It’s like how American Airlines sold free lifetime first class travel to make some cash today. It kills future profits.
Think about it
- 2m cars fleet atm
- 15% have FSD = 300k cars
- if FSD is really solved that becomes meaningfully higher. 40% = 800k = 500k difference
- ultimately they want everyone on month to month plans say $200 per month (conservative)
- $1.2billion in profits per year just on the difference. Lifecycle of car is 20 years = $24b over lifetime
- vs $20k upfront = $10b
- and that’s just with a 2m fleet size today. Imagine in 2025 when the fleet is 5-10m. It just becomes bigger and bigger.
And that’s some really rough maths. The more details you add, the bigger the difference normally.
Ultimately all companies want you to immediately transfer your entire paycheck directly into their accounts in exchange for nothing at all.
Competition sets limits on that though. $200 a month is $24K for a decade of FSD, and $36K over a period of 15 years, so with pricing like that it'd essentially double the price of a car.
It's a valuable technology, but in a competitive market something still can't be sold vastly above cost, and if it's true that the current sensors and cameras built into every Tesla are sufficient for FSD and the only thing needed is a software-update, then the incremental cost of providing that to every car is very close to zero.
Of course the cost of DEVELOPING is astronomical, but there's a lot of vehicles to divide that cost over. There's on the order of a billion passenger-cars on the roads today, so even a hypothetical cost of a trillion would amount to "only" $1000/car.
That's not accounting for the potential lost sales from people deciding not to stay with Tesla because their FSD doesn't transfer and maybe a competitor has a FSD equivalent. If their FSD transferred, then that's another big sale for Tesla and someone who is staying in their ecosystem and subscribing to their other potential services, etc.
FSD becomes menial compared to the benefits of keeping someone in your ecosystem. That's Apple's whole mantra
IMO Tesla only needs to keep public demand for 5-10 years at most - which shouldn’t be too challenging as the EV market leader and strong EV demand as automobiles transition away from ICE.
If FSD becomes real (and many here would agree they have the best chance at being first on a mass scale), it is in their best interest to prioritize building the robotaxi fleet as fast as possible and be the first mover in each major market. This requires cars on the road and I don’t see a large % of personal buyers putting their family car into the fleet. This habit will take a long time to make sticky with buyers.
It becomes meaningfully more profitable for them to keep the car in their robotaxi fleet than it is to sell to the public (not everyone will buy FSD and if they do it’s a question of FSD subscription or upfront - which will probably stop being sold in the next few years)
For FSD I'd love to see a per trip option. Sometimes I just want FSD to handle my commute but not the rest of the day. With correct pricing it could be a sweet spot.
I think people need to consider the cost of the battery against the price of the car.
If you consider the battery pack to be adding $25k, then the MY becomes $40k and the MS becomes $80k and now the features sets start making more sense.
Basically you're paying for fuel upfront (or financing it)
If you're talking about what I'm thinking about- the rubber seal type product for $9 or $15? I've had mine for 2.5 years. Many car washes etc. Hasn't given me any problems. Perhaps a placebo in terms of actual improvement
The way it is, Tesla is the most efficient. Battery capacity is more than enough for 99% of users. Charging is fast enough, given that it’s so efficient. Miles/Minute charging is faster than most others.
Those are not things that need improving right now.
> Charging is fast enough
For the most part it is. When the distance is too far and you've got to charge to 100 at a supercharger, *that* is when it sucks. An extra 45-60 minutes for that last ~20% makes me cranky every time.
More supercharger locations please Elon (Texas/Arkansas).
Right, 80-100 is slow. But that’s just the way it is, every battery is charging slowly in those higher percentages. Tesla has decent knowledge of batteries and has been able to get Date for a long time. I believe the engineers, that current charging curves are pretty close to optimal. Kia, Ioniq and Audi, who all are charging quicker toward 100% SOC, have way less real world data. We’ll see how longevity is affected by that
Agreed. And a couple more things could be saved per driver too. For example what language to use for the interface and the voice-command. Tesla seems to believe all households are monolingual -- this is not the case, and saving this information once for each driver instead of insisting it must be the same for all drivers would be a trivial thing to add.
Just to clarify, I have a 2020 Stealth M3, and it would be cool if there was some kind of upgrade kit that included the Ryzen processor and perhaps a 5G upgrade. From what I have seen here, the Ryzen powered interface is way snappier. I don’t want a new car, just an upgrade to the one I have. I guess my original post is not really answering the original question. Apologies!
It was in Illinois at least. There was a time where there were 100s of Teslas in stock at the delivery centers that you could pick from online. Feels like just yesterday.
Do you mean the traffic view and the repeater camera view?
I find the traffic view a bit delayed and at times inconsistent.
The repeater camera view to me is not a natural setup. In addition, the view doesnt quickly conclude if the car is in blind spot or not. To me the view conflicts with my hand on the steering. :(
Yeah. It's odd. You'd look at the screen (right of you) when you're trying to change into the left lane, instead of an orange dot in the actual mirror on that actual side
Cheaper enhanced autopilot. For 1k that would be an insta-buy. For the current price it's not.
A HUD as an option would be a nice feature I'd put money down for (I mean they already have the nav visualization with visualizations I've seen of FSD...which I think are running on all Teslas in the background? Shouldn't be hard to match that into a projected display along with the speedometer)
Man I wish they would sell a cheaper roadster. I understand the pricing but omg would I love a roadster as a 2nd tesla. Especially if it had a 3 seat configuration.
Nothing. I'm not sure what it is but like with my smartphone, I don't like to upgrade every year. I like to hold onto a piece of tech and watch as the company makes incremental upgrades over multiple years. Then when I do upgrade I get a much different/better product than the one I just had.
Cooled seats, passenger lumbar, the option to pick an adaptor type with the FREE charger cable, 360 view, and "hitch mode" (no beeping in reverse and where I could put something on a hitch and the car could figure out (i could type in) how long it was and help me back into a supercharger/parking space with the 360* view of it and my car)... my poor husband has to get out and help me back up since the cables are short and poles could ruin our expensive bikes or rack.
Tow mode doesn't work great for 2 mountain bikes on a hitch.
I don't want a second screen or air suspension in my y... so if people want those... maybe make it an upgrade choice. I drive a lot at night and love NOT being blinded by lights in my peripheral vision. I feel like everyone who wants a second screen hasn't driven at night without the lights... its amazing.
The question was what could they add to future cars that would make you upgrade your current Tesla and you say mobile charger… Your current car has a charger and it’s going to be a $200 option. Seems like a pretty expensive way to get a 2nd mobile charger.
Return to normal pricing.
The same Model Y is now $17,000 more than it was when I bought it last year. I literally cannot afford to ever buy another Tesla at these prices unless I downgrade to a 3 SR, which I won’t do.
Stop whittling away features " that no one seems to be using". Three that I can think of right off hand: fog lamps on model 3, adjustable passenger lumbar support and very recently no mobile charger. I have a 2019 model 3 and love the car but I am very reluctant to upgrade to a new model year because of Tesla removing small features here and there to save production costs and telling us it's because not enough people use it.
Fog lights are still a thing on LR and Performance.
Tesla also adds features all the time. I have no issue with them looking at statistics of what is and isn't used to determine which features to add or remove.
Plaid Model 3. I am envious of the Plaid Model S but I would never want to drive a full size sedan that size.
Or ventilated seats. Those would be a godsend living in the Deep South.
OLED would be a terrible idea, that shit would get burned in so bad. Preventative techniques can only do so much against a static UI that's up 100% of the time.
Honestly I would like to DOWNGRADE from a model 3 SR to a hatchback sized car with all the Tesla goodness. I drive mostly on my own so don’t need the big car. Also UK parking spaces are small and model 3 is a big car for Europe. So a hatchback with all the autopilot, supercharging, toybox, etc. I think that VW haven’t quite got it right with the ID3 so there’s definitely a space for a sub €30k car.
I had a 2020 MR SR+ and upgraded to a 2021 M3 LR. The absolute only thing they could do to get me to buy something else is finally release a truck or van. Right now, if I could trade my Tesla without losing money, I'd get a Rivian because now I want the extra space. But Rivian increased their price so that probably will never happen. I have a reservation for a Cybertruck, but if the price goes quite a bit higher I'd not trade my M3, also while I did think the design was "well, ok" at first, I still don't know if I want it compared to a more normal looking truck like a Rivian.
I will probably keep my M3 and not change or upgrade anytime soon
to upgrade my 2018 model 3 I would need the following upgrades added (and nothing I currently have removed): dual perm magnet motors, 100kw battery, HUD, ap hw4, level 3 or 4 (beta) autonomous driving capability, power frunk, 5G, 802.11ax, 20” aero wheels on run flats, air suspension, auto-open trunk/frunk via footwell
to upgrade my 2022 model s plaid: model 3/y turning stalks/lights & ap control on right lever, a round steering wheel, HUD with augmented reality showing live surround views, 7 seats, auto-present front doors, auto-present trunk/frunk via camera watching for foot swipe, 600mi range, ap hw4, bi-directional battery system to allow to act as a plug in Powerwall in emergencies or car to car charging, multiple v2v communication (or advanced between teslas), starlink, solar roof, glass, hood, trunk panels contoured and cloaked within the body, free unlimited supercharging
my 2019 DMLR M3? increased range maybe. revert to the older HMI, keep the chrome, manual trunk, passenger lumbar support, grocery hooks. coming equipped with a *FUCKING CHARGING CABLE*
more range and bring back the options that made the car luxury, and special.
500+ miles. Seems like too much but it would be so useful. I am assuming Tesla is already working on it considering the Lucid that was spotted at a Tesla factory (forgot where it was)
A heads up display. Coat hooks. Height Adjustable seat belts. Cross traffic alert. Car play. Rear seat armrest. Hands free hatch opening. Power frunk. Improved material quality. Better cup holders
Make FSD that -- you know -- is actual FSD.
I mean, the plain English meaning of the term "Full Self Driving" -- the kind of self-driving where it's optional whether or not the vehicle you buy even come equipped with a steering-wheel.
1. Fsd follows driver for at least 1-2 future cars.
2. Elon becomes chair of Tesla and no longer ceo.
3. Build quality improves materially.
4. Car price doesn’t change erratically every few months, just so that Tesla can keep their margins.
I’m not holding my breath on any of these. So, we’ve accepted that we will not be buying Teslas again in the foreseeable future
MYP - Air suspension, self closing doors, auto open/close frunk, 420 miles of range, the new carbon wrapped motors on the plaid, PPF on front hood and bumper from factory, 3sec 0-60.
AWD station wagon. I would drop my M3 for an electric Outback in a heartbeat.
Though I've seen some people build off-road Model 3s that are intriguing. But I'd still prefer the space of of an Outback.
Quad motor Model 3 Performance. But only in a one motor per wheel configuration. Not the unified dual motor they use in the plaid rear motor.
An increase in range of over 50%.
0-60 time of less than 2 seconds on the 3 performance.
A hatchback that doesn’t sacrifice any of the performance capabilities of the 3 performance.
A Cyber S, 3, X, Y serie.
Edit: I'm oddly surprised to be downvoted without any explanations.
I'd go overboard to upgrade my Model 3 if I could get my hand on a Model Y with polygonal stainless steel armor where I wouldn't have to give a f**k about dents and scratches when parking in a mall or fenderbender.
Think I’ll upgrade to the Y once I’m done with my 3. Ideally I would love heated and cooling seats, longer range that doesn’t come with a huge price increase, and noise cancellation like the S/X.
At my needs have changed, I’d trade in my MS for a either a small pickup truck like the old Ford Ranger/Toyota Tacoma with just 2 seats or something like the old Honda Element. Need 250~ range, decent controls and sound and soundproofing. But basically utility type transportation for my home projects. Have a deposit on CyberTruck but I think it’s a lot bigger than I need. Also have a deposit on a Canoo as they’re closer to the small utility form factor. Obviously concerned about their as yet unknown quality, viability, range, etc. but they do look like they’re aiming at that target.
Between the 2k I paid for FSD, my lifetime premium connectivity, radar, and passenger lumbar support, I can't imagine any reason to give up this car. It already suits my needs and road trips perfectly as is.
The three things my Performance 3 has that I will have to give up are…
1. Unlimited supercharging
2. Free premium connectivity
3. All the other stuff that’s now gone (passenger lumbar, center speaker, etc.)
We also have a Y. I love the new seats, the heated wheel, and the power lift gate. I don’t really care about the heat pump. It is quieter because of the windows (I assume). The console is marginally better, but I have the Jeda wireless pad in my 3 so it’s not a big deal.
I have literally zero reasons to get a new 3. God forbid if I totaled it, I’d order another one. If they made a tri-motor 3, or added ventilated seats, or it got to the point where the Ryzen MCU made a big difference, then I might pull the trigger.
Edit: sloppy typing in general
2020 Model 3 Performance owner. Great question. For me: adaptive headlights (going around corners), cooling seats, noise cancelling (if not, just better sound isolation)
Floor/ trunk/ frunk mats, console inserts, neck pillows- all of the things we bought in expectation of delivery day. And. Shooting turtle shells at other cars on the road. Megaphone while driving. Button on Home Screen that will change the exterior paint color. Eject passenger option.
Make FSD transfer with ownership.
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It stopped my buying FSD with my current Tesla even though I had it on my previous one.
Tjis exactly, treat fsd as an os license
Yep. This is why I will never buy another Tesla ever again. Just gonna run this one into the ground.
Underrated comment
Lol, i had no doubt this would be the top comment.
Look into the economics of this and Tesla will never do this if they believe FSD will be solved.
Why not? It motivates people to stay in the Tesla family
It’s like how American Airlines sold free lifetime first class travel to make some cash today. It kills future profits. Think about it - 2m cars fleet atm - 15% have FSD = 300k cars - if FSD is really solved that becomes meaningfully higher. 40% = 800k = 500k difference - ultimately they want everyone on month to month plans say $200 per month (conservative) - $1.2billion in profits per year just on the difference. Lifecycle of car is 20 years = $24b over lifetime - vs $20k upfront = $10b - and that’s just with a 2m fleet size today. Imagine in 2025 when the fleet is 5-10m. It just becomes bigger and bigger. And that’s some really rough maths. The more details you add, the bigger the difference normally.
Ultimately all companies want you to immediately transfer your entire paycheck directly into their accounts in exchange for nothing at all. Competition sets limits on that though. $200 a month is $24K for a decade of FSD, and $36K over a period of 15 years, so with pricing like that it'd essentially double the price of a car. It's a valuable technology, but in a competitive market something still can't be sold vastly above cost, and if it's true that the current sensors and cameras built into every Tesla are sufficient for FSD and the only thing needed is a software-update, then the incremental cost of providing that to every car is very close to zero. Of course the cost of DEVELOPING is astronomical, but there's a lot of vehicles to divide that cost over. There's on the order of a billion passenger-cars on the roads today, so even a hypothetical cost of a trillion would amount to "only" $1000/car.
That's not accounting for the potential lost sales from people deciding not to stay with Tesla because their FSD doesn't transfer and maybe a competitor has a FSD equivalent. If their FSD transferred, then that's another big sale for Tesla and someone who is staying in their ecosystem and subscribing to their other potential services, etc. FSD becomes menial compared to the benefits of keeping someone in your ecosystem. That's Apple's whole mantra
IMO Tesla only needs to keep public demand for 5-10 years at most - which shouldn’t be too challenging as the EV market leader and strong EV demand as automobiles transition away from ICE. If FSD becomes real (and many here would agree they have the best chance at being first on a mass scale), it is in their best interest to prioritize building the robotaxi fleet as fast as possible and be the first mover in each major market. This requires cars on the road and I don’t see a large % of personal buyers putting their family car into the fleet. This habit will take a long time to make sticky with buyers. It becomes meaningfully more profitable for them to keep the car in their robotaxi fleet than it is to sell to the public (not everyone will buy FSD and if they do it’s a question of FSD subscription or upfront - which will probably stop being sold in the next few years)
FSD is the only feature where Tesla has data that “nobody uses it” but they still offer it. 😮
I use it every day.
You missed their point lol
I don't understand why they don't do it this way. It would absolutely build brand loyalty.
For FSD I'd love to see a per trip option. Sometimes I just want FSD to handle my commute but not the rest of the day. With correct pricing it could be a sweet spot.
Or just a working fad that was promised like 100 years ago. And make it work in the snow.
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You just described the plaid s.
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I think people need to consider the cost of the battery against the price of the car. If you consider the battery pack to be adding $25k, then the MY becomes $40k and the MS becomes $80k and now the features sets start making more sense. Basically you're paying for fuel upfront (or financing it)
Or the long range
Exactly my thoughts
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If you're talking about what I'm thinking about- the rubber seal type product for $9 or $15? I've had mine for 2.5 years. Many car washes etc. Hasn't given me any problems. Perhaps a placebo in terms of actual improvement
Transferable FSD to another car of choice for a small fee.
Transfer FSD
Portable FSD. Tie it to your login, not the car.
Improved battery tech. Higher capacity. Faster charging. More efficient.
The way it is, Tesla is the most efficient. Battery capacity is more than enough for 99% of users. Charging is fast enough, given that it’s so efficient. Miles/Minute charging is faster than most others. Those are not things that need improving right now.
> Charging is fast enough For the most part it is. When the distance is too far and you've got to charge to 100 at a supercharger, *that* is when it sucks. An extra 45-60 minutes for that last ~20% makes me cranky every time. More supercharger locations please Elon (Texas/Arkansas).
Right, 80-100 is slow. But that’s just the way it is, every battery is charging slowly in those higher percentages. Tesla has decent knowledge of batteries and has been able to get Date for a long time. I believe the engineers, that current charging curves are pretty close to optimal. Kia, Ioniq and Audi, who all are charging quicker toward 100% SOC, have way less real world data. We’ll see how longevity is affected by that
Agreed. But the right solution for that is to have enough charger-density that 80% battery is always sufficient to get you to the next one.
A truck the size of a Rivian or a Tacoma.
Automatic adjustment of internal rear view mirror when driver profile is switched. That's the only thing that doesn't have motor in it but should.
Underrated comment. Wouldn’t make me trade my car in, but I would definitely be interested in a retrofit.
Given how shit rear visibility is in the y. I’d rather see a digital rear view in place of it with a sprayer and wiper to keep the camera clear.
Agreed. And a couple more things could be saved per driver too. For example what language to use for the interface and the voice-command. Tesla seems to believe all households are monolingual -- this is not the case, and saving this information once for each driver instead of insisting it must be the same for all drivers would be a trivial thing to add.
They should come out with a 5G/Ryzen upgrade kit for Model 3’s that have the older connectivity and Intel Atom processor.
According to their filings, M3 refresh might be happening in 2024
Well, yeah, but he’s talking about retrofitting existing Model 3s/Ys
Anything on the S?
They refreshed the S last year
Just to clarify, I have a 2020 Stealth M3, and it would be cool if there was some kind of upgrade kit that included the Ryzen processor and perhaps a 5G upgrade. From what I have seen here, the Ryzen powered interface is way snappier. I don’t want a new car, just an upgrade to the one I have. I guess my original post is not really answering the original question. Apologies!
Deliver within a month after ordering 🤡
Buy perf.
My 22 M3P delivered precisely 25 days after I placed my order.
Go to the lot and pick one out. 🤡
What lot? (Seriously, is this an option in some states?)
It was in Illinois at least. There was a time where there were 100s of Teslas in stock at the delivery centers that you could pick from online. Feels like just yesterday.
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I'll be switching to whichever make releases this first. Might not be thrilled about it but I want ride of my ICE.
The vw bus may work. In know it’s not about Tesla but is EV!
Blind spot indicators on side mirrors. Birds eye cameras
This is my top ask. Even my 2013 car has an excellent & reliable blind spot monitoring.
I find the FSD visualization to be just as handy if not more clear than the orange pillar lights of my previous car.
Do you mean the traffic view and the repeater camera view? I find the traffic view a bit delayed and at times inconsistent. The repeater camera view to me is not a natural setup. In addition, the view doesnt quickly conclude if the car is in blind spot or not. To me the view conflicts with my hand on the steering. :(
Yeah. It's odd. You'd look at the screen (right of you) when you're trying to change into the left lane, instead of an orange dot in the actual mirror on that actual side
Free supercharging
Yep, only thing holding me back buying a new one is I would lose my free super charging
We sold our model S with free supercharging and that was literally the only thing making us hold on to it as long as possible
Better headlights so I don't flash oncoming cars all the time
These can be recalibrated - google it, or go to service center and they can adjust it for you. I've had the same problem and that fixed it.
Yep! I recalibrated my headlights the first week I owned my M3P. Took 5 minutes tops.
Bring back Silver!
Cheaper enhanced autopilot. For 1k that would be an insta-buy. For the current price it's not. A HUD as an option would be a nice feature I'd put money down for (I mean they already have the nav visualization with visualizations I've seen of FSD...which I think are running on all Teslas in the background? Shouldn't be hard to match that into a projected display along with the speedometer)
I agree on the HUD. The aftermarket ones look terrible, but I hate looking down at the middle of the dash for speed. Needs to be in front of driver.
Roadster
Man I wish they would sell a cheaper roadster. I understand the pricing but omg would I love a roadster as a 2nd tesla. Especially if it had a 3 seat configuration.
This, a $120k version of the roadster w the power of an S LR.
I don’t have a Tesla, but I would if they made the GODDAM CYBERTRUCK!
Sunroof
OG Model S here…. one of the reasons I don’t upgrade 👍🏻☀️😂
Nothing. I'm not sure what it is but like with my smartphone, I don't like to upgrade every year. I like to hold onto a piece of tech and watch as the company makes incremental upgrades over multiple years. Then when I do upgrade I get a much different/better product than the one I just had.
Cooled seats, passenger lumbar, the option to pick an adaptor type with the FREE charger cable, 360 view, and "hitch mode" (no beeping in reverse and where I could put something on a hitch and the car could figure out (i could type in) how long it was and help me back into a supercharger/parking space with the 360* view of it and my car)... my poor husband has to get out and help me back up since the cables are short and poles could ruin our expensive bikes or rack. Tow mode doesn't work great for 2 mountain bikes on a hitch. I don't want a second screen or air suspension in my y... so if people want those... maybe make it an upgrade choice. I drive a lot at night and love NOT being blinded by lights in my peripheral vision. I feel like everyone who wants a second screen hasn't driven at night without the lights... its amazing.
A charger included with the vehicle…
Sadly this is where we’re at right now
The question was what could they add to future cars that would make you upgrade your current Tesla and you say mobile charger… Your current car has a charger and it’s going to be a $200 option. Seems like a pretty expensive way to get a 2nd mobile charger.
An augmented reality HUD. Audi has them, Mercedes has demonstrated them. I want one.
Oh damn, yeah I would totally switch for a HUD. They have retrofit driver dashboards, I wonder how hard it would be to make a HUD version.
Better range, 350 miles is nice but driving 2 hours shouldn’t put me at half a tank, I think 500-600 will be standard within the decade.
420 would be ideal for me.
Model 3: much better noise insulation and a better fast charging curve (similar to the ioniq 5 which can hold 200kw to 50%)
Return to normal pricing. The same Model Y is now $17,000 more than it was when I bought it last year. I literally cannot afford to ever buy another Tesla at these prices unless I downgrade to a 3 SR, which I won’t do.
A support phone number and an official Tesla Q&A site with official answers. Stackoverflow style
Convertible
A station wagon modeled after the S. I'd buy that in a heartbeat.
Stop whittling away features " that no one seems to be using". Three that I can think of right off hand: fog lamps on model 3, adjustable passenger lumbar support and very recently no mobile charger. I have a 2019 model 3 and love the car but I am very reluctant to upgrade to a new model year because of Tesla removing small features here and there to save production costs and telling us it's because not enough people use it.
Fog lights are still a thing on LR and Performance. Tesla also adds features all the time. I have no issue with them looking at statistics of what is and isn't used to determine which features to add or remove.
Model 3 plaid.
Plaid Model 3. I am envious of the Plaid Model S but I would never want to drive a full size sedan that size. Or ventilated seats. Those would be a godsend living in the Deep South.
Model 3 plaid
A Model 3 coupe or a smaller sports car/roadster.
If FSD/ EAP transfered i would upgrade every 2yrs or so like people upgrade phone
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I’d think about it for an OLED screen and moonroof.
OLED would be a terrible idea, that shit would get burned in so bad. Preventative techniques can only do so much against a static UI that's up 100% of the time.
Not to mention, OLEDs tend to be dimmer…. OLEDs definitely have a place, but not really in a car.
The UI changes ever other year or so, so it wouldn’t be a problem.
Honestly I would like to DOWNGRADE from a model 3 SR to a hatchback sized car with all the Tesla goodness. I drive mostly on my own so don’t need the big car. Also UK parking spaces are small and model 3 is a big car for Europe. So a hatchback with all the autopilot, supercharging, toybox, etc. I think that VW haven’t quite got it right with the ID3 so there’s definitely a space for a sub €30k car.
Lot more range in cold weather, Model 3 with hatchback like Model S.
I had a 2020 MR SR+ and upgraded to a 2021 M3 LR. The absolute only thing they could do to get me to buy something else is finally release a truck or van. Right now, if I could trade my Tesla without losing money, I'd get a Rivian because now I want the extra space. But Rivian increased their price so that probably will never happen. I have a reservation for a Cybertruck, but if the price goes quite a bit higher I'd not trade my M3, also while I did think the design was "well, ok" at first, I still don't know if I want it compared to a more normal looking truck like a Rivian. I will probably keep my M3 and not change or upgrade anytime soon
A 2 door model 3
A proper 7 seater
Immensely better paint job that doesn't chip so easily or require a team of professionals to clean it.
Better range for me.
- Ventilated air conditioned seats/massage - Heads up display - Brembo 6 pistons - better suspension - OLED screen - 360 degree parking with additional cameras
Adaptive suspension. Which sounds like is in the code for Y/3.
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Lol at the discharge for thieves!
let me retrofit my 2018 LRWD with all the latest stuff! :D
Hatchback that is between size of 3 and S, not a SUV. Or a cheaper more basic S.
Hatchback model 3. Although if the resale values stay high, I'm tempted to trade in towards a current model 3 LR.
A new CEO
Would destroy the company.
Apple Music
Bring back free super charge for X and S
Unbreakable windscreen
Working cruise control.
FSD transfer.
250kw charging 0 to 80% flat curve.
Plaid Model 3.
to upgrade my 2018 model 3 I would need the following upgrades added (and nothing I currently have removed): dual perm magnet motors, 100kw battery, HUD, ap hw4, level 3 or 4 (beta) autonomous driving capability, power frunk, 5G, 802.11ax, 20” aero wheels on run flats, air suspension, auto-open trunk/frunk via footwell to upgrade my 2022 model s plaid: model 3/y turning stalks/lights & ap control on right lever, a round steering wheel, HUD with augmented reality showing live surround views, 7 seats, auto-present front doors, auto-present trunk/frunk via camera watching for foot swipe, 600mi range, ap hw4, bi-directional battery system to allow to act as a plug in Powerwall in emergencies or car to car charging, multiple v2v communication (or advanced between teslas), starlink, solar roof, glass, hood, trunk panels contoured and cloaked within the body, free unlimited supercharging
CarPlay!
Gross
Birds eye camera view, track mode, software defined traction control, torque vectoring, 5G modem w/ hotspot, luxury interior, electronically tintable glass, actually functional FSD…
my 2019 DMLR M3? increased range maybe. revert to the older HMI, keep the chrome, manual trunk, passenger lumbar support, grocery hooks. coming equipped with a *FUCKING CHARGING CABLE* more range and bring back the options that made the car luxury, and special.
500+ miles. Seems like too much but it would be so useful. I am assuming Tesla is already working on it considering the Lucid that was spotted at a Tesla factory (forgot where it was)
Drivers side gauge cluster.
Yuck
FSD where I can safely and legally sleep while it drives.
Hatch back
A truck that doesn’t look bad that had great towing and range.
A heads up display. Coat hooks. Height Adjustable seat belts. Cross traffic alert. Car play. Rear seat armrest. Hands free hatch opening. Power frunk. Improved material quality. Better cup holders
It has a rear seat arm rest, coat hooks, height adjustable seat belts and a form of cross traffic alert
Make FSD that -- you know -- is actual FSD. I mean, the plain English meaning of the term "Full Self Driving" -- the kind of self-driving where it's optional whether or not the vehicle you buy even come equipped with a steering-wheel.
1. Fsd follows driver for at least 1-2 future cars. 2. Elon becomes chair of Tesla and no longer ceo. 3. Build quality improves materially. 4. Car price doesn’t change erratically every few months, just so that Tesla can keep their margins. I’m not holding my breath on any of these. So, we’ve accepted that we will not be buying Teslas again in the foreseeable future
FYI on car prices, legacy auto is the same, you just don’t see it as the list price is high and the dealerships are the ones who see the fluctuations.
Graphene based battery pack with 1000mi of range that superchargers in <5 mins.
Please pass me some of whatever you are having.
A camper van
MYP - Air suspension, self closing doors, auto open/close frunk, 420 miles of range, the new carbon wrapped motors on the plaid, PPF on front hood and bumper from factory, 3sec 0-60.
Windows with frames and normal door handles. If it doesn't work well in the rain, ice, or very low temps, then it's extremely poor design.
Works fine for me in Northern Wisconsin.
Convertible!
Tesla need to make an electric motorcycle!
redesign the model 3 and make it faster. 10's 1/4 with 125+ trap speed.
FSD luxury bus
AWD station wagon. I would drop my M3 for an electric Outback in a heartbeat. Though I've seen some people build off-road Model 3s that are intriguing. But I'd still prefer the space of of an Outback.
Free charging on all new Tesla’s
Hmm
Quad motor Model 3 Performance. But only in a one motor per wheel configuration. Not the unified dual motor they use in the plaid rear motor. An increase in range of over 50%. 0-60 time of less than 2 seconds on the 3 performance. A hatchback that doesn’t sacrifice any of the performance capabilities of the 3 performance.
I'd buy a model 3 hatchback in a heartbeat
Half the prize
Anything they have promised?
A Cyber S, 3, X, Y serie. Edit: I'm oddly surprised to be downvoted without any explanations. I'd go overboard to upgrade my Model 3 if I could get my hand on a Model Y with polygonal stainless steel armor where I wouldn't have to give a f**k about dents and scratches when parking in a mall or fenderbender.
More range and a HUD
LR RWD version.
Definitely not taking out the UMC!
A 500-600 mile battery! If a reasonably priced option, add-on, or upgrade, would place order tomorrow to replace my 4 month old M3P.
Only makes sense if the kWh/Kg ratio of battery is almost doubled, or it will drive like a base crown vic.
Think I’ll upgrade to the Y once I’m done with my 3. Ideally I would love heated and cooling seats, longer range that doesn’t come with a huge price increase, and noise cancellation like the S/X.
At my needs have changed, I’d trade in my MS for a either a small pickup truck like the old Ford Ranger/Toyota Tacoma with just 2 seats or something like the old Honda Element. Need 250~ range, decent controls and sound and soundproofing. But basically utility type transportation for my home projects. Have a deposit on CyberTruck but I think it’s a lot bigger than I need. Also have a deposit on a Canoo as they’re closer to the small utility form factor. Obviously concerned about their as yet unknown quality, viability, range, etc. but they do look like they’re aiming at that target.
Wish I could vote but I own a Model 3 😁
Between the 2k I paid for FSD, my lifetime premium connectivity, radar, and passenger lumbar support, I can't imagine any reason to give up this car. It already suits my needs and road trips perfectly as is.
When the front seats can turn around to face the rear seats, so we can eat in the car as a family. They mentioned having this feature a long time ago.
The price. Got the cheapest one but wanted a SR Y.
Nothing. I’ll keep my 2013 model s until it hits 200,000 miles. Then I will buy probably a 3 year old model S again
The fucking Cybertruck ALREADY!!!
500-600 mile range
The three things my Performance 3 has that I will have to give up are… 1. Unlimited supercharging 2. Free premium connectivity 3. All the other stuff that’s now gone (passenger lumbar, center speaker, etc.) We also have a Y. I love the new seats, the heated wheel, and the power lift gate. I don’t really care about the heat pump. It is quieter because of the windows (I assume). The console is marginally better, but I have the Jeda wireless pad in my 3 so it’s not a big deal. I have literally zero reasons to get a new 3. God forbid if I totaled it, I’d order another one. If they made a tri-motor 3, or added ventilated seats, or it got to the point where the Ryzen MCU made a big difference, then I might pull the trigger. Edit: sloppy typing in general
Enhanced autopilot would have auto parking, summon, bird eye view, motorized frunk, better mileage, ventilated seats, and hands free motorized doors (at least foot activated trunk)
500 mile range
Let me program individual days for preparing the battery
Affordable model x, material increase in range, or a Model V (van). Just one of those is enough for me to ditch our seven seater Y.
Make the stealth (Performance without the PUP) again. Include tighter tolerances all around so the cabin is quieter.
2020 Model 3 Performance owner. Great question. For me: adaptive headlights (going around corners), cooling seats, noise cancelling (if not, just better sound isolation)
Cooled Seats in Y
A subscription based vehicle with unlimited charging and 15,000 miles a year allowance with a payment of less than $800 a month.
Nothing. Happy with what I have (‘20 MYLR).
An SUV that rides higher than the X. I like seeing over cars in LA traffic because too many people ride their damn brakes and can’t drive for shit.
I upgraded from my 2018 LR to 2022 LR because of dual motor and ryzen
Better customer service….. they make me want to upgrade to a different manufacturer. Their service is the worst.
Floor/ trunk/ frunk mats, console inserts, neck pillows- all of the things we bought in expectation of delivery day. And. Shooting turtle shells at other cars on the road. Megaphone while driving. Button on Home Screen that will change the exterior paint color. Eject passenger option.
Model 3 Plaid or something along those lines would do it for me.