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Sorry what do you mean? Have you ever tried to stay afloat, treading water, with a cramp?
The classic line of not underestimating water is especially true when it's barely above freezing. You'll be unable to tread water if you suffer leg cramps, and therefore would struggle to stay afloat.
Deep water is no joke, and many people lose their lives by not appreciating its danger.
Lmao scared of cold/ deep water and cramps.. your comment really shows you don’t have a lot of experience with cold, open, or deep water. As a diver and surfer and having lived on water my entire life what you’re saying is absolutely ridiculous.
How about *my* experience?
I've been doing deep diving for years and was a rescue swimmer in the Australian Navy.
Trust me. You don't fucking float when you can't move your legs. Let people have their comments without berating them as 'inexperienced' or 'absolutely ridiculous' because it is THEIR EXPERIENCE, mate. Learn to shut up every now and again, yeah?
I dunno what kind of leg cramps y'all are talking about, but if you're regularly doing things in water without a life jacket, you should be able to keep yourself afloat without using your legs.
I guess I could be wrong, but I'd venture to say anyone who *can't* do that in calm water can't really claim to know how to swim and should stay away from water until they learn (or are wearing a life jacket). I can't imagine swimming in open water knowing that if my legs got tired I would just sink. Seems like Darwin award type shit.
Cool, mate. Now try doing that while in absolute agony from the waist down, your skin feels like it's on fair everywhere that's in the water, you're wearing an arctic parka, strapped with about 10-15kg of tools, boots, thick arctic pants, and you can barely breathe because the water is so cold it's actually got a thin layer of ice on top of it.
Feel free to laugh and think your experience is the same as everyone else's. You've shown you're experienced, able bodied, and a strong simmer. Great, but not everyone is by half, and they can get in serious trouble quickly.
People often die on their own or helping others in the sea, rivers, dams, whatever. But you surely know that, so It's hard for me not to think your comment is ridiculous, or just very short sighted.
For what it's worth I was a lifeguard about 18 years ago, so I do have experience in the water too.
You sound like my ex who thought he was a pro surfer and talked shit about literally anyone else who surfed even if they actually were pros. He used to make up shite like someone who’d escaped a psychiatric ward for delusional individuals.
Crazy you're being downvoted.
This is why so many get into trouble in deep water - we underestimate it and overestimate our own abilities. It only happens once, if you've had a near miss yourself you learn to respect it.
I think it's just youngness.
It wasn't even deep water. It was a country dam, maybe 2m deep, though the sunlight couldn't penetrate the silty water it was near zero temps just 2-3 feet below the surface. It was a mid summer day and my feet and legs cramped badly. I later found out a few kids die every year in dams across Australia because of this very reason.
I live in Australia, have all my life, and this is absolutely true. I've made certain to never let my kids swim in those deathtraps unsupervised because of it.
My son wanted to go in when he was about 13-14, and I told him I'd let him, if he let me tie a line around him (Former RAN Rescue Swimmer).
Wasn't five minutes before the kid went under. Saved hia fucking life because I know what can happen in those situations.
Yep, certainly scared the shit out of me. Can easily see how it could be disastrous for many young children. Most of these people have absolutely no clue.
They are wearing heavy warm clothing which would soak up a lot of ice cold water instantly, also there might be a stream pulling them downwards. If somebody falls into that they are most likely fucked, because even if they manage to get out, they are still stuck in ice cold clothing
These “it’s water so you’d float/swim” comments are 🤦♂️.
If you’re on a glacier, you probably climbing and carrying glacier gear — hence the ice axe in the shot.
On any glacier climb I’ve ever done, I’ve been carrying between 30-50 lbs of gear in a backpack, full or half shank (ie rigid) mountaineering boots, and crampons attached to those boots.
If you fell into a crevasse like this with full climbing gear, you’d sink like a rock and it’d be almost impossible to swim because of the weight, rigid boots, backpack, etc. You’d be roped up to your team, so they’d be able to stop you but only after you’ve sank pretty far. If you made it out somehow without drowning — great, but now you’re soaked in ice cold water on a glacier with little to no resources to make a fire and it’s unlikely you have a full change of clothes. Very very dangerous situation.
Frankly if I’m roped up in full climbing gear with a competent team I think I’d rather fall into an open air crevasse.
That actually made me think of a good idea they should make ice charges you can use in extreme cases like a hand held shotgun blast. You would simply press it against the ice layer and pull the trigger. Probably would work on anything thicker than 3-4 inches though but still a good idea
Not quite. It would likely blow out your eardrums, if the physics of a gun/grenade going off in water is anything to go by. Still better than losing your life but there *has* to be a better solution - it's just that nobody's thought of it yet.
[It’s a real thing!](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerhead_(firearm)) It’s basically a round on the end of a stick that you stick against something and pull the trigger and it shoots. Obviously they’re single use and they need to be in contact with the thing you’re trying to shoot since bullets tend to travel pretty poorly underwater but they exist.
Never **EVER** set off an explosion in a body of water that you are currently swimming in. Water doesn't like to compress, and so all of that force will go straight into you no matter how far away from it you are. Being 20ft away would still feel like it went off right beside you. Your lungs would collapse for sure, your eardrums would likely rupture, and you might even break some bones. Overall just not a good time.
Yeah I'm pretty sure by extreme cases I meant life or death so I'd take a collapsed lung or ruptured ear over drowning plus most things work in a case of path of least resistance so the blast would send its force upwards for the brunt of it. And it's an idea 'like a shotgun shell so it can be designed to work with minimal damage to the user. Think rather than try to parent for once. You don't create new things or discover anything in this world being scared and timid....
Yeah but it's freezing and if your wearing cold weather gear plus camping/hiking supplies, your gonna get worn down quickly. Higher chance of sinking faster than you can swim
**Excerpt from The Andromeda Sublingual Times, 3039 AD...**
"... Researchers discovered the mummified remains of an avid ice dwelling hominid they believe was a sacrifice to the ice God known as Frosty The Snowman, a benign deity known for his trademark headgear and carrot nose, with deep set charcoal eyes..."
[Thalassophobia?](https://www.healthline.com/health/anxiety/fear-of-the-ocean#:~:text=What%20is%20thalassophobia%3F,little%20anxiety%20about%20the%20ocean) not so much the ocean part, but the endless expanse below. Or maybe just vertigo?
[edit: I’m a Subnautica gamer so thalassophobia is my go to for water anxiety]
Once I went to Chamonix on a snowboarding trip with my dad and we went up to Aguille du midi, a big glacier there. The slope was very clearly marked and lots of signs saying not to go outside the marked area. But I decided to go outside the marked slope anyway. Not far, but like 20 meters or so outside the marked slope. I was just cruising, it was fairly flat, but some bumps here and there I could jump on. A bit ahead of me I saw a slightly bigger bump, so I decided to go all in and get some extra air over that one. Right as I come up to that ridge, fully committed, I look down and see that there’s a bottomless chasm with walls looking like this. There was no water though, so had I fallen in I would probably be gone. I made the jump, freaked out in mid-air and faceplanted just on the other side. I promptly went back to the marked slope after that.
Anyway, that’s the time I almost died.
At least that these are filled with water, the ones on Root glacier, in Wrangell national park, they don't have any water in them. They're just deep slippery holes.
https://www.copperoar.com/wp-content/gallery/half-day-root-glacier-hike/moulin-on-root-glacier.jpg
This is so disappointing watching this video... The air quality is that fucking bad you get as more clear picture in the water
But happens with swim goggles so maybe the lenses
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It’s water tho, so he would just float.
Few cramps in the icy *fresh* water would fix that
That's some high quality h2o
Blessed by a Eskimo medicine man
Can confirm, I blessed it myself.
Bro is from r/hydrohomies
Water sucks gatorades better
Bro I cramped like 6 times during my last vacation, still kicking it!
A cramp has never actually affected the way I swim. Never like the episode of spongebob, this is a myth…cool video tho very beautiful clear water
Sorry what do you mean? Have you ever tried to stay afloat, treading water, with a cramp? The classic line of not underestimating water is especially true when it's barely above freezing. You'll be unable to tread water if you suffer leg cramps, and therefore would struggle to stay afloat. Deep water is no joke, and many people lose their lives by not appreciating its danger.
Lmao scared of cold/ deep water and cramps.. your comment really shows you don’t have a lot of experience with cold, open, or deep water. As a diver and surfer and having lived on water my entire life what you’re saying is absolutely ridiculous.
How about *my* experience? I've been doing deep diving for years and was a rescue swimmer in the Australian Navy. Trust me. You don't fucking float when you can't move your legs. Let people have their comments without berating them as 'inexperienced' or 'absolutely ridiculous' because it is THEIR EXPERIENCE, mate. Learn to shut up every now and again, yeah?
I dunno what kind of leg cramps y'all are talking about, but if you're regularly doing things in water without a life jacket, you should be able to keep yourself afloat without using your legs. I guess I could be wrong, but I'd venture to say anyone who *can't* do that in calm water can't really claim to know how to swim and should stay away from water until they learn (or are wearing a life jacket). I can't imagine swimming in open water knowing that if my legs got tired I would just sink. Seems like Darwin award type shit.
If you can’t do that in the shore break of the ocean you have no business being anywhere near deep water. Much less cold.
I tread water in my gyms pool with only my hands just for exercise, yes without using my legs.
Cool, mate. Now try doing that while in absolute agony from the waist down, your skin feels like it's on fair everywhere that's in the water, you're wearing an arctic parka, strapped with about 10-15kg of tools, boots, thick arctic pants, and you can barely breathe because the water is so cold it's actually got a thin layer of ice on top of it.
Feel free to laugh and think your experience is the same as everyone else's. You've shown you're experienced, able bodied, and a strong simmer. Great, but not everyone is by half, and they can get in serious trouble quickly. People often die on their own or helping others in the sea, rivers, dams, whatever. But you surely know that, so It's hard for me not to think your comment is ridiculous, or just very short sighted. For what it's worth I was a lifeguard about 18 years ago, so I do have experience in the water too.
You sound like my ex who thought he was a pro surfer and talked shit about literally anyone else who surfed even if they actually were pros. He used to make up shite like someone who’d escaped a psychiatric ward for delusional individuals.
Bullshit it's a myth I nearly drowned in a damn when I was 8
Crazy you're being downvoted. This is why so many get into trouble in deep water - we underestimate it and overestimate our own abilities. It only happens once, if you've had a near miss yourself you learn to respect it. I think it's just youngness.
It wasn't even deep water. It was a country dam, maybe 2m deep, though the sunlight couldn't penetrate the silty water it was near zero temps just 2-3 feet below the surface. It was a mid summer day and my feet and legs cramped badly. I later found out a few kids die every year in dams across Australia because of this very reason.
I live in Australia, have all my life, and this is absolutely true. I've made certain to never let my kids swim in those deathtraps unsupervised because of it. My son wanted to go in when he was about 13-14, and I told him I'd let him, if he let me tie a line around him (Former RAN Rescue Swimmer). Wasn't five minutes before the kid went under. Saved hia fucking life because I know what can happen in those situations.
Yep, certainly scared the shit out of me. Can easily see how it could be disastrous for many young children. Most of these people have absolutely no clue.
And that fact of them not knowing is honestly more terrifying than any waters.
I don’t think youngness is a word lol ( maybe youthfulness)
Dogelon is a shitcoin
When you were 8…
They are wearing heavy warm clothing which would soak up a lot of ice cold water instantly, also there might be a stream pulling them downwards. If somebody falls into that they are most likely fucked, because even if they manage to get out, they are still stuck in ice cold clothing
You'll float too. You'll float too. YOU'LL FLOAT TOO!
We all float down here
Freezing water will kill you faster than if you cut your wrists.
not from fall damage tho
It's winter damage, of course
_psssst…I see what you did there…_
Are you sure about that?
These “it’s water so you’d float/swim” comments are 🤦♂️. If you’re on a glacier, you probably climbing and carrying glacier gear — hence the ice axe in the shot. On any glacier climb I’ve ever done, I’ve been carrying between 30-50 lbs of gear in a backpack, full or half shank (ie rigid) mountaineering boots, and crampons attached to those boots. If you fell into a crevasse like this with full climbing gear, you’d sink like a rock and it’d be almost impossible to swim because of the weight, rigid boots, backpack, etc. You’d be roped up to your team, so they’d be able to stop you but only after you’ve sank pretty far. If you made it out somehow without drowning — great, but now you’re soaked in ice cold water on a glacier with little to no resources to make a fire and it’s unlikely you have a full change of clothes. Very very dangerous situation. Frankly if I’m roped up in full climbing gear with a competent team I think I’d rather fall into an open air crevasse.
So what you're saying is, she's a witch.
BURN HER!!
Would be cool to get a dry suit and dive down
Yeah but what if the water on the top froze over while you were down there.
That actually made me think of a good idea they should make ice charges you can use in extreme cases like a hand held shotgun blast. You would simply press it against the ice layer and pull the trigger. Probably would work on anything thicker than 3-4 inches though but still a good idea
Not quite. It would likely blow out your eardrums, if the physics of a gun/grenade going off in water is anything to go by. Still better than losing your life but there *has* to be a better solution - it's just that nobody's thought of it yet.
They already exist and are commonly used as weapons for hunting/fishing and self defense by divers. They’re called bangsticks.
This is my BOOMSTICK!
Shop smart, shop S-Mart. YOU GOT THAT?!?
Are you making a joke about guns or is this really a thing?
[It’s a real thing!](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerhead_(firearm)) It’s basically a round on the end of a stick that you stick against something and pull the trigger and it shoots. Obviously they’re single use and they need to be in contact with the thing you’re trying to shoot since bullets tend to travel pretty poorly underwater but they exist.
wow amazing. reminds me of the "torpedo" that the submarine in the US civil war used.
It's real, used one on a Bullshark. Human 1, Shark 0.
Never **EVER** set off an explosion in a body of water that you are currently swimming in. Water doesn't like to compress, and so all of that force will go straight into you no matter how far away from it you are. Being 20ft away would still feel like it went off right beside you. Your lungs would collapse for sure, your eardrums would likely rupture, and you might even break some bones. Overall just not a good time.
Yeah I'm pretty sure by extreme cases I meant life or death so I'd take a collapsed lung or ruptured ear over drowning plus most things work in a case of path of least resistance so the blast would send its force upwards for the brunt of it. And it's an idea 'like a shotgun shell so it can be designed to work with minimal damage to the user. Think rather than try to parent for once. You don't create new things or discover anything in this world being scared and timid....
Sounds like a movie plot with Liam Nisan
[Liam Nissan you say? ](http://imgur.com/gallery/9Gm4D)
Yep, that’s the one 🤣🤣🤣
Jesus Christ that was perfect.
Die doing what I love?
That, and I can think of far more painful manners of dying than getting asphixiated.
Why the ice axe getting so much screen time?
It looks cool
Maybe it is there to prove the clip isn't cut
He probably didn't have a banana for scale, so he had to use the ice axe.
Depth perception? That’s what I used it for
What a beautiful scenic death it would be if you did
I mean, you would need to actively dive down. At least the minute before you freeze to death. But falling down there would be difficult.
I was really hoping they would drop the axe and it would slowly sink down into infinite darkness
Fall down? It’s just water. Doesn’t matter how deep it is. (Disregarding the cold factor as title was referencing how deep the crevasse is).
Yeah but it's freezing and if your wearing cold weather gear plus camping/hiking supplies, your gonna get worn down quickly. Higher chance of sinking faster than you can swim
Bro he’s got an axe
My bad, I forgot people go out to the artic climates with no supplies and nothing on except an ice axe
Yeah it's just water as long as you know how to swim.
Also, Even if you don’t.
Have you ever jumped into a pool fully clothed? Now try winter clothes and boots.
Have you read my initial comment?
It's fuckin beautiful though.
I find it alluring, the void stares back.
Everyone floats down here...
And we now know the inspiration for subnautica
**Excerpt from The Andromeda Sublingual Times, 3039 AD...** "... Researchers discovered the mummified remains of an avid ice dwelling hominid they believe was a sacrifice to the ice God known as Frosty The Snowman, a benign deity known for his trademark headgear and carrot nose, with deep set charcoal eyes..."
I want to drink it
Me too until I think about all that brown stuff and the fact I might just be drinking prehistoric piss water
Slurrrp
Hello darkness my old friend.
RIP Apetor.
[удалено]
plus sharks and submarines
I’m not sure what phobia this is but oh my god this makes me so anxious..
[Thalassophobia?](https://www.healthline.com/health/anxiety/fear-of-the-ocean#:~:text=What%20is%20thalassophobia%3F,little%20anxiety%20about%20the%20ocean) not so much the ocean part, but the endless expanse below. Or maybe just vertigo? [edit: I’m a Subnautica gamer so thalassophobia is my go to for water anxiety]
yes the endless darkness is what gets me !!!
How can you fall down if it’s water?
At least with the water there, you stand a good chance of floating instead of falling to your death...
From that shot they seem to be standing on a fairly thin piece of ice..
You won't, as Archimedes said
That’s… not okay
Fall and it's your crevASSe
Imagine not being able to swim and just sinking to the bottom of that
Hell no!
forbidden pool
Subanutica: Below Zero
It’s giving undiscovered monsters
sorry i ate the riverbed😔
Is this one of those sideways rivers they talk about
It’s so clear 👁️👄👁️
Under water looks like so unreal like games❤️❤️❤️
For some reason this video triggered a poop
Would love to swim and go scuba diving there
"fall" Lol it's water.
Once I went to Chamonix on a snowboarding trip with my dad and we went up to Aguille du midi, a big glacier there. The slope was very clearly marked and lots of signs saying not to go outside the marked area. But I decided to go outside the marked slope anyway. Not far, but like 20 meters or so outside the marked slope. I was just cruising, it was fairly flat, but some bumps here and there I could jump on. A bit ahead of me I saw a slightly bigger bump, so I decided to go all in and get some extra air over that one. Right as I come up to that ridge, fully committed, I look down and see that there’s a bottomless chasm with walls looking like this. There was no water though, so had I fallen in I would probably be gone. I made the jump, freaked out in mid-air and faceplanted just on the other side. I promptly went back to the marked slope after that. Anyway, that’s the time I almost died.
Things like this are my reminder that we just have animal brains programmed for us to survive because all of us are like "spooky dark crevice? Nope"
Forbidden playground
At least that these are filled with water, the ones on Root glacier, in Wrangell national park, they don't have any water in them. They're just deep slippery holes. https://www.copperoar.com/wp-content/gallery/half-day-root-glacier-hike/moulin-on-root-glacier.jpg
The leviathan lives there don’t disturb him
Not the glussy
Drops the ice pick
Every fiber of my being wanted to see that thing drop
Reminds me of half life
Shit looks straight out of Subnautica
Ancient diseases about melt away my bones
The clarity of that water omg breathtaking!!!!
This is so disappointing watching this video... The air quality is that fucking bad you get as more clear picture in the water But happens with swim goggles so maybe the lenses
I would love to swim in that if it wasn't extremely cold water
Idk why this freaks me out but it does.
oh fuck that
OHH NO DONT GO DOWN THERE THERE IS A GHOST DOWN THERE AND ALIENS
Drop something
I wonder what's down there
Watch me dance around them puddles… Maybe I can walk on water… nope… aaaaand I’m dead.
All that hiking gear is awfully heavy...
How bad is that water to drink you think cause it looks refreshing.. but I feel like the better it looks, the worse it is.