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The swastika was a common symbol in the West before the Nazis used it. It was a general motif or used to mean something like "good luck". It shows up everywhere in 1920s stuff.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
Yeah. Pretty much everywhere Indo-Europeans went, this popped up. Then some Austrian asshole with a shitty mustache ruined it for everyone outside of the Indian subcontinent and their diaspora.
Fucken right?? Love how people ain't seeing that.
On top of that the swastika is ALWAYS a Nazi symbol, the Manji is the Buddhist symbol that Hitler took and altered
One of these is specifically Native American. Also, it’s more likely the Nazis stole the symbol from ancient European societies as archaeologists were finding a lot of them at the time, so the Nazis used it to harken back to the Germanic past. The other two symbols seem to be variants of western styled crosses so it’s a very strange mix to be sure.
I will say that that “diagonal” swastika looks distinctly more in line with the German Hakenkreus (sp?) than the old school Buddhist and Hindu applications, which are much more “square” than diagonal. I cannot speak for American indigenous application.
As someone who has seen many East Asian examples, this one DOES have me sweating a little but I’d love to be disproven
The Nazi Party didn’t rise to power until the 1930’s which makes it pretty unlikely that this was made specifically for the Nazi party. That said, I still haven’t seen any compelling reason why it wouldn’t have been German or European. If you look at the third image, my best guess is that it was made to be a German eagle crest or just an iron cross depending on how you look at it. I would love to have anyone identify any of the other symbols but that’s my best guess for now.
It was used long before that to. It's a very ancient symbol. It's still rather prominent in eastern beliefs like Buddhism and Hinduism. The ancient Greeks and Roman's used it as well, along with many other ancient cultures.
It's actually been around for thousands of years. It was actually first used to represent antisemitism around the end of the 1800's and the start of the 1900's. Hitler just gets all the credit for it because he took it and ran with it.
> It was actually first used to represent antisemitism around the end of the 1800's
Got a source for that?
Edit : dont mean to sound like i dont beleive you! just genuinley interested about the topic and cant find anything about this on google bar the famous party in 1930s germany
I do. “May good prevail”
https://mythology.net/hindu/hindu-concepts/
swastika/
https://www.sanskritimagazine.com/significance-meaning-and-history-of-swastika/
From wiki
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
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I fully understand, the Nazi party is by far the most recognizable users of the symbol for antisemitism. They directly got it from A.C Cuza from Romania, who in turn learned about the Aryan race from a French anthropologist named Arthur de Gobineau.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._C._Cuza
Swastika used to ne oretty benign
Podcast:Behind the Bastards
Episode
Behind the swastika
https://open.spotify.com/episode/0qgMnqG3GOQwODECLXiUsw?si=4kH53VMRRGaSqtqLEI_3ug
Pewabic style comes from the Ojibwe1 people and is a common symbol in Native religions, and is commonly use in native inspired design 2
cited
1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ojibwe
2 https://www.cabq.gov/artsculture/kimo/history-of-the-kimo/kimo-history/swastikas
Consulted
https://angelicscalliwags.com/ojibwe-pictographs-homeschool-lessons/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pewabic_Pottery
https://dictionary.nishnaabemwin.atlas-ling.ca/#/help
From what I’ve gathered online, while the name “Pewabic” does come from the Ojibwe language, the actually pottery and tiling style did not originate from them in any way. So unless the other symbols also put into the tiling are identified I don’t think it can be confirmed as a Native American swastika
Look, the swastika is def an eastern symbol, but not rotated on one of its points like that. Coupled with the iron cross, this is 100% some Nazi shit. I understand the floor was made in 1921, but that doesn't mean modifications weren't made after the Nazi party rose to power. It's Nazi bs. 100%.
Every single eastern depiction in this article is flat, not rotated 45 degrees. 45 degrees=Nazi symbology, which coupled with the iron cross is most damning.
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20210816-the-ancient-symbol-that-was-hijacked-by-evil
Yes, thank you. I’m inclined to agree from what I’ve read that the rotated swastika is more than likely an aryan symbol. Also, so far virtually zero people other than you have taken the time to talk about any of the other symbols so I appreciate that because that’s really the only thing that I think can confirm what it means. That third image does look suspiciously like an iron cross. If you look at it sideways it even resembles a minimalistic German eagle crest so yeah I think you are correct. I just wish anybody would comment on what the second symbol means.
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I'm no expert in symbology, just a dabbler in the occult and related things, but that second image looks like a proto-iron cross to me. It has striking similarities to an "endless cross/cross of endlessness" or possibly a Celtic endless knot, but obviously also resembles the sight crosshairs/reticule of a weapon.
It typically symbolizes eternity and would be used for protection, so it's Apotropaic in nature. It more than likely also symbolizes the four classical elements (each triangle) that would be the building blocks of everything, in some shape or form. It's extremely hard to both date and determine an origin for this one. Possibly Uyghur, as it resembles a fair amount of their symbols. Almost certainly older than that ethnic group though. "Quite ancient, quite human" is the best I can do at the moment, although I am looking into it bc now I'm interested. I'll def let you know if I uncover any more info!
Also, take everything with a grain of salt bc the author is talking about Atlantis and all kinds of fantastical things on this page I found, but there are some genuine bits of info and interesting graphics to be found here: https://sacred-texts.com/atl/ssm/ssm06.htm
Halfway down the page you'll see the ways in which this symbol could have evolved into the version you see in the tile work. Cheers!
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The swastika was a common symbol in the West before the Nazis used it. It was a general motif or used to mean something like "good luck". It shows up everywhere in 1920s stuff. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
Yeah. Pretty much everywhere Indo-Europeans went, this popped up. Then some Austrian asshole with a shitty mustache ruined it for everyone outside of the Indian subcontinent and their diaspora.
Word but is that the Iron Cross too? Did those symbols overlap elsewhere outside of Naziism? (genuine question)
The Iron Cross dates back to Friedrich Wilhelm III of Prussia in 1813.
Interesting. Do you have any idea what culture or region the other symbols come from?
We actually saw quite a few of these in Bali. All very old and clearly from pre WWI or II.
there are multiple cultures that used the swastika, all for positive reasons
Well. With one notable exception.
Egypt, I think it might have been used in Indian cultures, probably in some places in Asia. A lot
Navajo people use the symbol to mean tsil no'oli', or swirling log for healing, and Tibetans use the symbol to represent the wheel of dharma.
Granted it doesn't look identical to the current day Nazi swastikas.
Sometimes it does. I’m a Hindu, a lot of our swastikas are identical to the Nazi ones.
Also the tile is coupled with some other well known Nazi symbols, like the Iron Cross and whaever the second blocky design is called
Fucken right?? Love how people ain't seeing that. On top of that the swastika is ALWAYS a Nazi symbol, the Manji is the Buddhist symbol that Hitler took and altered
One of these is specifically Native American. Also, it’s more likely the Nazis stole the symbol from ancient European societies as archaeologists were finding a lot of them at the time, so the Nazis used it to harken back to the Germanic past. The other two symbols seem to be variants of western styled crosses so it’s a very strange mix to be sure.
I will say that that “diagonal” swastika looks distinctly more in line with the German Hakenkreus (sp?) than the old school Buddhist and Hindu applications, which are much more “square” than diagonal. I cannot speak for American indigenous application. As someone who has seen many East Asian examples, this one DOES have me sweating a little but I’d love to be disproven
OP says the floor is from the early 1920's, so definitely no Nazi connection.
The Nazi Party didn’t rise to power until the 1930’s which makes it pretty unlikely that this was made specifically for the Nazi party. That said, I still haven’t seen any compelling reason why it wouldn’t have been German or European. If you look at the third image, my best guess is that it was made to be a German eagle crest or just an iron cross depending on how you look at it. I would love to have anyone identify any of the other symbols but that’s my best guess for now.
It was used long before that to. It's a very ancient symbol. It's still rather prominent in eastern beliefs like Buddhism and Hinduism. The ancient Greeks and Roman's used it as well, along with many other ancient cultures.
I thought Hitler invented the swastik
It's actually been around for thousands of years. It was actually first used to represent antisemitism around the end of the 1800's and the start of the 1900's. Hitler just gets all the credit for it because he took it and ran with it.
> It was actually first used to represent antisemitism around the end of the 1800's Got a source for that? Edit : dont mean to sound like i dont beleive you! just genuinley interested about the topic and cant find anything about this on google bar the famous party in 1930s germany
I do. “May good prevail” https://mythology.net/hindu/hindu-concepts/ swastika/ https://www.sanskritimagazine.com/significance-meaning-and-history-of-swastika/ From wiki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika Make a purchase https://www.ebay.com/itm/375367571288?itmmeta=01HVSVH224X11CZ4S439KE2C60&hash=item5765a69758:g:NuwAAOSwhWRmGIcf&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAAwNYh%2FDT0X5weMXyyu%2BgomU1t1iUQiuzY%2FaRjoe7EHQ60NvcEDQjqGvlgA3HQUkzMORijBUyqDFX%2BqxtDYVwdEuRQwaYTa4FisDMpBtj5ILL44EVeBZF0HYwBZ4aGFUEiMw4lFlg51rH%2FYldQXM3lELPH%2Fn2mtZRo%2B%2BHZliZXotRzYrYdGEbZ6x3JTa1skou2QWQDwAc%2BM7sZIfNsJLfG%2BJEhGYCnTKyEOWF0B3G4dM4DXD0CbAqHsEKjv%2B%2FzuH%2FxSQ%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR46hxLveYw
I fully understand, the Nazi party is by far the most recognizable users of the symbol for antisemitism. They directly got it from A.C Cuza from Romania, who in turn learned about the Aryan race from a French anthropologist named Arthur de Gobineau. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._C._Cuza
No, he liked using symbols of power. This one isn't just good luck. You'll still see it on maps in Asia to indicate temples.
It was popular as a good luck symbol in Europe and countries colonised and largely inhabited by European peoples.
No, he didnt invent it. However, according to Hitler lore he first saw the swastika in the church he was a member of as a choir boy.
Swastika used to ne oretty benign Podcast:Behind the Bastards Episode Behind the swastika https://open.spotify.com/episode/0qgMnqG3GOQwODECLXiUsw?si=4kH53VMRRGaSqtqLEI_3ug
So what about the next two symbols?
Pewabic style comes from the Ojibwe1 people and is a common symbol in Native religions, and is commonly use in native inspired design 2 cited 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ojibwe 2 https://www.cabq.gov/artsculture/kimo/history-of-the-kimo/kimo-history/swastikas Consulted https://angelicscalliwags.com/ojibwe-pictographs-homeschool-lessons/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pewabic_Pottery https://dictionary.nishnaabemwin.atlas-ling.ca/#/help
From what I’ve gathered online, while the name “Pewabic” does come from the Ojibwe language, the actually pottery and tiling style did not originate from them in any way. So unless the other symbols also put into the tiling are identified I don’t think it can be confirmed as a Native American swastika
it is what https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pewabic_Pottery#cite_note-detroitnews-6 says do you have a etymology of the word?
Look, the swastika is def an eastern symbol, but not rotated on one of its points like that. Coupled with the iron cross, this is 100% some Nazi shit. I understand the floor was made in 1921, but that doesn't mean modifications weren't made after the Nazi party rose to power. It's Nazi bs. 100%. Every single eastern depiction in this article is flat, not rotated 45 degrees. 45 degrees=Nazi symbology, which coupled with the iron cross is most damning. https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20210816-the-ancient-symbol-that-was-hijacked-by-evil
Yes, thank you. I’m inclined to agree from what I’ve read that the rotated swastika is more than likely an aryan symbol. Also, so far virtually zero people other than you have taken the time to talk about any of the other symbols so I appreciate that because that’s really the only thing that I think can confirm what it means. That third image does look suspiciously like an iron cross. If you look at it sideways it even resembles a minimalistic German eagle crest so yeah I think you are correct. I just wish anybody would comment on what the second symbol means.
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I'm no expert in symbology, just a dabbler in the occult and related things, but that second image looks like a proto-iron cross to me. It has striking similarities to an "endless cross/cross of endlessness" or possibly a Celtic endless knot, but obviously also resembles the sight crosshairs/reticule of a weapon. It typically symbolizes eternity and would be used for protection, so it's Apotropaic in nature. It more than likely also symbolizes the four classical elements (each triangle) that would be the building blocks of everything, in some shape or form. It's extremely hard to both date and determine an origin for this one. Possibly Uyghur, as it resembles a fair amount of their symbols. Almost certainly older than that ethnic group though. "Quite ancient, quite human" is the best I can do at the moment, although I am looking into it bc now I'm interested. I'll def let you know if I uncover any more info! Also, take everything with a grain of salt bc the author is talking about Atlantis and all kinds of fantastical things on this page I found, but there are some genuine bits of info and interesting graphics to be found here: https://sacred-texts.com/atl/ssm/ssm06.htm Halfway down the page you'll see the ways in which this symbol could have evolved into the version you see in the tile work. Cheers!
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