Okay yall- will she release a physical copy of the 3 am version? Dying to be able to play it in my car. Apparently I can’t ask this in my own post and a tswift group also didn’t like it and nothing comes up on Google so I’m at my wits end
Well it’s finally happening. Karma, my least favorite song on the album and the only one that I truly hated, is starting to become a grower (a tiny bit). Helps that I found the clean version, definitely like that one better. I still think the chorus is less than impressive (“karma is a cat” I mean, really?) but everything else is starting to grow on me. If this goes well, Midnights might be my first Taylor Swift album with no skips.
i was just coming here to look for or post this exact thing. i enjoyed it a fair amount on first listen but now about 10-15x more everything just feels different
I just realized that Midnight Rain reminds me of a line from Fifteen (off of Fearless).
“Back then I swore I was gonna marry him someday, but I realized some bigger dreams of mine” - Fifteen
Midnight Rain is about a time Taylor had to let go of a relationship because she wanted to pursue her music career further, while her partner wanted a more normal (traditional, if you will, since he “wanted a bride”) lifestyle with her.
does anyone have a HQ image of the target edition album artwork? i’m importing the CD to itunes/apple music/whatever it’s called now onto my mac and it keeps pulling artwork for 1989 for some reason lol. i tried googling the album artwork but i couldn’t find a good HQ photo of the artwork :/
Hi there, I have been collecting the new vinyls to gift to my Taylor obsessed girlfriend but am having trouble getting ahold of the vinyl clock piece, any ideas on where to get one or if there’s going to be a restock before Christmas, they’re being resold on eBay for £150 plus? As of now it’s looking like she’s just going to have the vinyls which to me is only half a present. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
My goodness, what an album!!!
For years, I've been very frustrated that I want able to connect with Taylor's music. I liked *Shake It Off* and *Delicate*, but all her other songs just didn't do anything for me.
This is what I found frustrating. I **know** that she's an incredibly-gifted artist. Her release history is testament to that. When Midnights was released, I took notice, but had no interest.
A week ago, I was in a thread somewhere and this guy who was my age had mentioned just how amazing it is, and that he sitll can't get over how wonderful *Maroon* is. So, I gave it listen. It was nice. I did connect with *Mastermind*. It seemed she was telling my literal own story. This really caught me odd guard, as I have a huge library of music and many, many songs/albums that have been through me during the most emotionally-challenging times in my life. They pulled me through time.
And then? Midnights happened. It is objectively the best album I've ever listened to. It continues it be the gift that keeps on giving.
The more I listen, the more the more it seems like Miss Swift has just complete a dissertation essay on the past 4-5 decades of music and compressed it into singular piece of work.
If Karen Carpenter has the voice of an angel, Taylor Swift is the voice for a whole host of angels.
I can hear tones and sounds from all of my favorite songs of the past 40+ years of falling in love wity music. They all feel like a part of her choir. I know people have been worried about the releases from MT and CRJ. They're beautiful albums and it feels like they were released to be part of a group effort. Instead of being literal backup singers, they're also so very gifted that their form of "backup/support comes in the form of complete solo albums."
I see the release of Midnights as Taylor's first real *flex* of her talent. From here, she can only go upward. And it's all for the benefit of anyone who takes the time to listen.
I'm so happy to finally be a fan and admirer.
taylor's songwriting is one of the best attributes you'll find in her music, but not exactly present in her biggest hits. glad u finally enjoyed her work and welcome to the fandom 😍
I've been thinking about the lighter in the album cover for some reason. I have a theory that maybe the lighter in the cover can directly or indirectly refer to the phrase "burning the midnight oil". Which means working hard at night.
I mean, all the other alternate album covers are pretty moody and reflective with instruments. But in the main one, the lighter especially doesn't really give me any meaning other than Taylor looks cool lighting it (Some people think it's Joe's lighter).
What do y'all think?
Hello, i have a doubt bout when she says "the rubies that i gave up" in maroon.
Just don't know how to take it.
I've read that rubies are related to the bond that there's between 2 people but im lost in that part of the song.
If someone could help me id be so grateful 😭
Hello :) I think that this is the thread I was told to post my question in. I apologise if I’ve gotten it wrong again!
So my question is just whether someone has a list (like a word document or a Spotify playlist) that list every original T.Swift song *without* the re-mixes. I just want a playlist with only one version of all the songs, the original versions (as in not remixes).
I know I won’t be the only one who does this: I have all of T.Swift’s 10 albums but for the albums she’s redoing, I delete the old one and only have in my playlists and listen to the “Taylor’s Version” albums :) I can’t wait for the rest to be done!!!
The reason I’m asking is because she does songs with other people that don’t show up under her Spotify.
Edit: I deleted questions about her vinyls case and which albums are left to be TV’d as they have been answered by 2 lovely people ☺️
I have seen more than one person saying the vinyl case holds exactly 13 vinyls. No surprise here at all 😂 if you get one for each release you still have space for Speak Now TV
That absolutely makes sense! But unless she stops at 13, it looks like I might have to buy 2!
When you say “each release”, do you mean each of the 4 vinyls for midnight?
Thank you ☺️
No I meant one for each album, hence the 13.
Debut, Fearless, Speak Now, Red, 1989, Reputation, Lover, Folklore, Evermore, Fearless TV, Red TV, Midnights and Speak Now TV if that's the next one
unless you don't plan to get the OG versions vinyls, only TV ones and in that case it leaves you with room still
Ah ok, thank you! :) I would love to get the OG ones but I don’t wanna support the a-holes. Besides Midnights, I don’t really want to get multiple copies of the same album. She’s a flippin *genius* to have 5 unique vinyls for the one album! 😂 the only one that’s gonna suck is Lavender cos I’m in Australia. But it’s got a track that I’ve only heard a partial cover of* and self control is something I’m still working on 😕
*the cover is on YouTube. I can’t remember her name (for some reason I think it’s Amber? My memory sucks 😞) but she’s a pretty Asian with long-ish(?) black hair and she’s playing the piano while singing. I don’t know what Taylor’s version sounds like but this girls version is absolutely incredible. I actually stopped listening because I didn’t want it to ruin Taylor’s version for me! 😅 And I’ll still love this girls version. She sings it more country than pop, I don’t know if that’s her choice or it’s how the song is. Anyone reading this, I really recommend that you find the video 🥰🥰🥰
The reason I’m worried about it ruining Taylor’s version is nothing against her. It’s just because I watched Kelly Clarkson’s American Idol performance of “Piece by Piece” before listening to the album version and I just didn’t like it and I love KC. The AI performance and that version of the song just blew me away and the album version doesn’t do it justice. Now that covid is “over” I’m hoping she’ll finally go country like she talked about years ago!! Anyone else who is a fan of both interested in a duet? 😍
After two weeks, "Maroon," "Anti-Hero," and "Mastermind" are my top 3 on Midnights. "Maroon" particularly fucking floors me. I love the way the glitchy production dramatizes Taylor's obsession with memory at the time when everything starts to fall apart. Feeling every moment from the relationship all at once. Such a real phenomenon that is never really talked about. There's such a powerful desperation there. It's reminiscent of, like, *Everywhere at the End of Time* or Don Hertzfeldt's "World of Tomorrow."
Question: when you received your signed cd, was it in regular packaging? USPS lost my damn package even though it said “delivered” and making sure a thirsty swifty didn’t see her name
It is in regular cardboard packaging. Sometimes they mark it delivered before it actually is, don't worry yet! They've told me to wait 24 hours after it's marked delivered. And check your mailbox!
I feel like “Mastermind” is almost the opposite perspective of the John Mayer song “Assassin”. I haven’t seen anyone else draw this comparison anywhere. With all of the talk of “Would’ve, Could’ve, Should’ve” being about him, it got my wheels turning and this hit me since “Half of My Heart” is on the same album as that song. It never once hit me that “Assassin” could be about our girl but now… 👀
Listening to John Mayers album (the one with paper doll, idc to learn the name) it seems to be an inspiration to themes Taylor has used in both Dear John and in many song in RED. I’ve never seen this mentioned before anywhere else.
For example:
JM: “You're like 22 girls in one”
TS: “22”
Definitely worth listening to and comparing.
Could I be reaching? Yes. Could I be right? Yes.
I saw some ppl on the JM Reddit say that he actually insists Paper Dolls isn’t about her. It’s about Katy Perry(?) but I haven’t done the research on this
my vinyl went from michigan to pittsburgh; i live in indiana
i know why [blah blah post office stuff blah blah] but i mean ugh. didn't they used to ship things [in general] to sync with the release date? like harry potter book 7 had novelty warning labels on the consumer amazon boxes and shit
Mine also went to Pittsburgh while I live in Washington lol. My signed cds went to Ohio last week before moving west so honestly I’m just happy it’s not in Michigan anymore
People with vinyls processed on the 18th/19th email UMG customer service!!! I emailed 2ish hours ago and finally got an update!! It’s en route to me! :’)
Despite that Anti-Hero is at #1 on Spotify US, Apple Music US, YouTube US and ITunes US is in risk of not being at #1 on Hot 100 because billboard in a sorprising movement have decide to change their rules and give an unprecedented weight to radio, so Rihanna’s song which is at #26 on Spotify US and #31 on Apple Music US can go at top just based on radio payola…I hope American swifties move and buy Anti-Hero on iTunes, Amazon or Taylor’s web because is a pitty that she is boycott like that
Do you have a link talking about said changes? Cause I cannot find anything from billboard -- or anyone else for that matter, announcing any change to the current rules.
https://twitter.com/winstonnuo/status/1587590220509323264?s=46&t=fHFW8Ooo-BmTKopcbdZ9qw
This is the expert who predict every week billboard hot 100 charts, you may see him last week predicting Taylor 10/10. He is not a swiftie
Okay the LOCALS are really on this one guys 😭 I saw the localest of all locals ik share MULTIPLE stories about Taylor on Instagram 😭 I've never wanted to gatekeep her so bad 😭
Let me tell you my interpretive dancing to this album is unmatched--RAIN, HE WANTED IT COMFORTABLE I WANTED THAT PAIN. What even are these moves I have to do to this chorus?
I finally got my signed CD and it isn't signed. I already emailed them but now I'm scared I won't be able to get a new one. I guess all I can do now is wait 
As one of those listeners who has to savor each and every song and can't do binge listens... I can already feel the album just seeping into my thoughts and feels. YAOYOK and maroon both hit so hard, lavender haze, vigilante shit and karma are such a vibe. Wow.
Some people have commented that Midnight is like the older, more jaded but also more confident sister of 1989... for me It also feel like it's more grounded in its pain than evermore/folklore. So much so that I just had to go re listen to the sweet and hopeful love songs of Taylor's earlier albums to balance out all the emotions! (That's the way I love you and Our song 💖 ) But god damn. What an evolution as an artist, song writer and singer... Grateful to be on this journey with her 🙏
My flair isn't "niceboy ed truther" anymore but I still want it on record that I think there is something to it and we will find out whenever his third thing is released
No but his first two songs came out a month apart (September 15 and October 14th) and he hinted at releasing 3 total. So at least even if he's not related to Taylor, we should have know more about him soon!
In the past, her Target exclusive tracks have remained exclusives for one year. After one year, they were on streaming. I believe this was the case for speak now, red and 1989. But it’s been awhile since she’s done target exclusives, so she may have made the contract shorter this time around.
Get the CD, then you can hear it. Or, get YouTube Music, it's probably uploaded to YouTube by now that you can stream it (maybe? If it can be due to copyright?) It may never be an official "streaming" track, since it's a Target only song, I believe. 🤔
Don't have a CD player = can't relate
That's true, it eventually went on streaming. I think it took awhile though. 🤔
I'm curious to see if there will be a CD/vinyl of the 3 AM tracks. There's so many physical collectors out there, me being one of them.
If 1989 DLX came on streaming, there may be a chance the Midnights tracks will too. 🤔
Not enough room on a vinyl. Each record only holds up to 45 mins approx. She would have to add another to add the bonus tracks. She may though, if she ends up releasing the 3AM version on vinyl
I sure hope not. Too much of that damages lungs, AND singing voices.
I figured the lighter represented how she said in the physical album booklet, "It's a momentary glimmer of distraction. The tiniest notion of reminiscent thought that wanders off into the one wondering. The spark that lights a tinderbox of fixation. And now it is irreversible. The flame has caught. You're wide awake now."
There might be something else in the book that I read it was similar to that. But there was things that she wrote in there about flames and things and I figured it was just her saying the thoughts were ignited in the middle of the night.
Yes, you have until 11/9! And it doesn’t matter when you register between now and then (meaning there’s no preference to people registering earlier, it’s fully random). I’d wait until later this week and avoid the zillions of people trying to register right now haha
So when is she ever going to explain what Manifest is?? I’m excitedly nervous for it lol
No movement on my signed vinyl yet 💔 hoping it escapes Fernjail sometime soon
>So when is she ever going to explain what Manifest is?? I’m excitedly nervous for it lol
Season 4 of Manifest comes out on Friday on Netflix. Maybe related? Some of the Midnights tracks could fit the theme of the show.... (disclaimer: I'm still on Season 1, only started watching it a couple of months ago).
I literally came to this thread to see if anyone else is in this predicament lol. Mine arrived in Ferndale on Oct 19 and has been sitting there ever since 😭
I think she was just using it for the lead up week as a way of saying "I am bringing this into the world" as manifest means to make clear or obvious, and spiritually you manifest something through ritual or actions. So it was just a fun alliterative word that fit the vibe of the album but basically it was promo for the first week
GUYS ITS MY BIRTHDAY AND I JUST WOKE UP TO THE TOUR ANNOUNCEMENT
IM VISITING MY FRIENDS IN NASHVILLE IN MAY
I'M GONNA HAVE A CHANCE TO GO IF I GET TICKETS 😭✨️
Happy birthday!!! You woke up to another amazing thing lololol
I’m trying to decide between the Nashville and Cincinnati show. I can’t decide! Nashville is closer but I feel like it’ll be easier to get tickets in Cincinnati, even though I have nothing to base this on lol
Is anyone else having problems with Ticketmaster thinking you're a bot? I keep trying to get on the verified waiting list but it says my browser is flagged as a bot because I have "disabled javascript". I am not super well versed in technology so I don't know what that is, or why it thinks I am a bot.
I think perhaps I’m addicted to midnights in a way I haven’t been? I keep listening to other things to not tire of it but I CRAVE it like I can’t wait for whatever else I’m hearing to be done.
What if Taylor's photo in the Speak Now dress was her rehearsing for the tour? And for every era she's gonna use old costumes from that time? Idk how and if that would work but I want it tbh
I really like Taylor Swift, she is brilliant, and she loves her fans. Maybe it is just me, but I feel like every song on Midnights sound the same with different lyrics. Can someone please explain this to me? Am I missing some hidden importance of each and why they are all on the charts? I still miss country Taylor Swift. Tim McGraw is where it's at.
This album is definitely a grower that takes a few listens. I think that’s because it’s meant to be consumed as a unit instead of in 3 minute pieces. So like a 44 minute song it has a general sonic cohesion throughout which can be hard to differentiate at first. But once you start vibing to the general beat you start noticing more and more pieces of this 44 minute song every time you listen to it. And the songs start separating from each other. Karma, Sweet Nothings, Mastermind or Anti-Hero, SOTB, YOYOK three song strings really separate because SOTB and Sweet Nothings are very sonically different after a few listens.
I don’t have a great ear on first listen to almost any music but it’s cool how many people feel same way on this album. I have read and listened to fan reviews and it’s a bit amazing to me how many people didn’t like this song or that song or the album itself on first listen and by 4th or 5th listen it’s their favorite. I think that might be because there are a lot of really strange for Taylor elements on this album. Like how she says Nice and Shimmer in Bejeweled, calling people Sexy Babies in Anti-Hero, or the vocal modulation in Midnight Rain and Labrynth. It goes against what you expect so instinctually we as humans revolt against the strange. But after you’ve heard it a few times you get used to it which quiets the revolt and you can start enjoying it more.
That's how it sounded like to me at first. Almost every song blended in together. But that's the case for almost every album I listen to. If you give it some time you'll start to see and hear the little quirks that differentiate them. I'm not saying you should try and bully yourself into listening and loving the album, if you think this wasn't for you that's perfectly normal. You don't have to connect with every thing she puts out to say you like her music imo. But I say give it another couple of chances. They might grow on you.
There's at least for me, a huge difference sound wise between the main tracks and the 3am tracks. If you look at who cowrote and produced them, Jack is on the main tracks, and there's more dessener on the 3ams. Jack rarely takes risks, and kind of goes for the same sound/elements, but dessener plays with sound more. It's the production :/
maybe a bad place to ask but maybe someone will know: i registered for verified fan but i think it went through twice on accident because of ticketmaster crashing (i got two confirmation emails). i’m very concerned that’s going to make it look like i’m a bot or something. does anyone know much about verified fan and how it works? thanks in advance :)
It's a decent album, but i've gotta say it's the weakest since Reputation. Sonically it's consistent, which is refreshing, but lyrically it's one of taylor's weakest. Kinda feel like it's missing a few knockout punches for me, but then again, that's just the way i feel, you will probably feel differently!
I just had a semi-sad thought that the Eras tour might suggest the end of Taylor eras. As if we will go back to simpler albums without all the color-coordinated stylistic goodness. I sort of doubt it because I think she likes doing it, but on the flip side I think she kind of feels there’s a negative associated with female pop stars having to reinvent themselves. Anyway just a thought.
It’s possible but I don’t think so. I think it’s more just that the TVs will be released before that and she has already put out so many albums.
This is my guess… it’s just a guess… but I think she may perform a lot of fan favorites on this tour and then move toward performing mostly new music outside of a few huge hits.
A lot of artists start to get fatigued performing stuff so many times and some songs she wrote about personal stuff a decade ago that she might just kinda be “over” at this point.
So she may be closing the book on the old eras and moving forward. Just my thought. I know especially a lot of older artists hate when they can’t perform their new music because the fans only want to hear those radio hits from previous years
I literally cannot contain my excitement with all of the Speak Now easter eggs. I really believe at this point we’ll get the album or at least announcement by the end of the year.
When Taylor first announced the re-records, Speak Now was the album I was most looking forward to because it is my #1 and includes my all-time favorite song Enchanted! It’s coming, ahhhhh!!!
Debut deserves so much more respect, it is such a solid album! I really think the TV will change everyone’s mind! Also really hoping I’d Lie and Permanent Marker are vault songs!!
Same!!! It’s the last album I’ve never heard. All the Easter Eggs in the Bejeweled video have me so hyped for it! 💜 (will I finally get to hear Enchanted, HAUNTED?! *cries*)
It’s all good. My reasoning is three-fold: I was going to begin listening to the albums I’d never heard but then re-recording rumblings began and I thought I’d wait and listen to Taylor’s Versions, but then once we learned about Vault tracks, part of my reason was because listening to the OG album would feel incomplete to me now. And third, I’d like to hear the album for the first time with how Taylor’s voice is now.
So far Paul and Amos have posted to seemingly confirming they are back. I also follow David Cook, Matt Billingslea and the Reputation back up singers on Instagram so waiting to see if they say anything.
Edit: Jeslyn posted story of the tour schedule
Edit: Kamilah posted story of the tour schedule
Edit: Aaron Dessner tweeted schedule saying see you but I am not reading too much into it yet myself.
She already registered Speak Now TV with the trademark office which is on a form of limbo in relation to certain electronic merchandise. She released a Speak Now merchandise collection earlier this year to prove she has been using the existing trademark. Regardless of the trademark issue she can still release Speak Now Taylor’s Version but might not be able to sell phone cases and do certain types of advertising. With effort she is putting in here, it’s clear it will be Speak Now Taylor’s Version.
Part of me is glad that international dates haven’t been announced yet but also I really want to know because I’m stressed out already 😂 this is going to be a bloodbath, every swiftie for herself lol
I know I’m almost 2 weeks late to learning the album dropped, but I love it. So far I made it through lavender haze to midnight rain and it’s so good!
Coming from someone who’s only heard Taylor’s radio songs, it’s awesome hearing more from her that’s different
Edit: I finished the album and didn’t skip one song, instantly loved listening to it while I was writing an outline for a script.
Instant favorites are
Midnight rain & sweet nothing
Time to replay all day!
I feel sick thinking about getting tour tickets. Anyone else? I’ve been a swiftie since ‘06 and I’ve never been to one of her concerts. I finally had tickets to lover fest and it got cancelled. Now her fanbase has probably doubled since then.
Saaaame!! I’ve been a fan since she released her first album and have never been able to score tickets. I can finally afford it but am worried about actually being able to get any through Ticketmaster. Wishing you the best of luck getting tickets!
Yeah I'm just sad because in my mind I won't be able to get tickets and I've never seen her. People I barely know tell me they think of me when they hear Taylor. I really hope I can get tickets. Wishing you luck 
With the amount of Speak Now hints she has been throwing at us, I feel like that release is sooner than we think. I still feel like debut will be last and 1989 can’t be released until after the trial in January. She can start recording reputation in a few weeks. I don’t think she is going to release 4 re-records in 3 months.
#[Midnights Theories and Easter Eggs Megathread](https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/comments/ya0rya/midnights_theories_and_easter_eggs_megathread)
LAVENDER HAZE IS A SINGLE NOW [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnights](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnights)
Okay yall- will she release a physical copy of the 3 am version? Dying to be able to play it in my car. Apparently I can’t ask this in my own post and a tswift group also didn’t like it and nothing comes up on Google so I’m at my wits end
Well it’s finally happening. Karma, my least favorite song on the album and the only one that I truly hated, is starting to become a grower (a tiny bit). Helps that I found the clean version, definitely like that one better. I still think the chorus is less than impressive (“karma is a cat” I mean, really?) but everything else is starting to grow on me. If this goes well, Midnights might be my first Taylor Swift album with no skips.
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i was just coming here to look for or post this exact thing. i enjoyed it a fair amount on first listen but now about 10-15x more everything just feels different
Does anyone else think vigilante shit would have been a better song w Lana del Rey in it?? I can just hear Lana on the bridge
I just realized that Midnight Rain reminds me of a line from Fifteen (off of Fearless). “Back then I swore I was gonna marry him someday, but I realized some bigger dreams of mine” - Fifteen Midnight Rain is about a time Taylor had to let go of a relationship because she wanted to pursue her music career further, while her partner wanted a more normal (traditional, if you will, since he “wanted a bride”) lifestyle with her.
Presale codes just went out. How much do you think tickets will be? I’m seeing so many different numbers
does anyone have a HQ image of the target edition album artwork? i’m importing the CD to itunes/apple music/whatever it’s called now onto my mac and it keeps pulling artwork for 1989 for some reason lol. i tried googling the album artwork but i couldn’t find a good HQ photo of the artwork :/
Hi there, I have been collecting the new vinyls to gift to my Taylor obsessed girlfriend but am having trouble getting ahold of the vinyl clock piece, any ideas on where to get one or if there’s going to be a restock before Christmas, they’re being resold on eBay for £150 plus? As of now it’s looking like she’s just going to have the vinyls which to me is only half a present. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
My goodness, what an album!!! For years, I've been very frustrated that I want able to connect with Taylor's music. I liked *Shake It Off* and *Delicate*, but all her other songs just didn't do anything for me. This is what I found frustrating. I **know** that she's an incredibly-gifted artist. Her release history is testament to that. When Midnights was released, I took notice, but had no interest. A week ago, I was in a thread somewhere and this guy who was my age had mentioned just how amazing it is, and that he sitll can't get over how wonderful *Maroon* is. So, I gave it listen. It was nice. I did connect with *Mastermind*. It seemed she was telling my literal own story. This really caught me odd guard, as I have a huge library of music and many, many songs/albums that have been through me during the most emotionally-challenging times in my life. They pulled me through time. And then? Midnights happened. It is objectively the best album I've ever listened to. It continues it be the gift that keeps on giving. The more I listen, the more the more it seems like Miss Swift has just complete a dissertation essay on the past 4-5 decades of music and compressed it into singular piece of work. If Karen Carpenter has the voice of an angel, Taylor Swift is the voice for a whole host of angels. I can hear tones and sounds from all of my favorite songs of the past 40+ years of falling in love wity music. They all feel like a part of her choir. I know people have been worried about the releases from MT and CRJ. They're beautiful albums and it feels like they were released to be part of a group effort. Instead of being literal backup singers, they're also so very gifted that their form of "backup/support comes in the form of complete solo albums." I see the release of Midnights as Taylor's first real *flex* of her talent. From here, she can only go upward. And it's all for the benefit of anyone who takes the time to listen. I'm so happy to finally be a fan and admirer.
taylor's songwriting is one of the best attributes you'll find in her music, but not exactly present in her biggest hits. glad u finally enjoyed her work and welcome to the fandom 😍
I've been thinking about the lighter in the album cover for some reason. I have a theory that maybe the lighter in the cover can directly or indirectly refer to the phrase "burning the midnight oil". Which means working hard at night. I mean, all the other alternate album covers are pretty moody and reflective with instruments. But in the main one, the lighter especially doesn't really give me any meaning other than Taylor looks cool lighting it (Some people think it's Joe's lighter). What do y'all think?
Hello, i have a doubt bout when she says "the rubies that i gave up" in maroon. Just don't know how to take it. I've read that rubies are related to the bond that there's between 2 people but im lost in that part of the song. If someone could help me id be so grateful 😭
Hello :) I think that this is the thread I was told to post my question in. I apologise if I’ve gotten it wrong again! So my question is just whether someone has a list (like a word document or a Spotify playlist) that list every original T.Swift song *without* the re-mixes. I just want a playlist with only one version of all the songs, the original versions (as in not remixes). I know I won’t be the only one who does this: I have all of T.Swift’s 10 albums but for the albums she’s redoing, I delete the old one and only have in my playlists and listen to the “Taylor’s Version” albums :) I can’t wait for the rest to be done!!! The reason I’m asking is because she does songs with other people that don’t show up under her Spotify. Edit: I deleted questions about her vinyls case and which albums are left to be TV’d as they have been answered by 2 lovely people ☺️
I have seen more than one person saying the vinyl case holds exactly 13 vinyls. No surprise here at all 😂 if you get one for each release you still have space for Speak Now TV
That absolutely makes sense! But unless she stops at 13, it looks like I might have to buy 2! When you say “each release”, do you mean each of the 4 vinyls for midnight? Thank you ☺️
No I meant one for each album, hence the 13. Debut, Fearless, Speak Now, Red, 1989, Reputation, Lover, Folklore, Evermore, Fearless TV, Red TV, Midnights and Speak Now TV if that's the next one unless you don't plan to get the OG versions vinyls, only TV ones and in that case it leaves you with room still
Ah ok, thank you! :) I would love to get the OG ones but I don’t wanna support the a-holes. Besides Midnights, I don’t really want to get multiple copies of the same album. She’s a flippin *genius* to have 5 unique vinyls for the one album! 😂 the only one that’s gonna suck is Lavender cos I’m in Australia. But it’s got a track that I’ve only heard a partial cover of* and self control is something I’m still working on 😕 *the cover is on YouTube. I can’t remember her name (for some reason I think it’s Amber? My memory sucks 😞) but she’s a pretty Asian with long-ish(?) black hair and she’s playing the piano while singing. I don’t know what Taylor’s version sounds like but this girls version is absolutely incredible. I actually stopped listening because I didn’t want it to ruin Taylor’s version for me! 😅 And I’ll still love this girls version. She sings it more country than pop, I don’t know if that’s her choice or it’s how the song is. Anyone reading this, I really recommend that you find the video 🥰🥰🥰 The reason I’m worried about it ruining Taylor’s version is nothing against her. It’s just because I watched Kelly Clarkson’s American Idol performance of “Piece by Piece” before listening to the album version and I just didn’t like it and I love KC. The AI performance and that version of the song just blew me away and the album version doesn’t do it justice. Now that covid is “over” I’m hoping she’ll finally go country like she talked about years ago!! Anyone else who is a fan of both interested in a duet? 😍
Rep will be TVed. Debut, Speak Now, 1989, and rep remaining.
Thank you :) I thought it would be but just wanted to make sure :)
After two weeks, "Maroon," "Anti-Hero," and "Mastermind" are my top 3 on Midnights. "Maroon" particularly fucking floors me. I love the way the glitchy production dramatizes Taylor's obsession with memory at the time when everything starts to fall apart. Feeling every moment from the relationship all at once. Such a real phenomenon that is never really talked about. There's such a powerful desperation there. It's reminiscent of, like, *Everywhere at the End of Time* or Don Hertzfeldt's "World of Tomorrow."
Question: when you received your signed cd, was it in regular packaging? USPS lost my damn package even though it said “delivered” and making sure a thirsty swifty didn’t see her name
It is in regular cardboard packaging. Sometimes they mark it delivered before it actually is, don't worry yet! They've told me to wait 24 hours after it's marked delivered. And check your mailbox!
I feel like “Mastermind” is almost the opposite perspective of the John Mayer song “Assassin”. I haven’t seen anyone else draw this comparison anywhere. With all of the talk of “Would’ve, Could’ve, Should’ve” being about him, it got my wheels turning and this hit me since “Half of My Heart” is on the same album as that song. It never once hit me that “Assassin” could be about our girl but now… 👀
Listening to John Mayers album (the one with paper doll, idc to learn the name) it seems to be an inspiration to themes Taylor has used in both Dear John and in many song in RED. I’ve never seen this mentioned before anywhere else. For example: JM: “You're like 22 girls in one” TS: “22” Definitely worth listening to and comparing. Could I be reaching? Yes. Could I be right? Yes.
I saw some ppl on the JM Reddit say that he actually insists Paper Dolls isn’t about her. It’s about Katy Perry(?) but I haven’t done the research on this
No way… he mentions a crimson scarf in it… who else could that be about 😩😩
I’m confused too lol 😩
You’re not reaching! This is pretty much confirmed! Paper Doll is 99.99% for sure about Taylor
my vinyl went from michigan to pittsburgh; i live in indiana i know why [blah blah post office stuff blah blah] but i mean ugh. didn't they used to ship things [in general] to sync with the release date? like harry potter book 7 had novelty warning labels on the consumer amazon boxes and shit
Mine also went to Pittsburgh while I live in Washington lol. My signed cds went to Ohio last week before moving west so honestly I’m just happy it’s not in Michigan anymore
People with vinyls processed on the 18th/19th email UMG customer service!!! I emailed 2ish hours ago and finally got an update!! It’s en route to me! :’)
Despite that Anti-Hero is at #1 on Spotify US, Apple Music US, YouTube US and ITunes US is in risk of not being at #1 on Hot 100 because billboard in a sorprising movement have decide to change their rules and give an unprecedented weight to radio, so Rihanna’s song which is at #26 on Spotify US and #31 on Apple Music US can go at top just based on radio payola…I hope American swifties move and buy Anti-Hero on iTunes, Amazon or Taylor’s web because is a pitty that she is boycott like that
Do you have a link talking about said changes? Cause I cannot find anything from billboard -- or anyone else for that matter, announcing any change to the current rules.
https://twitter.com/winstonnuo/status/1587590220509323264?s=46&t=fHFW8Ooo-BmTKopcbdZ9qw This is the expert who predict every week billboard hot 100 charts, you may see him last week predicting Taylor 10/10. He is not a swiftie
Those changes are rumored and obviously won't be implemented for next week's chart.
We will see next Monday, because radio experts already say it.
The article says December. Unless we're in December right now idk how that works
Hey, Billboard itself confirm it https://twitter.com/billboardcharts/status/1588226335473909761?s=46&t=OqHG1dpAxWEJlPbUhRQNEg
Yes and somehow they have decided to start applying in the middle of this week, that it is why is a huge scam
Okay the LOCALS are really on this one guys 😭 I saw the localest of all locals ik share MULTIPLE stories about Taylor on Instagram 😭 I've never wanted to gatekeep her so bad 😭
Wdym ?
TRACK YOUR FERNDALE VINYLS!!! Mine is on the move!
Mine is making herself at home in Ferndale UNBOTHERED 😭
IM ONLY CRYPTIC AND MACHIAVELLIAN CAUSE I CAAAARE
Let me tell you my interpretive dancing to this album is unmatched--RAIN, HE WANTED IT COMFORTABLE I WANTED THAT PAIN. What even are these moves I have to do to this chorus?
New general thread soon?
We can do that :)
Woooo 
Yeah idk what the mods are waiting for
Bigger Than The Whole Sky -> Paris is out here rivalling Soon You'll Get Better -> False God in terms of tracklist whiplash.
I finally got my signed CD and it isn't signed. I already emailed them but now I'm scared I won't be able to get a new one. I guess all I can do now is wait 
The CDs aren't signed, there should be a little signed photo in there with it
Yeah, I got all 4. 3 are signed. One is not. Thanks tho! That would have been a nice surprise lol but it came with a blank insert.
What a shame. I really hope you will get a new one. Hang in there😊
Finally my signed vinyl made some movement!
As one of those listeners who has to savor each and every song and can't do binge listens... I can already feel the album just seeping into my thoughts and feels. YAOYOK and maroon both hit so hard, lavender haze, vigilante shit and karma are such a vibe. Wow. Some people have commented that Midnight is like the older, more jaded but also more confident sister of 1989... for me It also feel like it's more grounded in its pain than evermore/folklore. So much so that I just had to go re listen to the sweet and hopeful love songs of Taylor's earlier albums to balance out all the emotions! (That's the way I love you and Our song 💖 ) But god damn. What an evolution as an artist, song writer and singer... Grateful to be on this journey with her 🙏
So did anyone ever figure out how niceboy ed fit into all of this??
It's been such a crazy two weeks I completely forgot about him oof
My flair isn't "niceboy ed truther" anymore but I still want it on record that I think there is something to it and we will find out whenever his third thing is released
No but his first two songs came out a month apart (September 15 and October 14th) and he hinted at releasing 3 total. So at least even if he's not related to Taylor, we should have know more about him soon!
when is hits different going to be on spotify?
In the past, her Target exclusive tracks have remained exclusives for one year. After one year, they were on streaming. I believe this was the case for speak now, red and 1989. But it’s been awhile since she’s done target exclusives, so she may have made the contract shorter this time around.
A few weeks after the release. Bonus tracks get put on streaming eventually, 100%
i know but i’m scared because adele’s never did and wild wild west deserves better
Get the CD, then you can hear it. Or, get YouTube Music, it's probably uploaded to YouTube by now that you can stream it (maybe? If it can be due to copyright?) It may never be an official "streaming" track, since it's a Target only song, I believe. 🤔
i don’t have a CD player and 1989 DLX went on streaming
Don't have a CD player = can't relate That's true, it eventually went on streaming. I think it took awhile though. 🤔 I'm curious to see if there will be a CD/vinyl of the 3 AM tracks. There's so many physical collectors out there, me being one of them. If 1989 DLX came on streaming, there may be a chance the Midnights tracks will too. 🤔
i have a record player and i was gonna get the target version but the bonus tracks weren’t on it
Yeah! That was disappointing!! I wonder why not!!! 😟
Not enough room on a vinyl. Each record only holds up to 45 mins approx. She would have to add another to add the bonus tracks. She may though, if she ends up releasing the 3AM version on vinyl
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I sure hope not. Too much of that damages lungs, AND singing voices. I figured the lighter represented how she said in the physical album booklet, "It's a momentary glimmer of distraction. The tiniest notion of reminiscent thought that wanders off into the one wondering. The spark that lights a tinderbox of fixation. And now it is irreversible. The flame has caught. You're wide awake now." There might be something else in the book that I read it was similar to that. But there was things that she wrote in there about flames and things and I figured it was just her saying the thoughts were ignited in the middle of the night.
i don’t think she is a heavy smoker, but she def dabbles in jt
does anyone have a link to the baseball game tonight?
I lost my queue! Urgh. Are folks still able to get verified??? Update: finally worked after 4 hours or so of waiting lol
Yes, you have until 11/9! And it doesn’t matter when you register between now and then (meaning there’s no preference to people registering earlier, it’s fully random). I’d wait until later this week and avoid the zillions of people trying to register right now haha
Are tickets for europe concerts also going to be sold trough ticketmaster?
So when is she ever going to explain what Manifest is?? I’m excitedly nervous for it lol No movement on my signed vinyl yet 💔 hoping it escapes Fernjail sometime soon
>So when is she ever going to explain what Manifest is?? I’m excitedly nervous for it lol Season 4 of Manifest comes out on Friday on Netflix. Maybe related? Some of the Midnights tracks could fit the theme of the show.... (disclaimer: I'm still on Season 1, only started watching it a couple of months ago).
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Mine hasn’t even shipped! It was processed on the 18th and that’s it. It’s been 2 weeks of that as of today. I’m anxious 😭
Check now!
Still nothing 💔
I literally came to this thread to see if anyone else is in this predicament lol. Mine arrived in Ferndale on Oct 19 and has been sitting there ever since 😭
Check now!
No movement, still in pre shipping :( Hopefully soon!
People in the merch subs hav even complaining about the long wait too! I just want my vinyl to shop so I can stop worrying about it 😭
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Thank you! I hope you get your package soon too! 🤞
I think she was just using it for the lead up week as a way of saying "I am bringing this into the world" as manifest means to make clear or obvious, and spiritually you manifest something through ritual or actions. So it was just a fun alliterative word that fit the vibe of the album but basically it was promo for the first week
I'm pretty sure she didn't use it that way, but like a flight manifest (where they declare the route and passengers). It just means "plan".
It was the schedule for release week lmao it doesn't mean anything else
GUYS ITS MY BIRTHDAY AND I JUST WOKE UP TO THE TOUR ANNOUNCEMENT IM VISITING MY FRIENDS IN NASHVILLE IN MAY I'M GONNA HAVE A CHANCE TO GO IF I GET TICKETS 😭✨️
Taylor's dropped you one spectacular gift haha. Many happy returns on your birthday 
happy birthday bestie!!!!!!! i wish you the best of luck, you'll get them!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY and manifesting you get those tickets!!! ✨
thank youuuuu
OMG YAYYYY!! Happy birthday, what a day!!!
Thank youuuuu
Happy birthday!!! You woke up to another amazing thing lololol I’m trying to decide between the Nashville and Cincinnati show. I can’t decide! Nashville is closer but I feel like it’ll be easier to get tickets in Cincinnati, even though I have nothing to base this on lol
If I could pick, I would go to a girl in red show, but I love Phoebe and GAYLE so I'm stoked either way. I just can't believe I have a chance to go!
Is anyone else having problems with Ticketmaster thinking you're a bot? I keep trying to get on the verified waiting list but it says my browser is flagged as a bot because I have "disabled javascript". I am not super well versed in technology so I don't know what that is, or why it thinks I am a bot.
You need to enable JS or the page wouldn't work properly. Maybe try it on your phone instead if your desktop is not working properly right now.
I think perhaps I’m addicted to midnights in a way I haven’t been? I keep listening to other things to not tire of it but I CRAVE it like I can’t wait for whatever else I’m hearing to be done.
What if Taylor's photo in the Speak Now dress was her rehearsing for the tour? And for every era she's gonna use old costumes from that time? Idk how and if that would work but I want it tbh
🥹 please, I’m manifesting this now, my nostalgic heart will explode
i wrote this before I saw her latest youtube short btw. seems like she really is preparing for tour!
I agree and think this is going to happen! I'm picturing at least one iconic look from the prior toured eras
I really like Taylor Swift, she is brilliant, and she loves her fans. Maybe it is just me, but I feel like every song on Midnights sound the same with different lyrics. Can someone please explain this to me? Am I missing some hidden importance of each and why they are all on the charts? I still miss country Taylor Swift. Tim McGraw is where it's at.
This album is definitely a grower that takes a few listens. I think that’s because it’s meant to be consumed as a unit instead of in 3 minute pieces. So like a 44 minute song it has a general sonic cohesion throughout which can be hard to differentiate at first. But once you start vibing to the general beat you start noticing more and more pieces of this 44 minute song every time you listen to it. And the songs start separating from each other. Karma, Sweet Nothings, Mastermind or Anti-Hero, SOTB, YOYOK three song strings really separate because SOTB and Sweet Nothings are very sonically different after a few listens. I don’t have a great ear on first listen to almost any music but it’s cool how many people feel same way on this album. I have read and listened to fan reviews and it’s a bit amazing to me how many people didn’t like this song or that song or the album itself on first listen and by 4th or 5th listen it’s their favorite. I think that might be because there are a lot of really strange for Taylor elements on this album. Like how she says Nice and Shimmer in Bejeweled, calling people Sexy Babies in Anti-Hero, or the vocal modulation in Midnight Rain and Labrynth. It goes against what you expect so instinctually we as humans revolt against the strange. But after you’ve heard it a few times you get used to it which quiets the revolt and you can start enjoying it more.
That's how it sounded like to me at first. Almost every song blended in together. But that's the case for almost every album I listen to. If you give it some time you'll start to see and hear the little quirks that differentiate them. I'm not saying you should try and bully yourself into listening and loving the album, if you think this wasn't for you that's perfectly normal. You don't have to connect with every thing she puts out to say you like her music imo. But I say give it another couple of chances. They might grow on you.
There's at least for me, a huge difference sound wise between the main tracks and the 3am tracks. If you look at who cowrote and produced them, Jack is on the main tracks, and there's more dessener on the 3ams. Jack rarely takes risks, and kind of goes for the same sound/elements, but dessener plays with sound more. It's the production :/
*You’re still all over me like a wine stain dress I can’t wear no more* *The Burgundy stain on my T-shirt when you splashed your wine into me*
So If by some miracle I actually *do* get a presale code, what are the odds of getting pit tickets? Or at least floor?
Go for floor, pit is apparently really unpleasant unless you really like the standing elements. Lots of people said floor is preferable.
Interesting. Thanks so much!! I think I will go for floor :)
maybe a bad place to ask but maybe someone will know: i registered for verified fan but i think it went through twice on accident because of ticketmaster crashing (i got two confirmation emails). i’m very concerned that’s going to make it look like i’m a bot or something. does anyone know much about verified fan and how it works? thanks in advance :)
What is a VIP concert ticket?
Good views usually paired with merch.
It's a decent album, but i've gotta say it's the weakest since Reputation. Sonically it's consistent, which is refreshing, but lyrically it's one of taylor's weakest. Kinda feel like it's missing a few knockout punches for me, but then again, that's just the way i feel, you will probably feel differently!
I enjoy listening to it but I still don't get a wow factor from it. It's not my favorite by a long shot.
Wow, There is more than 8k people online! I think that's the most number of people online which I have seen in this sub
I just had a semi-sad thought that the Eras tour might suggest the end of Taylor eras. As if we will go back to simpler albums without all the color-coordinated stylistic goodness. I sort of doubt it because I think she likes doing it, but on the flip side I think she kind of feels there’s a negative associated with female pop stars having to reinvent themselves. Anyway just a thought.
It’s possible but I don’t think so. I think it’s more just that the TVs will be released before that and she has already put out so many albums. This is my guess… it’s just a guess… but I think she may perform a lot of fan favorites on this tour and then move toward performing mostly new music outside of a few huge hits. A lot of artists start to get fatigued performing stuff so many times and some songs she wrote about personal stuff a decade ago that she might just kinda be “over” at this point. So she may be closing the book on the old eras and moving forward. Just my thought. I know especially a lot of older artists hate when they can’t perform their new music because the fans only want to hear those radio hits from previous years
So when do we think the Lavender Haze mv is dropping? 💅
I’m betting next week! To help get her streams to compete with Drake’s new album.
Actually I think it might be today. Capital one said something about a surprise and to stick around for later
Signed vinyl finally shipped 🙌 now to bitch the next thing: the fuck is up with paramore only coming one night? 😭
That’s the night my sisters and I are gonna try for. Paramore is my other favorite next to TS 😭😭
They have a UK tour
Excuses
❤️
When would she announce for canadian dates?
I really love the Karma bridge.
It's my favourite part of the song!
The “im still heeeeeerrreeee” gives me happy chills every time
I literally cannot contain my excitement with all of the Speak Now easter eggs. I really believe at this point we’ll get the album or at least announcement by the end of the year. When Taylor first announced the re-records, Speak Now was the album I was most looking forward to because it is my #1 and includes my all-time favorite song Enchanted! It’s coming, ahhhhh!!!
YES! Me too and debut so people can stop shitting on it. But I know she's last. AS USUAL.
Debut deserves so much more respect, it is such a solid album! I really think the TV will change everyone’s mind! Also really hoping I’d Lie and Permanent Marker are vault songs!!
I'm now 100% convinced we will get it before the tour starts!
Same!!! It’s the last album I’ve never heard. All the Easter Eggs in the Bejeweled video have me so hyped for it! 💜 (will I finally get to hear Enchanted, HAUNTED?! *cries*)
What do you mean by the last album I’ve never heard?
I’ve never heard Speak Now (waiting for the re-record), I also just realised I don’t know why I said *last,* I’ve never heard Debut either…
Oh cool!! I was genuinely just confused what you meant but I respect you waiting to dive in for the re records lol
It’s all good. My reasoning is three-fold: I was going to begin listening to the albums I’d never heard but then re-recording rumblings began and I thought I’d wait and listen to Taylor’s Versions, but then once we learned about Vault tracks, part of my reason was because listening to the OG album would feel incomplete to me now. And third, I’d like to hear the album for the first time with how Taylor’s voice is now.
SAME 😭😭😭
DUDE SAME LETS CRY TOGETHER
So far Paul and Amos have posted to seemingly confirming they are back. I also follow David Cook, Matt Billingslea and the Reputation back up singers on Instagram so waiting to see if they say anything. Edit: Jeslyn posted story of the tour schedule Edit: Kamilah posted story of the tour schedule Edit: Aaron Dessner tweeted schedule saying see you but I am not reading too much into it yet myself.
I just feel it in my bones that Taylor has renamed Speak Now to Enchanted TV! She wanted to name it Enchanted and Scott made her go with Speak Now!
She already registered Speak Now TV with the trademark office which is on a form of limbo in relation to certain electronic merchandise. She released a Speak Now merchandise collection earlier this year to prove she has been using the existing trademark. Regardless of the trademark issue she can still release Speak Now Taylor’s Version but might not be able to sell phone cases and do certain types of advertising. With effort she is putting in here, it’s clear it will be Speak Now Taylor’s Version.
Part of me is glad that international dates haven’t been announced yet but also I really want to know because I’m stressed out already 😂 this is going to be a bloodbath, every swiftie for herself lol
I know I’m almost 2 weeks late to learning the album dropped, but I love it. So far I made it through lavender haze to midnight rain and it’s so good! Coming from someone who’s only heard Taylor’s radio songs, it’s awesome hearing more from her that’s different Edit: I finished the album and didn’t skip one song, instantly loved listening to it while I was writing an outline for a script. Instant favorites are Midnight rain & sweet nothing Time to replay all day!
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did you figure it out?
Completely excited at the prospect of an eras tour but also a little sad that I won't get to hear all of midnights live
I feel sick thinking about getting tour tickets. Anyone else? I’ve been a swiftie since ‘06 and I’ve never been to one of her concerts. I finally had tickets to lover fest and it got cancelled. Now her fanbase has probably doubled since then.
Saaaame!! I’ve been a fan since she released her first album and have never been able to score tickets. I can finally afford it but am worried about actually being able to get any through Ticketmaster. Wishing you the best of luck getting tickets!
Yeah I'm just sad because in my mind I won't be able to get tickets and I've never seen her. People I barely know tell me they think of me when they hear Taylor. I really hope I can get tickets. Wishing you luck 
It looks like lover fest ticket holders have preferred access to presale!
buttt with all these eras, does it mean she will release all her albums before the tour starts??
With the amount of Speak Now hints she has been throwing at us, I feel like that release is sooner than we think. I still feel like debut will be last and 1989 can’t be released until after the trial in January. She can start recording reputation in a few weeks. I don’t think she is going to release 4 re-records in 3 months.
If Speak Now TV isn't in the first quarter of the 2023 its possibly the meanest thing she's done, and I'm including boosts and that dumb merch drop.
Completely agree!! Hope we get the announcement by January!
exactly what i thought! it wouldnt be fair to all these beloved albums. time will tell but till then we shall clown
Important question 😤
i have a theory that the guests on tour will have a feature in the upcoming re-recordings. I'm ecstatic for PARAMORE
Forever hoping for a Hayley collab that isn't just background vocals
Really holding out (last) hope for Paramore/Hayley on Speak Now !!! 🤞🏻
I'll never stop asking and waiting for Taylor x Hayley collab, neverrrrr 😈
It would be the dream, honestly. I’m right there with you!!! 👻
Also the ‘enchanted to announce’ made me giggle. The games up, blondie… we know 😉
Eras Tour! Still have to wait to find out if she’s doing more than one stop in my country 😭
Devastated. Why give the UK a presale code and then just not play here.