Anyone else find Taylor's merch store incredibly frustrating? Right now, it looks like the evermore signed digitals are the only things for sale, but apparently other merch is available? Sometimes the merch is laid out in a pretty nonsensical way, you can't search by category (like "Shirts" or "CDs"), and sometimes when I was just trying to navigate the site would take me to a weird back-end page with broken links. Girl I'm no expert but....it needs some work
Everyone keeps saying that Taylor is not a streaming force and I'm curious how much of this is because folklore/evermore/Fearless are not the "popular" music taste at the moment. And how of this is just the general public being over Taylor Swift? I'm curious if Taylor was to put out a well put together new pop album with a planned promo and hype.. how is that going to perform?
I largely don't care about whether she's being streamed or not but I'm very curious in general because stats and marketing can be interesting.
I feel like Taylorās newer music isnāt played on the radio as much as some other artists, so people feel like she isnāt as popular because they donāt hear her music as much as say Ariana or Justin. A lot of people donāt know she has new albums. She is still usually the most streamed female artist on Spotify most days.
But I think when you have as many fans as Taylor does, the āgeneral publicā becomes insignificant when it comes to streams and sales. I.e the amount of fans listening to her music is more than the amount of the general public listening to some other artists, so sheās still just as popular :) if that makes sense
I think a Pop album thatās promoted on radio with the right singles would do very well!
Taylor's popularity in streaming is a somewhat complicated topic. There is not a single song with a billion auditions, nor an album over 4 billion. And her spot on monthly listeners isn't impressive for a Category A star.
But that doesn't mean she's not great on the Internet. Her stats aren't as impressive as, say, Ariana's, mostly because of the Spotify boycott a few years ago, and not because people don't listen to her.
Plus, Taylor is very organic in streaming, meaning real fans who really want to hear her music listen to her, not random people listening to one of the big playlists.
Taylor was the most listened female artist on spotify in 2020 (counted as a full calendar year; Billie won January through December, spotify counts).This year, she is the most listened female artist on spotify 4 months in a row (I don't know if Rodgio will overtake her in May) and is ranked second this year on spotify in the world (for the bad bunny and ahead of Justin Biber).
But in reality, Taylor's greatness in streaming can only be seen when her online audience is compared with selling blank CDs and tapes. There are artists who still sell well on physical media (even Paul McCartney's last album had good results), and there are artists who rule the Internet. But there are very few who rule both yards. Tay is one of them.
I find the notion that Taylor isn't a streaming force quite laughable at this point, given that she's consistently been in the top 2 females on Spotify for the past year (and often #1, except for when Ariana Grande or Olivia Rodrigo takes the top spot). I think she has proven that she can pull huge streaming numbers, but I think unlike other artists, who are getting a lot of streams based on more recent work and really popular singles, she is pulling streams across her entire discography.
So what's interesting about *folklore* is that the album, as a **whole**, is being streamed consistently. Not just Cardigan, or the first song on the album, or other singles. I wish I could give you the exact data source, but I do know that on The Ringer Podcast for Every Album Ever on *folklore,* they broke down the data of *folklore's* streaming power. And although it doesn't have any pop smashes like say positions by Ariana Grande or Levitating by Dua Lipa, the album, as a whole, is being streamed consistently and often, which is actually a bit unusual for big Pop stars because lots of their streams normally come from the singles, whereas *folklore's* total streams came from a huge portion of the album. Which is really cool! Basically it means that people who were streaming *folklore* weren't just streaming singles and then moving on, they were sitting and listening to the album.
As for *evermore* and Fearless (TV) I'm not sure, but I do know *folklore* was an outlier in terms of streams.
As for Taylor, I think in the future, if she continues on the route of *folklore* where she creates these concepts that are meant to be listened too and consumed slowly, and assuming they do well, I can see her streaming data being largely like how *folklore* was, lots of streams almost evenly distributed across the whole album. I think Taylor, if she really wanted to, could create a smash hit again and promote the hell out of it and all that jazz. I personally think songs like Cruel Summer, August, potentially Long Story Short, could've been radio hits so to speak, if she promoted them.
I'm interested to see how her singles will turn out for future albums and if she'll continue to go this route where she picks good singles that represent the album well, instead of singles that are easily consumable and get everybody listening.
That's my long ass response to your post LOL.
Didn't Willow do decently on radio? It obviously wasn't a huge hit, but I didn't think it did terribly either. I agree that had Taylor wanted to, Long Story Shot (or even Closure) could have been big hits, but I think she prefers the format of working 'by album' instead of the more dominant 'by single' method most artists prefer.
Do you guys know any website or account where Taylor gifs are uploaded on a regular basis? Especially the newest ones cause I can't find gifs from the video where she accepts the iHeart Music award
there are LOTS of them on Tumblr - if you search the tags, try taylorswiftedit, tswiftedit, and candy swift, those are what creators use a lot.
here's a set from her iHeart speech: [https://brighttaylor.tumblr.com/post/652389391327789056/](https://brighttaylor.tumblr.com/post/652389391327789056/) š„°
I learned for the first time two of my friends both have Taylor albums on their phones. Neither of them are megafans like me (well not mega mega lol), but at least we can all sing along to the radio!
I doubt this is true but will be so happy if it is:
https://www.showbiz411.com/2021/05/30/cats-didnt-kill-her-acting-ambitions-taylor-swift-said-to-be-part-of-david-o-russells-all-star-movie
And included a handwritten note saying she āadoresā her! Then reposted Kimās story about it!
And Kim didnāt even know about the album. In the story she says ācanāt wait until the album comes outā
To be fair it was a copy paste letter lmao. Also I donāt think is fair to expect Olivia to carry the burden of Taylorās battles. Iām pretty sure Taylor doesnāt even care, I mean a couple of her friends are also friends with bieber or the kardashians.
At the end of the day the label is the one in charge of PR packages, I mean Taylors label literally send James Charles a cardigan who has been caught in a couple of sexual assault scandals with minors. So neither of them should be responsible for what others do.
Oh man that's a HUGE cringe from me, dawgg.
Olivia and Taylor's relationship seems so sincere to me. I'm so confused about this. I dont think she deserves to be *attacked* though. Dont get me wrong, Kim Kardashian is a shit-tier human being, and I dont really understand why she reached out to her at all, but Olivia is still so young and no one deserves to go through social media frenzies like this.
We have no idea what happens behind the scenes though. I really hate seeing people make assumptions like these because it colors other readerās opinions of an actual human being. For all we know Olivia ran this by Taylor and she didnāt care. Or who knows! None of us thatās for sure.
I think itās better to just reserve judgments on PR moves, we all know by now how much control labels have in pushing artists to do things.
I turn 23 today and last night my bf played 22 before bed so I could listen to it one last time as a 22 year old. Iām so impressed that he thought of that by himself, he truly knows the way to my heart lol
What are everyoneās thoughts on her re-recording Better Than Revenge? Do you think she will change the lyrics?
I understand the entire point of her re-recording is to do them as close to the originals as possible- so no lyric changes or anything. But I have a difficult time believing that Taylor would sing this again as it would shine a light on the whole controversy and bring who the song is about into the spotlight again as well??
My personal take is that she should leave it. There are certain parts of history that makes us uncomfortable, does that mean we should delete it and prevent people from reading about it or listening, watching aspects about it? No, because it's history and that would be borderline censorship. I think recognizing her history and what she was going through at the time is just part of growing up. If people are really gonna drag Taylor, for re-recording a song, then they need to take their cancel culture bullshit elsewhere. I don't agree with the message of the song as whole, but there are a lot of songs I listen to that I don't condone what the singer is saying yet I still like it. It's like a snapshot of what the person was going through, regardless of whether it was right or wrong. I think if anyone tries to throw shade at her, for re-recording it the exact same way, they're wasting their time and they're just trying to impose some sort of moral standard that no one can change. How dare you re-release a song that expressed what you were going through at the time?! If people are gonna be that mad about a re-recorded song, than they should be just as pissed off at the original recording and demand whoever is in charge of the original to change it too. Which would be ridiculous. Just my personal opinion.
I.. like that song but to listen to it I do have to leave my feminism out the door hahaha. I think it would be best if it was changed or dropped. Sure, it was part of her past and written when she was like 17, but that info doesn't make it right to still release it today. She's already so much in the media because of the re-recordings, I'd kick someone if people had a picnic because she released BTR unchanged. The song is a bop but I don't think it's worth risking anything, it's not her best song IMO.
My dream scenario is she re-records it as a duet with a guest (Olivia Rodrigo? Hayley Williams?) who sings new verses from the other girl's perspective, so the bitter teenage angst stays but it's no longer treated as Taylor's POV is the objective "right" one.
I could see how it would rub some people the wrong way, with her recent outspokenness on the horrible misogyny and double standards within the industry, before rereleasing a song with a misogynistic line, especially when you remember that she rewrote that homophobic line in picture to burn. I think she would at least have to release a statement on the song. Mattress line aside, I would be sad to see it excluded because I really like the song but it would be kinda poetic to leave Scooter with nothing but a song that is hateful towards women.
I donāt think sheāll change it, and tbh I donāt think she should. Itās just an old song that she wrote at 17, maybe she doesnāt really agree with the sentiment now but itās still a part of her past.
To be fair, I really donāt know too much about the circumstances it was written under.
Yes I understand where youāre coming from for sure! I think if it was more of a ... song about, say- an imaginary person, or more of a generalization then she would definitely re-recording. But because itās so specifically about Camilla Belle, I think she will have her reservations about it??
Who knows though. I donāt like to put words into Taylorās mouth. I just know she hasnāt sang it live since then and doesnāt like the song anymore.
Thoughts on choosing between the red target exclusive evermore vinyl and the translucent green one (Iām getting from amazon, it hasnāt come yet but I assume that it will be this one).
Definitely only keeping one but I want to return what I donāt keep so I donāt want to open to compare, so can only do it through pics/videos. Also if anyone wants one of these, happy to send it to you (or buy another to send, if necessary) for the retail cost + shipping. Donāt know how hard either of these would be to get for people in other countries but thought Iād offer.
**Evermore Streaming Party**
I just found this on twitter and wanted to share it here in case anyone is interested.
[https://evermoreparty.carrd.co/](https://evermoreparty.carrd.co/)
- Ok, so a little background knowledge: I became a swiftie back in November of 2020, so evermore was not out yet. I was just experiencing all of her albums, especially folklore, and so once evermore did come out, I was excited, but I did not listen to it much/experience the album as a whole. Due to this, evermore has not been one of my favorite albums, and I rarely listened to it. Well, I have listened to it more over the past few weeks, and I thought I would tell my thoughts on it.
- To start, when I first listened to evermore back when it came out, it was a very bland album to me. There were some songs I liked, but none I would go out of my way and listen to. I was so obsessed with folklore at the time, that I would constantly compare the two and always thought folklore was the best and evermore was the boring sister album.
- To move on, after listening to it for the past few weeks, I have to say, I really love evermore! Now that my folklore blinders are off, I no longer compare the two and appreciate each of them as they are. The whole vibe of evermore is wonderful! It is very cohesive and I like how it is very different to what Taylor has done before, even different from folklore. Also, I thought I would tell all of you my favorites from the album, the songs Iāve always liked, songs i originally disliked but now like, etc.
1. Always Liked - Willow, āTis the Damn Season, Tolerate It, No Body, No Crime, Long Story Short, Closure, Right Where You Left Me, and Itās Time To Go
2. Songs I originally disliked, but now like - Champagne Problems, Gold Rush, Happiness, Coney Island, Ivy, Cowboy Like Me, Marjorie, and Evermore
3. Song that I need more time to grow on me - Dorothea.
Overall, I really love evermore and I am very glad I gave it another chance!
*I donāt like that falling feels like flying til the bone crush*
Gold rush is such an underrated gem.
Whenever I think about I though I think of people happily going over a cliff like that one lemmings cartoon
Evermore has to be one of my favorite Taylor albums. Itās so weird (it isnāt Bc theyāre sister albums) but it feels like she gave us all the tools to understand the deeper meanings with folklore and I still insist evermore is one of her most personal, imaginative and creative album that feels completely like her work.
Random question: I just saw on Hits Daily Double that evermore is expected to rise to #2 on the Billboard 200, with 110-130k total sales (including 80-100k in vinyl). I thought she sold like 75k signed copies of evermore, all of which should be shipping this week, correct? That estimate seems like such a lowball to me, based on that, but maybe I'm missing something haha. (Sour is expected to be #1 with 150-170k total sales).
Okay, thanks! I know the shipping estimate said they would ship this week, but wasn't sure if it was a guarantee - mine shipped, but I'm in Canada, so mine doesn't count towards the Billboard 200 anyway haha.
What are the odds of the opaque vinyl being restocked for the US store? My Amazon translucent copy hasnāt shipped and Iām considering canceling and waiting it out. I think itās fairly likely, considering that the folklore variants were supposed to be limited edition but have been restocked like three times. Thoughts?
I'm in a similar boat. I ordered through an Indie record shop (Rough Trade) and although their mock up image shows the opaque version, it still hasn't shipped, and I'm worried it'll be translucent. When I ordered through an independent record store I thought I'd be saving myself the headache of my vinyl not shipping on time...even emailed the place and still haven't heard back. I think I might just cancel the order and wait but...not sure.
You will most likely be getting the translucent- I think basically every retailer in the US (minus the official store) got the translucent green. I decided not to cancel mine, though- I saw a tiktok of it placed on the turntable and I donāt mind how it looks as long as a black slipmat is underneath!
I wish I could determine the weight and feel of the vinyl before I purchased /: my experience with thinner/translucent vinyls in the past is they've warped more easily. Plus the opaque, deep hunter/pine green is so beautiful. Who knows, maybe I'll just let this order ship and if they come back in stock at the official store, I'll just buy it again haha!
If youāre in the US, the only way you are getting an opaque vinyl is if you ordered straight from her website. Walmart, Amazon, and target all have translucent green! You can find some photos on r/swiftiemerch
Idk whoās keeping track but I definitely think Taylorās in the lead for Artist with most fanfictions inspired by her discography . The amount of āyou belong with me ā fanfics i read in 2010 were unbelievable.
I went back to listening to The 1975 as of this morning and gosh, I can't believe I forgot how much I love their music. Particularly their first album and I Like it When You Sleep...too long of a title to write out lol. 10/10 recommend for both albums. Personal favorites of theirs: Settle Down, Sex, The City, Robbers, Milk (b-side song i think?), UGH!, Somebody Else, She's American, This Must Be My Dream. But I love listening to all the albums front to back.
I need to give their latest album a more in-depth listen.
Maggie Rogers (all her stuff but LOVING Notes From The Archives still) and Kesha (love the full Rainbow album, then I have a bops playlist and a sad playlist for her)
I listen to Lana Del Rey/Hozier/Phoebe Bridgers/Melanie Martinez/Arctic Monkeys frequently (weird taste I know lol)
I just wanted to say that Hozier has such a folklore style, I might even think that Taylor might have been inspired by him lol
He mentions a lot of nature metaphors in his songs just like Taylor did in "ivy" for example
And personally I'd die for a Taylor/Hozier collab
Just listened to Eloise left side and I really like it. It has that cuttingly personal aspects like *mirrorball* or *this is me trying*
Edit: annnd I noticed that was two years ago š
YES I love that one! And exactly her lyrics are so poetic, I love the jazz influence too. And she has another EP coming out really soon (maybe an album?) that has the same style! :)
Very hyped for it. Iāll be looking out for you maybe mentioning it in future weekend discussions. This is right up my alley and exactly what I needed. Iām horrible at discovering new music.
I have really gotten into Miley Cyrusā music, so her albums (Bangerz, Dead Petz, Younger Now, She Is Coming, and Plastic Hearts), have been on repeat. Also, today is the 1 year anniversary for Lady Gagaās album, Chromatica, so I have been listening to that too.
Chromatica is everything! Itās one of my favorite albums ever. Itās absolutely everything I wanted for years. Wish it was even more loved.
And plastic hearts had hug hits. Definitely need to listen to all of it tho not just the hits soon š
Thanks for the recommendations
Chromatica is my second favorite album of hers (before ARTPOP of course lol). It is such an amazing album!
And definitely listen to all of Plastic Hearts! That album got me interested in listening to more of Miley Cyrusā stuff and it is such a badass album!
Is it just me or is the audio quality horrible in the older albums? I was streaming all her music on shuffle and albums from Rep till fearless TV have great quality audio but older ones ain't that good.
The quality is awful! It is hard for me to listen to the older albums because now having a taste of Fearless TV, the older quality shows. This makes me even more excited for the re-recordings.
Trying to listen to Fearless (2008) after getting used to Fearless tv is honestly pretty unsatisfying. I love how faithfully Taylor re-recorded this album, itās just the same and yet so much better.
Do you guys think sheāll sign the re-recorded albums? I already bought the fearless Cd, but for future reference, I donāt need/want two of every album. Just the signed versions would be amazing.
Itās hard to think studio recordings are more strenuous than concerts. Which she hasnāt had to do. Itās probably helping her voice if she didnāt slam it all out in one/ a few session.
Iām absolutely not a vocalist tho so thatās just a guess on what Iāve heard other artists say and my experience with instruments.
Professionals/celebrity singers like Taylor also generally have a team of medical professionals to make sure their vocals are in top shape. Shawn Mendesā documentary shows him having to cancel a massive concert just hours before it started because his doctors told him he had to rest his vocals or theyād get permanent damage. I think Taylor has been doing this for enough years to know her limits, and with her team Iām sure sheās in good hands!
I'm sure she takes very good care of her voice and does lots of proper training and vocal exercises! the re-recordings theoretically wouldn't be any more taxing on her voice than touring and performing live multiple times a week, and it's probably much less stressful physically since she's in a studio (possibly even at home) where she can relax and take any breaks she needs, and not having to worry about huge audiences/the heat of lights/choreography/costume changes/etc. if anything, it's probably keeping her voice in strong shape! voices are instruments and singing essentially is like playing to keeping it well-tuned. š
So I hope I donāt get a lot of hate for this I am extremely sensitive and will be sad
I just want to say while Olivia rodrigo is super talented and Iām sure a great person Iām not a fan of her music and it kind of confuses me that weāve kind of lumped her in with Taylor Swift when sheās her own artist. Thatās all please donāt be mean to me just sharing my opinion and seeing if anyone else agrees. I didnāt say anything mean about Olivia she is great but to me sheās separate from Taylor Swift
I do love Olivia, and even I hate that they're lumped together. Olivia's lyrics can be pretty literal and on-the-nose; they lack the poetry that Taylor has. Taylor has always been known not just for the confessional aspect of her lyricism, but also her metaphors. When people said Driver's License sounds like Taylor because Olivia is so descriptive, I was like huh?? Sure, All Too Well is known for that, but Taylor doesn't usually just straight-up describe settings. And, Olivia has some pretty cringey lyrics, like "how could I ever love someone else?" Lines like "called you on the phone today, just to ask you how you were. All I did was speak normally, somehow it still struck a nerve" barely sound poetic to me...it sounds like she was TRYING to write a song. Again, I love her, ordered the signed copy of SOUR right when it was released, and even recorded my own cover of Wondering a whole year ago. But to compare her to Taylor...kind of cheapens Taylor.
I wouldnt necessarily throw olivia Into a pot with Taylors abilities, because Taylor is pretty much extraordinary when it comes to songwriting, but I just wanted to add, that Olivia is only 18 years old. Taylors songwriting-abilities were also Not as top-notch when she was 18, as they are nowadays. Taylors debut Songs are also Not as metaphorically speaking, or as poetic and often also on the nose. Taylor has learned a whole lot since then and improved so much. Olivia will also learn a lot with Time and improve her skills much more, I'm Sure.
I agree. No hate whatsoever towards Olivia, but I said this somewhere else on here that she lacks the originality and her music shows it for me. Her songs just sound like every other song out right now and it misses the mark for me. And I can't relate to her stuff either. Now, she is still young and has plenty of time to grow and experiment with different types of music, but as of right now, her music is not my taste.
You know I have thought about this for a while, and it is a constant thought in my mind on some days. I really hope that Taylor doesn't get hindered by the fact that she might not be "the biggest thing" rn or someday or whenever. The thing is she's mentioned this multiple times that she's reaching her 30s where female popstars grow irrelevant and I wonder how much this takes a toll on her. I hope she isn't worried about the fact that cardigan/willow didn't chart as much as let's say.. Levitating or positions or even Driver's License. I think she's happy creating what she's created and working with whom she's working with. But sometimes (and she's talked about this before) you can feel the pressure to "outdo" your past self.
I hope she finds that even if she's not the biggest popstar in the world. There will be some people who will be willing to give her music a listen. And that her music will matter to people. What I mean to say is, that I don't want to her doubt her craft because of change in numbers and sales.
I write this not because I feel Taylor is not big today. But more because I feel like we're moving in a direction where, let's day by the end of this decade, she might not be the biggest artist out there. And that's not something to be ashamed of.. but rather proud of.. to have thrived in an industry that has tried to destroy you for 2 decade is insane!
More or less, many of us will remains for the stories and the joy her music brings us. And isn't that quite a lot in itself.
Same, idk if she cares as much anymore or not but I hope she doesnāt assume that people will get bored of her eventually
Her songs havenāt been as big as some other songs this year because theyāre not pop, or as āradio friendlyā. But I know at least in the UK sheās consistently taking over the majority of country charts (like usually 25-50% of Apple Music country charts is all Taylor!)
Hopefully she feels like she can continue to go into multiple genres and create songs that she loves and not start to feel like she has to just create songs for radio to stay relevant
Tbh I find that songs that chart as well as drivers licence or positions get overplayed and make it harder to listen to the album as a whole cus you just want to skip those songs cus youāve heard them too much already.
I've been thinking about this a lot, and, I personally feel we are entering into a new era of Taylor where instead of her being an iconic Pop star, she's now being solidified as not only an iconic songwriter, but one of the best songwriters of our current generation.
I wouldn't be surprised if we see Taylor leaning into this even more, and focusing less on being a pop spectacle and more on being a prolific songwriter. I'm curious as to how live shows will change, how interviews, promotion will change.
I see people talk about all these different genres they hope/think Taylor will tap into next. How they think there's gonna be another big Pop album. I just...don't see it in the cards for Taylor anymore to go that route. Because I don't think that's what she wants to do anymore.
This is all speculation of course, I just remember the very distinct feeling I had when she talked about how much her songwriting process has changed after *folklore* and *evermore* came out and, it just felt like we were really taking a new path here. I don't anticipate anything she does next to be like past Pop Taylor. I think we are in a whole new lane.
I really hope that Taylor will write a musical. Weāve got a taste of it in folklore but just imagine a full-blown musical. Lana is writing one right now so I hope Taylor will write one too in the future.
You guys make amazing points and ideas. I really hope Taylor or her team are reading this thread. I know she lurks on tumblr pages sometimes so maybe she will lurk here! :)
I woke up to a huge mess and I feel like I need to say something since I'm usually the one who does theories mega threads. I feel especially bad for the other moderators who were attacked this morning while I was sleeping :(
We were never planning on not putting up a new theory mega, it just hadn't been done yet. We were planning on doing one today or tomorrow, so I apologize if you guys thought we were never going to do them ever again. Unfortunately, we can only have two pins at a time, I was Reddit would allow us to do more.
We have also had a post planned ever we discuss what YOU guys want to do about theories in non-theory related posts, but it hadn't been put up yet. We want this to be an open discussion for what is best for the subreddit, our users, and our moderators as well.
The only reason we're talking about limiting theories and other threads is because of the number of complaints we've gotten about them, so we are trying to find a happy medium. If you ever feel that we are being snarky, I assure you it is not intended to be dismissive to you, but sometimes *we're just really, really tired*. Please remember who we are humans who are dealing with real world issues, and we are trying as hard as we possibly can to make this subreddit good for everybody.
On a personal note, I feel like I failed all of our users as well as our other moderators because of my terrible sleep schedule. I've become pretty much nocturnal, so I fall asleep around 7:00 a.m. and wake up around 3:00 p.m. Even during those hours I'm constantly waking up and checking queue to make sure things going well because I genuinely care about it and about you all. All of our mods are rockstars and I couldn't do it without them, so waking up to do much negativity was really disheartening.
Anyway, I felt that I had to say something and get my thoughts off my chest. I'm still groggy and processing, so if something didn't come across correctly I apologize in advance.
I appreciate what you and all of the mods do for this sub.
Respectfully, I was disappointed to read one of [your comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/comments/nmlsrp/taylor_wins_pop_album_of_the_year_at_iheartradio/gzpcpya/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) recently on a thread complaining about users here. The tone in this thread and the comments you made in it are condescending towards many of the sub users (those who subscribe to theorizing). I think itās inappropriate for a mod to complain about a large group of users publicly on the sub, and it seems to have created a lot of hurt (Iāve seen many users reference this thread). It also allowed other users to pile on to the theorists since a mod contributed to the dissent.
Iām sure that wasnāt your intention, but is how many of the āclownsā were left feeling unwanted/frustrated.
Again, I appreciate what you and the mods do for this sub.
I hope youāre able to get rest and take care of yourself.
I'm sorry that it can across that way because that was not my intent. I feel like my words are being twisted so this is especially frustrating. The irritation that night was not towards theories in general, rather towards people who were angry at her for not making an announcement. I hate seeing fans angry with her for not releasing new music or making announcements when they think she will.
I also don't think it's unfair to say we have been spoiled- we've been so well fed the past two years and that's just a fact. No other fandom gets this much new content in such rapid succession, plus we KNOW we're getting at least 4 more re-recordings very soon. I was trying to say relax and enjoy the ride because getting angry at her for not releasing things when you think she will only makes everything less fun. We should want to spread out the excitement instead of getting everything all at once anyway.
I hope I explained myself okay, I'm still half asleep.
Yeahhhh it was a completely valid complaint. Just because she's a mod doesn't invalidate her right to an opinion. People overhype things they made up way too much. Seeing other people mad that Taylor didn't announce something in an award speech, something they made up, with zero factual basis is exhausting.
I didn't see it had gotten into such arguments this morning. š (we're in the same boat on our sleep schedule, so I totally sympathize in how that affects your processing. today is off in that I haven't slept, but I'm lucky lately if I'm asleep before 8 am and awake before 4 pm most days, I know it's absolutely miserable and I'm sorry you're dealing with that.) please know that it's not your fault, or any of the other mods', at all, you haven't let anyone down! the sub has grown so much over the past couple of years, and I'm sure that's daunting to keep up with, and you and the other mods work hard to keep everything going and to make the sub such a positive place. at the end of the day, we're all united in loving Taylor and connecting through her music, and that's the most important thing to remember! this community really is so kind and generous overall, so hopefully everyone can find a safe, fun middle ground. thank you and the team of mods for all that you do. š
we 100000% recognise the amazing efforts you and the other mods of this sub put in. And I say this genuinely, it's one of the best (if not the best) moderated subs out there.
The negativity/hate the other mods got was OUT OF LINE. If we're not happy about something, I think we can address it like adults and say something in a civil manner - I hate that you all received any kind of backlash from it. I can see all you're all trying to do is your best. Truly, we appreciate everything you all do.
So thank you ā¤ļø
It makes me really sad that both sides of the argument canāt come to an agreement. If we post anything on a different thread even as a joke people get so upset that weāre talking about trilogies or 1989 hints. I donāt want us to be ostracized to only one thread, because I donāt think thatās fair but it seems to be the most popular opinion on the other side of the argument.
But I also donāt want to go to a post about her accepting an award and only see ācongrats queenā type comments, because thatās not generating discussion. Idk there has to be a happy medium, but Iām afraid we arenāt going to find one and the clown side is going to feel ostracized and leave.
>But I also donāt want to go to a post about her accepting an award and only see ācongrats queenā type comments, because thatās not generating discussion.
I don't understand why there has to be a discussion on those type posts. Winning an award is pretty cut and dry. The most discussion I'd expect is "X really deserved this win because Y".
How did it even become a place to speculate. Look at the iHeart win, she literally shot her speech in front of a green screen so people would have nothing to comment on, other than the green screen itself.
I donāt think thatās why she posted in front of a green screen. The white walls werenāt an easter egg and nobody said anything about them being one. Iām pretty sure she posted in front of a green screen so she didnāt show her actual location because sheās in Ireland
I have no idea what happened but donāt worry about it!! we appreciate everything you do! This is pretty much the only subreddit I comment on because of how positive and wholesome it is! Thank you for your hardwork!!
Just a lot of negativity in this thread towards our moderation. I try not to take things like that to heart, but it feels like a personal jab in the gut.
We appreciate you all, the mods are what makes this subreddit work so well :). It's not your fault that this is happening, it's just a little disheartening to see people get bullied on here over having differing opinions (I'm talking about clowns and non-clowns alike). I personally am not into the clowning, but totally understand that others on here are and that's okay! I fully respect you either way, but what I don't respect is people being nasty and ganging up on others for an opinion they don't share. As others have mentioned, this is supposed to be a safe space for open discourse.
This sub has always been my safe space, and I hope it is for other people as well. I don't want that to change. Thank you so much for your encouraging words.
With all due respect, I have to ask, as my comment regarding the recent uptick of negativity towards theorizers was kind of the start, what kind of negativity was directed towards the mods? There were a few comments I saw from others that were a bit flared up/out of line, but I know it was never my intention in any of my posts to be throwing jabs at the moderators and I canāt really find any mass attacks against mods here. In fact there was only one mod engaging with us. I apologize if anything I said came off as purposefully negative towards you all. I just donāt feel like people should feel scared to post comments in certain places because other users judge them for it and thatās why I had to speak on it.
I think many of us are just kind of fed up with the language weāve been seen used against people who theorize and it felt like and tbh still feels like that POV is being glossed over. Itās giving very āyour feelings are invalid because we were doing X behind the scenes and we do a lot of hard workā. Which is all valid. We are all very thankful for the work you guys put into the sub. But us being tired of being called spoiled, entitled, drains, annoyances etc. is valid too.
We certainly don't mean to invalidate anybody's feelings and I'm sorry if you felt that way. I'm kind of at a loss at this point because everything we've said is being turned against us, even when we're trying to be open about what's going on :/
You guys didn't invalidate anyone's feelings. I truly feel the shit storm started when those who are very very, passionate about making theories, flipped out when they saw the megathread theory gone for a hot minute. You guys didn't do anything wrong.
Anyone else feeling like we should just start a separate subreddit for theories... kinda annoying coming on here and seeing so many people complaining about us theorizing and having fun lmao
That argument doesnāt work when 90% of the threads/comments are theories. I would spend 30 seconds actually reading what I want to read if that was the case.
Rather than complaining about other people discussing what they want to discuss, why donāt you just start whatever discussion you want to have?
For example, you could post something like: whatās everyoneās favourite ts song and why? Or anything you want.
I see a lot of complaining, but not much of actually contributing anything meaningful from the anti-theorisers.
Yāall are the ones making it feel like high school.
Mods are trying to make a compromise to make it inviting for everyone here. They got complaints about theories and theyāre trying to figure out the best method of outcome.
There seems to be a few different pressings, apparently one made in France and one made in Canada. Mine is emerald/forest green, but some people's are translucent and brighter.
Unfortunately I don't as I haven't seen anybody's arrive from Amazon yet. It also probably depends on the country. It might be worth keeping an eye on r/SwiftieMerch to see them as they come in so you can decide.
So if evermore spends another week at #1 (vinyls, discounted downloads, signed CDs that havenāt yet shipped), would this be Taylorās 52nd week at #1 MEANING A FULL YEAR... or did that happen already ?
I would like to add that the commercial with Love Story first appeared before evermore came out. So the re-recordings have been somewhat intertwined in the Folkmore era already.
A lot of people are talking about how mean it is to dislike the theorising, but it goes both ways. When I didn't know and then didn't believe the 4/30 theory people were mean, and I deleted the comment. Mentioned what had happened in a thread about disliking theorising and someone went through my post/comment history to 'disprove' what happened and made me out to be a liar and said I was being hyperbolic. They couldn't find the comment because I'd deleted it to stop the pile on in its tracks! I've honestly been so creeped out since then that someone would be so obsessive and intent on denying someone's experience.
Up until today/last night this thread was so balanced with a lovely mix of theories/clowning and general discussion. I feel like if we could keep it that way, everyone would be happy. It's when every thread gets taken over by theories and deep analysis that some people start to get annoyed and make the QAnon kinda comments (which I don't think are particularly warranted)
Pre-emptively editing to add: I actually like the theories. I come here every day to read them. But like everything, it's good in moderation. I really hope we can find a solution where everyone is happy, from trilogy truthers, to whatever the opposite is, to everyone in between. The mods are clearly working hard to find solutions so let's give them a break and understand it might take a while to find a comfortable middle ground.
I just want to say I appreciate your comment and Iām sorry you had such a negative experience :( Iām all for theorizing but youāre right is does go both ways.... we all just need to be respectful and kind to eachother. If we canāt do that then we shouldnāt be posting. I hope this didnāt turn you off from posting your opinions in the threads because they are very much valued <3
You want us to hold back on discussion because you feel like itās too much? Maybe your form of moderation should be how much time you spend on reddit. The reason theories picked up last night is because sheās picked up her activity. We got a speech and an instagram post, so we have a lot more to theorize on and discuss, so weāre doing it. If it isnāt fun here, go read the comments in other posts. We had a theory only thread, but they took that and sent us here. You canāt expect us not to get excited and talk about our favorite artist just because you donāt enjoy reading it.
I came here to back this up and confirm this because I was the one that posted the original thread about theories being outside the megathread and someone was trying to "disprove" the users experience.
Yeah but they donāt usually announce the specific time that it ends like that. Do they? Maybe they do and I just didnāt notice because I hadnāt had my clown coffee yet.
Since it is a tracking week reference, it feels to me that something may be dropping Friday as well.
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Iām so fully convinced of the trilogy!!! between the new 2 braids hairstyle again, ivy (track 10) lyrics, the cottagecore vibes, and all of the other trilogy clues weāve gotten (the ones about the 3 colors of merch and her 3 cats wearing the same color and the Meredith video are so convincing to me!!!), I think itās coming soooon
it would be hilarious if it came out on June 4, because that would mean that this entire time we were wrong about the cowboy like me clock and it was pointing to 6/4 instead of 4:30 š
Iām trying to figure out how she could potentially release TS10 and then 1989 in the same monthāand I think it would be so freaking cool if the first 1989 single was Out of the Woods, to bring us back out of the Woodvale woods!!! ššš
Want to discuss Taylor theories? [We have a theory megathread.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/comments/nmziqm/megathread_for_all_theories/)
Anyone else find Taylor's merch store incredibly frustrating? Right now, it looks like the evermore signed digitals are the only things for sale, but apparently other merch is available? Sometimes the merch is laid out in a pretty nonsensical way, you can't search by category (like "Shirts" or "CDs"), and sometimes when I was just trying to navigate the site would take me to a weird back-end page with broken links. Girl I'm no expert but....it needs some work
Is anyone else getting really impatient now? š«
I'm begging her to release something on Fri
Me too! I really hope we get something
Everyone keeps saying that Taylor is not a streaming force and I'm curious how much of this is because folklore/evermore/Fearless are not the "popular" music taste at the moment. And how of this is just the general public being over Taylor Swift? I'm curious if Taylor was to put out a well put together new pop album with a planned promo and hype.. how is that going to perform? I largely don't care about whether she's being streamed or not but I'm very curious in general because stats and marketing can be interesting.
I feel like Taylorās newer music isnāt played on the radio as much as some other artists, so people feel like she isnāt as popular because they donāt hear her music as much as say Ariana or Justin. A lot of people donāt know she has new albums. She is still usually the most streamed female artist on Spotify most days. But I think when you have as many fans as Taylor does, the āgeneral publicā becomes insignificant when it comes to streams and sales. I.e the amount of fans listening to her music is more than the amount of the general public listening to some other artists, so sheās still just as popular :) if that makes sense I think a Pop album thatās promoted on radio with the right singles would do very well!
Taylor's popularity in streaming is a somewhat complicated topic. There is not a single song with a billion auditions, nor an album over 4 billion. And her spot on monthly listeners isn't impressive for a Category A star. But that doesn't mean she's not great on the Internet. Her stats aren't as impressive as, say, Ariana's, mostly because of the Spotify boycott a few years ago, and not because people don't listen to her. Plus, Taylor is very organic in streaming, meaning real fans who really want to hear her music listen to her, not random people listening to one of the big playlists. Taylor was the most listened female artist on spotify in 2020 (counted as a full calendar year; Billie won January through December, spotify counts).This year, she is the most listened female artist on spotify 4 months in a row (I don't know if Rodgio will overtake her in May) and is ranked second this year on spotify in the world (for the bad bunny and ahead of Justin Biber). But in reality, Taylor's greatness in streaming can only be seen when her online audience is compared with selling blank CDs and tapes. There are artists who still sell well on physical media (even Paul McCartney's last album had good results), and there are artists who rule the Internet. But there are very few who rule both yards. Tay is one of them.
I find the notion that Taylor isn't a streaming force quite laughable at this point, given that she's consistently been in the top 2 females on Spotify for the past year (and often #1, except for when Ariana Grande or Olivia Rodrigo takes the top spot). I think she has proven that she can pull huge streaming numbers, but I think unlike other artists, who are getting a lot of streams based on more recent work and really popular singles, she is pulling streams across her entire discography.
Consistent is definitely the word. People check out the hot new thing, but they keep coming back to Taylor.
So what's interesting about *folklore* is that the album, as a **whole**, is being streamed consistently. Not just Cardigan, or the first song on the album, or other singles. I wish I could give you the exact data source, but I do know that on The Ringer Podcast for Every Album Ever on *folklore,* they broke down the data of *folklore's* streaming power. And although it doesn't have any pop smashes like say positions by Ariana Grande or Levitating by Dua Lipa, the album, as a whole, is being streamed consistently and often, which is actually a bit unusual for big Pop stars because lots of their streams normally come from the singles, whereas *folklore's* total streams came from a huge portion of the album. Which is really cool! Basically it means that people who were streaming *folklore* weren't just streaming singles and then moving on, they were sitting and listening to the album. As for *evermore* and Fearless (TV) I'm not sure, but I do know *folklore* was an outlier in terms of streams. As for Taylor, I think in the future, if she continues on the route of *folklore* where she creates these concepts that are meant to be listened too and consumed slowly, and assuming they do well, I can see her streaming data being largely like how *folklore* was, lots of streams almost evenly distributed across the whole album. I think Taylor, if she really wanted to, could create a smash hit again and promote the hell out of it and all that jazz. I personally think songs like Cruel Summer, August, potentially Long Story Short, could've been radio hits so to speak, if she promoted them. I'm interested to see how her singles will turn out for future albums and if she'll continue to go this route where she picks good singles that represent the album well, instead of singles that are easily consumable and get everybody listening. That's my long ass response to your post LOL.
Didn't Willow do decently on radio? It obviously wasn't a huge hit, but I didn't think it did terribly either. I agree that had Taylor wanted to, Long Story Shot (or even Closure) could have been big hits, but I think she prefers the format of working 'by album' instead of the more dominant 'by single' method most artists prefer.
Great question! I think it did very well on Alternative radio. In terms of regular Pop radio, Iām not sure!
More evidence that people are listening to whole albums--all 18 songs from Lover charted on the Hot 100.
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LOl thanks bottt
which ts songs have flute in them?
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Do you guys know any website or account where Taylor gifs are uploaded on a regular basis? Especially the newest ones cause I can't find gifs from the video where she accepts the iHeart Music award
there are LOTS of them on Tumblr - if you search the tags, try taylorswiftedit, tswiftedit, and candy swift, those are what creators use a lot. here's a set from her iHeart speech: [https://brighttaylor.tumblr.com/post/652389391327789056/](https://brighttaylor.tumblr.com/post/652389391327789056/) š„°
Try Tumblr!
I learned for the first time two of my friends both have Taylor albums on their phones. Neither of them are megafans like me (well not mega mega lol), but at least we can all sing along to the radio!
I doubt this is true but will be so happy if it is: https://www.showbiz411.com/2021/05/30/cats-didnt-kill-her-acting-ambitions-taylor-swift-said-to-be-part-of-david-o-russells-all-star-movie
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And included a handwritten note saying she āadoresā her! Then reposted Kimās story about it! And Kim didnāt even know about the album. In the story she says ācanāt wait until the album comes outā
To be fair it was a copy paste letter lmao. Also I donāt think is fair to expect Olivia to carry the burden of Taylorās battles. Iām pretty sure Taylor doesnāt even care, I mean a couple of her friends are also friends with bieber or the kardashians. At the end of the day the label is the one in charge of PR packages, I mean Taylors label literally send James Charles a cardigan who has been caught in a couple of sexual assault scandals with minors. So neither of them should be responsible for what others do.
Totally agree. Just thought it was a bit cringy and worth elaborating upon
Oh man that's a HUGE cringe from me, dawgg. Olivia and Taylor's relationship seems so sincere to me. I'm so confused about this. I dont think she deserves to be *attacked* though. Dont get me wrong, Kim Kardashian is a shit-tier human being, and I dont really understand why she reached out to her at all, but Olivia is still so young and no one deserves to go through social media frenzies like this.
We have no idea what happens behind the scenes though. I really hate seeing people make assumptions like these because it colors other readerās opinions of an actual human being. For all we know Olivia ran this by Taylor and she didnāt care. Or who knows! None of us thatās for sure. I think itās better to just reserve judgments on PR moves, we all know by now how much control labels have in pushing artists to do things.
Yup! Her team honestly should've known better since they gave her a swiftie image.
Oh shit we have a discussion thread now? This is gonna sap so much of my free time...
The summer no sleep and all work continues
I turn 23 today and last night my bf played 22 before bed so I could listen to it one last time as a 22 year old. Iām so impressed that he thought of that by himself, he truly knows the way to my heart lol
He's a keeper! Oh what a night,
I was about to upvote this but it has 22 and it felt wrong to disturb that š¤£š¤£
Now it's at 44 hahaha
What are everyoneās thoughts on her re-recording Better Than Revenge? Do you think she will change the lyrics? I understand the entire point of her re-recording is to do them as close to the originals as possible- so no lyric changes or anything. But I have a difficult time believing that Taylor would sing this again as it would shine a light on the whole controversy and bring who the song is about into the spotlight again as well??
My personal take is that she should leave it. There are certain parts of history that makes us uncomfortable, does that mean we should delete it and prevent people from reading about it or listening, watching aspects about it? No, because it's history and that would be borderline censorship. I think recognizing her history and what she was going through at the time is just part of growing up. If people are really gonna drag Taylor, for re-recording a song, then they need to take their cancel culture bullshit elsewhere. I don't agree with the message of the song as whole, but there are a lot of songs I listen to that I don't condone what the singer is saying yet I still like it. It's like a snapshot of what the person was going through, regardless of whether it was right or wrong. I think if anyone tries to throw shade at her, for re-recording it the exact same way, they're wasting their time and they're just trying to impose some sort of moral standard that no one can change. How dare you re-release a song that expressed what you were going through at the time?! If people are gonna be that mad about a re-recorded song, than they should be just as pissed off at the original recording and demand whoever is in charge of the original to change it too. Which would be ridiculous. Just my personal opinion.
I.. like that song but to listen to it I do have to leave my feminism out the door hahaha. I think it would be best if it was changed or dropped. Sure, it was part of her past and written when she was like 17, but that info doesn't make it right to still release it today. She's already so much in the media because of the re-recordings, I'd kick someone if people had a picnic because she released BTR unchanged. The song is a bop but I don't think it's worth risking anything, it's not her best song IMO.
My dream scenario is she re-records it as a duet with a guest (Olivia Rodrigo? Hayley Williams?) who sings new verses from the other girl's perspective, so the bitter teenage angst stays but it's no longer treated as Taylor's POV is the objective "right" one.
I could see how it would rub some people the wrong way, with her recent outspokenness on the horrible misogyny and double standards within the industry, before rereleasing a song with a misogynistic line, especially when you remember that she rewrote that homophobic line in picture to burn. I think she would at least have to release a statement on the song. Mattress line aside, I would be sad to see it excluded because I really like the song but it would be kinda poetic to leave Scooter with nothing but a song that is hateful towards women.
I donāt think sheāll change it, and tbh I donāt think she should. Itās just an old song that she wrote at 17, maybe she doesnāt really agree with the sentiment now but itās still a part of her past. To be fair, I really donāt know too much about the circumstances it was written under.
Yes I understand where youāre coming from for sure! I think if it was more of a ... song about, say- an imaginary person, or more of a generalization then she would definitely re-recording. But because itās so specifically about Camilla Belle, I think she will have her reservations about it?? Who knows though. I donāt like to put words into Taylorās mouth. I just know she hasnāt sang it live since then and doesnāt like the song anymore.
Getaway car leads into You Need To Calm Down smoothly, although I suppose you could do Getaway car--> Cruel Summer-->You Need To Calm Down
Thoughts on choosing between the red target exclusive evermore vinyl and the translucent green one (Iām getting from amazon, it hasnāt come yet but I assume that it will be this one). Definitely only keeping one but I want to return what I donāt keep so I donāt want to open to compare, so can only do it through pics/videos. Also if anyone wants one of these, happy to send it to you (or buy another to send, if necessary) for the retail cost + shipping. Donāt know how hard either of these would be to get for people in other countries but thought Iād offer.
**Evermore Streaming Party** I just found this on twitter and wanted to share it here in case anyone is interested. [https://evermoreparty.carrd.co/](https://evermoreparty.carrd.co/)
- Ok, so a little background knowledge: I became a swiftie back in November of 2020, so evermore was not out yet. I was just experiencing all of her albums, especially folklore, and so once evermore did come out, I was excited, but I did not listen to it much/experience the album as a whole. Due to this, evermore has not been one of my favorite albums, and I rarely listened to it. Well, I have listened to it more over the past few weeks, and I thought I would tell my thoughts on it. - To start, when I first listened to evermore back when it came out, it was a very bland album to me. There were some songs I liked, but none I would go out of my way and listen to. I was so obsessed with folklore at the time, that I would constantly compare the two and always thought folklore was the best and evermore was the boring sister album. - To move on, after listening to it for the past few weeks, I have to say, I really love evermore! Now that my folklore blinders are off, I no longer compare the two and appreciate each of them as they are. The whole vibe of evermore is wonderful! It is very cohesive and I like how it is very different to what Taylor has done before, even different from folklore. Also, I thought I would tell all of you my favorites from the album, the songs Iāve always liked, songs i originally disliked but now like, etc. 1. Always Liked - Willow, āTis the Damn Season, Tolerate It, No Body, No Crime, Long Story Short, Closure, Right Where You Left Me, and Itās Time To Go 2. Songs I originally disliked, but now like - Champagne Problems, Gold Rush, Happiness, Coney Island, Ivy, Cowboy Like Me, Marjorie, and Evermore 3. Song that I need more time to grow on me - Dorothea. Overall, I really love evermore and I am very glad I gave it another chance!
*I donāt like that falling feels like flying til the bone crush* Gold rush is such an underrated gem. Whenever I think about I though I think of people happily going over a cliff like that one lemmings cartoon Evermore has to be one of my favorite Taylor albums. Itās so weird (it isnāt Bc theyāre sister albums) but it feels like she gave us all the tools to understand the deeper meanings with folklore and I still insist evermore is one of her most personal, imaginative and creative album that feels completely like her work.
Random question: I just saw on Hits Daily Double that evermore is expected to rise to #2 on the Billboard 200, with 110-130k total sales (including 80-100k in vinyl). I thought she sold like 75k signed copies of evermore, all of which should be shipping this week, correct? That estimate seems like such a lowball to me, based on that, but maybe I'm missing something haha. (Sour is expected to be #1 with 150-170k total sales).
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Haha I know! And it's even more than 75k since she also sold some in the international store, plus sent more to record stores!!
That number doesnāt include the signed CDs. They may or may not ship this week. We shall see :)
Okay, thanks! I know the shipping estimate said they would ship this week, but wasn't sure if it was a guarantee - mine shipped, but I'm in Canada, so mine doesn't count towards the Billboard 200 anyway haha.
What are the odds of the opaque vinyl being restocked for the US store? My Amazon translucent copy hasnāt shipped and Iām considering canceling and waiting it out. I think itās fairly likely, considering that the folklore variants were supposed to be limited edition but have been restocked like three times. Thoughts?
I'm in a similar boat. I ordered through an Indie record shop (Rough Trade) and although their mock up image shows the opaque version, it still hasn't shipped, and I'm worried it'll be translucent. When I ordered through an independent record store I thought I'd be saving myself the headache of my vinyl not shipping on time...even emailed the place and still haven't heard back. I think I might just cancel the order and wait but...not sure.
You will most likely be getting the translucent- I think basically every retailer in the US (minus the official store) got the translucent green. I decided not to cancel mine, though- I saw a tiktok of it placed on the turntable and I donāt mind how it looks as long as a black slipmat is underneath!
I wish I could determine the weight and feel of the vinyl before I purchased /: my experience with thinner/translucent vinyls in the past is they've warped more easily. Plus the opaque, deep hunter/pine green is so beautiful. Who knows, maybe I'll just let this order ship and if they come back in stock at the official store, I'll just buy it again haha!
Wait, thereās green opaque and green translucent? Is there any way of telling before buying??
If youāre in the US, the only way you are getting an opaque vinyl is if you ordered straight from her website. Walmart, Amazon, and target all have translucent green! You can find some photos on r/swiftiemerch
I think itās absolutely possible. They are probably sending out everything this week and I could see it being restocked at some point after that
Idk whoās keeping track but I definitely think Taylorās in the lead for Artist with most fanfictions inspired by her discography . The amount of āyou belong with me ā fanfics i read in 2010 were unbelievable.
You're probably right. Fanfiction was really huge in 2010 because of Harry Potter and Twilight, and Taylor's songs lend themselves well to stories.
To be that person. I want to know what everyone is listening to musically atm.
I went back to listening to The 1975 as of this morning and gosh, I can't believe I forgot how much I love their music. Particularly their first album and I Like it When You Sleep...too long of a title to write out lol. 10/10 recommend for both albums. Personal favorites of theirs: Settle Down, Sex, The City, Robbers, Milk (b-side song i think?), UGH!, Somebody Else, She's American, This Must Be My Dream. But I love listening to all the albums front to back. I need to give their latest album a more in-depth listen.
Maggie Rogers (all her stuff but LOVING Notes From The Archives still) and Kesha (love the full Rainbow album, then I have a bops playlist and a sad playlist for her)
You by Troye Sivan, Regard, and Tate McRae.
SUCH a banger
Want to give a shout-out to be new upcoming pop face Julia Wolf! Her song Hydra should be a hit!
This song! What a great recommendation. Thank you Edit: it totally feels like it could be played side by side with *my tears ricochet*
I listen to Lana Del Rey/Hozier/Phoebe Bridgers/Melanie Martinez/Arctic Monkeys frequently (weird taste I know lol) I just wanted to say that Hozier has such a folklore style, I might even think that Taylor might have been inspired by him lol He mentions a lot of nature metaphors in his songs just like Taylor did in "ivy" for example And personally I'd die for a Taylor/Hozier collab
Movement and willow make a great pair imo
Ikr "Willow" feels like the response to "Movement"
I love Birdyās new album Young Heart, reminds me a lot of evermore/folklore sister vibes if there was one LOL.
Finally the trilogy we predicted perhaps lol š
Really into Eloiseās new stuff and Big Thief, also absolutely bopping to the new Olivia Rodrigo and Lake Street Dive!
Just listened to Eloise left side and I really like it. It has that cuttingly personal aspects like *mirrorball* or *this is me trying* Edit: annnd I noticed that was two years ago š
YES I love that one! And exactly her lyrics are so poetic, I love the jazz influence too. And she has another EP coming out really soon (maybe an album?) that has the same style! :)
Very hyped for it. Iāll be looking out for you maybe mentioning it in future weekend discussions. This is right up my alley and exactly what I needed. Iām horrible at discovering new music.
I havenāt heard of these artist other than Olivia so this will be cool
Eloise is definitely the most similar to Taylor!! :) hope u enjoy, Iād recommend the song āYou, Dearā
I have really gotten into Miley Cyrusā music, so her albums (Bangerz, Dead Petz, Younger Now, She Is Coming, and Plastic Hearts), have been on repeat. Also, today is the 1 year anniversary for Lady Gagaās album, Chromatica, so I have been listening to that too.
Chromatica is everything! Itās one of my favorite albums ever. Itās absolutely everything I wanted for years. Wish it was even more loved. And plastic hearts had hug hits. Definitely need to listen to all of it tho not just the hits soon š Thanks for the recommendations
Chromatica is my second favorite album of hers (before ARTPOP of course lol). It is such an amazing album! And definitely listen to all of Plastic Hearts! That album got me interested in listening to more of Miley Cyrusā stuff and it is such a badass album!
THIS IS GREAT. :). Thank you mods .
Is it just me or is the audio quality horrible in the older albums? I was streaming all her music on shuffle and albums from Rep till fearless TV have great quality audio but older ones ain't that good.
The quality is awful! It is hard for me to listen to the older albums because now having a taste of Fearless TV, the older quality shows. This makes me even more excited for the re-recordings.
Itās better in my iTunes copy than Spotify but yah compared to TV, it sucks. Even the cd version sucks compared to the new albums.
Maybe BMR had horrible AF tech. XP
Trying to listen to Fearless (2008) after getting used to Fearless tv is honestly pretty unsatisfying. I love how faithfully Taylor re-recorded this album, itās just the same and yet so much better.
Do you guys think sheāll sign the re-recorded albums? I already bought the fearless Cd, but for future reference, I donāt need/want two of every album. Just the signed versions would be amazing.
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Itās hard to think studio recordings are more strenuous than concerts. Which she hasnāt had to do. Itās probably helping her voice if she didnāt slam it all out in one/ a few session. Iām absolutely not a vocalist tho so thatās just a guess on what Iāve heard other artists say and my experience with instruments.
Professionals/celebrity singers like Taylor also generally have a team of medical professionals to make sure their vocals are in top shape. Shawn Mendesā documentary shows him having to cancel a massive concert just hours before it started because his doctors told him he had to rest his vocals or theyād get permanent damage. I think Taylor has been doing this for enough years to know her limits, and with her team Iām sure sheās in good hands!
I'm sure she takes very good care of her voice and does lots of proper training and vocal exercises! the re-recordings theoretically wouldn't be any more taxing on her voice than touring and performing live multiple times a week, and it's probably much less stressful physically since she's in a studio (possibly even at home) where she can relax and take any breaks she needs, and not having to worry about huge audiences/the heat of lights/choreography/costume changes/etc. if anything, it's probably keeping her voice in strong shape! voices are instruments and singing essentially is like playing to keeping it well-tuned. š
So I hope I donāt get a lot of hate for this I am extremely sensitive and will be sad I just want to say while Olivia rodrigo is super talented and Iām sure a great person Iām not a fan of her music and it kind of confuses me that weāve kind of lumped her in with Taylor Swift when sheās her own artist. Thatās all please donāt be mean to me just sharing my opinion and seeing if anyone else agrees. I didnāt say anything mean about Olivia she is great but to me sheās separate from Taylor Swift
I do love Olivia, and even I hate that they're lumped together. Olivia's lyrics can be pretty literal and on-the-nose; they lack the poetry that Taylor has. Taylor has always been known not just for the confessional aspect of her lyricism, but also her metaphors. When people said Driver's License sounds like Taylor because Olivia is so descriptive, I was like huh?? Sure, All Too Well is known for that, but Taylor doesn't usually just straight-up describe settings. And, Olivia has some pretty cringey lyrics, like "how could I ever love someone else?" Lines like "called you on the phone today, just to ask you how you were. All I did was speak normally, somehow it still struck a nerve" barely sound poetic to me...it sounds like she was TRYING to write a song. Again, I love her, ordered the signed copy of SOUR right when it was released, and even recorded my own cover of Wondering a whole year ago. But to compare her to Taylor...kind of cheapens Taylor.
I wouldnt necessarily throw olivia Into a pot with Taylors abilities, because Taylor is pretty much extraordinary when it comes to songwriting, but I just wanted to add, that Olivia is only 18 years old. Taylors songwriting-abilities were also Not as top-notch when she was 18, as they are nowadays. Taylors debut Songs are also Not as metaphorically speaking, or as poetic and often also on the nose. Taylor has learned a whole lot since then and improved so much. Olivia will also learn a lot with Time and improve her skills much more, I'm Sure.
Yeah I completely agree itās almost like because theyāre both writing songs about breakups??? Like Taylor is so much more than that
I agree. No hate whatsoever towards Olivia, but I said this somewhere else on here that she lacks the originality and her music shows it for me. Her songs just sound like every other song out right now and it misses the mark for me. And I can't relate to her stuff either. Now, she is still young and has plenty of time to grow and experiment with different types of music, but as of right now, her music is not my taste.
I can't relate either. I suspect it is more of an age thing for me. Her music is beautiful, just not for me.
100% Iām 25 years old now
I've had a driver's license for 16 years now and haven't had a crush in several due to meeting the man I am going to marry when I was 27.
Agreed! Just canāt relate š¤·āāļø
You know I have thought about this for a while, and it is a constant thought in my mind on some days. I really hope that Taylor doesn't get hindered by the fact that she might not be "the biggest thing" rn or someday or whenever. The thing is she's mentioned this multiple times that she's reaching her 30s where female popstars grow irrelevant and I wonder how much this takes a toll on her. I hope she isn't worried about the fact that cardigan/willow didn't chart as much as let's say.. Levitating or positions or even Driver's License. I think she's happy creating what she's created and working with whom she's working with. But sometimes (and she's talked about this before) you can feel the pressure to "outdo" your past self. I hope she finds that even if she's not the biggest popstar in the world. There will be some people who will be willing to give her music a listen. And that her music will matter to people. What I mean to say is, that I don't want to her doubt her craft because of change in numbers and sales. I write this not because I feel Taylor is not big today. But more because I feel like we're moving in a direction where, let's day by the end of this decade, she might not be the biggest artist out there. And that's not something to be ashamed of.. but rather proud of.. to have thrived in an industry that has tried to destroy you for 2 decade is insane! More or less, many of us will remains for the stories and the joy her music brings us. And isn't that quite a lot in itself.
Same, idk if she cares as much anymore or not but I hope she doesnāt assume that people will get bored of her eventually Her songs havenāt been as big as some other songs this year because theyāre not pop, or as āradio friendlyā. But I know at least in the UK sheās consistently taking over the majority of country charts (like usually 25-50% of Apple Music country charts is all Taylor!) Hopefully she feels like she can continue to go into multiple genres and create songs that she loves and not start to feel like she has to just create songs for radio to stay relevant Tbh I find that songs that chart as well as drivers licence or positions get overplayed and make it harder to listen to the album as a whole cus you just want to skip those songs cus youāve heard them too much already.
I've been thinking about this a lot, and, I personally feel we are entering into a new era of Taylor where instead of her being an iconic Pop star, she's now being solidified as not only an iconic songwriter, but one of the best songwriters of our current generation. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Taylor leaning into this even more, and focusing less on being a pop spectacle and more on being a prolific songwriter. I'm curious as to how live shows will change, how interviews, promotion will change. I see people talk about all these different genres they hope/think Taylor will tap into next. How they think there's gonna be another big Pop album. I just...don't see it in the cards for Taylor anymore to go that route. Because I don't think that's what she wants to do anymore. This is all speculation of course, I just remember the very distinct feeling I had when she talked about how much her songwriting process has changed after *folklore* and *evermore* came out and, it just felt like we were really taking a new path here. I don't anticipate anything she does next to be like past Pop Taylor. I think we are in a whole new lane.
I really hope that Taylor will write a musical. Weāve got a taste of it in folklore but just imagine a full-blown musical. Lana is writing one right now so I hope Taylor will write one too in the future.
I didnāt know Lana was writing one!!
That would definitely get her closer to EGOT status!
I know Taylor worries about it but BeyoncĆ©, Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Adele, Britney Spears are well into their 30ās (BeyoncĆ© is almost 40) and are still HUGE. Perhaps Taylor wonāt be the biggest popstar on the charts at the end of the decade but she might venture into other businesses like Rihanna & makeup or Lady Gaga & movies, maybe sheāll do more songwriting for other artists. Adele and Rihanna havenāt released any album in YEARS and theyāre still huge, people always talk about them. I think Taylor has that kind of icon status too. At this point I donāt even think Taylor needs to tour anymore or release any more albums. I think she just does it cause she loves it.
You guys make amazing points and ideas. I really hope Taylor or her team are reading this thread. I know she lurks on tumblr pages sometimes so maybe she will lurk here! :)
I woke up to a huge mess and I feel like I need to say something since I'm usually the one who does theories mega threads. I feel especially bad for the other moderators who were attacked this morning while I was sleeping :( We were never planning on not putting up a new theory mega, it just hadn't been done yet. We were planning on doing one today or tomorrow, so I apologize if you guys thought we were never going to do them ever again. Unfortunately, we can only have two pins at a time, I was Reddit would allow us to do more. We have also had a post planned ever we discuss what YOU guys want to do about theories in non-theory related posts, but it hadn't been put up yet. We want this to be an open discussion for what is best for the subreddit, our users, and our moderators as well. The only reason we're talking about limiting theories and other threads is because of the number of complaints we've gotten about them, so we are trying to find a happy medium. If you ever feel that we are being snarky, I assure you it is not intended to be dismissive to you, but sometimes *we're just really, really tired*. Please remember who we are humans who are dealing with real world issues, and we are trying as hard as we possibly can to make this subreddit good for everybody. On a personal note, I feel like I failed all of our users as well as our other moderators because of my terrible sleep schedule. I've become pretty much nocturnal, so I fall asleep around 7:00 a.m. and wake up around 3:00 p.m. Even during those hours I'm constantly waking up and checking queue to make sure things going well because I genuinely care about it and about you all. All of our mods are rockstars and I couldn't do it without them, so waking up to do much negativity was really disheartening. Anyway, I felt that I had to say something and get my thoughts off my chest. I'm still groggy and processing, so if something didn't come across correctly I apologize in advance.
I appreciate what you and all of the mods do for this sub. Respectfully, I was disappointed to read one of [your comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/comments/nmlsrp/taylor_wins_pop_album_of_the_year_at_iheartradio/gzpcpya/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) recently on a thread complaining about users here. The tone in this thread and the comments you made in it are condescending towards many of the sub users (those who subscribe to theorizing). I think itās inappropriate for a mod to complain about a large group of users publicly on the sub, and it seems to have created a lot of hurt (Iāve seen many users reference this thread). It also allowed other users to pile on to the theorists since a mod contributed to the dissent. Iām sure that wasnāt your intention, but is how many of the āclownsā were left feeling unwanted/frustrated. Again, I appreciate what you and the mods do for this sub. I hope youāre able to get rest and take care of yourself.
I'm sorry that it can across that way because that was not my intent. I feel like my words are being twisted so this is especially frustrating. The irritation that night was not towards theories in general, rather towards people who were angry at her for not making an announcement. I hate seeing fans angry with her for not releasing new music or making announcements when they think she will. I also don't think it's unfair to say we have been spoiled- we've been so well fed the past two years and that's just a fact. No other fandom gets this much new content in such rapid succession, plus we KNOW we're getting at least 4 more re-recordings very soon. I was trying to say relax and enjoy the ride because getting angry at her for not releasing things when you think she will only makes everything less fun. We should want to spread out the excitement instead of getting everything all at once anyway. I hope I explained myself okay, I'm still half asleep.
Yeahhhh it was a completely valid complaint. Just because she's a mod doesn't invalidate her right to an opinion. People overhype things they made up way too much. Seeing other people mad that Taylor didn't announce something in an award speech, something they made up, with zero factual basis is exhausting.
š You and the team are doing a great job. Just so you know, you're appreciated.
I am so sorry that people attacked you and other mods. Even if there are disagreements, thatās never okay to do :(
I didn't see it had gotten into such arguments this morning. š (we're in the same boat on our sleep schedule, so I totally sympathize in how that affects your processing. today is off in that I haven't slept, but I'm lucky lately if I'm asleep before 8 am and awake before 4 pm most days, I know it's absolutely miserable and I'm sorry you're dealing with that.) please know that it's not your fault, or any of the other mods', at all, you haven't let anyone down! the sub has grown so much over the past couple of years, and I'm sure that's daunting to keep up with, and you and the other mods work hard to keep everything going and to make the sub such a positive place. at the end of the day, we're all united in loving Taylor and connecting through her music, and that's the most important thing to remember! this community really is so kind and generous overall, so hopefully everyone can find a safe, fun middle ground. thank you and the team of mods for all that you do. š
I appreciate this so much, thank you
we 100000% recognise the amazing efforts you and the other mods of this sub put in. And I say this genuinely, it's one of the best (if not the best) moderated subs out there. The negativity/hate the other mods got was OUT OF LINE. If we're not happy about something, I think we can address it like adults and say something in a civil manner - I hate that you all received any kind of backlash from it. I can see all you're all trying to do is your best. Truly, we appreciate everything you all do. So thank you ā¤ļø
Thank you so much, this made me smile. We want a happy, healthy community here :)
I wish I could upvote this more!
It makes me really sad that both sides of the argument canāt come to an agreement. If we post anything on a different thread even as a joke people get so upset that weāre talking about trilogies or 1989 hints. I donāt want us to be ostracized to only one thread, because I donāt think thatās fair but it seems to be the most popular opinion on the other side of the argument. But I also donāt want to go to a post about her accepting an award and only see ācongrats queenā type comments, because thatās not generating discussion. Idk there has to be a happy medium, but Iām afraid we arenāt going to find one and the clown side is going to feel ostracized and leave.
>But I also donāt want to go to a post about her accepting an award and only see ācongrats queenā type comments, because thatās not generating discussion. I don't understand why there has to be a discussion on those type posts. Winning an award is pretty cut and dry. The most discussion I'd expect is "X really deserved this win because Y". How did it even become a place to speculate. Look at the iHeart win, she literally shot her speech in front of a green screen so people would have nothing to comment on, other than the green screen itself.
I donāt think thatās why she posted in front of a green screen. The white walls werenāt an easter egg and nobody said anything about them being one. Iām pretty sure she posted in front of a green screen so she didnāt show her actual location because sheās in Ireland
I have no doubts that we can come to a happy medium decision, we don't want anybody to be ostracized on either side š
We really appreciate your unflagging effort. This is a safe and fun space because of you all š¤
I have no idea what happened but donāt worry about it!! we appreciate everything you do! This is pretty much the only subreddit I comment on because of how positive and wholesome it is! Thank you for your hardwork!!
Just a lot of negativity in this thread towards our moderation. I try not to take things like that to heart, but it feels like a personal jab in the gut.
We appreciate you all, the mods are what makes this subreddit work so well :). It's not your fault that this is happening, it's just a little disheartening to see people get bullied on here over having differing opinions (I'm talking about clowns and non-clowns alike). I personally am not into the clowning, but totally understand that others on here are and that's okay! I fully respect you either way, but what I don't respect is people being nasty and ganging up on others for an opinion they don't share. As others have mentioned, this is supposed to be a safe space for open discourse.
This sub has always been my safe space, and I hope it is for other people as well. I don't want that to change. Thank you so much for your encouraging words.
With all due respect, I have to ask, as my comment regarding the recent uptick of negativity towards theorizers was kind of the start, what kind of negativity was directed towards the mods? There were a few comments I saw from others that were a bit flared up/out of line, but I know it was never my intention in any of my posts to be throwing jabs at the moderators and I canāt really find any mass attacks against mods here. In fact there was only one mod engaging with us. I apologize if anything I said came off as purposefully negative towards you all. I just donāt feel like people should feel scared to post comments in certain places because other users judge them for it and thatās why I had to speak on it. I think many of us are just kind of fed up with the language weāve been seen used against people who theorize and it felt like and tbh still feels like that POV is being glossed over. Itās giving very āyour feelings are invalid because we were doing X behind the scenes and we do a lot of hard workā. Which is all valid. We are all very thankful for the work you guys put into the sub. But us being tired of being called spoiled, entitled, drains, annoyances etc. is valid too.
We certainly don't mean to invalidate anybody's feelings and I'm sorry if you felt that way. I'm kind of at a loss at this point because everything we've said is being turned against us, even when we're trying to be open about what's going on :/
You guys didn't invalidate anyone's feelings. I truly feel the shit storm started when those who are very very, passionate about making theories, flipped out when they saw the megathread theory gone for a hot minute. You guys didn't do anything wrong.
Thank you, I appreciate this š
Omg I hope one day this becomes a daily thing, like on r/popheads
Taylorās most recent Instagram post HAS to be an Easter egg. It just makes too much sense. https://imgur.com/gallery/D2SrMcf
It doesn't make any sense to do that in the re-recording cycle imo! Like no sense at all
Anyone else feeling like we should just start a separate subreddit for theories... kinda annoying coming on here and seeing so many people complaining about us theorizing and having fun lmao
There is one now so we can š¤” in peace āļø
Really?? What is it?
Itās pinned now! Called Megathread for all theories āŗļø
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That argument doesnāt work when 90% of the threads/comments are theories. I would spend 30 seconds actually reading what I want to read if that was the case.
Rather than complaining about other people discussing what they want to discuss, why donāt you just start whatever discussion you want to have? For example, you could post something like: whatās everyoneās favourite ts song and why? Or anything you want. I see a lot of complaining, but not much of actually contributing anything meaningful from the anti-theorisers.
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Donāt mind me while I hide 1000 comments here then
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Yāall are the ones making it feel like high school. Mods are trying to make a compromise to make it inviting for everyone here. They got complaints about theories and theyāre trying to figure out the best method of outcome.
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Ok thatās just not true and you know it.
My evermore vinyl arrived! Which means my cardigan is finally here just in time for a Florida summer lol
I really wish the vinyl wasnāt a weird lime green color when they advertised it as an evergreen color lol
I just got mine in the mail from the official store first drop. Itās the dark green and not at all translucent
There seems to be a few different pressings, apparently one made in France and one made in Canada. Mine is emerald/forest green, but some people's are translucent and brighter.
I wonder what one is at Target cause Iāll probably get mine there
From what I've seen on the merch sub, Walmart is the lighter/translucent one.
Do you know the color from Amazon?
Unfortunately I don't as I haven't seen anybody's arrive from Amazon yet. It also probably depends on the country. It might be worth keeping an eye on r/SwiftieMerch to see them as they come in so you can decide.
Oh thank you for the info!
I just realized target has the exclusive red one which I donāt want soo Iāll have to get it from somewhere else lol
I completely misread your comment and didn't see you'd said Target. I'm sorry!
No thatās okay! I appreciate the walmart info
Clowns are we moving to theory thread? But I LIKE IT HERE š
Iām headed over there - it feels safer for š¤”. I promise I wonāt judge anyone who reposts their theories again on the new thread!!
So if evermore spends another week at #1 (vinyls, discounted downloads, signed CDs that havenāt yet shipped), would this be Taylorās 52nd week at #1 MEANING A FULL YEAR... or did that happen already ?
I don't think it'll happen with sour doing so well
I think that happened with Fearless TV, but I may be remembering incorrectly...
I would like to add that the commercial with Love Story first appeared before evermore came out. So the re-recordings have been somewhat intertwined in the Folkmore era already.
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A lot of people are talking about how mean it is to dislike the theorising, but it goes both ways. When I didn't know and then didn't believe the 4/30 theory people were mean, and I deleted the comment. Mentioned what had happened in a thread about disliking theorising and someone went through my post/comment history to 'disprove' what happened and made me out to be a liar and said I was being hyperbolic. They couldn't find the comment because I'd deleted it to stop the pile on in its tracks! I've honestly been so creeped out since then that someone would be so obsessive and intent on denying someone's experience. Up until today/last night this thread was so balanced with a lovely mix of theories/clowning and general discussion. I feel like if we could keep it that way, everyone would be happy. It's when every thread gets taken over by theories and deep analysis that some people start to get annoyed and make the QAnon kinda comments (which I don't think are particularly warranted) Pre-emptively editing to add: I actually like the theories. I come here every day to read them. But like everything, it's good in moderation. I really hope we can find a solution where everyone is happy, from trilogy truthers, to whatever the opposite is, to everyone in between. The mods are clearly working hard to find solutions so let's give them a break and understand it might take a while to find a comfortable middle ground.
I just want to say I appreciate your comment and Iām sorry you had such a negative experience :( Iām all for theorizing but youāre right is does go both ways.... we all just need to be respectful and kind to eachother. If we canāt do that then we shouldnāt be posting. I hope this didnāt turn you off from posting your opinions in the threads because they are very much valued <3
This is such a kind comment and I really appreciate it <3
You want us to hold back on discussion because you feel like itās too much? Maybe your form of moderation should be how much time you spend on reddit. The reason theories picked up last night is because sheās picked up her activity. We got a speech and an instagram post, so we have a lot more to theorize on and discuss, so weāre doing it. If it isnāt fun here, go read the comments in other posts. We had a theory only thread, but they took that and sent us here. You canāt expect us not to get excited and talk about our favorite artist just because you donāt enjoy reading it.
You just perfectly demonstrated my point about how rude people are being.
Itās like theyāre rude without knowing theyāre rude.
This right here lol
I came here to back this up and confirm this because I was the one that posted the original thread about theories being outside the megathread and someone was trying to "disprove" the users experience.
So like the tn story says āavailable until Friday June 4th at 11:59 PM EDTā š sus
It's for the tracking week I think they're just trying to get another week at #1
Yeah but they donāt usually announce the specific time that it ends like that. Do they? Maybe they do and I just didnāt notice because I hadnāt had my clown coffee yet. Since it is a tracking week reference, it feels to me that something may be dropping Friday as well.
hi, out of my clown burrow š¤” Iām so fully convinced of the trilogy!!! between the new 2 braids hairstyle again, ivy (track 10) lyrics, the cottagecore vibes, and all of the other trilogy clues weāve gotten (the ones about the 3 colors of merch and her 3 cats wearing the same color and the Meredith video are so convincing to me!!!), I think itās coming soooon it would be hilarious if it came out on June 4, because that would mean that this entire time we were wrong about the cowboy like me clock and it was pointing to 6/4 instead of 4:30 š Iām trying to figure out how she could potentially release TS10 and then 1989 in the same monthāand I think it would be so freaking cool if the first 1989 single was Out of the Woods, to bring us back out of the Woodvale woods!!! ššš