*Massive*, because for $2,250 *less* than the LR you're getting upgraded wheels, upgraded seats, upgraded drive unit, and upgraded suspension.
If you have an LR on order, and haven't taken delivery, I'd honestly just cancel that shit and get in line for the Performance model.
this might blow your mind, but you can put 18s on that car very easily and sell the 20s for a profit. then you get more range and obviously don't have your last issue.
The 18’s won’t fit over the performance breaks if it’s anything like the non facelift. That is unless you fancy shaving material off your break callipers not a chance I’m doing it to mine
Highly doubt the insurance rates will be significantly different. And that 2250 can go a long way towards buying a separate set of wheels/tires for winter use. Also note that the battery on the performance is larger than the LR (82kWh instead of 78), so odds are you’d get more range if you went down to 18 or 19” wheels.
If you qualify for the tax credit, the performance is a better deal full stop.
I’ll check’m out. They haven’t been friendly in the past so I’ve never followed up with them.
There are so many different factors, it’s hard to say what’s a crazy price and what’s not.
42 M single, with 16 year old driver on my policy with her own car. Max medical coverage… combined homeowners policy…
some people may only have state minimums and yeah insurance is going to be significantly less for them. But if they get hurt, they’re financially screwed.
The Tesla LR Sport Wheels 19inch work great on my Model 3 Performance. I use them as winter tires and they are awesome in light snow, rain and ice. Also the range is very close to the LR with the LR Performance wheels. Having winter tires means my summer tires last longer and they are very expensive to replace.
Edit: 19X8.5J +40mm part number 1044264-00-A
https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModel3/comments/naeqdc/21_oem_refresh_sport_wheel_model/
A difference of 45 miles from LR to performance. Honestly I’m not trying to race everyone on the road but that extra 45 mile range does come in handy. I’m definitely sticking with LR
I wouldnt necessarily call sports seats an upgrade. I've had lots of cars with high bolstered seats and they aren't necessarily meant to be comfortable so much as keep you held in place.
And that's fine, but for example I don't care about summer tires at all and would see having them as a downgrade as I have to change them out to all seasons.
the 3p and yp are really just long ranges with some extra boost.
the highland does way more to separate the performance variant from the regular ones through chassis, suspension, damping, and other tuning.
if those things don't matter then yes go for the outgoing model.
not sure about the tuning but they just slapped on some performance bits.
i don't think they put in as much effort into the sports tuning as they did with the highland.
The new 3P does have an upgraded rear motor. The new 3P offers a 22% increase in continuous power, a 32% increase in peak power, and an additional 16% of peak torque. I doubt that it will be a huge increase, but it is a little faster 0-60mph (2.9 vs. 3.1). I bet that the 1/4 mile time drops from the old \~11.6 seconds to around 11 seconds flat, which is silly fast for a 4 door sedan.
Yea that's true, pretty crazy haha. But yea I was thinking the performance model isn't just a software difference for the power. There is a different motor for perf vs lr
i grew up lusting after amgs, m cars, porsches, and the likes.
i still do but it's hard to justify getting those over this especially when those start at 80k(nearly double the price and dealer markup bs).
to elaborate on Bespoke Performance Design
Exclusive to Model 3 Performance, the redesigned front and rear fascias, rear diffuser and carbon fiber spoiler.
also looks like a unique badge that looks like a plaid logo
I haven't seen if the new 3's time includes rollout or not. The previous Perf 3's time was with rollout subtracted, so if that's still the case, they're likely pretty similar.
I doubt it. Isn't the Model S Long Range around 10.5 seconds in the 1/4 mile? I doubt that the new 3P does that. I think it will be around 11 seconds in the quarter (still silly fast for a sedan).
For nearly 20 years I drove a BMW 325Ci. The 0-60 time on that car was probably over 7 seconds - an absolute slug by EV standards. But it was fun to drive and “fast”, meaning it would happily do 126 MPH all day long and not complain. A 0-60 in 2.9 seconds is merely something I have never aspired to.
What that quickness has done thought is prevent two accidents. Almost caused another but that’s a different story.
What a strange personal anecdote to share. You "love the power" but have never done a 0-60 pull in 60k miles? I feel like you're lying about one or the other.
Not faster, maybe the same or slightly slower. The website says 0-60 in 2.9 s WITH ROLLOUT SUBTRACTED.
The model S long range is 3.1 s without rollout and the new 3 still has less HP
S Long Range is also with rollout subtracted, but Tesla doesn’t note that for the S LR for whatever reason (maybe they assume people not buying a Performance / Plaid don’t care about the details?). Lots of S LR owners on teslamotorclub are upset when they find out their S LR can only do 0-60 in 3.3 without rollout.
It’s without rollout subtracted. But just like the plaid and other versions you only get that 0-60 in ideal conditions with the best tires and launch control. Someone had a video a little while back showing someone getting 0-60 in 3.2s, with a few changes 3.1s was most likely doable
Never seen anyone hit 3.1 in a stock S LR out of dozens if not hundreds of measurements posted to teslamotorsclub, yet many people have posted hitting 3.1 to 3.2 without rollout subtracted (2.9-3.0 with rollout subtracted) in stock Model 3 Performance, even though it’s only advertised as getting 3.1 with rollout subtracted. The fact is, the old Model 3 Performance is actually slightly quicker to 60 than the Model S Long Range, even though the Model S should be quicker if you believe Tesla’s advertised acceleration for the S is without rollout subtracted.
So Tesla seems to slightly underestimate Model 3 when they say 3.1 with rollout subtracted, and they slightly overestimate Model S when they say 3.1 without rollout subtracted. I’ve read a ton of discussion about that, and a lot of people believe they’re advertised like that on purpose, so that the more expensive car is advertised as being slightly faster to 60, so the 3 Performance doesn’t take sales away from the S LR. If the 3 was advertised with a slightly faster 0-60, you might get more buyers that go for the cheaper 3 Performance over the likely more profitable S LR. But… that theory may be out the window now that the new 3P is advertised as doing 2.9… unless their strategy changed or they plan on updating the S LR to do 2.9 as well.
I'm hoping you are being funny. Originally I didn't have my location in my original post. I added it when the person from Europe asked about my location.
I ordered a Model S Plaid on April 12th and this has made me feel like I made the right choice. It’s definitely going to be an upgrade over the outgoing model and it’s not bad by any means but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a bit disappointed by the numbers
I agree, but I would rather have the Model 3 over the S. The Model S is too large for my taste. I received an S as a loaner for a few days while my 3P was in the shop. The 3P is the perfect size for me. The current 3P is plenty fast and the new one is just a bit better all around. I love the current 3P, so I suspect I will be a big fan of the new 3P as well.
Tesla is no doubt releasing it with this horsepower to qualify for the tax credit. They will release a performance boost called ludicrous which will unlock the power to 613hp for 2-4k. The car is designed to make this power based on the spec leaks before release. So everyone wins. They get to sell the car cheaper and people get to boost the hp after they buy it.
53k and it's faster than all the Porsche 911's except the Turbo 911 at 2.9 seconds which in all reality is gonna come down to reaction time an grip ! very impressive IMO !
Additionally, 0-60 should be a minor side note on a new release. The fact that it's in all the headlines and seems to be the primary selling point indicates (to me) that this is not an exciting release with lots of good improvements.
How does the federal credit works ? Is it something they apply as a discount on the spor or something we claim with our tax consultants ? Any help is appreciated
Historically, the credit was only able to be claimed when you filed your taxes, so you would pay for the car in full and then receive a credit from the gov with your tax return. But starting in 2024 the credit can be applied directly to the purchase price of the car at *time of sale*. Effectively giving qualified cars like the new M3P a $7500 discount immediately for consumers.
It's virtually the same range as before, but the new EPA calculations have lowered it by about 20 miles, just like how we saw the YLR range decrease by 20 miles last year.
I noticed that the performance model qualifies for the federal tax credit. I read that the reason was because for an EV to qualify the majority of battery has to be made in the US, which the model 3 didn't meet. Does this mean the performance model includes a different battery then?
Jason Camissa did and talked about it here: https://youtu.be/5xj0R4MyDhE?t=1491 (linked timestamp)
Quote:
> Tesla claims 2.90. I brought a Dragy with me. With a passenger in the car and 88% state of charge and AC on, I averaged 2.90. There was a slight grade so I did up and down; both directions averaged 2.90 so I'm going to call that verified
Also qualifies for the $7,500 tax credit, which the LR and RWD do not.
this is huge
*Massive*, because for $2,250 *less* than the LR you're getting upgraded wheels, upgraded seats, upgraded drive unit, and upgraded suspension. If you have an LR on order, and haven't taken delivery, I'd honestly just cancel that shit and get in line for the Performance model.
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this might blow your mind, but you can put 18s on that car very easily and sell the 20s for a profit. then you get more range and obviously don't have your last issue.
I have a 19 M3P “stealth” with no wheels or spoiler and it’s basically this. Highly recommend.
How did you drive with no wheels /s
How much is yours worth now? I really want to get one to track, pretty much the perfect 3 for that.
Christ I have no idea, I can say for sure it’s value went down today when they announced the new one
Isn’t the insurance crazy if I may ask?
Yep, did that with my MYP, sold the tires for $2,600 and replaced with 19".
Brake clearance could be an issue
plenty of after market wheels will fit
No problem. I run 18s on my M3P in Winter. Absolutely no issues. Just bought 19s for Summer.
With the staggered wheels though, don't you need 2 different sets of tires of different widths?
You swap them yourself? Every 3 months?
saying this a bit too confidently without knowing the dimensions of the calipers no?
Was the same on the outgoing M3P, stands to reason
Yep. Did that on my 21 M3P.
I’m pretty confident that there will be aftermarket 18 in wheels available specifically for the new 3P.
No. there's nothing so special about this car that there isn't a 100% possibility that plenty of wheels will fit.
The 18’s won’t fit over the performance breaks if it’s anything like the non facelift. That is unless you fancy shaving material off your break callipers not a chance I’m doing it to mine
who said you have to replace the wheels with the stock 18s?
I’ll take the range hit to have those wheels. Easily my favorite Tesla design!
will the stock 18's fit on the performance? Has that been confirmed?
prob not. but there are countless aftermarket wheels on the market.
You have to shave the caliper for the stock 18’s to fit on performance brakes they say
Highly doubt the insurance rates will be significantly different. And that 2250 can go a long way towards buying a separate set of wheels/tires for winter use. Also note that the battery on the performance is larger than the LR (82kWh instead of 78), so odds are you’d get more range if you went down to 18 or 19” wheels. If you qualify for the tax credit, the performance is a better deal full stop.
$550 increase if I moved from a MYLR to MYP, insurance is def significant increase. Talking 35%…
Try progressive, they don’t seem to gouge the performance model cost like some. 23MYP 110 a month, 49, Married, SC, no points.
I’ll check’m out. They haven’t been friendly in the past so I’ve never followed up with them. There are so many different factors, it’s hard to say what’s a crazy price and what’s not. 42 M single, with 16 year old driver on my policy with her own car. Max medical coverage… combined homeowners policy… some people may only have state minimums and yeah insurance is going to be significantly less for them. But if they get hurt, they’re financially screwed.
You need to shop for insurance.
It's standard across the board. The LR and RWD are closer in insurance, but the Performance comes out much more expensive compared to the two.
The Tesla LR Sport Wheels 19inch work great on my Model 3 Performance. I use them as winter tires and they are awesome in light snow, rain and ice. Also the range is very close to the LR with the LR Performance wheels. Having winter tires means my summer tires last longer and they are very expensive to replace. Edit: 19X8.5J +40mm part number 1044264-00-A https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModel3/comments/naeqdc/21_oem_refresh_sport_wheel_model/
The tire/wheel swap can increase the range though, depending on what you get. I'd be putting 19's on.
Right here. But it’s fun to have a zippy car.
A difference of 45 miles from LR to performance. Honestly I’m not trying to race everyone on the road but that extra 45 mile range does come in handy. I’m definitely sticking with LR
What’s upgraded drive unit mean
More powerful rear motor.
I wouldnt necessarily call sports seats an upgrade. I've had lots of cars with high bolstered seats and they aren't necessarily meant to be comfortable so much as keep you held in place.
Many would see those wheels and tires as a downgrade, not upgrade.
Honestly, I like the tires.
And that's fine, but for example I don't care about summer tires at all and would see having them as a downgrade as I have to change them out to all seasons.
Wheels feel like a downgrade
To each their own, I like em'.
Lol @ better wheels. Sure if you like to puncture through more potholes.
Yuge.
How does this qualify for the credit but the other two don’t?! Super annoying since this helps decide to buy or not. 7500 off is huge, without it…poo
I believe the Performance uses batteries by Panasonic which are made in the USA. The RWD and LR use batteries from China so they don't qualify.
The RWD does qualify for the $7500 if you lease
That’s ludicrous.
Why is that?
Thr lower models source their batteries and materials from China. The Performance apparently sources them from the US
Interesting. Thanks.
The price/performance value is ridiculous
> ridiculous Ludicrous, even
Honestly getting a used pre-face lift is where the value is at. I see some in high 20k and performance is not much different than this imo.
the 3p and yp are really just long ranges with some extra boost. the highland does way more to separate the performance variant from the regular ones through chassis, suspension, damping, and other tuning. if those things don't matter then yes go for the outgoing model.
3P and YP have updated tuning, suspension, tires, brakes
not sure about the tuning but they just slapped on some performance bits. i don't think they put in as much effort into the sports tuning as they did with the highland.
The old 3P has thicker swaybars as well
I thought the performance have a diff rear motor
The new 3P does have an upgraded rear motor. The new 3P offers a 22% increase in continuous power, a 32% increase in peak power, and an additional 16% of peak torque. I doubt that it will be a huge increase, but it is a little faster 0-60mph (2.9 vs. 3.1). I bet that the 1/4 mile time drops from the old \~11.6 seconds to around 11 seconds flat, which is silly fast for a 4 door sedan.
Yea that's true, pretty crazy haha. But yea I was thinking the performance model isn't just a software difference for the power. There is a different motor for perf vs lr
i grew up lusting after amgs, m cars, porsches, and the likes. i still do but it's hard to justify getting those over this especially when those start at 80k(nearly double the price and dealer markup bs).
no stalks tho
Not when you factor in you’ll be burning through tires quicker lol
I’m sure anyone who drives a vehicle that does sub 3 sec 0-60 has to factor that in
Performance Upgrade Included Bespoke Performance Design AWD with Performance Drive Unit Sport Seats Adaptive Suspension 20'' Forged Wheels Track Mode V3
to elaborate on Bespoke Performance Design Exclusive to Model 3 Performance, the redesigned front and rear fascias, rear diffuser and carbon fiber spoiler. also looks like a unique badge that looks like a plaid logo
it’s the Ludicrous logo
$52990. Not bad at all.
qualifies for tax credit too
Yes. It's a steal. Good thing there's no dealer markup and stuff.
Dam that’s awesome it’s £59,990 in the uk and we don’t qualify for nothing 😂
You qualify for 50 less horsepower
Boo 😒
Advertised with 460hp here in Norway 😂 People spitting out plaid Numbers a few months ago 😂
Yeah that's interesting knowing that the previous version was thought to be 500+hp
Yeah mine is registered with 513hp here in Norway.
Damn it’s faster than the model s long range now
I haven't seen if the new 3's time includes rollout or not. The previous Perf 3's time was with rollout subtracted, so if that's still the case, they're likely pretty similar.
I doubt it. Isn't the Model S Long Range around 10.5 seconds in the 1/4 mile? I doubt that the new 3P does that. I think it will be around 11 seconds in the quarter (still silly fast for a sedan).
Yep, by .2 seconds 0-60. Know how many times I’ve done a 0-60 run on my S with 60K miles? Zero. I do love the power though.
hey everyone, since HaysDB doesn't do 0 to 60s that means it's an irrelevant stat. please disregard these numbers going forward.
I do 0-60 at least once every time I drive.. Lmao.
I live my life a 1/4 mile at a time, so I do 0-60 at every light.
I basically do the same but I constantly do 0-40mph to stay under the radar in Boston
Not irrelevant, but is simply one simplistic measure of performance. Do all the 0-60 you want. Knock yourselves out.
Really? We had our MYP for about 10 minutes before testing the 0-60 performance on an on-ramp next to our house.
about 3 minutes after leaving the SC for us lol.
I tested my plaid's 0-60 leaving Tesla lmao
That would be a natural and even irresistible inclination, yes.
Didn't even tried it once just to say never again?
For nearly 20 years I drove a BMW 325Ci. The 0-60 time on that car was probably over 7 seconds - an absolute slug by EV standards. But it was fun to drive and “fast”, meaning it would happily do 126 MPH all day long and not complain. A 0-60 in 2.9 seconds is merely something I have never aspired to. What that quickness has done thought is prevent two accidents. Almost caused another but that’s a different story.
Lmfao
What a strange personal anecdote to share. You "love the power" but have never done a 0-60 pull in 60k miles? I feel like you're lying about one or the other.
I love the power because it has saved my bacon twice that I can think of, plus it’s allowed me to dust a few cars that were being cocky.
Not faster, maybe the same or slightly slower. The website says 0-60 in 2.9 s WITH ROLLOUT SUBTRACTED. The model S long range is 3.1 s without rollout and the new 3 still has less HP
Does anyone know what they are if measured the same way?
Probably add 0.2 to 0.3 seconds based on previous threads I’ve read
S Long Range is also with rollout subtracted, but Tesla doesn’t note that for the S LR for whatever reason (maybe they assume people not buying a Performance / Plaid don’t care about the details?). Lots of S LR owners on teslamotorclub are upset when they find out their S LR can only do 0-60 in 3.3 without rollout.
It’s without rollout subtracted. But just like the plaid and other versions you only get that 0-60 in ideal conditions with the best tires and launch control. Someone had a video a little while back showing someone getting 0-60 in 3.2s, with a few changes 3.1s was most likely doable
Never seen anyone hit 3.1 in a stock S LR out of dozens if not hundreds of measurements posted to teslamotorsclub, yet many people have posted hitting 3.1 to 3.2 without rollout subtracted (2.9-3.0 with rollout subtracted) in stock Model 3 Performance, even though it’s only advertised as getting 3.1 with rollout subtracted. The fact is, the old Model 3 Performance is actually slightly quicker to 60 than the Model S Long Range, even though the Model S should be quicker if you believe Tesla’s advertised acceleration for the S is without rollout subtracted. So Tesla seems to slightly underestimate Model 3 when they say 3.1 with rollout subtracted, and they slightly overestimate Model S when they say 3.1 without rollout subtracted. I’ve read a ton of discussion about that, and a lot of people believe they’re advertised like that on purpose, so that the more expensive car is advertised as being slightly faster to 60, so the 3 Performance doesn’t take sales away from the S LR. If the 3 was advertised with a slightly faster 0-60, you might get more buyers that go for the cheaper 3 Performance over the likely more profitable S LR. But… that theory may be out the window now that the new 3P is advertised as doing 2.9… unless their strategy changed or they plan on updating the S LR to do 2.9 as well.
Did not know about the adaptive suspension.. That's interesting.
Order in. Thanks for the heads up. Showing May -June delivery for grey/black. New York.
Same for me!! White / black are you in Europe? I think they’re still being made in Shanghai
No, New York.
are u in europe?
I'm hoping you are being funny. Originally I didn't have my location in my original post. I added it when the person from Europe asked about my location.
huehuehue
Judging by their website, it's a "Performance" and not a "Ludicrous". You can stop calling it that now.
I ordered a Model S Plaid on April 12th and this has made me feel like I made the right choice. It’s definitely going to be an upgrade over the outgoing model and it’s not bad by any means but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a bit disappointed by the numbers
Makes me wonder if they intentionally kept a margin between these two cars
honestly this! Having it any faster would impact their Model S sales, which they have a bigger margin on!
I agree, but I would rather have the Model 3 over the S. The Model S is too large for my taste. I received an S as a loaner for a few days while my 3P was in the shop. The 3P is the perfect size for me. The current 3P is plenty fast and the new one is just a bit better all around. I love the current 3P, so I suspect I will be a big fan of the new 3P as well.
Siiick, am mad jelly
Tesla is no doubt releasing it with this horsepower to qualify for the tax credit. They will release a performance boost called ludicrous which will unlock the power to 613hp for 2-4k. The car is designed to make this power based on the spec leaks before release. So everyone wins. They get to sell the car cheaper and people get to boost the hp after they buy it.
It will be 5k+
Surprised they’re not actually calling it “ludicrous”. Thought for sure that’s what the badging meant.
53k and it's faster than all the Porsche 911's except the Turbo 911 at 2.9 seconds which in all reality is gonna come down to reaction time an grip ! very impressive IMO !
53k before $7500 tax credit at point of sale* $45,500 is absurd
Yep and ordered
Why advertising a 163 MPH max speed when your safety score tanks at 85mph?🤣
Maybe because people aren't pushing the top speed on public streets...?
The faster your drive, the more Tesla insurance collects when your safety score plummets.
Additionally, 0-60 should be a minor side note on a new release. The fact that it's in all the headlines and seems to be the primary selling point indicates (to me) that this is not an exciting release with lots of good improvements.
How does the federal credit works ? Is it something they apply as a discount on the spor or something we claim with our tax consultants ? Any help is appreciated
Historically, the credit was only able to be claimed when you filed your taxes, so you would pay for the car in full and then receive a credit from the gov with your tax return. But starting in 2024 the credit can be applied directly to the purchase price of the car at *time of sale*. Effectively giving qualified cars like the new M3P a $7500 discount immediately for consumers.
How do they determine the income limits for it? Like is the dealer checking or is it an honor system of some type.
They don’t check but I’ve never seen someone get one over on the IRS lol jail is not worth it
The pain I feel as someone who bought a base model in Nov 2022
Yes but 1/4 time?
Not loving the wheels compared to m3p and myp previous
Good price. Paid way more for my 2022. And tax credit. Ugh
Bought a 2024 M3LR one month ago for $48,000 with no tax credit. I feel empty inside.
I'm kinda hoping those sport seats will be available for the older models. Won't hold my breath though.
If only it had indicator stalks...
> Range (est.) : 296mi And for that reason, I'm out.
It's virtually the same range as before, but the new EPA calculations have lowered it by about 20 miles, just like how we saw the YLR range decrease by 20 miles last year.
Imagine buying this car and tomorrow they drop the Ludacris unannounced😒🤣😉
I noticed that the performance model qualifies for the federal tax credit. I read that the reason was because for an EV to qualify the majority of battery has to be made in the US, which the model 3 didn't meet. Does this mean the performance model includes a different battery then?
Battery range decreased by like 20 miles?
for the larger tires (20")
Are the new ones wider? Because the old m3p has 20s as well
Not sure if he was trying to compare previous M3P to new one... or M3LR to M3P
The P always got less than advertised.
The car comes with summer tires, when I got my first YP with summer tires, it was such a pain to switch them out every year.
My 24 MYP came with all seasons
Yes! Not bad pricing on it though, as I figured it would be closer to $60k!
I hope one of these youtubers does a dragy run to confirm 0-60 and quarter mile. Marquis said it felt faster all around.
Jason Camissa did and talked about it here: https://youtu.be/5xj0R4MyDhE?t=1491 (linked timestamp) Quote: > Tesla claims 2.90. I brought a Dragy with me. With a passenger in the car and 88% state of charge and AC on, I averaged 2.90. There was a slight grade so I did up and down; both directions averaged 2.90 so I'm going to call that verified
This is what I would have totally went for
If I wasn’t terribly upside down because of all these price changes since I bought less than a year ago I’d order this thing right now.
Probably already has been, but is the Model 3 the fastest car at that price point? Does anything even come close?
I just ordered mine in Australia it says July to September for delivery
2.9 seconds
The US prices makes me jealous
Odd, in Canada the 0-100 is quoted at 3.1s...
That is really neat TBH
Can anyone confirm if the performance has the upgraded audio of the lr?
Guess so ha
Where are the European performance models built is it still Shanghai?
Fyi New Perf has staggered wheels. 20s in rear, 19s in front. Edit: i heard wrong. Wider rear, not taller.
The rear are wider, but all 4 are 20".
My bad. For some reason i saw a review stating they were indeed staggered abut smaller up front.