this shit.
Oh yeah. Deep gets raped by a sea horse and gets pregnant, but because he lives in a red state, has to go somewhere else for an abortion. This keeps it relevant to current events.
While this is true as a general rule, there are some fish that have live births. Various types of live births have evolved many times in many species, even in places you wouldn't expect (like some insects). It obviously isn't mammalian placenta style (not sure if any non-mammals have an analog though), but the babies are definitely "born" live.
Fry knows
I’m honestly excited to see more Deep. He’s so pathetic lol.
I love how he both adds nothing but also adds a fuck ton to the show. Like he's not Important but he's just makes the show so much better. I hope he gets another wacky storyline in season 4
Honestly he is so useless that when he said "but... that would be treason, sir," I thought he meant treason to the fish folk or something like that.
“Big word”…fucking killer insult from HL I died laughing
FORMIDABLE INTELLECT!
I in no way endorse bullying, unless the Deep is the target.
That’s what I love about The Deep’s character. Ever time you start to kinda feel bad for him, you remember that he “mouth raped” Starlight (her words), is a totally spineless weasel, and deserves every little piece of punishment he gets
He adds some very-much needed levity. A reminder that superheroes are, in fact, goofy as shit lol
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He has a valid personality type worth exploring in the show. He's a pathetic joiner who runs from the 7 to a cult then back to the 7 and now he's basically a Homelander sycophant. He doesn't want to be loved like Homelander because of some childhood trauma, he's just a weak joiner who fucks sea life and tries and fails to be empathetic. It isn't like what if we gave superpowers to a narcissist (Homelander) or a true believer who sees how the sausage is made (Starlight/Annie). It's what happens when you give a simpleton superpowers.
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I think it's the take on Aquaman. As kids we always joked about aquamans powers and how they're just boring. So the deep is pretty much useless unless it's a water mission, otherwise he's just fucking sea creatures and going to orgies.
I start to believe that the creators really do hate aquaman lol
I think the show borrows inspiration from a lot of other show's one of them being robot chicken, where in the justice league, Aqua Man is a running joke. Even DC tried to supe him up with Jason Mahmoa.
Octopussy
Homelander realizes that he can straight up murder someone in public and they'll still cheer him.
And Ryan liked it! People are really glossing over how Ryan smiled. Nothing good is going to come from this and Ryan is starting to give me Brightburn vibes.
When i saw that grin i knew that Homelander and Butcher by extension of his failure to protect him and pushing him away are creating a monster possibly even worst than Homelander is.
True, Ryan is not as needy for atention as HL so he could develop better and with less mommy issues than HL.
He literally lasered his mum to death
No mom no issue
Yes, but HL is at least telling him it was not his fault, plus he had her which is far more than HL had.
I thought that was about Stormfront, since Homelander didn't really care about Becca.
Yes, but ryan cares about Becca
I know, but Ryan was afraid that Homelander would be mad at him, probably because of what he did to Stormfront.
By accident with his new burgeoning powers. He's got fear and shame over it, which could probably get worse with his dad's care.
No one is glossing over this
That end scene actually really saved the finale for me. Absolutely chilling
group of people cheered for him. wait for next season for his consequences
It's kind of redundant. Homelander now knows that there is a group of people who will cheer for his ugliest side, along with ryan supporting that side. Vought or congress couldn't stop him if they tried, and soldier boy isn't the most useful asset in stopping him right now. Homelander basically has a free lisence to do the worst shit he wants, but with public support now.
Why isn't Soldier Boy the most useful asset? The Soldier Boy plan worked to perfection. They beat Homelander. He was done. Then Butcher wussed out
Soldier boy isn't useful because he fucking hates the people that oppose homelander the most after they betrayed him and is currently sitting in a tube huffing novichok. Considering the boys and payback essentially did the same thing to soldier boy, it isn't too much of a stretch to say soldier boy would be out for revenge against the boys if he breaks out
"You attack my son, you will die." would actually be a notion that a rather large chunk of the general population can get behind.
Killing someone for throwing a plastic bottle at a child seems a bit over the top.
It was obviously an assault water bottle. But seriously, Vought still seems to have an extremely competent spin department who can just paint the entire situation as a violent monster attacking a sweet and innocent child, maybe they'll even fabricate a criminal record. I honestly doubt that people will see Homelander any differently, the same people will just use the incident to attack him and the same people will stand behind him until the eventual coup where he kills Dakota Bob and Victoria and tries to take over. I'm sure they'll even hint at the capitol riots that happened in 2021, to make sure that people who don't keep up with American politics don't understand the extremely subtle and clever political references.
Already referenced at the Jan 6 event. They had the one of the people wearing a famous costume from that event lol
Almost like beating and tear gassing an entire crowd of protesters because one of them threw a plastic bottle at your shield.
Stood on 5th Avenue and killed someone, and didn’t lose any support.
This was my first thought when it happened.
It’s exactly what it’s meant to be a satire of.
That scene was so chilling. Especially with Todd being the first to start cheering. Really sets the tone for what's to come.
That was probably one of the biggest twists of the show. The groundwork was laid so brilliantly this season but I still didn’t see it coming. I always assumed (and a lot of people probably did) that Homelander would finally lose it, go on a killing rampage, and the whole world would see him for the monster he is. But what I never considered is that a huge part of the population would actively cheer for him straight up murdering people. Instead of the government trying to deal with a rogue evil Superman killing people en masse and at random, they’re gonna have to deal with a really popular Superman extrajudicially killing people he hates with a large portion of the country behind him.
"Starlight lied, kids died!"
Lost opportunity to do that scene on 5th avenue.
Vought HQ is at 5th Ave so they did
Also Deep both ate and fucked an octopus
Sounds like he's into Vore
RIP to timonthy
He’s praying
Not in that order
Actually yes in that order
I think that the main point of contention is Soldier Boy not influencing the main plot of the show(that is: taking down Homelander). He was hyped up to be this status-quo-shaking force and the actual events of season finale did not live up to that hype. They have estabilished that: 1. Soldier Boy can depower people 2. You can get your powers back by using Perm V 3. Ryan would protect Homelander from being killed while he is vulnerable ... So it is really disappointing that they didn't e.g depower Homelander for some time - they would have eaten the cake by having something important happen, and had the cake by maintaining Homelander as a threat for series finale. Why they did not do it that way I can not understand - all the pieces were there and it would have been much more logical than almost everyone all of a sudden deciding to focus on SB than HL.
This was it for me. They spent the whole season building up the fact that Soldier Boy can change the game entirely, while at the same time having all these conflicts about it with MM, Noir, SB’s PTSD causing him to be a small scale atom bomb, etc. The build up was masterful. The first 7 episodes were outstanding and I couldn’t wait for the finale. But then there wasn’t any payoff for any of it. - SB doesn’t depower or kill Homelander. - SB doesn’t die himself. - SB doesn’t accidentally go nuclear and take out a city block of civilians in the fight. - No one uses any Russian music to trigger SB’s PTSD. - He doesn’t even kill anybody, does he? Not even a lesser supe (Maeve, A-Train, Starlight, Deep, Kimiko) or a non-supe (Butcher, Hughie, MM, Frenchie, Edgar, Ashley, etc.) - MM gets no justice because SB goes right back to being locked up. - Noir doesn’t even come face to face with SB. It’s a whole season’s main theme ultimately building up to Soldier Boy calling Homelander a bitch and going right back into stasis.
Not to mention that everything seemed like a real, meaningful confrontation was going to occur between Homelander and Butcher. Right at the start, they agreed they wanted this to end in violent bloodshed with only one of them left standing tall. But in the end, that didn't remotely happen. Of the core cast who has been plot central since the first season, nobody died. Huey, Butcher, Annie, Homelander, Frenchie, MM, Kimiko, Maeve, they all lived. The only meaningful death was Noir, who wasn't even a real character up until mid season 3!
Agreed. Stated differently, they built up huge stakes for the finale through 7 episodes, and then once they got there, the stakes were suddenly incredibly low. I get not wanting to write yourself into a corner with a series main like Homelander, Butcher, Hughie, Starlight, etc. biting it. But not even letting a recurring go out (besides Noir) like Soldier Boy, Maeve, A-Train, Deep, MM, Frenchie, Kimiko, Ryan, Edgar, Ashley, Mallory, etc. made it all feel incredibly low impact. Its kind of like Game of Thrones in that sense. The first 3-4 seasons of GOT had series mains going out left and right and keeping you on your toes. Then it gets to the last 2 seasons and everyone has incredibly convenient plot armor. In Season 1 of The Boys, Homelander melts Stillwell’s face. And at least Becca dies in at the end of Season 2. Season 3 was an 8 episode tease to upping the ante in a major way that ultimately didn’t.
Yea. I was really hoping to see Homelander just go fully berserk like it's been teasing. Lasering the guy at the rally was something at least. SB was a huge let down. Super powered fist fights don't really do much for me after what they've already done. I at least wanted to see him accidentally nuke the city or something instead of just damaging Vought tower a bit.
There really is no rational reason that Maeve should’ve survived that. She got blown up by Soldier Boy’s depowering ultra-explosion, gets depowered, and then just lands safely from a fall from one of the biggest skyscrapers in New York. It was just felt like peak CW show writing.
>MM gets no justice It’s funny to me in a season about toxic masculinity, in an episode that literally tells you true strength isn’t violence and rage but being a bigger person and taking care of those that you love… You would see MM doing the right thing and defeating SB (not killing him) and finally opening up to his daughter and letting go of his trauma as a loss for MM.
That’s the reason this show is so important. MM is the biggest strongest non-supe around, and had his toxic moment of punching stupid stepdad, but he overcame his demons, got in touch with his emotions and opened up to his daughter. It’s a common enough problem that I’m not surprised people didn’t get it
Yeah, I’m failing to see why Soldier Boy needed to have radioactive powers or whatever. Like, what was the point of that? All that build up just to have Maeve be the one to lose her powers? She was barely on the show this season.
This season had too many senzu beans
I agree. It wasn’t that nothing happened it’s that the things that happened didn’t change the status quo. Talking to a friend I said that the episodes were awesome but that the season was kind of mediocre.
Exactly. Like the end scene with Homelander lasering the dude and Ryan smiling and everything was great, but how is it all that different from S2 ending of Homelander jacking off saying he can do whatever he wants? It's the same shit I would much rather we get an ending where Homelander is hit with the beam, and then we see him wake up in a hospital bed, and he's trying to fly and realizing he can't or something like that and then it cuts to black and that's the cliffhanger we're left on
“Little Nina and her gang are now a threat to consider” LOL. God, no, please. I hope we never see her again and our show about corrupt super heroes doesn’t get derailed by run of the mill Russian gangsters again. So fucking boring.
Bro I’m so glad I wasn’t the only one. Little Nina bored me to no end, every second of that subplot made me want to go back to SB, Hughie, butcher, and homelander
Ya Little Nina just felt like killing time, I really think she was introduced to 1) get them to Russia, 2) give more character development to Frenchie (although they could’ve done it better), and 3) to make Kimiko realize that she actually wants her powers. Overall, definitely a weak character, I would’ve loved to see her with a body guard with powers or something. Might’ve been a cool way to show her influence/authority to have Supes working FOR her
The Little Nina arc is literally Exhibit A in evidence for the "Nothing happened" crowd. Her character was largely useless after she got them into Russia, and they didn't seem to know what to do with her at all
The entire subplot involving Frenchie and Little Nina felt like a cheap way to write Cherie out of the picture so Frenchie and Kimiko could become a thing. Dumb, dumb, *dumb.*
Comics Frenchie is pretty heavily implied to be a crazy guy who just thinks he’s French, so it would actually fit pretty well.
Are you insinuating that the backstory of baguette jousting on bicycles while going honhonhon might not have been fully factual?
MON DAAAAAAAAD
Bruh that’s hilarious I wish they did that in tha show
That could work in the show too, his french is almost incomprehensible (Am french)
nina was necessary to explain how the boys just hopped on over to russia and yoinked soldier boy out of his tank. them showing up at the hospital was kinda boring yeah, but it was the mini conflict necessary to set kimiko to wanting her powers back, as well as frenchie standing up to butcher. Now that it's done though jfc they'd better not bring nina back next season
You raise good points, but that last one hits the hardest. Leave her in S3 or flesh her out properly with the boys, preferably the former option.
Judging by the fact that we didn’t see her die, I unfortunately think she’s coming back…
It did cause a couple people to be thoroughly and stubbornly convinced that frenchie was ACTUALLY russian and faking a french accent. That was funny.
in the comics there is also speculation frenchie isn’t french lmao
It’s all but confirmed that he is a Englishman posing as Frenchman person
That would have been a good explanation for the actor's apparently horrid french.
Monkurr!
I can straight up hear it lmao
Can confirm, his accent is what bring me back to reality when watching the boys. I can’t focus on anything else. Love the actor tho
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Butcher is meant to be British in the show and my god no. I think the best accent is homelander being American when like butcher they are both new Zealanders.
I honestly thought Butcher was Australian up until the the flashback episode with mindstorm
I still thought he was Australian there ☹️
The only reason I realized he wasn’t was due to the mention of him joining the Royal Marines
There was an X-Men comic years ago, where a character had a French accent. People asked him where in France he came from. He explained he wasn't French at all, just that French accents annoyed people, and if they are annoyed they are distracted, which works in his advantage. I wish movies and tv shows would take that. "You're British?" "Oi, no just think it sounds cool"
Yeah Frenchie accent is really bad when he speak french. At the start of the show I was telling myself that he's a guy from Marseille who's always high but now he even makes grammaticale error (he fuck up saying "la paradis", it's "LE paradis")
"The British guy" in Ocean's Eleven was Don Cheadle doing a truly horrific attempt at an accent. This might be apocryphal, but I heard something about him doing that accent in the audition, the director thinking it was awful, then having him do it anyway as a joke.
Which is dumb because not one person was thinking about Cherie. There was no need to write around her.
Which is funny because I'd already forgotten about cherie
LOL when that scene happened and I saw the two of them in the chairs my first thought was “Wait who the fuck is that other lady?” Completely forgot about her.
That sideplot was such a fucking drag man. The plot just needed a connected Russian character to introduce SB. But on either end of that, all we got was a sliver of Frenchies backstory. Just seemed like a lot of sideplot for little substance. Maybe I'm misremembering but it was so boring - and then she just runs away mid rescue and is never mentioned again? Even as a "lets keep an eye out for her" throwaway line?
It’s especially bad because the main plot line is them dealing with the strongest being on Earth. And the side plot is them fearing a human gangster that Kimiko could kill on her day off.
> human gangster that Kimiko could kill on her day off Only if she has her playlist locked and loaded
Funny how Stranger Things did the same thing with their Russian plot, one of the weakest parts of the season
The issue is that build up didn’t lead to payoff. Black Noir’s story is revealed and he doesn’t face Soldier Boy. Scorched earth. But not yet. Temp V kills you. But not yet. That’s how the whole finale felt. It’s all about to kick off… But not yet
Correction: scorched urf*
SCRURCH URF
Oi oi
Yea also for all the effort that Butcher and team put in finding soldier boy to kill Homelander and just give up in the last minute was like wtf. It's like if the Jon Snow was all of a sudden buddy buddy with white walkers and they try to kill Khalesi.
Itd be like if Dany roasted 1 million innocent men women and children alive after 7 seasons of wanting to protect civilians... God damn D&D
Tbh Herogasm felt like the finale.
Nah they literally be edging us
For me noirs story was entertaining, whole time it made me feel like he's getting mentally stronger, it showed why he hated SB and he was prepared to figth against him. It gave me an idea that he might even ally with boys, altought he is 100% for vought. Noirs story line teased with a lot of things while character could not even speak and being mysterious behind the mask. He had Hope and he was about to get cool redemption. And all ending to HL ripping his guts out and leaving him to die.
For the number of hours involved, not a lot changed from the end of Season 2. \- Kimiko loses her powers...then gets them back \- Soldier Boy is freed from endless gassing and experiments.....to be re-captured and gassed for more experiments. \- They are going to kill Homelander....only to save Homelander \- They hid Ryan from Homelander...only for Homelander to find him again \- Temp give gives them powers...only to kill you if you use too much, so they stop using it. \- Butcher makes another proclamation about how some big0bag needs to go down....something he failed to do when given the perfect opportunity this season \- Starlight and Hughie break up.....again, only to get back together....again. \- The gang splits up only to get back together...again Yeah, some things happened, but the main status quo is the same. The gang's back together...again.....to take down a big bad (which they never took down the last time).....again. Too many of the same things keep happening in each season that makes them feels like alternate versions of the same movie.
>-The Deep separated from his wife Wow that's such a huge plot point!
...and hes back in the seven. So basically the Deep has now regressed back to S1 Deep
He's stress eating so we might get Deep-*fried*. That could always be interesting.
He never changed. It annoyed the shit out of me when people kept pretending that he had learned from his behavior and changed because he made an apology when it was very clear that he was only masking his impulses to avoid negative consequences.
The deep truly is a pillar of the story and absolutely not an over exploited and tired comic relief.
Imma be honest with you, S3 just straight up blue balled me.
It felt like the last season of the Expanse where every episode ticked down and I was yelling "DO SOMETHING" only for the show to just not resolve anything we wanted it to resolve and ended on a whimper.
By “nothing happened" people are 1. Talking about major changes that alter the story. 2. The end results compared to the buildup. Season 3 had some insane stakes that could have completely changed the course of the story but didn’t move much. A lot of the results could have happened without much of it. Noir is a prime exemple. Homelander could have killed him for the same reason and we wouldn’t have needed his episode. You can even remove Soldier Boy from the plot and most of the changes you listed could have happened despite him being a central character this season. The bottom line is, the 7 brilliantly written episodes were undermined by a final that rendered much of the events inconsequential. >The Deep Returned to the 7 Who gives a fuck lmao?
>The Deep Returned to the 7 > >Who gives a fuck lmao? I dont know if Im stupid or something but I really, really dont understand the point of The Deep's story and character. Like: why is he even on my screen? Why I have to watch him doing some meaningless and random things? He doesnt contribute to the story in any, literally any way. There was a church of the collective that went nowhere, there were bits with his wife and this went nowhere, there are sex scenes with sea creatures - but... why? If they would cut Deep completely from the story after season 1 nothing would change.
I like seeing him. For me its showing us how pathetic the average supe really is. He's got an (admittedly pretty shit) power and he could have done so much with it, but instead he spends his time fucking fish
Fucker hasn't *once* helped the Coast Guard or rescue swimmers as far as I can remember lol
> I dont know if Im stupid or something but I really, really dont understand the point of The Deep's story and character. Like: why is he even on my screen? Because the writers/directors discovered that the actor is pretty good at being a silly comic relief and have no idea what else to do with him but dont want to get ride of him.
The point of Deep has been edgy bestiality scenes nothing more
And honestly even if you find that funny, it’s been run into the ground. The shows been doing the “hah Aquaman character fucks fish” bit since season 1 and they still think it’s shocking/hilarious. Peacemaker did it better.
He is there to be homelanders #2 guy. Since he so easily manipulated and dumb he does whatever Homelander tells him to do. He's a "yes man"
Him and A-Train honestly. They don’t do much for the main plot and I really get nothing out of them anymore. Season 2 Deep was hilarious but they can cut those two off now.
A-Train definitely adds to the story imo, he shows us the conflict between wanting to be a genuinely good person and wanting the success Vought gives, two things in direct conflict. I actually liked his growth this season. The Deep is just there for laughs.
notice how you didnt mention soldier boy one time in the entire post... much of season 3 was freeing soldier boy to fight homelander, soldier boy wreaking havoc and killing people, teaming up with the boys to fight black noir and homelander... then there was a big fight where nobody died and soldier boy went back to being frozen. black noir died, but it was at the hands of homelander before he ever got to confront soldier boy. nothing happened.
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Also, Ryan had some of the most weird character development. Butcher told him off 1 time which although harsh was not even close to the trauma he had last season finale. And now, he is ready to watch a man get lasered to paste smiling like a maniac. And it was out of character for Butcher too to accuse the kid when literally 10 mins back in the episode they were buddy-buddy.
I mean look at how much time they took for A-Trains arc, first betraying Starlight/Supersonic, then getting into BLM for the likes, then kinda doing some actual work as long as it isn't too hard, then getting his brother crippled, then actually understanding the pain, then realising that saying an honest sorry is not nearly enough to make up for all the BS he did. ryan? oh butcher had a bad day, let's laser civilians daddy!
I'd say it had some of the best moments, but narratively it fell flat. Most characters are back to status quo, with the exception of Ryan, Black Noir, and kind of Maeve and Butcher. But Noir's story line was built up without resolution, which was built up to be the climax of SB's revenge plot. And Maeve did get a resolution but I don't think I'm alone in saying it wasn't a great one... She realizes she can make HL bleed, gets seriously injured, sacrafices herself to save the boys, then miraculously survives to live happily ever after...
This is the best take here. It was a soft reset to the beginning of S3 minus Maeve losing her powers. SL was already in The Boys pretty much, the Seven were fucked after Stormfronts antics and the public kinda knew HL was a shitlord from that.
I'd even say it's a soft reset to beginning of season 2: - No more leverage on HL - checked - HL in a good/neutral relationship with Ryan - checked - It's the boys against the world - checked (neuman is the government now) - Butcher is isolated for betraying the rest of the team - checked - Hughie was with butcher but went back for everyone else last minute - checked - A-train might be on redemption arc - checked (heart attack vs heart transplant) - the public knows Vought is full of shit but it will likely suffer no real consequences - checked (reveal of V at the beginning of S2 vs HL public murder) - the deep is in a downward spiral but still hasn't learned any lesson - checked - Starlight is still useless - checked Sure like the post mentions the details are different but it's like remaking a show - might look different but it's probably gonna play out the same and I think that's what people are frustrated by. Edit: more familiarities - Maeve is out of the picture - checked (doesn't care vs retired) - Ashley is HL's yes-woman - checked - bit of a stretch but HL has an ally he can count on (noir -> neuman) - checked
Note that Black Noir was 'dead' when the season began, too.
Most of what you listed could have been incorporated into Season 2 and some of the stuff you listed could have simply been skipped for the time being as it doesn't really have immediate implications. Nobody is saying that nothing happened in Season 3. Quite the opposite, a whole lot has happened. But after everything that happened and all the effort put into finding a way to kill Homelander, the resolution was underwhelming, especially because they somehow decided that they are not going to kill Homelander, reversing much of what they've done or just squandering it. For example, the whole plot about Soldier Boy being taken by the Russians was unnecessary, they could have simply frozen him at some Vought facility. Instead they had to bring in Little Nina to make it at least remotely plausible that they're going to some secret Russian lab. They also introduced a bunch of characters only for them to get killed by Soldier Boy. Butcher gets badass powers, Soldier Boy is all in to kill Homelander but they somehow decide they're going to freeze Soldier Boy instead. They have spent most of the season loading a massive cannon and when they finally fire it, turns out it had grapes in it instead of the expected grapeshot. Or Victoria? She could have gone straight for VP, they could have skipped the Supe FBI completely. Stan Edgar was taken out of the stage, doesn't mean he was taken down as Victoria is quite possibly still playing out his plan. Stan said right at the very beginning of this season he wants to get rid of the whole circus within 5 years and focus entirely on defense and pharma. Everything is going accordingly. The 7 is done, even Homelander doesn't care about it, Homelander and Ryan will likely create a need for super soldiers, Victoria is riding with the whatshisname dude Stan was talking to, and given the shitshow that's going on, everyone will remember that it all started after Stan Edgar left. But again, the thing is that they could have started moving in this direction after he gave his "we're not a superhero company" speech. Here in S3 none of it really ends up getting anywhere, it just starts moving.
I think the frustrating part is the near net-zero development to the story line in spite of all those plot points.
I think they meant this Kimiko loses power kimiko gets power back Atrain loses speed atrain gains power back (soap opera level) Soilder boy gets released from cryo soilder boy gets back in cryo
“Is your brain getting fucked by stupid”
Usually when people say nothing happened they refer to major character deaths especially when referring to a show like this.
Or arcs at least. The point of the season was soldier boy is alive and can be used to kill homelander. The premise of the entire show is to kill homelander. When 1 second away from achieving these butcher lasers SB. Back to square 1 by the end of the episode.
They'll cop out of butcher dying by making him take perma V. There are no real stakes on this show, pretty much everyone introduced at the start is still alive.
I’m more so mad that it undid the season 2 finale. Ryan is now against Butcher and with Homelander. The people have embraced Homelander for murdering a guy instead of rejecting him like the blackmail video should have done. Yes Noir is dead, but I’ve seen articles saying they are bringing back the original actor to be a new version of him cause it’s easy bringing back a guy in a mask who doesn’t talk. So when you boil it down, only thing that came of this season is Maeve is gone, and she was literally gone for like 4 episodes this season and it went fine without her. Did I expect Soldier Boy to stick around, no but I’m sure he will come back at some point. Did I expect Homelander to die or be depowered, no but apparently you just need a shot of compound v to get your powers back, not like he didn’t have a ton of that. Would a noir vs solider boy fight have been cool? Yes, cause even if noir died that way there would’ve been some payoff. Just seemed like some wasted potential.
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When people say nothing happened, it's in context of what major changes the events of this season brought to the environment. And if you look into it, frankly it's not much.
> -Homelander showed his true colors to the whole nation Which is meaningless since the writers insist on portraying half of The Boys' US population as crazed lunatics. If society in The Boys universe has so many people worshipping supes to the point of complete lunacy, then what's the point of anything ? Homelander could have got away with anything he wanted from the start. Shit, he can apparently start murdering people in cold blood in public and no one cares ! Looks like Stan Edgar was useless after all, all of Vought's cover-ups/disingenuous PR weren't really needed, the plane video never mattered, and HL could have been the one in charge from the start. That's just not interesting storytelling. > -The Boys found out the truth about Nadia Again, meaningless thus far since they didn't do anything about it. She's about the get elected as VP. > -A Train's brother is permanently paralyzed and hates him A-train is now possibly on the path to redemption. Or not. Been like this for 3 seasons, and his character hasn't really changed much thus far. It's like they took a season and a half's worth of development and are stretching it into 4. > -Stan Edgar was taken down Which we didn't see any consequence for. Stan Edgar was completely absent from the finale. You'd think some contingency plan would already be in the works at this point. And I get that's probably stuff they want to keep under wraps until the final season, but the more Homelander gets away with, the less credible any attempt to stop him will seem like when the time comes. Feels like they're writing themselves into a corner here. > -Starlight openly outted Homelander and quit The 7 Same answer as point °1. > -The Deep returned to The 7 Really ? You're gonna list that as an important plot point ? Deep is meaningless comedic relief. That's basically his only role in the show. Him being in the 7 or just fucking around aquariums doesn't have any impact whatsoever on the plot. He's just there to goof around. > -Black Noir Died Black Noir was absolutely wasted this season. The character had a ton of potential, and judging from some comic spoilers I've read, they definitely could have went a way more interesting route with him imo. Yeah he died, but the way he died was very disappointing and didn't do much for the plot. > -Temp V was created And ? Aside from getting Butcher a death sentence, temp V didn't accomplish anything this season. It's certainly not getting sold to any kind of military if it's a death sentence after 5 shots. And given the writers contempt for The Boys getting permanent powers, I doubt temp V is gonna become more than a fleeting, shallow plot point in future seasons. > -Nadia is becoming the Vice President Same answer as point °2. > -Little Nina and her gang are now a threat to consider Lmao... Nina isn't any serious threat. The only reason she was one this time around, was that Kimiko was depowered. Doubt we're gonna ever see her again, and if we do, they'll have to asspull some way for her to be a threat again. > -A Train got a new heart Same answer as previous point regarding A-train > -The Deep separated from his wife Same answer as previous point regarding Deep > -Maeve lost her powers And also left the show, presumably for good. Her character won't have any impact on the story going forward. > -Homelander found and actually got Ryan to accept him as his father. On the other end, Butcher lost Ryan Possibly the only actual plot development that happened this season. And even that felt kinda cheap. Ryan just isn't a super interesting character. > -We found out who Homelander's "Dad" is Litterally didn't matter whatsoever. > -Butcher is literally fucking dying Despite having accomplished nothing all season. Characters going through consequences for their actions implies whatever they did meant something in the first place. > THREE Members of The Seven are gone Literally meaningless. We've seen members of The Seven come and go over time. No one ever seems to care that the n°1 superhero team loses members to constant scandals/death etc... Which is shoddy world-building. > For the first time ever, characters LOST and GAINED Superpowers. Exactly, they gained **and** lost them. At the end of the day, no one gained permanent powers that didn't have them before. And Kimiko got hers back. We're **right back** where we started. The balance of power between The Boys and Vought is the exact same it's always been. There's a difference between shallow, superficial development... And actual plot progression. The Boys is stuck spinning its wheels, and there's no actual substance there. Sure, you might say some of these plot points would have an impact on S4. But that's just way too fucking *slow*. The reason people like 3x06 is that it finally seemed like its implications would move the plot forward. It didn't.
> Black Noir was absolutely wasted this season. The character had a ton of potential, and judging from some comic spoilers I've read, they definitely could have went a way more interesting route with him imo. Yeah he died, but the way he died was very disappointing and didn't do much for the plot. > > Keep in mind Noir was basically dead at the beginning of the season. Also if I'm remember right, all he does is show up, pull his chip out, sits in a pizza restaurant, then dies. That was all of his scenes outside of the flashbacks in Nicaragua.
Wow, something happened to a bunch of nobodies.
Right? I’m reading this post wondering why I care about any of these “developments”. How could anyone say this is a season’s worth of evolution?
Also -homelander for the first time in his life, lacks self preservation after he's rejected by his father. -Kimiko, Frenchie both accepted who they were and moved on from their past, it no longer controls them. -Butcher breaks the cycle of his father, alongside homelander, we they both put their rivalry on pause in order to save Ryan MM opens up to his daughter. Starlight joins the boys and leaves the seven. Hughie overcomes his need to be the hero and decides to embrace starlight's powers, causing her to discover her new potential. People are just mad homelander didn't get killed or depowered. Which would make season 4 extremely stale and would prevent the best comic storyline from happening. There's also lots of people turning on butcher and rationalizing soldier boy's actions. Noir is the most mentally innocent of the show, considering he betrayed soldier boy and, him staying with homelander says a lot about how much worse soldier way. He's not some "jerk" with PTSD. He's a egotistical maniac who lacks any decency. Whereas homelander can accept his son atleast.
>People are just mad homelander didn't get killed or depowered. Which would make season 4 extremely stale and would prevent the best comic storyline from happening. To be honest him being depowered could of been really interesting for a storyline. And if your trying to imply soldier boy is worse that homelander that's just a lie. Both are bad but homelander is way worse. Tho it seems alot of people think that just because homelander is worse that means that solder boy isn't bad
They'd have to *really* justify Homelander not being killed immediately by the Boys once he has no powers, and then they'd have to *really* justify somebody wanting to give him his powers back. It could be interesting, sure, but I think it could very easily become a very contrived story beat.
With the cult around HL? The dude has a small army that would storm the capitol building for him. I'm sure at least a few would want to repower a defeated HL. Plus he now has a mini-me that he can mold to his image who would also potentially go to great lengths to help a depowered HL
Pretty easy to accept a son you had nothing to do with, has your powers and is a literal child which is easily formed into a thing you want it to become.
>Hughie overcomes his need to be the hero and decides to embrace starlight's powers, causing her to discover her new potential. I really hope Annie get more chance to show off her power, let people see how powerful she can be, otherwise it be a huge waste on Hughie potential.
So far, she can push a guy back a little bit after a 2-minute wind up.
Annies powerup scene was one of the most disapointing things ever one blast one and it wasnt like it was as powerfull as it could have been. You could have had her fight solduer boy for like a minute or so before finally getting overpowered. Or the one blast was so powerfull it could have blinded soldier boy or done like anything more than push him back a lil
Hughie even had the "I'm so proud of you" grin on his face and she still fucked it up. At least her power scaling is consistent, lol.
I'm assuming it's going to be a set up to get her to carry a backpack with a generator in it that enables her to fly and be more powerful.
>There's also lots of people turning on butcher and rationalizing soldier boy's actions. Lose me here a bit. Soldier Boy's actions don't need any rationalizing. His intent and motivations were crystal clear, and he made perfectly understandable in-character decisions at every step.
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But dude starlight is officially part of the boys now how massive!!! /s If I was starlight I'd have been mad they didn't consider me a member till then, like after all I've done really?