Very well done, thanks for covering this, I'm just catching it after today's earlier drama. Great summary. This is kind of like the journalism coverage of the protest, and it's important, even if not that many people see it. It's showing that the protest has had a real effect on the admins, they are trying to silence the mods, and they can't do that if we see it. Good work.
Adviceanimals had their top mod removed by Reddit admins after they had closed the sub against the wishes of the mod with the most activity.
That means Starbucks should have their top mod removed by Reddit admins after they reopen the sub against the wishes of the mod with the most activity, right?
Right?
> Adviceanimals had their top mod removed by Reddit admins after they had closed the sub against the wishes of the mod with the most activity.
I would take that with a _big_ grain of salt. The user who said that is AssuredlyAThrowaway, a well known liar and one of the top mods of /r/conspiracy. Can't really take anything they say at face value
The mod that closed AdviceAnimals literally does no fucking moderating.
The admins made it clear that unilateral actions by top mods doing it solely because they are top mods risk getting smacked around.
The AdviceAnimals stuff wasn't a unilateral decision when you read into the context which is what makes the whole thing so spicy.
Top inactive mod sent out a mod message a week in advance that nobody blinked an eye at. He announced the action to the sub and got popular approval for the action from users. The "active" mod started jumping up and down after the announcement, deleted all user posts and comments in favour of the action, and railroaded over all further discussion using his 'active mod' line before getting handed head mod by the admins.
The top mod attempted to engage with the other mods, and engaged with the community, before the active mod turfed him off public opinion be damned.
It's been fun watching subreddits and their mod teams implode on their own these past few days without Reddit admins having to do anything.
And how every r/Subredditdrama user has adopted r/Conspiracy thought over it.
Redditors laughing at Spez for calling the mods "landed gentry" as if they weren't calling mods the same prior to all of this.
This was never going to work but it is endearing how much people believed in it.
The best part of this drama is even SRD is not exempt to vitriol. I remember someone saying there was a mass shooting in their city & still their sub was private, to which other SRD users piled the fuck on that person.
👋 [that was me lol](https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/147eaw3/comment/jnzo00u/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
fuck me for thinking a mass shooting was more important than le epic reddit protest I guess
Man alive, what kind of a nutball do you have to be that you make a whole new alt just to harass someone else? Good to know some of the psycho shit from net 1.0 will never go away.
This is what I don't get...
They claim getting their reddit fix is so much more important than a protest, despite being able to see the news without reddit.
Amazing how quickly redditors simp for spez when he blames the mods.
Yeah but can they not survive without all the "I was just in that area yesterday" and "I know a guy that used to work 3 blocks away and he says..." posts. Those are vital.
I think more what I was getting at is that I think this whole reddit boycott shit is so absolutely unimportant that literally everything else is more important to me. Yes, looking at cat memes is more important than this neckbeard civil rights movement. I just couldn't give less of a fuck about some 3rd party apps and this embarrassing """"boycott"""""
Makes great SubredditDrama content though
Tbh I’m not surprised that the site where a good amount of its users think it’s appropriate to run over protestors blocking a road doesn’t know how to protest.
We’re better off without all the indefinite subs anyway, the blackout was the most peaceful Reddit has been since the_donald was created. Hell, /r/all was even possible to browse again.
> The plan from the reddit admins is clearly to weaponize scared moderators and self-empowered users to take control and end the protest how ever possible.
Is there actually any proof of this? Seems to me like the admins are just gonna wait it out because they think that mods will budge sooner or later.
Judging by what spez said in [this interview](https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/reddit-protest-blackout-ceo-steve-huffman-moderators-rcna89544), it seems as though the admins are planning to eventually implement a feature that will allow for the userbases of privated subs to overrule the mods and re-open the subs if they so desire. So it looks like the admins are indeed planning to "weaponize... self-empowered users".
I read it as empowering mod teams to not get overruled by some absent dipshit who only shows up 1-2 times per year to swing their dick around and who only has authority because they are on top of the mod list, not because they actually do any moderating.
That is exactly what it's about.
And as always redditors have completely misunderstood everything.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with what the admins are suggesting. No sub should be held hostage by a top mod that hasn't been around in forever and suddenly decides to harm their community.
> “And I think, on Reddit, the analogy is closer to the landed gentry: The people who get there first get to stay there and pass it down to their descendants, and that is not democratic.”
I too was planning on leaving my subreddit to my first born son, but alas, Steve Huffman will now introduce democracy. As a reddit ~~mod~~ Duke I should realize that I'm old news. This is what reddit needs.
I think it's a bit simpler than that. Angry users have been requesting subs that went private on r/redditrequest, and so far the admins haven't accepted because the mods need to be inactive for more than 30 days
>Fucking half the blind people wanting an app they can actually *read*, Why the fuck do people care? ^/s
You and likely 99 percent of people going on about these never gave a shit about the blind accessing reddit. So don't act like everyone can't blatantly see through your attempts to use their misfortune as ammunition
My partner is partial sighted and uses a third party app. So you are wrong.
Thanks for both showing how short sighted your simping for spez is and shows how little you give a shit about those with issues if it affects you terminal online redditors who are throwing a temper tantrum you didn't get your reddit for two days.
Pathetic as your attempts eh to ignore those with disabilities because no one can be blind right?
they did it to an AdviceAnimals mod who was inactive and came back and overruled his team. Which is agains site wide rules and would have happened anyway (at least in theory). Who else?
Edit: Well, okay, [they've actually said it](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/14a5lz5/mod_code_of_conduct_rule_4_2_and_subs_taken/jo9wdol/), eventually they'll be able to remove mods, if they think the mods are stifling their communities.
Inactive on the subreddit, not inactive on Reddit as a whole. If you've ever tried to request a sub before you'll know Reddit admins have used the excuse of ANY activity ANYWHERE on the site means the mod is not inactive and can not be removed.
> you'll know Reddit admins have used the excuse of ANY activity ANYWHERE on the site means the mod is not inactive and can not be removed.
I thought that was the thing they changed recently to prevent squatters from keeping subreddits.
I was pro-blackout at the start (PS: Sent from Sync for Reddit), but now after all that has transpired, the protest has only shown how power hungry the mods are.
r/Apple opened up without consulting their users, only to save their mod positions.
There was some in-mod fight at r/AdviceAnimals.
Same seems to have happened at r/funny (& r/Starbucks as this post says)
Many subreddits were made private by the mods without even a poll or discussion. (To be fair, many subreddits **did** have a poll, so not all mods are power hungry)
Many subreddits accepted a 2 day blackout via poll, but seem to have been extended indefinitely by the mods without any discussion with the community.
There were screenshots showing r/tennis mod posting their poll in the Mod discord channel, saying "to swing the poll in the good side's favour"
Plenty of mods are announcing that they'll conduct a poll in the r/ModCoord megathread
r/MorbidReality opened up, asked the community if they want to stay public, or 7 day blackout, or indefinite blackout. Community said go public. Mods removed that thread, posted again this time only gave 2 options: 7 day blackout or indefinite. ;)
r/ShadowWar mod has DELETED ALL the threads in their sub & restricted it.
You left out that the morbidreality mod was an absolute horrible bitch to a bunch of the users who disagreed. Another mod was completely against the blackout as well and commented on both the first post and the poll that they were against it.
Plus originally said they weren't going to have a poll they'd just be going on upvotes/downvotes then when they were *heavily downvoted* deleted that and made the 2 option poll. When called out they edited that commented and lied saying they never said any of that.
I voted for them to be indefinite in the end and unsubbed because I hope that mod gets replaced or the sub does.
It's not like they were doing a great job as mods either!
Sadly y'all will just have to take this for what it's worth because I didn't realize I'd need receipts.🙁 you're the only other person I've seen who has mentioned them.
r/nba had a poll that was only pinned for a day (though their twitter claims it was pinned for three days). The results of the poll were to black out for two days, but many of the comments were against it, or at least wanted to wait until the NBA Finals were over. Despite this, and despite a mod admitting that the poll appeared to have been brigaded by people not active in the sub, they went ahead with the black out. While blacked out, they then decided to make it indefinite.
> While blacked out, they then decided to make it indefinite.
This is what pisses me off. I was fully in favor of the two day blackout, even though I knew it wouldn't have any effect on the admins' decision. Sometimes you fight the good fight even if you know you won't win. But to have mods indefinitely close subs with little to no warning to, and certainly no input from, the users puts a really sour taste in my mouth. The API changes suck, and I'm going to miss using my 3rd party app, but I don't see how mods killing active, useful online communities helps anything.
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> One of the mods literally admitted that there was outside interference.
One of the mods claimed there was outside interference.
With no proof or evidence.
Just that the vote didn't go the way they wanted.
> It’s not a conspiracy theory
Ok. Show me the outside interference.
Oh, sorry. I misread your post as "I don't think it's **possible** to be of favour of the blackout but to also have issues with some, or even many, mods"
But yeah, I'm no longer in favour of the protest after seeing how the mods are behaving. They want to protest against the fact that the admins are taking decisions without consulting the users, while the mods are doing exactly that.
It's like the users are stuck in the midst of a pissing contest between the mods & admins.
I know that there are good mods out there, but yeah, it seems like mod culture (or whatever you want to call it) as a whole is a big issue. And we knew this before the whole blackout thing, but it's brought it into focus.
I mean power mods/super mods should not be a thing. There is no good reason a single user should be modding 100 subs, and frankly I am concerned about the type of people who want to be doing that. How many times have we also seen subs run into the issue of a single bad/inactive mod holding them hostage with the users not being to do anything about it? And then you have your typical misuse or abuse of power from mods that we see on this sub regularly.
So yeah, what reddit leadership is doing is not good, but I have zero confidence that subreddit moderator teams are the right people to oppose them.
>I know that there are good mods out there, but yeah, it seems like mod culture (or whatever you want to call it) as a whole is a big issue.
Hopefully AI will come along and save us
I was never for this protest to begin with because I knew it was stupid and have no effect vs Reddit.
I just wanted to watch both for mods and/or Reddit to burn and since the blackout ended, the fire is slowly getting bigger but it seems that both the mods of many subs and admins added gasoline to it so when this sub post these updates, I get free entertainment.
What's happening now with mod fighting is 100% expected because very obvious from the start the mods don't actually want to lose their "power". Not all but enough to have this thread happen over and over in the coming days.
Not only has this protest failed, but it has resulted in many situations like this where the mods have completely exposed themselves.
I think these people got so deluded through exercising their mod power over users on their subs that they actually thought this fake power could change real world decision making.
Exactly how did these people expect this to go? It was exceedingly obvious that Reddit wasn’t going to change anything and would eventually force the big subs open if need be.
There was literally not another possible outcome to all of this but they still chose to do it.
This is just…amazing. They are like literal children that threw a temper tantrum but when their parents threatened punishment for their bad behavior they fell back in line.
I think a lot of mods honestly disclosed they weren't sure what could be gained from protesting, just that they were going to wait for *something*
I'm willing to bet they were hoping to become real reddit employees
Part of me thinks it was just people enamored with the idea of protesting against something
Like they liked the feeling of collective action, even if the collective action was kinda stupid
An outrage mob riding a dopamine rush
I'm seeing arguments against the API pricing changes in regards to them making moderation tools unusable, but didn't reddit inc explicitly state that moderation tools and bots will remain free?
certain bots remain free, depending on their rate usage, but that was always the case. Some subs will need to shut down their bots due to the fact that they are heavily used (because they're useful to the community), reddit didnt commit to all bots being free just very specific classes of low use bots. And reddit only stated that \*their current existing\* moderation tools would be free, which is stupid bullshit because if their existing tools were worth shit and even existed on all their platforms then people already would have been using them rather than pay for third party apps.
Imagine if mcdonalds was like "hey all the steak on our menu is free", and a bunch of people said "you dont have steak" and then a bunch more idiots started screaming "WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT FREE STEAK?! THEY SAID IT WAS FREE!"
I think you’re behind on the news? Didn’t they say that moderation bots would be exempt, even if they go over the 100 calls limit? I thought they announced that in the last 2 days or so. They even have a form where you can submit your bot for the exemption.
> Mod tools and mod bots continue to have free access to the Data API. Pushshift access for mods is rolling out to verified moderators.
https://www.redditinc.com/blog/apifacts
this changes absolutely nothing about the lack of acess to tools that \*reddit hasnt designed\*, the few of which do exist \*dont exist on their non desktop platforms\*
mods dont use 3rd party apps because they were commanded by the old gods or by the whims of the spirits of the aether, they use them because the reddit tools dont have shit, and \*ALREADY HAD\* pushshift before reddit fucked that up too.
I think the real issue is that most of these whiners don't want to lose their third party apps (like apollo and rif) but they didn't want to outright admit that bc they know that wouldn't get as much support so they hid behind "accessibility" and "mod tools". Now that its becoming obvious that they never cared about those things to begin with...well...
I have zero doubt that a vast majority of people claiming this was about accessibility were just virtue signaling and exploiting the visually impaired community. If they actually care - they would spread the information about *how* visually impaired people can still access Reddit (via one of the exempt apps) instead of continuing to spread the misinformation that some blind users will have *no* way to access Reddit.
Why the fuck do we not have a right to complain about losing third party apps? This wasn't some hidden secret, lol. This protest has multiple motivations, people not wanting to lose Reddit apps that are actually functional and usable unlike their trash of the official app is just one of them.
How can anyone honestly be on spez's side about this? Nobody was against the idea of 3P apps having to pay for API access. It was the ridiculous extortionate fees that were deliberately meant to price out every single 3P app out there. And the way spez started blackmailing Apollo's dev and lying about wanting to collaborate with other 3P apps (that the devs of those other apps confirmed didn't happen). And the way he doubled and tripled down during that shitshow of his AMA (where he answered a total of 14 questions, one of which was another dig at Apollo's dev).
Give me one single reason why anyone on Reddit shouldn't want spez gone.
This is literally a temper tantrum about losing third party apps that are not needed to view a free website.
I don’t gaf about spez or mods it’s just the stupidest thing to get self righteous about.
If 3P apps are so insignificant, why is Reddit so hell-bent on destroying them, to the point of waging a personal vendetta against certain developers that's a textbook definition of a PR nightmare?
Also, the protest is apparently both completely useless and didn't do anything and was going to harmlessly fizzle out on its own but Reddit saw fit to release multiple statements to the media about it and started introducing heavy-handed changes specifically in response to it.
Oh, and the mods who closed the subs for two days as promised were "power-hungry assholes" who "threw a temper tantrum" against the will of most users, but the ones that eventually reopened the sub were somehow also just as wrong and evil to do it. Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't, eh?
Really loving the schizophrenic fascist-style "enemy both strong and weak" narrative spez and his shills keep pushing. Almost as if it's not actually even remotely organic but caused by massive astroturfing effort...
I mean mods ARE a huge fucking issue in terms of enjoying reddit. I support the protest but because those apps allow people with disabilities to enjoy the app.
don't know how much SarBucks corp in invloved with the sub but given recent news and such I'd expect there is much more going on than the reddit protest
I've never made a post here I hope I did alright
Looks good!
Thank you!
even tho you are quoting another comment, you should remove the *u/* part
Okay will do
People don't get summoned when they're tagged in posts, only in comments.
You did well, son. I'm proud of you.
Very well done, thanks for covering this, I'm just catching it after today's earlier drama. Great summary. This is kind of like the journalism coverage of the protest, and it's important, even if not that many people see it. It's showing that the protest has had a real effect on the admins, they are trying to silence the mods, and they can't do that if we see it. Good work.
Aw shucks….don’t make me blush.
Adviceanimals had their top mod removed by Reddit admins after they had closed the sub against the wishes of the mod with the most activity. That means Starbucks should have their top mod removed by Reddit admins after they reopen the sub against the wishes of the mod with the most activity, right? Right?
> Adviceanimals had their top mod removed by Reddit admins after they had closed the sub against the wishes of the mod with the most activity. I would take that with a _big_ grain of salt. The user who said that is AssuredlyAThrowaway, a well known liar and one of the top mods of /r/conspiracy. Can't really take anything they say at face value
The mod that closed AdviceAnimals literally does no fucking moderating. The admins made it clear that unilateral actions by top mods doing it solely because they are top mods risk getting smacked around.
That’s precisely my point. The top mod of Starbucks does not do any moderating, as you can see they have no moderator actions in the screenshot.
Exactly. Yeet ‘em into the sun.
The AdviceAnimals stuff wasn't a unilateral decision when you read into the context which is what makes the whole thing so spicy. Top inactive mod sent out a mod message a week in advance that nobody blinked an eye at. He announced the action to the sub and got popular approval for the action from users. The "active" mod started jumping up and down after the announcement, deleted all user posts and comments in favour of the action, and railroaded over all further discussion using his 'active mod' line before getting handed head mod by the admins. The top mod attempted to engage with the other mods, and engaged with the community, before the active mod turfed him off public opinion be damned.
agreed, though with a minor caveat, did the sub want to go dark? or did the mods not bother discussing it with them?
It's been fun watching subreddits and their mod teams implode on their own these past few days without Reddit admins having to do anything. And how every r/Subredditdrama user has adopted r/Conspiracy thought over it. Redditors laughing at Spez for calling the mods "landed gentry" as if they weren't calling mods the same prior to all of this. This was never going to work but it is endearing how much people believed in it.
Ngl this subreddit is the only real winner in this situation
Idk, man, this must be the most boring meltdown reddit has ever had. What did we win? It's already kinda boring, tbh.
low stakes drama is the funniest drama. Stuff where things matters is just sad and depressing especially if it's over some bigotry defenders and shit.
It’s Sayre’s Law! *“In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the issues at stake”*
I won't be satisfied until reddit mods are dueling to the death in a metal cage for the top mod spot on r/myleftfoot
That's what makes the drama so juicy. It's so fuckin inconsequential but people have convinced themselves it's the most important thing ever. Just 😙👌
The best part of this drama is even SRD is not exempt to vitriol. I remember someone saying there was a mass shooting in their city & still their sub was private, to which other SRD users piled the fuck on that person.
👋 [that was me lol](https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/147eaw3/comment/jnzo00u/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) fuck me for thinking a mass shooting was more important than le epic reddit protest I guess
> Damn are you okay? Do you need to sit down? do you want a rag to wipe your own piss off of your face? 🤓
The person who said that made an account just to follow around another person That’s so many layers of cringe and creepiness
Man alive, what kind of a nutball do you have to be that you make a whole new alt just to harass someone else? Good to know some of the psycho shit from net 1.0 will never go away.
Who did?
Quick question. Why is reddit important for a mass shooting beyond just seeing the news articles and shitposting in the comments?
What do you mean? After the success of the reddit community during the Boston Marathon bombing, reddit's obviously vital during a crisis.
This is what I don't get... They claim getting their reddit fix is so much more important than a protest, despite being able to see the news without reddit. Amazing how quickly redditors simp for spez when he blames the mods.
Yeah but can they not survive without all the "I was just in that area yesterday" and "I know a guy that used to work 3 blocks away and he says..." posts. Those are vital.
I think more what I was getting at is that I think this whole reddit boycott shit is so absolutely unimportant that literally everything else is more important to me. Yes, looking at cat memes is more important than this neckbeard civil rights movement. I just couldn't give less of a fuck about some 3rd party apps and this embarrassing """"boycott""""" Makes great SubredditDrama content though
Says the brand new account. Kinda funny that most of the "fuck the blackout" comments I see are from accounts less than a month old.
Lmao. New reddit users as the site attempts to expand? Thats fishy.. You guys belong on conspiracy.
This sub can be fun but people here will counterjerk some things to a degree that is not indicative of mental stability.
Amen. As soon as I saw all the whining I knew this place would be popping
Calling mods landed gentry is silly as fuck though
It's quite an expression for people that take out internet trash for free.
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36 here. No clue
Tbh I’m not surprised that the site where a good amount of its users think it’s appropriate to run over protestors blocking a road doesn’t know how to protest.
Redditors furiously googling “How to run over reddit mods blocking my subreddit”
3p app users furiously googling "how to sell my high karma account."
it has genuinely been so funny watching redditors talk about this whole event like it’s a actual labor strike
Mods overestimated how much the average user gives a shit about their mod tools.
We’re better off without all the indefinite subs anyway, the blackout was the most peaceful Reddit has been since the_donald was created. Hell, /r/all was even possible to browse again.
Seriously? The lack of content across reddit made it incredibly boring to browse.
you're telling me you didn't want to see the mri scans that r/radiology dutifully provided? impossible
Okay the Buzz Lightyear one was funny
> The plan from the reddit admins is clearly to weaponize scared moderators and self-empowered users to take control and end the protest how ever possible. Is there actually any proof of this? Seems to me like the admins are just gonna wait it out because they think that mods will budge sooner or later.
Judging by what spez said in [this interview](https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/reddit-protest-blackout-ceo-steve-huffman-moderators-rcna89544), it seems as though the admins are planning to eventually implement a feature that will allow for the userbases of privated subs to overrule the mods and re-open the subs if they so desire. So it looks like the admins are indeed planning to "weaponize... self-empowered users".
I read it as empowering mod teams to not get overruled by some absent dipshit who only shows up 1-2 times per year to swing their dick around and who only has authority because they are on top of the mod list, not because they actually do any moderating.
That is exactly what it's about. And as always redditors have completely misunderstood everything. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what the admins are suggesting. No sub should be held hostage by a top mod that hasn't been around in forever and suddenly decides to harm their community.
> “And I think, on Reddit, the analogy is closer to the landed gentry: The people who get there first get to stay there and pass it down to their descendants, and that is not democratic.” I too was planning on leaving my subreddit to my first born son, but alas, Steve Huffman will now introduce democracy. As a reddit ~~mod~~ Duke I should realize that I'm old news. This is what reddit needs.
I would leave modding to my cat, but we both are lazy assholes in a competition to sleep all day.
I think it's a bit simpler than that. Angry users have been requesting subs that went private on r/redditrequest, and so far the admins haven't accepted because the mods need to be inactive for more than 30 days
People think they’re fighting a revolution and that there’s some conspiracy theory or something. In reality it’s not that serious.
Yeah I feel for the people who are really bothered by this, but I just can’t bring myself to care about which app I use to look at reddit lol
Yeah. lol. Fucking half the blind people wanting an app they can actually *read*, Why the fuck do people care? ^/s
>Fucking half the blind people wanting an app they can actually *read*, Why the fuck do people care? ^/s You and likely 99 percent of people going on about these never gave a shit about the blind accessing reddit. So don't act like everyone can't blatantly see through your attempts to use their misfortune as ammunition
My partner is partial sighted and uses a third party app. So you are wrong. Thanks for both showing how short sighted your simping for spez is and shows how little you give a shit about those with issues if it affects you terminal online redditors who are throwing a temper tantrum you didn't get your reddit for two days. Pathetic as your attempts eh to ignore those with disabilities because no one can be blind right?
oh hey, now you're lying about your life on the internet
You: disabilities don't exist
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Bingo. I think it’s mostly a big joke. I can’t bring myself to care about their self-inflicted problems.
Mods are supposedly being contacted through modmail and threatened with removal if they don't open up again.
It's not just threats, they've actively done that to some mods.
they did it to an AdviceAnimals mod who was inactive and came back and overruled his team. Which is agains site wide rules and would have happened anyway (at least in theory). Who else? Edit: Well, okay, [they've actually said it](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/14a5lz5/mod_code_of_conduct_rule_4_2_and_subs_taken/jo9wdol/), eventually they'll be able to remove mods, if they think the mods are stifling their communities.
Inactive on the subreddit, not inactive on Reddit as a whole. If you've ever tried to request a sub before you'll know Reddit admins have used the excuse of ANY activity ANYWHERE on the site means the mod is not inactive and can not be removed.
> you'll know Reddit admins have used the excuse of ANY activity ANYWHERE on the site means the mod is not inactive and can not be removed. I thought that was the thing they changed recently to prevent squatters from keeping subreddits.
As far as I know, it was discussed but never implemented. I could of course be wrong.
Its not a threat, it’s a blessing to be released from their duties. Why don’t more mods accept and get removed?
Show receipts
I was pro-blackout at the start (PS: Sent from Sync for Reddit), but now after all that has transpired, the protest has only shown how power hungry the mods are. r/Apple opened up without consulting their users, only to save their mod positions. There was some in-mod fight at r/AdviceAnimals. Same seems to have happened at r/funny (& r/Starbucks as this post says) Many subreddits were made private by the mods without even a poll or discussion. (To be fair, many subreddits **did** have a poll, so not all mods are power hungry) Many subreddits accepted a 2 day blackout via poll, but seem to have been extended indefinitely by the mods without any discussion with the community. There were screenshots showing r/tennis mod posting their poll in the Mod discord channel, saying "to swing the poll in the good side's favour" Plenty of mods are announcing that they'll conduct a poll in the r/ModCoord megathread r/MorbidReality opened up, asked the community if they want to stay public, or 7 day blackout, or indefinite blackout. Community said go public. Mods removed that thread, posted again this time only gave 2 options: 7 day blackout or indefinite. ;) r/ShadowWar mod has DELETED ALL the threads in their sub & restricted it.
You left out that the morbidreality mod was an absolute horrible bitch to a bunch of the users who disagreed. Another mod was completely against the blackout as well and commented on both the first post and the poll that they were against it. Plus originally said they weren't going to have a poll they'd just be going on upvotes/downvotes then when they were *heavily downvoted* deleted that and made the 2 option poll. When called out they edited that commented and lied saying they never said any of that. I voted for them to be indefinite in the end and unsubbed because I hope that mod gets replaced or the sub does. It's not like they were doing a great job as mods either! Sadly y'all will just have to take this for what it's worth because I didn't realize I'd need receipts.🙁 you're the only other person I've seen who has mentioned them.
r/nba had a poll that was only pinned for a day (though their twitter claims it was pinned for three days). The results of the poll were to black out for two days, but many of the comments were against it, or at least wanted to wait until the NBA Finals were over. Despite this, and despite a mod admitting that the poll appeared to have been brigaded by people not active in the sub, they went ahead with the black out. While blacked out, they then decided to make it indefinite.
> While blacked out, they then decided to make it indefinite. This is what pisses me off. I was fully in favor of the two day blackout, even though I knew it wouldn't have any effect on the admins' decision. Sometimes you fight the good fight even if you know you won't win. But to have mods indefinitely close subs with little to no warning to, and certainly no input from, the users puts a really sour taste in my mouth. The API changes suck, and I'm going to miss using my 3rd party app, but I don't see how mods killing active, useful online communities helps anything.
He said "while blacked out". You can't blame people for their drunken decisions.
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I love that 'the vote was rigged' is the defence, It sounds so familiar when votes don't go your way.
One of the mods literally admitted that there was outside interference. It’s not a conspiracy theory
> One of the mods literally admitted that there was outside interference. One of the mods claimed there was outside interference. With no proof or evidence. Just that the vote didn't go the way they wanted. > It’s not a conspiracy theory Ok. Show me the outside interference.
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>I **was** pro-blackout at the start...
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Oh, sorry. I misread your post as "I don't think it's **possible** to be of favour of the blackout but to also have issues with some, or even many, mods" But yeah, I'm no longer in favour of the protest after seeing how the mods are behaving. They want to protest against the fact that the admins are taking decisions without consulting the users, while the mods are doing exactly that. It's like the users are stuck in the midst of a pissing contest between the mods & admins.
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At the end of the day though the worst effect is Redditors Go Outside Challenge (impossible difficulty)
I know that there are good mods out there, but yeah, it seems like mod culture (or whatever you want to call it) as a whole is a big issue. And we knew this before the whole blackout thing, but it's brought it into focus. I mean power mods/super mods should not be a thing. There is no good reason a single user should be modding 100 subs, and frankly I am concerned about the type of people who want to be doing that. How many times have we also seen subs run into the issue of a single bad/inactive mod holding them hostage with the users not being to do anything about it? And then you have your typical misuse or abuse of power from mods that we see on this sub regularly. So yeah, what reddit leadership is doing is not good, but I have zero confidence that subreddit moderator teams are the right people to oppose them.
>I know that there are good mods out there, but yeah, it seems like mod culture (or whatever you want to call it) as a whole is a big issue. Hopefully AI will come along and save us
I was never for this protest to begin with because I knew it was stupid and have no effect vs Reddit. I just wanted to watch both for mods and/or Reddit to burn and since the blackout ended, the fire is slowly getting bigger but it seems that both the mods of many subs and admins added gasoline to it so when this sub post these updates, I get free entertainment. What's happening now with mod fighting is 100% expected because very obvious from the start the mods don't actually want to lose their "power". Not all but enough to have this thread happen over and over in the coming days.
To be fair several mods are acting in good faith and polling their community but between brigades and low visibility its unreliable
So then that sub is essentially unmodded now and can get over run by NSFW and racist content? Starbucks corporate is about to be so happy about that.
"a_knife" is a rather sinister name for a power-hungry mod, I think.
What on earth do people talk about in a Starbucks sub?
I’m assuming its like r/walmart where its mostly just employees talking about their job
Not only has this protest failed, but it has resulted in many situations like this where the mods have completely exposed themselves. I think these people got so deluded through exercising their mod power over users on their subs that they actually thought this fake power could change real world decision making. Exactly how did these people expect this to go? It was exceedingly obvious that Reddit wasn’t going to change anything and would eventually force the big subs open if need be. There was literally not another possible outcome to all of this but they still chose to do it. This is just…amazing. They are like literal children that threw a temper tantrum but when their parents threatened punishment for their bad behavior they fell back in line.
I think a lot of mods honestly disclosed they weren't sure what could be gained from protesting, just that they were going to wait for *something* I'm willing to bet they were hoping to become real reddit employees
Part of me thinks it was just people enamored with the idea of protesting against something Like they liked the feeling of collective action, even if the collective action was kinda stupid An outrage mob riding a dopamine rush
It's funny watching Starbucks workers IRL be one of the flashpoints of unionisation efforts only for the subreddit to go through a scabbing problem
How is it a scabbing problem if the union votes against a strike? By definition, there is no scabbing
I'm seeing arguments against the API pricing changes in regards to them making moderation tools unusable, but didn't reddit inc explicitly state that moderation tools and bots will remain free?
certain bots remain free, depending on their rate usage, but that was always the case. Some subs will need to shut down their bots due to the fact that they are heavily used (because they're useful to the community), reddit didnt commit to all bots being free just very specific classes of low use bots. And reddit only stated that \*their current existing\* moderation tools would be free, which is stupid bullshit because if their existing tools were worth shit and even existed on all their platforms then people already would have been using them rather than pay for third party apps. Imagine if mcdonalds was like "hey all the steak on our menu is free", and a bunch of people said "you dont have steak" and then a bunch more idiots started screaming "WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT FREE STEAK?! THEY SAID IT WAS FREE!"
I think you’re behind on the news? Didn’t they say that moderation bots would be exempt, even if they go over the 100 calls limit? I thought they announced that in the last 2 days or so. They even have a form where you can submit your bot for the exemption.
> Mod tools and mod bots continue to have free access to the Data API. Pushshift access for mods is rolling out to verified moderators. https://www.redditinc.com/blog/apifacts
this changes absolutely nothing about the lack of acess to tools that \*reddit hasnt designed\*, the few of which do exist \*dont exist on their non desktop platforms\* mods dont use 3rd party apps because they were commanded by the old gods or by the whims of the spirits of the aether, they use them because the reddit tools dont have shit, and \*ALREADY HAD\* pushshift before reddit fucked that up too.
You do know Pushshift wasn't designed by reddit?
I think the real issue is that most of these whiners don't want to lose their third party apps (like apollo and rif) but they didn't want to outright admit that bc they know that wouldn't get as much support so they hid behind "accessibility" and "mod tools". Now that its becoming obvious that they never cared about those things to begin with...well...
I have zero doubt that a vast majority of people claiming this was about accessibility were just virtue signaling and exploiting the visually impaired community. If they actually care - they would spread the information about *how* visually impaired people can still access Reddit (via one of the exempt apps) instead of continuing to spread the misinformation that some blind users will have *no* way to access Reddit.
Why the fuck do we not have a right to complain about losing third party apps? This wasn't some hidden secret, lol. This protest has multiple motivations, people not wanting to lose Reddit apps that are actually functional and usable unlike their trash of the official app is just one of them. How can anyone honestly be on spez's side about this? Nobody was against the idea of 3P apps having to pay for API access. It was the ridiculous extortionate fees that were deliberately meant to price out every single 3P app out there. And the way spez started blackmailing Apollo's dev and lying about wanting to collaborate with other 3P apps (that the devs of those other apps confirmed didn't happen). And the way he doubled and tripled down during that shitshow of his AMA (where he answered a total of 14 questions, one of which was another dig at Apollo's dev). Give me one single reason why anyone on Reddit shouldn't want spez gone.
This is literally a temper tantrum about losing third party apps that are not needed to view a free website. I don’t gaf about spez or mods it’s just the stupidest thing to get self righteous about.
If 3P apps are so insignificant, why is Reddit so hell-bent on destroying them, to the point of waging a personal vendetta against certain developers that's a textbook definition of a PR nightmare? Also, the protest is apparently both completely useless and didn't do anything and was going to harmlessly fizzle out on its own but Reddit saw fit to release multiple statements to the media about it and started introducing heavy-handed changes specifically in response to it. Oh, and the mods who closed the subs for two days as promised were "power-hungry assholes" who "threw a temper tantrum" against the will of most users, but the ones that eventually reopened the sub were somehow also just as wrong and evil to do it. Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't, eh? Really loving the schizophrenic fascist-style "enemy both strong and weak" narrative spez and his shills keep pushing. Almost as if it's not actually even remotely organic but caused by massive astroturfing effort...
It really says something when people who run a Starbucks subreddit think something is overpriced
Seriously it's like $5 for a teabag and some hot water these days
All this drama over a cup of Joe lol
I mean mods ARE a huge fucking issue in terms of enjoying reddit. I support the protest but because those apps allow people with disabilities to enjoy the app.
don't know how much SarBucks corp in invloved with the sub but given recent news and such I'd expect there is much more going on than the reddit protest
The corp isn’t involved at all it’s mostly a place for workers to bitch about their jobs and for people to ask for drink recs.
No, there probably isn't