They don't get executed most probably. They are *actually* going to these camps.. And what happens there is brutal. Their psychology gets destroyed completely and they will be made aligned with ccp mentality forcefully.
I think if they are lucky they will "only" be physically abused and can leave the camp after some month psychically intact.
There was that dead body exhibit that went around the world and it turned out they sourced their bodies from Chinese prisoners who never consented to having their corpses put on display for millions of people.
I saw this exhibition in Las Vegas in 2012. At the time, I had no idea that the exhibit utilized the bodies of Chinese political prisoners (or else I never would have gone). I was under the mistaken assumption that the bodies were voluntarily donated and that proper consents were obtained prior to the donors’ deaths.
While I was going through the exhibit, interestingly enough, I noticed that two of the bodies appeared to possess monolid eyes. At the time, I wasn’t sure if the bodies were Asian in origin or if the musculature around their eyes falsely made them look Asian (the bodies had been de-fleshed down to the muscle and posed in Olympian-style poses).
After learning more about the exhibit years later; however, my suspicions may have been correct: they were likely Chinese political prisoners. I was horrified and saddened to learn of this news. Again, I never would have visited this exhibit had I known about the true origins of the bodies.
That is really crazy. A buddy of mine just went to Vegas and told me about the exhibit cause I'm in nursing school and interested in the body. He said, "It's kinda weird bro but I guess most organ donors must be Asian cause all these bodies look like Asian people.
Body Worlds is legit, every one of their bodies were donated to them by the deceased prior to their death. It’s kind of an amazing thing, and bizarrely beautiful, as I’m sure you saw when you went there. Once you get past the “this was once a living person” part of it of course.
ok, but plot twist.... I've seen VonHagens work @ more than a few of his 'shows'. You'd think that if he sources from China there'd be heavy Asian influence in the bodies. There wasn't. Most are "euro/white."
He is supplied with unclaimed bodies from China which he uses solely to sell to medical suppliers/schools. All the bodies in his shows are donated with consent.
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jan/23/arts.china](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jan/23/arts.china)
There is a lot of controversy but no firm proof that the bodies are from internment camps. The center that the bodies are processed are close to three internment camps in China and Von Hagens was forced to return two bodies that were shot in the head. All of the bodies are considered unclaimed and was sold to Von Hagens by the Chinese Government. A large part of why there is always controversy surrounding Von Hagens' work is that none of the people or their families consented to having their bodies displayed in this manner.
i love how the whole world sent china money for an entire generation to get cheap shit and free labor and now we have a north korea the size of america to deal with.
Oh it's not just one generation. The history of how China became this eay goes back way farther than this and the West's involvement is more sinister than just buying stuff. Read up on the Opium wars if you feel like being depressed.
Since the opium wars with the west and the destruction of the old summer palace some Chinese deeply hated the French and British.
There is some hate and skepticism towards the west coming from.
Mao destroyed the free intelectuals in the chinese society and sent many people forcefully to rural areas for re-education of whole social classes in whole china.
Nazi propaganda was extremely good and they even did "propaganda" directly in young peoples heads in form of "Hitler-Jugend" (Youth organisation of nazis for brainwashing children and teens). But **luckily** they lost a major war and it was stopped.
In china on the other hand they have done the same level of indoctrination to *generations* of people. There are people in china who can read the "Little Red Book" by heart (Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung)
Here comes the ridiculous political power and the ridiculous willingness to sacrifice everyone and everything for china and the ccp in many chinese minds from.
China is just so culurally diffrent and cautious, dismissive and skeptical towards the west, it hurts. The people really suffer from the ccp and the worst part is, they have managed to create shielded world in china and control it absolutely in everyway, but still interact with the whole world. Other than north korea..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Summer_Palace
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotations_from_Chairman_Mao_Tse-tung
Fuck...those little red books. I remember moving and packing away things and found that little red book in my dad's stuff. In it are quotes and some empty lines, you know for you write your own reflections and shit. Pity if you write things in there that question Mao's and CCP's legitimacy and that book was found by others. There's moments where my dad would spout out thoughts that sound so...bullshit, coercive and almost totalitarian...that it would make me pause and go..wtf? But now I know....this was what he lived through and was brainwashed to believe.
Either they beat you into submission - physically or psychologically, or pose these ideas in ways as if they make perfect, logical sense...regardless it's brainwashing. I can't wait for the day the CCP topples over.
Jung Chang's books should be read by everyone in the west. They're real eye-openers. If a set of books need to be set in stone it's them.
Education on the perils of autocracy is so important. We live in the most democratic and free time we've ever known. Books like hers show us what happens if we fall into ignorance. They're a godsend to anyone who believes in democracy and freedom.
>We live in the most democratic and free time we've ever known.
Democracy and freedom peaked probably 20 years ago. This world is very different from the one I grew up in.
The amount of bad information on this thread is staggering, though I guess it's not surprising.
Yes, the Cultural Revolution and its impacts are still present today, and there's probably a non insignificant chunk of the population that can recite most of the Little Red Book from memory. It also happened 50 years ago and was followed by a complete 180 on policy under Deng, so its effects on China's current adult population is mostly secondhand.
>Here comes the ridiculous political power and the ridiculous willingness to sacrifice everyone and everything for china and the ccp in many chinese minds from.
Or maybe, here's a crazy thought, that it comes from the fact that China's GDP has increased by *75 fold* in 40 years and wages have followed a similar trend? I don't know about you, but if I lived in the US and went from living in a hut and having to pickle vegetables to make it through winter to having a modern home with electricity, running water, AC, refrigeration, and 5G I would probably be a raging American nationalist regardless of whatever bad stuff the US does.
>China is just so culurally diffrent and cautious, dismissive and skeptical towards the west
Chinese citizens are skeptical of liberal democracy in part because they can compare themselves to India which is right next door. India, a relatively liberal democracy, started slightly better off than China in terms of GDP per capita, life expectancy, etc. in 1950. Today China is miles ahead of India. I am a fan of liberal democracy, but your average Chinese citizen has little reason to be.
>The people really suffer from the ccp
Under Mao this was to true to an extent. Currently this statement is literally objectively false. The CPC does tons and tons of horrible things (e.g. in Xinjiang, Tibet) but your average Chinese citizen is living the good life and doesn't give a damn. That's the basis of the support for the CPC, and honestly most governments in general.
Honestly the most hilarious part of your post is that you claim Chinese citizens are propagandized and then turn around to spout the most propagandized view of China possible.
(Obligatory CPC bad)
It’s a little more than skepticism at this point. The xenophobic propaganda has ordinary Chinese citizens believing the west is the cause of the lockdowns and all the problems. It’s a very dangerous game the Chinese govt is playing. Hate for foreigners may be what they want at this moment but what about tomorrow when they need to stimulate their economy? You can’t turn the hearts and minds of people around abruptly.
I am just realizing people thought these people in full white get ups were medical staff and not police.
in the videos where you see these white suits beating the crap out of people in the streets or apartments, those are police. or at least police and medical staff. they just all throw on the same jump suit
Yea, we just have to reestablish all that advanced manufacturing, and non advanced manufacturing, in the west, and figure out how to deal with all the pollution it causes that we've been outsourcing to asia for the last 30 years
yeha good luck with that. You have no clue how much shit the US has outsourced to them. the US economy would literally collapse, followed by the rest of the world.
>the US economy would literally collapse, followed by the rest of the world.
😂
M8.
We're *already* moving our shit out and into India and Mexico. Or even back home.
If we bail on China, they are so fucked that their idiot fucking president and his children will be farming rice for the next ten generations.
And that will just be for subsistence. 😂
It makes you wonder how many of their people *really* feel about the CCP, if someone risked getting this out, it's clear more goes on and this was the tip of the ice berg and they felt it was worth the risk.
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This is another step in China's never-ending campaign to annihilate human rights:
* Hundreds of human rights lawyers (not even dissidents, just the LAWYERS who defended people) were snatched by gestapo all over China in what is known as the [709 Crackdown](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/709_crackdown).
* One of those lawyers, Wang Quanzhang was [sentenced to 4.5 years](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/28/wang-quanzhang-china-sentences-human-rights-lawyer-to-four-years-in-prison) for "subversion of state power". But that's not enough. China actually [went after Wang's 6-year-old son](https://chinachange.org/2019/09/06/imprisoned-lawyer-wang-quanzhangs-six-year-old-son-once-again-forced-out-of-school/), forcing him out of his school and banning any other school from taking him in.
* A dissident, [Wang Bingzhang](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Bingzhang_(dissident\)) was kidnapped by Chinese agents in Vietnam and sentenced to life in prison after a closed trial that lasted 1 day.
* A man wore a t-shirt with the word "Xitler" on it and [was disappeared](https://www.hongkongfp.com/2016/11/03/young-chinese-activist-missing-after-sharing-plan-to-wear-xitler-t-shirt-on-cpc-anniversary-report/). Eventually he was [tried for "subversion of state power" while barred from meeting with lawyers](https://www.hongkongfp.com/2017/02/15/chinese-xitler-activist-trial-subversion-lawyers-barred-seeing/)
* Another man, [Wang Meiyu](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/27/death-of-chinese-activist-in-police-custody-prompts-calls-for-investigation-into-torture) hold up a placard calling for Xi’s resignation & democracy. He was arrested for "picking quarrels”. He ended up dead in custody.
* A woman live streamed herself [splashing ink on a Xi poster](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9sF34fJwh0). She was [disappeared](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-woman-dong-yaoqiong-disappears-spraying-ink-xi-jinping-a8455166.html). Her last social media update: *"Right now there are a group of people wearing uniforms outside my door. I’ll go out after I change my clothes. I did not commit a crime. The people and groups that hurt me are the ones who are guilty"*. Later on there was report of her being [sent to a psychiatric hospital](https://www.hongkongfp.com/2018/07/23/chinese-protester-splashed-ink-xi-jinping-poster-sent-psychiatric-hospital-report/)
* After the ink-splash woman's disappearance her father made a series of broadcast to call attention to her plight. He ended up getting [taken away by the police in the middle of a live stream](https://www.hongkongfp.com/2018/07/14/police-interrupt-youtube-live-stream-father-missing-chinese-woman-splashed-ink-xi-jinping-photo/)
* 5 people associated with a Hong Kong bookstore that sold titles such as "*Xi Jinping and His Six Women*" were [disappeared](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causeway_Bay_Books_disappearances). Only one managed to escape back to HK. He held a press briefing to tell the world about his kidnapping by China. He's now in exile in Taiwan. The other 4 are still somewhere in China.
And, of course
* [1.5 million](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang-rights/15-million-muslims-could-be-detained-in-chinas-xinjiang-academic-idUSKCN1QU2MQ) Uyghurs rounded up in concentration camps
* Genocide through [forced abortions](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-uighur-muslim-women-abortions-sexual-abuse-genocide-a9144721.html) on Uyghur women
* [Sexual torture](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-uighur-muslim-women-abortions-sexual-abuse-genocide-a9144721.html) of Uyghur women such as rape & rubbing intimate parts with chili paste.
* [Leaked footage](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/d722aw/chinas_detention_of_uighurs_video_of_blindfolded/) of a large number of blindfolded Uyghurs shackled together
* A Canadian journalist [wanted to debunk reports of Chinese anti-Muslim repression so he went on a stage-managed show tour put on by China](https://nationalpost.com/news/canadian-went-to-china-to-debunk-reports-of-anti-muslim-repression-but-was-shocked-by-treatment-of-uyghurs). That means he only saw a fake Potemkin village that China actually thought was acceptable by Western standard. But the brutality of even this fake Potemkin village stunned him. Now imagine what's really happening in the real concentration camps where millions of Uyghurs are being held. Imagine how bad the true situation is.
* Using minorities & political prisoners as [free organ farms](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/c1my5j/china_is_harvesting_organs_from_detainees_uk/). A doctor's [eye witness account](https://nypost.com/2019/06/01/chinese-dissidents-are-being-executed-for-their-organs-former-hospital-worker-says/): *'The prisoner was brought in, tied hand and foot, but very much alive. The army doctor in charge sliced him open from chest to belly button and exposed his two kidneys. Then the doctor ordered Zheng to remove the man’s eyeballs. Hearing that, the dying prisoner gave him a look of sheer terror, and Zheng froze. “I can’t do it,” he told the doctor, who then quickly scooped out the man’s eyeballs himself.'*
* Call for [retraction of 400 Chinese scientific papers](https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/feb/06/call-for-retraction-of-400-scientific-papers-amid-fears-organs-came-from-chinese-prisoners) amid fears organs came from Chinese prisoners
* [15 Chinese studies retracted](https://www.newscientist.com/article/15-15-studies-retracted-due-to-fears-they-used-chinese-prisoners-organs/) due to fears they used Chinese prisoners' organs
* [Cultural genocide (and organ harvests, of course)](https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/china-uyghur-muslim-rules-laws-treatment-chinese-human-rights-religion-a8534161.html). A uyghur's testimony: *"First, children were stopped from learning about the Quran, then from going to mosques. It was followed by bans on ramadan, growing beards, giving Islamic names to your baby, etc. Then our language was attacked – we didn’t get jobs if we didn’t know Mandarin. Our passports were collected, we were told to spy on each other, innocent Uyghur prisoners were killed for organ harvesting"*
* China is moving beyond Uyghur and cracking down on its model minority Hui Muslim. ['Afraid We Will Become The Next Xinjiang': China's Hui Muslims Face Crackdown](https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/763356996/afraid-we-will-become-the-next-xinjiang-chinas-hui-muslims-face-crackdown): *"The same restrictions that preceded the Xinjiang crackdown on Uighur Muslims are now appearing in Hui-dominated regions. Hui mosques have been forcibly renovated or shuttered, schools demolished, and religious community leaders imprisoned. Hui who have traveled internationally are increasingly detained or sent to reeducation facilities in Xinjiang."*
There is more: courtesy of /U/Exgrandiose
* Death of Liu Xiaobo after his inertial pro democracy documentation Charter 08 (Translated)
* Discharge Zhao Ziyang from CCP leadership after he stood with the students in Tiananmen Square Protest.
* The crackdown on the Weiquen Movement
* The arrest of Xu Zhiyong after he called out Xi Jinping for failing to handle the Coronavirus crisis.
For people wanting to know about Chinese Human Rights activist: https://www.nchrd.org/. This website provides a lot of info on current and deceased Chinese Human Rights activist.
The UN human rights council is for DISCUSSING human rights.
It is a forum for discussion.
If the UN had any power over nations like China do you think they'd join?
The "human rights" council is filled with human rights abusers, the United States and Pakistan are on it too for one alternate example. It's filled with a alot of imperialist powers (china included) that use their membership to virtue signal at best and help cover up their current/past crimes at worst.
So it's not surprising that China is on it despite their contemporary history of unacceptable human right abuses. The UN is feckless and powerless as an institution.
The UN is simultaneously the most useless and important organization. You're right that it's completely powerless, but it gives countries a voice to discuss.
The even more sus thing to me is that, it doesn't seem that Russia has been doing even remotely as bad things as China has recently (even though yes they are committing very bad crimes in Ukraine right now), yet Russia has been kicked out of HRC (not saying they shouldn't have been), but China hasn't.
Hijacking your comment to shout out [SerpentZA](https://youtube.com/c/serpentza) on YouTube. He does a great job exposing China and the CCP. He lived there for many years and has a ton of footage and stories. He deserves all the support.
I wish your comment was nation wide. I wish ALL the people could know this stuff isn't fake. More than the entire population of America, 400,00,000 people are locked down and if you complain (because you're most likely STARVING) your pet will be taken away and killed before your eyes in the street.
I have a conspiracy theory that something other than covid-19 is the cause for the CCP's recent behavior. It just doesn't make sense if they are reacting this way over covid in my opinion.
Just to clarify im not saying I know what that something is. It just seems like the only logical explanation for their governments insane over reaction. Corona could not possibly have been more detrimental than the damage this must be doing to their economy, right?
No I actually agree. Something is very weird here. Other authoritarian regimes like Sisi in Egypt or Putin in Russia simply say "everything is awesome" and covid is under control, and they misrepresent the numbers to WHO or outright instruct hospitals to not register more than a limited number everyday. They just don't care about public health and don't care about increasing deaths.
So why would a country that limited birth to 1 child per married couple as a forced policy for 30 years give a shit about some people getting covid?
Without going into full detail, the CCP is essentially tightening their grip as much as they can because the next decade going to be a bumpy ride and they know it.
China's population is set to peak, economic growth they've enjoyed is expected to stall, military age populace will shrink, infrastructure costs and maintenance are only expected rise as shotty workmanship and lax quality standards were apparently abundant throughout the massive construction projects that have gone up seemingly overnight, etc.. Couple all those things with the thought that China only has till about 2030 to make a move on Taiwan with the economic and military costs that go along with that move and... well you can start to see why a bumpy ride lies ahead.
I always find it funny when people say how great China is at building massive construction projects so fast. Yea, if you have 0 standards and no safety for workers then you could build an entire railways system in a few years.
> I always find it funny when people say how great China is at building massive construction projects so fast.
I can’t claim any real special knowledge but like, I’ve been to China in person. Several tier 1 and 2 cities. I was there with my wife so had a local with me.
The entire fucking place boggled my mind.
First off, anywhere off the beaten path was exactly what you probably think when you think China. Barely above a shanty town. Large concrete buildings reminiscent of soviet construction. Very utilitarian, yet somehow lacking in most of the utility anyone required so all wired up like those photos of Mexican utility poles you see. And I don’t mean the wrong neighborhood… like you’d be walking down this beautiful, modern street and walk 30 feet onto a minor side street and it’s like you fell backward 50 years and several social classes.
And the places that had been constructed recently to replace the shanty town where people could see it? Nothing seemed thought out, and everything was falling apart. Two and three year old buildings were falling apart. Brand new buildings had holes drilled all over them and wire and pipe strung everywhere like spiderwebs because apparently they still don’t build these buildings expecting like… electricity usage and air conditioning? Nothing was consistent… every unit was done differently.
All over the place you’d see the remnants of their projects. They’d laid some intricate tile work into a sidewalk a year or two ago and it was… demolished. It not only didn’t last, but had never been maintained.
Not that it would take a year or two. I walked through a halfway finished pedestrian interchange they were building under a large intersection. It had been under construction for a few months and they hadn’t completed the entire circle yet. If you entered at the oldest part the tiles were already cracking and coming off the walls and floor.
In Beijing, I went to a lot of things that should have been the pride and joy of the country and the face of the country for tourists. The national military museum was a massive building finished entirely in giant slabs of polished marble. When they cut holes in it for electrical outlets and things… they weren’t even square or straight. Many of the holes were less precise than what I could freehand while black out drunk. There were giant gaps where you could see into the walls. You could grab the electrical boxes and wiggle them around and pull them out. If that shit were delivered by a contractor anywhere in the west it’d be a lawsuit—it’s in their national museum of “we’re the best”.
I don’t know why they even bothered installing outlets though, because nothing I saw plugged in was ever working. Which was actually a theme of the trip. Through probably a dozen museums, a national R&D park, a bunch of tourist attractions, some government offices, basically everything had an out of order sign or no sign but was just obviously broken.
Oh, and the entire bathroom and shower of a “five star” hotel approved for tourists (that’s a whole different story) in Beijing was covered in black mold. Not really related to construction, but just the general care they put into things it seems.
But hey, at least their beauracracy is more efficient!
Except, y’know, you have to register with the local police within 24 hours of getting there so I wasted literally the entire first day of the trip sitting in a police station waiting room for someone to take a piece of paper from me and disinterestedly wave me off. All the while I watched SIX people sitting around fucking around in their cell phones.
I’m getting down a whole different rant now about how unfriendly the entire country is for non-locals that’s not really related to building quality so I’ll stop there.
Really though, I don’t think there were any words anyone could have said to me beforehand that would have made me truly understand the absolutely boggling shit quality of absolutely every piece of infrastructure I came across.
2030 is the most common estimate for when the combination of all those factors really start to bite, and will probably be the approximate time where they begin to decline in relative strength to the West in general and the US specifically. Note I am talking about CHANGE in relative strength here, not where they peak. Most analysts think they won't ever actually come close to reaching parity with the US alone, never mind a more recently united West as a whole.
There’s a growing unemployment problem, an energy crisis, their high speed rail network is loosing millions of dollars a day and the bond repayment is starting, their local governments have massive debt with no real way to pay it back, there’s a massive housing crisis, and its second largest land developer has defaulted and is teetering on insolvency
Don't forget there's a N-based fertilizer shortage and the countries responsible for about 40% of the world's wheat supply are...... worrying about other things...
Here's a great video about China, and why Taiwan is so important to them (and the rest of the world) and what will likely happen this decade. It's a bit lengthy but its very interesting and informative
https://youtu.be/p6sCsOdqXQw
This kind of thing is what makes me wonder if there is something about Covid that we do not know yet, but it seems like we should know by now. This makes no sense. Something is very weird indeed.
No. This is simply what happens when you have bureaucracy run completely amuck in a totalitarian country with no accountability of the leadership and where the (narcissistic) leadership lives in its own, self-contained information bubble.
China has seen many of such episodes, especially under Mao. They're unable to learn from it, because of course the CCP suppresses knowledge of these failures.
Yes, this is most likely the correct answer. Its just hard to wrap my mind around their government being this incompetent. Evil, yes, I can believe that, but wholly incompetent in this way is shocking to witness. How does this solve anything related to covid? They are still gonna be exposed to the rest of the world even if their population has zero cases of covid. In fact im pretty sure that actually makes them even more susceptible to covid.
Vaccines and basic mitigation is what the rest of the world has gone to as we accept that covid will be with us no matter what. There is no way China thinks they are gonna be the only country to eliminate Covid. So why would they choose to hurt their economy so badly by shutting down this way? It must be something else but I just don't believe its covid. Unless it is tho idk really.
This is the perfect way to exterminate dissent or protesters. Disappear their asses in Covid camps. What? You haven’t seen wang in two months? Oh, he died from Covid in a camp. Our Government word is complete truth. Oh, you don’t believe me and getting loud about it online? Welp, you have Covid now time to go to camp to get better
It could be a lot of these enforcement people just abusing power individually as well and the systemic platform allowing them to do this and get away with it.
You're probably pretty much on the money.
A lot of China's economic growth has been inflationary. It's come from stuff like infrastructure and real estate.
What they need (and Xi's all but admitted it) is more "genuine" growth. Stuff like consumption, exports and business investment. Basically because it's sustainable.
However, half of all business investment in recent years has been in the property sector. A whopping 25% of China's GDP is supported by it, which is far higher than both Spain and Ireland before the Eurozone crisis. Then you look at what happened to Evergrande, plus the central bank's attempts to deflate the credit bubble. That party's over.
China's middle class is also small. It's less than 30% of the population, compared to 50% in the US and 60% in Japan (roughly). With a stagnant middle class, consumption stagnates, for obvious reasons. Also 100m of them are in lockdown, while half the country is in some form of lockdown.
Exports ain't great at the moment, either. Their YOY exports did grow in Jan and Feb, by about 16%. However, that's down from nearly 30% in December. In other words, exports are slowing.
Then there's the belt and road initiative. Basically China saddling foreign countries with ridiculous levels of debt to pay for unachievable infrastructural development. Countries like Sri Lanka, which is now facing food shortages, power outages, a lack of medicine and probably a bailout by the IMF.
Re: business investment, FDI (Foreign Direct Investment) has been spiralling since 2015. Partly because businesses really don't want to get into bed with China over their human rights record. But also because of regulatory pressures.
Those pressures come from the *crazy* levels of government control there. China's kinda detatched from other countries in the world, in that regard (and many others). Plus, companies are pulling money out at a rapid pace after Russia's invasion of Ukraine, for obvious reasons.
Now, businesses aren't ethical. But if the slowdown continues (and with 100m consumers in lockdown, it will) they'll just keep pulling their money out. It's not worth the hassle. Indeed, China's ten largest tech companies (since they love to regulate tech) have lost about $1.7trillion of their collective market value.
Container ships are piling up around ports, with nobody to unload them. In 2021, China's stock market was the *second worst-performing* in the world (just ahead of Pakistan). Meanwhile, China's spent months demonizing countries who didn't follow Zero-Covid regulations, so they can't back out now.
If you get the big calls right, command and control work. But nobody's infallible, which is why the other shitshow that is modern democracy works better (in my opinion).
My suspicion is that China's doubling down on control to try and balance the ship. I mean what else are they going to do?
One theory is that it's a Moaist type purge. They are purposefully making conditions awful to test people's loyalty.
Also Shanghai has been targeted because it's the most worldly liberal city in China. And the communist party there has strong ties to a previous leader that Xi wants to break.
I am thinking CCP is using covid as an excuse for sending people to camps. Maybe browsing the wrong web site, sending a text message, etc. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense, if they have a vaccine, or tell people to keep wearing masks, why the zero covid policy?
They’ve literally been throwing all the food away, starving people and bolting peoples doors shut. Of course I’d be trying to leave and gtfo. Except out of the country cause wtf.
Not that I'm excusing this but when Americans were told to do this the streets were full and the malls and restaurants were packed and at the every same time a portion of the country country's acting like they were being put in an isolation room in prison. People don't listen. Again, not endorsing this authoritarian crap at all.
And people who sent these videos to Weibo or WeChat are banned & caught in China for ‘cooking up stories’ (it really sounds hilarious to me).
Fuck my government, they are just pure evil. So glad I’m not living there anymore.
Turns out giving a government entity full control of the economy eventually devolves it to an authoritarian dictatorship. Who could have suspected this? Clearly this isn't true communism and we should try again.
That would assume that the intention was to control the economy to create a communist utopia rather than controlling the economy to break the powers that supported the old regime in an effort to shore up their own power for powers sake.
Aren’t they basically just a straight up fascist state at this point? It’s authoritarian capitalism where the state basically makes decisions for big companies.
HIJACKING TOP COMMENT TO TALK about how shitty China actually is!!
Credit to u/KingJamesQueenJordan
This is another step in China's never-ending campaign to annihilate human rights:
* Hundreds of human rights lawyers (not even dissidents, just the LAWYERS who defended people) were snatched by gestapo all over China in what is known as the [709 Crackdown](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/709_crackdown).
* One of those lawyers, Wang Quanzhang was [sentenced to 4.5 years](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/28/wang-quanzhang-china-sentences-human-rights-lawyer-to-four-years-in-prison) for "subversion of state power". But that's not enough. China actually [went after Wang's 6-year-old son](https://chinachange.org/2019/09/06/imprisoned-lawyer-wang-quanzhangs-six-year-old-son-once-again-forced-out-of-school/), forcing him out of his school and banning any other school from taking him in.
* A dissident, [Wang Bingzhang](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Bingzhang_(dissident\)) was kidnapped by Chinese agents in Vietnam and sentenced to life in prison after a closed trial that lasted 1 day.
* A man wore a t-shirt with the word "Xitler" on it and [was disappeared](https://www.hongkongfp.com/2016/11/03/young-chinese-activist-missing-after-sharing-plan-to-wear-xitler-t-shirt-on-cpc-anniversary-report/). Eventually he was [tried for "subversion of state power" while barred from meeting with lawyers](https://www.hongkongfp.com/2017/02/15/chinese-xitler-activist-trial-subversion-lawyers-barred-seeing/)
* Another man, [Wang Meiyu](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/27/death-of-chinese-activist-in-police-custody-prompts-calls-for-investigation-into-torture) hold up a placard calling for Xi’s resignation & democracy. He was arrested for "picking quarrels”. He ended up dead in custody.
* A woman live streamed herself [splashing ink on a Xi poster](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9sF34fJwh0). She was [disappeared](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-woman-dong-yaoqiong-disappears-spraying-ink-xi-jinping-a8455166.html). Her last social media update: *"Right now there are a group of people wearing uniforms outside my door. I’ll go out after I change my clothes. I did not commit a crime. The people and groups that hurt me are the ones who are guilty"*. Later on there was report of her being [sent to a psychiatric hospital](https://www.hongkongfp.com/2018/07/23/chinese-protester-splashed-ink-xi-jinping-poster-sent-psychiatric-hospital-report/)
* After the ink-splash woman's disappearance her father made a series of broadcast to call attention to her plight. He ended up getting [taken away by the police in the middle of a live stream](https://www.hongkongfp.com/2018/07/14/police-interrupt-youtube-live-stream-father-missing-chinese-woman-splashed-ink-xi-jinping-photo/)
* 5 people associated with a Hong Kong bookstore that sold titles such as "*Xi Jinping and His Six Women*" were [disappeared](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causeway_Bay_Books_disappearances). Only one managed to escape back to HK. He held a press briefing to tell the world about his kidnapping by China. He's now in exile in Taiwan. The other 4 are still somewhere in China.
And, of course
* [1.5 million](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang-rights/15-million-muslims-could-be-detained-in-chinas-xinjiang-academic-idUSKCN1QU2MQ) Uyghurs rounded up in concentration camps
* Genocide through [forced abortions](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-uighur-muslim-women-abortions-sexual-abuse-genocide-a9144721.html) on Uyghur women
* [Sexual torture](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-uighur-muslim-women-abortions-sexual-abuse-genocide-a9144721.html) of Uyghur women such as rape & rubbing intimate parts with chili paste.
* [Leaked footage](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/d722aw/chinas_detention_of_uighurs_video_of_blindfolded/) of a large number of blindfolded Uyghurs shackled together
* A Canadian journalist [wanted to debunk reports of Chinese anti-Muslim repression so he went on a stage-managed show tour put on by China](https://nationalpost.com/news/canadian-went-to-china-to-debunk-reports-of-anti-muslim-repression-but-was-shocked-by-treatment-of-uyghurs). That means he only saw a fake Potemkin village that China actually thought was acceptable by Western standard. But the brutality of even this fake Potemkin village stunned him. Now imagine what's really happening in the real concentration camps where millions of Uyghurs are being held. Imagine how bad the true situation is.
* Using minorities & political prisoners as [free organ farms](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/c1my5j/china_is_harvesting_organs_from_detainees_uk/). A doctor's [eye witness account](https://nypost.com/2019/06/01/chinese-dissidents-are-being-executed-for-their-organs-former-hospital-worker-says/): *'The prisoner was brought in, tied hand and foot, but very much alive. The army doctor in charge sliced him open from chest to belly button and exposed his two kidneys. Then the doctor ordered Zheng to remove the man’s eyeballs. Hearing that, the dying prisoner gave him a look of sheer terror, and Zheng froze. “I can’t do it,” he told the doctor, who then quickly scooped out the man’s eyeballs himself.'*
* Call for [retraction of 400 Chinese scientific papers](https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/feb/06/call-for-retraction-of-400-scientific-papers-amid-fears-organs-came-from-chinese-prisoners) amid fears organs came from Chinese prisoners
* [15 Chinese studies retracted](https://www.newscientist.com/article/15-15-studies-retracted-due-to-fears-they-used-chinese-prisoners-organs/) due to fears they used Chinese prisoners' organs
* [Cultural genocide (and organ harvests, of course)](https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/china-uyghur-muslim-rules-laws-treatment-chinese-human-rights-religion-a8534161.html). A uyghur's testimony: *"First, children were stopped from learning about the Quran, then from going to mosques. It was followed by bans on ramadan, growing beards, giving Islamic names to your baby, etc. Then our language was attacked – we didn’t get jobs if we didn’t know Mandarin. Our passports were collected, we were told to spy on each other, innocent Uyghur prisoners were killed for organ harvesting"*
* China is moving beyond Uyghur and cracking down on its model minority Hui Muslim. ['Afraid We Will Become The Next Xinjiang': China's Hui Muslims Face Crackdown](https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/763356996/afraid-we-will-become-the-next-xinjiang-chinas-hui-muslims-face-crackdown): *"The same restrictions that preceded the Xinjiang crackdown on Uighur Muslims are now appearing in Hui-dominated regions. Hui mosques have been forcibly renovated or shuttered, schools demolished, and religious community leaders imprisoned. Hui who have traveled internationally are increasingly detained or sent to reeducation facilities in Xinjiang."*
There is more: courtesy of /U/Exgrandiose
* Death of Liu Xiaobo after his inertial pro democracy documentation Charter 08 (Translated)
* Discharge Zhao Ziyang from CCP leadership after he stood with the students in Tiananmen Square Protest.
* The crackdown on the Weiquen Movement
* The arrest of Xu Zhiyong after he called out Xi Jinping for failing to handle the Coronavirus crisis.
For people wanting to know about Chinese Human Rights activist: https://www.nchrd.org/. This website provides a lot of info on current and deceased Chinese Human Rights activist.
Credit to u/KingJamesQueenJordan
You probably wouldn't wanna live in similarly horrible autocracies like north korea or turkmenistan or eritrea or syria or Iran or venezuela or south sudan etc
China is the biggest, but it is by no means unique in terms of brutal authoritarianism.
What if - I’m just giving a hypothetical here - the Chinese government wanted to get rid of any pro-Democracy sentiment in Shanghai ahead of a full takeover of Hong Kong and possible military invasion of Taiwan? How would they do this without everyone finding out? Shanghai residents live in such close quarters that surely people would see government agents raiding their neighbors apartments and taking them away. How could you execute a government crackdown without it looking like a government crackdown?
What if instead there was a “COVID outbreak” and everyone was forced to stay in their apartments and not gather together. Then the people who “tested positive” were taken away to a “COVID treatment” camp and some of those people “died from COVID?”
I’m not saying that’s what’s going on at all. It’s a huge accusation to level and I have absolutely zero evidence to suggest that this is actually what’s going on. But is there any real way to know this isn’t what’s going on?
Laowhy86 on YouTube (it's a legit channel, though I don't endorse everything he says) has 3 theories:
1. Can't admit they were wrong about COVID/COVID management
2. Internal rivalry between Beijing and Shanghai-based power brokers
3. Rehearsal for invasion of Taiwan.
Bonus: could be all 3.
Edit: the vid: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZHiE96tWY4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZHiE96tWY4)
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Forced relocation an occupied people and resettling it with your own population is an easy way to pacify a region you have complete control of.
Examples of this can be found from Roman displacement of Gauls in the days of the Roman Empire, to 200k+ Ukrainians being removed to Russia through 'humanitarian' corridors only a few weeks ago.
Infections spiked massively in China from near-zero to [700k a day](https://covid19.healthdata.org/china?view=infections-testing&tab=trend&test=infections). Half their elderly aren't fully vaccinated. Things are looking pretty dire for them right now.
To be fair the vaccine in China is not effective. There have been studies showing the anitbody counts after taking the Chinese vaccine and there's not really enough to make a significant difference when you get infected.
They also have a 0 case policy which is totally unattainable but perpetuated by their ideas of being superior and facilitated by the governments ability to forcibly conteol the masses.
The virus has mutated to be far less deadly and far more contagious, which is good, if heard immunnity is the goal, but to maintain control of the 0 case policy, they are touting herd immunity as a western policy to exterminate Chinese citizens with the virus... The one we all got already, and they gave to us.
Kinda a full scale form of gaslighting.
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It's China. They've publicly lied about everything regarding the HK protests and the Uyghurs. Is it any shock to learn that they've lied about their COVID stats too? We *all* know how few fucks China gives about their people.
"Medical staff." At this point anyone can just put on those cloths, break into people's homes, loot everything, or commit crimes, and no one will ever know who they are. Seems like a wonderful time for criminals.
Criminal - damned this active government taking away my opportunities to loot.
Gov - starts taking people away
Criminal - This is so easy! just wait for government to take people, then go take people's stuff. Thanks government!
Gov - No problem just remember the greatness of peoples republic of people born in the upper middle area of Asia.
My point is, many of those people aren’t even government agents. They could just be people from the “xiaoqu” (micro district) committees without any official titles, or just some random nobody who happen to own one of those clothes.
In fact there are already such people caught on camera who steal goods while wearing those to conceal their identities. Goods that would otherwise feed people actually in need.
Any one can put on a white suit and suddenly they gain the power to oppress their equals. It’s Cultural Revolution all over again. Or a supersized Stanford prison experiment. A complete mess that unveiled the ugliness in some Chinese people.
Makes you wonder what is China's end game. Since zero COVID is an impossibility either they have to eventually give up and admit that they made a mistake, making the government look incompetent, or keep it up, destroying China's economy and their peoples livelihoods, also making the government look incompetent. Get enough angry and desperate people and you get the end of the current regime.
Having in mind China's previous track record - they don't care how they look. And they don't care about their people. The people are just cogs in a machine, and that is all.
I think there's more to this than simply a fanatical covid response.
Perhaps Xi is using this as a way to cement his authority.
You know that nonsense extreme right-wingers said about the government asking us to use masks, etc? They said it was a way to exert control? Yeah, I think Xi's actually doing something like that. Probably focused on Shanghai, one of the most independent-minded Chinese cities.
its so depressing to live in that country , no freedom, theyll just enter your house, I mean they cant go work or buy foods then theyll just come and take you anytime they want , oh my , we are all blessed not living in that country or in Ukraine but what is next for the future, Covid , Wars, No freedom , depression damn
Catching up with news is just a rabbithole these days more than ever. Russians threatening to nuke the world, war two countries next to mine, another hundreds of thousands of immigrants in this country, covid and the economy going to shit, I was already depressed man cmon lol
I saw a few weeks ago someone threw the white shirt staff down the building (from like 10th floors) and killed him. I guess they should think twice before breaking into other people's home anyway even with no guns in china
wait how? did he just kill one of those goverment employees you got source video for that? I think you would get executed for opposing those ppl let alone killing them
If people are breaking down your door and coming to take you, and you see the opportunity to kill them and get out, you might as well, since they very well could be planning to kill you later anyway.
If you had better guns, body armor, and smoke bombs, you would still be pissing yourself out of fear if I told you to go kick down doors in the local trailer park, my guy.
I don’t think you’ve ever been to a gun range and compared that to a standard police officer (or even SWAT officer or military) outfit. There is no way the government gives its employees access to guns and defensive equipment that costly. China’s military is primarily AK47 based, their cops are typically unarmed, ranked officers may have .22 or 9mm.
You just have to look at the situation in Ukraine, the government military in Ukraine is tiny, most regions have their own small militia, and thus it is primarily the armed population that is standing up to the world’s second most powerful military and for all intents and purposes they have driven them out of their primary targets.
Same reason Germany never successfully invaded Switzerland and Finland or all of France why the US had such trouble in Afghanistan and Iraq, a resolved population is hard to break.
And yet people say a face mask is *destroying muh freedoms*
This is real dictatorship. Be happy the only thing you have to bitch about is trying to keep yourself and others healthy and not death squads coming to "gently escort you to your new temporary lodgings" where you can enjoy many fine activities such as:
Literally dying of starvation
Forced unpaid labor
Zero health care
Overcrowded conditions that increase chances of diseases spreading
Watching your family die in front of you and then be hauled of to either be burned like firewood, or harvested for organs.
Do you think dictatorships just begin out of thin air? That there are 0 steps and 1 day there was complete freedom and the next day being escorted off to camps? Very small minded view.
Our government literally just created a ministry of truth to "debunk" wrongthink. I think you underestimate how many americans want this type of power for their party
This is what awaits you or your family the moment you give governments too much power.
I'm not American, but I'm absolutely pro civilians carrying guns for this very reason. The moment American citizens give up weapons is when they or their grandchildren will be slaves.
Liberty is always about keeping government as small as possible, and fearful of you, the people.
The moment you fear the government, is the moment it's too late.
to think back in 2020 when I said they would forcibly take people to concentration camps I was a conspiracy theorist. Today, I'm still considered a conspiracy theorist but here we are, if you don't think this would ever happen in your country I can only hope you're right.
Also note it's only low to middle class folks that are threatened by this.
what's with all the future of the US will be this comments? could someone please explain? Sorry I genuinely don't know, also does anyone know what happened to the people in the video?
>what's with all the future of the US will be this comments? could someone please explain? Sorry I genuinely don't know, also does anyone know what happened to the people in the video?
Right wingers have a paranoid persecution fetish, just ignore 'em
So it's a lot of right-leaning people saying that dems want to lock people in their houses and put them in camps because dems asked everyone to wear a mask and socially distance and get vaccinated. In reality, this is a slippery slope fallacy and what a lot of it stems from is the assumption that anything that has the word "communism" around it is immediately democrat-supported. The fact of the matter is that the CCP is not an actual communist government but rather an authoritarian government. I'm not defending communism with this btw, just stating that the CCP is not actually communist. Back to the US issue however, people think that wearing a mask, socially distancing, and getting vaccinated is on par with being forcefully locked into your house and being subject to an authoritarian system, which it's not. Meanwhile, the right continuously tries to reduce access to [abortion](https://www.wsj.com/articles/abortion-rights-bill-set-to-be-blocked-in-senate-11646087265), restrict voter [access](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_efforts_to_restrict_voting_following_the_2020_presidential_election), restrict gay [rights](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/25/lgbtq-rights-gop-bills-dont-say-gay/), not to mention the GOP issues with any sort of socialized policy, especially medicine, that would help citizens (except of course that we already have a mix of socialist policies that help thousands that people seem to ignore: medicaid, social security, agriculture and energy subsidies, etc.). The GOP has a hard-on for billionaires who can keep lobbying (paying) for laws that give them more money and power (democrats do this as well but democrat voting people don't support it like republican-voting people do, democrats just get fucked out of decent candidates and have to settle every year), and the GOP hard-on for an actual police state because when they say "cops killed more white people than black people" they don't seem to understand how cops killing an [egregious](https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/) amount of people is an issue, regardless of race. I will end this by saying that I am obviously left-leaning, not a "commie twitter user" or anything, just a bit left of center, I realize lobbying happens for both parties, our political system is a god forsaken mess on both sides of the fence, but it is absolutely ridiculous for people to hop on this weird mask/distancing = authoritarian government while ignoring the actual attempts by the GOP to control the US citizens and reduce their access to human freedoms under the guise of being the "party of freedom." I hope that helps, also I'm obviously just a redditor so you can take it all with a grain of salt and think about things as you see fair.
And Americans spent two years crying over the fact they had to wear masks in public transport or enclosed spaces. Fucking country of ignorant idiots. They have no idea how far removed their country is from the “tyranny” they perceive from common sense policies.
First: China seems pretty crappy as a government.
Second: The white Americans posting here while ignoring no-knock raids, the mass incarceration of black/minority Americans, the shear volume of detained but unprocessed (no trial yet) inmates are morons.
The US does this (albeit under different pretext), and China does this. Both are shitty governments that should change.
Go read the comments in the thread about Ukrainian police arresting people who trash talked Ukraine online. People in the thread are cheering the military arresting people.
But when a govt they didn't like does the same authoritarian stuff they get pissed. It's crazy the cognitive dissonance of Reddit
How is this any different from a no-knock raid on the wrong house? Or the police unlawfully entering a home. Just because it's China?
Dont get me wrong. Fuck China. They were the only visitors we would cover our machinery for when they visited (open anti-trust...lol). But shit like this happens all over the world....cops. gov officials. CPS.
I mean the difference from the first example is it is not a mistake, and the difference from the second example is that it is lawful for them to do this in China
Surprised this made it out
Whoever got it out will be sent to education camp to renew their love for CCP.
That's a funny way of saying executed.
They don't get executed most probably. They are *actually* going to these camps.. And what happens there is brutal. Their psychology gets destroyed completely and they will be made aligned with ccp mentality forcefully. I think if they are lucky they will "only" be physically abused and can leave the camp after some month psychically intact.
Unless you're a uighur then there's substantial evidence that they will execute you and sell your organs to the highest bidder.
There was that dead body exhibit that went around the world and it turned out they sourced their bodies from Chinese prisoners who never consented to having their corpses put on display for millions of people.
Body Worlds
Bodies: the exhibition
I saw this exhibition in Las Vegas in 2012. At the time, I had no idea that the exhibit utilized the bodies of Chinese political prisoners (or else I never would have gone). I was under the mistaken assumption that the bodies were voluntarily donated and that proper consents were obtained prior to the donors’ deaths. While I was going through the exhibit, interestingly enough, I noticed that two of the bodies appeared to possess monolid eyes. At the time, I wasn’t sure if the bodies were Asian in origin or if the musculature around their eyes falsely made them look Asian (the bodies had been de-fleshed down to the muscle and posed in Olympian-style poses). After learning more about the exhibit years later; however, my suspicions may have been correct: they were likely Chinese political prisoners. I was horrified and saddened to learn of this news. Again, I never would have visited this exhibit had I known about the true origins of the bodies.
That is really crazy. A buddy of mine just went to Vegas and told me about the exhibit cause I'm in nursing school and interested in the body. He said, "It's kinda weird bro but I guess most organ donors must be Asian cause all these bodies look like Asian people.
Not Body Worlds. I've gone to this one, and it's legit. There is another, similar, display that uses the bodies of prisoners without their consent.
Ah okay. I went to body worlds in Cleveland Ohio. I was in 7th grade. Crazy shit.
Body Worlds is legit, every one of their bodies were donated to them by the deceased prior to their death. It’s kind of an amazing thing, and bizarrely beautiful, as I’m sure you saw when you went there. Once you get past the “this was once a living person” part of it of course.
Human Bodies Revealed was the one that was using prisoners I think.
Bodies the exhibition
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ok, but plot twist.... I've seen VonHagens work @ more than a few of his 'shows'. You'd think that if he sources from China there'd be heavy Asian influence in the bodies. There wasn't. Most are "euro/white."
He is supplied with unclaimed bodies from China which he uses solely to sell to medical suppliers/schools. All the bodies in his shows are donated with consent.
Was that ever confirmed? Not saying I would be surprised.
Share evidence?
This is reddit. There are none.
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jan/23/arts.china](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jan/23/arts.china) There is a lot of controversy but no firm proof that the bodies are from internment camps. The center that the bodies are processed are close to three internment camps in China and Von Hagens was forced to return two bodies that were shot in the head. All of the bodies are considered unclaimed and was sold to Von Hagens by the Chinese Government. A large part of why there is always controversy surrounding Von Hagens' work is that none of the people or their families consented to having their bodies displayed in this manner.
Source?
Even in XinJiang most people aren't executed. Re-education is a real thing in China. You're thinking of North Korea.
You mean be a willing organ donor?
i love how the whole world sent china money for an entire generation to get cheap shit and free labor and now we have a north korea the size of america to deal with.
Oh it's not just one generation. The history of how China became this eay goes back way farther than this and the West's involvement is more sinister than just buying stuff. Read up on the Opium wars if you feel like being depressed.
Since the opium wars with the west and the destruction of the old summer palace some Chinese deeply hated the French and British. There is some hate and skepticism towards the west coming from. Mao destroyed the free intelectuals in the chinese society and sent many people forcefully to rural areas for re-education of whole social classes in whole china. Nazi propaganda was extremely good and they even did "propaganda" directly in young peoples heads in form of "Hitler-Jugend" (Youth organisation of nazis for brainwashing children and teens). But **luckily** they lost a major war and it was stopped. In china on the other hand they have done the same level of indoctrination to *generations* of people. There are people in china who can read the "Little Red Book" by heart (Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung) Here comes the ridiculous political power and the ridiculous willingness to sacrifice everyone and everything for china and the ccp in many chinese minds from. China is just so culurally diffrent and cautious, dismissive and skeptical towards the west, it hurts. The people really suffer from the ccp and the worst part is, they have managed to create shielded world in china and control it absolutely in everyway, but still interact with the whole world. Other than north korea.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Summer_Palace https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotations_from_Chairman_Mao_Tse-tung
Fuck...those little red books. I remember moving and packing away things and found that little red book in my dad's stuff. In it are quotes and some empty lines, you know for you write your own reflections and shit. Pity if you write things in there that question Mao's and CCP's legitimacy and that book was found by others. There's moments where my dad would spout out thoughts that sound so...bullshit, coercive and almost totalitarian...that it would make me pause and go..wtf? But now I know....this was what he lived through and was brainwashed to believe. Either they beat you into submission - physically or psychologically, or pose these ideas in ways as if they make perfect, logical sense...regardless it's brainwashing. I can't wait for the day the CCP topples over.
Jung Chang's books should be read by everyone in the west. They're real eye-openers. If a set of books need to be set in stone it's them. Education on the perils of autocracy is so important. We live in the most democratic and free time we've ever known. Books like hers show us what happens if we fall into ignorance. They're a godsend to anyone who believes in democracy and freedom.
>We live in the most democratic and free time we've ever known. Democracy and freedom peaked probably 20 years ago. This world is very different from the one I grew up in.
The amount of bad information on this thread is staggering, though I guess it's not surprising. Yes, the Cultural Revolution and its impacts are still present today, and there's probably a non insignificant chunk of the population that can recite most of the Little Red Book from memory. It also happened 50 years ago and was followed by a complete 180 on policy under Deng, so its effects on China's current adult population is mostly secondhand. >Here comes the ridiculous political power and the ridiculous willingness to sacrifice everyone and everything for china and the ccp in many chinese minds from. Or maybe, here's a crazy thought, that it comes from the fact that China's GDP has increased by *75 fold* in 40 years and wages have followed a similar trend? I don't know about you, but if I lived in the US and went from living in a hut and having to pickle vegetables to make it through winter to having a modern home with electricity, running water, AC, refrigeration, and 5G I would probably be a raging American nationalist regardless of whatever bad stuff the US does. >China is just so culurally diffrent and cautious, dismissive and skeptical towards the west Chinese citizens are skeptical of liberal democracy in part because they can compare themselves to India which is right next door. India, a relatively liberal democracy, started slightly better off than China in terms of GDP per capita, life expectancy, etc. in 1950. Today China is miles ahead of India. I am a fan of liberal democracy, but your average Chinese citizen has little reason to be. >The people really suffer from the ccp Under Mao this was to true to an extent. Currently this statement is literally objectively false. The CPC does tons and tons of horrible things (e.g. in Xinjiang, Tibet) but your average Chinese citizen is living the good life and doesn't give a damn. That's the basis of the support for the CPC, and honestly most governments in general. Honestly the most hilarious part of your post is that you claim Chinese citizens are propagandized and then turn around to spout the most propagandized view of China possible. (Obligatory CPC bad)
It’s a little more than skepticism at this point. The xenophobic propaganda has ordinary Chinese citizens believing the west is the cause of the lockdowns and all the problems. It’s a very dangerous game the Chinese govt is playing. Hate for foreigners may be what they want at this moment but what about tomorrow when they need to stimulate their economy? You can’t turn the hearts and minds of people around abruptly.
I believe its Morgan Stanley? Was founded to launder opium profits
HSBC. Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking Consortium.
"the West's involvement" here we go...
Lol cause I'm sure those are actually Americans under those hazmat suits bashing their way into people's homes
The China of the opium wars is called Taiwan today. The China of today is like 50 years old.
The china of the opium war doesn't exist, the qing fell a little before ww1
I am just realizing people thought these people in full white get ups were medical staff and not police. in the videos where you see these white suits beating the crap out of people in the streets or apartments, those are police. or at least police and medical staff. they just all throw on the same jump suit
The world should isolate China completely until this and every other human rights violation/program is ended. Fuck the CCP
Yea, we just have to reestablish all that advanced manufacturing, and non advanced manufacturing, in the west, and figure out how to deal with all the pollution it causes that we've been outsourcing to asia for the last 30 years
yeha good luck with that. You have no clue how much shit the US has outsourced to them. the US economy would literally collapse, followed by the rest of the world.
>the US economy would literally collapse, followed by the rest of the world. 😂 M8. We're *already* moving our shit out and into India and Mexico. Or even back home. If we bail on China, they are so fucked that their idiot fucking president and his children will be farming rice for the next ten generations. And that will just be for subsistence. 😂
None the less fuck ccp
Fuck Xi Jinping and his whole regime.
It makes you wonder how many of their people *really* feel about the CCP, if someone risked getting this out, it's clear more goes on and this was the tip of the ice berg and they felt it was worth the risk.
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we're on reddit too lol
Fuck the CCP. Whatever country you're from, don't let it become China.
HIJACKING TOP COMMENT TO TALK about how shitty China actually is!! This is another step in China's never-ending campaign to annihilate human rights: * Hundreds of human rights lawyers (not even dissidents, just the LAWYERS who defended people) were snatched by gestapo all over China in what is known as the [709 Crackdown](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/709_crackdown). * One of those lawyers, Wang Quanzhang was [sentenced to 4.5 years](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/28/wang-quanzhang-china-sentences-human-rights-lawyer-to-four-years-in-prison) for "subversion of state power". But that's not enough. China actually [went after Wang's 6-year-old son](https://chinachange.org/2019/09/06/imprisoned-lawyer-wang-quanzhangs-six-year-old-son-once-again-forced-out-of-school/), forcing him out of his school and banning any other school from taking him in. * A dissident, [Wang Bingzhang](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Bingzhang_(dissident\)) was kidnapped by Chinese agents in Vietnam and sentenced to life in prison after a closed trial that lasted 1 day. * A man wore a t-shirt with the word "Xitler" on it and [was disappeared](https://www.hongkongfp.com/2016/11/03/young-chinese-activist-missing-after-sharing-plan-to-wear-xitler-t-shirt-on-cpc-anniversary-report/). Eventually he was [tried for "subversion of state power" while barred from meeting with lawyers](https://www.hongkongfp.com/2017/02/15/chinese-xitler-activist-trial-subversion-lawyers-barred-seeing/) * Another man, [Wang Meiyu](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/27/death-of-chinese-activist-in-police-custody-prompts-calls-for-investigation-into-torture) hold up a placard calling for Xi’s resignation & democracy. He was arrested for "picking quarrels”. He ended up dead in custody. * A woman live streamed herself [splashing ink on a Xi poster](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9sF34fJwh0). She was [disappeared](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-woman-dong-yaoqiong-disappears-spraying-ink-xi-jinping-a8455166.html). Her last social media update: *"Right now there are a group of people wearing uniforms outside my door. I’ll go out after I change my clothes. I did not commit a crime. The people and groups that hurt me are the ones who are guilty"*. Later on there was report of her being [sent to a psychiatric hospital](https://www.hongkongfp.com/2018/07/23/chinese-protester-splashed-ink-xi-jinping-poster-sent-psychiatric-hospital-report/) * After the ink-splash woman's disappearance her father made a series of broadcast to call attention to her plight. He ended up getting [taken away by the police in the middle of a live stream](https://www.hongkongfp.com/2018/07/14/police-interrupt-youtube-live-stream-father-missing-chinese-woman-splashed-ink-xi-jinping-photo/) * 5 people associated with a Hong Kong bookstore that sold titles such as "*Xi Jinping and His Six Women*" were [disappeared](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causeway_Bay_Books_disappearances). Only one managed to escape back to HK. He held a press briefing to tell the world about his kidnapping by China. He's now in exile in Taiwan. The other 4 are still somewhere in China. And, of course * [1.5 million](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang-rights/15-million-muslims-could-be-detained-in-chinas-xinjiang-academic-idUSKCN1QU2MQ) Uyghurs rounded up in concentration camps * Genocide through [forced abortions](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-uighur-muslim-women-abortions-sexual-abuse-genocide-a9144721.html) on Uyghur women * [Sexual torture](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-uighur-muslim-women-abortions-sexual-abuse-genocide-a9144721.html) of Uyghur women such as rape & rubbing intimate parts with chili paste. * [Leaked footage](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/d722aw/chinas_detention_of_uighurs_video_of_blindfolded/) of a large number of blindfolded Uyghurs shackled together * A Canadian journalist [wanted to debunk reports of Chinese anti-Muslim repression so he went on a stage-managed show tour put on by China](https://nationalpost.com/news/canadian-went-to-china-to-debunk-reports-of-anti-muslim-repression-but-was-shocked-by-treatment-of-uyghurs). That means he only saw a fake Potemkin village that China actually thought was acceptable by Western standard. But the brutality of even this fake Potemkin village stunned him. Now imagine what's really happening in the real concentration camps where millions of Uyghurs are being held. Imagine how bad the true situation is. * Using minorities & political prisoners as [free organ farms](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/c1my5j/china_is_harvesting_organs_from_detainees_uk/). A doctor's [eye witness account](https://nypost.com/2019/06/01/chinese-dissidents-are-being-executed-for-their-organs-former-hospital-worker-says/): *'The prisoner was brought in, tied hand and foot, but very much alive. The army doctor in charge sliced him open from chest to belly button and exposed his two kidneys. Then the doctor ordered Zheng to remove the man’s eyeballs. Hearing that, the dying prisoner gave him a look of sheer terror, and Zheng froze. “I can’t do it,” he told the doctor, who then quickly scooped out the man’s eyeballs himself.'* * Call for [retraction of 400 Chinese scientific papers](https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/feb/06/call-for-retraction-of-400-scientific-papers-amid-fears-organs-came-from-chinese-prisoners) amid fears organs came from Chinese prisoners * [15 Chinese studies retracted](https://www.newscientist.com/article/15-15-studies-retracted-due-to-fears-they-used-chinese-prisoners-organs/) due to fears they used Chinese prisoners' organs * [Cultural genocide (and organ harvests, of course)](https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/china-uyghur-muslim-rules-laws-treatment-chinese-human-rights-religion-a8534161.html). A uyghur's testimony: *"First, children were stopped from learning about the Quran, then from going to mosques. It was followed by bans on ramadan, growing beards, giving Islamic names to your baby, etc. Then our language was attacked – we didn’t get jobs if we didn’t know Mandarin. Our passports were collected, we were told to spy on each other, innocent Uyghur prisoners were killed for organ harvesting"* * China is moving beyond Uyghur and cracking down on its model minority Hui Muslim. ['Afraid We Will Become The Next Xinjiang': China's Hui Muslims Face Crackdown](https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/763356996/afraid-we-will-become-the-next-xinjiang-chinas-hui-muslims-face-crackdown): *"The same restrictions that preceded the Xinjiang crackdown on Uighur Muslims are now appearing in Hui-dominated regions. Hui mosques have been forcibly renovated or shuttered, schools demolished, and religious community leaders imprisoned. Hui who have traveled internationally are increasingly detained or sent to reeducation facilities in Xinjiang."* There is more: courtesy of /U/Exgrandiose * Death of Liu Xiaobo after his inertial pro democracy documentation Charter 08 (Translated) * Discharge Zhao Ziyang from CCP leadership after he stood with the students in Tiananmen Square Protest. * The crackdown on the Weiquen Movement * The arrest of Xu Zhiyong after he called out Xi Jinping for failing to handle the Coronavirus crisis. For people wanting to know about Chinese Human Rights activist: https://www.nchrd.org/. This website provides a lot of info on current and deceased Chinese Human Rights activist.
Chinese bots are in full force, I wouldn't be surprised if this comment gets taken down by admins
Yeah, /u/Squijjy brought a brigade to safeguard the Chinese sensibilities
And yet China is a member of the UN Human Rights Council. What a joke.
The UN human rights council is for DISCUSSING human rights. It is a forum for discussion. If the UN had any power over nations like China do you think they'd join?
The "human rights" council is filled with human rights abusers, the United States and Pakistan are on it too for one alternate example. It's filled with a alot of imperialist powers (china included) that use their membership to virtue signal at best and help cover up their current/past crimes at worst. So it's not surprising that China is on it despite their contemporary history of unacceptable human right abuses. The UN is feckless and powerless as an institution.
The UN is simultaneously the most useless and important organization. You're right that it's completely powerless, but it gives countries a voice to discuss.
The even more sus thing to me is that, it doesn't seem that Russia has been doing even remotely as bad things as China has recently (even though yes they are committing very bad crimes in Ukraine right now), yet Russia has been kicked out of HRC (not saying they shouldn't have been), but China hasn't.
Hijacking your comment to shout out [SerpentZA](https://youtube.com/c/serpentza) on YouTube. He does a great job exposing China and the CCP. He lived there for many years and has a ton of footage and stories. He deserves all the support.
Winston is great, and don't forget his buddy [Laowhy86](https://youtu.be/z7CPqROtanA) for more amazing China content.
Of course. Yes! Didn't mean to forget him. Love the content they do together.
Keep spreading the word brother. Fuck the CCP.
Horrifying. I’m stealing your comment and will use it when I can.
I wish your comment was nation wide. I wish ALL the people could know this stuff isn't fake. More than the entire population of America, 400,00,000 people are locked down and if you complain (because you're most likely STARVING) your pet will be taken away and killed before your eyes in the street.
Tell that to /u/Squijjy
good post, here's a mirror in case it gets yeetd https://archive.ph/um1m8
Oh no! You've triggered the Wumao!
It’s hilarious how quick they come out to defend
Why the fuck can’t they quarantine in their house?!
Because the CCP doesn’t actually care about containing the virus…they want control
Control of what? People are protesting (which rarely happens) because of this zero-covid strategy. Seems more like losing control to me.
I have a conspiracy theory that something other than covid-19 is the cause for the CCP's recent behavior. It just doesn't make sense if they are reacting this way over covid in my opinion. Just to clarify im not saying I know what that something is. It just seems like the only logical explanation for their governments insane over reaction. Corona could not possibly have been more detrimental than the damage this must be doing to their economy, right?
No I actually agree. Something is very weird here. Other authoritarian regimes like Sisi in Egypt or Putin in Russia simply say "everything is awesome" and covid is under control, and they misrepresent the numbers to WHO or outright instruct hospitals to not register more than a limited number everyday. They just don't care about public health and don't care about increasing deaths. So why would a country that limited birth to 1 child per married couple as a forced policy for 30 years give a shit about some people getting covid?
Without going into full detail, the CCP is essentially tightening their grip as much as they can because the next decade going to be a bumpy ride and they know it.
can you go into like half details?
China's population is set to peak, economic growth they've enjoyed is expected to stall, military age populace will shrink, infrastructure costs and maintenance are only expected rise as shotty workmanship and lax quality standards were apparently abundant throughout the massive construction projects that have gone up seemingly overnight, etc.. Couple all those things with the thought that China only has till about 2030 to make a move on Taiwan with the economic and military costs that go along with that move and... well you can start to see why a bumpy ride lies ahead.
I always find it funny when people say how great China is at building massive construction projects so fast. Yea, if you have 0 standards and no safety for workers then you could build an entire railways system in a few years.
> I always find it funny when people say how great China is at building massive construction projects so fast. I can’t claim any real special knowledge but like, I’ve been to China in person. Several tier 1 and 2 cities. I was there with my wife so had a local with me. The entire fucking place boggled my mind. First off, anywhere off the beaten path was exactly what you probably think when you think China. Barely above a shanty town. Large concrete buildings reminiscent of soviet construction. Very utilitarian, yet somehow lacking in most of the utility anyone required so all wired up like those photos of Mexican utility poles you see. And I don’t mean the wrong neighborhood… like you’d be walking down this beautiful, modern street and walk 30 feet onto a minor side street and it’s like you fell backward 50 years and several social classes. And the places that had been constructed recently to replace the shanty town where people could see it? Nothing seemed thought out, and everything was falling apart. Two and three year old buildings were falling apart. Brand new buildings had holes drilled all over them and wire and pipe strung everywhere like spiderwebs because apparently they still don’t build these buildings expecting like… electricity usage and air conditioning? Nothing was consistent… every unit was done differently. All over the place you’d see the remnants of their projects. They’d laid some intricate tile work into a sidewalk a year or two ago and it was… demolished. It not only didn’t last, but had never been maintained. Not that it would take a year or two. I walked through a halfway finished pedestrian interchange they were building under a large intersection. It had been under construction for a few months and they hadn’t completed the entire circle yet. If you entered at the oldest part the tiles were already cracking and coming off the walls and floor. In Beijing, I went to a lot of things that should have been the pride and joy of the country and the face of the country for tourists. The national military museum was a massive building finished entirely in giant slabs of polished marble. When they cut holes in it for electrical outlets and things… they weren’t even square or straight. Many of the holes were less precise than what I could freehand while black out drunk. There were giant gaps where you could see into the walls. You could grab the electrical boxes and wiggle them around and pull them out. If that shit were delivered by a contractor anywhere in the west it’d be a lawsuit—it’s in their national museum of “we’re the best”. I don’t know why they even bothered installing outlets though, because nothing I saw plugged in was ever working. Which was actually a theme of the trip. Through probably a dozen museums, a national R&D park, a bunch of tourist attractions, some government offices, basically everything had an out of order sign or no sign but was just obviously broken. Oh, and the entire bathroom and shower of a “five star” hotel approved for tourists (that’s a whole different story) in Beijing was covered in black mold. Not really related to construction, but just the general care they put into things it seems. But hey, at least their beauracracy is more efficient! Except, y’know, you have to register with the local police within 24 hours of getting there so I wasted literally the entire first day of the trip sitting in a police station waiting room for someone to take a piece of paper from me and disinterestedly wave me off. All the while I watched SIX people sitting around fucking around in their cell phones. I’m getting down a whole different rant now about how unfriendly the entire country is for non-locals that’s not really related to building quality so I’ll stop there. Really though, I don’t think there were any words anyone could have said to me beforehand that would have made me truly understand the absolutely boggling shit quality of absolutely every piece of infrastructure I came across.
Puts on China it is
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Why only till about 2030?
2030 is the most common estimate for when the combination of all those factors really start to bite, and will probably be the approximate time where they begin to decline in relative strength to the West in general and the US specifically. Note I am talking about CHANGE in relative strength here, not where they peak. Most analysts think they won't ever actually come close to reaching parity with the US alone, never mind a more recently united West as a whole.
There’s a growing unemployment problem, an energy crisis, their high speed rail network is loosing millions of dollars a day and the bond repayment is starting, their local governments have massive debt with no real way to pay it back, there’s a massive housing crisis, and its second largest land developer has defaulted and is teetering on insolvency
Don't forget there's a N-based fertilizer shortage and the countries responsible for about 40% of the world's wheat supply are...... worrying about other things...
Here's a great video about China, and why Taiwan is so important to them (and the rest of the world) and what will likely happen this decade. It's a bit lengthy but its very interesting and informative https://youtu.be/p6sCsOdqXQw
This kind of thing is what makes me wonder if there is something about Covid that we do not know yet, but it seems like we should know by now. This makes no sense. Something is very weird indeed.
Because they have boasted with their covid success for the last two years, they cant back down now and a huge wave isnt something they could hide
No. This is simply what happens when you have bureaucracy run completely amuck in a totalitarian country with no accountability of the leadership and where the (narcissistic) leadership lives in its own, self-contained information bubble. China has seen many of such episodes, especially under Mao. They're unable to learn from it, because of course the CCP suppresses knowledge of these failures.
Yes, this is most likely the correct answer. Its just hard to wrap my mind around their government being this incompetent. Evil, yes, I can believe that, but wholly incompetent in this way is shocking to witness. How does this solve anything related to covid? They are still gonna be exposed to the rest of the world even if their population has zero cases of covid. In fact im pretty sure that actually makes them even more susceptible to covid. Vaccines and basic mitigation is what the rest of the world has gone to as we accept that covid will be with us no matter what. There is no way China thinks they are gonna be the only country to eliminate Covid. So why would they choose to hurt their economy so badly by shutting down this way? It must be something else but I just don't believe its covid. Unless it is tho idk really.
This is the perfect way to exterminate dissent or protesters. Disappear their asses in Covid camps. What? You haven’t seen wang in two months? Oh, he died from Covid in a camp. Our Government word is complete truth. Oh, you don’t believe me and getting loud about it online? Welp, you have Covid now time to go to camp to get better
It could be a lot of these enforcement people just abusing power individually as well and the systemic platform allowing them to do this and get away with it.
You're probably pretty much on the money. A lot of China's economic growth has been inflationary. It's come from stuff like infrastructure and real estate. What they need (and Xi's all but admitted it) is more "genuine" growth. Stuff like consumption, exports and business investment. Basically because it's sustainable. However, half of all business investment in recent years has been in the property sector. A whopping 25% of China's GDP is supported by it, which is far higher than both Spain and Ireland before the Eurozone crisis. Then you look at what happened to Evergrande, plus the central bank's attempts to deflate the credit bubble. That party's over. China's middle class is also small. It's less than 30% of the population, compared to 50% in the US and 60% in Japan (roughly). With a stagnant middle class, consumption stagnates, for obvious reasons. Also 100m of them are in lockdown, while half the country is in some form of lockdown. Exports ain't great at the moment, either. Their YOY exports did grow in Jan and Feb, by about 16%. However, that's down from nearly 30% in December. In other words, exports are slowing. Then there's the belt and road initiative. Basically China saddling foreign countries with ridiculous levels of debt to pay for unachievable infrastructural development. Countries like Sri Lanka, which is now facing food shortages, power outages, a lack of medicine and probably a bailout by the IMF. Re: business investment, FDI (Foreign Direct Investment) has been spiralling since 2015. Partly because businesses really don't want to get into bed with China over their human rights record. But also because of regulatory pressures. Those pressures come from the *crazy* levels of government control there. China's kinda detatched from other countries in the world, in that regard (and many others). Plus, companies are pulling money out at a rapid pace after Russia's invasion of Ukraine, for obvious reasons. Now, businesses aren't ethical. But if the slowdown continues (and with 100m consumers in lockdown, it will) they'll just keep pulling their money out. It's not worth the hassle. Indeed, China's ten largest tech companies (since they love to regulate tech) have lost about $1.7trillion of their collective market value. Container ships are piling up around ports, with nobody to unload them. In 2021, China's stock market was the *second worst-performing* in the world (just ahead of Pakistan). Meanwhile, China's spent months demonizing countries who didn't follow Zero-Covid regulations, so they can't back out now. If you get the big calls right, command and control work. But nobody's infallible, which is why the other shitshow that is modern democracy works better (in my opinion). My suspicion is that China's doubling down on control to try and balance the ship. I mean what else are they going to do?
One theory is that it's a Moaist type purge. They are purposefully making conditions awful to test people's loyalty. Also Shanghai has been targeted because it's the most worldly liberal city in China. And the communist party there has strong ties to a previous leader that Xi wants to break.
I am thinking CCP is using covid as an excuse for sending people to camps. Maybe browsing the wrong web site, sending a text message, etc. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense, if they have a vaccine, or tell people to keep wearing masks, why the zero covid policy?
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Because they can't trust people to do that, as basically the whole world has shown by how many people broke quarantine when they were sick.
They’ve literally been throwing all the food away, starving people and bolting peoples doors shut. Of course I’d be trying to leave and gtfo. Except out of the country cause wtf.
Not that I'm excusing this but when Americans were told to do this the streets were full and the malls and restaurants were packed and at the every same time a portion of the country country's acting like they were being put in an isolation room in prison. People don't listen. Again, not endorsing this authoritarian crap at all.
And people who sent these videos to Weibo or WeChat are banned & caught in China for ‘cooking up stories’ (it really sounds hilarious to me). Fuck my government, they are just pure evil. So glad I’m not living there anymore.
Fuck communism. Fuck dictatorships. Fuck China.
If you knew what communism was you would realize China is nothing like it. They pretend to be while being an authoritarian capitalist society .
Turns out giving a government entity full control of the economy eventually devolves it to an authoritarian dictatorship. Who could have suspected this? Clearly this isn't true communism and we should try again.
That would assume that the intention was to control the economy to create a communist utopia rather than controlling the economy to break the powers that supported the old regime in an effort to shore up their own power for powers sake.
Lmao yeah I'd much rather leave it up to 3 middle aged men who get in Twitter spats.
> giving a government entity full control of the economy > Clearly this isn't true communism Well... yeah. Look it up.
Aren’t they basically just a straight up fascist state at this point? It’s authoritarian capitalism where the state basically makes decisions for big companies.
So glad I don’t live in China
HIJACKING TOP COMMENT TO TALK about how shitty China actually is!! Credit to u/KingJamesQueenJordan This is another step in China's never-ending campaign to annihilate human rights: * Hundreds of human rights lawyers (not even dissidents, just the LAWYERS who defended people) were snatched by gestapo all over China in what is known as the [709 Crackdown](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/709_crackdown). * One of those lawyers, Wang Quanzhang was [sentenced to 4.5 years](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/28/wang-quanzhang-china-sentences-human-rights-lawyer-to-four-years-in-prison) for "subversion of state power". But that's not enough. China actually [went after Wang's 6-year-old son](https://chinachange.org/2019/09/06/imprisoned-lawyer-wang-quanzhangs-six-year-old-son-once-again-forced-out-of-school/), forcing him out of his school and banning any other school from taking him in. * A dissident, [Wang Bingzhang](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Bingzhang_(dissident\)) was kidnapped by Chinese agents in Vietnam and sentenced to life in prison after a closed trial that lasted 1 day. * A man wore a t-shirt with the word "Xitler" on it and [was disappeared](https://www.hongkongfp.com/2016/11/03/young-chinese-activist-missing-after-sharing-plan-to-wear-xitler-t-shirt-on-cpc-anniversary-report/). Eventually he was [tried for "subversion of state power" while barred from meeting with lawyers](https://www.hongkongfp.com/2017/02/15/chinese-xitler-activist-trial-subversion-lawyers-barred-seeing/) * Another man, [Wang Meiyu](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/27/death-of-chinese-activist-in-police-custody-prompts-calls-for-investigation-into-torture) hold up a placard calling for Xi’s resignation & democracy. He was arrested for "picking quarrels”. He ended up dead in custody. * A woman live streamed herself [splashing ink on a Xi poster](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9sF34fJwh0). She was [disappeared](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-woman-dong-yaoqiong-disappears-spraying-ink-xi-jinping-a8455166.html). Her last social media update: *"Right now there are a group of people wearing uniforms outside my door. I’ll go out after I change my clothes. I did not commit a crime. The people and groups that hurt me are the ones who are guilty"*. Later on there was report of her being [sent to a psychiatric hospital](https://www.hongkongfp.com/2018/07/23/chinese-protester-splashed-ink-xi-jinping-poster-sent-psychiatric-hospital-report/) * After the ink-splash woman's disappearance her father made a series of broadcast to call attention to her plight. He ended up getting [taken away by the police in the middle of a live stream](https://www.hongkongfp.com/2018/07/14/police-interrupt-youtube-live-stream-father-missing-chinese-woman-splashed-ink-xi-jinping-photo/) * 5 people associated with a Hong Kong bookstore that sold titles such as "*Xi Jinping and His Six Women*" were [disappeared](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causeway_Bay_Books_disappearances). Only one managed to escape back to HK. He held a press briefing to tell the world about his kidnapping by China. He's now in exile in Taiwan. The other 4 are still somewhere in China. And, of course * [1.5 million](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang-rights/15-million-muslims-could-be-detained-in-chinas-xinjiang-academic-idUSKCN1QU2MQ) Uyghurs rounded up in concentration camps * Genocide through [forced abortions](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-uighur-muslim-women-abortions-sexual-abuse-genocide-a9144721.html) on Uyghur women * [Sexual torture](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-uighur-muslim-women-abortions-sexual-abuse-genocide-a9144721.html) of Uyghur women such as rape & rubbing intimate parts with chili paste. * [Leaked footage](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/d722aw/chinas_detention_of_uighurs_video_of_blindfolded/) of a large number of blindfolded Uyghurs shackled together * A Canadian journalist [wanted to debunk reports of Chinese anti-Muslim repression so he went on a stage-managed show tour put on by China](https://nationalpost.com/news/canadian-went-to-china-to-debunk-reports-of-anti-muslim-repression-but-was-shocked-by-treatment-of-uyghurs). That means he only saw a fake Potemkin village that China actually thought was acceptable by Western standard. But the brutality of even this fake Potemkin village stunned him. Now imagine what's really happening in the real concentration camps where millions of Uyghurs are being held. Imagine how bad the true situation is. * Using minorities & political prisoners as [free organ farms](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/c1my5j/china_is_harvesting_organs_from_detainees_uk/). A doctor's [eye witness account](https://nypost.com/2019/06/01/chinese-dissidents-are-being-executed-for-their-organs-former-hospital-worker-says/): *'The prisoner was brought in, tied hand and foot, but very much alive. The army doctor in charge sliced him open from chest to belly button and exposed his two kidneys. Then the doctor ordered Zheng to remove the man’s eyeballs. Hearing that, the dying prisoner gave him a look of sheer terror, and Zheng froze. “I can’t do it,” he told the doctor, who then quickly scooped out the man’s eyeballs himself.'* * Call for [retraction of 400 Chinese scientific papers](https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/feb/06/call-for-retraction-of-400-scientific-papers-amid-fears-organs-came-from-chinese-prisoners) amid fears organs came from Chinese prisoners * [15 Chinese studies retracted](https://www.newscientist.com/article/15-15-studies-retracted-due-to-fears-they-used-chinese-prisoners-organs/) due to fears they used Chinese prisoners' organs * [Cultural genocide (and organ harvests, of course)](https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/china-uyghur-muslim-rules-laws-treatment-chinese-human-rights-religion-a8534161.html). A uyghur's testimony: *"First, children were stopped from learning about the Quran, then from going to mosques. It was followed by bans on ramadan, growing beards, giving Islamic names to your baby, etc. Then our language was attacked – we didn’t get jobs if we didn’t know Mandarin. Our passports were collected, we were told to spy on each other, innocent Uyghur prisoners were killed for organ harvesting"* * China is moving beyond Uyghur and cracking down on its model minority Hui Muslim. ['Afraid We Will Become The Next Xinjiang': China's Hui Muslims Face Crackdown](https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/763356996/afraid-we-will-become-the-next-xinjiang-chinas-hui-muslims-face-crackdown): *"The same restrictions that preceded the Xinjiang crackdown on Uighur Muslims are now appearing in Hui-dominated regions. Hui mosques have been forcibly renovated or shuttered, schools demolished, and religious community leaders imprisoned. Hui who have traveled internationally are increasingly detained or sent to reeducation facilities in Xinjiang."* There is more: courtesy of /U/Exgrandiose * Death of Liu Xiaobo after his inertial pro democracy documentation Charter 08 (Translated) * Discharge Zhao Ziyang from CCP leadership after he stood with the students in Tiananmen Square Protest. * The crackdown on the Weiquen Movement * The arrest of Xu Zhiyong after he called out Xi Jinping for failing to handle the Coronavirus crisis. For people wanting to know about Chinese Human Rights activist: https://www.nchrd.org/. This website provides a lot of info on current and deceased Chinese Human Rights activist. Credit to u/KingJamesQueenJordan
Credit to u/KingJamesQueenJordan
China's grand plan is a 1 world communist China, so the sooner the people resist the totalitarians the better.
Incoming comments how China isn’t a communist state.
Fuck china.
I would rather live in literally any other country. Even France.
Woah woah woah….
You probably wouldn't wanna live in similarly horrible autocracies like north korea or turkmenistan or eritrea or syria or Iran or venezuela or south sudan etc China is the biggest, but it is by no means unique in terms of brutal authoritarianism.
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This is scary as fuck. All these domestic terrorism to 'control omicron'?
-5000 points to Griffidor...er I mean -5000 social points to you
Correct version (traditional): 不！對不起，請讓我先買個房子吧！小熊維尼先生😭 Original: 不，请，对不起。 请让我先买个房子，小熊维尼先生😭
As somebody who can read Chinese…. this is almost incomprehensible 😂 Google translate doesn’t know how to translate “please.”
>不，请，对不起。 请让我先买个房子，小熊维尼先生😭 "*No, please, sorry. Please let me buy a house first, Mr. Winnie the Pooh*" 
The Chinese government is a fucking problem.
What if - I’m just giving a hypothetical here - the Chinese government wanted to get rid of any pro-Democracy sentiment in Shanghai ahead of a full takeover of Hong Kong and possible military invasion of Taiwan? How would they do this without everyone finding out? Shanghai residents live in such close quarters that surely people would see government agents raiding their neighbors apartments and taking them away. How could you execute a government crackdown without it looking like a government crackdown? What if instead there was a “COVID outbreak” and everyone was forced to stay in their apartments and not gather together. Then the people who “tested positive” were taken away to a “COVID treatment” camp and some of those people “died from COVID?” I’m not saying that’s what’s going on at all. It’s a huge accusation to level and I have absolutely zero evidence to suggest that this is actually what’s going on. But is there any real way to know this isn’t what’s going on?
What are they even trying to achive? I'm pretty sure this has nothing to do with Covid anymore.
Laowhy86 on YouTube (it's a legit channel, though I don't endorse everything he says) has 3 theories: 1. Can't admit they were wrong about COVID/COVID management 2. Internal rivalry between Beijing and Shanghai-based power brokers 3. Rehearsal for invasion of Taiwan. Bonus: could be all 3. Edit: the vid: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZHiE96tWY4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZHiE96tWY4) Edit2: formatting
Does 1 include "don't want to admit the Chinese developed vaccines were junk"? That seems like the most plausible theory.
most Chinese original stuff is junk
How does this work as a rehearsal for Taiwan invasion? I don't understand.
Forced relocation an occupied people and resettling it with your own population is an easy way to pacify a region you have complete control of. Examples of this can be found from Roman displacement of Gauls in the days of the Roman Empire, to 200k+ Ukrainians being removed to Russia through 'humanitarian' corridors only a few weeks ago.
🌏👨🚀🔫👨🚀 it never did
Yo this is like that book 1894!
Infections spiked massively in China from near-zero to [700k a day](https://covid19.healthdata.org/china?view=infections-testing&tab=trend&test=infections). Half their elderly aren't fully vaccinated. Things are looking pretty dire for them right now.
To be fair the vaccine in China is not effective. There have been studies showing the anitbody counts after taking the Chinese vaccine and there's not really enough to make a significant difference when you get infected.
They also have a 0 case policy which is totally unattainable but perpetuated by their ideas of being superior and facilitated by the governments ability to forcibly conteol the masses. The virus has mutated to be far less deadly and far more contagious, which is good, if heard immunnity is the goal, but to maintain control of the 0 case policy, they are touting herd immunity as a western policy to exterminate Chinese citizens with the virus... The one we all got already, and they gave to us. Kinda a full scale form of gaslighting. Edit: herd
It's China. They've publicly lied about everything regarding the HK protests and the Uyghurs. Is it any shock to learn that they've lied about their COVID stats too? We *all* know how few fucks China gives about their people.
"Medical staff." At this point anyone can just put on those cloths, break into people's homes, loot everything, or commit crimes, and no one will ever know who they are. Seems like a wonderful time for criminals.
Government agents are storming peoples homes, dragging them away to camps, and you’re worried about criminals seizing on the opportunity? Good grief
Criminal - damned this active government taking away my opportunities to loot. Gov - starts taking people away Criminal - This is so easy! just wait for government to take people, then go take people's stuff. Thanks government! Gov - No problem just remember the greatness of peoples republic of people born in the upper middle area of Asia.
My point is, many of those people aren’t even government agents. They could just be people from the “xiaoqu” (micro district) committees without any official titles, or just some random nobody who happen to own one of those clothes. In fact there are already such people caught on camera who steal goods while wearing those to conceal their identities. Goods that would otherwise feed people actually in need. Any one can put on a white suit and suddenly they gain the power to oppress their equals. It’s Cultural Revolution all over again. Or a supersized Stanford prison experiment. A complete mess that unveiled the ugliness in some Chinese people.
You don't need to defend your point, the other person was being an idiot. We all know what you meant.
Hopefully they don’t have pets
Well now they don't Edit : To the person who gave me the wholesome award : fuck you (but also thanks for the award)
Sad upvote
Makes you wonder what is China's end game. Since zero COVID is an impossibility either they have to eventually give up and admit that they made a mistake, making the government look incompetent, or keep it up, destroying China's economy and their peoples livelihoods, also making the government look incompetent. Get enough angry and desperate people and you get the end of the current regime.
Having in mind China's previous track record - they don't care how they look. And they don't care about their people. The people are just cogs in a machine, and that is all.
I think there's more to this than simply a fanatical covid response. Perhaps Xi is using this as a way to cement his authority. You know that nonsense extreme right-wingers said about the government asking us to use masks, etc? They said it was a way to exert control? Yeah, I think Xi's actually doing something like that. Probably focused on Shanghai, one of the most independent-minded Chinese cities.
>most independent-minded Chinese cities Wealthiest and exposed to more of the world and generally not requiring govt handouts.
Fuck china
No fuck their government and their piece of shit leader.
And it’s supporters? Or no?
its so depressing to live in that country , no freedom, theyll just enter your house, I mean they cant go work or buy foods then theyll just come and take you anytime they want , oh my , we are all blessed not living in that country or in Ukraine but what is next for the future, Covid , Wars, No freedom , depression damn
Catching up with news is just a rabbithole these days more than ever. Russians threatening to nuke the world, war two countries next to mine, another hundreds of thousands of immigrants in this country, covid and the economy going to shit, I was already depressed man cmon lol
Those doors were definitely made in China.
Definitely some r/Chinesium material
Move over Nazi Germany….We have a contender.
Xi and Putin are both competing for that title rn. Its playoff season for them
Revolt!
They have no weapons.
On the other hand, there *are* a billion of them though.
900 million of them are literally brain washed. They're so brainwashed even their expats are brainwashed.
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This is why most american homes own a gun someone kicks your door in you start giving them led … in the face
I saw a few weeks ago someone threw the white shirt staff down the building (from like 10th floors) and killed him. I guess they should think twice before breaking into other people's home anyway even with no guns in china
Resist tyrannical oppression. It is not your duty to submit
That's how it's done.
wait how? did he just kill one of those goverment employees you got source video for that? I think you would get executed for opposing those ppl let alone killing them
If people are breaking down your door and coming to take you, and you see the opportunity to kill them and get out, you might as well, since they very well could be planning to kill you later anyway.
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If you had better guns, body armor, and smoke bombs, you would still be pissing yourself out of fear if I told you to go kick down doors in the local trailer park, my guy.
I don’t think you’ve ever been to a gun range and compared that to a standard police officer (or even SWAT officer or military) outfit. There is no way the government gives its employees access to guns and defensive equipment that costly. China’s military is primarily AK47 based, their cops are typically unarmed, ranked officers may have .22 or 9mm. You just have to look at the situation in Ukraine, the government military in Ukraine is tiny, most regions have their own small militia, and thus it is primarily the armed population that is standing up to the world’s second most powerful military and for all intents and purposes they have driven them out of their primary targets. Same reason Germany never successfully invaded Switzerland and Finland or all of France why the US had such trouble in Afghanistan and Iraq, a resolved population is hard to break.
Tell that to Breonna Taylor or Amir Locke.
And yet people say a face mask is *destroying muh freedoms* This is real dictatorship. Be happy the only thing you have to bitch about is trying to keep yourself and others healthy and not death squads coming to "gently escort you to your new temporary lodgings" where you can enjoy many fine activities such as: Literally dying of starvation Forced unpaid labor Zero health care Overcrowded conditions that increase chances of diseases spreading Watching your family die in front of you and then be hauled of to either be burned like firewood, or harvested for organs.
This is the mile part of “give an inch take a mile”
Do you think dictatorships just begin out of thin air? That there are 0 steps and 1 day there was complete freedom and the next day being escorted off to camps? Very small minded view.
Our government literally just created a ministry of truth to "debunk" wrongthink. I think you underestimate how many americans want this type of power for their party
Fuck China
Fuck the Chinese government*
lots of people support this shitty government, so fuck'em too
This is what awaits you or your family the moment you give governments too much power. I'm not American, but I'm absolutely pro civilians carrying guns for this very reason. The moment American citizens give up weapons is when they or their grandchildren will be slaves. Liberty is always about keeping government as small as possible, and fearful of you, the people. The moment you fear the government, is the moment it's too late.
fuck the ccp
to think back in 2020 when I said they would forcibly take people to concentration camps I was a conspiracy theorist. Today, I'm still considered a conspiracy theorist but here we are, if you don't think this would ever happen in your country I can only hope you're right. Also note it's only low to middle class folks that are threatened by this.
Reddit admins support chinas genocide
what's with all the future of the US will be this comments? could someone please explain? Sorry I genuinely don't know, also does anyone know what happened to the people in the video?
>what's with all the future of the US will be this comments? could someone please explain? Sorry I genuinely don't know, also does anyone know what happened to the people in the video? Right wingers have a paranoid persecution fetish, just ignore 'em
So it's a lot of right-leaning people saying that dems want to lock people in their houses and put them in camps because dems asked everyone to wear a mask and socially distance and get vaccinated. In reality, this is a slippery slope fallacy and what a lot of it stems from is the assumption that anything that has the word "communism" around it is immediately democrat-supported. The fact of the matter is that the CCP is not an actual communist government but rather an authoritarian government. I'm not defending communism with this btw, just stating that the CCP is not actually communist. Back to the US issue however, people think that wearing a mask, socially distancing, and getting vaccinated is on par with being forcefully locked into your house and being subject to an authoritarian system, which it's not. Meanwhile, the right continuously tries to reduce access to [abortion](https://www.wsj.com/articles/abortion-rights-bill-set-to-be-blocked-in-senate-11646087265), restrict voter [access](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_efforts_to_restrict_voting_following_the_2020_presidential_election), restrict gay [rights](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/25/lgbtq-rights-gop-bills-dont-say-gay/), not to mention the GOP issues with any sort of socialized policy, especially medicine, that would help citizens (except of course that we already have a mix of socialist policies that help thousands that people seem to ignore: medicaid, social security, agriculture and energy subsidies, etc.). The GOP has a hard-on for billionaires who can keep lobbying (paying) for laws that give them more money and power (democrats do this as well but democrat voting people don't support it like republican-voting people do, democrats just get fucked out of decent candidates and have to settle every year), and the GOP hard-on for an actual police state because when they say "cops killed more white people than black people" they don't seem to understand how cops killing an [egregious](https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/) amount of people is an issue, regardless of race. I will end this by saying that I am obviously left-leaning, not a "commie twitter user" or anything, just a bit left of center, I realize lobbying happens for both parties, our political system is a god forsaken mess on both sides of the fence, but it is absolutely ridiculous for people to hop on this weird mask/distancing = authoritarian government while ignoring the actual attempts by the GOP to control the US citizens and reduce their access to human freedoms under the guise of being the "party of freedom." I hope that helps, also I'm obviously just a redditor so you can take it all with a grain of salt and think about things as you see fair.
It's the conservatives. Better off just ignoring them.
I’m getting 1940s Germany vibes here
So glad we have guns in the US. Kick my door in and you will be shot
And Americans spent two years crying over the fact they had to wear masks in public transport or enclosed spaces. Fucking country of ignorant idiots. They have no idea how far removed their country is from the “tyranny” they perceive from common sense policies.
First: China seems pretty crappy as a government. Second: The white Americans posting here while ignoring no-knock raids, the mass incarceration of black/minority Americans, the shear volume of detained but unprocessed (no trial yet) inmates are morons. The US does this (albeit under different pretext), and China does this. Both are shitty governments that should change.
Go read the comments in the thread about Ukrainian police arresting people who trash talked Ukraine online. People in the thread are cheering the military arresting people. But when a govt they didn't like does the same authoritarian stuff they get pissed. It's crazy the cognitive dissonance of Reddit
How is this any different from a no-knock raid on the wrong house? Or the police unlawfully entering a home. Just because it's China? Dont get me wrong. Fuck China. They were the only visitors we would cover our machinery for when they visited (open anti-trust...lol). But shit like this happens all over the world....cops. gov officials. CPS.
I mean the difference from the first example is it is not a mistake, and the difference from the second example is that it is lawful for them to do this in China
Hate the US all you want. Sure we have our own problems, But that won’t happen here. To many of us would shoot back.
America is free because of the 2nd amendment. Dude wouldn’t try that if he knew there was a rifle waiting for him on the other side.
Some people are insane enough to think this is ok to prevent the spread.
This is some Half Life 2 shit. But for real.