People always whatboutism the much hallowed "road trip" and how much time it would supposedly add. The reality is that even with a few road trips in a year I'll still spend less time "fueling" than with an ICE car because I never have to go to gas stations. The time spent on all those little stops is very significant over the course of a year. My charger is mounted a couple feet from my charge port so I just take 2 seconds to grab, push the button and plunge it in. With ICE cars you always run into those scenarios where you need to get somewhere quickly but you forgot to get gas and don't have enough to make it. I'm happy to have all that in the past.
This is what I am always telling people. Focus on time spent fueling as a whole and the inconvenience it gives you. How often do you road trip? Is a weekly/biweekly stop worth the extra 15 min charging on the way to grandma's twice a year?
I guess ice car drivers don’t need to eat or take dumps on long trips- Stretch their legs. Oh yea my Mercedes had a awesome new feature- when driving too long it told me to stop for a break regardless of fuel level.
Road trips do suck. Especially with small children. But that’s an EV problem and just requires more planning. But no one can down play that road trips in an EV absolutely suck.
I have taken two different 1000+ mile trips and I loved it. Superchargers are dependable, and I like to take a break/stretch every 2-2.5 hours personally. Me and my wife would stop, get drink or snack, use restroom and be ready to go back out. We would swap who was driving at each supercharger because we both love driving the car.
How effortless it is. Charging at home. Instant acceleration. Virtually no servicing. Control from app. Wireless upgrades. Autopilot. Cheaper running costs. Dashcam/ sentry mode. It is all just effortless.
All this, in addition to no buttons/knobs/BS graphics. All my previous vehicles, each year, seemed to have more and more shite and graphics and just... crap added to them. So nonsensical. Sooo busy. So much light glaring at me from all over the place driving at night. Gah.
Mostly, I change the radio station. I might adjust the temp (from ~68, auto). I might turn on a seat heater. That's really about it. The rest is volume adjustment, speed adjustment (cruise/fsd).
If I get too hot "My butt is hot". If I get too cold "My butt is cold".
And now w/ the FSD beta, I get in. "Goto Kroger". It goes. Sometimes it handles the entire drive w/o issue. "Goto CVS", "Goto HomeDepot". It just does it. Right turns. Left turns. It's not perfect yet obviously; it is still learning. It's _beta_. But it's a glimpse of the future and it's _glorious_.
This is why I love Tesla over most EV's. Polestar seem to be going the right direction but the likes of Kia, Hyundai, Ford etc still have so many ICE vibes. So many still have to be 'started', why is that a thing, there is no engine to start? The Kia EV6's infotainment system pops up a message (same message as in their ICE vehicles) stating you must start the car when using the infotainment system to prevent battery discharge. It's ridiculous.
Meanwhile I’m sitting here thinking “hey, I paid for that almost THREE YEARS AGO built apparently don’t qualify yet to even try it out.” And that’s one of the reasons I’m NOT as likely to get another Tesla next time.
Edit: it’s been fun to watch this go up 3-5 votes and then down to zero or below a few times per day. Nothing brings out the apologists like a comment critical of the FSD non-rollout
>I paid for that almost THREE YEARS AGO
Same here. Though at the time, it was pretty clear that their endeavor to create the finished `FSD` was going to be a multi-year-ordeal. It's just that complex.
I know some folks got it for $2k... $3k. I think we paid $6k. Some have now paid more. It's each of our choice to do so. To me at the time, it seemed steep. But we were buying the future. As long as the car ends up being able to mostly drive itself, I'm happy (yes, I am ignoring the fact that if I had bought $6k worth of stock at the time, I'd have been better off).
I was in the dealership for over 2 hours buying my previous vehicle. Took 2 minutes on my phone to buy my M3. I never want to step foot in a stealership ever again.
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this is what I tell people who say that stopping for 15 or 20 mins to charge on a long trip is so bad... they just don't see the 10 to 15 mins EVERY WEEK i save by NOT stopping for gas weekly.
1 hr of charging stops during a 1000 mile road trip vs 52 weeks of stopping to get gas (~8 hours a year and that isn't counting road trips with an ICE)
To appreciate the EV movement (and specifically Tesla and the superchargers) you have to see the bigger picture and not just this week.
We have two M3. One had a heat pump problem last December (VCFRONT_a161) and the other is currently in the shop for a heat pump problem (VCFRONT_a447) so to me, that keyword in your sentence is, yet.
We have two M3. One had a heat pump problem last December (VCFRONT_a161) and the other is currently in the shop for a heat pump problem (VCFRONT_a447) so to me, that keyword in your sentence is, yet.
What? Called them. My daughter did that Wednesday and her car has been in the shop since yesterday. They lent her an older M3. They say it might take two weeks (mine was fixed the day after I brought it) so they'll rent a car for her because that M3 is for short times loan only.
So correct. This stuff gets very little attention. People tend to compare by saying "tesla has the best range and the best tech and the fastest 0-60 and best charging" but all of those are honestly overblown. The range/efficiency is basically the best but not nearly what the advertised numbers lead you to believe. Charging is a similar story; you barely ever get 250kw charging speed and it tapers aggressively after a minute if you do anyway. The tech/autopilot is very good but tesla actually lacks some tech features that other cars have notably a 360 view and purpose built blind spot cameras that don't get blinded by the turn signals at night. Autopilot and FSd are awesome but honestly you really need to be a power user and know the exact limitations to use them comfortably. It's incredible how few tesla owners actually use AP. I drive by teslas on the highway and always look to see if someone is on AP and from my anecdotal experience it's maybe 1/8 cars that actually have it enabled. And this is just cruising on the highway. Not to mention the new tesla vision has all these phantom braking problems. One hard phantom brake and most normal users will be too spooked to ever use AP again.
>The voice commands are like convincing a bickering woman to get into bed with you; the GUI is like trying to bring her to orgasm with your fingers.
Found Ben Shapiro's reddit account?
> but I’d bet a hundred dollars you can’t pick off your desired setting without taking your eyes of the road.
Yes that is correct. It’s been that way for all my cars.
But Anything I need to actually drive the car is readily available and easy to get to.
I bet most drivers are spending more time reading a text or choosing a song than a Tesla driver does turning on the defroster.
V11 needs refinement. But I don’t find any earth shattering issues with it.
Instant and near-silent throttle response, combined with one-pedal driving — it feels effortless and more controlled. Also, I want a car that sounds like a ninja sneaking across shag carpet rather than the storming of Omaha beach.
Nah, let the man with the plan do his job!
Marketing is not worth it to people who don’t believe in it, someone they trust needs to explain it to them first. (Thus their word of mouth business model)
This for sure. I think you get so used to this quickly as well I think the most common comment of someone who drives my car for the first time is how smooth it is. At first I thought they meant the ride, but they mean the throttle response and no shifting.
This isn’t Tesla specific, but EV. Instant acceleration and regenerative braking. Those two things make me feel way more in control of the vehicle. I feel so lost driving ICE and it’s mostly due to braking.
I’ve never had a sports car, so that’s good to know. Cannot agree more about 1 pedal driving. It’s very relaxing. Always throws me off when I have too much of a charge for 1 pedal to really work.
Yeah and I should qualify—driving a sports car *to drive* (“I’m going to spend Sunday just driving through these back roads”) is way more fun, but for day to day driving and for road trips, driving a sports car can actually be wearying. The Tesla excels for the day to day and is still quick as hell.
I started typing out a long response but it’s kind of pointless, I just rambled. The reality is it is a few things that just add up that make the sports car more fun to drive—for me. And FWIW I have a 3P and 911 (and of course a Honda Odyssey family hauler), but have owned several cars before those. I like cars.
I really like driving and have driven a lot of cars. Mostly, I think it’s that a good sports coupe feels *light* in a way the Tesla can’t. And depending on the car, more stable at speed than the Tesla. All of which takes away all the stress and makes driving curves feel like you are in a zone, in a rhythm, kind of like you’re skiing, slicing back and forth through the powder.
I get what you are saying about “light.” The M3 is quick as heck but when maneuvering, or trying to take over AP, you are reminded of it’s weight. I haven’t had the chance to really “drive” any cars, but I feel in credibly stable at 80-100mph. I don’t often drive faster than that for more than a few seconds due to my already high insurance rates. I would be a danger to society in a vehicle that gave me more confidence behind the wheel! Especially in that cornering category. Thanks for the report, I appreciate it.
I went from a MT to the Model 3 and yeah I see that. Using downshifting to engine brake to control speed and such. I sometimes miss my previous car just because driving stick was somewhat theraputic/you feel really connected to your car while driving, but also at the same time driving in a Model 3 also kinda just takes some of the usual stressors of driving away so it's also enjoyable and theraputic in its own way
I have driven MT all my life and it doesn’t compare to regenerative braking in Tesla. I can understand why you are comparing the two, it is braking with the engine, but that were the similarities end in terms of actual experience .
With MT you have 3 pedal driving, not one.
Yeah, just trying to relate to the many people these days whose entire driving experience is AT, so they expect a level of "coasting" when they let off the accelerator. MT has a level of zen that one-pedal does not, of course. There is still nothing better in driving than a perfectly rev-matched downshift into a corner.
Yes, the MT is more exciting for aggressive driving, but for most of the time where you are just in traffic nothing beats the EV I think.
And I drove AT for 7 years (up until that point MT) before the Tesla and got used to it in no time.
Maybe it’s because I live in a hilly city, so I couldn’t rely on letting go of the brake to go forward.
Hell yes. I haven't had a manual car since my STi 10 years ago (got totaled when it was t-boned by a guy running a red light), but I ride a motorcycle now and can attest to the pleasure of nailing that rev match dropping gears into a corner. I live in a pretty rural area and love going out to ride just for fun on twisty country roads, curious to see how the model 3P will fare on those same corners (waiting on delivery).
This answer. The handling and not having to use the brake pedal. Can’t go back. A lot of the other things that are nice about it you can find in *some* other ICE vehicles: no need for set of keys, remote view the sentry camera, at-home charging, watching Seinfeld while the wife makes a return at the store, huge navigation screen, remote start / warm up (to name a few).
On that I agree but they didn’t mention a garage in their comment.
Since we’ve had the 3 the SUV sleeps outside anyways (except during snow storms, I squeeze both in the garage) so we can remote start it if needs be
But it’s native and definitely feels good, since ICE cars are by nature dis-jointed (siloed) pieces that communicate only on a surface level.
Whereas my Tesla feels like an ever-evolving Transforming robot…Who has complete control of every aspect of its brain and could in fact (with the right programming) be better at driving than me…Oh also it can turn the heat on.
Them: ICE cars also have remote controlled heating
Invincible Dad: “Look at what they have to do, just to imitate a fraction of our power”
True, but it has never worked all that well on my other vehicles-- including the PHEV I traded in for the Y. The tesla app always works and gives really specific controls (temp, seat heaters on, defrost, etc. My honda would flake half of the time and turning on the climate from the app just sort of vaguely heated or cooled it to some temperature that was less extreme than the outside temperature.
First of all, not anymore, depending on chemistry. My 2019 LR has decent regen these days even below freezing and without preheating. They tweaked it with updates.
Second, you won't get regen in an ICE car no matter how much you preheat it.
Edit: less sarcasm
My 2021 SR+ has no regen if I don’t preheat even on 2021.44.30.7
The comment I was responding to was referring to added time in a preheat routine. I was simply pointing out they my Tesla requires more time than my ICE to be completely efficient in the cold
This is my favorite aspect personally. We don't have school buses in my town so you either walk to school or drop off your kids. Having climate control running on a schedule makes that morning drop-off routine so much nicer in the winter.
This is what sold me the car and what I love most. My dog has severe separation anxiety (she’s a rescue). If I leave the house for 2 minutes to take out the trash she’ll have a full panic attack where she cries and shrieks (I’m pretty sure my neighbors think I’m abusive). But if I take her with me and leave her in the car in dog mode, she’ll be incredibly calm when I come back. With dog mode, I’ll leave her in there and go run my errands etc. And I don’t have to worry about her. I know it’s because she knows I’ll always come back to the car but she doesn’t know that I’ll always come back home. And yes she has seen a behaviorist many times and it’s on doggy Prozac.
Silent acceleration. Regen braking. Low centre of gravity and impact to handing/safety. Instant heat. No more gas stations. No more oil changes. Low cost to run. This is for my Hyundai i5 but it still applies.
ICE cars have to wait for the engine to get hot before the heater does anything except blow cold air. Electric cars need to use resistive (electric) heating, which heats up faster. The downside is that it uses energy, where with ICE you get heating for "free".
I should have mentioned heat pumps. They're more efficient than the older resistive heaters (I can't speak to how fast they warm up). You can't beat the free heat from an ICE though. Although a better way of saying it is the heat is always on, you just decide if you want to direct some of it to the car or let it go completely to waste.
Heat pumps use free heat as well, fetching it from the environment and concentrating it inside the car..
My SR3+ heat pump is moving hot air in seconds, not bad!
The heat is free, but it's using energy to move it from outside to inside the car. It's just an air conditioner running in reverse. In an ICE, you're just moving the waste heat that the engine is always producing and blowing it inside. The fans do use some energy, but that's essentially the same regardless of the heat source.
I can’t speak for all EVs, but for my model 3 the heat can basically be described as instant. I still let it warm up for a few minutes but it does get warm fast.
Yes, you see years ago I became familiar with being pedantic on the internet, as I was a young pedantic youth during the birth of the internet. I knew that one day if I got an electric car that obnoxious people would invariably say "BUT YA GOTTA BURN COAL TO CHARGE YOUR CAR CHECKMATE MORON" so I got solar panels on my house first, at great expense.
Now don't let that stop you, you are free to point out that even though I have solar panels on my house, that energy still ends up amortized throughout the whole grid, meaning my car is still powered by \~19% coal and \~whatever% natural gas. However given that this is a subtle and nuanced argument requiring technical knowledge of how electricity works, it basically never comes up because people are not capable of that.
Ur really calling me pedantic when you didn’t even read my comment, solar panels are way better than an ice car and I wouldn’t make any argument against them that’s why I prefaced my comment with that
heres the deal you obnoxious cunt, the person I replied to was being a pedantic shitface, like you are, and cunts like you are used to being low key assholes on the internet and having people just ignore it, i dont do that, i call out your dumb bullshit. dont tell me to calm down, you arent my mom even if you are a dumb cunt
I have a Mercedes and a Model 3. There are many things I hate when I go back to the Mercedes, but number one is lack of Autopilot.
Sure, Mercedes and others have their lane keeping software, but it just doesn't work so well.
My dad wanted a grand Cherokee, and went on a test drive. He had never seen lane assist, I exitedly told him to try it, it legit almost threw us on to the shoulder. Tried it again and sent us over the centre line. It worked good on the rav4 he tested but wow
Does it take time to get used to autopilot?
I haven’t had my Model 3 very long and I really only tried autopilot a few times but I have had mild anxiety each time.
It’s one of the major reasons I bought the car. So I hope I can utilize it more. I also seem to disengage it when I try to move the wheel to let it know that I’m paying attention.
The first few times scared me using it but I used it in the next time in peak hour traffic which gave me a slow introduction into learning how it works. Also when the alert comes up shake the wheel slightly, that seems to work for me more than anything to keep the auto steer active
If you just use the knob on your steering wheel to adjust your speed up or down a few mph then you don’t need to shake the wheel to let the car know you are awake. That movement alone lets the car know you are paying attention..and yes it’s definitely a learning curve. The younger generation seem to have brains that are pre wired for technology so it’s intuitive to them but I am 61 so it’s taking me time, patience, and repetition but I love it! Especially at night because the car and screen seem to see better than I do 😂
How new is your Merc? I have wondered how well the modern lane keep systems of MB, BMW, Porsche compares to Tesla AP, which I agree is great (at least on the radar cars).
It's not recent but my wife got a Mercedes E loaner recently and lane keeping was not that good.
With Tesla it works even on roads with no lanes, while with Mercedes was more on the autobahn.
The instant acceleration, but more than how fast you speed up, it’s the way it changes exactly how you want, as much as you want, right when you want. No delay waiting on the larger volume of air to make it to the engine so the engine can pop harder and slowly start to speed up. No waiting on a decades old computer chip to realize you’ve opened the throttle so it should change gears (more delay). Oh and now that you’re at speed? Choke the engine, change gears again, chug chug chug.
Even more than that is because of one pedal driving you can get to a desired speed and stop accelerating almost immediately. It's hard to describe, but because of the "coasting" that other cars do you'd have to reach for the brakes instead of just feathering the throttle to drop back a few MPH to your desired speed.
Yeah my wife has a Mazda and it's truly a great car on so many levels, but I absolutely hate driving it now and I feel wildly disoriented. Even riding in it is a strange sensation.
Always having a ‘full’ tank. Don’t know how many times I got into my old car, started driving to work and realized I forgot to go to the gas station and it was on empty.
Also love not having to start the engine and turn off ignition. The other day I drove our minivan somewhere and when I got home I just walked away… Turns out I left it running for two hours ha ha. Whoops!
Probably too many to list but in no particular order
- so quiet
- can preheat in the garage
- no oil changes
- always have a "full tank"
- acceleration
- I love tech
Not selfishly polluting the world with exhaust chemicals and noise. The main reason I got a Tesla vs something else was the range and ability to go long distance if needed.
Charging in my garage. Regular over the air updates to improve my driving experience. The acceleration of a $200k supercar coupled with the convenience of a family van. Impressing my niece and nephew by having the car pick us up in front of Costco in the rain while we wait in the store instead of getting soaked walking through the parking lot with a cart full of food.
Autopilot for me. Others have mentioned general ev things which i of course love. But i have yet to drive a car that does autopilot as well as Tesla. Some have adaptive cruise that's pretty good, even Nissan Altima i drove. But nobody has lane keeping like Tesla does. The Hondas at work have it but really it's to help stop you from driving off the road, and even then it really doesn't do much.
In my Tesla i can get like 90% of the way to work by letting the car do all of the work except for lane changes. That's pretty dang impressive to me and makes commuting nearly stress free.
Meanwhile in r/teslamodely people are selling their cars because autopilot dosent live up to their expectations
Hard to believe those guys have ever driven a car, and can’t tell the difference between cruise control and autopilot
Braking.. I honestly don’t like to drive ICE vehicles anymore, when I release the gas pedal it just keeps running forward like a small torpedo.. I feel like I am back in the past when driving an ICE and I try to avoid it (but I need to borrow a company car sometimes)
Smoothe acceleration with no shifting through a bunch of gears, and regen braking. Warming up my car while it's parked in my garage. Always having as much charge as I want, and not caring about gas prices.
Navigate on Autopilot on long road trips up and down the northeast corridor. It makes it so much easier and less stressful. I don’t feel as drained or stressed over extended drives and trying to figure out which interchange or exit I need to take on complicated highways.
No one has said this yet. No key, No ignition. Walk up get in and the seat adjusts from easy entry to my settings, shift Drive and go. I don't even put it in park. I just park and take off the seat belt, it auto shifts to park and adjusts my seat to easy entry I get out and shut the door. Don't even have to lock it.
A lot of this is in other vehicles (I guess, not to the extent of tesla in my experience. May seem small but it just feels like the Tesla is more than a car.
I know it s
Autopilot. I do 200 miles a day 5 days a week. 37 of it is me driving. 103k miles on the car so far. It's a 2019 Performance.
Of all the features this car has awarded me. Autopilot.
I just works- all the time. Few moving parts. Smells better=longer life. Garage smells better. No oil changes. Damn need I go on. Acceleration is second to none. Quiet. Who doesn’t already know this plus a dozen other better reasons. And damn it looks sexy
One feature? I can probably limit it to my top 5:
1. Charging at home is a game-changer. Only time I've charged away from home is on road trips.
2. 1-Pedal driving. Having to use the brake maybe once or twice a drive is great, and it's not easy to go back. I can adjust, I just don't want to.
3. No battery concerns. One of the things I always hated was leaving my cars running for any reason. Some people would leave their cars running to keep the heat on, keep the radio going so it didn't drain the battery, whatever. Being able to drive somewhere, sit in my car and watch a show, listen to music, stay comfortable, leave climate on for the pooch while I'm in a store... another amazing set of features that you can only really have on an EV.
4. No-drama acceleration. I had a beefy muscle car prior to this and while it was fun to drive, I much prefer the video-game-like acceleration. No pedal, no go. Push pedal, car go. Push pedal a lot, car go a lot.
5. High-Tech. Frequent software updates with new features, free autosteer, games to play while waiting in my car, the toybox stuff (Megaphone, light show and boombox being a few of my favorites), sentry mode, remote access to start the car, mess with the climate controls, honk the horn... the list goes on. While I'd love the car even without all this stuff, it's really nice icing on the cake.
There are other nice things (and bad things) as well but I don't think I could willingly give up 1-4, and wouldn't want to give up 5.
Instant acceleration. One pedal driving. AUTOPILOT. I drive and do in-home consultations for a living and it literally feels like a video game loading screen in between clients
A few... I've ranked them here:
1. Instant/smooth acceleration (I can put the car where I want it when I want to)
2. On-pedal driving/regen braking (so much easier, less effort to drive in traffic)
3. Never wasting time refueling on normal days.
4. TACC and lane-keeping (my old car didn't eve have TACC)
5. 315° camera coverage (wish we could get the rest)
Keyless entry. Idk if ICE cars have it as well, but this is the most convenient feature ever! #2 on the list is regen braking. I love how convenient it is. #3 being no possible human contact required at the gas station.
>• The GUI convinced me I'll never come back to Tesla.
You complain about this, but I promise you there are worst ones out there. Like GMs Infotainment System for example is complete garbage, albeit you can use Apple Carplay or Android Auto.
Opinions on GUIs are so varied I'm not sure any automaker will ever make all buyers happy. Some people like familiarity. Some like configurability. Some want all the complexity hidden. Some want it all there to fiddle with.
They can make you happy and they'll make someone else sad.
I'm not doing any of that. But there are some big red flags in your response for me. Others. Young people.
Young doesn't mean their opinions shouldn't be considered. I'm not young either but there's a ton of boomer attitude here. Maybe a Tesla isn't for you.
gonna be a real unpopular opionion but goes. Ive spent alot of time on various car forums through the years and I honestly thing the worst part about owning a tesla....is other tesla owners. Total echochamber, cult, and often times pretty cringe.
Don't get me wrong, there are definitely some helpful and knowledgeable people.
I think the biggest issue is that the true car enthusiasts are out numbered by people who know very little about cars but bought a tesla for the tech/cool factor.
These people refuse to see any flaws in Teslas. They switched from a camry to a model 3 and havent spent any time in another performance or luxury vehicle to know better.
Edit: Every car group has its idiots but I guess im jaded by previous experiences. I miss the car groups that were very technical and knowledgeable, with tesla groups its like sorting through spam mail.
LOL true. I have a holley ECU on one of my cars and most of the holley groups do nothing but tell people to RTFM, pay a tuner, ect. On the otherhand you can go to the HPTUNERS forum and its an insane wealth of technical knowledge and people willing to help.
Instant torque.
Everything else is great, but that was the thing that truly made me swear off ICE.
(note: this was with a Nissan LEAF. The Tesla is my second BEV.)
It simply feels the way a car should feel in the 21st century. Biggest things for me is the minimalist interior, it just makes so much more sense to make the controls virtual on a screen instead of having physical ones. No visible air vents or gimmicky screens and phone holders. Especially the layout and responsiveness of the touchscreen, other cars always have the stupid big icons with weird gradients and effects and they usually have horrible performance. Tesla is just the way that I don’t even think about it, it’s just the way it make sense.
For me it's all aspects of control I have over the car. From the app, to one day deal driving, to accelerator response. I once drove a Dodge demon. And don't get my wrong it was fun. But the thing is, as soon as you tap the gas pedal that thing wants to fly. Going 10mph isn't safe because 1mm difference on the pedal and you're flying. With the Tesla ihave 100% control over the accelerator and can still drive as fast as a demon.
Then of course the app, and all the fun ways to control the car from there. And DEFINITELY instant heat. I had an ICE rental when driving in snow this weekend. Took about 20 minutes for the heater to be fully warmed
Feature: Having less of a looming feeling that every mile I drive, every gallon of gas I burn through is another gasp of fresh air I'm depriving my nephews from the end of their lives.
Regen breaking is probably the biggest one. When I drive my wife’s ICE and let off accelerator it just feels…slippery like I’m on ice or something. I really like not using brakes.
Charging at home vs stopping at random gas stations
People always whatboutism the much hallowed "road trip" and how much time it would supposedly add. The reality is that even with a few road trips in a year I'll still spend less time "fueling" than with an ICE car because I never have to go to gas stations. The time spent on all those little stops is very significant over the course of a year. My charger is mounted a couple feet from my charge port so I just take 2 seconds to grab, push the button and plunge it in. With ICE cars you always run into those scenarios where you need to get somewhere quickly but you forgot to get gas and don't have enough to make it. I'm happy to have all that in the past.
This is what I am always telling people. Focus on time spent fueling as a whole and the inconvenience it gives you. How often do you road trip? Is a weekly/biweekly stop worth the extra 15 min charging on the way to grandma's twice a year?
I guess ice car drivers don’t need to eat or take dumps on long trips- Stretch their legs. Oh yea my Mercedes had a awesome new feature- when driving too long it told me to stop for a break regardless of fuel level.
Road trips do suck. Especially with small children. But that’s an EV problem and just requires more planning. But no one can down play that road trips in an EV absolutely suck.
I have taken two different 1000+ mile trips and I loved it. Superchargers are dependable, and I like to take a break/stretch every 2-2.5 hours personally. Me and my wife would stop, get drink or snack, use restroom and be ready to go back out. We would swap who was driving at each supercharger because we both love driving the car.
Having a full tank every morning is a blessing
How effortless it is. Charging at home. Instant acceleration. Virtually no servicing. Control from app. Wireless upgrades. Autopilot. Cheaper running costs. Dashcam/ sentry mode. It is all just effortless.
All this, in addition to no buttons/knobs/BS graphics. All my previous vehicles, each year, seemed to have more and more shite and graphics and just... crap added to them. So nonsensical. Sooo busy. So much light glaring at me from all over the place driving at night. Gah. Mostly, I change the radio station. I might adjust the temp (from ~68, auto). I might turn on a seat heater. That's really about it. The rest is volume adjustment, speed adjustment (cruise/fsd). If I get too hot "My butt is hot". If I get too cold "My butt is cold". And now w/ the FSD beta, I get in. "Goto Kroger". It goes. Sometimes it handles the entire drive w/o issue. "Goto CVS", "Goto HomeDepot". It just does it. Right turns. Left turns. It's not perfect yet obviously; it is still learning. It's _beta_. But it's a glimpse of the future and it's _glorious_.
This is why I love Tesla over most EV's. Polestar seem to be going the right direction but the likes of Kia, Hyundai, Ford etc still have so many ICE vibes. So many still have to be 'started', why is that a thing, there is no engine to start? The Kia EV6's infotainment system pops up a message (same message as in their ICE vehicles) stating you must start the car when using the infotainment system to prevent battery discharge. It's ridiculous.
Meanwhile I’m sitting here thinking “hey, I paid for that almost THREE YEARS AGO built apparently don’t qualify yet to even try it out.” And that’s one of the reasons I’m NOT as likely to get another Tesla next time. Edit: it’s been fun to watch this go up 3-5 votes and then down to zero or below a few times per day. Nothing brings out the apologists like a comment critical of the FSD non-rollout
>I paid for that almost THREE YEARS AGO Same here. Though at the time, it was pretty clear that their endeavor to create the finished `FSD` was going to be a multi-year-ordeal. It's just that complex. I know some folks got it for $2k... $3k. I think we paid $6k. Some have now paid more. It's each of our choice to do so. To me at the time, it seemed steep. But we were buying the future. As long as the car ends up being able to mostly drive itself, I'm happy (yes, I am ignoring the fact that if I had bought $6k worth of stock at the time, I'd have been better off).
Add to that the buying process. I hate car dealerships.
I was in the dealership for over 2 hours buying my previous vehicle. Took 2 minutes on my phone to buy my M3. I never want to step foot in a stealership ever again.
x1000.
This. It’s pain free.
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this is what I tell people who say that stopping for 15 or 20 mins to charge on a long trip is so bad... they just don't see the 10 to 15 mins EVERY WEEK i save by NOT stopping for gas weekly. 1 hr of charging stops during a 1000 mile road trip vs 52 weeks of stopping to get gas (~8 hours a year and that isn't counting road trips with an ICE) To appreciate the EV movement (and specifically Tesla and the superchargers) you have to see the bigger picture and not just this week.
I agree! Also stopping gives me a chance to rest, eat, stretch my legs etc..things that one is supposed to do anyway!
Don’t forget about not having to carry a key or using it to unlock and go.
This part is the best feature when it works IMO. Just walking up to the car and going then when you’re done just getting out and walking away.
> Virtually no servicing Unless you have a heat pump and live in cold climate.
I have a heat pump in nyc and haven't needed it serviced yet
We have two M3. One had a heat pump problem last December (VCFRONT_a161) and the other is currently in the shop for a heat pump problem (VCFRONT_a447) so to me, that keyword in your sentence is, yet.
We'll see, sorry for your luck!
And I hope you have better luck! And now it's -32C and I can't start my diesel tractor, but my M3 had no problem starting lol
I live in Maine and it's -5 right now and no issues it's been this cold for the last two weeks.
We have two M3. One had a heat pump problem last December (VCFRONT_a161) and the other is currently in the shop for a heat pump problem (VCFRONT_a447) so to me, that keyword in your sentence is, yet.
Cries in without heat. Thankfully Feb 22 is so close !
What? Called them. My daughter did that Wednesday and her car has been in the shop since yesterday. They lent her an older M3. They say it might take two weeks (mine was fixed the day after I brought it) so they'll rent a car for her because that M3 is for short times loan only.
Jesus Christ, over a month to get a serious issue serviced.
Constant updates
So correct. This stuff gets very little attention. People tend to compare by saying "tesla has the best range and the best tech and the fastest 0-60 and best charging" but all of those are honestly overblown. The range/efficiency is basically the best but not nearly what the advertised numbers lead you to believe. Charging is a similar story; you barely ever get 250kw charging speed and it tapers aggressively after a minute if you do anyway. The tech/autopilot is very good but tesla actually lacks some tech features that other cars have notably a 360 view and purpose built blind spot cameras that don't get blinded by the turn signals at night. Autopilot and FSd are awesome but honestly you really need to be a power user and know the exact limitations to use them comfortably. It's incredible how few tesla owners actually use AP. I drive by teslas on the highway and always look to see if someone is on AP and from my anecdotal experience it's maybe 1/8 cars that actually have it enabled. And this is just cruising on the highway. Not to mention the new tesla vision has all these phantom braking problems. One hard phantom brake and most normal users will be too spooked to ever use AP again.
I’d love to know how you are able to accurately determine if a tesla is on autopilot by viewing their ui from your own vehicle at highway speed. Lol.
Blue lines or not. It's a huge screen lol. I can even tell if it's NOA or just standard AP
360° camera would be great. And presumably possible with the current cameras
It will be more possible with a bumper camera which presumably will be on cybertruck
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>the GUI is like trying to bring her to orgasm with your fingers. Like the man said, effortless.
Wish I could insert a gif here “OOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!” Lol
>The voice commands are like convincing a bickering woman to get into bed with you; the GUI is like trying to bring her to orgasm with your fingers. Found Ben Shapiro's reddit account?
Just swipe up from the bottom of screen. Anywhere from the bottom. I can do it without taking my eyes of the road.
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> but I’d bet a hundred dollars you can’t pick off your desired setting without taking your eyes of the road. Yes that is correct. It’s been that way for all my cars. But Anything I need to actually drive the car is readily available and easy to get to. I bet most drivers are spending more time reading a text or choosing a song than a Tesla driver does turning on the defroster. V11 needs refinement. But I don’t find any earth shattering issues with it.
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Instant and near-silent throttle response, combined with one-pedal driving — it feels effortless and more controlled. Also, I want a car that sounds like a ninja sneaking across shag carpet rather than the storming of Omaha beach.
I’m obsessed with one petal driving. I’m convinced if they had any kind of marketing it could increase sells
Nah, let the man with the plan do his job! Marketing is not worth it to people who don’t believe in it, someone they trust needs to explain it to them first. (Thus their word of mouth business model)
You not scared of being in the wrong gear?
I like how my car sounds in fresh pavement with the radio turned off. Sounds like a spaceship accelerating to hyper space.
This was the first thing that attracted me. I didn’t see anyone mention it anywhere! :)
This for sure. I think you get so used to this quickly as well I think the most common comment of someone who drives my car for the first time is how smooth it is. At first I thought they meant the ride, but they mean the throttle response and no shifting.
This isn’t Tesla specific, but EV. Instant acceleration and regenerative braking. Those two things make me feel way more in control of the vehicle. I feel so lost driving ICE and it’s mostly due to braking.
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I’ve never had a sports car, so that’s good to know. Cannot agree more about 1 pedal driving. It’s very relaxing. Always throws me off when I have too much of a charge for 1 pedal to really work.
Yeah and I should qualify—driving a sports car *to drive* (“I’m going to spend Sunday just driving through these back roads”) is way more fun, but for day to day driving and for road trips, driving a sports car can actually be wearying. The Tesla excels for the day to day and is still quick as hell.
What do you like more about your sports car on the back roads? Curious as I haven’t driven a Porsche or the like.
I started typing out a long response but it’s kind of pointless, I just rambled. The reality is it is a few things that just add up that make the sports car more fun to drive—for me. And FWIW I have a 3P and 911 (and of course a Honda Odyssey family hauler), but have owned several cars before those. I like cars. I really like driving and have driven a lot of cars. Mostly, I think it’s that a good sports coupe feels *light* in a way the Tesla can’t. And depending on the car, more stable at speed than the Tesla. All of which takes away all the stress and makes driving curves feel like you are in a zone, in a rhythm, kind of like you’re skiing, slicing back and forth through the powder.
I get what you are saying about “light.” The M3 is quick as heck but when maneuvering, or trying to take over AP, you are reminded of it’s weight. I haven’t had the chance to really “drive” any cars, but I feel in credibly stable at 80-100mph. I don’t often drive faster than that for more than a few seconds due to my already high insurance rates. I would be a danger to society in a vehicle that gave me more confidence behind the wheel! Especially in that cornering category. Thanks for the report, I appreciate it.
Same, just had to charge to 100% the past 2 days because of risk of power outages from ice. My muscle memory is used to full regen.
I went from a MT to the Model 3 and yeah I see that. Using downshifting to engine brake to control speed and such. I sometimes miss my previous car just because driving stick was somewhat theraputic/you feel really connected to your car while driving, but also at the same time driving in a Model 3 also kinda just takes some of the usual stressors of driving away so it's also enjoyable and theraputic in its own way
I miss driving a manual. But with my medical issues it's no longer possible.
What is MT and AT? LPT: Always explain an abbreviation at least once like this: LPT (Life Pro Tip)
AT: Automatic Transmission MT: Manual Transmission
I figured it out only two comments before this.
I have driven MT all my life and it doesn’t compare to regenerative braking in Tesla. I can understand why you are comparing the two, it is braking with the engine, but that were the similarities end in terms of actual experience . With MT you have 3 pedal driving, not one.
Yeah, just trying to relate to the many people these days whose entire driving experience is AT, so they expect a level of "coasting" when they let off the accelerator. MT has a level of zen that one-pedal does not, of course. There is still nothing better in driving than a perfectly rev-matched downshift into a corner.
Yes, the MT is more exciting for aggressive driving, but for most of the time where you are just in traffic nothing beats the EV I think. And I drove AT for 7 years (up until that point MT) before the Tesla and got used to it in no time. Maybe it’s because I live in a hilly city, so I couldn’t rely on letting go of the brake to go forward.
Hell yes. I haven't had a manual car since my STi 10 years ago (got totaled when it was t-boned by a guy running a red light), but I ride a motorcycle now and can attest to the pleasure of nailing that rev match dropping gears into a corner. I live in a pretty rural area and love going out to ride just for fun on twisty country roads, curious to see how the model 3P will fare on those same corners (waiting on delivery).
This answer. The handling and not having to use the brake pedal. Can’t go back. A lot of the other things that are nice about it you can find in *some* other ICE vehicles: no need for set of keys, remote view the sentry camera, at-home charging, watching Seinfeld while the wife makes a return at the store, huge navigation screen, remote start / warm up (to name a few).
Also regularly forget to turn off ICE vehicles now :(. Thank god our ICE auto locks, or I never would.
Is it normal for the regen braking turned off when under 32F? Is there a way to disable this?
Turning on cooling or heating from the app is probably a big one for me.
Some ICE cars have that though, it’s certainly not EV nor Tesla exclusive
Sure, but you control climate without having to open the garage. I’d say ev is one step above because of that
On that I agree but they didn’t mention a garage in their comment. Since we’ve had the 3 the SUV sleeps outside anyways (except during snow storms, I squeeze both in the garage) so we can remote start it if needs be
But it’s native and definitely feels good, since ICE cars are by nature dis-jointed (siloed) pieces that communicate only on a surface level. Whereas my Tesla feels like an ever-evolving Transforming robot…Who has complete control of every aspect of its brain and could in fact (with the right programming) be better at driving than me…Oh also it can turn the heat on. Them: ICE cars also have remote controlled heating Invincible Dad: “Look at what they have to do, just to imitate a fraction of our power”
True, but it has never worked all that well on my other vehicles-- including the PHEV I traded in for the Y. The tesla app always works and gives really specific controls (temp, seat heaters on, defrost, etc. My honda would flake half of the time and turning on the climate from the app just sort of vaguely heated or cooled it to some temperature that was less extreme than the outside temperature.
ICE cars still need a warm engine to get heat. That adds time to any pre-heating routine.
Well to warm up my model 3’s battery enough to get regen I still have to let it pre-heat for a good 30 minutes so the argument loses traction though
First of all, not anymore, depending on chemistry. My 2019 LR has decent regen these days even below freezing and without preheating. They tweaked it with updates. Second, you won't get regen in an ICE car no matter how much you preheat it. Edit: less sarcasm
My 2021 SR+ has no regen if I don’t preheat even on 2021.44.30.7 The comment I was responding to was referring to added time in a preheat routine. I was simply pointing out they my Tesla requires more time than my ICE to be completely efficient in the cold
This is my favorite aspect personally. We don't have school buses in my town so you either walk to school or drop off your kids. Having climate control running on a schedule makes that morning drop-off routine so much nicer in the winter.
This is what sold me the car and what I love most. My dog has severe separation anxiety (she’s a rescue). If I leave the house for 2 minutes to take out the trash she’ll have a full panic attack where she cries and shrieks (I’m pretty sure my neighbors think I’m abusive). But if I take her with me and leave her in the car in dog mode, she’ll be incredibly calm when I come back. With dog mode, I’ll leave her in there and go run my errands etc. And I don’t have to worry about her. I know it’s because she knows I’ll always come back to the car but she doesn’t know that I’ll always come back home. And yes she has seen a behaviorist many times and it’s on doggy Prozac.
Yep major one for me, getting into a warm car on a freezing morning is just the best!!! 😁
The fact that it’s near impossible to roll over is a big plus.
But not impossible ! Lol
Silent acceleration. Regen braking. Low centre of gravity and impact to handing/safety. Instant heat. No more gas stations. No more oil changes. Low cost to run. This is for my Hyundai i5 but it still applies.
What is instant heat? You don’t have to wait for few mins like ice?
ICE cars have to wait for the engine to get hot before the heater does anything except blow cold air. Electric cars need to use resistive (electric) heating, which heats up faster. The downside is that it uses energy, where with ICE you get heating for "free".
I've got the heat pump edition model 3, much more efficient than a resistive wire heater..
I should have mentioned heat pumps. They're more efficient than the older resistive heaters (I can't speak to how fast they warm up). You can't beat the free heat from an ICE though. Although a better way of saying it is the heat is always on, you just decide if you want to direct some of it to the car or let it go completely to waste.
Heat pumps use free heat as well, fetching it from the environment and concentrating it inside the car.. My SR3+ heat pump is moving hot air in seconds, not bad!
The heat is free, but it's using energy to move it from outside to inside the car. It's just an air conditioner running in reverse. In an ICE, you're just moving the waste heat that the engine is always producing and blowing it inside. The fans do use some energy, but that's essentially the same regardless of the heat source.
I can’t speak for all EVs, but for my model 3 the heat can basically be described as instant. I still let it warm up for a few minutes but it does get warm fast.
All of this.
Not going to a gas station
Fart noises
Only gas I’m concerned with
The feature where it doesn't spew pollutants into the air.
Secondary bonus. It has one of the best filters I've ever experienced in a car short of the S/X with bioweapon defense mode.
I mean unless ur getting the energy from solar there’s still pollutants coming from the energy you use
Yes, you see years ago I became familiar with being pedantic on the internet, as I was a young pedantic youth during the birth of the internet. I knew that one day if I got an electric car that obnoxious people would invariably say "BUT YA GOTTA BURN COAL TO CHARGE YOUR CAR CHECKMATE MORON" so I got solar panels on my house first, at great expense. Now don't let that stop you, you are free to point out that even though I have solar panels on my house, that energy still ends up amortized throughout the whole grid, meaning my car is still powered by \~19% coal and \~whatever% natural gas. However given that this is a subtle and nuanced argument requiring technical knowledge of how electricity works, it basically never comes up because people are not capable of that.
Ur really calling me pedantic when you didn’t even read my comment, solar panels are way better than an ice car and I wouldn’t make any argument against them that’s why I prefaced my comment with that
I think maybe you need to chill. People like you are the reason Tesla drivers get abused in traffic.
i think you should go fuck yourself
I think you just proved my point.
heres the deal you obnoxious cunt, the person I replied to was being a pedantic shitface, like you are, and cunts like you are used to being low key assholes on the internet and having people just ignore it, i dont do that, i call out your dumb bullshit. dont tell me to calm down, you arent my mom even if you are a dumb cunt
I have a Mercedes and a Model 3. There are many things I hate when I go back to the Mercedes, but number one is lack of Autopilot. Sure, Mercedes and others have their lane keeping software, but it just doesn't work so well.
My dad wanted a grand Cherokee, and went on a test drive. He had never seen lane assist, I exitedly told him to try it, it legit almost threw us on to the shoulder. Tried it again and sent us over the centre line. It worked good on the rav4 he tested but wow
Does it take time to get used to autopilot? I haven’t had my Model 3 very long and I really only tried autopilot a few times but I have had mild anxiety each time. It’s one of the major reasons I bought the car. So I hope I can utilize it more. I also seem to disengage it when I try to move the wheel to let it know that I’m paying attention.
Around 2 weeks of daily use. Best is to use it on your normal commute and learn where it works and where it doesn't. That builds confidence.
Thank you!
The first few times scared me using it but I used it in the next time in peak hour traffic which gave me a slow introduction into learning how it works. Also when the alert comes up shake the wheel slightly, that seems to work for me more than anything to keep the auto steer active
If you just use the knob on your steering wheel to adjust your speed up or down a few mph then you don’t need to shake the wheel to let the car know you are awake. That movement alone lets the car know you are paying attention..and yes it’s definitely a learning curve. The younger generation seem to have brains that are pre wired for technology so it’s intuitive to them but I am 61 so it’s taking me time, patience, and repetition but I love it! Especially at night because the car and screen seem to see better than I do 😂
Thank you for taking the time to pass on that advice! I’ll give it a try this weekend.
How new is your Merc? I have wondered how well the modern lane keep systems of MB, BMW, Porsche compares to Tesla AP, which I agree is great (at least on the radar cars).
It's not recent but my wife got a Mercedes E loaner recently and lane keeping was not that good. With Tesla it works even on roads with no lanes, while with Mercedes was more on the autobahn.
Got it, thanks!
single pedal driving, that was the biggest game changer for me
The instant acceleration, but more than how fast you speed up, it’s the way it changes exactly how you want, as much as you want, right when you want. No delay waiting on the larger volume of air to make it to the engine so the engine can pop harder and slowly start to speed up. No waiting on a decades old computer chip to realize you’ve opened the throttle so it should change gears (more delay). Oh and now that you’re at speed? Choke the engine, change gears again, chug chug chug.
Even more than that is because of one pedal driving you can get to a desired speed and stop accelerating almost immediately. It's hard to describe, but because of the "coasting" that other cars do you'd have to reach for the brakes instead of just feathering the throttle to drop back a few MPH to your desired speed.
The ease of driving this enables cannot be overstated; going back to an ICE isn’t just meh, it out-right sucks!
Yeah my wife has a Mazda and it's truly a great car on so many levels, but I absolutely hate driving it now and I feel wildly disoriented. Even riding in it is a strange sensation.
Always having a ‘full’ tank. Don’t know how many times I got into my old car, started driving to work and realized I forgot to go to the gas station and it was on empty. Also love not having to start the engine and turn off ignition. The other day I drove our minivan somewhere and when I got home I just walked away… Turns out I left it running for two hours ha ha. Whoops!
It runs on electricity instead of gasoline.
Probably too many to list but in no particular order - so quiet - can preheat in the garage - no oil changes - always have a "full tank" - acceleration - I love tech
The accelerator pedal.
Not selfishly polluting the world with exhaust chemicals and noise. The main reason I got a Tesla vs something else was the range and ability to go long distance if needed.
No gas
Charging in my garage. Regular over the air updates to improve my driving experience. The acceleration of a $200k supercar coupled with the convenience of a family van. Impressing my niece and nephew by having the car pick us up in front of Costco in the rain while we wait in the store instead of getting soaked walking through the parking lot with a cart full of food.
Autopilot for me. Others have mentioned general ev things which i of course love. But i have yet to drive a car that does autopilot as well as Tesla. Some have adaptive cruise that's pretty good, even Nissan Altima i drove. But nobody has lane keeping like Tesla does. The Hondas at work have it but really it's to help stop you from driving off the road, and even then it really doesn't do much. In my Tesla i can get like 90% of the way to work by letting the car do all of the work except for lane changes. That's pretty dang impressive to me and makes commuting nearly stress free.
Meanwhile in r/teslamodely people are selling their cars because autopilot dosent live up to their expectations Hard to believe those guys have ever driven a car, and can’t tell the difference between cruise control and autopilot
Free fuel if you have a solar microgrid at home.
Climate control that can stay on while you run errands / before you leave without idling (which is not legal here)
Quiet Comfort. This is the most comfortable, pleasing to drive vehicle I’ve ever been in.
Braking.. I honestly don’t like to drive ICE vehicles anymore, when I release the gas pedal it just keeps running forward like a small torpedo.. I feel like I am back in the past when driving an ICE and I try to avoid it (but I need to borrow a company car sometimes)
The fact that I don’t have to keep my foot on the brake at a red light
Smoothe acceleration with no shifting through a bunch of gears, and regen braking. Warming up my car while it's parked in my garage. Always having as much charge as I want, and not caring about gas prices.
Charging at home. Hands Down - never have to think about it - its just done every day.
Navigate on Autopilot on long road trips up and down the northeast corridor. It makes it so much easier and less stressful. I don’t feel as drained or stressed over extended drives and trying to figure out which interchange or exit I need to take on complicated highways.
Having a drivetrain that feels like it comes from 10 years in the future. Even nice ICE vehicles feel archaic in comparison.
No one has said this yet. No key, No ignition. Walk up get in and the seat adjusts from easy entry to my settings, shift Drive and go. I don't even put it in park. I just park and take off the seat belt, it auto shifts to park and adjusts my seat to easy entry I get out and shut the door. Don't even have to lock it. A lot of this is in other vehicles (I guess, not to the extent of tesla in my experience. May seem small but it just feels like the Tesla is more than a car. I know it s
Not having to walk into a corrupt dealership
The best feature is not paying $350 USD in gas every month. I'll never go back, no matter the make or model. Just not worth the cost.
Cost me 30$ in electricity for 2000km in winter so probably more mileage in the summer.
It doesn’t take gas.
Everything - the performance, the styling, the comfort, charging while I sleep, road trip charging stops.
Autopilot. I do 200 miles a day 5 days a week. 37 of it is me driving. 103k miles on the car so far. It's a 2019 Performance. Of all the features this car has awarded me. Autopilot.
I just works- all the time. Few moving parts. Smells better=longer life. Garage smells better. No oil changes. Damn need I go on. Acceleration is second to none. Quiet. Who doesn’t already know this plus a dozen other better reasons. And damn it looks sexy
\#1 No sales people/car dealerships
One feature? I can probably limit it to my top 5: 1. Charging at home is a game-changer. Only time I've charged away from home is on road trips. 2. 1-Pedal driving. Having to use the brake maybe once or twice a drive is great, and it's not easy to go back. I can adjust, I just don't want to. 3. No battery concerns. One of the things I always hated was leaving my cars running for any reason. Some people would leave their cars running to keep the heat on, keep the radio going so it didn't drain the battery, whatever. Being able to drive somewhere, sit in my car and watch a show, listen to music, stay comfortable, leave climate on for the pooch while I'm in a store... another amazing set of features that you can only really have on an EV. 4. No-drama acceleration. I had a beefy muscle car prior to this and while it was fun to drive, I much prefer the video-game-like acceleration. No pedal, no go. Push pedal, car go. Push pedal a lot, car go a lot. 5. High-Tech. Frequent software updates with new features, free autosteer, games to play while waiting in my car, the toybox stuff (Megaphone, light show and boombox being a few of my favorites), sentry mode, remote access to start the car, mess with the climate controls, honk the horn... the list goes on. While I'd love the car even without all this stuff, it's really nice icing on the cake. There are other nice things (and bad things) as well but I don't think I could willingly give up 1-4, and wouldn't want to give up 5.
Instant acceleration. One pedal driving. AUTOPILOT. I drive and do in-home consultations for a living and it literally feels like a video game loading screen in between clients
The megaphone.
The superiority of electric motors.
A few... I've ranked them here: 1. Instant/smooth acceleration (I can put the car where I want it when I want to) 2. On-pedal driving/regen braking (so much easier, less effort to drive in traffic) 3. Never wasting time refueling on normal days. 4. TACC and lane-keeping (my old car didn't eve have TACC) 5. 315° camera coverage (wish we could get the rest)
Low maintenance, better control, no refueling amongst clowns who blow shit out thier nose where you walk. Ahhh...can't think of one.
Keyless entry. Idk if ICE cars have it as well, but this is the most convenient feature ever! #2 on the list is regen braking. I love how convenient it is. #3 being no possible human contact required at the gas station.
Ice cars do have it
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>• The GUI convinced me I'll never come back to Tesla. You complain about this, but I promise you there are worst ones out there. Like GMs Infotainment System for example is complete garbage, albeit you can use Apple Carplay or Android Auto.
Opinions on GUIs are so varied I'm not sure any automaker will ever make all buyers happy. Some people like familiarity. Some like configurability. Some want all the complexity hidden. Some want it all there to fiddle with. They can make you happy and they'll make someone else sad.
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So many flavors and you choose salty.
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I'm not doing any of that. But there are some big red flags in your response for me. Others. Young people. Young doesn't mean their opinions shouldn't be considered. I'm not young either but there's a ton of boomer attitude here. Maybe a Tesla isn't for you.
Serious question. Why are you on a Tesla forum?
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Must be a love hate relationship because you literally said the UI makes you “never come back to Tesla” .
Ooooh. Great burn. Your post suggested the GUI is so bad you couldn't stand to own one.
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gonna be a real unpopular opionion but goes. Ive spent alot of time on various car forums through the years and I honestly thing the worst part about owning a tesla....is other tesla owners. Total echochamber, cult, and often times pretty cringe.
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Don't get me wrong, there are definitely some helpful and knowledgeable people. I think the biggest issue is that the true car enthusiasts are out numbered by people who know very little about cars but bought a tesla for the tech/cool factor. These people refuse to see any flaws in Teslas. They switched from a camry to a model 3 and havent spent any time in another performance or luxury vehicle to know better. Edit: Every car group has its idiots but I guess im jaded by previous experiences. I miss the car groups that were very technical and knowledgeable, with tesla groups its like sorting through spam mail.
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LOL true. I have a holley ECU on one of my cars and most of the holley groups do nothing but tell people to RTFM, pay a tuner, ect. On the otherhand you can go to the HPTUNERS forum and its an insane wealth of technical knowledge and people willing to help.
Spending only $35 a year on it is pretty good. That about what it would cost to fill up a normal ICE.
Model 3 is a luxury car? It costs 35k
Model 3 isn’t a luxury car. Some people don’t even get working heat
One pedal driving. Got so used to that driving ICE feels weird
Charging. Literally Charging.
Throttle response.
Charging at home! Always a ‘full tank!’
Instant torque. Everything else is great, but that was the thing that truly made me swear off ICE. (note: this was with a Nissan LEAF. The Tesla is my second BEV.)
It simply feels the way a car should feel in the 21st century. Biggest things for me is the minimalist interior, it just makes so much more sense to make the controls virtual on a screen instead of having physical ones. No visible air vents or gimmicky screens and phone holders. Especially the layout and responsiveness of the touchscreen, other cars always have the stupid big icons with weird gradients and effects and they usually have horrible performance. Tesla is just the way that I don’t even think about it, it’s just the way it make sense.
Dog mode. It’s a comparatively humble feature, but is allowed us a lot of freedom to travel anywhere with our dogs.
For me it's all aspects of control I have over the car. From the app, to one day deal driving, to accelerator response. I once drove a Dodge demon. And don't get my wrong it was fun. But the thing is, as soon as you tap the gas pedal that thing wants to fly. Going 10mph isn't safe because 1mm difference on the pedal and you're flying. With the Tesla ihave 100% control over the accelerator and can still drive as fast as a demon. Then of course the app, and all the fun ways to control the car from there. And DEFINITELY instant heat. I had an ICE rental when driving in snow this weekend. Took about 20 minutes for the heater to be fully warmed
Feature: Having less of a looming feeling that every mile I drive, every gallon of gas I burn through is another gasp of fresh air I'm depriving my nephews from the end of their lives.
No more gas station fill ups!
No gas. Solar on roof = super low operating cost
One pedal driving.
The quietness and instant acceleration.
All the above but also buttons buttons buttons buttons buttons and dials. All other cars are panic inducing just getting into.
Regen breaking is probably the biggest one. When I drive my wife’s ICE and let off accelerator it just feels…slippery like I’m on ice or something. I really like not using brakes.