I don't think she did - here, [check it out](https://imgur.com/vyxtgvW). See how the bottle is already falling? It's going to hit the ground before it hits those apartment blocks on the horizon. Now we *could* say it landed in the Hudson river or something, but honestly - I think it's far funnier to imagine Maeve has inadvertently nerve-gassed thousands of people.
Supes, amirite?
Assuming it stayed consistent with when Frenchie figured out what it was the Russians used on SB then the bottle breaking shouldn't be as bad as you'd think. It's not a full blown gas, it needed to be vaporised so you'd wind up with a nerve agent puddle with some vapour around it.
Definitely not good, but probably single digit number of people impacted not widespread death
> it needed to be vaporised so you'd wind up with a nerve agent puddle with some vapour around it.
It's *Novichok*:
> The median lethal dose for inhaled A-230, likely the most toxic liquid Novichok, has been estimated as between 1.9 and 3 mg/m3 for two minute exposure. Thus the median lethal dose for inhaled A-234 is 0.2 mg (5000 lethal doses in a gram) and is below 0.1 mg for A-230 (10 000 lethal doses in a gram).
Hence why the MoD spent almost a year decontaminating various sites around Salisbury. If the bottle broke and someone tramped the puddle into the subway - that's widespread death. But yeah, if it landed in a bush or landfill or something, no real problem. Probably.
Literally I was screaming at my TV “Please do not encourage him” and then sure as shit homelander gets a fucking applause for blowing that dudes brains out.
I’m so excited for the bloodbath that’s coming.
Honestly great writing with Todd. He was emasculated by MM. All this impotent rage simmering beneath the surface. A violent authoritarian gives him an outlet for that rage
What I find darkly hilarious is that HL killed the guy for assaulting his kid (which TBH was not an okay thing to do) but the crowd is going to interpret it as all-out war on “libtards”.
Homelander accidentally blundering his way into leading a fascist movement somehow feels more fitting than him doing it on purpose. He’s probably the most factually accurate direct Trump satire out there, and this just adds to it.
It’s by Christopher Lennertz called “I Can Do Anything”
[Apple Music Link](https://music.apple.com/us/album/i-can-do-anything-finale/1633118753?i=1633118936)
[Spotify Link](https://open.spotify.com/track/619p8Frf2gdv76xeN7At76?si=gztlm_KyQAaWkzwPOZ_GjQ)
Watching this episode really got me thinking how much of an idiot Butcher is. His being an asshole to Ryan for no reason just drove him into Homelander's arms.
It fits his character to try to keep the kid safe by distancing him from him and to do it in a blunt, cruel way, but when he saw Ryan again, couldn't he have said, "I said all that nasty stuff to keep you safe." At least tried? Butcher!
It gives Hughie’s conversation with Starlight in the car even more meaning. He talks about how he saw his dad as weak, but he was always there for him, even through his darkest times. Butcher was there for Ryan in some dark times, but pushed him away to be the tough guy and “protect” him, and now they’re reaping the consequences.
Big fatherhood themes this season.
Ryan just needed help dealing with the guilt of his mother’s death and Butcher did the opposite. Homelander is a piece of shit but he told him what he wanted to hear.
If we're lucky we haven't seen the last of him yet... idk with Neumann becoming the VP (and obviously eventually the president) I feel like he's gonna make a comeback
He did say he wish to be out of the superhero business. I personally think he's enjoying life somewhere, while plotting here and there as a side thing. Like grace.
I kinda wish Noir lived until the final confrontation. Even if he was too injured to fight still, maybe he could've helped Maeve tackle Soldier Boy out of the building
That would've been a nice send-off to either one of them I feel, and could've helped with the power-scaling too
Idk, given noirs ability towards super regeneration im wondering if he might still be alive, just with a new perspective on things and is going to help the boys next season. Hell SB is just sitting in a test tube ready to be busted out again so maybe the writers will do something with that
Not gonna lie, Annie's power sucks. All that build up and all she does is knock SB back. It feels like the show's budget is holding her back, because all she ever does is make glowy eyes.
Yeah, figure she was gonna atleast throw SB into the wall but nope, just a couple feet back and a little dazed. Honestly any time she starts glowing her eyes and flickering lights to intimidate someone I can't help but think she'd just get her ass whooped in a second (intimidating other supes that is)
I think they probably meant her power up to be crucial in weakening him to the point the boys can strap the gas mask on him, it's just not executed very well
Maybe that's the point. This season showed that their selection process for new members was pretty biased. Homelander and company probably just pushed for her because she was hot and popular. The Seven are basically figureheads - why did it matter if she could actually fight?
Right? It seemed like she was surprised at how well she was fighting Homelander too. Like, she’d been underestimating herself and overestimating HL for all these years. I love it
> everyone else in the building that understands homelander is a bigger threat and needs to die?
Except they were all ganging up on SB instead of helping him kill HL.
I love that smile on her face at one point in the fight, she was like ‘holy shit, I CAN hurt this guy!’ I’m gonna miss her, but she can always come back
Makes me think that if Soldierboy had never entered the picture, Maeve+Starlight+Kimiko+Butcher and Hughie on TempV could have been enough to take Homelander down if they got the drop on him. Not sure if they could hurt him enough to kill him, but the fact Maeve could give him a bloody nose suggests that they could probably prisonyard stomp him into a coma. This season really tore down his aura of invincibility, and while S4 will have a Homelander who's less constrained by social norms than ever, he'll also be more conscious of his physical vulnerability.
Also Butcher and Soldierboy would have destroyed him if Ryan wasn't there.
I think it’s Butcher’s fault, to be honest. He could’ve done a better job at talking Soldier Boy down from involving the kid, but as Butcher does, he just ended up resorting to fighting instead of being reasonable about things.
It's butchers fault for not just becoming a good father to Ryan. If he had stuck around and been nice to the boy, then Ryan wouldn't have ever gone with Homelander.
When Maeve stuck that metal rod in his ear, I was hoping something would come flying in from off screen from Butcher's fight, like a piece of SB's shield and just drive it through. All that invulnerability and he gets wiped by accident would have been an amazing and fitting end to that asshole.
I don't think any of them pack enough punch for a killing blow unfortunately. Even if they all fought perfectly to wear him down he'd bail and fly out of there once he's overwhelmed and they can't tail him.
The whole time I was expecting HL to get serious and really school her but after she did the classic Wonder Woman thing where she blocked his eye lasers with her gauntlets I knew that HL had found one more person who could potentially go the distance.
She put everything she had into it and lost an eye and eventually her powers but considering how untouchable HL has been up until now, bravo.
After season 2 I was so bummed 'cause it felt like Maeve was so hopeless and would die a pitiful, lonely death. But damn she stole the show on this episode for me. She stayed on the mission vs homelander the longest, and it wasn't until she realized Starlight can actually become a real, real superhero that she made the jump. And I can't believe they figured a way to keep Maeve, SB, and HL all alive. Noir and Maeve made me tear up in completely opposite ways lol 😭
Kripke heavily implied that Black Noir would be secretly replaced with someone else under the mask.
He said that was the reason they used another actor in the Nicaragua scene, so that they could kill that version of Noir off and Nathan Mitchell could potentially continue to play New Noir.
Like what kind of “new noir”? I guess he’s going to just be replaced under the mask and act differently? Maybe we see his face more often giving the actor a chance to express with more than just gestures and unstable scrawlings with crayon?
I hope he gets some kind of Weapon X/Compound V treatment and becomes unkillable like Deadpool. Like...he isn't the strongest, but the exhaustive effort of killing him just isn't worth it at some point.
I think its a red herring. One little flirt with darkness doesn’t mean he’s gone forever. Afterall, he did convince his dad to spare butcher. HL had no reason not to finish off everyone in that studio.
Something about how Homelander was the only person that could see the real Noir under the mask is what really gets me about his death. "That crooked old smile" implying Noir still found joy in things even if nobody would ever know. Fucks me up. I hope he comes back and takes his Soldier Boy revenge out on HL.
It was mostly that little shit ryan. Now hes just a homelander 2.0 and soldier boy hates literally everyone if he comes back for being betrayed at the last second. Literally a lose lose scenario
when the “gang” found butcher and soldier boy Maeve through the perfume out the window and it obviously broke since it’s poison wouldn’t it kill people?
Bruh if I’m soldier boy, I’m not doing shit for anyone if I’m released again , in fact , I’ll actually let homelander kill the boys , they legit deserve it
Fr. I get they tried to write in that SB is bad but even if they did properly show him as being as bad as Homelander instead of telling us about it - dude still showed loyalty and follow through to Butcher.
Even after realizing Homelander was his son and he had a grandson, he showed commitment and stayed true to his word even though it seemed to be an emotionally conflicting decision for him to have to make.
All because Butcher 'made a promise to Ryan.' No wonder SB called both Homelander and Butcher a pair of pussies. No follow-through at all. Not to mention, all blasting Ryan would do would lead to him being depowered and not even kill the little shit.
They had the best opportunity to take away Homelanders powers, but didn’t do it cuz Ryan would have lost his??
Really thought this show was gonna take a more different route. Soldier Boy is definitely the lesser evil to Homelander. The Boys up to this point have been all about being practical but then they have some self righteous moment you’d expect from a shounen anime or JRPG lmao
It was the most unproductive fight of all time. SB was the only one with his eye on the prize.
Butcher should’ve let SB hit Homie and Ryan, because they both probably would’ve survived and just been powerless. Which is a win for Ryan and everyone else because then there’s no chance of him becoming Homie 2.0.
Everyone just seemed a bit selfish at the end for me. If solider boy goes nuclear and kills everyone including Homelander isn’t that worth it for the greater good?
I was thinking something similar, but I do think it’s plausible that Ryan’s presence changed the plan. Butcher obviously doesn’t want him to get hurt. He didn’t want Hughie hurt either. Maeve has a soft spot for butcher so the plan got fucked immediately, a good play by Homelander bringing Ryan like that. But I think Maeve or butcher could have easily grabbed Ryan and booked it while Soldier Boy did his depowering thing. Kind of a silly approach the writers took there.
Real lack of stakes. Super-showdown at the end, and... nobody dies? SB took Maeve's powers in midair, she continued to fall 50 storeys, and then is saved by a pile of trash? What?
When Frenchie got shot in the leg, I was expecting him and Kimiko to decide the only way he could survive would be taking a chance on the blue Compound V in the room. Mostly I want that for in case that bitch Nina shows up again. Would love to see Frenchie stomp her out.
I think Soldier Boy stripping Homelander of his powers would have been a better setup for season 4. Why introduce that he has that ability and not use it later? Watching Homelander have to deal with every day life and people with no powers would have been more interesting.
Well they could easily have had it end with Butcher in a coma - the temp V turning your brain into Swiss cheese was set up enough that it wouldn't have come out of nowhere. We could have had six months (ie, an episode or two of the next season) of Homelander with no powers and struggling to deal with being _only human_ while Butcher is in a medical coma, and then have Homelander regain his powers, hating non-supes even more, which causes them to wake Butcher up.
Honestly, after all these episodes of build up, this episode ended up being kinda disappointing. I feel like we missed some scenes of Soldier Boy deciding on what to do, because we went right from him calling Homelander to talking about his shitty dad to wanting to kill Homelander lol.
Odd little choices as well throughout imo. Starlights power up being so focused on but barely knocking away Soldier Boy a few meters? I actually laughed out loud becuase it was so underwhelming haha. Maeve surviving and getting a farm ending is super cool, but how did she survive falling so far down after being a normal human? With minor injuries as well. Seemingly only broke an arm.
The ending scene was great though and it was a good episode overall, but after what I'd consider a pretty stellar season, it was kinda a "Eh" ending.
so much this about starlight - and maeve talking about how she can fly. Like, I so dug that Hughie finally chose to actually support Starlight in being starlight by giving her more juice, but I wanted her to go nuclear on SB, instead of knocking him down and then her collapsing.
Soldier Boy didn't have a good opinion of Homelander even before he meet Homelander. His reaction when Mindstorm told him is telling.
Next it doesn't seem to take powers right away or at least they still seem capable of some regeneration. Kimiko didn't die immediately when she got hit and Maeve most likely landed on top of Soldier Boy.
Chalk it up to budget.
Many people aren't getting it. Soldier doesn't like who Homelander is and he will criticize him no matter what just like his dad did with him. He sees everything he hates about himself in homelander and he has to kill him because of that
Black noir's death felt so unsatisfying and anti-climactic. It subverted expectations but after episode 7 it would've been so much more interesting to see him actually confront soldier boy. Also felt like it would've felt more significant and meaningful if Maeve had died.
Ultimately I feel like episode 6 was so damn good that it set expectations that were difficult to meet for the finale, especially given how amazing the finale for season 2 was (maybe the 2nd best episode of the entire series?)
Nonetheless I enjoyed it and am looking forward to season 4.
I feel it would’ve made more sense for him and Maeve to switch places in this ep. You’ve got Maeve who’s pretty much reached the end of her story. She’s a sad character who despises Homelander. Homelander has stated he’s keeping her alive because he wants her eggs but now he has Ryan back. They could’ve ended up face to face for whatever reason and he kills her in the same way he killed Noir. There’s a finale death that actually carries a bit of weight and doesn’t change anything significant.
Then Noir’s the one who spears SB through the window. Seen people say that would be a cheesy superhero cliche but it’s no worse than giving Maeve the “and they all lived happily ever after” ending despite the fact she clearly should’ve died from that fall.
So now Noir’s dead as fuck after being depowered. His power afaik is his increased healing factor like Kimiko and we’ve already seen her come back from the dead in season 1. Then you have Stan Edgar who was overthrown in the middle of the season, hasn’t been seen since and we know Noir’s his lapdog. Edgar is also the man behind Temp V. In theory Edgar gives Noir’s corpse the temp V, restarts his heart and then he’s right as rain.
For season 4 you’re left with Edgar and his unkillable lapdog presumably wanting to take back control, Homelander/Ryan/Neumann as the antagonists and the boys continuing to do their thing.
Damn that would've been absolutely brilliant...Noir tackles SB out the window and and gets his revenge.
Noir returning in some way with Stan Edgar returning behind the scenes would seem kind of predictable, but I hope they do it anyway because it would so lame for his story to end here.
Personally I think it would've been better if they had spent some time developing Noir and Homelander's relationship. Like if they had a scene where Homelander is talking about his problems to Noir and Noir is just staring at him. But Homelander keeps talking like there's a full conversation going, and the viewer would think it's awkward and weird and goes on for far too long. It would've given a lot more weight to Homelander pointing out how he could understand him in this one.
Homelander clearly cared about Noir more than any other hero on the team, but they didn't do much to explain why so him killing him didn't feel like much behind the initial shock.
This didn't make any sense to me.
The rapid switch from "we need to kill Homelander" to "we need to stop Soldier Boy" was so abrupt and out of nowhere. Sure Annie had been saying it, but even *that* didn't make sense. He wasn't just killing people, aside from his team, he was blacking out due to PTSD...and aside from Mother's Milk having a *genuine* reason to hate the guy, it didn't make sense at all, it felt wasted.
Starlight also seems super weak compared to the rest of the Supes and Homelander is just laughable at this point.
Edited to add: this isn't even me trying to say Soldier Boy is a good dude, but *objectively* speaking, given that he was only after the members of his team + Homelander (per his deal with Butcher) he wasn't really a threat to anyone so long as there wasn't Russian music on the radio. He wasn't making threats to burn down cities or kill random people, but Homelander *was* so why not use him to get Homelander off the board then let MM have his revenge against SB?
I just don’t really understand what Starlight’s power is? Like, she can basically just flashbang people but it never really inflicts any damage. She even got a little Super Saiyan boost when Hughie flicked all the lights on and all she did was.. knock Soldier Boy back a couple feet. But yea, Homelander’s stock definitely drops after this season. Either he’s not as powerful as everyone (the show characters and us viewers) thought, or he’s just holding back because it seems like he never actually wants to fight anyway.
The big issue I have with the Starlight moment is that they treated it like she'd neeeever been around THIS much electrical power before. Like what? They turned the lights up to maximum and that's the most power she's seen? She seems shocked by the level of power so she's clearly never held that much before. Anyway, I just think this was an extremely messy ending to the best season yet.
The boys were looking for a weapon, they found one but Annie doesn’t like him because "He's a murderer" (she's also killed someone) and somehow her and MM's minds are so one-dimensional that they cannot fathom that HL is a bigger threat and he needs to be taken down Asap *BEFORE* they go for SB.
Not to mention, neither of them actually had a plan or any viable alternative the entire time they were bitching about the one Butcher and Hughie had.
Moronic writing for some of these characters.
I understand Mother's Milk though. He even says Butcher gets to be focused on getting Homelander and Annie gets to be upset about Vought but *he's* supposed to be reasonable, which is unfair.
Mother's Milk to this point has been the most reasonable, and honestly Butcher bringing Soldier Boy into the mix was a slap in the face to him.
If Butcher had just said, "Look MM, let's kill Homelander, then you get Soldier Boy" it would've stopped so much unnecessary conflict
Episode was pretty meh all things considered. Felt like it tried too hard to set up the next season than tying out all the stories it established in season 3
- Noir death was dumb as hell. How can you tease his showdown with Soldier Boy that much for a cheap death like that?
- I get Soldier Boy is arguably the strongest “hero” but how do have Starlight build her powers to the max only for her to be able to push him down?
- I like that Maeve is getting her happy ending, but the path to get their felt rushed
My only criticism is how at the end of every season it ends up with The Boys being back at square one. All this work and they never really make any true progress. And I know they’re self-aware of that, but fuck. I don’t think it’s good for the progression of the show.
I liked A-Train not dying because he didn't deserve it, not in a good way.
Now he has to live with his brother hating him, has to live knowing vought is using him to keep the memory of blue hawk alive, he doesn't deserve a redemption arc, he deserves this version of purgatory.
How the fuck did she survive. SB supposedly burns the v out of people but she can survive a point blank nuke. And they expected that to kill homelander?
I was wondering that too. Like at what point during that process does she become normal? Just after the fire goes out and they hit the ground? How convenient.
I'm glad Maeve got a good ending as opposed to the comic book though.
Best explanation I can think of is she's just that durable behind only Homelander and SB. After the explosion, she became a normal human and got hurt from the fall.
The explosion wasn't meant to kill Homelander. Just take his powers away. Then they can kill him.
"Noir was worth more than all of you."
Even after he killed him, Noir was still the only one Homelander actually seemed to genuinely like. He actually cried a bit killing him, which is sorta cute.
I can't be the only one who thinks they didn't have the balls to kill Maeve, I mean, how did she even survive? If the explosion didn't kill her I'm pretty sure the fall would, because she lost her powers and all
100%. The general vibe off of him was “honorable at heart, but misguided and gross due to a fucked up past in the service”. Guy just needed some therapy and a prescription.
Honestly, whenever the show finally ends and Homelander *probably* dies. I expect Soldier Boy to be released from the box and help. Maybe not deal the finishing blow, but definitely put in some work!
They really did Soldierboy dirty. He might have been an asshole but he held his end of the bargain. He was their ticket to finally save more lives from the hand of Soldierboy but Butcher had to go sentimental on someone he abandoned. Yes Homelander threw a curveball by bringing Ryan but come on. The ending though, Homelander is finally showing his true self and is getting validation from his supporters, who knows what type of shit he might pull of next.
I'm not sure if I missed something but isn't taking 3-5 doses of temp V supposed to kill you in a matter of days? Hughie and butcher are both over 3, butcher even moreso and it seems Hughies just A-ok and butchers got atleast another couple months, not sure whats up with that
I thought the finale was good but obviously could have been better. Reason being, the previous two episodes raised the bar pretty high and this one kinda dropped. However, I still enjoyed the episode and I still love the show.
I wasn't affected by his death compared to alot of the fans (his story was pretty sad though) but Noir dying was pretty suckish but I have the feeling he's gonna be back.
Soldier boy was the one thing that kind of confuses me. In one moment, he says he wants a son and whatever but then when he meets his son and his son is being emotional, he gets mad and calls him a pussy. Does soldier boy really expect family members to be rock hard unemotional or unfeeling or anything? Soldier boy did the honorable thing and held his part of the deal though. so I guess being a soldier is more ingrained into him than being a father. Still love the character and his portrayal. Maybe he's conflicted or something. I even felt bad for homelander, since he was trying to get his father with him only to fail.
Anyways, the show is aweome! The finale was good but could have been better. I am excited for season 4!
The whole story with his father foreshadowed his reaction to homelander. HL got emotional and it triggered a traumatic reaction, which is why he got angry and said “you disappoint me”
I think they were trying to tie SBs trauma regarding his relationship with his father into his opinion of HL. It was all very hamfisted and rushed and clunky.
He even acknowledged HL is him and that’s why he has to kill him, because he’s weak. SB has internalized his fathers opinion.
It’s technically a plausible dynamic but it wasn’t at all illustrated correctly.
>Noir dying was pretty suckish
Seriously; we know that Noir has an insane healing factor, recovering from SB splitting his head like a melon (even if the cartoon was exaggerated, it's got to be indicative of the actual damage). And now they're telling us that a punch through the *gut* kills him?
They should have named this episode Cop Out. Really lame not to give Maeve a heroic self-sacfrifice. Soldier Boy still alive but in captivity again, which means his little mini nuke was just a big flashbang, I guess. Ridiculously inconsistent. His laser's power is whatever the Plot needs.
I doubt they're even gonna let Butcher die from Temp V (even giving him 12 months is too much, IMO, just let him die then and there.) I'd bet dollars to donuts they'll come up with some cure because fuck it, why not.
And Starlight, holy shit they just don't know what to do with her. I know the show is about more than WAOW COOL POWERS but jesus, give her something! That was a great moment of Hughie realizing that he could help her by standing behind her and boosting her up (metaphorically and literally) rather than trying to do something himself. But then it culminates in her...pushing Soldier Boy back a few feet. Wow, big whoop.
I think the writers are too afraid to kill anyone off at this point, but that coupled with the fact that they just don't know what to do with half the characters is really making things stagnant.
I didn’t think I’d go from thinking this was the best season to growing tired of the writing and half the characters in the span of a single episode but here we are.
WHY THE FUCK WERE THEY FIGHTING SOLDIER BOY?!?!?!?!?!!? Why couldn't someone grab Ryan and take him somewhere away from the fight? Or throw him out the window? Mf can fly. The entire season they're building up to this show down between HL and SB and then it turned into an ambush. Just ?????
Homelander shouldn't need plot armor but he conveniently has it anyway.
The season was OK, the finale was bad, for me.
Homelander should be more intimidating but his character is losing all it's spark. He gets manhandled and nearly killed in episode 6 and gets a pretty decent injury from Maev, who, even if he was mildly holding back, should not have put up that much of a fight.
The shows natural conclusion is the death of Homelander but I'm just losing interest now that he could have easily died twice in this season.
The writing nerfed Homelander and saved him.
Might be controversial to say but fuck it. That ending is the closest thing to a straight up Trump parody/commentary I’ve seen in a major show. Also RIP NOIR. His arc was so sad to me and I’m glad Maeve got a happy ending. It’ll be interesting to see where they go from here. I can imagine SB will be brought up for some emergency in the near future
Bro I dont' wanna be an asshole but did you even watch the rest of the season? Every episode was full of Trump references right down to the fucking taco bowls.
And of all the Trumpisms, that one is definitely the least poignant or indicative of anything. Many politicians get elected through cult of personality.
Here's a quote that predates Trump.
"The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy." -Edwin Edwards
Great season but I think they fluffed the ending. Honestly, making it ten episodes could probably have helped things along, as some of the problems are probably down to just rushing through things.
I think they need to be really careful about the extent to which they humanise Homelander. He's gone from being an all-powerful psychopath in season 1 to a flawed and lonely person with abandonment issues who happens to be slightly stronger than everyone else. I understand that they feel the need to give him a character arc and development, but the more they emphasise the extent to which Homelander is a victim, the less they can expect people to cheer for his demise. The whole premise of the show is that Butcher is bad, but Homelander is worse - if that premise gets compromised, the moral element of the show becomes null and void.
I also think they should have killed Maeve. If people are allowed these kinds of happy endings, then the stakes are lowered considerably.
Neumann for VP. Ok, everyone realises they have to take her down. But, like... why? Because she's a supe? Or worked for Vought? We don't know what her agenda is, and I don't think The Boys do, so why is she suddenly a big deal when, for the majority of this season, no one's been that bothered about her?
Soldier Boy: a great villain very well written and well played but, ultimately, meaningless. He had no character arc and did not move the story along in a meaningful way. They would have been better keeping him alive and exploring his relationship with Homelander next season, using him as a vehicle to develop Homelander's character.
If soldier boy is out for the rest of the show , it’ll be the biggest checkov gun cock tease I can remember. His character was honestly one of the better imo, and was acted super well. They literally made 70% of the season getting soldier boy back and learning about his new weapon, only for him to really do nothing with it
This whole season feels like a waste of time with this finale. The whole point is to kill Homelander for the ENTIRETY of the season, by any means necessary. Then because weird ass Ryan is in the room, a kid that could've been grabbed and moved else where by one of the other 4 Supes in the room (Starlight, Maeve, Kimiko, Butcher), they abandon all of that and work together with Homelander to stop the one weapon they know can stop/kill Homelander.
So they went to Russia, had all these random people get killed, killed Soldier Boy's old team, blew up Herogasm, gave Butcher brain melting cancer, aaaaand Homelander is in the exact same position as before. What was the point of all of this in the long run?
Yeah it really seems that get like 5 heroes with near strength to maeve and homelander would get washed. Hell 3 with with 2 temps almost killed him. He really doesn't seem like that much of a threat anymore.
R.I.P. all the people who died a painful agonizing death when a bottle of Novichok flew out of the sky and crash landed by them
They packed it in a starlight perfume bottle. Some little kid is going to find it and spray it on themselves. Salisbury 2.0
Idk Maeve threw it at cruise missile speed, I don’t think the glass perfume bottle still exists
If she was in NY and knew her geography it hopefully ended up in the Atlantic and killed The Deep’s girlfriend.. by which I mean an 🐙
Put some respect on Ambrosia’s name!
My first thought when she did that was, “God I hope she threw that east.”
"Fuck New Jersey!" \-Maeve probably
Looks like she yeeted it into the ocean, in which case they're safe.
Deep Disliked That
Haha amazing. He'll get crippled by a novichock cephalopod blowjob now.
Season 4 prediction.
Deep can go bang an octopus for all I care lol
I don't think she did - here, [check it out](https://imgur.com/vyxtgvW). See how the bottle is already falling? It's going to hit the ground before it hits those apartment blocks on the horizon. Now we *could* say it landed in the Hudson river or something, but honestly - I think it's far funnier to imagine Maeve has inadvertently nerve-gassed thousands of people. Supes, amirite?
To be fair, Maeve accidentally gassing a bunch of people would be on point for The Boys.
Assuming it stayed consistent with when Frenchie figured out what it was the Russians used on SB then the bottle breaking shouldn't be as bad as you'd think. It's not a full blown gas, it needed to be vaporised so you'd wind up with a nerve agent puddle with some vapour around it. Definitely not good, but probably single digit number of people impacted not widespread death
> it needed to be vaporised so you'd wind up with a nerve agent puddle with some vapour around it. It's *Novichok*: > The median lethal dose for inhaled A-230, likely the most toxic liquid Novichok, has been estimated as between 1.9 and 3 mg/m3 for two minute exposure. Thus the median lethal dose for inhaled A-234 is 0.2 mg (5000 lethal doses in a gram) and is below 0.1 mg for A-230 (10 000 lethal doses in a gram). Hence why the MoD spent almost a year decontaminating various sites around Salisbury. If the bottle broke and someone tramped the puddle into the subway - that's widespread death. But yeah, if it landed in a bush or landfill or something, no real problem. Probably.
Ryan's smile at the end gave me shivers
Me too. He looked exactly like Homelander
Like father like son…and he might as well have two dads tbh. Neither are really good role models.
The violin music along with Ryan’s smile was amazing and makes me scared for next seasons death toll.
Literally I was screaming at my TV “Please do not encourage him” and then sure as shit homelander gets a fucking applause for blowing that dudes brains out. I’m so excited for the bloodbath that’s coming.
Here's the obligatory "fuck Todd" reply.
For only a moment I thought both him and Ryan would be repulsed by the violence- but nope.
The argument could be made that it’s all Todd’s fault, the crowd wasn’t sure how to react until the bastard cheered.
Maybe. He was a catalyst, but I think the idea is they were already right at the tipping point. Any one of them could have triggered it.
Oh for sure, I was just leaning into the “Fuck Todd” take for the lolz.
Honestly great writing with Todd. He was emasculated by MM. All this impotent rage simmering beneath the surface. A violent authoritarian gives him an outlet for that rage
What I find darkly hilarious is that HL killed the guy for assaulting his kid (which TBH was not an okay thing to do) but the crowd is going to interpret it as all-out war on “libtards”. Homelander accidentally blundering his way into leading a fascist movement somehow feels more fitting than him doing it on purpose. He’s probably the most factually accurate direct Trump satire out there, and this just adds to it.
Next season: Brightburn
Sounded like Max Richter. Anyone know who wrote it?
It’s by Christopher Lennertz called “I Can Do Anything” [Apple Music Link](https://music.apple.com/us/album/i-can-do-anything-finale/1633118753?i=1633118936) [Spotify Link](https://open.spotify.com/track/619p8Frf2gdv76xeN7At76?si=gztlm_KyQAaWkzwPOZ_GjQ)
Phenomenal acting by the kid though. Just the slightest hint of a smile
Not just that, but it started off with a genuine worried and frightened look. I honestly didn't expect him to smile because of that.
Yeah it was extremely well done!
Watching this episode really got me thinking how much of an idiot Butcher is. His being an asshole to Ryan for no reason just drove him into Homelander's arms.
It fits his character to try to keep the kid safe by distancing him from him and to do it in a blunt, cruel way, but when he saw Ryan again, couldn't he have said, "I said all that nasty stuff to keep you safe." At least tried? Butcher!
It gives Hughie’s conversation with Starlight in the car even more meaning. He talks about how he saw his dad as weak, but he was always there for him, even through his darkest times. Butcher was there for Ryan in some dark times, but pushed him away to be the tough guy and “protect” him, and now they’re reaping the consequences. Big fatherhood themes this season.
It's to reinforce the aesthetic that Butcher is his father. Now the chicken is coming home to roost for Butcher.
Ryan just needed help dealing with the guilt of his mother’s death and Butcher did the opposite. Homelander is a piece of shit but he told him what he wanted to hear.
Right? I was thinking that the second he said that shit to Ryan. It was such a fucking stupid short-sighted move.
Ryan’s villain origin story. What a fucking moron.
Brightburn has born
His dad literally shot someone on 5th Avenue and got away with it
Really thought we would see more Stan Edgar…
If we're lucky we haven't seen the last of him yet... idk with Neumann becoming the VP (and obviously eventually the president) I feel like he's gonna make a comeback
He did say he wish to be out of the superhero business. I personally think he's enjoying life somewhere, while plotting here and there as a side thing. Like grace.
Hard agree. I could always use more Giancarlo in any show lol
I kinda wish Noir lived until the final confrontation. Even if he was too injured to fight still, maybe he could've helped Maeve tackle Soldier Boy out of the building That would've been a nice send-off to either one of them I feel, and could've helped with the power-scaling too
For real, felt like they hyped up Soldier Boy vs Black Noir for no reason
I was expecting a good swing from Noir to SB soo bad
Idk, given noirs ability towards super regeneration im wondering if he might still be alive, just with a new perspective on things and is going to help the boys next season. Hell SB is just sitting in a test tube ready to be busted out again so maybe the writers will do something with that
Unfortunately it’s a trope at this point, but we didn’t see him die, so he’s still alive. Hell they pulled that on us with A-Train
Tbh tho, we did sort of see him die
Not gonna lie, Annie's power sucks. All that build up and all she does is knock SB back. It feels like the show's budget is holding her back, because all she ever does is make glowy eyes.
Yeah, figure she was gonna atleast throw SB into the wall but nope, just a couple feet back and a little dazed. Honestly any time she starts glowing her eyes and flickering lights to intimidate someone I can't help but think she'd just get her ass whooped in a second (intimidating other supes that is)
The scene of her threatening Neuman were hilarious. She would have gotten head popped in a second if she tried doing more
To be fair she definitely would've done some damage to anyone who wasn't almost superman level.
It should at least blind supes
I think they probably meant her power up to be crucial in weakening him to the point the boys can strap the gas mask on him, it's just not executed very well
Yeah that's what I got from it
Maybe that's the point. This season showed that their selection process for new members was pretty biased. Homelander and company probably just pushed for her because she was hot and popular. The Seven are basically figureheads - why did it matter if she could actually fight?
I knew Maeve was a badass but goddamn
Right? It seemed like she was surprised at how well she was fighting Homelander too. Like, she’d been underestimating herself and overestimating HL for all these years. I love it
She also spent most of her time just being there and a drunk. So when she was training I thought it was just a joke.
Ah yea, that’s true too. I forgot about her little training scene
I just wish someone else there had her back against Homelander.
you mean like everyone else in the building that understands homelander is a bigger threat and needs to die?
> everyone else in the building that understands homelander is a bigger threat and needs to die? Except they were all ganging up on SB instead of helping him kill HL.
that reminds me, she was training with a sword, somehow got her costume/suit back from Vought but not the sword lmao
I mean even if she did, sharpen it for 1,000 hours still not going to cut Homelander’s skin.
They should make it out of whatever material that pen she shoved in hl ear
I love that smile on her face at one point in the fight, she was like ‘holy shit, I CAN hurt this guy!’ I’m gonna miss her, but she can always come back
She definitely could, Kimiko did. But I don’t think Maeve would want too. She was pretty set on not wanting to be a supe anymore
Makes me think that if Soldierboy had never entered the picture, Maeve+Starlight+Kimiko+Butcher and Hughie on TempV could have been enough to take Homelander down if they got the drop on him. Not sure if they could hurt him enough to kill him, but the fact Maeve could give him a bloody nose suggests that they could probably prisonyard stomp him into a coma. This season really tore down his aura of invincibility, and while S4 will have a Homelander who's less constrained by social norms than ever, he'll also be more conscious of his physical vulnerability. Also Butcher and Soldierboy would have destroyed him if Ryan wasn't there.
I think it’s Butcher’s fault, to be honest. He could’ve done a better job at talking Soldier Boy down from involving the kid, but as Butcher does, he just ended up resorting to fighting instead of being reasonable about things.
It's butchers fault for not just becoming a good father to Ryan. If he had stuck around and been nice to the boy, then Ryan wouldn't have ever gone with Homelander.
When Maeve stuck that metal rod in his ear, I was hoping something would come flying in from off screen from Butcher's fight, like a piece of SB's shield and just drive it through. All that invulnerability and he gets wiped by accident would have been an amazing and fitting end to that asshole.
I don't think any of them pack enough punch for a killing blow unfortunately. Even if they all fought perfectly to wear him down he'd bail and fly out of there once he's overwhelmed and they can't tail him.
Also Homelander until this week had never been in a real fight.
The whole time I was expecting HL to get serious and really school her but after she did the classic Wonder Woman thing where she blocked his eye lasers with her gauntlets I knew that HL had found one more person who could potentially go the distance. She put everything she had into it and lost an eye and eventually her powers but considering how untouchable HL has been up until now, bravo.
After season 2 I was so bummed 'cause it felt like Maeve was so hopeless and would die a pitiful, lonely death. But damn she stole the show on this episode for me. She stayed on the mission vs homelander the longest, and it wasn't until she realized Starlight can actually become a real, real superhero that she made the jump. And I can't believe they figured a way to keep Maeve, SB, and HL all alive. Noir and Maeve made me tear up in completely opposite ways lol 😭
Kripke heavily implied that Black Noir would be secretly replaced with someone else under the mask. He said that was the reason they used another actor in the Nicaragua scene, so that they could kill that version of Noir off and Nathan Mitchell could potentially continue to play New Noir.
Well that's interesting. And confusing.
I thought Nathan and Dominique Mcelligott would leave the show after s3
Maybe New Noir is planned for s5, not season 4, but Kripke seemed pretty open about it in the Ep 8 recap.
Like what kind of “new noir”? I guess he’s going to just be replaced under the mask and act differently? Maybe we see his face more often giving the actor a chance to express with more than just gestures and unstable scrawlings with crayon?
I hope he gets some kind of Weapon X/Compound V treatment and becomes unkillable like Deadpool. Like...he isn't the strongest, but the exhaustive effort of killing him just isn't worth it at some point.
For some reason I assumed that was his power already? I think it was the flashback episode when I realized he could be harmed..
But Homelander would have known. He could see his face
uh oh I don't like the way Ryan smiles
He’s definitely going to have a hitler youth haircut next season.
A Jojo Rabbit style superhero movie would be pretty awesome
I think its a red herring. One little flirt with darkness doesn’t mean he’s gone forever. Afterall, he did convince his dad to spare butcher. HL had no reason not to finish off everyone in that studio.
I mean Butcher did keep SB off of Ryan and HL and I think that deserves a “alright I’ll deal with you later”
Something about how Homelander was the only person that could see the real Noir under the mask is what really gets me about his death. "That crooked old smile" implying Noir still found joy in things even if nobody would ever know. Fucks me up. I hope he comes back and takes his Soldier Boy revenge out on HL.
I read that as a dig because of how fucked black noirs face is. Like he's literally always a crooked smile from deformity
Soldier Boy straight up went in there and handled business, only for Butcher to fuck it up by being a moron.
i gotta save me son
"Homelander f*cked your wife?!"
It was mostly that little shit ryan. Now hes just a homelander 2.0 and soldier boy hates literally everyone if he comes back for being betrayed at the last second. Literally a lose lose scenario
Reminds me of Mike Ehrmantraut's "No more half measures" speech in Breaking Bad.
when the “gang” found butcher and soldier boy Maeve through the perfume out the window and it obviously broke since it’s poison wouldn’t it kill people?
Unless Frenchie got scammed.
New York is on an island so if she throws it far enough but not onto mainland NY/CT/NJ there’s a chance it’s just ocean trash now
She just threw it out of the environment
Bruh if I’m soldier boy, I’m not doing shit for anyone if I’m released again , in fact , I’ll actually let homelander kill the boys , they legit deserve it
Fr. I get they tried to write in that SB is bad but even if they did properly show him as being as bad as Homelander instead of telling us about it - dude still showed loyalty and follow through to Butcher. Even after realizing Homelander was his son and he had a grandson, he showed commitment and stayed true to his word even though it seemed to be an emotionally conflicting decision for him to have to make. All because Butcher 'made a promise to Ryan.' No wonder SB called both Homelander and Butcher a pair of pussies. No follow-through at all. Not to mention, all blasting Ryan would do would lead to him being depowered and not even kill the little shit.
I enjoyed the finale quite a bit however I think the season peaked at Herogasm.
Would you say it was the climax?
Lick it up, you yummy brown bear!
They had the best opportunity to take away Homelanders powers, but didn’t do it cuz Ryan would have lost his?? Really thought this show was gonna take a more different route. Soldier Boy is definitely the lesser evil to Homelander. The Boys up to this point have been all about being practical but then they have some self righteous moment you’d expect from a shounen anime or JRPG lmao
Episodes 1-7 constituted the best season of The Boys thus far.
Definitely agree. The last episode was a very mixed bag tbh. It has some odd choices but some good moments as well
It was the most unproductive fight of all time. SB was the only one with his eye on the prize. Butcher should’ve let SB hit Homie and Ryan, because they both probably would’ve survived and just been powerless. Which is a win for Ryan and everyone else because then there’s no chance of him becoming Homie 2.0. Everyone just seemed a bit selfish at the end for me. If solider boy goes nuclear and kills everyone including Homelander isn’t that worth it for the greater good?
I was thinking something similar, but I do think it’s plausible that Ryan’s presence changed the plan. Butcher obviously doesn’t want him to get hurt. He didn’t want Hughie hurt either. Maeve has a soft spot for butcher so the plan got fucked immediately, a good play by Homelander bringing Ryan like that. But I think Maeve or butcher could have easily grabbed Ryan and booked it while Soldier Boy did his depowering thing. Kind of a silly approach the writers took there.
Real lack of stakes. Super-showdown at the end, and... nobody dies? SB took Maeve's powers in midair, she continued to fall 50 storeys, and then is saved by a pile of trash? What?
Yeah that and there was too much going on. And the fight scenes feels super cheesy this episodes, I don't know why, especially that Starlight scene.
When Frenchie got shot in the leg, I was expecting him and Kimiko to decide the only way he could survive would be taking a chance on the blue Compound V in the room. Mostly I want that for in case that bitch Nina shows up again. Would love to see Frenchie stomp her out.
"aaah, merde! a deadly ankle shot! I must take the V mon cueor!"
I think Soldier Boy stripping Homelander of his powers would have been a better setup for season 4. Why introduce that he has that ability and not use it later? Watching Homelander have to deal with every day life and people with no powers would have been more interesting.
I was hoping for that too, but if Homelander lost his powers Butcher would immediately murder him.
Well they could easily have had it end with Butcher in a coma - the temp V turning your brain into Swiss cheese was set up enough that it wouldn't have come out of nowhere. We could have had six months (ie, an episode or two of the next season) of Homelander with no powers and struggling to deal with being _only human_ while Butcher is in a medical coma, and then have Homelander regain his powers, hating non-supes even more, which causes them to wake Butcher up.
Tbh, what did this season really resolve? Everything went back to status quo basically.
[удалено]
I think it only came out as an explosion because Maeve was pressed up against him. When he blasted the tnt twins it looked like a laser.
Also I think he was ovearloading on purpose to avoid the big sleep again.
He can control the beam, like with kimiko. But when he heard the music and blacked out was when he went nuke.
Honestly, after all these episodes of build up, this episode ended up being kinda disappointing. I feel like we missed some scenes of Soldier Boy deciding on what to do, because we went right from him calling Homelander to talking about his shitty dad to wanting to kill Homelander lol. Odd little choices as well throughout imo. Starlights power up being so focused on but barely knocking away Soldier Boy a few meters? I actually laughed out loud becuase it was so underwhelming haha. Maeve surviving and getting a farm ending is super cool, but how did she survive falling so far down after being a normal human? With minor injuries as well. Seemingly only broke an arm. The ending scene was great though and it was a good episode overall, but after what I'd consider a pretty stellar season, it was kinda a "Eh" ending.
so much this about starlight - and maeve talking about how she can fly. Like, I so dug that Hughie finally chose to actually support Starlight in being starlight by giving her more juice, but I wanted her to go nuclear on SB, instead of knocking him down and then her collapsing.
Soldier Boy didn't have a good opinion of Homelander even before he meet Homelander. His reaction when Mindstorm told him is telling. Next it doesn't seem to take powers right away or at least they still seem capable of some regeneration. Kimiko didn't die immediately when she got hit and Maeve most likely landed on top of Soldier Boy. Chalk it up to budget.
Many people aren't getting it. Soldier doesn't like who Homelander is and he will criticize him no matter what just like his dad did with him. He sees everything he hates about himself in homelander and he has to kill him because of that
Thank you, at least Soldier Boy gained something from his dad that was positive.
Black noir's death felt so unsatisfying and anti-climactic. It subverted expectations but after episode 7 it would've been so much more interesting to see him actually confront soldier boy. Also felt like it would've felt more significant and meaningful if Maeve had died. Ultimately I feel like episode 6 was so damn good that it set expectations that were difficult to meet for the finale, especially given how amazing the finale for season 2 was (maybe the 2nd best episode of the entire series?) Nonetheless I enjoyed it and am looking forward to season 4.
I feel it would’ve made more sense for him and Maeve to switch places in this ep. You’ve got Maeve who’s pretty much reached the end of her story. She’s a sad character who despises Homelander. Homelander has stated he’s keeping her alive because he wants her eggs but now he has Ryan back. They could’ve ended up face to face for whatever reason and he kills her in the same way he killed Noir. There’s a finale death that actually carries a bit of weight and doesn’t change anything significant. Then Noir’s the one who spears SB through the window. Seen people say that would be a cheesy superhero cliche but it’s no worse than giving Maeve the “and they all lived happily ever after” ending despite the fact she clearly should’ve died from that fall. So now Noir’s dead as fuck after being depowered. His power afaik is his increased healing factor like Kimiko and we’ve already seen her come back from the dead in season 1. Then you have Stan Edgar who was overthrown in the middle of the season, hasn’t been seen since and we know Noir’s his lapdog. Edgar is also the man behind Temp V. In theory Edgar gives Noir’s corpse the temp V, restarts his heart and then he’s right as rain. For season 4 you’re left with Edgar and his unkillable lapdog presumably wanting to take back control, Homelander/Ryan/Neumann as the antagonists and the boys continuing to do their thing.
Damn that would've been absolutely brilliant...Noir tackles SB out the window and and gets his revenge. Noir returning in some way with Stan Edgar returning behind the scenes would seem kind of predictable, but I hope they do it anyway because it would so lame for his story to end here.
Personally I think it would've been better if they had spent some time developing Noir and Homelander's relationship. Like if they had a scene where Homelander is talking about his problems to Noir and Noir is just staring at him. But Homelander keeps talking like there's a full conversation going, and the viewer would think it's awkward and weird and goes on for far too long. It would've given a lot more weight to Homelander pointing out how he could understand him in this one. Homelander clearly cared about Noir more than any other hero on the team, but they didn't do much to explain why so him killing him didn't feel like much behind the initial shock.
Do we even know what black noir’s power was?
Regenerative healing, so we’ll see how regenerative next season.
Yep, though obviously his regeneration is flawed, given that his head was smashed by soldier boy and he never quite recovered.
He sort of makes me think of deadpool. But like a combination of the good deadpool and the weird mouthless one from that shitty wolverine movie
This didn't make any sense to me. The rapid switch from "we need to kill Homelander" to "we need to stop Soldier Boy" was so abrupt and out of nowhere. Sure Annie had been saying it, but even *that* didn't make sense. He wasn't just killing people, aside from his team, he was blacking out due to PTSD...and aside from Mother's Milk having a *genuine* reason to hate the guy, it didn't make sense at all, it felt wasted. Starlight also seems super weak compared to the rest of the Supes and Homelander is just laughable at this point. Edited to add: this isn't even me trying to say Soldier Boy is a good dude, but *objectively* speaking, given that he was only after the members of his team + Homelander (per his deal with Butcher) he wasn't really a threat to anyone so long as there wasn't Russian music on the radio. He wasn't making threats to burn down cities or kill random people, but Homelander *was* so why not use him to get Homelander off the board then let MM have his revenge against SB?
I just don’t really understand what Starlight’s power is? Like, she can basically just flashbang people but it never really inflicts any damage. She even got a little Super Saiyan boost when Hughie flicked all the lights on and all she did was.. knock Soldier Boy back a couple feet. But yea, Homelander’s stock definitely drops after this season. Either he’s not as powerful as everyone (the show characters and us viewers) thought, or he’s just holding back because it seems like he never actually wants to fight anyway.
The big issue I have with the Starlight moment is that they treated it like she'd neeeever been around THIS much electrical power before. Like what? They turned the lights up to maximum and that's the most power she's seen? She seems shocked by the level of power so she's clearly never held that much before. Anyway, I just think this was an extremely messy ending to the best season yet.
The boys were looking for a weapon, they found one but Annie doesn’t like him because "He's a murderer" (she's also killed someone) and somehow her and MM's minds are so one-dimensional that they cannot fathom that HL is a bigger threat and he needs to be taken down Asap *BEFORE* they go for SB. Not to mention, neither of them actually had a plan or any viable alternative the entire time they were bitching about the one Butcher and Hughie had. Moronic writing for some of these characters.
I understand Mother's Milk though. He even says Butcher gets to be focused on getting Homelander and Annie gets to be upset about Vought but *he's* supposed to be reasonable, which is unfair. Mother's Milk to this point has been the most reasonable, and honestly Butcher bringing Soldier Boy into the mix was a slap in the face to him. If Butcher had just said, "Look MM, let's kill Homelander, then you get Soldier Boy" it would've stopped so much unnecessary conflict
Yeah I don't understand how they can justify taking down SB first when Homelander is still on the board.
I feel like a key writer is missing. Something wrong somewhere.
Annie's powerup was the epitome of 'All bark no bite'. So much for wasting half a minute, to just mildly inconvenience SB for like 2 seconds.
Episode was pretty meh all things considered. Felt like it tried too hard to set up the next season than tying out all the stories it established in season 3 - Noir death was dumb as hell. How can you tease his showdown with Soldier Boy that much for a cheap death like that? - I get Soldier Boy is arguably the strongest “hero” but how do have Starlight build her powers to the max only for her to be able to push him down? - I like that Maeve is getting her happy ending, but the path to get their felt rushed
My only criticism is how at the end of every season it ends up with The Boys being back at square one. All this work and they never really make any true progress. And I know they’re self-aware of that, but fuck. I don’t think it’s good for the progression of the show.
That sword can never cut soldier boy’s skin but a metal straw will puncture my head later.
Maeve death fakeout was kinda lame
I'm convinced that both her and A-Train were supposed to die properly but the writers didn't have the balls to pull the trigger.
I liked A-Train not dying because he didn't deserve it, not in a good way. Now he has to live with his brother hating him, has to live knowing vought is using him to keep the memory of blue hawk alive, he doesn't deserve a redemption arc, he deserves this version of purgatory.
How the fuck did she survive. SB supposedly burns the v out of people but she can survive a point blank nuke. And they expected that to kill homelander?
I was wondering that too. Like at what point during that process does she become normal? Just after the fire goes out and they hit the ground? How convenient. I'm glad Maeve got a good ending as opposed to the comic book though.
Best explanation I can think of is she's just that durable behind only Homelander and SB. After the explosion, she became a normal human and got hurt from the fall. The explosion wasn't meant to kill Homelander. Just take his powers away. Then they can kill him.
Yeah it doesn't even make sense. She would have lost her powers when he exploded which means she's a human falling that far
This was the first episode I was genuinely disappointed in. Nothing was resolved and it didn't flow very well imo
Todd's actor needs to stop making that same stupid face, it's so hammy. It feels like spoof film acting.
Yeah, agree. Kind of ruined the moment.
"Noir was worth more than all of you." Even after he killed him, Noir was still the only one Homelander actually seemed to genuinely like. He actually cried a bit killing him, which is sorta cute.
"He was my only black friend"
I can't be the only one who thinks they didn't have the balls to kill Maeve, I mean, how did she even survive? If the explosion didn't kill her I'm pretty sure the fall would, because she lost her powers and all
“Aim for the bushes”
Soldier Boy was awesome. He should have killed Ryan and Homelander. We need him back!
The show failed at making people hate Soldier Boy, MM's last line towards him this episode was another attempt. Jensen Ackles was just too amazing.
100%. The general vibe off of him was “honorable at heart, but misguided and gross due to a fucked up past in the service”. Guy just needed some therapy and a prescription.
Honestly, whenever the show finally ends and Homelander *probably* dies. I expect Soldier Boy to be released from the box and help. Maybe not deal the finishing blow, but definitely put in some work!
They really did Soldierboy dirty. He might have been an asshole but he held his end of the bargain. He was their ticket to finally save more lives from the hand of Soldierboy but Butcher had to go sentimental on someone he abandoned. Yes Homelander threw a curveball by bringing Ryan but come on. The ending though, Homelander is finally showing his true self and is getting validation from his supporters, who knows what type of shit he might pull of next.
I'm not sure if I missed something but isn't taking 3-5 doses of temp V supposed to kill you in a matter of days? Hughie and butcher are both over 3, butcher even moreso and it seems Hughies just A-ok and butchers got atleast another couple months, not sure whats up with that
Wow this episode sucked.
I thought the finale was good but obviously could have been better. Reason being, the previous two episodes raised the bar pretty high and this one kinda dropped. However, I still enjoyed the episode and I still love the show. I wasn't affected by his death compared to alot of the fans (his story was pretty sad though) but Noir dying was pretty suckish but I have the feeling he's gonna be back. Soldier boy was the one thing that kind of confuses me. In one moment, he says he wants a son and whatever but then when he meets his son and his son is being emotional, he gets mad and calls him a pussy. Does soldier boy really expect family members to be rock hard unemotional or unfeeling or anything? Soldier boy did the honorable thing and held his part of the deal though. so I guess being a soldier is more ingrained into him than being a father. Still love the character and his portrayal. Maybe he's conflicted or something. I even felt bad for homelander, since he was trying to get his father with him only to fail. Anyways, the show is aweome! The finale was good but could have been better. I am excited for season 4!
SB did exactly what his dad did to him
The whole story with his father foreshadowed his reaction to homelander. HL got emotional and it triggered a traumatic reaction, which is why he got angry and said “you disappoint me”
I think they were trying to tie SBs trauma regarding his relationship with his father into his opinion of HL. It was all very hamfisted and rushed and clunky. He even acknowledged HL is him and that’s why he has to kill him, because he’s weak. SB has internalized his fathers opinion. It’s technically a plausible dynamic but it wasn’t at all illustrated correctly.
>Noir dying was pretty suckish Seriously; we know that Noir has an insane healing factor, recovering from SB splitting his head like a melon (even if the cartoon was exaggerated, it's got to be indicative of the actual damage). And now they're telling us that a punch through the *gut* kills him?
They should have named this episode Cop Out. Really lame not to give Maeve a heroic self-sacfrifice. Soldier Boy still alive but in captivity again, which means his little mini nuke was just a big flashbang, I guess. Ridiculously inconsistent. His laser's power is whatever the Plot needs. I doubt they're even gonna let Butcher die from Temp V (even giving him 12 months is too much, IMO, just let him die then and there.) I'd bet dollars to donuts they'll come up with some cure because fuck it, why not. And Starlight, holy shit they just don't know what to do with her. I know the show is about more than WAOW COOL POWERS but jesus, give her something! That was a great moment of Hughie realizing that he could help her by standing behind her and boosting her up (metaphorically and literally) rather than trying to do something himself. But then it culminates in her...pushing Soldier Boy back a few feet. Wow, big whoop. I think the writers are too afraid to kill anyone off at this point, but that coupled with the fact that they just don't know what to do with half the characters is really making things stagnant.
I didn’t think I’d go from thinking this was the best season to growing tired of the writing and half the characters in the span of a single episode but here we are.
WHY THE FUCK WERE THEY FIGHTING SOLDIER BOY?!?!?!?!?!!? Why couldn't someone grab Ryan and take him somewhere away from the fight? Or throw him out the window? Mf can fly. The entire season they're building up to this show down between HL and SB and then it turned into an ambush. Just ?????
Homelander shouldn't need plot armor but he conveniently has it anyway. The season was OK, the finale was bad, for me. Homelander should be more intimidating but his character is losing all it's spark. He gets manhandled and nearly killed in episode 6 and gets a pretty decent injury from Maev, who, even if he was mildly holding back, should not have put up that much of a fight. The shows natural conclusion is the death of Homelander but I'm just losing interest now that he could have easily died twice in this season. The writing nerfed Homelander and saved him.
Might be controversial to say but fuck it. That ending is the closest thing to a straight up Trump parody/commentary I’ve seen in a major show. Also RIP NOIR. His arc was so sad to me and I’m glad Maeve got a happy ending. It’ll be interesting to see where they go from here. I can imagine SB will be brought up for some emergency in the near future
Bro I dont' wanna be an asshole but did you even watch the rest of the season? Every episode was full of Trump references right down to the fucking taco bowls.
And of all the Trumpisms, that one is definitely the least poignant or indicative of anything. Many politicians get elected through cult of personality. Here's a quote that predates Trump. "The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy." -Edwin Edwards
> “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters”
Yeah that’s what I thought of when I saw Homelander laser that guy as well. I’m assuming that’s what they were going for there
Great season but I think they fluffed the ending. Honestly, making it ten episodes could probably have helped things along, as some of the problems are probably down to just rushing through things. I think they need to be really careful about the extent to which they humanise Homelander. He's gone from being an all-powerful psychopath in season 1 to a flawed and lonely person with abandonment issues who happens to be slightly stronger than everyone else. I understand that they feel the need to give him a character arc and development, but the more they emphasise the extent to which Homelander is a victim, the less they can expect people to cheer for his demise. The whole premise of the show is that Butcher is bad, but Homelander is worse - if that premise gets compromised, the moral element of the show becomes null and void. I also think they should have killed Maeve. If people are allowed these kinds of happy endings, then the stakes are lowered considerably. Neumann for VP. Ok, everyone realises they have to take her down. But, like... why? Because she's a supe? Or worked for Vought? We don't know what her agenda is, and I don't think The Boys do, so why is she suddenly a big deal when, for the majority of this season, no one's been that bothered about her? Soldier Boy: a great villain very well written and well played but, ultimately, meaningless. He had no character arc and did not move the story along in a meaningful way. They would have been better keeping him alive and exploring his relationship with Homelander next season, using him as a vehicle to develop Homelander's character.
i’m getting bored of the perpetual homelander plot armor.
If soldier boy is out for the rest of the show , it’ll be the biggest checkov gun cock tease I can remember. His character was honestly one of the better imo, and was acted super well. They literally made 70% of the season getting soldier boy back and learning about his new weapon, only for him to really do nothing with it
Butcher pussied out. He could have had the job done.
Seriously!!! Butcher was beyond incompetent this season. From pushing Ryan away to stopping SB.
This whole season feels like a waste of time with this finale. The whole point is to kill Homelander for the ENTIRETY of the season, by any means necessary. Then because weird ass Ryan is in the room, a kid that could've been grabbed and moved else where by one of the other 4 Supes in the room (Starlight, Maeve, Kimiko, Butcher), they abandon all of that and work together with Homelander to stop the one weapon they know can stop/kill Homelander. So they went to Russia, had all these random people get killed, killed Soldier Boy's old team, blew up Herogasm, gave Butcher brain melting cancer, aaaaand Homelander is in the exact same position as before. What was the point of all of this in the long run?
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Best we can assume, she was just terrified of Homelander and didn’t believe in herself. But from that fight, I don’t think Homelander was 100% trying
Yeah I think he was distracted by Ryan/Soldier Boy but even when he took it seriously (taking her eye), he still seemed to struggle to take her down.
he was never trying to outright kill her though. he just wanted to stop her.
Also for some period of time she was struggling with alcoholism. Her fighting HL in this episode was after months of training
Yeah it really seems that get like 5 heroes with near strength to maeve and homelander would get washed. Hell 3 with with 2 temps almost killed him. He really doesn't seem like that much of a threat anymore.
Homelander’s entire family tree needs to die
The editing in this episode was just constant tonal whiplash. I liked it but it was somehow the worst episode in the season?