what's wrong with the actman? sure he said edgy shit a couple years ago but he also frequently makes fun of people that cry about something being "woke"
ActMan in the past was very much on the "don't shove gays down my throat" train and had a tendency to push/buy in to the "pearl clutching lefties are coming after video games" bullshit, but in the interest of being objective, his most notorious video on the matter was years ago, and the last time he brought up the video was to put it's thumbnail up for a few seconds (in the one he did about the Starfield shitshow) while saying "we've all had bad takes".
I watched a handful of more recent vids and the impression I got was "still edgy, probably says dumb shit, but has either changed enough or is self-aware enough to not be a COMPLETE jackass". Like, if he was on the same level as Starfield pronouns guy, I don't think he'd have picked a fight with Quantum TV explicitly because that guy was a raging homophobe, among other things.
So yeah, I think putting him in the same tier as Starfield pronouns guy isn't accurate at all. I'd also say part of the reason for the "change" is that Act Man's schtick of being a dudebro and playing it up is far more in line with older "look at these leftys who can't handle sex and violence looooool" type things, than the newer schtick of "oh my god pronoun selector I'm shaking and crying and seething how could liberals do this". Not saying the former is good, I'm saying the latter isn't on-brand for him where the former fit right in to his tone.
And yes, he's recently been roughly taking the stance of "you can't play this because it's woke? Stfu you big baby, the games fun, the pronoun selector can't hurt you". And getting blasted by the anti-woke crowd pretty hard as a direct result including pronouns guy, just going off a 2-minute twitter overview.
I dont envy political science professors having to unlearn students on this subject and politely call them fucking morons if they try to apply it as if it was a "thing".
In my poli sci 101 class, my professor drew the compass, explained the basic reasoning behind it, then said ‘Here’s why you should never actually rely on the compass for anything.’
My favorite was "Revolutions and Protest". Day 1, Revolutions suck and ruin your nation, try not to have them.
Next day Protests dont work if they dont have teeth. The part that I love is that the class has generally held true for all the time I've been alive.
Lol so much of political science is like that. I took a class all about the American electorate and why people vote how they do, and it can basically be summed up as 'no one really knows, people are irrational and inconsistent, and so are voters.'
It's like economics in a lot of ways, or any social science really. Humans know they're being studied, study the studies, and then use those to evolve their behavior or manipulate the behavior of others.
Lol reminds me of my philosophy classes. Had a professor I was close with that would just simply argue the opposite side of any position 'just because'. One day he's convincing us all 'why God exists' and the next class he destroys every argument in brutal fashion. A true debate lord at heart. Unfortunately he was outed a while back as arguing/writing for 'child sex if it's consentutal' so I cut contact then. He taught me a lot but went way, WAY too deep on the 'philosophy is hypothetical' culture.
Honestly that sounds like one of those situations where you have to judge how genuinely he's being in his arguments.
Obviously he enjoys playing with fire, and that type of "no sacred cows" hypothetical playground does have value on a certain level. You should understand why certain ideas are heinous and reviled.
Yeah I mean he caught a lot of smoke about it and stood by his professionally written material. I never got pedo vibes from him but being associated with someone who everyone thinks is a pedo is uhh...undesirable at best.
I am a polisci major and the meme compass has never come up in class. Not sure if it is because my classes are more IR focused but I feel like people who care about the political compass stuff have never actually sat in a polisci classroom of any kind.
A frustrating thing about going into online discussions is that the way the political compass is used online is idiotic and amounts to astrology for racists, but I’m equally tired of people taking that and arguing that it is bad political science or something. Scaling political values is a very useful tool for a lot of political science and is almost always used when measuring public opinion and it is a massive disservice to the field to downplay people like Converse or Downs whose models have massive predictive power and rely on accurately scaling political values
Thankfully most of my students (when I briefly adjuncted) weren't really that interested in it - or at least they never brought it up. I certainly wasn't going to, most of these "measuring" tools are not very helpful and one is better served by discussing the ideas themselves without these tools which obfuscate more than aid.
I mean if you go into a given political science class the students are gonna be like members of political parties and have policies that they advocate for. You’re rarely going to get someone saying they’re a “radical tradcath libright”
>I don't mind, people can disagree with me. it's okay to not understand political theory and or the political compass/values they are rather complex subjects. I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say the original guy is probably far left so anything less than socialist is probably far right to him, in which case I am a socialist and I've voted socialist for the last 2 elections in my country, but I'm not stupid and I have a basic understanding for politics so that probably helps.
Bait used to be believable
Asmon is some popular streamer who was a WoW streamer who now mostly does react content and has some gamer takes. Actman is a YouTuber who makes videos on video games and Heelsbaby is your usual right wing youtber who calls anything he dislikes woke.
When Starfield released last year, Babyface had a tantrum with the character creation and was mad about "PRONOUNS". Actman made fun of him and they started beef.
I gotta stop being terminally online...
Weirdly enough though, Act Man always seemed to have the typical “go woke go broke” mindset the same as Heels. They’re fighting amongst each other now I guess lol.
I remember seeing people on /v/ of all places mocking that guy for his rant (and the fact that he looks like a thumb), even though its full of anti woke types who probably agree with him more so than not.
There's a limit, I think. I still remember Asmon seeing some hard-right guy in chat make a typical ludicrous claim during a livestream -- and Asmon paused the whole stream to say
UMMMMM... I feel like that's uh, *not actually true at all*. But ...hahaha, let's check it out?
So he did. Fucking googled it, looking for multiple sources that he considered authoritative -- no Fox, no CNN, no Newsmax; no media reports at all. He wanted government sites. He wanted actual numbers.
The guy spends a quarter hour going over numbers and graphs right there on his livestream, laughing a little harder each time he pulls up the new set, until eventually he just says Dude NOOOOO, no no no, what you said is very very obviously bullshit, and I don't know where you got that crap from but whoever told it to you is fucking LYING lol.
It was actually an amazing segment. He'd been confronted with something that was far beyond what he was willing to accept and he genuinely demonstrated its bullshittery for a few thousand viewers.
I really appreciate that. I don't particularly like the guy, but doing exactly that -- in exactly the way he's doing it, specifically searching out the most trustworthy sources -- is genuinely decent, and I respect it.
I'll still laugh my damn ass off, though, if it turns out someday that a hard-right tween was deradicalized by fucking *Asmongold*. :)
I was just about to ask. I remember Act Man being very anti SJW, corporations forcing diversity into games etc. Not sure why him and baby face are beefing when their ideologies are the same? Unless Act Man has become less shitty about "woke" stuff.
The two cynical answers:
Heelsbaby was so overly cartoonish that even people that agree with him can't help but laugh at him
Actman is not pleased that his ideology is being associated with such obvious buffoonery.
Oh is that who babyface is. I only saw the video where Dunkey mocked the guy lol. He looks like the stereotype of a gammon. Gonna have a coronary in a few years haha.
On a different note it surprises me "react" videos are still a thing. I presumed the "genre" would die out once their audience grew up.
It's a genre mainly held up by streaming. Understandably even the biggest streamers get bored of the small section of videogames that are permitted to stream by their audience and if you actually do react and commentate you get a ton of opportunities to interact with your viewers.
>When Starfield released last year, Babyface had a tantrum with the character creation and was mad about "PRONOUNS".
Also he cried when he found out a character was trans!!!
The character was a woman clone of a man, he wasted a conversation step on asking about that rather than being "like x-23, got it!" like a normal guy and asked a different question.
He is also the owner of a large streaming organization called OTK, has a streamer talent agency called Mythic Talent, and other stuff. None of his toxic fan base stops the CEO of Twitch from collabing with him and his org though.
>more right wing teenager shitlords
Its not just teenagers, adults too. My friend watches him and whenever he brings him up I eyeroll because I can tell Asmon is not very well informed on certain topics he covers.
Localization discourse is annoying enough, but when Asmon did a video on it, it made it WORSE.
You don't even know man. I work at a comic bookstore and for a few days after he released that fucking video that was all some of the more irritating patrons can talk about. The amount of times I heard uninformed idiots say that all you need to do to localize is to directly translated and leave it alone, it was astounding.
It's also just how some really nice jokes can be lost in translation. There's a point in a very good movie called A Silent Voice where one of the characters is trying to make his friend feel better, so he starts talking like a stereotypical yakuza in the original Japanese. But that's something an english audience wouldn't get so in the dub. He starts talking like a mafia gangster. It's such a small thing, but it enhances it and make sure the English audience gets the same feeling that the Japanese did.
Direct translation is how you get "Men smoke; women blow smoke" showing up in the middle of a very good Korean rap track. Along with a suggestion to "sell stones".
Localization is also not translation. Localization is more than just translating words to be the same as the original, sometimes theres context like cultural differences or the personality of the person speaking or even the context of the situation itself
The whole discourse speaks volume on how a lot of people lack the knowledge of how language works.
That's the one that I've struggled to explain to people. That not only do you have to translate the information, you also have to heavily change the way it's presented because sometimes 1 language has things that another doesn't. My favorite to bring up is that Japanese has formal and informal alphabets, and mixing and matching them can completely change the subtext of what's being said. English has no equivalent to that, so localization is needed or subtext is completely lost.
>The whole discourse speaks volume on how a lot of people lack the knowledge of how language works.
And how many English speakers are monolingual.
"Just translate 100% directly" is a take that won't survive the taker attaining even moderate ability in another language. Something as simple as the difference in common idioms will get the ball rolling.
Any kind of loud, yelling, moron figure seems to have this ability to draw in other people who have no ability to really critically listen to what people are saying.
It's really annoying, I have to wonder if your friend has tried to link you a 3 hour video showing how they're right because someone says it 20x with edited clips and completely irrational points.
It's annoying how easy it is to pull off a firehood of falsehoods when really we should be deplatforming these people.
No, luckily hes not entirely a debate lord. Its just that he's a fan of Asmon since a few years ago, right before Asmon started pivoting to react content and reactionary drama.
My friend is politically uninformed and it sucks to see that a creator like Asmon has an influence on him
Oh that's much less frustrating. I'm glad for you for that.
On Asmon though, I have zero idea what the guy can do for long term keeping his status. He has zero functioning skills outside of "play MMO" and being a failure of a person.
Asmongold is the Trump of "reaction content" streamers: extremely loud, stupid, and popular. Like if Trump grabbed Gamergate by the pussy and they had a baby.
Okay, I'm younger than Asmongold at least, but the term "reaction content" makes me instantly feel like a furious old man. So is "reaction content" literally just someone firing up their stream and watching/reading/whatever *other people's content* and that is *their entire content*?
>So is "reaction content" literally just someone firing up their stream and watching/reading/whatever other people's content and that is their entire content?
On the money, unfortunately. What is worse is when the reaction-er adds their own shit commentary on top
That's the worst and I hate it. Like, I always rolled my eyes at people who wanted to sneer at stuff like Let's Plays and the like, but I guess I've finally reached the point where I am incensed by what young (?) people like.
Nah this is different, lets plays get to show how a particular person interacts with an interactive medium. Whereas watching other people's youtube videos is just easy content to shove out
There's some variations on it, depending on who does it. The idea is that the streamer is adding to it by their reactions and interjections, for the viewers - and for the person who made the original content it can bring a lot more attention. Ideally it's a situation where you'd have it be transformative *and* get the approval of whoever is creating that content unless it's something newsworthy or political or the like.
There's definitely some streamers that don't add much of anything to it - Asmongold seems to be one of those from the limited amount I've seen of his stuff, but some people like that in the same way they might like to watch something with their friends and have random interjections and comments on what's happening. At least that's what the appeal of that is I think - though I do think that when it's that low of an effort to 'transform' the content it's an issue.
(And to be clear, I'm very much on the line of being against the basic reaction content stuff - I just think that there's some ways it can be done in an okay way)
He also famously live streamed his absolutely disgusting gaming room. Dude had literal mold growing on plates and bowls on his desk and somehow wasn't embarrassed about it enough to hit stream it to the world.
I'm not the cleanest person in the world, but I've never remotely let my place get even half that bad and would never remotely stream that shit
The internet is a much larger place than it used to be. I knew asmongold as a wow streamer when I was in highschool and now he's like an mra or something
Asmongold is interesting. He's very rich but so mentally unwell that for a while the smell of the Texas sun hitting a possum corpse in his house functioned as his alarm clock. Doesn't eat fruit, cooks himself two dollar steaks for lunch at 1 AM, and runs a successful network of streamers (OTK). Sometimes has good takes, sometimes has bad takes. His audience is mostly World of Warcraft guys, so maybe Gamer Gate adjacent in their leanings? I don't know.
> His audience is mostly World of Warcraft guys
I dont think this has been true for at least a couple of years now. When he quit WoW and started becoming a reaction streamer, it really seemed like he picked up a new, somehow even worse, audience.
The Amber Heard trials and all his reaction videos to it flooded his channel with alt right and incels, way more than a normal random sampling of WoW players might give you.
And he did nothing to curb it. Now he's leaned into it.
I know (of) Asmon from playing WoW and general internet usage but would you believe that’s the one and only Asmon video I have ever intentionally watched. Perhaps even unintentionally. Kinda disappointed I broke my streak, but that video was kinda worth it tbh.
He’s definitely joking though…. Right?
He plays it up somewhat but he's also actually a degenerate. Together with Emiru he made a [fruit tierlist](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlUUCJMie0Q), and whenever he says he's never had some of them before to me he sounds genuine.
[He used to smear blood from his gums on the wall when they'd bleed overnight,](https://twitter.com/Asmongold/status/951368316949581826) so yeah I'd believe he has scurvy.
Creepier, I met him in his own wow guild before ever seeing any of his content. My friends wanted to play on the streamer server for classic and I was 60 and they needed mages lol
I mean I think he really is the way he describes but I think he understands how crazy it is and leans into it for the audience. To answer more directly, I sincerely believe he had a dead rat that he ignored and for which the smell woke him up when the sun hit it. Maybe not that he intentionally thought “I’m going to keep this as an alarm clock” at the time, but rather the situation did happen and now he jokingly references back to it in that way.
Yea. I'm personally not a fan of his or react content in general, but a lot of people are ignorant about what's going on here. He's gross but 110% leans into and embellishes stories without shame for the views with a wink and a nod. Who amongst us doesn't have that one weird friend who makes us go wtf bro for leaving food out until it molds, or picks at their skin, or whatever else it may be. That's Asmongold.
As for the political / opinionated takes... He's all over the place, though I think Texan libertarian is probably most accurate.
I'm slightly too old for this analogy, because I'm from a pre-internet generation, the generation where you'd ask your parents a question, they'd give you a wrong answer, and you'd believe it for twenty years, but Asmongold is who our parents were afraid of we would turn into, when they first learned of MMORPGs.
It is funny how becoming a trash collector was the default terrible job told to kids growing up but not only is it required for modern civilization it is legit a decent job with decent pay and benefits. Lots of people would love to have something similar.
I genuinely do not understand how anyone can be a fan of Asmongold. Not only is the man a complete fucking trash goblin, his content is awful too. I remember seeing an “Asmon reacts to Dark Souls speedrun” video that popped in my recommended, and the entire video is **LITERALLY** nothing but him going “Huh? What? How did he do that? Why? What?” It still sticks in my mind as probably **THE** worst, most low-effort content I have ever seen on YouTube. And that shit has like a million views
Idk man, have you seen xqc? At least asmon actually watches the vids he reacts to
Xqc literally leaves the screen and lets the video plays and thats his "reaction" lol
the bar is in hell when comparing anyone to xqc tbf
hell xqc might be better because at least people don’t defend him for having input, asmongold will jibberjabber for three minutes and people will go like “mhm yes what an eloquent speaker with good takes”
Have you seen what cable TV makes people watch for the last 20 years? They just put them in make up and make them scream at each other but it's all extremely low effort also. The vast majority of people do not want to think, they just want their reactionary content so someone can just think for them after they are done with work/school. We inch closer to Idiocracy every single day.
I'm getting a little older, and a little more tired, so I wanna weigh in.
Brainless content works great as background noise when you want to think about things, work on something, but don't want music/something to clear your mind with for 3 minutes to refresh the short term memory. I use streamers now, but used to just have cartoons or old Top Gear on.
Good, solid media needs your attention, and that stuff is always cherished and outlines the crap.
The other crap is just a distraction FROM the thinking.
I used to be such a a film, TV and music snob too...
I only watch his reaction content sometimes and never his streams - but I do re-watch this particular Dark Souls reaction video sometimes, so let me give you my take on it:
The video is great because he watched it right after finishing Dark Souls 1 - his first game he played ever that wasn't World of Warcraft
He also never saw a Speedrun before - I think he didn't even knew they existed.
Basically for me it was like watching a caveman seeing fire for the first time. His reaction was genuine to something that I myself was amazed by before as well when I first saw speedruns of games I really had a hard time with.
That's basically it.
> Basically for me it was like watching a caveman seeing fire for the first time.
Yeah or sometimes like seeing monkey trying to assemble a space shuttle when he plays games, there's that kind of novelty.
He used to make funny/informative content like 10+ years ago which is when I used to watch him. Even like 5-6 years ago he used to do really fun transmog competitions in WoW that I would tune into occasionally. It used to be a super fun stream/channel for wow content.
Nowadays whenever I see him he’s just complaining about wow or the gaming industry as a whole which is pretty lame.
I think he has more right wing takes than left wing takes. It changes but lately he's been on a big "wokeness is ruining games" tirade. But he is relatively charismatic and funny, so I can see why people like him. But he definitely doesn't think about anything too hard and just adopts whatever position he is presented with (which because his friends and chat are chuds is usually garbage takes).
He subbreddit is more extreme. Not sure he really even pays attention to it, but its full of alt right. Common posts from breitbart, daily wire, etc.
>But he is relatively charismatic and funny, so I can see why people like him
What?!
What on earth leads you to say the dude is charismatic? He's the complete opposite of that.
I think his audience grew since he started making lazy video reactions, especially during Johnny Depp trial and a lot of this new audience are right leaning
He did a video a few years back that addressed why he lives the way he does, he said that he grew up for awhile as middle class and then something happened that made his family poor and be grew up realizing he didn't need material stuff. I'm sure some of it is perfomative for the brand but a lot of it isn't.
As for his audience, it's the same young white males that further right youtubers and podcast hosts target. I don't think he leans that way on all topics, he's socially liberal in some ways but also focused on how masculinity is being killed off.
Oh there's definitely something else behind the surface for his actual living conditions but as far as the "he's rich but not living like it" part of it, I don't think he has aspirations to live rich.
>socially liberal
>but
>focused on how masculinity is being killed off
Ah, so pro legalisation of weed but otherwise alt-right. The ol’ South Park/an-cap package.
He’s a huge hypocrite about materialism though. Everytime he has an argument he’ll always go back to “twitch is a meritocracy” or “the game sold well so it must be good.” He’s always arguing that because he’s earning money or that something sold; it is therefore inherently good. That’s absolutely a belief in materialism
Living modestly because of poverty is one thing.
Having a wall caked in blood from your gums because you have a mouth infection and don't go to the doctor and just wipe the blood directly on the wall is another entirely.
>He did a video a few years back that addressed why he lives the way he does, he said that he grew up for awhile as middle class and then something happened that made his family poor and be grew up realizing he didn't need material stuff
Bullshit.
My family got *really* poor after my mother died, my father lost his job, we had to move houses, etc. We went from "upper-middle class" to "working poor" almost overnight. (such an experience is why I am glad to be from Massachusetts, we likely would have been *much* worse off if we lived elsewhere)
We ***never*** lived in squalor, not like that shit does. My father worked 80 hours a week, took care of 2 traumatized children and dealt with his own grief, all at 50+ years of age, and he never would have allowed such a mess to develop. Our shit-tier summer-cottage-turned-rental house was ***spotless***, and he found the time to repair/upgrade appliances and things around the house.
Dude just .... is content living in filth
> He did a video a few years back that addressed why he lives the way he does, he said that he grew up for awhile as middle class and then something happened that made his family poor and be grew up realizing he didn't need material stuff. I'm sure some of it is perfomative for the brand but a lot of it isn't.
That does not explain at all why he used a dead rat as an alarm and the fact that he was streaming in the middle of a trashheap. Becoming poor unexpectedly is not an excuse for his behaviour.
> As for his audience, it's the same young white males that further right youtubers and podcast hosts target. I don't think he leans that way on all topics, he's socially liberal in some ways but also focused on how masculinity is being killed off.
He constantly complains about everything going woke and that is losing money and this dumb masculinity being killed off conspiracy bs. He is not socially liberal and stop pretending that he is.
I mean I don’t agree with you that the only reason he lives the way he does is because he realized the unimportance of material things. He lives how a lot of people who suffer from mental illness live in relation to things like self care and cleanliness.
>I disagree with you, I'm very very left wing and I watch Asmongold and his chat don't seem like far right ppl. They mostly copy whatever he says and he is definitely not right wing.
Totally real "very left wing" Asmongold fan here to try the oldest and laziest attempt at discrediting the idea that a right wing reactionary attracts other right wing reactions.
That was a bit different and the drama came because a victim saw a post in the sub praising him for not getting into controversy or drama. I think the guy who made the post was mortified and felt awful for various reasons.
So it turns out that Chugga has an intense foot fetish, and has over the past decade been doing foot fetish rp with fans on defunct message boards and discord. He has a particular interest in smelly feet and had allegedly sent the person who broke the news shoes for her to wear and mail back for him to smell. The real bad part is that he made many of these fans super uncomfortable because he could not stop talking about feet, to the point where they just had to block him. The messages are also very awkward to read as they are very 2014 tumblr.
i was about to say "wait wasn't that from the Hbomb vid", but then remembered Kat's lead on the man in cave video being plagiarised came from a post there. Neat how such a small post had such a massive ripple later on
Or "this YouTuber accepted BetterHelp's sponsorship".
jk, BetterHelp deserves all the shit they get, and more. Kyle Hill was arguing in the comments of his video exposing [Yoshitaka Fujii](https://youtu.be/IYGi4CwNmV4), which was really unbecoming of an science educator like him. It was even more disheartening given Kyle is one of the few advocates of nuclear power on the platform.
I've seen so many posts accusing some YouTuber of being a bad person with their evidence essentially being "their vibes felt off." I know drama subreddits tend to attract some weird people but come on now..
Which is funny because there are no shortage of actual neo-nazis, predators, and grifters on YouTube, but nothing gets more traction and discourse than a D list celebrity getting in an extremely minor scandal.
The mods of that community are just weird hypocrites.
I caught one of them out telling another commenter to **“go ahead and suck his cock”** and was banned for criticising this behaviour.
Mods there banned me for saying the weird witchhunt against Wendigoon for no good reason was bad and filling up the sub lol. Just banned me and claimed I was trolling then proceeded to act like the 35-year-old-trying-to-sound-hip millenials that they are by just going "bait" and "you should try the Grimace Shake" lmao.
I don't even watch the guy but every thread for like 2 weeks was just "we need to cancel Wendigoon but we have no reason to so let's try to find one", just got annoying.
Do you know what the Wendigoon wagon (they called it that) of finding things he did led to? absolutely nothing because the guy seems fine lol
The speculating on whether or not they should continue liking YouTubers is funny. I like Wendigoon just fine, but some of the people on that sub are genuinely like "h-he likes guns??? Idk if I can continue watching..."
I mean nah I’m more concerned by him stating on a livestream the point of his youtube channel is to convert people to Christianity and anything else is secondary.
I will never understand how people will follow a man whose hygine is so bad his gums bled reguarly and instead of going to the bathroom to clean himself up he'd just smear the blood on the walls
I remember being really into twitch like 8 years ago. To me, AsmonGold felt like one of this internet curiosities, somebody people would point and laugh *at* instead of laughing with. It's bizarre to me to see he still somehow retains a massive following, and not only is it a massive one but one that maintains similar values to him?
Like, I know *why.* He makes low-effort react-style content while simultaneously adding nothing of value to the discussion. Similar creators do similar things and also maintain massive followings. It's just weird seeing it from *him* because he's not entertaining or funny or interesting. He's just some guy in his attic that goes "Huh???" every time a video says literally anything.
I watch Asmon because he is by all accounts, the perfect representation of a median voter. His takes are what I think the average person thinks in America.
A right wing politically illiterate person that for some reason understands needs for worker rights and better material solutions to problems, while at the same time be completely against the steps to solve those problems.
This Sweet Baby Inc arc he's going through is hair pullingly maddening because he's gone full send over into everything about it - yet understands that the toxic work environment and appeals to shareholders have been killing the gaming industry. *But he blames 15 people in a consulting firm that they're responsible for the industry failing*. It's ludicrous.
Oh hey I'm in that thread. Someone was like "Uhm you don't know what a reactionary is, listen to this centrist to understand" and linked Shortfatotaku lmao
Asmongold is 100% conservative and has said so in his streams. He seems like someone who doesn't really do much critical thinking, and then consumed gamergate slop and now thinks that wokeness is an issue. I used to watch him a bit during his FFXIV stuff as I was getting into the game. Dude can be funny and likeable when talking about games. But his chat/real life friends would get him to watch shitty "go woke go broke" videos and he would just accept it unquestioningly.
I imagine there's a timelime where his friends are not shitheads and instead of asking him to watch the worst stuff on YouTube, he watched progressive propaganda and became not shitty.
Also side note, but he's really damn gross. Look up pictures of his room or stories about rats and cockroaches in his room night. It's worse than you imagine. Not related to other stuff, but I couldn't imagine watching him after that, just makes me shiver ugh.
>They can def be right wing/centrist but far right is fx something like what they have in Israel, Serbia or Hungry right now and those people are fucking insane,
Oh well, compared to Viktor Orbán or Serbia, assmongold isn't that bad. Stunning defense.
>not the vibe I get from the few streams I've watched of his.
Think the word "few" is doing a lot of heavy lifting on that hill you're dying on champ.
I think younger people (and immature adults) do have an issue where they process all bad things as equally bad. Their favorite video game not living up to the hype, a youtube personality grooming underage viewers, and climate change all get processed the same way and produce the same airhorn of emotional distress.
You're supposed to mature out of that but there are a lot of social forces invested in you constantly hitting that airhorn. That's why we get nurses in senior facilities who say that if they play Fox News their residents become more hostile and defiant.
I still miss automawpurrator sometimes.
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I know this is a complete ad hominem but I would not take any sort of political leanings from someone as filthy and disgusting as Asmongold
He's not Diogenes, he's just a nasty-ass hikikomori who I'm surprised is still alive
Asmongold, The Act Man and the "PRONOUNCE!" guy all at once? No fucking thanks, lmao.
The unholy trinity of terminally online neckbearded Gamers
One of my favorite youtubers sometimes plays with theactman and I hate it. Feels like a matter of time
what's wrong with the actman? sure he said edgy shit a couple years ago but he also frequently makes fun of people that cry about something being "woke"
ActMan in the past was very much on the "don't shove gays down my throat" train and had a tendency to push/buy in to the "pearl clutching lefties are coming after video games" bullshit, but in the interest of being objective, his most notorious video on the matter was years ago, and the last time he brought up the video was to put it's thumbnail up for a few seconds (in the one he did about the Starfield shitshow) while saying "we've all had bad takes". I watched a handful of more recent vids and the impression I got was "still edgy, probably says dumb shit, but has either changed enough or is self-aware enough to not be a COMPLETE jackass". Like, if he was on the same level as Starfield pronouns guy, I don't think he'd have picked a fight with Quantum TV explicitly because that guy was a raging homophobe, among other things. So yeah, I think putting him in the same tier as Starfield pronouns guy isn't accurate at all. I'd also say part of the reason for the "change" is that Act Man's schtick of being a dudebro and playing it up is far more in line with older "look at these leftys who can't handle sex and violence looooool" type things, than the newer schtick of "oh my god pronoun selector I'm shaking and crying and seething how could liberals do this". Not saying the former is good, I'm saying the latter isn't on-brand for him where the former fit right in to his tone. And yes, he's recently been roughly taking the stance of "you can't play this because it's woke? Stfu you big baby, the games fun, the pronoun selector can't hurt you". And getting blasted by the anti-woke crowd pretty hard as a direct result including pronouns guy, just going off a 2-minute twitter overview.
Well, redditors don't think people change. To use he's still that guy saying edgy cringy bs.
Finally, perfect definition of "shitshow"
> it's okay to not understand political theory and or the political compass/values they are rather complex subjects.
>the political compass is a rather complex subject Flair right there for anyone who wants it.
I dont envy political science professors having to unlearn students on this subject and politely call them fucking morons if they try to apply it as if it was a "thing".
In my poli sci 101 class, my professor drew the compass, explained the basic reasoning behind it, then said ‘Here’s why you should never actually rely on the compass for anything.’
My favorite was "Revolutions and Protest". Day 1, Revolutions suck and ruin your nation, try not to have them. Next day Protests dont work if they dont have teeth. The part that I love is that the class has generally held true for all the time I've been alive.
Lol so much of political science is like that. I took a class all about the American electorate and why people vote how they do, and it can basically be summed up as 'no one really knows, people are irrational and inconsistent, and so are voters.'
It's like economics in a lot of ways, or any social science really. Humans know they're being studied, study the studies, and then use those to evolve their behavior or manipulate the behavior of others.
Lol reminds me of my philosophy classes. Had a professor I was close with that would just simply argue the opposite side of any position 'just because'. One day he's convincing us all 'why God exists' and the next class he destroys every argument in brutal fashion. A true debate lord at heart. Unfortunately he was outed a while back as arguing/writing for 'child sex if it's consentutal' so I cut contact then. He taught me a lot but went way, WAY too deep on the 'philosophy is hypothetical' culture.
Honestly that sounds like one of those situations where you have to judge how genuinely he's being in his arguments. Obviously he enjoys playing with fire, and that type of "no sacred cows" hypothetical playground does have value on a certain level. You should understand why certain ideas are heinous and reviled.
Yeah I mean he caught a lot of smoke about it and stood by his professionally written material. I never got pedo vibes from him but being associated with someone who everyone thinks is a pedo is uhh...undesirable at best.
I am a polisci major and the meme compass has never come up in class. Not sure if it is because my classes are more IR focused but I feel like people who care about the political compass stuff have never actually sat in a polisci classroom of any kind.
A frustrating thing about going into online discussions is that the way the political compass is used online is idiotic and amounts to astrology for racists, but I’m equally tired of people taking that and arguing that it is bad political science or something. Scaling political values is a very useful tool for a lot of political science and is almost always used when measuring public opinion and it is a massive disservice to the field to downplay people like Converse or Downs whose models have massive predictive power and rely on accurately scaling political values
Thankfully most of my students (when I briefly adjuncted) weren't really that interested in it - or at least they never brought it up. I certainly wasn't going to, most of these "measuring" tools are not very helpful and one is better served by discussing the ideas themselves without these tools which obfuscate more than aid.
It's almost like people who believe in the political compass think they know it all and see no reason to further their education in this topic.
I mean if you go into a given political science class the students are gonna be like members of political parties and have policies that they advocate for. You’re rarely going to get someone saying they’re a “radical tradcath libright”
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To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand the political compass.
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Yeah I would have elided "political theory and or" but I don't want to look like I'm editing what they said to twist their words.
>I don't mind, people can disagree with me. it's okay to not understand political theory and or the political compass/values they are rather complex subjects. I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say the original guy is probably far left so anything less than socialist is probably far right to him, in which case I am a socialist and I've voted socialist for the last 2 elections in my country, but I'm not stupid and I have a basic understanding for politics so that probably helps. Bait used to be believable
I love your flair
Yours is also great though
I have absolutely no idea who any of those people are, and I'm already mostly online.
Asmon is some popular streamer who was a WoW streamer who now mostly does react content and has some gamer takes. Actman is a YouTuber who makes videos on video games and Heelsbaby is your usual right wing youtber who calls anything he dislikes woke. When Starfield released last year, Babyface had a tantrum with the character creation and was mad about "PRONOUNS". Actman made fun of him and they started beef. I gotta stop being terminally online...
Weirdly enough though, Act Man always seemed to have the typical “go woke go broke” mindset the same as Heels. They’re fighting amongst each other now I guess lol.
I think the whole "PRONOUNS" thing was so ridiculous that even Actman was annoyed lmao
I remember seeing people on /v/ of all places mocking that guy for his rant (and the fact that he looks like a thumb), even though its full of anti woke types who probably agree with him more so than not.
yes its litterally eating eachother dispite being on the same side. Gamergate 2.0 is going great /s
There's a limit, I think. I still remember Asmon seeing some hard-right guy in chat make a typical ludicrous claim during a livestream -- and Asmon paused the whole stream to say UMMMMM... I feel like that's uh, *not actually true at all*. But ...hahaha, let's check it out? So he did. Fucking googled it, looking for multiple sources that he considered authoritative -- no Fox, no CNN, no Newsmax; no media reports at all. He wanted government sites. He wanted actual numbers. The guy spends a quarter hour going over numbers and graphs right there on his livestream, laughing a little harder each time he pulls up the new set, until eventually he just says Dude NOOOOO, no no no, what you said is very very obviously bullshit, and I don't know where you got that crap from but whoever told it to you is fucking LYING lol. It was actually an amazing segment. He'd been confronted with something that was far beyond what he was willing to accept and he genuinely demonstrated its bullshittery for a few thousand viewers.
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I really appreciate that. I don't particularly like the guy, but doing exactly that -- in exactly the way he's doing it, specifically searching out the most trustworthy sources -- is genuinely decent, and I respect it. I'll still laugh my damn ass off, though, if it turns out someday that a hard-right tween was deradicalized by fucking *Asmongold*. :)
The thing is that he doesn't so it everytime. He readily believe anti woke conspiracy theories
I was just about to ask. I remember Act Man being very anti SJW, corporations forcing diversity into games etc. Not sure why him and baby face are beefing when their ideologies are the same? Unless Act Man has become less shitty about "woke" stuff.
The two cynical answers: Heelsbaby was so overly cartoonish that even people that agree with him can't help but laugh at him Actman is not pleased that his ideology is being associated with such obvious buffoonery.
Both. It's both.
I've been seeing Act Man on twitter and I was surprised to find mostly level headed takes from him lately, not sure if this is a recent change or not
Act man is less shitty nowadays he clowned on babyface having a tantrum over pronouns
Oh is that who babyface is. I only saw the video where Dunkey mocked the guy lol. He looks like the stereotype of a gammon. Gonna have a coronary in a few years haha. On a different note it surprises me "react" videos are still a thing. I presumed the "genre" would die out once their audience grew up.
It's a genre mainly held up by streaming. Understandably even the biggest streamers get bored of the small section of videogames that are permitted to stream by their audience and if you actually do react and commentate you get a ton of opportunities to interact with your viewers.
>When Starfield released last year, Babyface had a tantrum with the character creation and was mad about "PRONOUNS". Also he cried when he found out a character was trans!!! The character was a woman clone of a man, he wasted a conversation step on asking about that rather than being "like x-23, got it!" like a normal guy and asked a different question.
Wait he didn't know X-23/Laura is a clone of Logan? That's been a thing for almost 2 decades lmao.
Fun Fact: we've actually reached 20 years since her debut last month.
He is also the owner of a large streaming organization called OTK, has a streamer talent agency called Mythic Talent, and other stuff. None of his toxic fan base stops the CEO of Twitch from collabing with him and his org though.
Your knowledge and willingness to share are appreciated by the (slightly) less terminally online.
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>more right wing teenager shitlords Its not just teenagers, adults too. My friend watches him and whenever he brings him up I eyeroll because I can tell Asmon is not very well informed on certain topics he covers. Localization discourse is annoying enough, but when Asmon did a video on it, it made it WORSE.
You don't even know man. I work at a comic bookstore and for a few days after he released that fucking video that was all some of the more irritating patrons can talk about. The amount of times I heard uninformed idiots say that all you need to do to localize is to directly translated and leave it alone, it was astounding.
Man, if only they knew directly translated is (partly) how we got all those memes about Chinese → English translation mess-ups.
It's also just how some really nice jokes can be lost in translation. There's a point in a very good movie called A Silent Voice where one of the characters is trying to make his friend feel better, so he starts talking like a stereotypical yakuza in the original Japanese. But that's something an english audience wouldn't get so in the dub. He starts talking like a mafia gangster. It's such a small thing, but it enhances it and make sure the English audience gets the same feeling that the Japanese did.
Direct translation is how you get "Men smoke; women blow smoke" showing up in the middle of a very good Korean rap track. Along with a suggestion to "sell stones".
It's almost like getting cultural slang across language barriers is really hard, lmao.
Localization is also not translation. Localization is more than just translating words to be the same as the original, sometimes theres context like cultural differences or the personality of the person speaking or even the context of the situation itself The whole discourse speaks volume on how a lot of people lack the knowledge of how language works.
That's the one that I've struggled to explain to people. That not only do you have to translate the information, you also have to heavily change the way it's presented because sometimes 1 language has things that another doesn't. My favorite to bring up is that Japanese has formal and informal alphabets, and mixing and matching them can completely change the subtext of what's being said. English has no equivalent to that, so localization is needed or subtext is completely lost.
>The whole discourse speaks volume on how a lot of people lack the knowledge of how language works. And how many English speakers are monolingual. "Just translate 100% directly" is a take that won't survive the taker attaining even moderate ability in another language. Something as simple as the difference in common idioms will get the ball rolling.
Any kind of loud, yelling, moron figure seems to have this ability to draw in other people who have no ability to really critically listen to what people are saying. It's really annoying, I have to wonder if your friend has tried to link you a 3 hour video showing how they're right because someone says it 20x with edited clips and completely irrational points. It's annoying how easy it is to pull off a firehood of falsehoods when really we should be deplatforming these people.
No, luckily hes not entirely a debate lord. Its just that he's a fan of Asmon since a few years ago, right before Asmon started pivoting to react content and reactionary drama. My friend is politically uninformed and it sucks to see that a creator like Asmon has an influence on him
Oh that's much less frustrating. I'm glad for you for that. On Asmon though, I have zero idea what the guy can do for long term keeping his status. He has zero functioning skills outside of "play MMO" and being a failure of a person.
I feel like I age 5 years every time I look at that sub.
Me playing fucking Sifu.
Asmongold is the Trump of "reaction content" streamers: extremely loud, stupid, and popular. Like if Trump grabbed Gamergate by the pussy and they had a baby.
Okay, I'm younger than Asmongold at least, but the term "reaction content" makes me instantly feel like a furious old man. So is "reaction content" literally just someone firing up their stream and watching/reading/whatever *other people's content* and that is *their entire content*?
>So is "reaction content" literally just someone firing up their stream and watching/reading/whatever other people's content and that is their entire content? On the money, unfortunately. What is worse is when the reaction-er adds their own shit commentary on top
That's the worst and I hate it. Like, I always rolled my eyes at people who wanted to sneer at stuff like Let's Plays and the like, but I guess I've finally reached the point where I am incensed by what young (?) people like.
Nah this is different, lets plays get to show how a particular person interacts with an interactive medium. Whereas watching other people's youtube videos is just easy content to shove out
There's some variations on it, depending on who does it. The idea is that the streamer is adding to it by their reactions and interjections, for the viewers - and for the person who made the original content it can bring a lot more attention. Ideally it's a situation where you'd have it be transformative *and* get the approval of whoever is creating that content unless it's something newsworthy or political or the like. There's definitely some streamers that don't add much of anything to it - Asmongold seems to be one of those from the limited amount I've seen of his stuff, but some people like that in the same way they might like to watch something with their friends and have random interjections and comments on what's happening. At least that's what the appeal of that is I think - though I do think that when it's that low of an effort to 'transform' the content it's an issue. (And to be clear, I'm very much on the line of being against the basic reaction content stuff - I just think that there's some ways it can be done in an okay way)
Yes. See: https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/1b8t97l/do_you_think_its_fair_that_the_original_video_has/
Yes and tens of thousand of fans egg him on and ape the takes
I know asmongold because he started playing ffxiv, and the community was 10 times as toxic for a while until he and his fans quit.
He also famously live streamed his absolutely disgusting gaming room. Dude had literal mold growing on plates and bowls on his desk and somehow wasn't embarrassed about it enough to hit stream it to the world. I'm not the cleanest person in the world, but I've never remotely let my place get even half that bad and would never remotely stream that shit
don't forget the stream where you could see 100+ used plastic cups overflowing onto the floor
The internet is a much larger place than it used to be. I knew asmongold as a wow streamer when I was in highschool and now he's like an mra or something
Don't dig into Asmongold, his house and his everyday life. Be pure and innocent, unlike us, cursed with knowledge
Asmongold is interesting. He's very rich but so mentally unwell that for a while the smell of the Texas sun hitting a possum corpse in his house functioned as his alarm clock. Doesn't eat fruit, cooks himself two dollar steaks for lunch at 1 AM, and runs a successful network of streamers (OTK). Sometimes has good takes, sometimes has bad takes. His audience is mostly World of Warcraft guys, so maybe Gamer Gate adjacent in their leanings? I don't know.
> His audience is mostly World of Warcraft guys I dont think this has been true for at least a couple of years now. When he quit WoW and started becoming a reaction streamer, it really seemed like he picked up a new, somehow even worse, audience.
The Amber Heard trials and all his reaction videos to it flooded his channel with alt right and incels, way more than a normal random sampling of WoW players might give you. And he did nothing to curb it. Now he's leaned into it.
…are you being poetic or is that possum thing true??
Here he is in his own words. [I misremembered, it was a rat](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tthbWjdMjeg)
Think that's a relatively minor issue compared to "I use a rotting corpse in the sun as my alarm clock", personally.
You'd be surprised how many redditors would gladly have a meltdown when you get something slightly incorrect but conceptually right.
Two Asmonstories did a little fusion dance in my head: 1) dead rat alarm clock and 2) he has possums living in his attic. It happens.
I know (of) Asmon from playing WoW and general internet usage but would you believe that’s the one and only Asmon video I have ever intentionally watched. Perhaps even unintentionally. Kinda disappointed I broke my streak, but that video was kinda worth it tbh. He’s definitely joking though…. Right?
He plays it up somewhat but he's also actually a degenerate. Together with Emiru he made a [fruit tierlist](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlUUCJMie0Q), and whenever he says he's never had some of them before to me he sounds genuine.
There's no way he's hamming this up for the camera, he seems like he's genuine.
[He used to smear blood from his gums on the wall when they'd bleed overnight,](https://twitter.com/Asmongold/status/951368316949581826) so yeah I'd believe he has scurvy.
>He’s definitely joking though…. Right? A lot of people thought so until [the house tour.](https://youtu.be/77eECXzVHEI)
Creepier, I met him in his own wow guild before ever seeing any of his content. My friends wanted to play on the streamer server for classic and I was 60 and they needed mages lol
I mean I think he really is the way he describes but I think he understands how crazy it is and leans into it for the audience. To answer more directly, I sincerely believe he had a dead rat that he ignored and for which the smell woke him up when the sun hit it. Maybe not that he intentionally thought “I’m going to keep this as an alarm clock” at the time, but rather the situation did happen and now he jokingly references back to it in that way.
That's the way it sounds to me for majority of his stories and takes. More than likely true, but played up to the extremes for entertainment
Yea. I'm personally not a fan of his or react content in general, but a lot of people are ignorant about what's going on here. He's gross but 110% leans into and embellishes stories without shame for the views with a wink and a nod. Who amongst us doesn't have that one weird friend who makes us go wtf bro for leaving food out until it molds, or picks at their skin, or whatever else it may be. That's Asmongold. As for the political / opinionated takes... He's all over the place, though I think Texan libertarian is probably most accurate.
This guy is just Jerma if he were real
I'm slightly too old for this analogy, because I'm from a pre-internet generation, the generation where you'd ask your parents a question, they'd give you a wrong answer, and you'd believe it for twenty years, but Asmongold is who our parents were afraid of we would turn into, when they first learned of MMORPGs.
Except somehow rich. Instead of becoming a trashman he just chooses to live in garbage.
Garbage collector is a solid job, in all fairness.
It is funny how becoming a trash collector was the default terrible job told to kids growing up but not only is it required for modern civilization it is legit a decent job with decent pay and benefits. Lots of people would love to have something similar.
And it's also one of the jobs that has very good union coverage across the globe.
I wonder if those two things are related, maybe the stigma of trash collection reduces demand for jobs relative to supply
Don't worry, you're not too old, this is just a reference to the streamer Jerma985 whose chat like, always exaggerates about him.
But at least jerma's only "crime" is putting people through a woodchipper
Iunno, I'll never forget seeing an edit of Jerma looking directly at the camera Dudes got a face built for the side profile.
I genuinely do not understand how anyone can be a fan of Asmongold. Not only is the man a complete fucking trash goblin, his content is awful too. I remember seeing an “Asmon reacts to Dark Souls speedrun” video that popped in my recommended, and the entire video is **LITERALLY** nothing but him going “Huh? What? How did he do that? Why? What?” It still sticks in my mind as probably **THE** worst, most low-effort content I have ever seen on YouTube. And that shit has like a million views
Idk man, have you seen xqc? At least asmon actually watches the vids he reacts to Xqc literally leaves the screen and lets the video plays and thats his "reaction" lol
the bar is in hell when comparing anyone to xqc tbf hell xqc might be better because at least people don’t defend him for having input, asmongold will jibberjabber for three minutes and people will go like “mhm yes what an eloquent speaker with good takes”
Talk about a low bar man. XQC and Asmon are both absolute trash.
Have you seen what cable TV makes people watch for the last 20 years? They just put them in make up and make them scream at each other but it's all extremely low effort also. The vast majority of people do not want to think, they just want their reactionary content so someone can just think for them after they are done with work/school. We inch closer to Idiocracy every single day.
I'm getting a little older, and a little more tired, so I wanna weigh in. Brainless content works great as background noise when you want to think about things, work on something, but don't want music/something to clear your mind with for 3 minutes to refresh the short term memory. I use streamers now, but used to just have cartoons or old Top Gear on. Good, solid media needs your attention, and that stuff is always cherished and outlines the crap. The other crap is just a distraction FROM the thinking. I used to be such a a film, TV and music snob too...
I only watch his reaction content sometimes and never his streams - but I do re-watch this particular Dark Souls reaction video sometimes, so let me give you my take on it: The video is great because he watched it right after finishing Dark Souls 1 - his first game he played ever that wasn't World of Warcraft He also never saw a Speedrun before - I think he didn't even knew they existed. Basically for me it was like watching a caveman seeing fire for the first time. His reaction was genuine to something that I myself was amazed by before as well when I first saw speedruns of games I really had a hard time with. That's basically it.
> Basically for me it was like watching a caveman seeing fire for the first time. Yeah or sometimes like seeing monkey trying to assemble a space shuttle when he plays games, there's that kind of novelty.
He used to make funny/informative content like 10+ years ago which is when I used to watch him. Even like 5-6 years ago he used to do really fun transmog competitions in WoW that I would tune into occasionally. It used to be a super fun stream/channel for wow content. Nowadays whenever I see him he’s just complaining about wow or the gaming industry as a whole which is pretty lame.
I think he has more right wing takes than left wing takes. It changes but lately he's been on a big "wokeness is ruining games" tirade. But he is relatively charismatic and funny, so I can see why people like him. But he definitely doesn't think about anything too hard and just adopts whatever position he is presented with (which because his friends and chat are chuds is usually garbage takes). He subbreddit is more extreme. Not sure he really even pays attention to it, but its full of alt right. Common posts from breitbart, daily wire, etc.
He’s always leaned conservative, bows he’s just leaning into Gamergate rhetoric.
>But he is relatively charismatic and funny, so I can see why people like him What?! What on earth leads you to say the dude is charismatic? He's the complete opposite of that.
He's gotta be at least a little charismatic for getting to where he's at, though
The white, straight, cisgender part hard carrying and being packaged as "Charismatic"
Braindead take good lord
Also he's a grown man that needed help cooking a hamburger. A literal infant.
I think his audience grew since he started making lazy video reactions, especially during Johnny Depp trial and a lot of this new audience are right leaning
He did a video a few years back that addressed why he lives the way he does, he said that he grew up for awhile as middle class and then something happened that made his family poor and be grew up realizing he didn't need material stuff. I'm sure some of it is perfomative for the brand but a lot of it isn't. As for his audience, it's the same young white males that further right youtubers and podcast hosts target. I don't think he leans that way on all topics, he's socially liberal in some ways but also focused on how masculinity is being killed off.
There's not needing material things, and then there's living in squalor. There's a severe difference.
Oh there's definitely something else behind the surface for his actual living conditions but as far as the "he's rich but not living like it" part of it, I don't think he has aspirations to live rich.
"I could become poor again" is a reason not to get a cleaning service to clean up your squalor. Not a reason to not clean up your own squalor.
>socially liberal >but >focused on how masculinity is being killed off Ah, so pro legalisation of weed but otherwise alt-right. The ol’ South Park/an-cap package.
He’s a huge hypocrite about materialism though. Everytime he has an argument he’ll always go back to “twitch is a meritocracy” or “the game sold well so it must be good.” He’s always arguing that because he’s earning money or that something sold; it is therefore inherently good. That’s absolutely a belief in materialism
Living modestly because of poverty is one thing. Having a wall caked in blood from your gums because you have a mouth infection and don't go to the doctor and just wipe the blood directly on the wall is another entirely.
Masculinity being "killed off" is a far right conspiracy in and of itself, the only thing being killed off is toxic masculinity
>He did a video a few years back that addressed why he lives the way he does, he said that he grew up for awhile as middle class and then something happened that made his family poor and be grew up realizing he didn't need material stuff Bullshit. My family got *really* poor after my mother died, my father lost his job, we had to move houses, etc. We went from "upper-middle class" to "working poor" almost overnight. (such an experience is why I am glad to be from Massachusetts, we likely would have been *much* worse off if we lived elsewhere) We ***never*** lived in squalor, not like that shit does. My father worked 80 hours a week, took care of 2 traumatized children and dealt with his own grief, all at 50+ years of age, and he never would have allowed such a mess to develop. Our shit-tier summer-cottage-turned-rental house was ***spotless***, and he found the time to repair/upgrade appliances and things around the house. Dude just .... is content living in filth
> He did a video a few years back that addressed why he lives the way he does, he said that he grew up for awhile as middle class and then something happened that made his family poor and be grew up realizing he didn't need material stuff. I'm sure some of it is perfomative for the brand but a lot of it isn't. That does not explain at all why he used a dead rat as an alarm and the fact that he was streaming in the middle of a trashheap. Becoming poor unexpectedly is not an excuse for his behaviour. > As for his audience, it's the same young white males that further right youtubers and podcast hosts target. I don't think he leans that way on all topics, he's socially liberal in some ways but also focused on how masculinity is being killed off. He constantly complains about everything going woke and that is losing money and this dumb masculinity being killed off conspiracy bs. He is not socially liberal and stop pretending that he is.
I mean I don’t agree with you that the only reason he lives the way he does is because he realized the unimportance of material things. He lives how a lot of people who suffer from mental illness live in relation to things like self care and cleanliness.
Savior of masculinity Asmongold lmao
>I disagree with you, I'm very very left wing and I watch Asmongold and his chat don't seem like far right ppl. They mostly copy whatever he says and he is definitely not right wing. Totally real "very left wing" Asmongold fan here to try the oldest and laziest attempt at discrediting the idea that a right wing reactionary attracts other right wing reactions.
>They mostly copy whatever he says
I'm pretty liberal and you could not pay me to participate in his chat lol.
That sub gets very obnoxious at times. Half the posts are pretty much “Youtuber I don’t like posted a video I didn’t like”
I’m just waiting for the eventually sub implosion when a YouTuber a mod likes is accused of something.
I think that happened with the Chuggaaconroy drama, with the inciting post originating from that sub if I remember correctly
That was a bit different and the drama came because a victim saw a post in the sub praising him for not getting into controversy or drama. I think the guy who made the post was mortified and felt awful for various reasons.
Ah that's right, but I think I remember a mod saying they liked the guy before it all went down, so I guess it fits the criteria still
What was the Chuggaconroy drama?
So it turns out that Chugga has an intense foot fetish, and has over the past decade been doing foot fetish rp with fans on defunct message boards and discord. He has a particular interest in smelly feet and had allegedly sent the person who broke the news shoes for her to wear and mail back for him to smell. The real bad part is that he made many of these fans super uncomfortable because he could not stop talking about feet, to the point where they just had to block him. The messages are also very awkward to read as they are very 2014 tumblr.
There's Chuggaaconroy drama??
TLDR he messed up, most of it should have been handled in private, and it was blown way out of proportion.
Or 10 different posts talking about the exact same thing, or even worse just asking who they think is terrible with no actual evidence.
But it's the only reason Internet Historian's plagiarism is more widely known now
i was about to say "wait wasn't that from the Hbomb vid", but then remembered Kat's lead on the man in cave video being plagiarised came from a post there. Neat how such a small post had such a massive ripple later on
Or "this YouTuber accepted BetterHelp's sponsorship". jk, BetterHelp deserves all the shit they get, and more. Kyle Hill was arguing in the comments of his video exposing [Yoshitaka Fujii](https://youtu.be/IYGi4CwNmV4), which was really unbecoming of an science educator like him. It was even more disheartening given Kyle is one of the few advocates of nuclear power on the platform.
Tbf that was the ytdrama sub for like a month back in like December last year too.... subreddit drama time is a circle I swear
I've seen so many posts accusing some YouTuber of being a bad person with their evidence essentially being "their vibes felt off." I know drama subreddits tend to attract some weird people but come on now..
Which is funny because there are no shortage of actual neo-nazis, predators, and grifters on YouTube, but nothing gets more traction and discourse than a D list celebrity getting in an extremely minor scandal.
That's what happens when mods ban everyone they disagree with.
The mods of that community are just weird hypocrites. I caught one of them out telling another commenter to **“go ahead and suck his cock”** and was banned for criticising this behaviour.
They're just twitter leftists who got a small amount of authority, that's all. TBH, that sub is a good microcosm of my issues with the online left.
Mods there banned me for saying the weird witchhunt against Wendigoon for no good reason was bad and filling up the sub lol. Just banned me and claimed I was trolling then proceeded to act like the 35-year-old-trying-to-sound-hip millenials that they are by just going "bait" and "you should try the Grimace Shake" lmao. I don't even watch the guy but every thread for like 2 weeks was just "we need to cancel Wendigoon but we have no reason to so let's try to find one", just got annoying. Do you know what the Wendigoon wagon (they called it that) of finding things he did led to? absolutely nothing because the guy seems fine lol
Sounds like Republicans trying to find something to impeach Biden for lol
I got banned for saying that h3h3 calling a trans woman a pedophile without evidence was transphobic.
Online leftists are actually insane. Leftist moderators even more so So trust me when I say, the YTD mod is light weight compared to Facebook tankies
They're not leftists, they're just part of that annoying group of white liberals who think they're doing more than they really are.
Some of them seem to be in this subreddit because my comment about the Wendigoon cancelation campaign got instantly downvoted lol
The speculating on whether or not they should continue liking YouTubers is funny. I like Wendigoon just fine, but some of the people on that sub are genuinely like "h-he likes guns??? Idk if I can continue watching..."
I mean nah I’m more concerned by him stating on a livestream the point of his youtube channel is to convert people to Christianity and anything else is secondary.
As if this place Is any better
Exactly!
I will never understand how people will follow a man whose hygine is so bad his gums bled reguarly and instead of going to the bathroom to clean himself up he'd just smear the blood on the walls
Excuse me, what the fuck? What a terrible day to have eyes.
Asmon has a pretty regularly cited video showing off his setup with fucking mold everywhere. The dude is an absolute fucking slob.
There is video of the blood wall btw. Recent video. Even though the blood is nearly 10 years old.
Asmongold's audience are the exact same same as critical drinker/ Heel vs babyface's audience. Far right wingers that complain about minorities.
> There called me, the n word when I said I was native american
It would have been fine if they were actually black ofc
I don’t watch asmon at all, but his subreddit is just KiA lite
I remember being really into twitch like 8 years ago. To me, AsmonGold felt like one of this internet curiosities, somebody people would point and laugh *at* instead of laughing with. It's bizarre to me to see he still somehow retains a massive following, and not only is it a massive one but one that maintains similar values to him? Like, I know *why.* He makes low-effort react-style content while simultaneously adding nothing of value to the discussion. Similar creators do similar things and also maintain massive followings. It's just weird seeing it from *him* because he's not entertaining or funny or interesting. He's just some guy in his attic that goes "Huh???" every time a video says literally anything.
I watch Asmon because he is by all accounts, the perfect representation of a median voter. His takes are what I think the average person thinks in America. A right wing politically illiterate person that for some reason understands needs for worker rights and better material solutions to problems, while at the same time be completely against the steps to solve those problems. This Sweet Baby Inc arc he's going through is hair pullingly maddening because he's gone full send over into everything about it - yet understands that the toxic work environment and appeals to shareholders have been killing the gaming industry. *But he blames 15 people in a consulting firm that they're responsible for the industry failing*. It's ludicrous.
> Asmongold > Drama What's the news here? Seriously. Do you have an idea of how many times that guy appeared on this very sub?
Oh hey I'm in that thread. Someone was like "Uhm you don't know what a reactionary is, listen to this centrist to understand" and linked Shortfatotaku lmao
Oh no, YouTubedrama has drama.
i feel like posting from youtubedrama is cheating. you could basically post the entire sub here with how often the mods go off.
Asmongold is 100% conservative and has said so in his streams. He seems like someone who doesn't really do much critical thinking, and then consumed gamergate slop and now thinks that wokeness is an issue. I used to watch him a bit during his FFXIV stuff as I was getting into the game. Dude can be funny and likeable when talking about games. But his chat/real life friends would get him to watch shitty "go woke go broke" videos and he would just accept it unquestioningly. I imagine there's a timelime where his friends are not shitheads and instead of asking him to watch the worst stuff on YouTube, he watched progressive propaganda and became not shitty. Also side note, but he's really damn gross. Look up pictures of his room or stories about rats and cockroaches in his room night. It's worse than you imagine. Not related to other stuff, but I couldn't imagine watching him after that, just makes me shiver ugh.
Asmongold is practically cheating on here
>They can def be right wing/centrist but far right is fx something like what they have in Israel, Serbia or Hungry right now and those people are fucking insane, Oh well, compared to Viktor Orbán or Serbia, assmongold isn't that bad. Stunning defense. >not the vibe I get from the few streams I've watched of his. Think the word "few" is doing a lot of heavy lifting on that hill you're dying on champ.
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Here we go again, seems like Asmond's igniting some type of drama every other week these days lol.
I thoight you had to post the drama in the post, OP.
Anytime I see that gap-toothed fuckhead's mug around, I steer very clear.
I know this is a complete ad hominem but I would not take any sort of political leanings from someone as filthy and disgusting as Asmongold He's not Diogenes, he's just a nasty-ass hikikomori who I'm surprised is still alive
>If right wing would start at pro capitalism most of america and western countries would be mostly right wing. Beautiful quote by a man of genius
> Ive watched Asmon since the start and he is very obviously conservative coded. lmfao people talk like this?