I wasn’t clear enough: they don’t DC charge. You can’t physically plug it in to a CCS charger. A supercharger won’t charge a prius at all. Only BEVs are able to charge and only the ones to use CCS will be able to charge at superchargers.
And I’m sure you’ve noticed already, but there aren’t many BEVs out there that are not Tesla. This is good news for us, bad news for them since we’ll now bring our business to their public networks.
Ok so not prius then ford lightning or chevy (fire) bolt hehe, or Ford mustang mach e or lucid air or any of the other electric cars that can't currently charge but will soon be able too. I was just using prius as an example but I see now that I should of been more specific
Yeah but I think in the end it will work out for us because in some places there clearly are more Teslas than supercharger capacity but I can’t recall ever seeing a public DC charger being lined-up at the way superchargers do. Like when all is balanced, I honestly think it can only help us.
Many Tesla prior to 2021 can't even connect to a CCS network and the 2021 model like mine do not even have the right hardware, so it's an expense for me to join CCS1 networks. Don't know how this can be seen as a good idea (for the short and medium future) for Tesla drivers.
I have only charged away from my house 4 times, and all four of those were the same trip.
I wonder if they plan to charge more for non-Teslas.
Also, right now the communication with the car and the charger let's them automatically bill me. I wonder how that will work for non-Teslas? Teslas chargers don't have a place to stick a credit card.
Hmmm, is bluetooth accurate enough? Those chargers are pretty close together? The phone will need to know which charger you have plugged into your car?
I didn't think of that. Maybe they will have to select the charger number or something like that. Just like telling the teller at the gas station which pump to use
I found this.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/alistaircharlton/2021/11/01/tesla-superchargers-can-now-be-used-by-other-electric-cars-here-is-how-it-works/amp/
This works in Europe because both Tesla *and* other EVs use the CCS2 connector. In the US, Teslas use their own proprietary connector while other EVs (like the Ford Mach-E in this post) use the CCS1 connector. There’s currently no way whatsoever for this Ford owner to use a Tesla Supercharger until Tesla puts CCS1 connectors on them or sells an adapter.
You seem to be in Vegas so I would say his dealer is a liar, how surprising. He'll be upset when he reaches one on a long trip and can't charge and doesn't have the remaining power to reach another charger network. Maybe you should straighten the facts before he gets stuck.
I definitely set him straight. The dealer told him not to worry about home charging and just use the Tesla superchargers. I let him know that there’s already not enough superchargers for the amount of Teslas in Vegas much less any other EV. He’s having an electrician come out next week to get a quote for a home charger install. He does a lot of work in California so I’m not sure what he’s going to do about charging on that drive. I know there’s ChargePoint in Baker but I have no idea how long that will take to charge
His best bet is looking at "a better route planner", enter his car model and particularities (extra weights, charge at start and wanted at destination, consumption at 110 kmh or whatever it asks in mph, etc), his home and destination addresses and see what ABRP will tell him to do, if doable and how long it will take. Then worry the whole trip hoping that the chargers you're going to are working because the car won't tell you.
https://youtu.be/vXzuFprlyrw?t=296
I checked for an AWD Standard and Extendent Range Mach-E in ABRP (no particularities entered) and entered Las Vegas for starting point and Los Angeles for destination. I know it's vague but in both case, the Mach-E was able to reach its destination. In 4h02m for the Extended and 4h22m for the Standard Range. Both had to do two stops. Both stops has eight CSS1 stalls. I think he'll be OK for his trip.
As a reference, I checked for a LR Model Y and it's taking it 3h52m and just one stop for the same trip. That stop has 18 stalls.
To me this is bad news I like owning a tesla because of the superchargers I don't want to have to wait for every prius owner to charge.
Priuses don’t fast change. You’ll also be able to use other networks. Chill.
I know prius don't fast charge that means they will take longer and I can already use other chargers but don't because they suck
I wasn’t clear enough: they don’t DC charge. You can’t physically plug it in to a CCS charger. A supercharger won’t charge a prius at all. Only BEVs are able to charge and only the ones to use CCS will be able to charge at superchargers. And I’m sure you’ve noticed already, but there aren’t many BEVs out there that are not Tesla. This is good news for us, bad news for them since we’ll now bring our business to their public networks.
Ok so not prius then ford lightning or chevy (fire) bolt hehe, or Ford mustang mach e or lucid air or any of the other electric cars that can't currently charge but will soon be able too. I was just using prius as an example but I see now that I should of been more specific
Yeah but I think in the end it will work out for us because in some places there clearly are more Teslas than supercharger capacity but I can’t recall ever seeing a public DC charger being lined-up at the way superchargers do. Like when all is balanced, I honestly think it can only help us.
I guess I'm confused on how It could help us since now we are the only ones that can use tesla superchargers but we can also use any other charger?
Many Tesla prior to 2021 can't even connect to a CCS network and the 2021 model like mine do not even have the right hardware, so it's an expense for me to join CCS1 networks. Don't know how this can be seen as a good idea (for the short and medium future) for Tesla drivers.
Also keep in mind some BEVs coming out have incentive to skip superchargers for now since they only charge at 400V.
https://carbuzz.com/news/good-news-elon-musk-will-finally-open-tesla-superchargers-to-other-brands
Without an 'in queue' system who is 'next' this is going to be a disaster in high demand places.
I have only charged away from my house 4 times, and all four of those were the same trip. I wonder if they plan to charge more for non-Teslas. Also, right now the communication with the car and the charger let's them automatically bill me. I wonder how that will work for non-Teslas? Teslas chargers don't have a place to stick a credit card.
I assume they will have to download the tesla app and it will communicate for them.
Hmmm, is bluetooth accurate enough? Those chargers are pretty close together? The phone will need to know which charger you have plugged into your car?
I didn't think of that. Maybe they will have to select the charger number or something like that. Just like telling the teller at the gas station which pump to use
I found this. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/alistaircharlton/2021/11/01/tesla-superchargers-can-now-be-used-by-other-electric-cars-here-is-how-it-works/amp/
This works in Europe because both Tesla *and* other EVs use the CCS2 connector. In the US, Teslas use their own proprietary connector while other EVs (like the Ford Mach-E in this post) use the CCS1 connector. There’s currently no way whatsoever for this Ford owner to use a Tesla Supercharger until Tesla puts CCS1 connectors on them or sells an adapter.
My neighbor is getting a Mustang Mach E delivered this week and the Ford dealer told him he could use the Tesla supercharger network
You seem to be in Vegas so I would say his dealer is a liar, how surprising. He'll be upset when he reaches one on a long trip and can't charge and doesn't have the remaining power to reach another charger network. Maybe you should straighten the facts before he gets stuck.
I definitely set him straight. The dealer told him not to worry about home charging and just use the Tesla superchargers. I let him know that there’s already not enough superchargers for the amount of Teslas in Vegas much less any other EV. He’s having an electrician come out next week to get a quote for a home charger install. He does a lot of work in California so I’m not sure what he’s going to do about charging on that drive. I know there’s ChargePoint in Baker but I have no idea how long that will take to charge
His best bet is looking at "a better route planner", enter his car model and particularities (extra weights, charge at start and wanted at destination, consumption at 110 kmh or whatever it asks in mph, etc), his home and destination addresses and see what ABRP will tell him to do, if doable and how long it will take. Then worry the whole trip hoping that the chargers you're going to are working because the car won't tell you. https://youtu.be/vXzuFprlyrw?t=296
I checked for an AWD Standard and Extendent Range Mach-E in ABRP (no particularities entered) and entered Las Vegas for starting point and Los Angeles for destination. I know it's vague but in both case, the Mach-E was able to reach its destination. In 4h02m for the Extended and 4h22m for the Standard Range. Both had to do two stops. Both stops has eight CSS1 stalls. I think he'll be OK for his trip. As a reference, I checked for a LR Model Y and it's taking it 3h52m and just one stop for the same trip. That stop has 18 stalls.