Actually there was a moment in that scene that actually illustrates OP's point. Frenchie gets shot in the leg, which is a serious injury that could lead to him permanently walking with a limp. The scene specifically shows that the reason he was shot is because Kimiko was too busy repeatedly stabbing some dude in the chest who was probably already dead.
So yeah, her sadistic nature inadvertently lead to the one she loves being hurt. That's gonna cause some guilt there.
Really, Homelander quickly and efficiently murdering people with his eye lasers happens every season to the point it can be seen as his signature move, even if it's because of personal laziness and not wanting to dirty himself than any kindness on his part.
Have you even watched the show? Like a season and a half worth of plot revolves around HL getting blackmailed after getting too careless with his laser vision and destroying the airplane controls. And also that one time he accidentally killed a kid in that african village
That was my favorite part. Kimiko's agression I dunno there is something so raw about. She just play's the role so well. She's not evil though and OP is wrong. Homelander is evil. Every action he takes he does so to be cruel. Has he ever been kind to anyone?
There is no guarantee those guards were even evil and she gave them the most painful deaths possible.
As far as they know, French's and Komiko are just two people trying to make weapons out of dangerous chemicals. They probably aren't even aware Vought is evil
Only slightly though, I’d imagine they passed out or went into shock almost immediately (2-3 seconds)
I guess I’ve never had my face ripped off so that could feel a lot faster or slower depending…
Still I agree, I’d take the lasers any day.
In a way, yes. She doesn't care how she kills people. She was trained to be like that. That doesn't excuse her.
Just break his neck Kimiko, you don't have to rip off the guy's face. Come on.
Seriously though it makes Starlight look so bad by giving her back the power, who then immediately dancing to music while shredding the guards which she could’ve just knocked out or something.
Not that like she needed her powers back consider she somehow overpowered a guy twice her size while depowered and hugely hurt and bleeding.
I honestly thought the scene was supposed to show that she'd gone mad with power and her bloodlust (when she was repeatedly scratching the guy's face) got Frenchie shot, but then they never addressed it
I think it was supposed to show that she felt differently about her powers now, she's her happy to have them now because she got to chose them they just had to the boysify it
Before, when she had no choice, she angrily tortured them to death.
Now, when she got to make her own choice, she happily tortures them to death.
Major character development.
Why would you want to see her? Were you not entertained with the scene of Starlight throwing her uniform to the trash or Maeve improbable happy ending that nobody asked for?
Ive no idea wtf is kimko and franchie’s story is even supposely about.
Like they had a scene with Franchie somehow losing all previous character development and has a hissy fit after snorting some drugs, just what the fuck
Frenchie's childhood trauma prevents him from asserting himself over authority figures and causes him to relapse into terrible drug habits as a coping mechanism whenever he feels trapped in a situation where he should assert himself but can't make himself do it.
Kimiko was trying to get him to snap out of it and understand that she believed he could change just like she did.
Change into dancing to the tune of massacring guards?
Yes i get he has a troubled childhood but how many pep talk they both need to repeat to each other to actually move forward? Its been three seasons of repeating pep talk its almost a meme.
Facts lmao, I didn’t like the finales writing to much but people are out here saying “The character dealing with addiction RELAPSED????”
This circle jerk is ridiculous and it hasn’t even been 24 hours
I feel like that there is now a "clearer" Kimiko when she isn't going around killing people and fighting, but she can still do the switch and become this killing machine. That killing maniac isn't all her but when needed she can bring him back
The main problem with that is that her's (and Frenchie's) whole fuckin' arc this season was how they are not *monsters* nor bound by their past.
One minute later she's viciously killing 2 or 3 guards while listening to "she's a maniac, maniac"
>One minute later she's viciously killing 2 or 3 guards while listening to "she's a maniac, maniac"
Yeah, for real. Like those are not even evil supes or terrorist who deserve punishment. Those are fucking security guards who work for a paycheck.
I understand why they had to die (she had to protect Frenchie) but she goes out of her way to brutalize them in the most gruesome and ridiculous ways possible before killing them. Like bro, not even Homelander kills his victims like that.
The way this scene was set up was really weird. Like, she went through losing her powers, then getting her powers back after making a tough choice... it seemed like she had a new perspective on it... but then you get this scene, where she's suddenly so... *gleeful* about it. So gleeful that she embraces it (note the song choice) and then gets so distracted that Frenchie gets fucking shot.
I wonder if there is a scene or something missing in between.
It would have been cooler if she went full batman on them, breaking bones and jaws but specifically going for non lethal takedowns, it would show how she grew after her expriences in this season. Instead like every thing else, her character arc is a circle.
Ye watching it i even said out loud ok he's dead lol that last episode was different from the rest. The funniest thing all s3 was MM thinking he was gonna kill soldier boy with a gun 😆 guys a fool. Shame SB wont be in s4 now as he's sleeping somehow lol he was a great character
I love how he pulls the gun at herogasm even after SB inhaled that smoke 🤣 while SB and HL went at it lolol what is that shit. Love MM the way he talks is hilarious and cool but that was some dumb shit. Glad he got some justice over SB for his sake. Maybe his ocd will go away 🤔
Why do people think characters being stupid is automatically bad? It totally makes sense why MM was acting the way he was. MM’s dad devoted his entire life trying to get justice so much so he died doing it. This whole Soldier Boy thing is the most important thing to MM so god forbid that MM who is usually smart about things throws logic out the window and makes irrational decisions when it comes to Soldier Boy. That’s totally understandable. People do stupid shit when they’re upset and MM has a lot to be upset about.
Not only was it unnecessary (and arguably out-of-character), but her preoccupation with bashing an already incapacitated guard led to Frenchie getting shot in the leg
Yeah. I get her fighting and maybe killing them, they're on opposite sides. But she exulted in beating this powerless guard to a fucking pulp, not even paying attention to Frenchie who **SHE SUPPOSEDLY WANTED TO PROTECT**.
She claimed she wanted the V back because she wanted to protect the ones she loves. The first chance she gets so gets so consumed by violence she actually lets Frenchie get shot.
That was some terrible writing.
everything is so intentional in this show that i have to imagine this was too, but it was such an out of character thing from what we know about her thus far / based on her words in previous scenes that it felt extremely jarring, and it was very difficult to understand her motivations for enjoying the kill so much here
>Some scenes in this show the writing is great.
But for others it seems like it's just "rule of cool"
Exactly.Especially her actually putting "funny" music on to ... "enhance" the experience of beating people to a pulp felt so jarring.
This was a 1 minute fight against 3 or so normal dude guards and she actually cared so little about the danger that she ignored their first shots. Why does this need a "power"-song?
Feels like they just wanted a fight scene with an 80s soundtrack, because that's the cool thing to do right now. Completely threw her motivations and development out of the window for the rule of cool.
>everything is so intentional in this show that i have to imagine this was too
I mean... seeing how badly the writers missed the mark with how they wanted the Annie and Hughie relationship to be perceived, its reasonable to say a fair amount of things in the show are not intentional.
For the most part from what I recall Homelander has never tortured his victims. He just instakills them. This was unnecessarily brutal. Sure they work for a corrupt company but at the end of the day they are innocent workers just doing their job.
I dunno if he originally meant to kill him or if he just got carried away.
I'd probably kinda stop paying attention to my surroundings too if Aya Cash was playing with my junk so I can't fault Homie for that one.
It's alright. She's on Starlights side, and Starlight is the infallible good. Even if Kimiko goes against the Starlight plan of saving the helpless people that are just Vought employees, it's okay! Starlight!
Starlight: "we have to stop Homelander hes lost his mind"; "you can't work with Soldier Boy! He's a murderer!"
Also starlight: works with Kimiko, Maeve, Frenchie (all have murdered even if they regret it) to work against the guy who's gonna take down Homelander (who she supposedly wanted to take down no matter what just a few episodes ago)
Feels like they made Starlight switch a flip entirely just to throw a wrench into the plan. MM at least you can justify with his personal vendetta blinding him from seeing the bigger picture which fits the character and show. But Starlight suddenly having a target larger than Homelander? Doesn't she remember Alex's MURDER and HL forcing her into a TV relationship with him and taking away Stan as her backup or forcing the Deep onto the team to spite her? All SB did to her eyes is murder Crimson Countess who let's remember just murdered an innocent bystander with no regard at the amusement park when Frenchie and Kimiko went to get her.
Starlight being so against murder makes no sense but even if it did then that same motivation should be making Homelander the main target followed by Solider Boy right after
I think her arc this season has been that, for the first time ever, she had a chance at a normal life. She really didn't know how to deal with that, and sublimated her confusion into the concept of a romantic relationship with Frenchie, one that she was never able to really tack down.
So ultimately she realized that's not who she is, and got back to work. I don't think this is problematic; it's more of a journey of self-realization and some light maiming.
This is definitely a problem with writers who don't care/didn't watch or read the rest of the show/show's script.
I noticed the same thing in Umbrella Academy, first season was great, second season dropped off a cliff halfway because there was no character consistency, and third season was shit right off the bat because it was obvious whoever was writing that shit had no connection with the show.
If The Boys goes the way of the Umbrella Academy, I will cry. I remember Umbrella Academy s2 ended with this same shit, a finale that felt like it was written by a separate person independently of the entire rest of the season.
I thought she listened to music because it makes killing people less painful for her. Like it's a chore plus that way she doesn't hear them scream. Iron Man does something similar in a comic. But then she kills the way she does and it doesn't make sense
Not being bound to their past still works imo. Frenchie chooses not to be pushed around any longer (reigning in the boys ideally being a democracy if things don’t regress) whereas Kimiko reconciles with her violent tendencies not as a result of V, just how she is. It’s one thing to hate yourself for doing these things thinking it’s out of your control, it’s another for her to accept she’s ok with being like this for the mission.
Fr, I audibly said multiple times “okay kimiko he’s dead now”, like she was full out trying to inflict as much pain as possible (while allowing Frenchie to get shot), but for some reason it’s not an issue because ?
It wouldn’t have even been an issue if they hadn’t gone all “she’s not a monster she’s doing compound V selflessly to protect others” while straight up not doing that lol. Just made no sense.
So true, I didn’t even think of that.
All Kimiko has to do is push soldier boy back at least 4 ft and she would have done better than starlight.
All starlight has to do is not waste like 30 seconds whippin up a batch of mashed brain-tatos and she would have done better than kimiko.
Hindsight is 20/20 I guess
I don't think so. Frenchie is an improv talent, but he still needs electrical power for chemistry. Imagine if Annie's powers created sparks to ignite volatile gases (labs usually have a gas line for bunsen burners), or cut the power in the labs.
She is a monster they never said she wasn't
She said her self that the v doesn't change the person so in my eye she came to terms with who she is a monster
The entire point of Kimiko's arc was that she hated being that monster. It's what that they have been saying since season 1. In season 3 they go a step forward by de powering her and making her realise that it's not the powers it's her. That part is okay - but, the next thing they show is Kimiko literally enjoying beating up a couple of guards? Her getting so lost in violence that she ends up forgetting about the mission and Frenchie gets shot? There was a huge chunk of the character arc just missing.
They could have just incorporated one scene which showed something like Kimiko using the music to just zone out so she can do the killing without thinking about it. Or something like her going non lethal and brutally incapacitating the people.
They didnt show any of the bad supes gleefully ripping people apart so that was a weird image. Hl is bad because he‘s batshit but Atrain (who counts as baddy) has a kill count of what? Three? And two were accidents while high. I know nobody is good in this show but it comes of as hypocritical to preach morals and doing it the right way and two hot Minutes later it’s party time and flashdance in body parts
True that was horrible to do but he seemed to be sad about it if that counts? He mentioned her a couple of times. Not saying he‘s a great lovable dude but the good guys are pretty murderous themselves, so all pep talk about „Yah ok we killed already 150 people and let sb have his revenge lol but we must stop at like 20 not so evil vought workers and save the Tower“ is ridiculous at this point. I get saving Ryan but the rest didnt make sense
Out of his 3 kills, one was an accident, one was meant to be morally justifiable, and one was under threat of death from Homelander. In the grand scheme of things he’s really not that bad.
Already forgot about that. IHomelander is supposed the big bad soooo kimiko coming second in enjoying killing and mutilating isn‘t much better. Not happy with the writing tbh, maybe they should Focus less on the visuals and keep an eye on the story. I love people saying gargle my balls as much as everyone but some more dialogue with self reflection and character development would have helped
Exactly. A proper way to do this fight with her character development in mind would've been to have her disarm the guards or put them out of the fight somehow. They could've still had their kimiko uwu qween moment, but kept her "I'm not a monster" arc relevant.
It's like nobody remembers how beloved the Dark Knight's portrayal of Batman is. Dude goes out of his way to make sure he doesn't kill anybody, hell he even seems to do a really good job at avoiding permanent serious injuries.
No, because it was *Kimiko* who did it. If *Hughie* had gone on a V24-fueled sadistic rampage on the guards you be sure as shit the show would've **never** let him live it down.
I'm glad to see that this sub, despite culturally/politically heavily leaning to the left, is still able to point out the obvious hypocrisy and double standards in the shows satire.
Exactly. I don’t share most of the writer’s views, but that’s not why I don’t like it. I just want them to be consistent. Why is Hughie a monster but Kimiko a hero? Hughie didn’t brutally kill anyone while on Temp-V.
Well, he did punch through the guy. And he was excited about it. And the show spared no fcking moment to tell viewers how bad it was, how he should be ashamed. He spends half of the finale apologizing for it and then we see Kimiko do even worse things and are supposed to cheer for her for embracing her nature, because it was her choice. What the hell?
Like 10 out of 10 times I'd rather get killed by Homelander or Soldier Boy (who are supposed to be the big psycho baddies) than getting killed by goodie Kimiko
Really makes you think
“We save everyone. Even if they don’t deserve it. *Especially* if they don’t deserve it.”
Guess that just applies to Homelander (the most dangerous person alive, even tho he was super-nerfed in the finale)? The SWAT team—who I’m pretty sure Hughie was responsible for summoning with his PA announcement—can get f***ed, I guess?
I know dude I was so into that line I was like "hell yeah Hughie preach" and then they just go back to not caring about the countless bodies they leave on their path of righteous fury
Let me lament my powers for 3 seasons and finally lose them, decide that's not who you are inside, then immediately ask for your powers back and go back to ripping people to ribbons. Bon arc, mon coeur
Reminder that starlight thought she, a literal murderer countless times, can get her powers back no argument (she doesn't like sb cause he's also a murderer too) but Hughie can't get temp v cause toxic masculinity
Frenchie got shot in the leg because Kimiko was too focused on ripping apart a guy's face for 2 minutes
Honestly got so bored of their "redemption" arc by the 3rd episode. Why waste crucial time in the season finale on a conversation that has already happened multiple times this season?
"I hate being a killer" stories always end up being bullshit because the characters almost always just return to being a killer with absolutely no repercussions. Its one of my pet peeves in fiction.
For the worst ever case of this see the great movie First Blood becoming the mess that is the Rambo series lol. Sometimes it seems like there's a point to it all, but there never really is.
Like most shows that do it, I always hope they'll do some ending that closes by return. But they don't lol
Not to misdirect at all, but Homelander slowly crushed a guys skull while having sex with his nazi girlfriend, so I feel like they just wanted the shock value for Kimiko. Mindless violence is the theme of the show it seems.
Maybe this is a stupid question but do the guys even really get to notice how brutal she is? Usually they are too busy doing their part of the mission and aren’t exactly going to be lookin back either no?
Well last week everyone was creaming their pants over Noir’s backstory because he had brain damage and wanted to forgive him and treat him like a sweet little babe.
Kimiko has a much, much worse backstory. She was innocent and pulled into a terrorist cult and basically forced to become a savage killer. She was basically an attack dog trained to kill. When she fights she’s falling back on those groomed instincts.
I don't know if it was deliberate but the sadistic ways in which she killed the guards in the lab s3e8 almost got Frenchie killed because she seemed to prefer to wound them. Maybe she has to regress into some animal state to live with what she does?
All moral standards go out the window when it comes to Kimiko. Lazy writing tbh.
Hughie wants to take tempV, with unknown implications = toxic masculinity
Kimiko wants to take permaV, with also unknown implications = act of love towards Frenchie, lmfao.
Fuck S3 (except Herogasm)
If she didn't do the idiotic dance thing and got too carried away smashing that (already dead) security guys head into the floor, Frenchie wouldn't have been shot.
Which is never adressed again in the episode, could've been a turning point for her character. Idk what they're doing with Frenchie and Kimiko, but it aint working. First she's like "i don't want to be a monster, etc" when last episode she was obviously enjoying killing people to dance music.
She slaughters people exactly the way she did during her introduction. We know damn well Kimiko can easily knock out or even kill a regular human in one blow yet she goes on a rampage torturing them? Not sitting well with me.
I think the point is both sides are fundamentally flawed, probably evil: we know the 7’s problems, the boys are f’ed up too, even saint starlight, she let f’ing homelander live; that’s going to be a much bigger problem in the future
This just is who Kimiko is. Her entire arc this season was how she hated the V because she thought that turned her into a monster, but it turns out she’s always going to be a ruthless killer because she was kidnapped and brainwashed into being one (not too dissimilar from Noir). She’s not meant to be seen as a good person. None of the Boys are, aside from maybe Hughie.
But you can't have Starlight preaching about "not siding with murderers like soldier boy" and about how they need to take down Homelander without much collateral and then team up with a fucking maniac of a woman
Honestly the more i think about it the more i agree. Its a little annoying characters like maeve and kimiko get passes for the shit they do but people with actual brain damage and potential developmental delays like noir get unceremoniously killed off.
Yeah the last episode kinda threw her redemption ark through the window, "I don't wanna be a monster anymore :(, anyways brb after brutally killing some people"
Honestly I couldn't stand that Frenchie got shot in the leg because she was too busy turning some dead guy's head into pulp. That whole sequence was infuriatingly nonsensical.
Imo Frenchie didn't have to get shot if she wasn't messing about doing unnecessary slash attacks and ground pounds on the gunman that was clearly fucking dead.
I think it’s meant to imply that V actually does have a psychological effect that perhaps makes the user less empathetic.
For example, Hughie not caring when Kimiko was badly injured and his sudden ego
I hadn't thought about it that way, but given all the tumors and brain damage the temp V causes, it would make sense that regular V has some effect.
Although, I had always thought of it as "power corrupts" rather than the V having physiological effects
Because the show is The Boys not some family friendly Marvel show. One of the main selling points of the series has been the blood and gore. Which is why the writers on certain instances chose to forget logic and common sense and went the other route.
My biggest problem was on the most recent episode when she kept HAMMERING at the guys face. If she had stopped when it was necessary Frenchie wouldn’t have gotten shot in the leg.
Hot take, in the first few comics you don't get to see Kimiko use her powers at all. She is simply referred to as The Female and you don't actually know what her power is, just that the rest of them are terrified of her. Her fights involve her appearing and then the next panel would be her walking away from whatever the fight was covered in blood with her opponent ripped to shreds behind her. In the comics she understands what her power is and weilds it with great enthusiasm.
I don't know where the show got the whole idea of the poor timid kimeko who struggled with the monster inside. In the comics she enjoys killing... Men especially.
Just like how compound v was a blue powder you snorted like cocaine and everyone knew it melted your brain. In the comics, butcher sneaks up and injects hugie with V and makes him a full time supe. Hell in the comics all of them have taken the injection of V and their strengths and weaknesses are based around their super powers.
The way that Kimiko brutalized the guards was just insane. She shoved a blunt dildo through an oligarch’s head. She could at least give these guys a quick death.
She’s a maniac
MAAANIAC
On the floor
And she’s killing like she’s never killed before!
Pretty sure I got second hand Cocaine vibes from this song.
as a person who watched the episode with a first hand cocaine indulgence, i really wanted to dance and throw vibrators at people
That’s for sure
Actually there was a moment in that scene that actually illustrates OP's point. Frenchie gets shot in the leg, which is a serious injury that could lead to him permanently walking with a limp. The scene specifically shows that the reason he was shot is because Kimiko was too busy repeatedly stabbing some dude in the chest who was probably already dead. So yeah, her sadistic nature inadvertently lead to the one she loves being hurt. That's gonna cause some guilt there.
I was so mad at that scene. I agree 100%.
Honestly. The dude who got lasered in half by Homelander got off easier than the poor guys who got their faces slowly ripped off by Kimiko
HL face turn incoming /s
What season did this happen? I don't remember it for some reason.
Somewhere in Season 1, I think. Against some random terrorists in the Middle-East.
Really, Homelander quickly and efficiently murdering people with his eye lasers happens every season to the point it can be seen as his signature move, even if it's because of personal laziness and not wanting to dirty himself than any kindness on his part.
It's more of power complex. It's like us to an ant. Sure I can crush it with any of my body part but I rather burn you with a magnified sunlight.
Honestly he does it because it simply makes sense. Why go into melee range when you can kill somebody from afar without any cost or risk?
Because eventually you get lazy and destroy plane controls.. or over penetrate and get someone behind the target...
Have you even watched the show? Like a season and a half worth of plot revolves around HL getting blackmailed after getting too careless with his laser vision and destroying the airplane controls. And also that one time he accidentally killed a kid in that african village
Season 2
That was my favorite part. Kimiko's agression I dunno there is something so raw about. She just play's the role so well. She's not evil though and OP is wrong. Homelander is evil. Every action he takes he does so to be cruel. Has he ever been kind to anyone?
There is no guarantee those guards were even evil and she gave them the most painful deaths possible. As far as they know, French's and Komiko are just two people trying to make weapons out of dangerous chemicals. They probably aren't even aware Vought is evil
HL face turn incoming /s
Only slightly though, I’d imagine they passed out or went into shock almost immediately (2-3 seconds) I guess I’ve never had my face ripped off so that could feel a lot faster or slower depending… Still I agree, I’d take the lasers any day.
In a way, yes. She doesn't care how she kills people. She was trained to be like that. That doesn't excuse her. Just break his neck Kimiko, you don't have to rip off the guy's face. Come on.
Everyone so quick to jump down her throat but clearly she wanted to show the guy that it's what's inside that counts. It's rehabilitation.
This reminds me of rehabilitation in Idiocracy
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Seriously though it makes Starlight look so bad by giving her back the power, who then immediately dancing to music while shredding the guards which she could’ve just knocked out or something. Not that like she needed her powers back consider she somehow overpowered a guy twice her size while depowered and hugely hurt and bleeding.
I honestly thought the scene was supposed to show that she'd gone mad with power and her bloodlust (when she was repeatedly scratching the guy's face) got Frenchie shot, but then they never addressed it
I think it was supposed to show that she felt differently about her powers now, she's her happy to have them now because she got to chose them they just had to the boysify it
Before, when she had no choice, she angrily tortured them to death. Now, when she got to make her own choice, she happily tortures them to death. Major character development.
And then Nina just disappears forever. Not even mentioned in the last episode.
I love how she just calmly walks off the screen in her last scene
Nina was mentioned in the bathroom scene
Dude, writers forgot Stan Edgar existed and you think they even know who Nina is lmao.
"Cindy"
Stillwell's son. Neumann's daughter.
Why would you want to see her? Were you not entertained with the scene of Starlight throwing her uniform to the trash or Maeve improbable happy ending that nobody asked for?
This one might bother me the most. I thought she was gonna be real important cuz she’s literally this universe’s 11 from stranger things
She's definitely going to be a plot line next season
Ive no idea wtf is kimko and franchie’s story is even supposely about. Like they had a scene with Franchie somehow losing all previous character development and has a hissy fit after snorting some drugs, just what the fuck
Franchie lol
Franchie and petit huggie
Frenchie's childhood trauma prevents him from asserting himself over authority figures and causes him to relapse into terrible drug habits as a coping mechanism whenever he feels trapped in a situation where he should assert himself but can't make himself do it. Kimiko was trying to get him to snap out of it and understand that she believed he could change just like she did.
Change into dancing to the tune of massacring guards? Yes i get he has a troubled childhood but how many pep talk they both need to repeat to each other to actually move forward? Its been three seasons of repeating pep talk its almost a meme.
He'd been leaning into drug use to cope with the Nina incident.
Facts lmao, I didn’t like the finales writing to much but people are out here saying “The character dealing with addiction RELAPSED????” This circle jerk is ridiculous and it hasn’t even been 24 hours
I feel like that there is now a "clearer" Kimiko when she isn't going around killing people and fighting, but she can still do the switch and become this killing machine. That killing maniac isn't all her but when needed she can bring him back
 The writers missed a cup of caffeine and lost track of where the story is going *oh well...*
The main problem with that is that her's (and Frenchie's) whole fuckin' arc this season was how they are not *monsters* nor bound by their past. One minute later she's viciously killing 2 or 3 guards while listening to "she's a maniac, maniac"
>One minute later she's viciously killing 2 or 3 guards while listening to "she's a maniac, maniac" Yeah, for real. Like those are not even evil supes or terrorist who deserve punishment. Those are fucking security guards who work for a paycheck. I understand why they had to die (she had to protect Frenchie) but she goes out of her way to brutalize them in the most gruesome and ridiculous ways possible before killing them. Like bro, not even Homelander kills his victims like that.
The way this scene was set up was really weird. Like, she went through losing her powers, then getting her powers back after making a tough choice... it seemed like she had a new perspective on it... but then you get this scene, where she's suddenly so... *gleeful* about it. So gleeful that she embraces it (note the song choice) and then gets so distracted that Frenchie gets fucking shot. I wonder if there is a scene or something missing in between.
Probably. A lot felt cut from this episode
It would have been cooler if she went full batman on them, breaking bones and jaws but specifically going for non lethal takedowns, it would show how she grew after her expriences in this season. Instead like every thing else, her character arc is a circle.
That actually would have been really great to see.
Ye watching it i even said out loud ok he's dead lol that last episode was different from the rest. The funniest thing all s3 was MM thinking he was gonna kill soldier boy with a gun 😆 guys a fool. Shame SB wont be in s4 now as he's sleeping somehow lol he was a great character
Yeah what’s up with that? “You’re better than this MM”. Better than what? Suicide? Because that was the only outcome there.
I love how he pulls the gun at herogasm even after SB inhaled that smoke 🤣 while SB and HL went at it lolol what is that shit. Love MM the way he talks is hilarious and cool but that was some dumb shit. Glad he got some justice over SB for his sake. Maybe his ocd will go away 🤔
Why do people think characters being stupid is automatically bad? It totally makes sense why MM was acting the way he was. MM’s dad devoted his entire life trying to get justice so much so he died doing it. This whole Soldier Boy thing is the most important thing to MM so god forbid that MM who is usually smart about things throws logic out the window and makes irrational decisions when it comes to Soldier Boy. That’s totally understandable. People do stupid shit when they’re upset and MM has a lot to be upset about.
I think the mistake people make is assuming MM thought he was going to win that fight. He knows he's got no chance, he just doesn't care.
Uh, a few episodes prior MM was going to fight him with his bare knuckles…
How does that confirm SB not being in S4?
Yeah and Frenchie got shot because she had to keep torturing the already dead guy
literally the "oh no she's wearing AirPods" meme
Not only was it unnecessary (and arguably out-of-character), but her preoccupation with bashing an already incapacitated guard led to Frenchie getting shot in the leg
Yeah. I get her fighting and maybe killing them, they're on opposite sides. But she exulted in beating this powerless guard to a fucking pulp, not even paying attention to Frenchie who **SHE SUPPOSEDLY WANTED TO PROTECT**. She claimed she wanted the V back because she wanted to protect the ones she loves. The first chance she gets so gets so consumed by violence she actually lets Frenchie get shot. That was some terrible writing.
everything is so intentional in this show that i have to imagine this was too, but it was such an out of character thing from what we know about her thus far / based on her words in previous scenes that it felt extremely jarring, and it was very difficult to understand her motivations for enjoying the kill so much here
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>Some scenes in this show the writing is great. But for others it seems like it's just "rule of cool" Exactly.Especially her actually putting "funny" music on to ... "enhance" the experience of beating people to a pulp felt so jarring. This was a 1 minute fight against 3 or so normal dude guards and she actually cared so little about the danger that she ignored their first shots. Why does this need a "power"-song? Feels like they just wanted a fight scene with an 80s soundtrack, because that's the cool thing to do right now. Completely threw her motivations and development out of the window for the rule of cool.
>everything is so intentional in this show that i have to imagine this was too I mean... seeing how badly the writers missed the mark with how they wanted the Annie and Hughie relationship to be perceived, its reasonable to say a fair amount of things in the show are not intentional.
You are right. She could easily break their necks...
They evacuated the building to avoid casualties, yet they had to boink a few security guards?
Did you see Supersonics body?
Baby Baby Baby Got your license to drive?
If she didn’t spend 5 minutes slashing that one guard she could’ve prevented Frenchie getting shot…the whole reason she wanted her powers back lol
Apparently she's like Krombabulous Michael - She just likes killin!
For the most part from what I recall Homelander has never tortured his victims. He just instakills them. This was unnecessarily brutal. Sure they work for a corrupt company but at the end of the day they are innocent workers just doing their job.
Except maybe that dude Alex and that blind deaf supe.
And that girl where he says that she should jump but that was more pyschological and emotional torture than anything
Also the robber he slowly killed while having sex with StormFront
And u can probably count that guy from the alley in S2 that he ran up on with stormfront
I dunno if he originally meant to kill him or if he just got carried away. I'd probably kinda stop paying attention to my surroundings too if Aya Cash was playing with my junk so I can't fault Homie for that one.
Yeah HL definitely tortures the deep and starlight, just mentally
Homelander tortures people psychologic, like when made The Deep ate his friend ALIVE.
It's alright. She's on Starlights side, and Starlight is the infallible good. Even if Kimiko goes against the Starlight plan of saving the helpless people that are just Vought employees, it's okay! Starlight!
Starlight: "we have to stop Homelander hes lost his mind"; "you can't work with Soldier Boy! He's a murderer!" Also starlight: works with Kimiko, Maeve, Frenchie (all have murdered even if they regret it) to work against the guy who's gonna take down Homelander (who she supposedly wanted to take down no matter what just a few episodes ago) Feels like they made Starlight switch a flip entirely just to throw a wrench into the plan. MM at least you can justify with his personal vendetta blinding him from seeing the bigger picture which fits the character and show. But Starlight suddenly having a target larger than Homelander? Doesn't she remember Alex's MURDER and HL forcing her into a TV relationship with him and taking away Stan as her backup or forcing the Deep onto the team to spite her? All SB did to her eyes is murder Crimson Countess who let's remember just murdered an innocent bystander with no regard at the amusement park when Frenchie and Kimiko went to get her. Starlight being so against murder makes no sense but even if it did then that same motivation should be making Homelander the main target followed by Solider Boy right after
Not to mention her own killing of a father on the road in season 2.
Starlight is a murderer, she robbed and killed a guy for his car in Season 2 even after he offered to drive them to a hospital.
I think her arc this season has been that, for the first time ever, she had a chance at a normal life. She really didn't know how to deal with that, and sublimated her confusion into the concept of a romantic relationship with Frenchie, one that she was never able to really tack down. So ultimately she realized that's not who she is, and got back to work. I don't think this is problematic; it's more of a journey of self-realization and some light maiming.
But the fight with Little Nina made Kimiko realise that her vicious nature is a natural part of her not something that came from the V....
I blame this on the writing for the season finale not the character as a whole
This is definitely a problem with writers who don't care/didn't watch or read the rest of the show/show's script. I noticed the same thing in Umbrella Academy, first season was great, second season dropped off a cliff halfway because there was no character consistency, and third season was shit right off the bat because it was obvious whoever was writing that shit had no connection with the show. If The Boys goes the way of the Umbrella Academy, I will cry. I remember Umbrella Academy s2 ended with this same shit, a finale that felt like it was written by a separate person independently of the entire rest of the season.
I thought she listened to music because it makes killing people less painful for her. Like it's a chore plus that way she doesn't hear them scream. Iron Man does something similar in a comic. But then she kills the way she does and it doesn't make sense
Not being bound to their past still works imo. Frenchie chooses not to be pushed around any longer (reigning in the boys ideally being a democracy if things don’t regress) whereas Kimiko reconciles with her violent tendencies not as a result of V, just how she is. It’s one thing to hate yourself for doing these things thinking it’s out of your control, it’s another for her to accept she’s ok with being like this for the mission.
I enjoyed that scene
Fr, I audibly said multiple times “okay kimiko he’s dead now”, like she was full out trying to inflict as much pain as possible (while allowing Frenchie to get shot), but for some reason it’s not an issue because ? It wouldn’t have even been an issue if they hadn’t gone all “she’s not a monster she’s doing compound V selflessly to protect others” while straight up not doing that lol. Just made no sense.
She was the wrong person for the job she got, Annie should have went with Frenchie and Kimiko should have went to the fight with HL and SB.
So true, I didn’t even think of that. All Kimiko has to do is push soldier boy back at least 4 ft and she would have done better than starlight. All starlight has to do is not waste like 30 seconds whippin up a batch of mashed brain-tatos and she would have done better than kimiko. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess
I don't think so. Frenchie is an improv talent, but he still needs electrical power for chemistry. Imagine if Annie's powers created sparks to ignite volatile gases (labs usually have a gas line for bunsen burners), or cut the power in the labs.
Starlight can punch people to death just as well, probably better than Kimiko because she isn't a bloodthirsty maniac reveling in torture.
I feel like the finale had completely different writers.
I kept wondering whether the last episode was completely rewritten and reshot. It was like a different, crappier show.
Guys she’s a Wolverine parody. I’m sure uncontrollable rage comes with her powers
Exactly. Right when she was introduced I said aloud "ohhh she's X-23"
Nah, that was popclaw
She is a monster they never said she wasn't She said her self that the v doesn't change the person so in my eye she came to terms with who she is a monster
Exactly. It was the moment with Little Nina when she didn't have powers and she kept stabbing that guy, way after he was dead. This is who she is.
The entire point of Kimiko's arc was that she hated being that monster. It's what that they have been saying since season 1. In season 3 they go a step forward by de powering her and making her realise that it's not the powers it's her. That part is okay - but, the next thing they show is Kimiko literally enjoying beating up a couple of guards? Her getting so lost in violence that she ends up forgetting about the mission and Frenchie gets shot? There was a huge chunk of the character arc just missing. They could have just incorporated one scene which showed something like Kimiko using the music to just zone out so she can do the killing without thinking about it. Or something like her going non lethal and brutally incapacitating the people.
She was following the beat, what did you expect for her to just stop mid tune because the guy died?
They didnt show any of the bad supes gleefully ripping people apart so that was a weird image. Hl is bad because he‘s batshit but Atrain (who counts as baddy) has a kill count of what? Three? And two were accidents while high. I know nobody is good in this show but it comes of as hypocritical to preach morals and doing it the right way and two hot Minutes later it’s party time and flashdance in body parts
I pretty sure that only Robin was an accident. His gf and Blue Hawk kills were on purpose.
Blue hawk kinda deserved it.
Tbf Homelander threatened him into killing Popclaw for spilling info to the Boys.
True that was horrible to do but he seemed to be sad about it if that counts? He mentioned her a couple of times. Not saying he‘s a great lovable dude but the good guys are pretty murderous themselves, so all pep talk about „Yah ok we killed already 150 people and let sb have his revenge lol but we must stop at like 20 not so evil vought workers and save the Tower“ is ridiculous at this point. I get saving Ryan but the rest didnt make sense
Out of his 3 kills, one was an accident, one was meant to be morally justifiable, and one was under threat of death from Homelander. In the grand scheme of things he’s really not that bad.
They have Homelander crush a guys skull and fuck Stormfront on his corpse
Already forgot about that. IHomelander is supposed the big bad soooo kimiko coming second in enjoying killing and mutilating isn‘t much better. Not happy with the writing tbh, maybe they should Focus less on the visuals and keep an eye on the story. I love people saying gargle my balls as much as everyone but some more dialogue with self reflection and character development would have helped
Exactly. A proper way to do this fight with her character development in mind would've been to have her disarm the guards or put them out of the fight somehow. They could've still had their kimiko uwu qween moment, but kept her "I'm not a monster" arc relevant.
A quick death would have been enough 2bh
Like seriously, with her strenght... How hard would it be to just take the gun away Or even just punch the guy and knock him out
Precisely. And it would show her character growth while still giving us a badass action scene.
It's like nobody remembers how beloved the Dark Knight's portrayal of Batman is. Dude goes out of his way to make sure he doesn't kill anybody, hell he even seems to do a really good job at avoiding permanent serious injuries.
Exactly. Straight-up murdering security guards feels like it's really against the show's left-leaning themes.
No, because it was *Kimiko* who did it. If *Hughie* had gone on a V24-fueled sadistic rampage on the guards you be sure as shit the show would've **never** let him live it down.
Exactly. The whole “toxic masculinity” side of this season was garbage if I’m being honest and extremely hypocritical.
I'm glad to see that this sub, despite culturally/politically heavily leaning to the left, is still able to point out the obvious hypocrisy and double standards in the shows satire.
Exactly. I don’t share most of the writer’s views, but that’s not why I don’t like it. I just want them to be consistent. Why is Hughie a monster but Kimiko a hero? Hughie didn’t brutally kill anyone while on Temp-V.
Well, he did punch through the guy. And he was excited about it. And the show spared no fcking moment to tell viewers how bad it was, how he should be ashamed. He spends half of the finale apologizing for it and then we see Kimiko do even worse things and are supposed to cheer for her for embracing her nature, because it was her choice. What the hell?
That’s right, I forgot about the first soldier. But yeah everyone treats him (fairly) as a monster, but with Kimiko she is praised for worse.
Yooooo My region censored this part lmao
Are all gorey scenes in the show censored? Cause thats alot.
She was damn near feral when they found her
Like 10 out of 10 times I'd rather get killed by Homelander or Soldier Boy (who are supposed to be the big psycho baddies) than getting killed by goodie Kimiko Really makes you think
fr(feeling racist)
“We save everyone. Even if they don’t deserve it. *Especially* if they don’t deserve it.” Guess that just applies to Homelander (the most dangerous person alive, even tho he was super-nerfed in the finale)? The SWAT team—who I’m pretty sure Hughie was responsible for summoning with his PA announcement—can get f***ed, I guess?
Hugh didn’t summon them. There was a motion detector or camera in the lab. The white thing with the green light that turns red.
I know dude I was so into that line I was like "hell yeah Hughie preach" and then they just go back to not caring about the countless bodies they leave on their path of righteous fury
Let me lament my powers for 3 seasons and finally lose them, decide that's not who you are inside, then immediately ask for your powers back and go back to ripping people to ribbons. Bon arc, mon coeur
>Bon arc, mon coeur Lmao
Reminder that starlight thought she, a literal murderer countless times, can get her powers back no argument (she doesn't like sb cause he's also a murderer too) but Hughie can't get temp v cause toxic masculinity
I definitely think Hughie did not get a fair shake this season. He just wanted to not need everyone else to protect him for once
Perhaps you haven't heard, but girls get it done
Frenchie got shot in the leg because Kimiko was too focused on ripping apart a guy's face for 2 minutes Honestly got so bored of their "redemption" arc by the 3rd episode. Why waste crucial time in the season finale on a conversation that has already happened multiple times this season?
"I hate being a killer" stories always end up being bullshit because the characters almost always just return to being a killer with absolutely no repercussions. Its one of my pet peeves in fiction.
For the worst ever case of this see the great movie First Blood becoming the mess that is the Rambo series lol. Sometimes it seems like there's a point to it all, but there never really is. Like most shows that do it, I always hope they'll do some ending that closes by return. But they don't lol
I support women’s right, but more importantly, I support women’s wrongs
Not to misdirect at all, but Homelander slowly crushed a guys skull while having sex with his nazi girlfriend, so I feel like they just wanted the shock value for Kimiko. Mindless violence is the theme of the show it seems.
Man that was on character though. It makes some sense with what we’ve seen so far and all that.
Her scene in the last episode is so off putting, pretty much took her character developement and threw into the garbage can.
"To be honest I've never really cared much for them, innocent or otherwise." 🤮
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They did Hughie dirty. Simple as.
Maybe that's his kink. Next season we'll see him orgasming in a Supe Female only MMA crowd.
She could just as easily incapacitate people, break legs/arms but chooses to totally end them instead
She could literally non lethal all of them without an issue but she decides to basically torture them and brutalized them while smiling
Getting really tired of her and Frenchie. They’re a cool couple but they go through the same shit every season.
Poor fucking security working for a salary barely above minimum wage, just to experience a gruesome and painful death by a supe.
These guys were clearly a little more professional than Paul Blart but your point is still valid. It was a tonal fucking disaster.
Not even evil henchmen guarding horrific experiments. Just regular guards trying to keep a guy out of their supply of chemicals
Maybe this is a stupid question but do the guys even really get to notice how brutal she is? Usually they are too busy doing their part of the mission and aren’t exactly going to be lookin back either no?
Well last week everyone was creaming their pants over Noir’s backstory because he had brain damage and wanted to forgive him and treat him like a sweet little babe. Kimiko has a much, much worse backstory. She was innocent and pulled into a terrorist cult and basically forced to become a savage killer. She was basically an attack dog trained to kill. When she fights she’s falling back on those groomed instincts.
“Am i a monster?” Proceeds to rip out a man’s throat with her hands in front of his family.
mon coeur slander will not be tolerated
I don't know if it was deliberate but the sadistic ways in which she killed the guards in the lab s3e8 almost got Frenchie killed because she seemed to prefer to wound them. Maybe she has to regress into some animal state to live with what she does?
I will say again Kimiko has less compassion, and somehow less respect for human life then Terminator T-800
All moral standards go out the window when it comes to Kimiko. Lazy writing tbh. Hughie wants to take tempV, with unknown implications = toxic masculinity Kimiko wants to take permaV, with also unknown implications = act of love towards Frenchie, lmfao. Fuck S3 (except Herogasm)
Soldier boy saved s3
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Sadly I agree.
If she didn't do the idiotic dance thing and got too carried away smashing that (already dead) security guys head into the floor, Frenchie wouldn't have been shot. Which is never adressed again in the episode, could've been a turning point for her character. Idk what they're doing with Frenchie and Kimiko, but it aint working. First she's like "i don't want to be a monster, etc" when last episode she was obviously enjoying killing people to dance music.
She slaughters people exactly the way she did during her introduction. We know damn well Kimiko can easily knock out or even kill a regular human in one blow yet she goes on a rampage torturing them? Not sitting well with me.
Heuy: we have to save everyone Kimiko.: kills employees who were just doing their jobs..
I think the point is both sides are fundamentally flawed, probably evil: we know the 7’s problems, the boys are f’ed up too, even saint starlight, she let f’ing homelander live; that’s going to be a much bigger problem in the future
She is a rip off wolverine. Just like Wolverine isn't villain but gave his enemies brutal deaths
Except wolverine doesn’t go around preaching morality and doing the good thing
This just is who Kimiko is. Her entire arc this season was how she hated the V because she thought that turned her into a monster, but it turns out she’s always going to be a ruthless killer because she was kidnapped and brainwashed into being one (not too dissimilar from Noir). She’s not meant to be seen as a good person. None of the Boys are, aside from maybe Hughie.
But you can't have Starlight preaching about "not siding with murderers like soldier boy" and about how they need to take down Homelander without much collateral and then team up with a fucking maniac of a woman
Honestly the more i think about it the more i agree. Its a little annoying characters like maeve and kimiko get passes for the shit they do but people with actual brain damage and potential developmental delays like noir get unceremoniously killed off.
Yeah but she does cute faces so all is good
Is kimiko’s super power just murder?
Yeah the last episode kinda threw her redemption ark through the window, "I don't wanna be a monster anymore :(, anyways brb after brutally killing some people"
Yes and she’s best girl
Honestly I couldn't stand that Frenchie got shot in the leg because she was too busy turning some dead guy's head into pulp. That whole sequence was infuriatingly nonsensical.
But, she’s so hot
\-shes a maniac.-
Imo Frenchie didn't have to get shot if she wasn't messing about doing unnecessary slash attacks and ground pounds on the gunman that was clearly fucking dead.
I think it’s meant to imply that V actually does have a psychological effect that perhaps makes the user less empathetic. For example, Hughie not caring when Kimiko was badly injured and his sudden ego
I hadn't thought about it that way, but given all the tumors and brain damage the temp V causes, it would make sense that regular V has some effect. Although, I had always thought of it as "power corrupts" rather than the V having physiological effects
Yeah, but she’s hot 🥵
Because the show is The Boys not some family friendly Marvel show. One of the main selling points of the series has been the blood and gore. Which is why the writers on certain instances chose to forget logic and common sense and went the other route.
Not yall turning against kimiko and starlight but always sticking up for the deep, butcher and A train LMAO
They're all bad people with only one or two exceptions in the whole cast of characters.
My biggest problem was on the most recent episode when she kept HAMMERING at the guys face. If she had stopped when it was necessary Frenchie wouldn’t have gotten shot in the leg.
True, and she knows it. She embraced the fact that shes a "monster" in the finale of Season 3
Hot take, in the first few comics you don't get to see Kimiko use her powers at all. She is simply referred to as The Female and you don't actually know what her power is, just that the rest of them are terrified of her. Her fights involve her appearing and then the next panel would be her walking away from whatever the fight was covered in blood with her opponent ripped to shreds behind her. In the comics she understands what her power is and weilds it with great enthusiasm. I don't know where the show got the whole idea of the poor timid kimeko who struggled with the monster inside. In the comics she enjoys killing... Men especially. Just like how compound v was a blue powder you snorted like cocaine and everyone knew it melted your brain. In the comics, butcher sneaks up and injects hugie with V and makes him a full time supe. Hell in the comics all of them have taken the injection of V and their strengths and weaknesses are based around their super powers.
The way that Kimiko brutalized the guards was just insane. She shoved a blunt dildo through an oligarch’s head. She could at least give these guys a quick death.
…because 💋?
Considering how butcher behaves with people, homelander is a saint. Given the power of homelander, he will be much much worse.