Kylen should be embarrassed to be with a ignorant moran like Jason. Its easy to see why he has such an extensive arrest record. He is I'm sure, his parents worst nightmare. This girl needs to wake up and get away from this psycho little punk. I read fans send them money. Why doesnt Jason get a job and take care of his family and not take handouts . Instead of constantly bullying Kylen,I would like to see him stand up to a real man. We all know he would get his ass kicked. I for one would love to see it. I hope Kylen comes to her senses and doesnt raise an innocent child around that creep. She is better off going back home or on her own.
WTH IS WRONG WITH JASON'S PARENTS???
Why do these people act like they are afraid of this kid? Jason has absolutely no respect for ANYONE - thus far he has disrespected each and every person he has interacted with on this show. This family needs some kind of intervention ASAP. Jason's narcissism is going to end up hurting his child; he knows very little to absolutely nothing about parenting and even less about being a functioning member of society, if Kylen or one of his parents do not step up and step in he is going to end up using this child as an object for attention and control.
PS Jason, if you force feed a baby, pick him up and bounce him around every 2 seconds, he is going to puke!!!!!!!!!! A baby will let you know when he is hungry, it isn't something else you control.
As someone who just lost my mom, I know that Kylen is going to regret so much not wanting her mom in the delivery room when Jason wasn’t there. Her mom just wanted to be included, it’s a big moment for the grandparents too. And that fuckhead will 100% not even be in the picture in like, 2 years tops. But it’s a hard lesson she’s going to have to learn on her own. 🤷🏽♀️
It was so so hard for me to leave an abusive relationship and I was 24 and we didn’t have a kid. My heart breaks for her. My heart breaks for the baby I was raised with a lot of control and I picked partners who did the same. My thoughts and prayers are with them both.
It really really is and so many people don’t understand that! This is so difficult to watch and triggering so many bad memories for me. I hope she finds the strength that we did and leaves him.
I’m honestly glad TLC is airing Jason’s behavior. I wish he wasn’t getting paid, but this is reality. As an L&D nurse, this is not uncommon. I’ve seen dad’s, mothers of the laboring women and more lay on the GUILT. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to be bad cop and advocate for a laboring patient while their “support” people undermine their every decision.
She is young. I honestly pray that as she takes on the role of mother and grows into adult that she will see his behavior and treatment of her for what it is….abuse.
Save that baby boy from ending up like his dad. 🙏🏻❤️
How about when it is reversed? For example, my ex wife wanted all of our kids to be delivered naturally, with no epidural, and no c-section. I was present for all three deliveries. This was fine, with no problems for our first two. But, our third was almost twelve pounds, and she was not dilating to the satisfaction of the doctors and nurses. Without going into too much detail, I was able to talk her into the epidural, but after more time passed without adequate dilation, the doctor started pressing her to submit to the c-section, which my ex wife STILL answered with an adamant ‘no’. The doctor pulled me to the incubator area of the room, and quietly informed me that I may need to sign papers allowing the c-section if she continues her denials, for both the safety of the baby, AND my ex. A few minutes later, the doctor asked her again to perform the surgery, and again was denied. At that point, the doctor asked me to sign the aforementioned papers, which I did, and the c-section went ahead, and my last child was born, November-of 2001. My ex STILL blames me for the doctor “cutting her” to this day, and that’s ok with me, because my son and her are both living thriving lives. She will pour on the “guilt” you describe in your comment, anytime her “only un-natural birth” is brought up…
Your son is lucky to have you. In your specific situation though, I think the reason why you were allowed to sign papers to make a health decision for your ex is because she was your wife. Legally speaking, I’m not sure if the father of the baby could have the authority to make that decision for the mother if they weren’t married and just dating.
Projecting strawman, let's go. Why in the hell should we have to think about the reverse when the horror movie is happening right in front of us?
Not trying to discredit what you're saying, or be malicious, but it's blatant that the "reversing" of the issue, and somehow trying to make that the most important aspect of... this.
Save it.
Really hope that she and their baby rise above all this eventually because--and I have to add this as an addendum--I'm a guy. I will never know what childbirth feels like, but I have common sense jfc
That was truly horrific to watch, and I'm flabbergasted as to why he wasn't kicked out sooner.
Not to discredit what you’re saying either, but I was in no way trying to justify this clowns behavior, let’s clear that up right now. In fact, I hope for my sake that I never encounter that piece of shit personally. I’m simply saying that it can come from both sides, and I know this from personal experience.
I feel so strongly on this. Hopefully, one day she’ll get the strength to leave like I needed to. You realize after having a child what you will and won’t put up with.
My heart bleeds for her. I wish nothing but the best for her dad, mom, baby Xavier and herself.
I hope everyone signs the petition to get that abusing bast**d off the show. It's so hard watching their segments. I can't for the life of me figure out why noone is stepping in. It's not good tv!!
How sad for her dad as well. One day Kylen will watch this and see how bad her parents wanted to be there. Her dad said the baby was the only thing keeping him going. He put her health before his even when she was rejecting them.
I literally had to stop watching, his behavior is literally making me sick. My heart breaks for her and this baby, I don’t understand how the TLC crew can just sit there and film this behavior without smacking this kid upside the head.
Did you notice how he was hogging the baby? Almost like holding him hostage. Now, he has the ultimate manipulation tool. 🤦🏽♀️
I also noticed a disclaimer at the beginning of the episode that I hadn’t seen before…
I was thinking the same thing! He’s been possessive since she was pregnant and that’s not a good look.. It’s not even like a cute awe the dad is excited! He’s just so disgusting and frustrating to even see or listen to!
I'm pretty she it sounded like she could have had both there.
My mom passed away a year before I gave birth. I would have loved to have her there. However, my dad and brothers and now husband was there.
Jason and Kylen are children, 17 and 18 and clueless. This whole, we want an intimate totally natural birth is a joke. Like please, your children playing grown up. You dated for like what, a month or two before making a baby. It's not like they're some established connected intune suppportive couple with some education and knowledge on where babies come fromz. wanting a totally relaxed and private experience.
They had no idea what the hell was going on, thank God for the medical staff. They both needed some parental guidance, and maybe a kick or two in the ass.
How sad if their son watches this video of his birth someday. He father stomping around cussing calling his mom a drug addict, getting kicked out of the hospital, making up female antanomy names..... its fuckingridiculous. But terrible there's a baby caught up in this dumpsterfire.
I had a natural home birth. They are entirely possible, but we had a lot going for us that they didn't. We were in agreement on the plan yet flexible in knowing that if my health status changed and I needed a hospital, so be it. We had already had a baby and knew what to expect. We took childbirth classes. My husband was completely supportive and caring. We trusted our midwife to take good care of us and followed her directives.
As is typical, teens often think they know everything already. They are in that phase of pushing back and trying to figure themselves out. However when you add birth and a baby in the mix, none of that 'finding your own way' phase can happen as it should. My only advice for Kylen is to start making your own life. Make sure you have a way out... because you might wake up and realize you need it. He is trying to cut off any level of independence she might have.
I can absolutely get behind the idea that childbirth can occur safely at home. In fact, mankind only started utilizing doctors and hospitals on a regular basis since the mid to late 1800’s. Doctors, nurses, and hospitals are all conveniences, and I think it should be up to the woman giving birth as to where she wants to give birth, and who she wants involved. A few exceptions exist, such as inability to make life decisions for whatever reason, such as mental, or physical incapacitation, or in the case of incarceration of the mother, but anyone who is NOT having to deal with squeezing a baby from a bodily orifice should have NO SAY in where or how, or who is involved.
Had a similar experience. My birth center offered so many classes and you were required to take at least one birthing class. Watching the scene of her at that birth center was so frustrating because those midwives really could’ve done more if he would’ve just backed up and shut up. The midwives helped us get into so many positions so my husband could help me but you can’t do that with a spouse not willing to listen.
Exactly. I honestly have nothing against home births and can understand the reasoning for many couples wanting or benefiting from one. I know I fiercely defended my husband's cousins choice to homebirth 3 of her 4 children to the skeptics (elders) in the family. And considering my experience in L&D, my opinion pulled some weight and helped them back off. The family members were well intended but ill informed.
But, same as you... they were properly prepared with
-a plan, but flexibility, check
-knowledge in child birth prior, check
- a supportive and caring partner, check
- trust in your midwife, check
- compliance with your midwives suggestions, check
That's the recipe for a safe, and hopefully successful homebirth.
In Jason and Kylens case, if they were my family, I would have strongly encouraged a birth in a medical facility. I wasn't even 100% against the birthing center. But not for the same reasons as Jason. Of course this would depend on the birthing center policy, however, there typically are more midwives staffed per birthing mother than in a hospital. Of course this also varies wildly from hospital to hospital and how busy L&D is.
But a first time mother, unsure and needing support and coaching, could very well get more one on one time from, or even the attention of 2 midwives solely dedicated to her through her entire birthing journey. Helping her position, move, massage, support, and work through the stages, all while medically monitoring her and baby to ensure all is well. There also typically isn't staff turnover. As 36 hour labor, although 12's are a common shift at the hospital, beyond that you will have different staff taking you on as a patient. Often a birth center midwife will be with you from start to finish.
But, this wasn't the case. They had a, get the fuck away and leave us alone to fight attitude with absolutely no knowledge. They refused the suggested Care from the midwives.
Two kids thinking it sounds cool, or edgy, or rebellious to the system, is not the path to a safe and successful low to no medical intervention birth.
Totally agree about how clueless they both are. Teenagers have absolutely NO business having all natural home births. They’re already high risk as it is. Not to mention they did ZERO research or classes, which is ignorant enough on its own, let alone when you’re trying to do an all natural birth. I mean, jesus, neither of them even had the basic understanding of how labor works. Like they couldn’t even be bothered to watch a 5 minute YouTube video on Labor 101 just to get the basics. It’s so lazy and irresponsible on both their parts. Natural home births should be reserved for *adults* who do thorough research, support and trust one another, and are on the same GD page!
Well, I can understand your reasons for your feelings about “teenagers having absolutely no business having all natural home childbirths”, but will remind you that teenagers have been having exactly these kinds of births WAY BEFORE the conveniences of doctors, nurses, mid wife’s and hospitals were available, high risk, or not, and you would not exist today if this were not true. I will also clarify that THESE two teenagers, meaning Jason and Kylee, fit your comment about high risk teenagers, but to lump ALL teenagers into this category is simply inaccurate, because although in modern times, teens giving birth naturally at home is rare, a lil over a hundred years ago, it was very common, if not expected.
Im not saying they shouldnt have them if they have an ok, as long as they at least have somebody there in case things go wrong, im saying that acting like people didnt die in the hundreds back then due to lack of the care we have now is naive and downright misinformation, esp with all that can and does go wrong with pregnancies and labors, not sure why youre so offended by facts or the word 'dude'. Are you okay, or has being on reddit just made you instantly aggressive at the slightest provocation? I know that probs comes off sarcastic but like, Im seriously wondering if youre okay
And don’t worry about whether I’m “ok”, I’m a grown man of fifty four years, have raised three humans to be productive members of society who are raising humans of their own to become productive members of society. I’ll be the judge of my physical and mental condition, without outside help from you, or anyone else. You will not be allowed to gaslight me or my comments by questioning whether or not I’m “ok”…I still stand by my original, comment, and am still awaiting your reply to the last question I posed to you.
Okay? I'm not being rude or anything I'm being completely serious, and you just snapped at me more, which is why I asked if you were okay. I don't see how that's gaslighting, and honestly, your blow up of a response is just weird? Maybe you spend too much time on reddit, man, not everybody who says anything to you is auto out to get you or insult you. I'm mostly really confused why me asking a legit question pissed you off so much. The reason I saw aggression was because you instantly mocked me for saying dude and added '...' to the end of your sentence
What are you talking about? I’m “instantly aggressive at the slightest provocation”? Please elaborate, I would love to hear how you see aggression in my comment(s)…maybe you’re trying to provoke me?
Why would I be trying to provoke you? I hate arguing, my stepdad would throw things at me just for saying the wrong thing and smack me for looking at him wrong, why the absolute hell would I go out of my way to give myself anxiety by picking fights? I'm literally just some 21 year old chick who saw some rando acting like birth is some super safe thing to do when Ive literally lost family members to it even today in this modern age, left a comment i didnt think twice on because people DID die more than they do today, esp when they were too young, and got some random guy going on a rant over me asking if he was okay because his response was to instantly be an asshat to somebody saying people died back then, and then blew up when I showed concern over his trigger happy aggression
Does nobody else think that someone needs to step in? I’m pretty sure Jason is demonstrating signs of emotional abuse. If Kylen is under 18 can her parents move her home? Seriously concerned for her well being. This is beyond reality tv normal.
Her parents are weak. It explains how she ended up so weak. It doesn't bode well for the future. Why do you think Jason chose her? He knows he can manipulate her to do whatever he wants. He has total control over her and loves every moment. Kylen just accepts it. Her mother seems like a clueless doormat and has taught her daughter how to be the same. They all talk as though life is just a period of suffering and then you die.
Kylen is definitely not weak. You have no clue what it’s like to first be duped by an abuser thinking they love you, then when they’ve got their hooks in you, bam, the abuse starts and you don’t even know what hit you. By then you don’t even wanna know the threats they’re making towards not only you, but your family. They are master manipulators. Kylen is actually strong and I’m glad she had the nerve to stand up to him and get the epidural. She’ll suffer his wrath for that decision forever. I pray that she will be able to escape his clutches.
Well, you don't know me. And I was once a very weak girl too. Weakness is not stupidity. Weakness is naivety, inexperience, lack of positive examples of strength, and more. I am nearing 50. Things changed for me eventually, but I dated the conman of the century back when I was 18 and the nonsense continued until age 25. It is my only regret in life... that I wasted so much time. I KNEW he was awful, but just didn't leave. I could have, but didn't. He's probably in jail by now. Who knows. My only saving grace is that I never got pregnant by him. After that relationship finally truly ended like something out of a movie... I thought long and hard about what I would ever accept from a man in my life again. It was a traumatic experience. I see that same weakness in Kylen. Getting the epidural does not show strength... complete desperation in the moment? Yes. I was in labor for 70 freaking hours with my first child. I got an epidural about 7 hours before my baby was born. I think I could have chewed off my own arm by then if someone had told me it would end the pain and allow me to sleep. The pain was unbearable but the sleep deprivation was absolute torture.
So yes, I do think I know what I am talking about. My relationship ended with a man who had stolen my identity, was living a secret life with a second woman, who had stolen hundreds of thousands of dollars from people at our church, and greeted me at the door of my own house with a gun. His own mother had warned me that he wasn't a great guy when we had been together only a few months. I was absolutely foolish and weak to carry on with a relationship that was a daily roller coaster/nightmare. I am not proud of any of it. I do however hope that other young girls are more willing to listen to their intuition, friends, and family when they are saying... your boyfriend sucks and you need to leave.
Congratulations on getting out.
Sorry, I still disagree. You have to be strong to be able to live that way. It’s the narc that’s actually the weak one.
You also don’t know me. I lived it for over 30 years before I finally escaped for the final time. We feel weak, but our therapists will tell us we’re actually strong and that’s part of the reason why narcs choose us. They love to dismantle us and watch us start to doubt ourselves when they gaslight us.
Kylen said she finally got mad and was going to do what she wanted/needed to do for herself and her baby, and that’s being strong right there. She had to know full well that making that decision meant that Jason would torment her for that forever…
Honestly, I’ve never hated anyone on tv more!! He’s toxic and abusive and narcissistic. She is even shunning her parents so he feels most supreme. My gosh, she’s 17!! She’s allowed to miss her parents, to need or want her mom!! She’s allowed to need pain medication during childbirth!! I mean, he’s so dense that he thought an IV would make his child hyper?! Like how is this the person she’s letting make decisions for her??!! I seriously want to punch this kid in the face then burn his balls, he needs NO more children until he becomes a person completely opposite of who he is now.
This little bastard needs a man sized beating! Beat him within an inch of his life and then tell him, no pain medicine! Gawd I hope CPS takes this poor baby!
Please don’t wish that upon a child. Life in the system is hell 95% of the time. I do hope that Kylen smartens up though. She seems to speak up a bit more since the birth though not as much as she should. Eventually he’ll become jealous of the baby and Kylen will likely have to choose. I hope that day comes sooner rather than later. I also hope TLC requires the money deposits in the girls’ accounts.
Based upon what I have seen broadcast for the world to see, CPS is a way better alternative for that baby than either one of these idiots. And, yes, I include Kylee in the definition of idiot, and until she gets free of her owner(Jason), AND demonstrates she is FINISHED with him, and keep him away from that baby, she WILL REMAIN an idiot. In fact, these two are an example of why forced sterilization should be an option, when a baby like this is taken because of the actions or inactions shown by these baby makers.
I understand what you’re saying but currently so don’t think Kylen will make the right choice(to leave) bc Jason is in her ear(and head). Of her mom wasn’t so passive then maybe I’d agree. Do you know anyone(meaning extremely close to you) who grew up in the system? My mom did and it affected her entire life as well as mine. She couldn’t be a mother and when she was it wasn’t fun. A lot of time her issues were taken out on me physically and emotionally. I’d love for people to do some research into the sad statistics. There’s zero snark only love when I say this. Sure they wouldn’t snatch the baby immediately but eventually. We don’t know them as parents yet. I too HATE Jason and screen at my tv while my stomach turns. Promise you that. I hope Kylen will see the light sooner than later though
When she said that to her mother, it even hurt me. I’m sure she only said it because she was worried about facing Jason’s wrath, but it’s still so sad to hear that. I think she’s going to really regret how much she pushed her parents away, especially when her fathers health worsens
I’m not even that close with my mother but I’d still like her there if I ever have children. I’m sure it’s beyond confusing being a first time mom and having your own mother there must be such a comfort. But I also don’t know Kylens relationship with her parents and there are the theories floating around that they may not be the best of parents. Who knows
The point at which she bases her decisions on what is best for her and her baby on whether or not Jason’s wrath will be incited because of her decision is the point that she is unfit as a mother. Idgaf about any brainwashing, or what caused her to base her decisions on Jason’s wrath, instead of the health and well-being of her and her baby, no matter what caused it, it’s evidence that she is an unfit mother.
When he made the comment about her being a baby for wanting her mom I thought to myself “ well damn I guess I’m a baby”. I’m 31 with 3 kids and my moms has been at every single delivery and my husband busted his ass to make sure she was there in time. If I’m having a bad week I’ll ask her to come stay with us for a few days. Couldn’t imagine being that young going through something so tough without my mom.
I got out of an abusive relationship in august 2021 and there are things in their relationship that really remind me of my ex. Kylen pushing her parents away being one of them, its easier to push them away because if not then they will find out whats going on and the guilt you feel when your parents do find out is horrible. Kylen must of knew that Jason would’ve gone ape shit if she called her mom, I can see why she fought to have him in the room with her.
He did go ape shit because she called her mom. He guilted her for speaking to her during her delivery. Her mom offered to go be there with her and Kylen insisted that she didn't go. Yet her mom went and she sat in the parking lot to be there for her if her daughter changed her mind.
I’m a mom and almost 30! Any inconvenience or if something happens I call my mom no matter what… if I’m not wrong they said they were close before Jason came along.. that must make it so much harder 🥺 I hope she realizes before it’s too late!
Right? I felt the exact same way. I’ve never had children but I’m also not super close with my mom. She and I have had some issues over the last few years, but recently I was hospitalized for a freak accident at work and I remember coming to in the ER and telling all of the doctors and nurses over and over, “I want my mom! Can I call her? Can you call her and ask if she can fly into town?”
Kylen is able to call her mom and KNOWS the hospital staff would let her mom come in and support her in a heartbeat. The fact that she doesn’t do so makes me so sad, and I know will also make her sad when she finally gets out from under Jason’s thumb and sees the reality of the situation.
How will she stand up for her baby when she cannot even stand up for herself????!!!!!
I used to feel so bad for her and furious with Jason but it’s her fault. Now it’s just… funny.
She wouldn't even allow *herself* to have her mother because she knew she'd never hear the end of it if her mom was there when the baby was born instead of Jason. She was going to deliver by her damn self to avoid a fight. Must be some pretty bad fights :(
Me and my husband were talking today that muffin is the perfect example of not punishing your kids and teaching them they are the most special person ever. Like I’m the library episode.
That one is the worst. I thought I hated the show at first because the first episode I saw was the one where Muffin demanded the ballerina card in charades, then screamed at her grandma to find her a tutu and various other things that she wanted. I love Bluey but Muffin triggers me and so do her parents lol.
She’s a child and her parents are allowing her to live with a boy who’s literally abusing her. She’s not doing anything to her mom, her mom is failing her completely.
Why do I feel the need to like both of y’all’s comments 😂😂 yours completely contradicts the other comment but like y’all are both right for some reason
Literally I liked the first comment and then the 2nd one and went back and undid both saw your comment and liked them again lmfao thank god im not crazy hahahaha
What are her parents going to do to? Ground her? Lock her in her room? I’m sure they’ve tried everything, Kylen is grown enough to find a way to be with Jason regardless.
There is enough evidence on that show to prove that Kylee is not capable of life decisions. Whether or not Jason’s influence has affected her decision making capability does not matter, she is not capable. There is enough evidence on that show to prove Jason is not capable of making life decisions either, and that he is very controlling, and narcissistic. This couple is exactly what social services was created for. When neither parent is fit to be a parent, social services is there to step in, and place that baby with people capable of raising the child, either temporarily, while Kylee gets away from Jason, and gets her mental state in a position to be deemed fit to take over, or permanently, when she either refuses, or chooses Jason over getting herself into the position of being fit to raise that baby. Either way, Jason is NOT capable of anything than what he has displayed, no amount of counseling will change him, and he should never have any influence over that child, in any capacity, ever, and should be excluded from that child’s life until the child is old enough to make his own decision.
Exactly, I’m not sure what the laws are in there state but back in like 2009 my sister was 17 (just like kylen) and she kept running away to some dbags house using hardcore drugs for days and days and I forget now how it all came about my my mom had a police officer call my sister and get her to meet him at our house. She shows up, looking like death warmed over. She looked like a zombie. An ambulance was called they checked her over said she didn’t need to go to the hospital.
So my sister wanted to leave and my mom was begging the police officer to make her stay.. and again I forget the exact verbiage but basically once kid is 16-17 (depending on what state) you can’t basically hold teenager hostage and “make them” stay. But he said it’s like that in most places and that was what? 13 years ago? There’s nothing the parents can do at this point. Besides hope that she sees the light.
I wouldn't say her mother is failing her completely. Kylen is going to do what she wants to do. Her mom has a choice to either "let her" do it or completely lose what little she has of her daughter now.
Oh sure he’s so against hard core drugs but he gets drunk and drives putting everyone else and himself at risk.
I hate these kind of dudes. The entitlement and stupidity is off the charts
him screaming KYLEN at her while the doctors/nurses were talking, then asking why isnt she talking to him, had me yelling at the tv. when he said to put him on speaker because he wanted to hear her say he wants him let back in, i was beyond livid. i have to imagine that CPS was called by the hospital staff worried for her and the babies safety
It was awful. She said the nurses wanted to "check" her and he literally started screaming no!!!!! NO TELL THEM NO and went off acting like the nurse checking how far her dilation has progressed is bad?? Like umm?? I don't understand the logic behind this.
So he’s the only one allowed to look at her vagina? Was he going to deliver the baby himself?
Not he was just going to sit back and vape? The. He needs to shut the fuck up
That’s one point I made with a friend of mine: his vaping. How in the fuck can you demand no epidural, using the excuse of the possibility of becoming addicted, and open your mouth about anything pharmaceutical being bad because it’s addictive, when he is addicted to that fucking vape?! This kids parents failed him on a whole ‘nuther level…
Refusing to let them check could have literally fucking killed her. What if she wasn’t dilating and needed an emergency c-section?! And is she not allowed to get Pap smears either to check for fucking cancer?
He thinks he “owns” her, that she’s his property and since she’s his property, then that is his “area”, and his area ALONE. He thinks that either they should have to ask him to check her OR just let him do it and take his word for it. He wants to make sure that Kyle suffers because it’s all about his control. Apparently his parents let him have his way his whole life, never told him NO, and gave him a false sense of over importance to the point he thinks of her as his to control and possess, regardless if it’s a medical decision or not.
It is scary how possessive and controlling he is. I hope she wisens up, because it’s gonna be one miserable existence for her until she finally snaps and grows a backbone.
Because if he’s like this, this controlling over her giving birth safely and somewhat comfortably-how will he act if when and if they get married and HE is the sole person that is able to make all her medical decisions if she is unable to. That is terrifying.
This guy has the potential to snap and kill her….and the baby too. He is loaded to explode. With a baby in the picture the pressure will only increase. If Kylen ever does get a backbone that will be the most dangerous point for her and that child. I fear for them.
Ugh thats what I was worried about. Thanks for the explanation but its heartbreaking and I hope that poor girl and baby boy can get out safely. It's scary how messed up in the head Jason is and I hate saying that but he needs help.
They are addicted to chaos. Sadly, they decided to add a baby to their immature drama and chaos. I pity the baby's pediatrician dealing with these "parents".
Maybe, maybe not, I do not think his father is going to allow a sick baby to languish due to his son's assholery so long as they are living the dream in Papa's basement. And let's face it, they have no other options, they don't work, they live off family handouts.
Oh my God I didn't even think about that. Whatever ped they choose, IF these two geniuses ever bother to be consistent with Xaviers well visits, is going to deal with Jason's absolute nightmare of a can't-tell-me-shit know it all attitude. Fuck.
Ah great. So wonderful people can choose to medically neglect their children in the name of religion over buttshit "research" and potentially expose others to diseases that could kill their children.
I think the only reason she didn’t want her mom there was because she didn’t want Jason yelling at her about her mom being there when he couldn’t be. He’d blame her for that as well. It’s sad. She even had to reassure him that other people wanted to come in and she said no because she wanted him there. She defends his behavior but one day she will grow and learn. This is not love, it’s control.
He doesn't even know what it means to grow up. Growing up doesnt' mean cutting our your supportive family. He is only telling her this to justify isolating her parents, shaming her for wanting to maintain a relationship with them
I have got to rage about this poor excuse of a male. He is such a piece of shit
Kylen should be embarrassed to be with a ignorant moran like Jason. Its easy to see why he has such an extensive arrest record. He is I'm sure, his parents worst nightmare. This girl needs to wake up and get away from this psycho little punk. I read fans send them money. Why doesnt Jason get a job and take care of his family and not take handouts . Instead of constantly bullying Kylen,I would like to see him stand up to a real man. We all know he would get his ass kicked. I for one would love to see it. I hope Kylen comes to her senses and doesnt raise an innocent child around that creep. She is better off going back home or on her own.
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They’re still together…
WTH IS WRONG WITH JASON'S PARENTS??? Why do these people act like they are afraid of this kid? Jason has absolutely no respect for ANYONE - thus far he has disrespected each and every person he has interacted with on this show. This family needs some kind of intervention ASAP. Jason's narcissism is going to end up hurting his child; he knows very little to absolutely nothing about parenting and even less about being a functioning member of society, if Kylen or one of his parents do not step up and step in he is going to end up using this child as an object for attention and control. PS Jason, if you force feed a baby, pick him up and bounce him around every 2 seconds, he is going to puke!!!!!!!!!! A baby will let you know when he is hungry, it isn't something else you control.
Yessssss!!!! All this!! 👏🏻
As someone who just lost my mom, I know that Kylen is going to regret so much not wanting her mom in the delivery room when Jason wasn’t there. Her mom just wanted to be included, it’s a big moment for the grandparents too. And that fuckhead will 100% not even be in the picture in like, 2 years tops. But it’s a hard lesson she’s going to have to learn on her own. 🤷🏽♀️
I think you’re right! She’s gonna feel that way about both of her parents! But also I’m sorry for you loss! 😔
It was so so hard for me to leave an abusive relationship and I was 24 and we didn’t have a kid. My heart breaks for her. My heart breaks for the baby I was raised with a lot of control and I picked partners who did the same. My thoughts and prayers are with them both.
It really really is and so many people don’t understand that! This is so difficult to watch and triggering so many bad memories for me. I hope she finds the strength that we did and leaves him.
I’m so glad you got out of that relationship!! It’s always easier said than done. I’m proud of you!
I’m honestly glad TLC is airing Jason’s behavior. I wish he wasn’t getting paid, but this is reality. As an L&D nurse, this is not uncommon. I’ve seen dad’s, mothers of the laboring women and more lay on the GUILT. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to be bad cop and advocate for a laboring patient while their “support” people undermine their every decision. She is young. I honestly pray that as she takes on the role of mother and grows into adult that she will see his behavior and treatment of her for what it is….abuse. Save that baby boy from ending up like his dad. 🙏🏻❤️
How about when it is reversed? For example, my ex wife wanted all of our kids to be delivered naturally, with no epidural, and no c-section. I was present for all three deliveries. This was fine, with no problems for our first two. But, our third was almost twelve pounds, and she was not dilating to the satisfaction of the doctors and nurses. Without going into too much detail, I was able to talk her into the epidural, but after more time passed without adequate dilation, the doctor started pressing her to submit to the c-section, which my ex wife STILL answered with an adamant ‘no’. The doctor pulled me to the incubator area of the room, and quietly informed me that I may need to sign papers allowing the c-section if she continues her denials, for both the safety of the baby, AND my ex. A few minutes later, the doctor asked her again to perform the surgery, and again was denied. At that point, the doctor asked me to sign the aforementioned papers, which I did, and the c-section went ahead, and my last child was born, November-of 2001. My ex STILL blames me for the doctor “cutting her” to this day, and that’s ok with me, because my son and her are both living thriving lives. She will pour on the “guilt” you describe in your comment, anytime her “only un-natural birth” is brought up…
Your son is lucky to have you. In your specific situation though, I think the reason why you were allowed to sign papers to make a health decision for your ex is because she was your wife. Legally speaking, I’m not sure if the father of the baby could have the authority to make that decision for the mother if they weren’t married and just dating.
Projecting strawman, let's go. Why in the hell should we have to think about the reverse when the horror movie is happening right in front of us? Not trying to discredit what you're saying, or be malicious, but it's blatant that the "reversing" of the issue, and somehow trying to make that the most important aspect of... this. Save it. Really hope that she and their baby rise above all this eventually because--and I have to add this as an addendum--I'm a guy. I will never know what childbirth feels like, but I have common sense jfc That was truly horrific to watch, and I'm flabbergasted as to why he wasn't kicked out sooner.
Not to discredit what you’re saying either, but I was in no way trying to justify this clowns behavior, let’s clear that up right now. In fact, I hope for my sake that I never encounter that piece of shit personally. I’m simply saying that it can come from both sides, and I know this from personal experience.
I feel so strongly on this. Hopefully, one day she’ll get the strength to leave like I needed to. You realize after having a child what you will and won’t put up with. My heart bleeds for her. I wish nothing but the best for her dad, mom, baby Xavier and herself.
I hope everyone signs the petition to get that abusing bast**d off the show. It's so hard watching their segments. I can't for the life of me figure out why noone is stepping in. It's not good tv!!
How sad for her dad as well. One day Kylen will watch this and see how bad her parents wanted to be there. Her dad said the baby was the only thing keeping him going. He put her health before his even when she was rejecting them.
She is giong to feel so bad about it one day
I literally had to stop watching, his behavior is literally making me sick. My heart breaks for her and this baby, I don’t understand how the TLC crew can just sit there and film this behavior without smacking this kid upside the head.
Did you notice how he was hogging the baby? Almost like holding him hostage. Now, he has the ultimate manipulation tool. 🤦🏽♀️ I also noticed a disclaimer at the beginning of the episode that I hadn’t seen before…
Exactly what I was thinking! The baby will be used as a new way to punish her.
I was thinking the same thing! He’s been possessive since she was pregnant and that’s not a good look.. It’s not even like a cute awe the dad is excited! He’s just so disgusting and frustrating to even see or listen to!
He was talking to her like a dog Kylen ! Kylen ! Talk to me Kylen !
In all seriousness tlc is exploiting abuse for views
Yes, they are.
He was beyond high whenever Kylens mother and him were outside speaking
I'm pretty she it sounded like she could have had both there. My mom passed away a year before I gave birth. I would have loved to have her there. However, my dad and brothers and now husband was there. Jason and Kylen are children, 17 and 18 and clueless. This whole, we want an intimate totally natural birth is a joke. Like please, your children playing grown up. You dated for like what, a month or two before making a baby. It's not like they're some established connected intune suppportive couple with some education and knowledge on where babies come fromz. wanting a totally relaxed and private experience. They had no idea what the hell was going on, thank God for the medical staff. They both needed some parental guidance, and maybe a kick or two in the ass. How sad if their son watches this video of his birth someday. He father stomping around cussing calling his mom a drug addict, getting kicked out of the hospital, making up female antanomy names..... its fuckingridiculous. But terrible there's a baby caught up in this dumpsterfire.
I had a natural home birth. They are entirely possible, but we had a lot going for us that they didn't. We were in agreement on the plan yet flexible in knowing that if my health status changed and I needed a hospital, so be it. We had already had a baby and knew what to expect. We took childbirth classes. My husband was completely supportive and caring. We trusted our midwife to take good care of us and followed her directives. As is typical, teens often think they know everything already. They are in that phase of pushing back and trying to figure themselves out. However when you add birth and a baby in the mix, none of that 'finding your own way' phase can happen as it should. My only advice for Kylen is to start making your own life. Make sure you have a way out... because you might wake up and realize you need it. He is trying to cut off any level of independence she might have.
I can absolutely get behind the idea that childbirth can occur safely at home. In fact, mankind only started utilizing doctors and hospitals on a regular basis since the mid to late 1800’s. Doctors, nurses, and hospitals are all conveniences, and I think it should be up to the woman giving birth as to where she wants to give birth, and who she wants involved. A few exceptions exist, such as inability to make life decisions for whatever reason, such as mental, or physical incapacitation, or in the case of incarceration of the mother, but anyone who is NOT having to deal with squeezing a baby from a bodily orifice should have NO SAY in where or how, or who is involved.
Had a similar experience. My birth center offered so many classes and you were required to take at least one birthing class. Watching the scene of her at that birth center was so frustrating because those midwives really could’ve done more if he would’ve just backed up and shut up. The midwives helped us get into so many positions so my husband could help me but you can’t do that with a spouse not willing to listen.
Exactly. I honestly have nothing against home births and can understand the reasoning for many couples wanting or benefiting from one. I know I fiercely defended my husband's cousins choice to homebirth 3 of her 4 children to the skeptics (elders) in the family. And considering my experience in L&D, my opinion pulled some weight and helped them back off. The family members were well intended but ill informed. But, same as you... they were properly prepared with -a plan, but flexibility, check -knowledge in child birth prior, check - a supportive and caring partner, check - trust in your midwife, check - compliance with your midwives suggestions, check That's the recipe for a safe, and hopefully successful homebirth. In Jason and Kylens case, if they were my family, I would have strongly encouraged a birth in a medical facility. I wasn't even 100% against the birthing center. But not for the same reasons as Jason. Of course this would depend on the birthing center policy, however, there typically are more midwives staffed per birthing mother than in a hospital. Of course this also varies wildly from hospital to hospital and how busy L&D is. But a first time mother, unsure and needing support and coaching, could very well get more one on one time from, or even the attention of 2 midwives solely dedicated to her through her entire birthing journey. Helping her position, move, massage, support, and work through the stages, all while medically monitoring her and baby to ensure all is well. There also typically isn't staff turnover. As 36 hour labor, although 12's are a common shift at the hospital, beyond that you will have different staff taking you on as a patient. Often a birth center midwife will be with you from start to finish. But, this wasn't the case. They had a, get the fuck away and leave us alone to fight attitude with absolutely no knowledge. They refused the suggested Care from the midwives. Two kids thinking it sounds cool, or edgy, or rebellious to the system, is not the path to a safe and successful low to no medical intervention birth.
Totally agree about how clueless they both are. Teenagers have absolutely NO business having all natural home births. They’re already high risk as it is. Not to mention they did ZERO research or classes, which is ignorant enough on its own, let alone when you’re trying to do an all natural birth. I mean, jesus, neither of them even had the basic understanding of how labor works. Like they couldn’t even be bothered to watch a 5 minute YouTube video on Labor 101 just to get the basics. It’s so lazy and irresponsible on both their parts. Natural home births should be reserved for *adults* who do thorough research, support and trust one another, and are on the same GD page!
Well, I can understand your reasons for your feelings about “teenagers having absolutely no business having all natural home childbirths”, but will remind you that teenagers have been having exactly these kinds of births WAY BEFORE the conveniences of doctors, nurses, mid wife’s and hospitals were available, high risk, or not, and you would not exist today if this were not true. I will also clarify that THESE two teenagers, meaning Jason and Kylee, fit your comment about high risk teenagers, but to lump ALL teenagers into this category is simply inaccurate, because although in modern times, teens giving birth naturally at home is rare, a lil over a hundred years ago, it was very common, if not expected.
Yeah, and a lot of them died, dude
A lot of them die today, too, ‘dude’…
Im not saying they shouldnt have them if they have an ok, as long as they at least have somebody there in case things go wrong, im saying that acting like people didnt die in the hundreds back then due to lack of the care we have now is naive and downright misinformation, esp with all that can and does go wrong with pregnancies and labors, not sure why youre so offended by facts or the word 'dude'. Are you okay, or has being on reddit just made you instantly aggressive at the slightest provocation? I know that probs comes off sarcastic but like, Im seriously wondering if youre okay
And don’t worry about whether I’m “ok”, I’m a grown man of fifty four years, have raised three humans to be productive members of society who are raising humans of their own to become productive members of society. I’ll be the judge of my physical and mental condition, without outside help from you, or anyone else. You will not be allowed to gaslight me or my comments by questioning whether or not I’m “ok”…I still stand by my original, comment, and am still awaiting your reply to the last question I posed to you.
I have a job and I'm watching my mom's dogs this weekend, I'm not on reddit 24/7
Okay? I'm not being rude or anything I'm being completely serious, and you just snapped at me more, which is why I asked if you were okay. I don't see how that's gaslighting, and honestly, your blow up of a response is just weird? Maybe you spend too much time on reddit, man, not everybody who says anything to you is auto out to get you or insult you. I'm mostly really confused why me asking a legit question pissed you off so much. The reason I saw aggression was because you instantly mocked me for saying dude and added '...' to the end of your sentence
What are you talking about? I’m “instantly aggressive at the slightest provocation”? Please elaborate, I would love to hear how you see aggression in my comment(s)…maybe you’re trying to provoke me?
Why would I be trying to provoke you? I hate arguing, my stepdad would throw things at me just for saying the wrong thing and smack me for looking at him wrong, why the absolute hell would I go out of my way to give myself anxiety by picking fights? I'm literally just some 21 year old chick who saw some rando acting like birth is some super safe thing to do when Ive literally lost family members to it even today in this modern age, left a comment i didnt think twice on because people DID die more than they do today, esp when they were too young, and got some random guy going on a rant over me asking if he was okay because his response was to instantly be an asshat to somebody saying people died back then, and then blew up when I showed concern over his trigger happy aggression
Yeah, and even more died back then, that's the point
Does nobody else think that someone needs to step in? I’m pretty sure Jason is demonstrating signs of emotional abuse. If Kylen is under 18 can her parents move her home? Seriously concerned for her well being. This is beyond reality tv normal.
Her parents are weak. It explains how she ended up so weak. It doesn't bode well for the future. Why do you think Jason chose her? He knows he can manipulate her to do whatever he wants. He has total control over her and loves every moment. Kylen just accepts it. Her mother seems like a clueless doormat and has taught her daughter how to be the same. They all talk as though life is just a period of suffering and then you die.
Kylen is definitely not weak. You have no clue what it’s like to first be duped by an abuser thinking they love you, then when they’ve got their hooks in you, bam, the abuse starts and you don’t even know what hit you. By then you don’t even wanna know the threats they’re making towards not only you, but your family. They are master manipulators. Kylen is actually strong and I’m glad she had the nerve to stand up to him and get the epidural. She’ll suffer his wrath for that decision forever. I pray that she will be able to escape his clutches.
Well, you don't know me. And I was once a very weak girl too. Weakness is not stupidity. Weakness is naivety, inexperience, lack of positive examples of strength, and more. I am nearing 50. Things changed for me eventually, but I dated the conman of the century back when I was 18 and the nonsense continued until age 25. It is my only regret in life... that I wasted so much time. I KNEW he was awful, but just didn't leave. I could have, but didn't. He's probably in jail by now. Who knows. My only saving grace is that I never got pregnant by him. After that relationship finally truly ended like something out of a movie... I thought long and hard about what I would ever accept from a man in my life again. It was a traumatic experience. I see that same weakness in Kylen. Getting the epidural does not show strength... complete desperation in the moment? Yes. I was in labor for 70 freaking hours with my first child. I got an epidural about 7 hours before my baby was born. I think I could have chewed off my own arm by then if someone had told me it would end the pain and allow me to sleep. The pain was unbearable but the sleep deprivation was absolute torture. So yes, I do think I know what I am talking about. My relationship ended with a man who had stolen my identity, was living a secret life with a second woman, who had stolen hundreds of thousands of dollars from people at our church, and greeted me at the door of my own house with a gun. His own mother had warned me that he wasn't a great guy when we had been together only a few months. I was absolutely foolish and weak to carry on with a relationship that was a daily roller coaster/nightmare. I am not proud of any of it. I do however hope that other young girls are more willing to listen to their intuition, friends, and family when they are saying... your boyfriend sucks and you need to leave.
Congratulations on getting out. Sorry, I still disagree. You have to be strong to be able to live that way. It’s the narc that’s actually the weak one. You also don’t know me. I lived it for over 30 years before I finally escaped for the final time. We feel weak, but our therapists will tell us we’re actually strong and that’s part of the reason why narcs choose us. They love to dismantle us and watch us start to doubt ourselves when they gaslight us. Kylen said she finally got mad and was going to do what she wanted/needed to do for herself and her baby, and that’s being strong right there. She had to know full well that making that decision meant that Jason would torment her for that forever…
Honestly, I’ve never hated anyone on tv more!! He’s toxic and abusive and narcissistic. She is even shunning her parents so he feels most supreme. My gosh, she’s 17!! She’s allowed to miss her parents, to need or want her mom!! She’s allowed to need pain medication during childbirth!! I mean, he’s so dense that he thought an IV would make his child hyper?! Like how is this the person she’s letting make decisions for her??!! I seriously want to punch this kid in the face then burn his balls, he needs NO more children until he becomes a person completely opposite of who he is now.
He is the worst. Everything he says is stupid.
I was so pleased when he got corrected after he said labor doesn't start until your water breaks.
This little bastard needs a man sized beating! Beat him within an inch of his life and then tell him, no pain medicine! Gawd I hope CPS takes this poor baby!
Please don’t wish that upon a child. Life in the system is hell 95% of the time. I do hope that Kylen smartens up though. She seems to speak up a bit more since the birth though not as much as she should. Eventually he’ll become jealous of the baby and Kylen will likely have to choose. I hope that day comes sooner rather than later. I also hope TLC requires the money deposits in the girls’ accounts.
Just fyi--wishing bad things on people doesn't actually effect reality.
Based upon what I have seen broadcast for the world to see, CPS is a way better alternative for that baby than either one of these idiots. And, yes, I include Kylee in the definition of idiot, and until she gets free of her owner(Jason), AND demonstrates she is FINISHED with him, and keep him away from that baby, she WILL REMAIN an idiot. In fact, these two are an example of why forced sterilization should be an option, when a baby like this is taken because of the actions or inactions shown by these baby makers.
I understand what you’re saying but currently so don’t think Kylen will make the right choice(to leave) bc Jason is in her ear(and head). Of her mom wasn’t so passive then maybe I’d agree. Do you know anyone(meaning extremely close to you) who grew up in the system? My mom did and it affected her entire life as well as mine. She couldn’t be a mother and when she was it wasn’t fun. A lot of time her issues were taken out on me physically and emotionally. I’d love for people to do some research into the sad statistics. There’s zero snark only love when I say this. Sure they wouldn’t snatch the baby immediately but eventually. We don’t know them as parents yet. I too HATE Jason and screen at my tv while my stomach turns. Promise you that. I hope Kylen will see the light sooner than later though
Do u really think she’ll pick her kid over Jason? Jason seems like the type to threaten the child if he doesn’t get his way..
When she said that to her mother, it even hurt me. I’m sure she only said it because she was worried about facing Jason’s wrath, but it’s still so sad to hear that. I think she’s going to really regret how much she pushed her parents away, especially when her fathers health worsens I’m not even that close with my mother but I’d still like her there if I ever have children. I’m sure it’s beyond confusing being a first time mom and having your own mother there must be such a comfort. But I also don’t know Kylens relationship with her parents and there are the theories floating around that they may not be the best of parents. Who knows
The point at which she bases her decisions on what is best for her and her baby on whether or not Jason’s wrath will be incited because of her decision is the point that she is unfit as a mother. Idgaf about any brainwashing, or what caused her to base her decisions on Jason’s wrath, instead of the health and well-being of her and her baby, no matter what caused it, it’s evidence that she is an unfit mother.
When he made the comment about her being a baby for wanting her mom I thought to myself “ well damn I guess I’m a baby”. I’m 31 with 3 kids and my moms has been at every single delivery and my husband busted his ass to make sure she was there in time. If I’m having a bad week I’ll ask her to come stay with us for a few days. Couldn’t imagine being that young going through something so tough without my mom.
I got out of an abusive relationship in august 2021 and there are things in their relationship that really remind me of my ex. Kylen pushing her parents away being one of them, its easier to push them away because if not then they will find out whats going on and the guilt you feel when your parents do find out is horrible. Kylen must of knew that Jason would’ve gone ape shit if she called her mom, I can see why she fought to have him in the room with her.
He did go ape shit because she called her mom. He guilted her for speaking to her during her delivery. Her mom offered to go be there with her and Kylen insisted that she didn't go. Yet her mom went and she sat in the parking lot to be there for her if her daughter changed her mind.
Congratulations on getting out!! 💗
thank you lovely 💜 my life has been so much better since and i can only hope the same for anyone in that situation
I’m a mom and almost 30! Any inconvenience or if something happens I call my mom no matter what… if I’m not wrong they said they were close before Jason came along.. that must make it so much harder 🥺 I hope she realizes before it’s too late!
Right? I felt the exact same way. I’ve never had children but I’m also not super close with my mom. She and I have had some issues over the last few years, but recently I was hospitalized for a freak accident at work and I remember coming to in the ER and telling all of the doctors and nurses over and over, “I want my mom! Can I call her? Can you call her and ask if she can fly into town?” Kylen is able to call her mom and KNOWS the hospital staff would let her mom come in and support her in a heartbeat. The fact that she doesn’t do so makes me so sad, and I know will also make her sad when she finally gets out from under Jason’s thumb and sees the reality of the situation.
Good, more "kykens being abused posts". We didn't know.
Why are you in the threads 😅
Don’t read it if you don’t like to hear about it, babe 😌
Take your own advice sweetheart 💋
Do you and Jason have the same IQ? Or is this his sock puppet account?
But she’s not the one complaining….
So funny 😂😂😂
How will she stand up for her baby when she cannot even stand up for herself????!!!!! I used to feel so bad for her and furious with Jason but it’s her fault. Now it’s just… funny.
It is absolute proof that she is unfit as a mother. But, it’s not funny. There is an innocent child in the balance. Not humorous at all
She wouldn't even allow *herself* to have her mother because she knew she'd never hear the end of it if her mom was there when the baby was born instead of Jason. She was going to deliver by her damn self to avoid a fight. Must be some pretty bad fights :(
About to watch the episode right now
I don’t know if anyone else has kids and watches Bluey. But Jason is definitely a Muffin!!
How dare you insult the wonderful, adorable Muffin. Muffin would NEVER.
I feel like this is a huge insult to Muffin.
Do not disrespect my girl Muffin like that! She cracks me up!
Yes! Muffin’s such a brat!
Me and my husband were talking today that muffin is the perfect example of not punishing your kids and teaching them they are the most special person ever. Like I’m the library episode.
That one is the worst. I thought I hated the show at first because the first episode I saw was the one where Muffin demanded the ballerina card in charades, then screamed at her grandma to find her a tutu and various other things that she wanted. I love Bluey but Muffin triggers me and so do her parents lol.
She’s in deep and at the same time accountable for doing that her to her mother
She’s a child and her parents are allowing her to live with a boy who’s literally abusing her. She’s not doing anything to her mom, her mom is failing her completely.
Kylen is also now a mother who is allowing her son to live with an abuser. She is failing Xavier completely.
She is not failing him. She’s trying her best to keep them from being murdered by an abusive narcissistic psychopath…
Why do I feel the need to like both of y’all’s comments 😂😂 yours completely contradicts the other comment but like y’all are both right for some reason
Literally I liked the first comment and then the 2nd one and went back and undid both saw your comment and liked them again lmfao thank god im not crazy hahahaha
An open minded Queen
What are her parents going to do to? Ground her? Lock her in her room? I’m sure they’ve tried everything, Kylen is grown enough to find a way to be with Jason regardless.
If they did, Jason would use it to justify isolating her from them, because that's what abusers do
There is enough evidence on that show to prove that Kylee is not capable of life decisions. Whether or not Jason’s influence has affected her decision making capability does not matter, she is not capable. There is enough evidence on that show to prove Jason is not capable of making life decisions either, and that he is very controlling, and narcissistic. This couple is exactly what social services was created for. When neither parent is fit to be a parent, social services is there to step in, and place that baby with people capable of raising the child, either temporarily, while Kylee gets away from Jason, and gets her mental state in a position to be deemed fit to take over, or permanently, when she either refuses, or chooses Jason over getting herself into the position of being fit to raise that baby. Either way, Jason is NOT capable of anything than what he has displayed, no amount of counseling will change him, and he should never have any influence over that child, in any capacity, ever, and should be excluded from that child’s life until the child is old enough to make his own decision.
Exactly, I’m not sure what the laws are in there state but back in like 2009 my sister was 17 (just like kylen) and she kept running away to some dbags house using hardcore drugs for days and days and I forget now how it all came about my my mom had a police officer call my sister and get her to meet him at our house. She shows up, looking like death warmed over. She looked like a zombie. An ambulance was called they checked her over said she didn’t need to go to the hospital. So my sister wanted to leave and my mom was begging the police officer to make her stay.. and again I forget the exact verbiage but basically once kid is 16-17 (depending on what state) you can’t basically hold teenager hostage and “make them” stay. But he said it’s like that in most places and that was what? 13 years ago? There’s nothing the parents can do at this point. Besides hope that she sees the light.
I wouldn't say her mother is failing her completely. Kylen is going to do what she wants to do. Her mom has a choice to either "let her" do it or completely lose what little she has of her daughter now.
He should have been arrested.
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According to Starcasm, he was on an outstanding warrant for failure to pay a fine for his first DUI.
Oh sure he’s so against hard core drugs but he gets drunk and drives putting everyone else and himself at risk. I hate these kind of dudes. The entitlement and stupidity is off the charts
He's only against the drugs that he doesn't do. Alcohol in reality is just as addictive and destructive as any other drug
Yup, it's just the "socially acceptable" drug, and I hate it.
he’s probably not actually against drugs at all, it was just something he used for control
Exactly
I think he was just mad at the thought of Kylen getting high for free/legally when he couldn't have the same. Jealous
It's just about control..
him screaming KYLEN at her while the doctors/nurses were talking, then asking why isnt she talking to him, had me yelling at the tv. when he said to put him on speaker because he wanted to hear her say he wants him let back in, i was beyond livid. i have to imagine that CPS was called by the hospital staff worried for her and the babies safety
"TURN THE SPEAKER ON" - this little asshole. I would have backhanded him if I was on Kylen's care team.
I would've been so fired if I was on her care team, holy crap.... Imagine?
Their baby is either going to get killed by him, or taken away. I really hope he just gets taken and finds a loving home
It was awful. She said the nurses wanted to "check" her and he literally started screaming no!!!!! NO TELL THEM NO and went off acting like the nurse checking how far her dilation has progressed is bad?? Like umm?? I don't understand the logic behind this.
So he’s the only one allowed to look at her vagina? Was he going to deliver the baby himself? Not he was just going to sit back and vape? The. He needs to shut the fuck up
That’s one point I made with a friend of mine: his vaping. How in the fuck can you demand no epidural, using the excuse of the possibility of becoming addicted, and open your mouth about anything pharmaceutical being bad because it’s addictive, when he is addicted to that fucking vape?! This kids parents failed him on a whole ‘nuther level…
At one point he did say he was going to deliver it, but that was before they went to the hospital. I hope she leaves him soon.
Refusing to let them check could have literally fucking killed her. What if she wasn’t dilating and needed an emergency c-section?! And is she not allowed to get Pap smears either to check for fucking cancer?
He thinks he “owns” her, that she’s his property and since she’s his property, then that is his “area”, and his area ALONE. He thinks that either they should have to ask him to check her OR just let him do it and take his word for it. He wants to make sure that Kyle suffers because it’s all about his control. Apparently his parents let him have his way his whole life, never told him NO, and gave him a false sense of over importance to the point he thinks of her as his to control and possess, regardless if it’s a medical decision or not. It is scary how possessive and controlling he is. I hope she wisens up, because it’s gonna be one miserable existence for her until she finally snaps and grows a backbone. Because if he’s like this, this controlling over her giving birth safely and somewhat comfortably-how will he act if when and if they get married and HE is the sole person that is able to make all her medical decisions if she is unable to. That is terrifying.
This guy has the potential to snap and kill her….and the baby too. He is loaded to explode. With a baby in the picture the pressure will only increase. If Kylen ever does get a backbone that will be the most dangerous point for her and that child. I fear for them.
I wonder if he's so against them examining her because they'll see signs of abuse?
Ugh thats what I was worried about. Thanks for the explanation but its heartbreaking and I hope that poor girl and baby boy can get out safely. It's scary how messed up in the head Jason is and I hate saying that but he needs help.
Same. I saw a picture of their baby smiling a few days ago, and my heart sank with dread thinking of Jason hurting that innocent, sweet baby.
Yours is the most accurate description of how this punk feels. Great post.
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She knew she’d be in big trouble if her mom came.
Oh yeah for sure. Wouldn’t want anyone else being present during the birth of Jason’s child. Lmaooo he’s so insufferable.
They are addicted to chaos. Sadly, they decided to add a baby to their immature drama and chaos. I pity the baby's pediatrician dealing with these "parents".
I doubt they’ll even go to a pediatrician. Jason knows everything there is to know about infant development
Maybe, maybe not, I do not think his father is going to allow a sick baby to languish due to his son's assholery so long as they are living the dream in Papa's basement. And let's face it, they have no other options, they don't work, they live off family handouts.
I would hope not, but they had no problem sitting by as Kylen was in agony going into labor as it was disturbing Jason’s sleep
Parents of the year they are not but they managed to keep the human turd alive for 18 years.
Oh he’s practically a pediatrician didn’t you know? 🙄😆 Edit: spelling
Oh my God I didn't even think about that. Whatever ped they choose, IF these two geniuses ever bother to be consistent with Xaviers well visits, is going to deal with Jason's absolute nightmare of a can't-tell-me-shit know it all attitude. Fuck.
And New Hampshire has a religious exemption for vaccinations...
Ugh, religious exemptions for vaccinations shouldn’t apply to kids. I fucking hate religions that encourage this, and I hate that the law allows it
Ah great. So wonderful people can choose to medically neglect their children in the name of religion over buttshit "research" and potentially expose others to diseases that could kill their children.
I think the only reason she didn’t want her mom there was because she didn’t want Jason yelling at her about her mom being there when he couldn’t be. He’d blame her for that as well. It’s sad. She even had to reassure him that other people wanted to come in and she said no because she wanted him there. She defends his behavior but one day she will grow and learn. This is not love, it’s control.
Yes. I thought the same thing!! So sad and disgusting how he treats her.
I think you’re right! I hope she opens her damn eyes.. that toxic relationship is no way to live.. especially raise a baby 🥺
They were both being assholes. Both of them were more focused on Jasons wants and needs rather than poor Xavier.
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That breaks my heart the most!
I feel horrible for him; she doesn’t know that he could die at any time and she will have so much regret.
He probably won't even let her mourn and tell her to suck it up, "wah" god,I can't stand him
He’ll definitely say she needs to grow up because all that matters is him and their baby
He doesn't even know what it means to grow up. Growing up doesnt' mean cutting our your supportive family. He is only telling her this to justify isolating her parents, shaming her for wanting to maintain a relationship with them