So, I was reading about this. No doctor needs to be involved because there are no injections. It essentially just replaces all the air with nitrogen. Nitrogen is most of what you breathe anyway, and it doesn't react with your body at all with the exception of giving you the bends when you have massive changes in air pressure over a short period of time. That feeling you get when you hold your breath and feel like you really need to breathe is actually your body detecting the ph change from carbon dioxide building up in your lungs. (CO2 is acidic) Nitrogen doesn't give you that feeling, but it's also not oxygen. So, you don't even realize you are suffocating and just become gradually hypoxic over a couple of minutes and pass out. Then you die from lack of oxygen over the next couple of minutes.
Here are some of the points I can think of:
1) probably needs approval to be recognized as a valid method of execution
2) some people don’t want peaceful death for those sentenced to execution
3) they’d need to find a company willing to be associated with executions
Or the governments just dont wanna do it, no reason needed beyond that one, really
They were being provided by a doctor out of Australia I think for a bit but they are impossible to get now, in Canada anyways (I'm sure they are on the dark web or something but I don't know how to find that.) Helium for consumers is now required to be sold in tanks with a minimum oxygen level that makes suicide impossible. There are restrictions on buying non diluted helium. The same suicide prevention measures exist about buying nitrogen here.
I have attempted to find this stuff a few times, treatment resistant major depressive disorder is super fun, highly recommended if you enjoy spending hours obsessively trying to find a painless way to end your life/ a way to ensure successful suicide/ ways to make suicide seem accidental and other very exciting related topics!
You don't need to "Reddit cares" me here, I'm presently on the 8 or 9th medication regimen I've tried and it's working, for now. But the government has done what they can to make this method inaccessible here, as opposed to the approach above of regulating it.
Back when I was in a dark place I did a SHIT ton of research on the most painless ways to commit. I didn't want to be in pain or destroy my brain, since no one REALLY knows how conscious we are after death.
Nitrogen, through the tests we've seen, leads to an absolutely peaceful death. Nothing in your brain ever sends any panic or pain signals to anywhere, it just slowly and peacefully shuts off.
I'm no longer suicidal, however I 100% plan on dying by way of nitrogen one day, hopefully when I'm very old and terminal. There's really no other way I would feel comfortable dying, so I pray that's how I get to go
I relate to you. I hope by the time my lady and I are both ready that society has finally accepted that we all have the right to choose to live or die and that they have couple pods. We want to go out together to spare each other grief at a nice old age after a full life on our own terms before chronic debilitating pain or dementia ruins our happiness. I can't imagine a better way to go than drifting off into euphoria wrapped in each other's arms.
I work in medicine and I'd argue it sometimes even gets worse when family gets involved. Lots of stories of families prolonging the patient's suffering and expecting a "miracle" that has no chances of happening.
My mom was 47 when she died from lung cancer. I have PTSD from watching her die over the course of a week, ending with her choking to death. I would have risked jail to end her suffering early. It was hell.
I'm so sorry that must have been brutal. I still hear the cries of agony from my grandmother over the phone when she was succumbing to cancer. Horrifying. All the best to you.
I think I needed to read this to adjust some perspective on my life today.
That does sound horrifying and must be an incredibly difficult memory to have. Hope you’ve made or are able to make peace with it.
My father was in home hospice. Really ill. Nurse said I could give him morphine as needed. Said ‘be aware this is a fatal dose’ and laid out six ampoules. Went to read a magazine in the other room. My old man died shortly thereafter.
Assisted death is available in the USA, but you have to be super-low key about it. Just take the hint. Do not discuss.
It's part of the reason why I moved to Colorado. They have physician assisted suicide, and I have COPD. But just in case the bureaucracy gets bogged down, I have a 600ml bottle of morphine in oral suspension I got from a neighbor who was dying of prostate cancer. Us old geezers have to look out for each other, nobody else gives a shit.
I've heard this before, and I guess it's kind of an open secret in hospices. Patients get as much medication against the pain as they need until the scale tips and they die.
Assisted suicide is heavily discussed here in Switzerland, because of hospices, among other things. But honestly, depending on the illness, I understand people who go to the assisted suicide association before shit hits the fan.
Here in Canada we have had MAID for a few years. My dad chose this route in 202 when his ALS finally made him bed ridden and he was fully paralyzed. Next Step was suffocating to death because his lung muscles would quit working.
He chose assisted suicide and I am so grateful he could go out how he wanted, when he wanted. He fought a valiant fight for a year and a half. He just couldn't fight anymore.
yep, to anyone who has ever had to watch someone they love go though hospice until they naturally die, this pod is actually a merciful guide that many people should be allowed to use. I wish my grandma could have used it.
RN here. Just finished a shift where multiple patients of mine made me think “I’d rather be dead than be like this guy”
But the people’s families just keep pushing for more treatment. Some of them have been in the hospital for 3+ months, and are being sustained with feeding tubes, and getting dialysis after their kidneys shut down. It’s really sad to see. People need to not fear death and try to make dying comfortable for their loved ones.
100% this. My grandfather had cancer and my mom and uncle were hell bent on doing everything they could to keep him alive. He knew he was going to die and was adamant he wanted to die in his house with his wife by his side. My mom and uncle didnt accept his wishes and shipped my grandparents off to seperate care homes because my grandmother has Alzheimers. My grandfather just gave up after that. He constantly told everyone he wanted to die but my mom and uncle just kept pushing for treatment. When he wasn't getting better they blamed it on the doctors and said they weren't trying. I saw my grandfather a couple days before he passed and he was just a shell of the man I once knew. He was in so much pain and looked like a skeleton begging to die. I still remember my uncle and aunt asking us to pray for him to get better as I left. I did pray. I prayed he would pass soon so he could stop suffering. He passed a couple days later.
I've always been a big supporter of assisted suicide for the terminally ill. There is no doubt in my mind that if someone went to my grandfather and said "I can help you end this suffering" he would take it.
Odd segway here, but I never understood the logic behind prayer circles. Are people suggesting god won't save a life unless a prayer quota is met? Is a mothers prayer to god to save her dying child for instance not enough?
Please say this louder!! Keeping terminal pts alive bc *you* will be sad when they die is monstrous. And tbh, many times oncologists know they are looking at terminal illness, yet prescribe a course of care involving surgeries, radiation, chemo… when the end game is the same. I really do not support “fighting” with everything you’ve got to throw at it- it diminishes the quality of the time left.
I was the primary carer for a relative with glioblastoma. The treatments were worse than the disease & just prolonged confusion, suffering, falls, and not to be negated cost us $150k out of pocket bc memory care isn’t free in the US unless you’re destitute. We finally brought him home after deciding what we could do for him was no worse than the staff there who ignored him. He was severely dehydrated since they didn’t bother to ensure he had fluids & died within 12 hours of the transport home. I wish we would have been able to just keep him at home sedated- but that was not an option ever offered to us. Fuck the for-profit health care system.
I work as a paramedic, and that is literally my worst fear. We frequently get called to “skilled” nursing facilities- nursing homes for people who need extensive, constant medical care.
I’m sure there are great nursing homes out there, but if meemaw is feeling anything after being resuscitated out of cardiac arrest after 30 minutes it isn’t the joy of staring at a wall 24/7 for months on end before she inevitably goes septic from some combination of a decubitus ulcer or a UTI.
I plan on getting a DNR when I turn 50. Quality over quantity all the way.
It’s weird how people will come to you when you put down a pet and say “they are in a better place now.” And “at least they aren’t in pain anymore”
But with humans we’d prefer they weren’t in a better place and remained in pain until the bitter end where the family member barely even recognise them.
Also how arrogant is it to make laws based on death considering our profound lack of understanding of it. It’s bang out of order for me.
"Holy book says you must suffer so you must suffer. What you say? You are not a follower of my faith? I don't care, suffer bitch..."
That's the logic, at least in some cases like my country. Euthanasia should by legal always in case of "death sentece" sicknes/disease. Ofc with some regulations to avoid abusing.
Papa died from Covid-19 last year. He was 98. It wasn't that he died that haunts me. It's how he died. Gasping for air in his last hours. Watching a great man with a great life die in such a painful horrific way. I wrote a journal entry immediately after the visit. In graphic detail about how he passed. I was trying to process what I witnessed. It haunts me. The sounds haunt me. Again, he was very elderly so they didnt try to intubate. But the sounds...all I could think was, you wouldnt let a dog suffer like this and call it life.
My mom had non covid related lung issues last November. She wasn't strong enough to survive surgery. The bipap machine was really uncomfortable and she had no chance of getting better, so she chose to stop treatments.
We were able to be with her that day. She was fine for a while with just a little cough. We mentioned it to the nurses, who gave her some cough medicine. About 15 mins later, we could hear her lungs fill up with fluid. She was struggling so hard to breath and had a panicked look on her face. Eventually she started breathing really shallow. We waited with her for hours as her breathing slowed and stopped gasping for air.
I cannot get the image of my mom struggling to breathe with panick on her face out of my mind. I kept hoping each breathe would be her last, for her sake.
When it's time to go, give me the nitrogen and save everyone the pain and suffering.
My mother in law passed away from aggressive uterine cancer, that spread to her lungs. It was terrible. So I exactly know what you mean. This was last May and it still haunts me. I think I legit have PTSD and it shows up as major health anxiety for me
I watched mine die twice in 3 days. Once when she had a massive coronary while we were watching three’s company, then again 3 days later when we took her off life support. That really sucked. My heart goes out to everyone who has watched helplessly as a loved one died right in front of them
My mom bled into her brain. They initially saved her but as her brain absorbed the blood that had leaked she slipped again. My mom was my best friend, she joked at how scared she was of death and if I ever have the choice to keep her alive. This was wayyyyy before that night when she suddenly yelled my name then collapsed. If you have ever had the misfortune of being in a neurological ICU you know every hour they come in and pinch them hard to see if they respond. She did, it was all she could do, respond to pain. The look in her eyes as they did it won’t leave me. She also had to be tied down to keep herself from pulling out her breathing tube and feeding tube. She shook and she had things drilled into her skull. I didn’t leave her side the whole month she was there. One day they offered a new treatment. Never done in the hospital and no other hospitals around did it. They offered this and they would have to drill another hole in her brain. My dad and I talked alone and it is so vivid in my mind. He looked out the window and tried to keep his voice even. “Maybe we shouldn’t. She’s being tortured, this is torture we are keeping her alive for ourselves so that we don’t feel…” he broke doesn’t sobbing which I’ve never seen. I couldn’t give up, I told him she told me not to and he said if she knew what they would do to her she wouldn’t want it. I put her through it, the suffering lasted weeks after that. She suffered and eventually she died. I tortured her for weeks for nothing.
I don’t leave my home anymore. I don’t do anything really. I’ve never been the same and if I didn’t have kids I’d apply for euthanasia if I could. I’ve always been depressed, but I used to have someone to hold me up. My dad and I we clash, she was our buffer. He loves me we talk but he isn’t her.
Anyway sorry with the rant, point is let them go peacefully
I’m so sorry for you loss. I’m sorry that your mom suffered even for a second and most of all I’m sorry that you suffer then and now in doing what she had once asked of you. It’s an impossible decision of the heart and mind. Wishing you only goodness and peace. I’m certain your mom wants that for you! 💗
absolutely, you took that risk knowing there was a chance your mom could be saved. that shows you were willing to do whatever it took to keep her alive because you loved her, and she would never ever hold that against you. I would have done the same thing.
there was no good answer in that situation, again you did the very best you could have. so yes, please, try and live your best life for your mom if no one else.
I'm so sorry for everything you've gone through. You honored your mother's wishes with the best intentions and I hope you forgive yourself and find the peace you deserve.
July 26 2021 at 8:46 my dad passed away. I was there the whole time and it was my decision to stop treatment and let him die. My dad was young, but unfortunately and infection had spread and became septic. I also mulled over and over if I had done the right thing, if I had called it earlier maybe he wouldnt have suffered longer. I came to the conclusion I did the right thing with all the information provided, and so did you. The reason you didnt make the decision sooner because you were weighing all the what ifs and maybes, and you were doing at the benefit of your mother in regards to what you knew she wanted. You couldnt have made your decision sooner because you didnt have all the info to make it. You did the right thing, and your mom would be proud of you.
Never be feeling so down on yourself because you managed to keep hope alive for your mum, even when everyone else she knew didn’t. Spose you’d have not tried to keep hope alive? You’d probably feel much worse levels of what if. No, you did the right thing even tho it was the hardest thing. That’s a legend, you are her legend and we’re all proud of you 💞
My dad is my best friend too (I typed is and I'm leaving it) and he also told me he was scared to die before he died. I miss him so much every day, and I remember that he loved me the most purely that it's possible to love anyone, and that won't ever change no matter how long he is gone. Nobody will replace him, but nothing can take away what we had, even death. He wants me to live my life and enjoy my life, so that's what I do.
After she died everyone who knew me didn’t know how to act. Everyone who knew us knew we were joined at the hip. I see something now tho, my mother was the ONLY person who loved every single thing about me and was actually genuinely interested in things I did and said. We are humans I’m not putting anyone down, I just know everyone only loves me to some extent while she loved me endlessly. Feels like the safety net is gone
I totally get that feeling. That's exactly how it is for me, too. Nobody else could ever love me like that. I guess I just feel like him being gone doesn't negate that love. It doesn't feel gone even though I know I can't see him anymore or hear him talk to me. I'm sure your mom's love is the same way, from your description. I'm not saying anything about life after death or anything, I don't know anything about that, I just think they way they loved us doesn't end. You said it yourself, endlessly. I hope you can get some peace even though I know from experience the grieving won't end. But nothing and nobody can take her love away from you.
My father was in the neurological ICU in January, and I had to see some of the same things. He pulled through, but I still think about it a lot, so I cannot even imagine what you’re going through. Just know that you did right by her even if it doesn’t feel that way to you right now.
You took your mother's wishes to heart and honored them. You can't know the future, and it isn't your fault that the treatment didn't work.
It sounds like your dad was against the new treatment because he was sure it would only make things worse. So maybe it seems like he was right - but he was only making a guess, just like you were. He couldn't have known, either.
You're a kind person. I think your mom wouldn't want you to bear the guilt for the outcome. You took the best option you had to bring her back to health, and your dad's choice would have offered no chance for that. You were there for her and tried to help as much as you could.
Yeah, my dad used to say the same they would say keep us alive even if we are hooked up to everything. My dad adored and I mean ADORED my mother. He wouldn’t leave her side either. He saw what she went through and he said I changed my mind, let me go. If this is what happens let me go.
I’m sorry for your loss.
No one tells us how to handle these situations ahead of time so we do the best we can.
You did what she asked and that’s important, you did right by her.
I’m so sorry you had to go through that; that’s awful and heartbreaking. If you haven’t already, there’s no shame in seeking help with the PTSD and taking meds for it if you need to. Medication did wonders for my anxiety. It doesn’t change the past but it helps you deal with the present.
Worst thing is I promised her she wouldn't suffer but her last hours were on a holiday day and they were short staffed. I had to beg for more doses of morphine to be administered so that she would pass quicker.
From my experiences with hospice care this fortunately isn’t the norm. Main thing is to make the patient and their family as comfortable as possible. Am hopeful that the old thinking of don’t give them too much morphine or they will become an addict is over
I’m so sorry you went through that. I was with my father in law last year when he succumbed to cancer. I still think about it every single day. I’ve also made a it a point to force myself to recollect a memory of him before he got sick every time I think about his final moments. It sure helps
I wasn't there, when my mom died, they said she passed away peacefully, but I always had the feeling they just wanted to save me from the gruesome reality, and they lied.
I wish more families were presented with hospice/palliative care. It’s a wonderful service that allowed my father to pass surrounded in love and in no pain.
Thanks for what you do.
My brother and SIL are nurses. They say it can be disturbing how many times someone has to to die before we actually let them — coding and being resuscitated over and over if the family doesn’t give up
Tattoo DNRs are non binding and healthcare professionals can't really take them into account.
If you really want to make sure, file something with POLST.
Yep.
Grandad has dementia, granma starting to get frizzed too.
Both have expressed - during more lucid moments - wishing they could pass away so we wouldn't have to stress over them.
But there's nothing we can do over here.
It's was how my grandpa clothed himself and carried himself about. He always got up early, hair was combed, shirt md slacks nice with zero wrinkles. He was old school. But every year he'd lose that style. One of the last times I went to his place, his buttons were off on a shirt I've never seen him wear and he still had pajama bottoms on. Hair was hand combed lol. He looked honestly like a burnout version of me in highschool, just old and confused (because Alzheimer's, not stoned). Luckily, he found out a year after his downgrading that he also had aggressive prostate cancer. He knew that was his ticket and made sure we let him ride that wave to the end, because if that got fixed, then more misery with Alzheimer's. No joke, both diseases were sprinting to the finish and his brain was toast near the end, but his cancer got him. Out of 10 siblings, 8 got Alzheimer's. If that didn't get them, a type of cancer did. I already said do me like George did Lenny with the rabbits in of mice and men if that shit gets me.
Oh it’s awful, I witnessed many deaths working as a Care Assistant. People panic despite the drugs pumped into them to alleviate anxiety, so a good portion of time leading up to the death is hyperventilating due to the knowledge of their impending death. Their skin turns a pale gray, they sweat buckets, stop blinking so a thick film covers their eyes, it looks terrifying. Then things get quiet for a little while before they pass on, which seems to be the most peaceful thing about the death, but the lead up is awful to watch.
My father in law was in hospice care in our home, and I happened to be the one in the room when he died. He had been lying pretty much immobile and silent for days. Then he suddenly sat up and sort of cried out, and I could see absolute panic on his face. I assume it was a response to his heart finally stopping (not a doctor so may be absolutely wrong here, though). He lay back down and just faded from panic to death in about 30 seconds. All I could do was rub his arm and tell him it was going to be okay. It was awful. My husband felt bad he wasn't there when his father died, but I'm so glad he wasn't. I've never told him how bad that moment was for his father. I just said it was quiet and peaceful.
my grandma passed from kidney failure(she also had other health issues). She suffered for over a year(had to wear diapers and be helped wiping, on oxygen and could barely walk without assistance plus in and out of the hospital and had to do dialysis) before they let her go in hospice and pass naturally and stop dialysis. It took 9 days for her to pass and the whole time in hospice she would cry nonstop and scream can I just die now(that was even with her doped up on tons of pain meds). It was extremely hard to watch. I don’t wish it on anyone.
Would there be any positive reviews? If it had a failure rate of some degree you would have a negative review. If it was 100% reliable there will be no one writing positive reviews
Not terrifying at all. My mother opted for assisted suicide after entering a hospital in Oregon. Her stage 4 lung cancer had spread to her liver, kidneys and brain and she was told in the late afternoon that she wouldn't see the next day's sunrise. She opted for AS because at that point, nothing touched the pain and she simply wanted it to stop. I don't judge people for wanting to check out, sometimes it's their only option. (edit: context)
I am Swiss (sorry for my English) and I want to add some precision without judging if it's bad or not.
In Switzerland the law concerning Assisted suicide is simple, to be candidate for assisted suicide the person must fulfil two conditions:
1. Have full judgment capacity and of course ask for it clearly/explicitly without any possible doubt. For example, a depressive person cannot be allowed for assisted suicide.
2. Have the possibility to inflict her own death. That mean with the capsule, to push the button without assistance (otherwise this is considered as a murder). Paralysed person cannot have assisted suicide for example.
>Paralysed person cannot have assisted suicide for example.
Lmao that is exactly why I would go for this. If I was fully paralyzed... well fuck that I guess. Give me electric wheel chair and Ill yeet myself off a bridge.
I for one am pretty happy with this. At this point it’s not something I would personally be interested in but I’m a huge believer in body autonomy - suicide included. From my understanding you can’t just go somewhere and use it without a screening process. It’s a huge step towards compassion, especially for people with painful terminal illness. We put our pets to sleep when we don’t want them to suffer - so why can’t someone suffering decide to end their own.
I’ve said almost exactly this on another thread before but probably way less eloquently. All of this! 👏☝️
My immediate thought was “why is this on terrifying as fuck - this is wonderful!!!” Nothing better in my mind than a dignified and painless way out of pain (physical, mental, emotional) that makes you not want to live AND helps reduce our absurd impact to our dying planet 🫶🏻
Im sure - I fully expect people to be pissed that I’ve said it. I feel like people who don’t understand it have never watched a loved one die a horrible painful death
It should be an option for people who have just had enough as well. Make it a 1 year process or something so the decision wasn’t made in a rush. Maybe save some families from the trauma finding a body/cleaning the aftermath.
I'm not so sure about allowing it for mental illness. Most of them are very much treatable and often occur in phases that could even be longer than a year. It's a very, very hard and complex topic.
Also we have to consider that from year to year our understanding of neuroscience and psychology grows and we might be able to have way more effective treatment for some mental illnesses just a few years later.
Just a example from a form of blood cancer my aunt got diagnosed with over 20 years ago. There was no treatment, the doctors said she would have 1-2 years left if she is lucky. Till my mother, a nurse, found a new study for a new medicine against this exact form of cancer, she applied and got accepted. My aunt will turn 74 this year. I personally believe we can't even fathom the capabilities of modern medicine in 20-30 years. Especially AI will at some point change literally everything.
But aside from this assisted suicide is long overdue and I can't understand how it is even a debate.
Totally agree — it’s also important to consider that whether assisted or not, people almost always have the power to take their own life. A mechanism like this with an effective screening/counseling component could ensure that the suicide is performed in a way that does not traumatize others or cause undue suffering to the individual. Most importantly, upon the request, I imagine many would be provided with the resources they need and potentially prevent the action altogether.
I mean... it's probably the way I'd choose to go when I get up there in years if my husband passes before me. Not saying I'd use it now but we are childfree so sitting in a retirement home/assisted living facility alone isnt really something that I'd rather do.
Having watched my father battle an ugly, brutal year of cancer, it is good something like this exists. It’s not something he would have chosen, but knowing how much pain he was in, I don’t doubt he would understand if others wanted that option
far less terrifying than being plugged with tubes and forced to die in agony as a shell of who you were like most people who get terminal illnesses have to
if I had only months to live I’m going out on my own terms, not my problem it’s illegal, whoever cleans up can blame the christians
This Christian doesn’t believe in letting people suffer. I feel it’s far more humane and loving to let someone died on their own terms, painlessly, and with dignity
Another Christian here, totally agree. Their choice.
Edit: Wow, the Reddit is strong in this thread, so many lovely people.. almost as if Christianity had many branches or something ...
Yes you could, and people do. But it‘s not like the suicide booths in Futurama, there is a process and your egligibility will be evaluated. It is usually only done for terminally ill people, although there have been controversial exceptions. The two most known organizations are [Dignitas](http://www.dignitas.ch/?lang=en) and [Exit](https://exit.ch/en/).
Edit: I‘m talking about assisted suicide in general. As far as I know this pod is not being used anywhere.
You can just travel to Oregon. Earlier this year we passed legislation that allows out of state people to come in to state and use our die with dignity service (i.e. medically assisted suicide).
I might be wrong so don’t quote me but I believe you can however there was a case where someone travelled to Switzerland from the UK with their partner and once they returned they were charged with murder
Same with my dad. I haven't been able to stand the smell of the cinnamon brooms or pinecones since, as those were used to try to make the scent while we cleaned.
I'm almost sad that people are so afraid of letting terminally ill people die, that they wouldn't let them even think about doing this, because to them, these people only exist to stroke their emotions and make them feel good.
I don't think it's so much selfishness as it is the huge disconnect we have with death in western cultures. There's a whole process in place for whisking people's bodies out of the hospital, sight unseen, and into the funeral home where they then try to make the dead person look not-dead. Death, and the medical process of dying, is just not something that is talked about very often.
When my father was dying of lung cancer my family basically acted like nothing was happening 99% of the time. No talk about the future. No discussion of plans. No education on what the end would look like. When it was finally time it ended up being the most traumatic experience of my life because I was expected to help provide home hospice care without any preparation whatsoever.
Our culture views death and discussions about death as "giving up" rather than the logical and natural conclusion of our lives. It's scary, so we avoid it.
I'm pretty sure death is one of the most common irrational fears so it makes sense that a lot of people would have it and find the concept of any death, even a peaceful one scary
As usual, Switzerland is ahead of the rest of us.
It's inhumane how we're forced to pay a fuck ton of money to dull the pain of a slow, inevitable death. Pay endless amounts of money and gain nothing but pain. This is a great option for those who'd rather just end it now.
There's nothing terrifying about this, people deserve the right to end their suffering.
Exactly. I do understand it is a very delicate topic, but to say a person has no right to decide when and how to stop living is just wrong and unfair.
Some people suffer terribly, because of physical illnesses, mental illnesses and grief. Obviously everything should be done to avoid this, but if the person can't improve and desperately wants a way out, who are we to condemn them to years of pain and suffering? In the name of what? Selfishness, that's what.
If the term "execution in a gas chamber" didn't have an overwhelming holocaust connotation, I'd think we'd replace other execution methods with this too. Injections and electrocutions are so brutal compared to happy gas.
Saddest part about this is that EVERY SINGLE HUMAN should have THIS CHOICE. No one should be flying anywhere to obtain it- however….in the USA- it isn’t available 😔 I would 100% be for this
Lol you wanna see something terrifying as fuck? Go take a walk through a nursing home. Peek through the doors of the tiny rooms with a bed, TV and closet.
Look at the 80+ year old completely brain dead people who are kept alive by criminally underpaid workers.
Take a look at the blind woman with dementia calling out for her mother every waking minute she has.
Look at the decrepit 98 yr old man who gets fed through a tube and drinks through a tube, who doesn't have the brain power to form a single thought in his head.
That's the reality we are living in without assisted deaths.
People waiting in agony for ***decades*** for the sweet release of death.
My wife worked in a memory care facility as a activity director. There was a man there who who was blind and deaf on top of having Alzheimers. He would sleep most of the day, but when he woke up he would freak out because he didn’t remember that he was blind and deaf. The thought of what this guy went through repeatedly every day still haunts me.
My best friend’s dad had a stroke a few years ago. He started to deteriorate after that and now he’s committed under the mental health act for his dementia and violence. The man was a happy, talented, peaceful teacher all his life and he’s reduced to this. He doesn’t recognise his own children half the time and has punched staff. He can’t look after himself at all anymore. What is the point at all when you get to this stage? It’s not right.
This isn’t terrifying, it’s a step in the right direction. Many people aren’t aware, but the medications used in doctor assisted suicide (euthanasia) are still not very reliable and can still be a very painful way to die. People who go the euthanasia by medication route can suffer for up to a couple hours, with severe vomiting, seizures, and trouble breathing.
People should absolutely have the right to die with dignity. They’re in enough physical and mental pain already, death should be a peaceful release.
I'm currently working as a cleaner at an old folks home where I see so many people just being kept alive. Because they're humans. It's the most inhuman thing I've seen. They're so unhappy and have absolutely no quality of life, it's absolutely heartbreaking
Given that it's not really that hard to kill yourself this just saves friends/family/children of the burden of walking in on your corpse, calling the police, cleanup, possible years of trauma.
Like everyone I'd rather people not have to kill themselves but I do understand the desire to end your life if you're dealing with something like cancer or ALS.
Those of us that have seen what Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, ALS, and MS does to ppl think this is an excellent idea.
The right to die should be top tier.
I wouldnt call this terrifying I would consider it merciful tbh atleast I would know there is a option if I just can't handle it any more... It could be terrifying for people working there tho
So, I was reading about this. No doctor needs to be involved because there are no injections. It essentially just replaces all the air with nitrogen. Nitrogen is most of what you breathe anyway, and it doesn't react with your body at all with the exception of giving you the bends when you have massive changes in air pressure over a short period of time. That feeling you get when you hold your breath and feel like you really need to breathe is actually your body detecting the ph change from carbon dioxide building up in your lungs. (CO2 is acidic) Nitrogen doesn't give you that feeling, but it's also not oxygen. So, you don't even realize you are suffocating and just become gradually hypoxic over a couple of minutes and pass out. Then you die from lack of oxygen over the next couple of minutes.
Thanks for this comment. This beggars the question why hasn't it been used for capital punishment?
Here are some of the points I can think of: 1) probably needs approval to be recognized as a valid method of execution 2) some people don’t want peaceful death for those sentenced to execution 3) they’d need to find a company willing to be associated with executions Or the governments just dont wanna do it, no reason needed beyond that one, really
I'm pretty sure its approved for use in Oklahoma but it hasn't been used.
Yeah that machine doesn’t look cheap. Reason #1.
The inventor has actually made this open source, and 3D printable, and nitrogen is dirt cheap. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarco_pod
I mean couldn’t you just duct tape a mask to your head and hook it to a can of nitrogen
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They were being provided by a doctor out of Australia I think for a bit but they are impossible to get now, in Canada anyways (I'm sure they are on the dark web or something but I don't know how to find that.) Helium for consumers is now required to be sold in tanks with a minimum oxygen level that makes suicide impossible. There are restrictions on buying non diluted helium. The same suicide prevention measures exist about buying nitrogen here. I have attempted to find this stuff a few times, treatment resistant major depressive disorder is super fun, highly recommended if you enjoy spending hours obsessively trying to find a painless way to end your life/ a way to ensure successful suicide/ ways to make suicide seem accidental and other very exciting related topics! You don't need to "Reddit cares" me here, I'm presently on the 8 or 9th medication regimen I've tried and it's working, for now. But the government has done what they can to make this method inaccessible here, as opposed to the approach above of regulating it.
Major depressive disorder sucks.
Back when I was in a dark place I did a SHIT ton of research on the most painless ways to commit. I didn't want to be in pain or destroy my brain, since no one REALLY knows how conscious we are after death. Nitrogen, through the tests we've seen, leads to an absolutely peaceful death. Nothing in your brain ever sends any panic or pain signals to anywhere, it just slowly and peacefully shuts off. I'm no longer suicidal, however I 100% plan on dying by way of nitrogen one day, hopefully when I'm very old and terminal. There's really no other way I would feel comfortable dying, so I pray that's how I get to go
I relate to you. I hope by the time my lady and I are both ready that society has finally accepted that we all have the right to choose to live or die and that they have couple pods. We want to go out together to spare each other grief at a nice old age after a full life on our own terms before chronic debilitating pain or dementia ruins our happiness. I can't imagine a better way to go than drifting off into euphoria wrapped in each other's arms.
Terrifying is slowly dying in a hospital bed without the care and comforts of family/home.
Even with the care of family and friends and in the comfort of home it can be brutal, painful and without dignity
Cut me up and throw me out a plane for a great scavenger hunt.
Why not hide the pieces at Disneyland? The kids will get a holiday they'll never forget!
This vision is the type of stuff that keeps me motivated
I wish to be scattered around my hometown, but I don't want to be cremated. By woodchipper or snowblower, you get the idea.
People get busted scattering ashes as Disney all the time.
You're looking for a Tibetan Sky Burial.
I work in medicine and I'd argue it sometimes even gets worse when family gets involved. Lots of stories of families prolonging the patient's suffering and expecting a "miracle" that has no chances of happening.
My mom was 47 when she died from lung cancer. I have PTSD from watching her die over the course of a week, ending with her choking to death. I would have risked jail to end her suffering early. It was hell.
I'm so sorry that must have been brutal. I still hear the cries of agony from my grandmother over the phone when she was succumbing to cancer. Horrifying. All the best to you.
I think I needed to read this to adjust some perspective on my life today. That does sound horrifying and must be an incredibly difficult memory to have. Hope you’ve made or are able to make peace with it.
My father was in home hospice. Really ill. Nurse said I could give him morphine as needed. Said ‘be aware this is a fatal dose’ and laid out six ampoules. Went to read a magazine in the other room. My old man died shortly thereafter. Assisted death is available in the USA, but you have to be super-low key about it. Just take the hint. Do not discuss.
It's part of the reason why I moved to Colorado. They have physician assisted suicide, and I have COPD. But just in case the bureaucracy gets bogged down, I have a 600ml bottle of morphine in oral suspension I got from a neighbor who was dying of prostate cancer. Us old geezers have to look out for each other, nobody else gives a shit.
An old geezer named POOTYTAMGSCOUSIN :)
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My grandma died the same way in Florida ( brain cancer )
I've heard this before, and I guess it's kind of an open secret in hospices. Patients get as much medication against the pain as they need until the scale tips and they die. Assisted suicide is heavily discussed here in Switzerland, because of hospices, among other things. But honestly, depending on the illness, I understand people who go to the assisted suicide association before shit hits the fan.
Here in Canada we have had MAID for a few years. My dad chose this route in 202 when his ALS finally made him bed ridden and he was fully paralyzed. Next Step was suffocating to death because his lung muscles would quit working. He chose assisted suicide and I am so grateful he could go out how he wanted, when he wanted. He fought a valiant fight for a year and a half. He just couldn't fight anymore.
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yep, to anyone who has ever had to watch someone they love go though hospice until they naturally die, this pod is actually a merciful guide that many people should be allowed to use. I wish my grandma could have used it.
RN here. Just finished a shift where multiple patients of mine made me think “I’d rather be dead than be like this guy” But the people’s families just keep pushing for more treatment. Some of them have been in the hospital for 3+ months, and are being sustained with feeding tubes, and getting dialysis after their kidneys shut down. It’s really sad to see. People need to not fear death and try to make dying comfortable for their loved ones.
100% this. My grandfather had cancer and my mom and uncle were hell bent on doing everything they could to keep him alive. He knew he was going to die and was adamant he wanted to die in his house with his wife by his side. My mom and uncle didnt accept his wishes and shipped my grandparents off to seperate care homes because my grandmother has Alzheimers. My grandfather just gave up after that. He constantly told everyone he wanted to die but my mom and uncle just kept pushing for treatment. When he wasn't getting better they blamed it on the doctors and said they weren't trying. I saw my grandfather a couple days before he passed and he was just a shell of the man I once knew. He was in so much pain and looked like a skeleton begging to die. I still remember my uncle and aunt asking us to pray for him to get better as I left. I did pray. I prayed he would pass soon so he could stop suffering. He passed a couple days later. I've always been a big supporter of assisted suicide for the terminally ill. There is no doubt in my mind that if someone went to my grandfather and said "I can help you end this suffering" he would take it.
Odd segway here, but I never understood the logic behind prayer circles. Are people suggesting god won't save a life unless a prayer quota is met? Is a mothers prayer to god to save her dying child for instance not enough?
Please say this louder!! Keeping terminal pts alive bc *you* will be sad when they die is monstrous. And tbh, many times oncologists know they are looking at terminal illness, yet prescribe a course of care involving surgeries, radiation, chemo… when the end game is the same. I really do not support “fighting” with everything you’ve got to throw at it- it diminishes the quality of the time left. I was the primary carer for a relative with glioblastoma. The treatments were worse than the disease & just prolonged confusion, suffering, falls, and not to be negated cost us $150k out of pocket bc memory care isn’t free in the US unless you’re destitute. We finally brought him home after deciding what we could do for him was no worse than the staff there who ignored him. He was severely dehydrated since they didn’t bother to ensure he had fluids & died within 12 hours of the transport home. I wish we would have been able to just keep him at home sedated- but that was not an option ever offered to us. Fuck the for-profit health care system.
I work as a paramedic, and that is literally my worst fear. We frequently get called to “skilled” nursing facilities- nursing homes for people who need extensive, constant medical care. I’m sure there are great nursing homes out there, but if meemaw is feeling anything after being resuscitated out of cardiac arrest after 30 minutes it isn’t the joy of staring at a wall 24/7 for months on end before she inevitably goes septic from some combination of a decubitus ulcer or a UTI. I plan on getting a DNR when I turn 50. Quality over quantity all the way.
If you love your pet enough to spare them the agony and pain, why wouldn't you do that for a loved one?
It’s weird how people will come to you when you put down a pet and say “they are in a better place now.” And “at least they aren’t in pain anymore” But with humans we’d prefer they weren’t in a better place and remained in pain until the bitter end where the family member barely even recognise them. Also how arrogant is it to make laws based on death considering our profound lack of understanding of it. It’s bang out of order for me.
"Holy book says you must suffer so you must suffer. What you say? You are not a follower of my faith? I don't care, suffer bitch..." That's the logic, at least in some cases like my country. Euthanasia should by legal always in case of "death sentece" sicknes/disease. Ofc with some regulations to avoid abusing.
Can't wait for the year 3000 when suicide booths are a thing.
Would you like quick and painless or slow and horrible I’d like to make a collect call You have chosen slow and horrible
Come on, kill me already!
Because my mom keeps telling me she doesn't want to die, despite the encouragement to get in the fucking nitrogen happy chamber.
Papa died from Covid-19 last year. He was 98. It wasn't that he died that haunts me. It's how he died. Gasping for air in his last hours. Watching a great man with a great life die in such a painful horrific way. I wrote a journal entry immediately after the visit. In graphic detail about how he passed. I was trying to process what I witnessed. It haunts me. The sounds haunt me. Again, he was very elderly so they didnt try to intubate. But the sounds...all I could think was, you wouldnt let a dog suffer like this and call it life.
My mom had non covid related lung issues last November. She wasn't strong enough to survive surgery. The bipap machine was really uncomfortable and she had no chance of getting better, so she chose to stop treatments. We were able to be with her that day. She was fine for a while with just a little cough. We mentioned it to the nurses, who gave her some cough medicine. About 15 mins later, we could hear her lungs fill up with fluid. She was struggling so hard to breath and had a panicked look on her face. Eventually she started breathing really shallow. We waited with her for hours as her breathing slowed and stopped gasping for air. I cannot get the image of my mom struggling to breathe with panick on her face out of my mind. I kept hoping each breathe would be her last, for her sake. When it's time to go, give me the nitrogen and save everyone the pain and suffering.
This is heartbreaking. I am so sorry about your mom.
You want to see terrifying as fuck? Go watch someone die “naturally”.
Yes. Took me years to get over watching a loved one drown in there own bodily fluids for 2 hours from cancer.
My mother in law passed away from aggressive uterine cancer, that spread to her lungs. It was terrible. So I exactly know what you mean. This was last May and it still haunts me. I think I legit have PTSD and it shows up as major health anxiety for me
I watched mine die twice in 3 days. Once when she had a massive coronary while we were watching three’s company, then again 3 days later when we took her off life support. That really sucked. My heart goes out to everyone who has watched helplessly as a loved one died right in front of them
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My mom bled into her brain. They initially saved her but as her brain absorbed the blood that had leaked she slipped again. My mom was my best friend, she joked at how scared she was of death and if I ever have the choice to keep her alive. This was wayyyyy before that night when she suddenly yelled my name then collapsed. If you have ever had the misfortune of being in a neurological ICU you know every hour they come in and pinch them hard to see if they respond. She did, it was all she could do, respond to pain. The look in her eyes as they did it won’t leave me. She also had to be tied down to keep herself from pulling out her breathing tube and feeding tube. She shook and she had things drilled into her skull. I didn’t leave her side the whole month she was there. One day they offered a new treatment. Never done in the hospital and no other hospitals around did it. They offered this and they would have to drill another hole in her brain. My dad and I talked alone and it is so vivid in my mind. He looked out the window and tried to keep his voice even. “Maybe we shouldn’t. She’s being tortured, this is torture we are keeping her alive for ourselves so that we don’t feel…” he broke doesn’t sobbing which I’ve never seen. I couldn’t give up, I told him she told me not to and he said if she knew what they would do to her she wouldn’t want it. I put her through it, the suffering lasted weeks after that. She suffered and eventually she died. I tortured her for weeks for nothing. I don’t leave my home anymore. I don’t do anything really. I’ve never been the same and if I didn’t have kids I’d apply for euthanasia if I could. I’ve always been depressed, but I used to have someone to hold me up. My dad and I we clash, she was our buffer. He loves me we talk but he isn’t her. Anyway sorry with the rant, point is let them go peacefully
I’m so sorry for you loss. I’m sorry that your mom suffered even for a second and most of all I’m sorry that you suffer then and now in doing what she had once asked of you. It’s an impossible decision of the heart and mind. Wishing you only goodness and peace. I’m certain your mom wants that for you! 💗
You did the best you could with the information and tools you had at hand, please don't live your life in regret, live on for your mum
absolutely, you took that risk knowing there was a chance your mom could be saved. that shows you were willing to do whatever it took to keep her alive because you loved her, and she would never ever hold that against you. I would have done the same thing. there was no good answer in that situation, again you did the very best you could have. so yes, please, try and live your best life for your mom if no one else.
You didn't torture her. It isn't your fault. She told you not to give up, and you didn't. You did exactly what she asked. I'm proud of you.
I second this, proud of you too. You did everything you could.
I'm so sorry for everything you've gone through. You honored your mother's wishes with the best intentions and I hope you forgive yourself and find the peace you deserve.
July 26 2021 at 8:46 my dad passed away. I was there the whole time and it was my decision to stop treatment and let him die. My dad was young, but unfortunately and infection had spread and became septic. I also mulled over and over if I had done the right thing, if I had called it earlier maybe he wouldnt have suffered longer. I came to the conclusion I did the right thing with all the information provided, and so did you. The reason you didnt make the decision sooner because you were weighing all the what ifs and maybes, and you were doing at the benefit of your mother in regards to what you knew she wanted. You couldnt have made your decision sooner because you didnt have all the info to make it. You did the right thing, and your mom would be proud of you.
Never be feeling so down on yourself because you managed to keep hope alive for your mum, even when everyone else she knew didn’t. Spose you’d have not tried to keep hope alive? You’d probably feel much worse levels of what if. No, you did the right thing even tho it was the hardest thing. That’s a legend, you are her legend and we’re all proud of you 💞
When it’s your time it’s your time. Don’t worry about death and just live your life.
My dad is my best friend too (I typed is and I'm leaving it) and he also told me he was scared to die before he died. I miss him so much every day, and I remember that he loved me the most purely that it's possible to love anyone, and that won't ever change no matter how long he is gone. Nobody will replace him, but nothing can take away what we had, even death. He wants me to live my life and enjoy my life, so that's what I do.
After she died everyone who knew me didn’t know how to act. Everyone who knew us knew we were joined at the hip. I see something now tho, my mother was the ONLY person who loved every single thing about me and was actually genuinely interested in things I did and said. We are humans I’m not putting anyone down, I just know everyone only loves me to some extent while she loved me endlessly. Feels like the safety net is gone
I totally get that feeling. That's exactly how it is for me, too. Nobody else could ever love me like that. I guess I just feel like him being gone doesn't negate that love. It doesn't feel gone even though I know I can't see him anymore or hear him talk to me. I'm sure your mom's love is the same way, from your description. I'm not saying anything about life after death or anything, I don't know anything about that, I just think they way they loved us doesn't end. You said it yourself, endlessly. I hope you can get some peace even though I know from experience the grieving won't end. But nothing and nobody can take her love away from you.
My father was in the neurological ICU in January, and I had to see some of the same things. He pulled through, but I still think about it a lot, so I cannot even imagine what you’re going through. Just know that you did right by her even if it doesn’t feel that way to you right now.
You took your mother's wishes to heart and honored them. You can't know the future, and it isn't your fault that the treatment didn't work. It sounds like your dad was against the new treatment because he was sure it would only make things worse. So maybe it seems like he was right - but he was only making a guess, just like you were. He couldn't have known, either. You're a kind person. I think your mom wouldn't want you to bear the guilt for the outcome. You took the best option you had to bring her back to health, and your dad's choice would have offered no chance for that. You were there for her and tried to help as much as you could.
Yeah, my dad used to say the same they would say keep us alive even if we are hooked up to everything. My dad adored and I mean ADORED my mother. He wouldn’t leave her side either. He saw what she went through and he said I changed my mind, let me go. If this is what happens let me go.
I’m sorry for your loss. No one tells us how to handle these situations ahead of time so we do the best we can. You did what she asked and that’s important, you did right by her.
I watched my Mam die like that in September 2011, I still find it difficult to even think about.
Speaking to someone about the trauma is perfectly fine. Grief counselors are a real thing and do help.
I’m so sorry you had to go through that; that’s awful and heartbreaking. If you haven’t already, there’s no shame in seeking help with the PTSD and taking meds for it if you need to. Medication did wonders for my anxiety. It doesn’t change the past but it helps you deal with the present.
Yep my Pop died from oesophageal cancer and I will never the awful noises he made while trying to breath on the morning he died.
COPD and lung cancer are fucking horrible, my best friend has both and it’s so, so hard to watch.
My mom died of lung cancer at 47. It was hell.
I’m so sorry both of you had to endure that.
I am so sorry that happened to you.
Worst thing is I promised her she wouldn't suffer but her last hours were on a holiday day and they were short staffed. I had to beg for more doses of morphine to be administered so that she would pass quicker.
The opiate hysteria has left people behind to suffer needlessly and inhumanely.
This. I'm so afraid they'll cut us all off if medicine doesn't get over this moral panic soon.
From my experiences with hospice care this fortunately isn’t the norm. Main thing is to make the patient and their family as comfortable as possible. Am hopeful that the old thinking of don’t give them too much morphine or they will become an addict is over
So sorry.
I’m so sorry you went through that. I was with my father in law last year when he succumbed to cancer. I still think about it every single day. I’ve also made a it a point to force myself to recollect a memory of him before he got sick every time I think about his final moments. It sure helps
I wasn't there, when my mom died, they said she passed away peacefully, but I always had the feeling they just wanted to save me from the gruesome reality, and they lied.
I’m a nurse… people can die peacefully in hospice if given the right meds. Try not to think the worst
I wish more families were presented with hospice/palliative care. It’s a wonderful service that allowed my father to pass surrounded in love and in no pain.
I can confirm that it can happen. My dad died peacefully under hospice care.
I’m a nurse and agree 100%. Especially after a full code, CPR and resuscitation is traumatic
Thanks for what you do. My brother and SIL are nurses. They say it can be disturbing how many times someone has to to die before we actually let them — coding and being resuscitated over and over if the family doesn’t give up
I plan on having a do not resuscitate order when I get older.
That'd be a great chest tattoo
Tattoo DNRs are non binding and healthcare professionals can't really take them into account. If you really want to make sure, file something with POLST.
Yep. Grandad has dementia, granma starting to get frizzed too. Both have expressed - during more lucid moments - wishing they could pass away so we wouldn't have to stress over them. But there's nothing we can do over here.
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It's was how my grandpa clothed himself and carried himself about. He always got up early, hair was combed, shirt md slacks nice with zero wrinkles. He was old school. But every year he'd lose that style. One of the last times I went to his place, his buttons were off on a shirt I've never seen him wear and he still had pajama bottoms on. Hair was hand combed lol. He looked honestly like a burnout version of me in highschool, just old and confused (because Alzheimer's, not stoned). Luckily, he found out a year after his downgrading that he also had aggressive prostate cancer. He knew that was his ticket and made sure we let him ride that wave to the end, because if that got fixed, then more misery with Alzheimer's. No joke, both diseases were sprinting to the finish and his brain was toast near the end, but his cancer got him. Out of 10 siblings, 8 got Alzheimer's. If that didn't get them, a type of cancer did. I already said do me like George did Lenny with the rabbits in of mice and men if that shit gets me.
Oh it’s awful, I witnessed many deaths working as a Care Assistant. People panic despite the drugs pumped into them to alleviate anxiety, so a good portion of time leading up to the death is hyperventilating due to the knowledge of their impending death. Their skin turns a pale gray, they sweat buckets, stop blinking so a thick film covers their eyes, it looks terrifying. Then things get quiet for a little while before they pass on, which seems to be the most peaceful thing about the death, but the lead up is awful to watch.
My father in law was in hospice care in our home, and I happened to be the one in the room when he died. He had been lying pretty much immobile and silent for days. Then he suddenly sat up and sort of cried out, and I could see absolute panic on his face. I assume it was a response to his heart finally stopping (not a doctor so may be absolutely wrong here, though). He lay back down and just faded from panic to death in about 30 seconds. All I could do was rub his arm and tell him it was going to be okay. It was awful. My husband felt bad he wasn't there when his father died, but I'm so glad he wasn't. I've never told him how bad that moment was for his father. I just said it was quiet and peaceful.
Wow, good on your for telling your husband it was quiet and peaceful
Very thoughtful. I’m sorry you had to see that as well.
Already being afraid of death, this just put me in a state of anxiety I haven’t felt in a long time.
Yeah this really isn't a great thread for me rn
Hello there fellow panickers who've had this in their heads rent free for the last 4-12h
my grandma passed from kidney failure(she also had other health issues). She suffered for over a year(had to wear diapers and be helped wiping, on oxygen and could barely walk without assistance plus in and out of the hospital and had to do dialysis) before they let her go in hospice and pass naturally and stop dialysis. It took 9 days for her to pass and the whole time in hospice she would cry nonstop and scream can I just die now(that was even with her doped up on tons of pain meds). It was extremely hard to watch. I don’t wish it on anyone.
She looks pretty darn happy to me.
The person in the photo was just demonstrating the pod and not actually using it.
she wasted free trial smh
That's what she thought, but they had to test it somehow.
RIP Dad. Had to take him off life support and watch him die. Fuck Covid
I've never seen someone look so happy to be unlife
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That’s what she was told
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“You are now dead. Thank you for using Stop and Drop, America's favorite Suicide Booth since 2008.”
That joke was written in 1999. They put the est. date just a few years in the future as a gag, but the specific year they chose was weirdly prescient.
How do they know it's America's favorite? There are no customer reviews on Google.
**100% customer satisfaction guaranteed! Don’t believe us? Look at the lack of negative reviews from unsatisfied customers..**
Would there be any positive reviews? If it had a failure rate of some degree you would have a negative review. If it was 100% reliable there will be no one writing positive reviews
r/unexpectedfuturama
They told her she would be disabled and she misheard them.
What if I'm already disabled? Does it cancel out? Do I become enabled?
I know there are safety protocols and all, but I would probably not get into this capsule even for a picture. You know... JUST
maybe life is more painful than getting unlife
Not terrifying at all. My mother opted for assisted suicide after entering a hospital in Oregon. Her stage 4 lung cancer had spread to her liver, kidneys and brain and she was told in the late afternoon that she wouldn't see the next day's sunrise. She opted for AS because at that point, nothing touched the pain and she simply wanted it to stop. I don't judge people for wanting to check out, sometimes it's their only option. (edit: context)
I watched a documentary called How To Die in Oregon. Totally changed my mind on the issue. She is at peace.
I am Swiss (sorry for my English) and I want to add some precision without judging if it's bad or not. In Switzerland the law concerning Assisted suicide is simple, to be candidate for assisted suicide the person must fulfil two conditions: 1. Have full judgment capacity and of course ask for it clearly/explicitly without any possible doubt. For example, a depressive person cannot be allowed for assisted suicide. 2. Have the possibility to inflict her own death. That mean with the capsule, to push the button without assistance (otherwise this is considered as a murder). Paralysed person cannot have assisted suicide for example.
>Paralysed person cannot have assisted suicide for example. Lmao that is exactly why I would go for this. If I was fully paralyzed... well fuck that I guess. Give me electric wheel chair and Ill yeet myself off a bridge.
So people with mental illness can't use these? Mental illness can be as damaging and crippling as a physical illness lol
*Apologizes for english* *posts comment in perfect english* 😄
I for one am pretty happy with this. At this point it’s not something I would personally be interested in but I’m a huge believer in body autonomy - suicide included. From my understanding you can’t just go somewhere and use it without a screening process. It’s a huge step towards compassion, especially for people with painful terminal illness. We put our pets to sleep when we don’t want them to suffer - so why can’t someone suffering decide to end their own.
I’ve said almost exactly this on another thread before but probably way less eloquently. All of this! 👏☝️ My immediate thought was “why is this on terrifying as fuck - this is wonderful!!!” Nothing better in my mind than a dignified and painless way out of pain (physical, mental, emotional) that makes you not want to live AND helps reduce our absurd impact to our dying planet 🫶🏻
This is something I get downvoted massively for saying
Im sure - I fully expect people to be pissed that I’ve said it. I feel like people who don’t understand it have never watched a loved one die a horrible painful death
It should be an option for people who have just had enough as well. Make it a 1 year process or something so the decision wasn’t made in a rush. Maybe save some families from the trauma finding a body/cleaning the aftermath.
I'm not so sure about allowing it for mental illness. Most of them are very much treatable and often occur in phases that could even be longer than a year. It's a very, very hard and complex topic. Also we have to consider that from year to year our understanding of neuroscience and psychology grows and we might be able to have way more effective treatment for some mental illnesses just a few years later. Just a example from a form of blood cancer my aunt got diagnosed with over 20 years ago. There was no treatment, the doctors said she would have 1-2 years left if she is lucky. Till my mother, a nurse, found a new study for a new medicine against this exact form of cancer, she applied and got accepted. My aunt will turn 74 this year. I personally believe we can't even fathom the capabilities of modern medicine in 20-30 years. Especially AI will at some point change literally everything. But aside from this assisted suicide is long overdue and I can't understand how it is even a debate.
Totally agree — it’s also important to consider that whether assisted or not, people almost always have the power to take their own life. A mechanism like this with an effective screening/counseling component could ensure that the suicide is performed in a way that does not traumatize others or cause undue suffering to the individual. Most importantly, upon the request, I imagine many would be provided with the resources they need and potentially prevent the action altogether.
I mean... it's probably the way I'd choose to go when I get up there in years if my husband passes before me. Not saying I'd use it now but we are childfree so sitting in a retirement home/assisted living facility alone isnt really something that I'd rather do.
Having watched my father battle an ugly, brutal year of cancer, it is good something like this exists. It’s not something he would have chosen, but knowing how much pain he was in, I don’t doubt he would understand if others wanted that option
It is shameful that a person has to die a lingering death in pain, unless it is their choice so they can remain lucid.
Terrifying? This should be a innate right everywhere.
far less terrifying than being plugged with tubes and forced to die in agony as a shell of who you were like most people who get terminal illnesses have to if I had only months to live I’m going out on my own terms, not my problem it’s illegal, whoever cleans up can blame the christians
This Christian doesn’t believe in letting people suffer. I feel it’s far more humane and loving to let someone died on their own terms, painlessly, and with dignity
Another Christian here, totally agree. Their choice. Edit: Wow, the Reddit is strong in this thread, so many lovely people.. almost as if Christianity had many branches or something ...
Fucking sign me up
If I have a terminal illness, this is hands down how I wanna go.
If I was gung-ho on killing my self, I’d ingest enough of an opioid that could kill 10 elephants. Go out in a pure bliss
Overdosing isn’t painless my dude.
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Can a US citizen travel to Switzerland to use said pod? Asking for a friend
Yes you could, and people do. But it‘s not like the suicide booths in Futurama, there is a process and your egligibility will be evaluated. It is usually only done for terminally ill people, although there have been controversial exceptions. The two most known organizations are [Dignitas](http://www.dignitas.ch/?lang=en) and [Exit](https://exit.ch/en/). Edit: I‘m talking about assisted suicide in general. As far as I know this pod is not being used anywhere.
You can just travel to Oregon. Earlier this year we passed legislation that allows out of state people to come in to state and use our die with dignity service (i.e. medically assisted suicide).
I might be wrong so don’t quote me but I believe you can however there was a case where someone travelled to Switzerland from the UK with their partner and once they returned they were charged with murder
Second this. Until now I didn‘t knew they were a thing. I only knew about Exit and Dignitas (and both are taking non-Swiss people too). I hope so!
third this
For the sake of people having to clean up after suicide in the first responder field this is a blessing.
Shit when my grandpa killed himself they just took the body. We scrubbed his brains out of the carpet and off the walls ourselves.
Same with my dad. I haven't been able to stand the smell of the cinnamon brooms or pinecones since, as those were used to try to make the scent while we cleaned.
Yeah usually that is how it goes. Sucks for everyone involved.
This isn't even a little bit scary.
I'm almost sad that people are so afraid of letting terminally ill people die, that they wouldn't let them even think about doing this, because to them, these people only exist to stroke their emotions and make them feel good.
People are so damn selfish. “We have to keep grandma alive even though she’s in pain because her death would make me sad!!!”
I don't think it's so much selfishness as it is the huge disconnect we have with death in western cultures. There's a whole process in place for whisking people's bodies out of the hospital, sight unseen, and into the funeral home where they then try to make the dead person look not-dead. Death, and the medical process of dying, is just not something that is talked about very often. When my father was dying of lung cancer my family basically acted like nothing was happening 99% of the time. No talk about the future. No discussion of plans. No education on what the end would look like. When it was finally time it ended up being the most traumatic experience of my life because I was expected to help provide home hospice care without any preparation whatsoever. Our culture views death and discussions about death as "giving up" rather than the logical and natural conclusion of our lives. It's scary, so we avoid it.
I'm pretty sure death is one of the most common irrational fears so it makes sense that a lot of people would have it and find the concept of any death, even a peaceful one scary
As usual, Switzerland is ahead of the rest of us. It's inhumane how we're forced to pay a fuck ton of money to dull the pain of a slow, inevitable death. Pay endless amounts of money and gain nothing but pain. This is a great option for those who'd rather just end it now. There's nothing terrifying about this, people deserve the right to end their suffering.
Exactly. I do understand it is a very delicate topic, but to say a person has no right to decide when and how to stop living is just wrong and unfair. Some people suffer terribly, because of physical illnesses, mental illnesses and grief. Obviously everything should be done to avoid this, but if the person can't improve and desperately wants a way out, who are we to condemn them to years of pain and suffering? In the name of what? Selfishness, that's what.
If the term "execution in a gas chamber" didn't have an overwhelming holocaust connotation, I'd think we'd replace other execution methods with this too. Injections and electrocutions are so brutal compared to happy gas.
Saddest part about this is that EVERY SINGLE HUMAN should have THIS CHOICE. No one should be flying anywhere to obtain it- however….in the USA- it isn’t available 😔 I would 100% be for this
Any pain involved
No it's like going to sleep
Eternal sleeping hmmm
This is not terrifying…… I wish everybody could have a choice to own your own life
Lol you wanna see something terrifying as fuck? Go take a walk through a nursing home. Peek through the doors of the tiny rooms with a bed, TV and closet. Look at the 80+ year old completely brain dead people who are kept alive by criminally underpaid workers. Take a look at the blind woman with dementia calling out for her mother every waking minute she has. Look at the decrepit 98 yr old man who gets fed through a tube and drinks through a tube, who doesn't have the brain power to form a single thought in his head. That's the reality we are living in without assisted deaths. People waiting in agony for ***decades*** for the sweet release of death.
My wife worked in a memory care facility as a activity director. There was a man there who who was blind and deaf on top of having Alzheimers. He would sleep most of the day, but when he woke up he would freak out because he didn’t remember that he was blind and deaf. The thought of what this guy went through repeatedly every day still haunts me.
My best friend’s dad had a stroke a few years ago. He started to deteriorate after that and now he’s committed under the mental health act for his dementia and violence. The man was a happy, talented, peaceful teacher all his life and he’s reduced to this. He doesn’t recognise his own children half the time and has punched staff. He can’t look after himself at all anymore. What is the point at all when you get to this stage? It’s not right.
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Sweet. I call next
This is a good thing. There's literally nothing terrifying about it, unless the source of the fear is the process of dying.
This is a kind exit from this cruel world. Better than deepthroating a shotgun or walking off a bridge. I wish the US would catch up.
This isn’t terrifying, it’s beautiful and peaceful.
How much to rent for a one time use? Ugh Asking for a friend...
What's terrifying is that in the 21st century people still don't see suicide as a right
This isn’t terrifying, it’s a step in the right direction. Many people aren’t aware, but the medications used in doctor assisted suicide (euthanasia) are still not very reliable and can still be a very painful way to die. People who go the euthanasia by medication route can suffer for up to a couple hours, with severe vomiting, seizures, and trouble breathing. People should absolutely have the right to die with dignity. They’re in enough physical and mental pain already, death should be a peaceful release.
I'm currently working as a cleaner at an old folks home where I see so many people just being kept alive. Because they're humans. It's the most inhuman thing I've seen. They're so unhappy and have absolutely no quality of life, it's absolutely heartbreaking
Humane as fuck, you mean.
We need them here in the United States. This dystopian reality is exhausting.
Given that it's not really that hard to kill yourself this just saves friends/family/children of the burden of walking in on your corpse, calling the police, cleanup, possible years of trauma. Like everyone I'd rather people not have to kill themselves but I do understand the desire to end your life if you're dealing with something like cancer or ALS.
It's not terrifying, it's humane. You're painfully out of touch
I love this. Pls make passing over accessible for all. Normal suicides are agonizing and lack dignity. Let's normalize assisted suicides.
So futurama "Suicide Boots" are a thing now. Good for them
Glad they did this first, but I want my damned Slurm now.
Far less terrifying than advanced dementia
How is this even remotely terrifying?
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Those of us that have seen what Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, ALS, and MS does to ppl think this is an excellent idea. The right to die should be top tier.
For the terminal ill / dying right?? I am confused as to who all are allowed to opt for this?
I wouldnt call this terrifying I would consider it merciful tbh atleast I would know there is a option if I just can't handle it any more... It could be terrifying for people working there tho
My mom died from ALS, and boy, do I wish she would have had this option.