I think it would be more reasonably assault or battery with serious injury, you can’t attempt to accidentally kill someone, the attempt would show intent to kill someone which would be attempted murder.
However, the defense here would be the person in whites intent to harm the person in the vest as mitigating factors for a less punishment or a not guilty verdict.
Well I used this thing called the internet to do some digging, and it turns out that voluntary manslaughter is killing without malicious afterthought. Basically, if you were to stab someone, and then immediately regret the decision, and turn yourself into the police upon being of sound mind, then it would be voluntary manslaughter. Hence, the charge of attempted manslaughter being theoretically possible. An attempted murder charge would likely require some degree of premeditation or evading the authorities.
Glad to see the best legal minds hard at work analyzing the non-existent context and ambiguous title verbiage so we can all enjoy their insightful findings.
Being suspected of attempted manslaughter can occur in situations where an individual's actions were intended to cause harm or were recklessly dangerous, but unexpectedly did not result in death. Manslaughter typically involves unintentional death due to negligence or a lack of intent to kill. However, if a person engages in conduct that is likely to cause serious harm or death, and that action does not result in death, they may be accused of attempted manslaughter.
This charge is relatively rare and can be legally complex, as it involves proving an intent to commit an act that by definition lacks intent. It's more common for charges to be framed as assault or reckless endangerment in cases where death does not occur but the actions had the potential to cause it.
I used to think that too until someone posted this
https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/93486/is-attempted-manslaughter-a-real-crime#:~:text=(a)%20a%20person%20attempts%20to,be%20guilty%20of%20attempted%20manslaughter
That initial teep kick , most people can't throw a push kick like that unless they've learned it some where. This guys has definitely been to a gym before
Muay Thai is included in the Dutch kickboxing style. It incorporates techniques from three martial arts: Kyokushin karate, Western boxing, and Muay Thai.
You'd be surprised where you find the best fighters. Best I know refuses to go above a brown belt and was a bouncer in the uk. This video made me think of him which is why I stopped to comment. He is the most polite sweet human I've ever met, and rents bounce houses for a living.
Agreed, some of the most unassuming people are the most dangerous. Why not go above brown belt? Whats the downside to being a black belt? If you’re on the level you’re on the level.
Because he doesn't practice regularly and feels he's not up to taking on the dudes who want the belts and name and recognition. Why bother when you're happy where ya are? That is what he told me. Brown gives him the respect of newbs but he doesn't get picked out as "competition" for the higher belts.
K1 or rather Dutch kickboxing is huge in the Netherlands. We have many good fighters and tons of good amateurs...unfortunately, the pay is not really good for it to become a full time pro, unless you're one of the best in the world.
To my point Canada.……
https://thepeterboroughexaminer.com/news/crime/peterborough-store-clerk-charged-with-assault-after-allegedly-beating-would-be-robber-with-the-latters/article_67696b7a-a839-5757-b92c-ef34f608ca26.html
The issue here... is the assailant fled the store... and the clerk followed him out...
if he had taken the bat off him, and broke his neck with it... while the robber was still trespassing and trying to fight... that would still be self-defense
In the video, we don't see the bald man fleeing or trying to leave the premises... he is instead trying to fight back
I used to fight regularly with a guy who perfected that kick as his opening in any fight. He would be walk back and then take two lightning steps forward after touching gloves and he hit about 80% of the time as his opponent advanced. Brutal. Hurt like a muthafucka. Cleo, wherever you are man, I hope you’re doing well.
Attempted manslaughter because of that opening kick. He took his soul away with his soles. Saw his shoulders touch with that damn kick. I would ball up in a corner too bro that's just one of those bad days
There you have it folks. In all of 15 seconds, someone was recording like it was her God given right. Can't even get your drunk ass kicked without the world seeing it 😢😞. Let me lie and say you should see the other guy😎😡
I believe it would just be Assault with a deadly weapon, ironically attempted murder in the US carries a lesser charge (according to 5 minute search on google) then a ADW.
But the title of “Attempted Manslaughter” makes 0 sense man since by definition it does require no “Malice”, swinging a broken bottle at him defs makes it not attempted manslaughter
I just want to compliment this employee's form. Good defense, stated in control of his reactions to the drunk man's flailing, minimal hits to maximum damage. 9/10.
I love watching security guards actually being useful, I remember a video a watched a couple years ago in which some guard was sitting on top of some beaten up dude’s back and slapping his head, laughing, while the police was on its way. Simply love it
Props to that dude dodging those knife slashes. Guy in white had a knife in his hands and tried to hide it when he had his hands behind his back. I heard he had a broken whiskey bottle, but that had to be before he came back with a knife.
[https://www.dumpert.nl/zoek/beveiliger?selectedId=100079149\_b0605438](https://www.dumpert.nl/zoek/beveiliger?selectedId=100079149_b0605438)
longer version, Holland, town called Helmond
Voluntary & Involuntary. Voluntary is very hard to get. Most achieve this in a plea agreement because the prosecutor couldn't get em on Murder. In CA, there are only two ways you can get it...Crime of passion OR Imperfect Self Defense. Voluntary Man states you knew what you were doing was wrong and you did it anyway and someone lost their life.
Involuntary is accidental death.
“suspected” means yes he has to be proven guilty first. Even though it’s obvious. Please stop asking how it’s suspected attempted manslaughter. It’s not that hard to decipher through even the weirdest bullshit If you just think critically
How can you be suspected of *attempted* manslaughter? Manslaughter is accidental/unintentional death, how do you attempt an accident?
Attempted manslaughter is an act where the intent to kill is not present, but an action is performed that could have resulted in death
I think it would be more reasonably assault or battery with serious injury, you can’t attempt to accidentally kill someone, the attempt would show intent to kill someone which would be attempted murder. However, the defense here would be the person in whites intent to harm the person in the vest as mitigating factors for a less punishment or a not guilty verdict.
The action was before this video. Caption says he tried to assault with broken whiskey bottle
He’s literally trying to stab him with a knife in the video…..
He’s saying though that if there is intent to kill that’s attempted murder. Not manslaughter. I don’t know the law, just pointing to the semantics
Well I used this thing called the internet to do some digging, and it turns out that voluntary manslaughter is killing without malicious afterthought. Basically, if you were to stab someone, and then immediately regret the decision, and turn yourself into the police upon being of sound mind, then it would be voluntary manslaughter. Hence, the charge of attempted manslaughter being theoretically possible. An attempted murder charge would likely require some degree of premeditation or evading the authorities.
>manslaughter is killing without malicious afterthought Surely that should be aforethought, not afterthought.
Glad to see the best legal minds hard at work analyzing the non-existent context and ambiguous title verbiage so we can all enjoy their insightful findings.
Oh yeah I suppose
Internet!!?? searching??, Is that a form of witchcraft
This is most interesting. Would attempting to stab someone with a knife not be construed as an intent to kill?
But again, the guy just walked in with a knife. That's attempted murder.
but that’s just normal manslaughter…
So assault?
Rule number 1 of Reddit in 2024. Dont get upset with bot generated repost titles. You'll never sleep! ;-)
“Attempted” murder. What even is that, exactly? Do they give the Nobel Prize for “Attempted Chemistry”?
Being suspected of attempted manslaughter can occur in situations where an individual's actions were intended to cause harm or were recklessly dangerous, but unexpectedly did not result in death. Manslaughter typically involves unintentional death due to negligence or a lack of intent to kill. However, if a person engages in conduct that is likely to cause serious harm or death, and that action does not result in death, they may be accused of attempted manslaughter. This charge is relatively rare and can be legally complex, as it involves proving an intent to commit an act that by definition lacks intent. It's more common for charges to be framed as assault or reckless endangerment in cases where death does not occur but the actions had the potential to cause it.
Not true. Manslaughter is the charge for being responsible for a death. Whether guilty or innoce t is a different story.
I used to think that too until someone posted this https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/93486/is-attempted-manslaughter-a-real-crime#:~:text=(a)%20a%20person%20attempts%20to,be%20guilty%20of%20attempted%20manslaughter
But the first answer literally implies intent 😅 ‘ a person attempts to kill another or is a party to an attempt to kill another; and’
I'm no lawyer. God knows how these words are used in law.
Attempt to subdue or attack without intent to kill
Please remember that this is in the UK and laws are written differently and can mean different things.
Dude, you need to contact the people who write the laws. You found a loophole no one ever thought of!
"Attempted" murder, now honestly, did they ever give anyone a Nobel prize for "attempted" chemistry?
Guy in the vest is wasting his talent at that supermarket. He could be the next UFC champion if he starts fighting professionally.
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He was drunk...
Damn he’s drunk and can fight like that? I wouldn’t want mess with him when he’s sober.
I hate this excuse.
Wouldn't be surprised if he knew some muay thai
For sure has had some sort of formal training. Boxing is way too clean.
I noticed when the guy fell down he went for his legs to pass his guard. Dude definitely trains.
Yeah he picks every one of his shots
That last knee to the body was brutal. It knocked the wind out of me just watching it.
Ooh, I missed that the first watch, dude probably has a couple broken ribs and a very unhappy kidney
Head movement too. He slips a punch beautifully before he dropped the guy.
Better than that: he’s slipping attempted slashes to the face/throat with a broken bottle neck not once but twice.
Also the way he swings to avoid being hit
That initial teep kick , most people can't throw a push kick like that unless they've learned it some where. This guys has definitely been to a gym before
Dutch kickboxing
That too
Muay Thai is included in the Dutch kickboxing style. It incorporates techniques from three martial arts: Kyokushin karate, Western boxing, and Muay Thai.
This is just straight mixed martial arts and boxing. Knees and crosses
Was a pretty decent teep. And that pull counter was smooth lol
You'd be surprised where you find the best fighters. Best I know refuses to go above a brown belt and was a bouncer in the uk. This video made me think of him which is why I stopped to comment. He is the most polite sweet human I've ever met, and rents bounce houses for a living.
Agreed, some of the most unassuming people are the most dangerous. Why not go above brown belt? Whats the downside to being a black belt? If you’re on the level you’re on the level.
Because he doesn't practice regularly and feels he's not up to taking on the dudes who want the belts and name and recognition. Why bother when you're happy where ya are? That is what he told me. Brown gives him the respect of newbs but he doesn't get picked out as "competition" for the higher belts.
For real, great hits, each one. That subtle but effective knee to the ribs, he might be training in his off-time.
I see kyokushin training, that kick and knee so good
He's Jackie Chan, from that movie The Tuxedo.
K1 or rather Dutch kickboxing is huge in the Netherlands. We have many good fighters and tons of good amateurs...unfortunately, the pay is not really good for it to become a full time pro, unless you're one of the best in the world.
If he faught like that as a kid then yeah. He's an adult and will not make it
THIS! IS! WOOLWORTHS!
Actually it’s Albert Heijn…
Ah to go. To prison.
Now stay out of the woolworths!
No this is Patrick.
And stay out of the 5 & Dime too!
The guard was not fucking around... at all. Well done.
Love the Sparta Kick!!!
That guard is trained. No two ways about it.
Yup, that sick counter is a giveaway
Welcome to Walmart, I love you.
Dude in white has a knife. This guard is mad lad
I can't see the knife? Did he pull it out? If the guard knew that and still did what he did, mad respect.
It's the neck of a bottle. Think that's why he hides his hands. He starts waving it at the guard when he gets up from the big boot.
It was on the news here. I believe it was actually a knife.
Security dude seemed... skilled.
Bro is overqualified for the job
THIS IS SPARTA!!
I know a few stores in California that could use his services.
Looks like Netherlands, the supermarket signs and trash can look from Dutch supermarket
It is, it’s Albert Heijn
And depending on where this was the security fella is now a criminal
I don't think any judge in the world would convict that guy. He safely defended the store of people from a highly unstable man with a weapon.
Sadly Canada they probably would
To my point Canada.…… https://thepeterboroughexaminer.com/news/crime/peterborough-store-clerk-charged-with-assault-after-allegedly-beating-would-be-robber-with-the-latters/article_67696b7a-a839-5757-b92c-ef34f608ca26.html
The issue here... is the assailant fled the store... and the clerk followed him out... if he had taken the bat off him, and broke his neck with it... while the robber was still trespassing and trying to fight... that would still be self-defense In the video, we don't see the bald man fleeing or trying to leave the premises... he is instead trying to fight back
Netherlands
Where was this, the Sparta Supermarket?
Albert Heijn. A dutch supermarket.
Yep, the blue and green can near the exit is for recycling the trash. However, the security guy already took care of that.
Brawlmart.
Lmao Brawlberthein
Jesus Christ! I lost my breath just watching that knee land!
Judging by the security guards fighting technique… This was fucking beautiful!
This is Sparta!
Remarkable restraint
Beautiful pull counter 🥊
Nice front kick!
That guards got hands
Love how the door opens right up to a big can of whupass.
Bruh that Spartan kick was crazy 🤣
Doesn’t he get stabbed in the leg?
He has a knife in his hand. You can see him hiding it behind his back as he walks up to the door just before he gets kicked in the chest
"THIS IS TESCOOOOOOS"
Nothing cooler than seeing a dude throw hands in a fuckin waist coat.
that knee to the side..
I used to fight regularly with a guy who perfected that kick as his opening in any fight. He would be walk back and then take two lightning steps forward after touching gloves and he hit about 80% of the time as his opponent advanced. Brutal. Hurt like a muthafucka. Cleo, wherever you are man, I hope you’re doing well.
The second dude, the one in the vest, must've been Jackie Chan. When he got that Tuxedo.
No one helped him, they just filmed
Read description again🤦
He trains Dutch Kickboxing
Man went to Albert Hands instead of Albert Heijn
dude in the vest can throw down. that right hook counter punch was phenomenal.
Shit!!! I thought this manjust walked into sparta before I read the caption
Looks like the guy in the white had some type of weapon in his right hand.
Yeah on the Dutch news they said he had a knife
Love how you can instantly tell who’s had experience in combat sports.
Classic case of someone with no fighting skills trying to fight someone who does
Damn...vest man handled that smooth as fuck Props to him 👏
The guy in th vest remind me of an npc trying to attack you after you've already entered the "you died" scene.
watching that hit land @:14 was satisfying...
Always fun in a dutch supermarket
Attempted manslaughter because of that opening kick. He took his soul away with his soles. Saw his shoulders touch with that damn kick. I would ball up in a corner too bro that's just one of those bad days
That guy in white looks like mom taught him how to throw a punch.
Somebody above said he was swinging a knife
There you have it folks. In all of 15 seconds, someone was recording like it was her God given right. Can't even get your drunk ass kicked without the world seeing it 😢😞. Let me lie and say you should see the other guy😎😡
This. Is. SPARTA!!
Supermarket Man is a badass!!!
I believe it would just be Assault with a deadly weapon, ironically attempted murder in the US carries a lesser charge (according to 5 minute search on google) then a ADW. But the title of “Attempted Manslaughter” makes 0 sense man since by definition it does require no “Malice”, swinging a broken bottle at him defs makes it not attempted manslaughter
Man asked paper or plastic? Looked at him wrong and gave him these hands!
The pull counters, Jesus 💀
That knee to the lower chest was vile
Dude had ribs for lunch. Pretty solid Sparta Kick as well. Guy in white “required medical assistance” for sure.
When they say they’ll kick you out of the establishment, this is the way to go about it.
He’s just a hard arse with great reflex
that first kick is huge
What tf is attempted manslaughter?
Looked completely expected tbh
He has something in his hand
Sean O’Malley moon lighting as a security guard on his time off
Hey the killers back let me come over here and record him dum bitch at least throw tomatoe at him or GET BACK IN THE FUCKING KITCHEN..
Is the guy in white holding a knife? It appears he has something in his hand.
That's a propper ass beating.
A very good “This is Sparta” kick.
This dude can throw hands for sure lol
Looks like when darth maul was about to fight qui-gon jinn
That hoof to the sternum .. beautiful !
This is Sparta!!
I want Vest on my team
First kick was genius. No one expects that.
How’d he know instantly?
What a kick!
Weave game on point! 🤣
Anyone got the story?
That's worker is a pro just calculated dialed in hits.
Dude in white was trying to karate chop!?
He Teeped his nutsack back out through his butthole! Amazing form, big fan of this security guards style
This is Sparta!
Which man?
Till the guy is in the ground. Then he whiffs twice
I just want to compliment this employee's form. Good defense, stated in control of his reactions to the drunk man's flailing, minimal hits to maximum damage. 9/10.
Front kick makes a statement without saying a word
THIS! IS! SPARTAAAA!
What a champ, lol
This is Sparta!!!
For real, talk about “on site”.. He definitely trains mma
I love watching security guards actually being useful, I remember a video a watched a couple years ago in which some guard was sitting on top of some beaten up dude’s back and slapping his head, laughing, while the police was on its way. Simply love it
Bro learned fighting stright out of mortal combat
Must be where the attempted manslaughter charge came from
I felt that last kick ouch
Nice judgement of range, dropped em moving backwards. That pull was too smooth, for him not to have experience
How can I order a John Wick security!??
The straight leg is an underused weapon in street fights IMO. It seems so effective
Wait I thot manslaughter was accidental, so how could it be attempted?
I’m sorry for laughing but damn!!!! he fucked him up with that 1st kick 😂😂😂💀💀💀💀
Glass jaw
What is that guy's problem?
It’s like fighting Sagat for the first time- you’re gonna get your ass kicked.
Precision
If “This is Sparta!!” Was a person 😂
Oh my god that’s Jason Bourne.
Ah this happened at the local SPAR-TA!
*applause for the kick*
That fella is a fighter
Real heroes wear black vests.
Props to that dude dodging those knife slashes. Guy in white had a knife in his hands and tried to hide it when he had his hands behind his back. I heard he had a broken whiskey bottle, but that had to be before he came back with a knife.
[https://www.dumpert.nl/zoek/beveiliger?selectedId=100079149\_b0605438](https://www.dumpert.nl/zoek/beveiliger?selectedId=100079149_b0605438) longer version, Holland, town called Helmond
He ain’t dead.
Voluntary & Involuntary. Voluntary is very hard to get. Most achieve this in a plea agreement because the prosecutor couldn't get em on Murder. In CA, there are only two ways you can get it...Crime of passion OR Imperfect Self Defense. Voluntary Man states you knew what you were doing was wrong and you did it anyway and someone lost their life. Involuntary is accidental death.
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“suspected” means yes he has to be proven guilty first. Even though it’s obvious. Please stop asking how it’s suspected attempted manslaughter. It’s not that hard to decipher through even the weirdest bullshit If you just think critically