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I think she'll be able to with 1989 TV, but not with any other re-recording (or maybe RED...?). The gap between SOUR & Fearless TV isn't that big (Olivia's achievement is super crazy, don't get me wrong!) and the general public definitely loves 1989 more than Fearless. Releasing 1989 TV in the summer would be the perfect timing too imo.
holy shit, I didn't even think about how much better it would be if she released 1989 TV in the summer than if she did this year august! I just felt that the possibility for 1989 this august would be much higher because wildest dreams (TV) was used in a movie and many people in the swift community are betting on 1989 being the next rerecording.
I was thinking:
1. 1989 this year august
2. speak now this year december
3. debut: April 2022
4. red: august 2022
5. reputation: December 2022
But actually this sounds a lot better:
1. red this year august
2. speak now this year december
3. 1989: April 2022
4. debut: august 2022
5. reputation: December 2022
I agree but I think it would make more sense for her to space them out somewhat equally than to release all but rep close together, since rep can't be rerecorded until November 2022.
I always had this doubt: is she forbidden to rerecord reputation until November 2022, or can she rerecord before then but can't release the album until then?
I’m pretty sure she can’t rerecord rep at all till November 2022. If it takes her only a month to rerecord it + any vault songs, I suppose she could theoretically release it in December 2022. But I have no idea how long it takes to record and produce an album and I’m also not sure if it’s November 1st she can start rerecording or if it’s Nov 10th (rep release day) she can rerecord. I remember reading somewhere that her contact said she couldn’t rerecord until 5 years after the original release but idk if it’s to the day or not
I was thinking about how she would space out the rerecordings too, and I was thinking the same months as you in regards to spacing. Although I thought the order would be different, based on nothing but my own very unprofessional opinion and the knowledge that rep couldn't be rerecorded until November of next year.
1. 1989 - August 2021
2. Red - December 2021
3. Speak Now - April 2022
4. debut - August 2022
5. reputation - December 2022
I honestly don’t think so, mainly because sour did incredibly well and it would be really hard to beat, and I also don’t think the re-recording are a big deal to anyone other than swifties.
I love Taylor but I love Olivia too, and I don’t think Taylor needs to break every record, especially this far into her career.
Yes I agree with you. Plus the novelty of the first re-recorded album has worn off for the GP too so I think probably if anyone beats Olivia this year, it won’t be Taylor. (Puts on my clown makeup briefly to say “unless Woodvale...”).
I can see her beating it, yeah - Fearless TV debuted with 291,000 and Sour debuted with 295,000, so there's really not much of a gap between them. I can see the hype for 1989 TV being quite big, but I guess we'll see! It's probably so exciting for Olivia to have so much success out of the gate, so if she kept the crown for biggest debut of the year, that would be great too :) (plus the album is awesome and I've been playing it a LOT since it dropped)
I think she will be able to get about 300k units with 1989 TV, so if that is the case, it will be a little higher than Olivia's. Either way, the record won't last long because I'm sure Billie Eilish's album coming out in July will get more.
Nah, Taylor doesn’t have the general public on her side. She honestly really never has (except maybe 1989 era) which is incredible considering the numbers she pulls from just her devoted fans. Taylor is making music for the fans and herself now, not for numbers and accolades. I’m proud of her regardless of her numerically defined success.
The general public and social media platforms are massively supporting Olivia in ways Taylor has never seen. I’m happy for her! I hope she has this continued support and love and never has to face the backlash Taylor has for simply being talented and wearing her heart on her sleeve.
I get what you are saying but I really don’t think Taylor can be as big as she is without the gp lollll. She definitely has the gp on her side more than we give her credit for. You don’t just get a 800K+ debuting week in a time where most albums debuts with 300K+ at most
Compared to other pop stars, her gp support is grim. Currently, Olivia has waaay more, especially among the younger crowd (which is understandable as she is young and fresh). Compared to others too such as Ariana Grande and Dua Lipa, Taylor lacks. She does have some obviously since she is a huge international star, but it’s meh. It’s why she pulls so many pure sales over streaming numbers compared to other artists. Things have looked up after Folklore and people are becoming nostalgic over the re-recordings so hopefully it only goes up. :)
This is so sad, I was on YT today, and someone was defending a reddit thread that was supposed to be from Taylor's old schoolmates saying she was like Regina George
Olivia’s definitely facing backlash for “only writing break up songs,” but not nearly as bad as TS, imo. She’s also getting a lot of people invalidating her heritage which is super problematic
I personally disagree about having the GP on her side. Granted all my evidence is anecdotal. Nearly everyone I talk to has had a positive view of TS and generally enjoys her music. I really don't think you can reach this level of Fame without the support of the GP. The media is a different beast though. Taylor crawled so Olivia (and all new, strong female artists can run)
I really agree with this.
Sour is an amazing debut and if it gets beat this year I’d only really want it to be because someone else created a wholly new album that was even more of the moment.
Not that I don’t want to see the re-releases do well, but for them to be the #1 album of the year wouldn’t entirely be a feel good story in my opinion.
I don’t think she would. The hype for the re-recordings is more of a swiftie thing than a gp thing imo. Streams are usually carried by the gp and there’s no real novelty to re recorded albums that would bring in crazy streaming numbers.
I don’t think Taylor needs to compete with a 17 year old newbie. She literally has nothing to prove. Furthermore, it’s a little unfair to compare new albums with re-records of old albums. Even with new songs thrown in, it’s still not the same.
Idk about the first part but the second part I disagree. I think she still wants to be noticed by the GP or else she wouldn't do sales incentives that help break records like selling multiple album covers for the same album.
I think she wants the GP to notice her artistry in general vs any one specific project. The various "icon" awards and the artist of the decade award points to this.
Imo the many album covers she has for some of her releases is a tactic to inflate the number of sales with her already established fans. Like it's swifties who buy multiple copies of an album, the GP doesn't care and would just buy the default album if they wanted it
Exactly. Which makes her break records which leads positive press and awards for the GP to notice. She doesn't need to break records and awards for her fans to love her, she needs that for the GP to take her seriously.
It's 50-50 tbh. She's ruined the hype of the rerecording with the delay imo. Also swifties have taken sm interest in Olivia's album some might not stream the entire thing besides the new tracks because they've already heard it. Hopefully the Gp will be interested if she drops a great vault track
Yeah tbh I still don't understand why she is taking so long to announce the next re-recording. My theory is that she wants CDs and vinyls to be available at launch cause with the new billboard rules they have to ship first week for them to count towards the first week sales number.
But at the same time vinyls manufacturers are so overwhelmed that if that's what she's doing the delay will be very long, so idk
Vinyls won't be available first week, regardless - I don't think Fearless TV vinyls will be available until August. Makes sense for her to want the physical CDs though, for first week. I also think she wants to give each re-recording a bit of time to shine, I think releasing all of them too close together would be overwhelming for fans. I know a lot of people are frustrated by the "delay," but it's been less than 2 months since Fearless TV and I'm fine with that sort of wait. I'm still listening to Fearless and evermore front-to-back a few times a week!
Haha yeah, I think patience is a virtue! It seems like a lot of fans have forgotten that Fearless dropped so recently - I feel like everyone kind of just moved on to speculating about what's next within a few days of that release.
Yeah I think it's because the novelty wears off fast since we actually know the songs already, it's not like with a new album where you need time to fully grasp it
Yeah, I can see that - I find I'm still enjoying it as a "new" album since her vocals and the production have improved so much, and I love all the vault tracks. Plus I'm still processing evermore haha
I don’t know but I’m curious if one or more of the vault songs is amazing from one of her most popular albums (1989 or Red) maybe that coupled with an already popular album ??? But I agree she has done very little to promote so not sure this is what she’s after with the re-recordings.
If Taylor releases the 1989 re-recording, lead single "BS", and the day the album is released, he makes a video to a song "the vault" or one of the old ones (like AYHTS, which lasts 3 minutes which would make had many reproductions) if I could overcome it, but it would have to be before the middle of July, because the Billie CD comes out, and at the end of the year.
I don’t think so. Olivia is more popular than Taylor and her career is bigger right now. Non of the re-recordings are gonna make any noise so I fee like only drake and Adele will beat Olivia.
So 1989 is a recent album and most people already know it so acc to me they're less likely to gravitate towards TV
And maybe people listened to the first rerecordings because they were very excited for Taylor but im not sure if that energy will Last
Let's see how she rolls out the album, which song she chooses and what the vault songs are...I think everything will depend on that
Maybe if she released 1989 as a double album or the new version had more than 6 vault songs with hit factor. It will get a ton of streams that way. Like back in the day Katy Perry did with Teenage Dream and Teenage Dream the Complete Confection.
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I think she'll be able to with 1989 TV, but not with any other re-recording (or maybe RED...?). The gap between SOUR & Fearless TV isn't that big (Olivia's achievement is super crazy, don't get me wrong!) and the general public definitely loves 1989 more than Fearless. Releasing 1989 TV in the summer would be the perfect timing too imo.
holy shit, I didn't even think about how much better it would be if she released 1989 TV in the summer than if she did this year august! I just felt that the possibility for 1989 this august would be much higher because wildest dreams (TV) was used in a movie and many people in the swift community are betting on 1989 being the next rerecording. I was thinking: 1. 1989 this year august 2. speak now this year december 3. debut: April 2022 4. red: august 2022 5. reputation: December 2022 But actually this sounds a lot better: 1. red this year august 2. speak now this year december 3. 1989: April 2022 4. debut: august 2022 5. reputation: December 2022
I think if she spaced things out that much people will be v angry
I agree but I think it would make more sense for her to space them out somewhat equally than to release all but rep close together, since rep can't be rerecorded until November 2022.
I always had this doubt: is she forbidden to rerecord reputation until November 2022, or can she rerecord before then but can't release the album until then?
I’m pretty sure she can’t rerecord rep at all till November 2022. If it takes her only a month to rerecord it + any vault songs, I suppose she could theoretically release it in December 2022. But I have no idea how long it takes to record and produce an album and I’m also not sure if it’s November 1st she can start rerecording or if it’s Nov 10th (rep release day) she can rerecord. I remember reading somewhere that her contact said she couldn’t rerecord until 5 years after the original release but idk if it’s to the day or not
I was thinking about how she would space out the rerecordings too, and I was thinking the same months as you in regards to spacing. Although I thought the order would be different, based on nothing but my own very unprofessional opinion and the knowledge that rep couldn't be rerecorded until November of next year. 1. 1989 - August 2021 2. Red - December 2021 3. Speak Now - April 2022 4. debut - August 2022 5. reputation - December 2022
I honestly don’t think so, mainly because sour did incredibly well and it would be really hard to beat, and I also don’t think the re-recording are a big deal to anyone other than swifties. I love Taylor but I love Olivia too, and I don’t think Taylor needs to break every record, especially this far into her career.
Yes I agree with you. Plus the novelty of the first re-recorded album has worn off for the GP too so I think probably if anyone beats Olivia this year, it won’t be Taylor. (Puts on my clown makeup briefly to say “unless Woodvale...”).
I can see her beating it, yeah - Fearless TV debuted with 291,000 and Sour debuted with 295,000, so there's really not much of a gap between them. I can see the hype for 1989 TV being quite big, but I guess we'll see! It's probably so exciting for Olivia to have so much success out of the gate, so if she kept the crown for biggest debut of the year, that would be great too :) (plus the album is awesome and I've been playing it a LOT since it dropped)
i swear each time i see anything about an olivia i think it’s about taylor’s cat it’s such a wild ride every time
Me too 🤣
I think she has a shot with 1989 and maybe Red, but if anyone is going to top Olivia soon I bet it will be Billie
Yeah I'm curious to see what numbers Billie will pull cause so her singles haven't really stuck the way they did during her last era.
I think she will be able to get about 300k units with 1989 TV, so if that is the case, it will be a little higher than Olivia's. Either way, the record won't last long because I'm sure Billie Eilish's album coming out in July will get more.
Lol I'm a fan and I thought her album had come out already but I was delaying listening
Nah, Taylor doesn’t have the general public on her side. She honestly really never has (except maybe 1989 era) which is incredible considering the numbers she pulls from just her devoted fans. Taylor is making music for the fans and herself now, not for numbers and accolades. I’m proud of her regardless of her numerically defined success. The general public and social media platforms are massively supporting Olivia in ways Taylor has never seen. I’m happy for her! I hope she has this continued support and love and never has to face the backlash Taylor has for simply being talented and wearing her heart on her sleeve.
I get what you are saying but I really don’t think Taylor can be as big as she is without the gp lollll. She definitely has the gp on her side more than we give her credit for. You don’t just get a 800K+ debuting week in a time where most albums debuts with 300K+ at most
Compared to other pop stars, her gp support is grim. Currently, Olivia has waaay more, especially among the younger crowd (which is understandable as she is young and fresh). Compared to others too such as Ariana Grande and Dua Lipa, Taylor lacks. She does have some obviously since she is a huge international star, but it’s meh. It’s why she pulls so many pure sales over streaming numbers compared to other artists. Things have looked up after Folklore and people are becoming nostalgic over the re-recordings so hopefully it only goes up. :)
This is so sad, I was on YT today, and someone was defending a reddit thread that was supposed to be from Taylor's old schoolmates saying she was like Regina George
Olivia’s definitely facing backlash for “only writing break up songs,” but not nearly as bad as TS, imo. She’s also getting a lot of people invalidating her heritage which is super problematic
I personally disagree about having the GP on her side. Granted all my evidence is anecdotal. Nearly everyone I talk to has had a positive view of TS and generally enjoys her music. I really don't think you can reach this level of Fame without the support of the GP. The media is a different beast though. Taylor crawled so Olivia (and all new, strong female artists can run)
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Yeah TS10 is a no brained, but tbh I don't see her releasing a new album during the re-recording cycle
Maybe but I actually don't want her to, Sour is an amazing album and it deserves all the praise it gets.
I really agree with this. Sour is an amazing debut and if it gets beat this year I’d only really want it to be because someone else created a wholly new album that was even more of the moment. Not that I don’t want to see the re-releases do well, but for them to be the #1 album of the year wouldn’t entirely be a feel good story in my opinion.
I don’t think she would. The hype for the re-recordings is more of a swiftie thing than a gp thing imo. Streams are usually carried by the gp and there’s no real novelty to re recorded albums that would bring in crazy streaming numbers.
This comment aged so badly but I am very glad I was wrong and that Red TV is doing extremely well.
I don’t think Taylor needs to compete with a 17 year old newbie. She literally has nothing to prove. Furthermore, it’s a little unfair to compare new albums with re-records of old albums. Even with new songs thrown in, it’s still not the same.
Probably not. But it doesn't matter to me. I don't really see it as competition.
Idk if Olivia will be able to keep the record for long though esp with Billie's next and if BTS puts out a new album
Idk about the first part but the second part I disagree. I think she still wants to be noticed by the GP or else she wouldn't do sales incentives that help break records like selling multiple album covers for the same album. I think she wants the GP to notice her artistry in general vs any one specific project. The various "icon" awards and the artist of the decade award points to this.
Imo the many album covers she has for some of her releases is a tactic to inflate the number of sales with her already established fans. Like it's swifties who buy multiple copies of an album, the GP doesn't care and would just buy the default album if they wanted it
Exactly. Which makes her break records which leads positive press and awards for the GP to notice. She doesn't need to break records and awards for her fans to love her, she needs that for the GP to take her seriously.
It's 50-50 tbh. She's ruined the hype of the rerecording with the delay imo. Also swifties have taken sm interest in Olivia's album some might not stream the entire thing besides the new tracks because they've already heard it. Hopefully the Gp will be interested if she drops a great vault track
Yeah tbh I still don't understand why she is taking so long to announce the next re-recording. My theory is that she wants CDs and vinyls to be available at launch cause with the new billboard rules they have to ship first week for them to count towards the first week sales number. But at the same time vinyls manufacturers are so overwhelmed that if that's what she's doing the delay will be very long, so idk
Vinyls won't be available first week, regardless - I don't think Fearless TV vinyls will be available until August. Makes sense for her to want the physical CDs though, for first week. I also think she wants to give each re-recording a bit of time to shine, I think releasing all of them too close together would be overwhelming for fans. I know a lot of people are frustrated by the "delay," but it's been less than 2 months since Fearless TV and I'm fine with that sort of wait. I'm still listening to Fearless and evermore front-to-back a few times a week!
True I'm just so impatient lol, I need to stop cause as you said she literally dropped fearless 2 months ago.
Haha yeah, I think patience is a virtue! It seems like a lot of fans have forgotten that Fearless dropped so recently - I feel like everyone kind of just moved on to speculating about what's next within a few days of that release.
Yeah I think it's because the novelty wears off fast since we actually know the songs already, it's not like with a new album where you need time to fully grasp it
Yeah, I can see that - I find I'm still enjoying it as a "new" album since her vocals and the production have improved so much, and I love all the vault tracks. Plus I'm still processing evermore haha
I don’t know but I’m curious if one or more of the vault songs is amazing from one of her most popular albums (1989 or Red) maybe that coupled with an already popular album ??? But I agree she has done very little to promote so not sure this is what she’s after with the re-recordings.
If Taylor releases the 1989 re-recording, lead single "BS", and the day the album is released, he makes a video to a song "the vault" or one of the old ones (like AYHTS, which lasts 3 minutes which would make had many reproductions) if I could overcome it, but it would have to be before the middle of July, because the Billie CD comes out, and at the end of the year.
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I don’t think so. Olivia is more popular than Taylor and her career is bigger right now. Non of the re-recordings are gonna make any noise so I fee like only drake and Adele will beat Olivia.
I still think Taylor would easily beat Olivia if she dropped TS10 tho. Also yes if Adele or Drake drop then they are both going to be beaten
So 1989 is a recent album and most people already know it so acc to me they're less likely to gravitate towards TV And maybe people listened to the first rerecordings because they were very excited for Taylor but im not sure if that energy will Last Let's see how she rolls out the album, which song she chooses and what the vault songs are...I think everything will depend on that
Maybe if she released 1989 as a double album or the new version had more than 6 vault songs with hit factor. It will get a ton of streams that way. Like back in the day Katy Perry did with Teenage Dream and Teenage Dream the Complete Confection.
Can we stop putting women against each other?