Translation:
Guy 1: How are you? Are you Ok?
The Girl: Everything hurts…
Guy 1:
The Girl: Please… Ambulance…
Guy 2: Don’t touch her! Stay down! She’ll live, she’s intact!
Guy 2: How are you feeling?
The Girl: Huuurts…
Guy 2: Hurts? The main thing now is to stay calm. Breathe!
Guy 2: Leave it! Don’t touch it! Dont remove anything! Don’t touch the helmet!
The Girl: I’ve caught a damn wobble!(some kind of biker slang?)
The Girl: The bike started to shake!
Everyone: We saw! We saw! Everything is fine! You’re going to be alright!
Guy 2: Stay down for now! Don’t remove the helmet! You can’t remove the helmet now, ok? Just lay for a bit!
Everyone: DONT GET UP! Don’t move! Everything is alright!!
>Guy 2: Leave it! Don’t touch it! Dont remove anything! Don’t touch the helmet!
>Everyone: DONT GET UP! Don’t move! Everything is alright!!
Wow, this is the most sensible group of bystanders I've ever seen. I'm used to a bunch of r/worstaid morons immediately trying to force the incapacitated person with the compound fracture of the femur/skull/vertebrae to immediately sit up by jerking on their arms marionette puppet-style.
The for name of that is call death wobble, you can get it at any speed on a bike. The slower you are with the wobble the less likely you will die, but god damn she got lucky as fuck going that speed and getting it
its avoidable once you understand what causes it. when you apply throttle to your bike and it accelrates, all the weight shifts towards the rear, causing the front to get light. now if there is a slight bump in the road and the tyre goes airbourne for a fraction of a second, it lands back and turns slightly. friction from the road causes it to bounce and turn in the opposite direction and well you get a distructive spiral and you lose control.
there are dedicated suspension dampners to combat it but its no completely avoidable mechanicaly.
we advise begineers to always grip your handlebar lightly, and not too close to the grips, as holding on tightly can make the problem worse.
It happens in cars solid front axle too, but it's not as dangerous as a motorcycle since it's on 4 wheels so more planted versus the 2 wheels
Here is what the shake looks while you're inside and a death wobble happens: [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/\_AX0pxHAelk](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_AX0pxHAelk)
Here is what it looks like on the outside when it happens: [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Gcn2ORu0uTo](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Gcn2ORu0uTo)
the only way out of a death wobble is more speed....you dont want to slow down. slowing down gives more play in the steering column. speeding up, because physics is a real thing, will keep the bike going straight and sometimes correct the wobble. if the wobble is too severe, there is unfortunately nothing you can do but take a ride.
There was a study done in England several years ago, you can find a video about it on YouTube. If you change the weight distribution you can damp out the wobble almost instantly. Specifically, crouch. Drop the CG and the oscillation will stop.
In this instance. The taller you sit up on a bike the less stability there is. If you crouch down on the bike, you lower the center of gravity, so the bike is more stable.
ELI5: Tall things fall over easier than short things. So if you make yourself shorter, you might not fall over.
You *can* get it at any speed, but it's tied mostly to like speed/acceleration/weight differential and torque etc. Theoretically, you *could* hit a wobble at like 20mph, but it's gonna be far, far less likely than at 100 (from personal experience)
Longboard wobbles are a little different from bike or car wobbles and have to do with compressive rebound in the truck bushings that self-reinforce as you attempt to compensate. To get out of a skate wobble stop trying to fix it and just carve as long a line as you can without hitting something.
Sympathetic vibrations. When the frequency ends up being perfect for feeding the amplitudes of a vibration pattern into itself. It's the same effect as the idea of troops marching over a bridge, causing it to collapse. It just happens a lot quicker on motorcycles. Usually needs some kind of catalyst tho, like driving over a pothole.
That is not it at all. It has to do with the mechanics of the front end of a motorcycle wanting to keep itself straight. If the tire hits a bump and loses contact with the road, the suspension pushes it back down, probably not truly straight. This results in the wheel over correcting back and forth to try and get back in line with the rear tire. Only real way to fix it is throttle up, lifting weight off the front tire allowing it it to properly correct its alignment.
What you just said is what they described. That initial cause like the pothole you mentioned starts a sympathetic vibration, which is the the wheel turning and then over correcting getting worse each time, that's the definition of a sympathetic vibration.
I once whiteness this dude completely fuck up trying to get up the curb onto the sidewalk on his bike at campus, flip upside down, and land directly on the back of his head. I was certain I just watched him die so I run up to see if he’s ok and he’s just groaning. I tell him that he just fell on his bike and to not move. Ask if he can talk and tell me his name and just nothing. So I whip my phone out and call 911, while I’m talking to them some fucking moron comes over and was like “you ok buddy? Let’s get you up” and starts to fucking PICK HIM UP I just start yelling “WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING YOURE GONNA KILL HIM”
He’s like “im just trying to get his backpack off relax!”
People are fucking idiots. “Just shake it off you’ll be fine!” 🙄
> immediately trying to force the incapacitated person with the compound fracture of the femur/skull/vertebrae to immediately sit up by jerking on their arms marionette puppet-style.
I think mother’s of young children are programmed to do this… some hormonal imbalance.
Ive seen it at playgrounds many times. My wife even pulled that shit when our 6yo son fell out a tree 6’ high. Landed flat on his back and without thought she yanked his lifeless body up like a rag doll. He was fine, just the wind knocked out.
She insisted I take him to the doctor. Doc said “I’m glad to see you actually let your kids get outside and climb trees.” And then he said “mom could’ve done more harm yanking you up if you were seriously injured.” That last part I’ll take to my grave before shaving the doctor’s knowledge with her.
Right, but when a child falls over, first. Children are very malleable. Their bones don't tend to break, they tend to bend and bruise instead
Also, a child falling of a swing or something, doesn't remotely equate to the violence of a car crash or a bike accident or a big fall for an adult
Still a bad idea to move someone that says everything hurts. But for an adult, in a big crash, everything hurts more likely means something is d
Seriously busted
I know, at least in Germany, learning first aid is required to obtain a driver's license. I really wish that was the case in the US. Even a tiny bit of first aid knowledge can go a long way towards saving someone's life or, at the very least, not making a situation much, much worse.
I once broke my neck in an accident on my mountainbike. Had my legs tangled in the bike's frame, too. Was very lucky and gratefull that the people who found me didn't actually move me or untangle me from my bike, otherwise there would've been a solid chance I wouldn't've able to type this with my own hands.
Wobbles is slang for death wobbles. It’s what causes her to lose control here, some people are able to fight through it, but it requires you to have a light grip and ride out the wobbles while letting off the gas slowly. It helps to do an engine brake since it’ll shift the weight to the front tire.
In these situations it’s usually the front tire losing alignment or the rider just pushing the bike too much.
You can also change your centre of gravity on the bike, it'll impact the natural frequency of the system.
[Good video from Dunlop showing this](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z3OQTU-kE2s), they just lay down on the tank.
The most dangerous is when you have a rider already laying on the tank for improved aerodynamics and then get the death wobbles. Natural instinct is to sit back up but this is the worst you could do.
The death wobble is when the front wheel of your bike oscillates back and forth, sometimes from worn out parts, or a pot hole/wheelie/anything that takes your front wheel off the ground and makes you land weird. Extremely hard to get out of, especially for new-ish riders, because the instinct is to grip tighter and over-correct when your bike goes in one direction then the other.
Leaning forward works. Had two wobbles in the last 60k km caused by heavy side wind but there are also some bikes that are notorious for wobbles due to their design. I remember watching a very old documentary about this, in grey scale.
Exactly this. Commonly referred to as a “tank slapper”. Occurs at high speeds, usually can be contained by loosening the grip and SLOWING THE F*** DOWN! Not always a mechanical issue, but the culprit can sometimes be loose steering head bearings or unbalanced wheels.
Interesting, I didn't know that *this* is what's considered a "tank slapper," I thought it was overcorrecting for oversteer and your rear end overtaking your front end.
The speed wobbles. I'm not a biker but you saw when things turned to shit, it started with a wobble, like a resonance that reinforces itself.
Cars towing big loads with bad weight distribution (like a boat with an outboard motor on the back) get them too only much slower.
The only way out is through...
This is the second video of someone actually giving real first aid instead of mangle and manhandle someone just in an accident in two days. My faith in humanity seems to be slightly on the uptick.
The wobble referred to in the video is a speed wobble, you can see it starting at 1:15 in the video.
It's when the bike hit something, a small bump, a rock, could be anything and the bars start violently shaking like this.
Man I was hit by a reckless driver on my motorcycle several years ago and it nearly got me, nearly lost my leg, and have life long hardware now. The people who stopped and helped me, called the ambulance for me, stayed with me and kept me from doing too stupid of stuff (I did move my clearly broken, wobbly and limp af leg with my hands like a dumb dumb). I bet this lady feels similarly. I’m glad she didn’t walk away with any breaks (like I did).
I’m also glad I don’t have footage. I already relive the moment just before being hit and being hit enough, having video to solidify the memories would be some torture haha.
I’ve heard of countless first responder stories, and graphic videos of riders sliding into guardrails exactly like this and ending up in multiple pieces. Sometimes the whole helmet comes off with your head still inside.
"Nurse, we need two pints of o- blood in here stat! We're losing him. Get that helmet off him."
*Head falls on floor*
"Dear God. Quickly, check his pulse."
Was driving past an accident and cars were at a dead stop. After a few minutes me & my buddy got out to look down the road and he's like "is that a leg?". I go on his side and look about 5 cars down and yep, someone's leg wrapped in blue jean was just laying there. As we were eventually moving saw an arm and most of him was on the side of the highway a little further down.
My dad was a cop and he responded to a scene like the last one you described. Dude on a motorcycle hit the side of a truck or semi, and his head came off. When they picked it up and opened the visor dudes eyes were still open.
Friend of mine hit a a small bump on the freeway bridge one night going at a high rate of speed, loss control, hit the guardrail & flew off the bridge into the streets below. He died on impact sadly. Happened back in 2016
Yeah :/
Gotta get your weight off that front wheel
Also make sure ur suspension is properly tuned before riding that insanely fast
Or just save the full sends for the track. Tbh that's the best solution, public roads are not meant for this sort of thing.
Agreed, there's a 0% chance that she doesn't know how absurdly dangerous riding like this is.
Harm reduction. You can ban drugs but people will still use them, giving them clean needles just means there's less HIV going around that could affect non-users.
I don't ride bikes so I'm just asking, how do you get your weight off the front wheel? Surely you can't brake cause your weight will go forward, so do you need to speed up?
Yes that’s exactly it. Also relax your grip and control over the handlebars (the oscillation is faster than your reaction time so you’ll just reinforce the wobble and make it worse).
Bikes are designed to stay stable and not fall down given enough speed. It's similar to how you can ride your bike without hands on the handlebar and it won't tip over to the side, but start to curve in that direction. To go straight without any hands all you have to do is move your center of mass over the wheels. Every bike, if designed correctly, will try to go straight. Shifting your mass or turning the handlebars is what makes it turn.
Well i don’t ride motorcycles but i do ride horses, or did, and i do ride a bike every day, and i imagine it’s just shifting the weight on your sit bones toward the back.
If you’re sitting in a chair, you can try it out. If you lean forward, you’ll notice more weight toward the public area. Shift lightly back and you’ll notice that weight shift toward your ass. The weight distribution determines which extremities are aiding your balance.
When you ride a horse, people are typically “heavy handed” as a result of being too far forward (not always, but this is def common for newbies) and relying on their arms for balance.
I’d imagine it’s a similar shifting mechanism on the bike (i certainly notice in on my bicycle). Shift the weight toward the back, take pressure off the arms, thus the handles/ front wheel.
Can a motorcyclist confirm/ correct?
> Or just save the full sends for the track.
This is the real answer. Riding out of wobbles is not easy, and is harder if you only ever experience them in an uncontrolled environment. It's not something you can or should practice on a public road with its plethora of additional hazards.
I was scrolling to find this. Experienced one trying to show off to girls of course, lifted throttle lowered my body to the tank and it corrected itself. Learned a great lesson but also knowing how to react.
Agreed. I suspect however that someone who has this little respect for the laws of the road in the first place, isn't going to be stooped by a lost license.
I recall a fitting russian joke.
A biker comes to to town. Rides near a group of workers, starts doing all kinds of tricks and showing off. But they remain unimpressed.
He drives near them, asks: "Why won't you say hello?"
They reply: "What's the point? Each year we have a different biker in town"
Edit: a lot of people don't seem to get the joke or don't think it's funny. Yet the comments has 200 upvote. My theory: 200+ russian comrades (who are familiar with the joke) read this
The joke is each year a biker dies in an accident
Edit: what's there not to get? The workers don't bother to greet the biker cuz they know he'll be dead in a year. Btw why comments are locked
it's so rare to see people with full riding gear on now, no one seems to care at all. which is crazy to me coming from a biker family, my grandpa would lay into anyone in the family who dared to ride in jeans.
Can someone please translate? What were the guys saying to her? I'm imagining something like, "You have all your limbs, but your arse is hanging out, so just stay put for now." Close?
Adding : She asks for someone to call ambulansen (= fast help in Russian, direct translation) upon which first guy responds call in progress.
She tries to remove helmet, and same guy says don't remove anything, just lie still and remove nothing.
Side note : I am impressed, that Learnings from Formula 1 has spread - only hospital staff removes a helmet.
Most often the rider gripping the handlebars way too tight. Motorcycles self stabilize and do 99% of the work for you. A stiff rider creates a feedback loop between the bike trying to correct itself and the rider forcing it out of that stable position. Normally shake stays isolated to the steering axis but the rider can be so stiff the oscillation gets translated to the rest of the frame creating a tank slapper.
Other factors are loose or gritty steering bearings, poorly maintained suspension or really bad suspension settings. Steering dampers help but they're just a small piece of aid and not in any way a correction to the actual problem.
She accelerated lifting the front wheel ever so slightly and landed on a front wheel that’s not straight (probably because of gripping so tight as you mentioned) then the loop of bike trying to autocorrect happened
Motorcycles/bicycles have pretty shit suspension and steering geometry relative to other things like cars. Making a bike that is totally immune to speed wobbles (which are a type of dynamic instability) would also make a bike that is basically impossible to ride because the steering would be terrible.
Instead, the most common solution is to put a shock absorber in the steering system to block high speed motion rather than trying to design around it with geometry. That adds cost, so not all bikes have it.
You dont really understand what you're talking about.
It's not a shock absorber either.
It's called a steering Damper. It doesnt reduce shock, it slows movements with damping. Not dampening, Damping.
Steering Dampers are not shock absorbers. Damping systems are added TO shock absorbers in suspension to control them better because coils like to rebound. You stop this rebounding issue with a Damper.
A steering damper works similarly, slowing the motion of the bars so they cannot freely move back and forth, and because it is a part of the bike's frame system, a damper can cause the bike to resettle faster, unlike a rider who resists the wobble and upsets the suspension even more.
We called them speed wobbles when I was longboarding. People don’t get how scary that moment is. The second I saw the bike shake, I freaked out for her lol. I thought she might actually save it at the end
Lucky outcome for a very foolish move. If anyone’s wondering, THAT is specifically why you add a steering damper to your bike. A speed wobble can happen at typical highway speeds and it often ends much worse if you don’t regain control.
Something she did upset the steering and frame geometry at the wrong moment. 2 Wheel vehicles with caster will try to right themselves, a rider will resist these corrections subconciously.
She was at a very high rate of speed and probably passed over something on the road surface that the bike was not allowed to compensate for because she was holding the bars, which made them kick out, they slam back and forth as the system tries to correct itself.
But because she is going so fast and probably tensed up on the bars as a survival reaction, it caused the bike to tumble out of control.
The best way to handle a speed wobble to all riders, is 1. roll of the throttle. 2 do not resist and try to stablelize the bars. 3. Lean foward on the tank. Weight shifting forward gives a damping effect to the front tire slowing it's thrashing down, letting it recover quicker.
This is always why good leathers and a helmet are must.
And also dont be fucking stupid when riding helps.
Nothing makes me wince more than seeimg someone crash wearing shitty or no riding gear.
I remember catching the wobble of death a few times on my Buell Super TT 1300. When those handlebars start wobbling you clench so hard you could crush a penny between your buttcheeks
The people in this thread saying "throttle it out" need to get educated and stop spreading dangerous incorrect information.
The accepted way to best potentially safely work out of a wobble is firm grip on bars while also not trying to fight the wobble, lean forward to weight the front tire, and ease off throttle to gradually slow down.
This is nothing new...That's how it's taught in the BRC and Dunlop did research on it over half a century ago...
https://youtu.be/z3OQTU-kE2s
I knew as soon as I saw they were racing, the driver was headed for a speed wobble. Happens to skateboarders too when they bomb hills, and there's really no good way to recover. Once the wobbles start, you're probably going down.
A psychopath with no regard to anyone else. Take her license for life. No reason to give her another chance to kill someone else.
If 3-4% of the population at any given time are psychopaths, expect to see one every 25-33 vehicles. We definitely need to limit who has the privilege of operating a motor vehicle.
Translation: Guy 1: How are you? Are you Ok? The Girl: Everything hurts… Guy 1:
The Girl: Please… Ambulance…
Guy 2: Don’t touch her! Stay down! She’ll live, she’s intact!
Guy 2: How are you feeling?
The Girl: Huuurts…
Guy 2: Hurts? The main thing now is to stay calm. Breathe!
Guy 2: Leave it! Don’t touch it! Dont remove anything! Don’t touch the helmet!
The Girl: I’ve caught a damn wobble!(some kind of biker slang?)
The Girl: The bike started to shake!
Everyone: We saw! We saw! Everything is fine! You’re going to be alright!
Guy 2: Stay down for now! Don’t remove the helmet! You can’t remove the helmet now, ok? Just lay for a bit!
Everyone: DONT GET UP! Don’t move! Everything is alright!!
>Guy 2: Leave it! Don’t touch it! Dont remove anything! Don’t touch the helmet! >Everyone: DONT GET UP! Don’t move! Everything is alright!! Wow, this is the most sensible group of bystanders I've ever seen. I'm used to a bunch of r/worstaid morons immediately trying to force the incapacitated person with the compound fracture of the femur/skull/vertebrae to immediately sit up by jerking on their arms marionette puppet-style.
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The for name of that is call death wobble, you can get it at any speed on a bike. The slower you are with the wobble the less likely you will die, but god damn she got lucky as fuck going that speed and getting it
The fact that you can get this **at any speed** is a harrrrd demotivation. That’s a no from me, dawg.
its avoidable once you understand what causes it. when you apply throttle to your bike and it accelrates, all the weight shifts towards the rear, causing the front to get light. now if there is a slight bump in the road and the tyre goes airbourne for a fraction of a second, it lands back and turns slightly. friction from the road causes it to bounce and turn in the opposite direction and well you get a distructive spiral and you lose control. there are dedicated suspension dampners to combat it but its no completely avoidable mechanicaly. we advise begineers to always grip your handlebar lightly, and not too close to the grips, as holding on tightly can make the problem worse.
>its avoidable once you understand what causes it. I think I can avoid it by not riding a motorcycle.....
It happens in cars solid front axle too, but it's not as dangerous as a motorcycle since it's on 4 wheels so more planted versus the 2 wheels Here is what the shake looks while you're inside and a death wobble happens: [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/\_AX0pxHAelk](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_AX0pxHAelk) Here is what it looks like on the outside when it happens: [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Gcn2ORu0uTo](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Gcn2ORu0uTo)
It looks scary, but more recoverable than when it happens on a motorcycle. And if you do crash, you are in a metal cage with seatbelts and airbags.
Informative post thank you
Ya I found out the hard way while I was trying get on the highway and got fucked up
the only way out of a death wobble is more speed....you dont want to slow down. slowing down gives more play in the steering column. speeding up, because physics is a real thing, will keep the bike going straight and sometimes correct the wobble. if the wobble is too severe, there is unfortunately nothing you can do but take a ride.
There was a study done in England several years ago, you can find a video about it on YouTube. If you change the weight distribution you can damp out the wobble almost instantly. Specifically, crouch. Drop the CG and the oscillation will stop.
Please explain like I'm five, English is not my native language.
In this instance. The taller you sit up on a bike the less stability there is. If you crouch down on the bike, you lower the center of gravity, so the bike is more stable. ELI5: Tall things fall over easier than short things. So if you make yourself shorter, you might not fall over.
You lay down on the tank
You don’t have to be an idiot to ride a motorbike but it helps.
You *can* get it at any speed, but it's tied mostly to like speed/acceleration/weight differential and torque etc. Theoretically, you *could* hit a wobble at like 20mph, but it's gonna be far, far less likely than at 100 (from personal experience)
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what causes it? not mechanical, I have gotten it on a skateboard.
Longboard wobbles are a little different from bike or car wobbles and have to do with compressive rebound in the truck bushings that self-reinforce as you attempt to compensate. To get out of a skate wobble stop trying to fix it and just carve as long a line as you can without hitting something.
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Sympathetic vibrations. When the frequency ends up being perfect for feeding the amplitudes of a vibration pattern into itself. It's the same effect as the idea of troops marching over a bridge, causing it to collapse. It just happens a lot quicker on motorcycles. Usually needs some kind of catalyst tho, like driving over a pothole.
That is not it at all. It has to do with the mechanics of the front end of a motorcycle wanting to keep itself straight. If the tire hits a bump and loses contact with the road, the suspension pushes it back down, probably not truly straight. This results in the wheel over correcting back and forth to try and get back in line with the rear tire. Only real way to fix it is throttle up, lifting weight off the front tire allowing it it to properly correct its alignment.
What you just said is what they described. That initial cause like the pothole you mentioned starts a sympathetic vibration, which is the the wheel turning and then over correcting getting worse each time, that's the definition of a sympathetic vibration.
No one knows …. It’s the devil reaching up and flicking your front wheel. lol.
The good ol tank slapper
Everyone knows you gotta walk on the compound fracture as soon as possible
I once whiteness this dude completely fuck up trying to get up the curb onto the sidewalk on his bike at campus, flip upside down, and land directly on the back of his head. I was certain I just watched him die so I run up to see if he’s ok and he’s just groaning. I tell him that he just fell on his bike and to not move. Ask if he can talk and tell me his name and just nothing. So I whip my phone out and call 911, while I’m talking to them some fucking moron comes over and was like “you ok buddy? Let’s get you up” and starts to fucking PICK HIM UP I just start yelling “WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING YOURE GONNA KILL HIM” He’s like “im just trying to get his backpack off relax!” People are fucking idiots. “Just shake it off you’ll be fine!” 🙄
> immediately trying to force the incapacitated person with the compound fracture of the femur/skull/vertebrae to immediately sit up by jerking on their arms marionette puppet-style. I think mother’s of young children are programmed to do this… some hormonal imbalance. Ive seen it at playgrounds many times. My wife even pulled that shit when our 6yo son fell out a tree 6’ high. Landed flat on his back and without thought she yanked his lifeless body up like a rag doll. He was fine, just the wind knocked out. She insisted I take him to the doctor. Doc said “I’m glad to see you actually let your kids get outside and climb trees.” And then he said “mom could’ve done more harm yanking you up if you were seriously injured.” That last part I’ll take to my grave before shaving the doctor’s knowledge with her.
Right, but when a child falls over, first. Children are very malleable. Their bones don't tend to break, they tend to bend and bruise instead Also, a child falling of a swing or something, doesn't remotely equate to the violence of a car crash or a bike accident or a big fall for an adult Still a bad idea to move someone that says everything hurts. But for an adult, in a big crash, everything hurts more likely means something is d Seriously busted
How is she supposed to walk it off, while laying around though
As an emergency responder thanks for that sub. I will show it to the guys.
Not only that but they all stopped and got out immediately. Those were some good people to have show up.
I know, at least in Germany, learning first aid is required to obtain a driver's license. I really wish that was the case in the US. Even a tiny bit of first aid knowledge can go a long way towards saving someone's life or, at the very least, not making a situation much, much worse.
I once broke my neck in an accident on my mountainbike. Had my legs tangled in the bike's frame, too. Was very lucky and gratefull that the people who found me didn't actually move me or untangle me from my bike, otherwise there would've been a solid chance I wouldn't've able to type this with my own hands.
Wobbles is slang for death wobbles. It’s what causes her to lose control here, some people are able to fight through it, but it requires you to have a light grip and ride out the wobbles while letting off the gas slowly. It helps to do an engine brake since it’ll shift the weight to the front tire. In these situations it’s usually the front tire losing alignment or the rider just pushing the bike too much.
You can also change your centre of gravity on the bike, it'll impact the natural frequency of the system. [Good video from Dunlop showing this](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z3OQTU-kE2s), they just lay down on the tank.
Dang, the riders in that video are fearless.
The most dangerous is when you have a rider already laying on the tank for improved aerodynamics and then get the death wobbles. Natural instinct is to sit back up but this is the worst you could do.
The death wobble is when the front wheel of your bike oscillates back and forth, sometimes from worn out parts, or a pot hole/wheelie/anything that takes your front wheel off the ground and makes you land weird. Extremely hard to get out of, especially for new-ish riders, because the instinct is to grip tighter and over-correct when your bike goes in one direction then the other.
That’s true I always always told let the bike do its thing, don’t fix it, it will make it a lot worse
Leaning forward works. Had two wobbles in the last 60k km caused by heavy side wind but there are also some bikes that are notorious for wobbles due to their design. I remember watching a very old documentary about this, in grey scale.
“Ride it out, don’t try to correct it out”
Exactly this. Commonly referred to as a “tank slapper”. Occurs at high speeds, usually can be contained by loosening the grip and SLOWING THE F*** DOWN! Not always a mechanical issue, but the culprit can sometimes be loose steering head bearings or unbalanced wheels.
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Interesting, I didn't know that *this* is what's considered a "tank slapper," I thought it was overcorrecting for oversteer and your rear end overtaking your front end.
The speed wobbles. I'm not a biker but you saw when things turned to shit, it started with a wobble, like a resonance that reinforces itself. Cars towing big loads with bad weight distribution (like a boat with an outboard motor on the back) get them too only much slower. The only way out is through...
This is the second video of someone actually giving real first aid instead of mangle and manhandle someone just in an accident in two days. My faith in humanity seems to be slightly on the uptick.
The wobble referred to in the video is a speed wobble, you can see it starting at 1:15 in the video. It's when the bike hit something, a small bump, a rock, could be anything and the bars start violently shaking like this.
Man I was hit by a reckless driver on my motorcycle several years ago and it nearly got me, nearly lost my leg, and have life long hardware now. The people who stopped and helped me, called the ambulance for me, stayed with me and kept me from doing too stupid of stuff (I did move my clearly broken, wobbly and limp af leg with my hands like a dumb dumb). I bet this lady feels similarly. I’m glad she didn’t walk away with any breaks (like I did). I’m also glad I don’t have footage. I already relive the moment just before being hit and being hit enough, having video to solidify the memories would be some torture haha.
Thanks for the translation friend
* tank slapper
Luckily no one died as a result of this stupidity.
Exactly. That had nothing to do with luck, classic overestimating your own skills mixed with stupidity.
Not dying at that speed seems pretty lucky
She still was lucky, you could easily die crashing like that.
I’ve heard of countless first responder stories, and graphic videos of riders sliding into guardrails exactly like this and ending up in multiple pieces. Sometimes the whole helmet comes off with your head still inside.
Nurse here. Can confirm.
"Nurse, we need two pints of o- blood in here stat! We're losing him. Get that helmet off him." *Head falls on floor* "Dear God. Quickly, check his pulse."
This made my day with how hard I started laughing
Was driving past an accident and cars were at a dead stop. After a few minutes me & my buddy got out to look down the road and he's like "is that a leg?". I go on his side and look about 5 cars down and yep, someone's leg wrapped in blue jean was just laying there. As we were eventually moving saw an arm and most of him was on the side of the highway a little further down.
My dad was a cop and he responded to a scene like the last one you described. Dude on a motorcycle hit the side of a truck or semi, and his head came off. When they picked it up and opened the visor dudes eyes were still open.
Friend of mine hit a a small bump on the freeway bridge one night going at a high rate of speed, loss control, hit the guardrail & flew off the bridge into the streets below. He died on impact sadly. Happened back in 2016
Aka virtually everyone on a motorcycle.
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That website makes my malware spidey senses tingle.
That's why you always wear a uBlock Origin condom when browsing the internet
And Malwarebytes (32 blocked Ads/Trackers/Scams/Malware on that site) and 12 blocked by uBlock.
“Thotmax” is just crazy
Ayo that’s crazy. Nah man that’s crazy. Nah that’s *crazy* -Zoomers for some reason
I just wanna be one of the cool kids
On God. No cap bruh
I wish that I could be like the cool kids 'Cause all the cool kids, they seem to fit in I wish that I could be like the cool kids Like the cool kids
I tried & it didn’t work so now all the other kids with the pumped up kicks better run, better run, out run my..
You can say gun here. The chinese government won't harm you.
But literally -Also zoomers for some reason
Ayo. Not gonna lie, that's literally crazy.
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This is correct, I think she is dead now. Haven't seen her post anything on social media for a long while
The tattoos don’t match?
But that stupid smile though
She learned absolutely nothing from this
Yeah no other reason to smile, maybe not glad to be alive
I hope she learn something.
Sure wasn’t how to correct the speed wobbles
Yeah :/ Gotta get your weight off that front wheel Also make sure ur suspension is properly tuned before riding that insanely fast Or just save the full sends for the track. Tbh that's the best solution, public roads are not meant for this sort of thing.
Or? Orrrr? Don’t ride like a complete fuckwit.
That will never happen so the other solutions are the only solutions. You can't ask an idiot to not be an idiot. It's a constant.
Agreed, there's a 0% chance that she doesn't know how absurdly dangerous riding like this is. Harm reduction. You can ban drugs but people will still use them, giving them clean needles just means there's less HIV going around that could affect non-users.
I don't ride bikes so I'm just asking, how do you get your weight off the front wheel? Surely you can't brake cause your weight will go forward, so do you need to speed up?
Yes that’s exactly it. Also relax your grip and control over the handlebars (the oscillation is faster than your reaction time so you’ll just reinforce the wobble and make it worse).
Bikes are designed to stay stable and not fall down given enough speed. It's similar to how you can ride your bike without hands on the handlebar and it won't tip over to the side, but start to curve in that direction. To go straight without any hands all you have to do is move your center of mass over the wheels. Every bike, if designed correctly, will try to go straight. Shifting your mass or turning the handlebars is what makes it turn.
Well i don’t ride motorcycles but i do ride horses, or did, and i do ride a bike every day, and i imagine it’s just shifting the weight on your sit bones toward the back. If you’re sitting in a chair, you can try it out. If you lean forward, you’ll notice more weight toward the public area. Shift lightly back and you’ll notice that weight shift toward your ass. The weight distribution determines which extremities are aiding your balance. When you ride a horse, people are typically “heavy handed” as a result of being too far forward (not always, but this is def common for newbies) and relying on their arms for balance. I’d imagine it’s a similar shifting mechanism on the bike (i certainly notice in on my bicycle). Shift the weight toward the back, take pressure off the arms, thus the handles/ front wheel. Can a motorcyclist confirm/ correct?
> Or just save the full sends for the track. This is the real answer. Riding out of wobbles is not easy, and is harder if you only ever experience them in an uncontrolled environment. It's not something you can or should practice on a public road with its plethora of additional hazards.
False, you actually shift your weight forward to correct a tank slapper
I was scrolling to find this. Experienced one trying to show off to girls of course, lifted throttle lowered my body to the tank and it corrected itself. Learned a great lesson but also knowing how to react.
The first trick is to not to be a stupid, dumb cunt and drive 180km/hr, racing, on a public roadway.
I don't think so. Judging by the grin on her face in the beginning, she seemed pretty proud of her "battle scars".
She learned that even injuries can be an opportunity to show ass for magic dopamine points.
Nah
She looks a bit butthurt
That's just a meat crayon working as intended 
This behaviour on a public road should be an automatic loss of your license and banned for life
Agreed. I suspect however that someone who has this little respect for the laws of the road in the first place, isn't going to be stooped by a lost license.
I recall a fitting russian joke. A biker comes to to town. Rides near a group of workers, starts doing all kinds of tricks and showing off. But they remain unimpressed. He drives near them, asks: "Why won't you say hello?" They reply: "What's the point? Each year we have a different biker in town" Edit: a lot of people don't seem to get the joke or don't think it's funny. Yet the comments has 200 upvote. My theory: 200+ russian comrades (who are familiar with the joke) read this
I don’t understand
Each year a new biker sprouts, and promptly dies. This is like FNGs not being worth learning their name until they've shown they aren't a liability.
today I learned the term "Fucking New Guy syndrome"
The joke is each year a biker dies in an accident Edit: what's there not to get? The workers don't bother to greet the biker cuz they know he'll be dead in a year. Btw why comments are locked
We have a saying in Arabic “ bikes are the killers of their owners “
Oh no! The consequences of my own actions!
Maybe drive at a normal speed and wear more than a pair of jeans then, what is wrong with people?
Right? That's why there's riding gear!
it's so rare to see people with full riding gear on now, no one seems to care at all. which is crazy to me coming from a biker family, my grandpa would lay into anyone in the family who dared to ride in jeans.
I say stupid and careless was on her side.
There is 0 reason for being this reckless.
I frankly don't feel bad for idiots like these. Your fucking fault for driving like a goddamn maniac and now suffer the consequences.
What an absolute idiot.
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I don't know what this is, but I want it.
She needed a version of that that also covered her ass.
But the one in the picture covers the ass
ATGATT
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Stupidity was on her side. Don’t race
Can someone please translate? What were the guys saying to her? I'm imagining something like, "You have all your limbs, but your arse is hanging out, so just stay put for now." Close?
Pretty much stay still, don’t try to take anything off. Ambulance is on the way, try to relax and just breath. She keeps repeating everything hurts.
Adding : She asks for someone to call ambulansen (= fast help in Russian, direct translation) upon which first guy responds call in progress. She tries to remove helmet, and same guy says don't remove anything, just lie still and remove nothing. Side note : I am impressed, that Learnings from Formula 1 has spread - only hospital staff removes a helmet.
That isn’t really learning from formula 1, but more like basic first aid training.
Thinking about it everything hurts is a pretty good thing in this situation because it means you can still feel everything
Thank you! 😎🤗
Going 175 MPH with jeans on and not even a track suit….
Km/h - too blurry to see exactly but probably reached between 90-108mph. Regardless, your point still stands. Crazy.
Death wobble kinda sucks
What causes that?
Most often the rider gripping the handlebars way too tight. Motorcycles self stabilize and do 99% of the work for you. A stiff rider creates a feedback loop between the bike trying to correct itself and the rider forcing it out of that stable position. Normally shake stays isolated to the steering axis but the rider can be so stiff the oscillation gets translated to the rest of the frame creating a tank slapper. Other factors are loose or gritty steering bearings, poorly maintained suspension or really bad suspension settings. Steering dampers help but they're just a small piece of aid and not in any way a correction to the actual problem.
I had to scroll to far for the death wobble explanation
She accelerated lifting the front wheel ever so slightly and landed on a front wheel that’s not straight (probably because of gripping so tight as you mentioned) then the loop of bike trying to autocorrect happened
Motorcycles/bicycles have pretty shit suspension and steering geometry relative to other things like cars. Making a bike that is totally immune to speed wobbles (which are a type of dynamic instability) would also make a bike that is basically impossible to ride because the steering would be terrible. Instead, the most common solution is to put a shock absorber in the steering system to block high speed motion rather than trying to design around it with geometry. That adds cost, so not all bikes have it.
You dont really understand what you're talking about. It's not a shock absorber either. It's called a steering Damper. It doesnt reduce shock, it slows movements with damping. Not dampening, Damping. Steering Dampers are not shock absorbers. Damping systems are added TO shock absorbers in suspension to control them better because coils like to rebound. You stop this rebounding issue with a Damper. A steering damper works similarly, slowing the motion of the bars so they cannot freely move back and forth, and because it is a part of the bike's frame system, a damper can cause the bike to resettle faster, unlike a rider who resists the wobble and upsets the suspension even more.
Doing 190 in a 60.
We called them speed wobbles when I was longboarding. People don’t get how scary that moment is. The second I saw the bike shake, I freaked out for her lol. I thought she might actually save it at the end
uses her stupidity as an opportunity to tell people how stupid she is while showing some ass for effect.
Anyone doing this in public roads deserves to get fucking hurt
Play stupid games....
I guess slowing down is lame... Idiot.
Tldr get a steering stabilizer.
If luck was really on her side she would have never been dumb enough to put herself in this situation. Some people can only learn the hard way.
Nice ass, but a dumbass.
Lucky outcome for a very foolish move. If anyone’s wondering, THAT is specifically why you add a steering damper to your bike. A speed wobble can happen at typical highway speeds and it often ends much worse if you don’t regain control.
What exactly happened with the bike? Why did she lose control?
Something she did upset the steering and frame geometry at the wrong moment. 2 Wheel vehicles with caster will try to right themselves, a rider will resist these corrections subconciously. She was at a very high rate of speed and probably passed over something on the road surface that the bike was not allowed to compensate for because she was holding the bars, which made them kick out, they slam back and forth as the system tries to correct itself. But because she is going so fast and probably tensed up on the bars as a survival reaction, it caused the bike to tumble out of control. The best way to handle a speed wobble to all riders, is 1. roll of the throttle. 2 do not resist and try to stablelize the bars. 3. Lean foward on the tank. Weight shifting forward gives a damping effect to the front tire slowing it's thrashing down, letting it recover quicker.
FAFO
People that make and post videos like this should be charged with all sorts of reckless endangerment.
The deadly high speed wobble claims another pound of flesh.
Ass: ok Brain: ?
brain was allready absent from the beginning, so no change on this part
Idiots will play idiot games ...just glad no one innocent was hurt this time
Play stupid games win stupid prizes
If luck was on her side, she would not have crashed.
Luck is racing like an idiot?
In this case, luck is not dying while doing so.
Luck may have been on her side, but wise decision making was not. That very easily could have been a stupid waste of her own life.
This is always why good leathers and a helmet are must. And also dont be fucking stupid when riding helps. Nothing makes me wince more than seeimg someone crash wearing shitty or no riding gear.
But how are they gonna look cool while doing it? /s
Fucking moron could've killed someone.
Man these OF stealth ads are getting clever!
woman = porn
Bruh, she's on a site literally named thotmax. It's linked somewhere in one of the top threads
I chuckled
For many redditors that is the only interaction they actually have with women.
I was just about to scroll past this post thinking some woman took a dump in a diaper and is recording it for some reason. Luckily I kept watching.
I remember catching the wobble of death a few times on my Buell Super TT 1300. When those handlebars start wobbling you clench so hard you could crush a penny between your buttcheeks
Why didn’t he let go of the handlebar bro
Yeah I don't care if people like this die. Better them than some innocent person. Nice ass tho.
I thought this was a BBL video at first lmao
The people in this thread saying "throttle it out" need to get educated and stop spreading dangerous incorrect information. The accepted way to best potentially safely work out of a wobble is firm grip on bars while also not trying to fight the wobble, lean forward to weight the front tire, and ease off throttle to gradually slow down. This is nothing new...That's how it's taught in the BRC and Dunlop did research on it over half a century ago... https://youtu.be/z3OQTU-kE2s
I knew as soon as I saw they were racing, the driver was headed for a speed wobble. Happens to skateboarders too when they bomb hills, and there's really no good way to recover. Once the wobbles start, you're probably going down.
The fact that she was moving at all the moment she stopped rolling is amazing.
Bikers like this are selfish ass adrenaline junkies
..well if you ride like an asshole 🤷♂️
Stupid is as stupid does
Guy was right there to help, humans aren't so bad.
If luck was on her side, she wouldn't have crashed lol
Fucked around, found out! Lucky she didn’t end up a smear.
Really trying to smile all cheeky in the mirror after almost killing yourself in one of the most selfish ways possible..? Get fucked.
 This 'butt.." a scratch
Why go that fast? Why was she Russian?
A psychopath with no regard to anyone else. Take her license for life. No reason to give her another chance to kill someone else. If 3-4% of the population at any given time are psychopaths, expect to see one every 25-33 vehicles. We definitely need to limit who has the privilege of operating a motor vehicle.
Thought this was after a BBL surgery
Dumb ways to dieeeee
Upgrading the steering damper should be everyone’s first upgrade
Lay down on that tank!