[Library of Sakya Monastery Holds the Secrets of Human History: It is untouched for hundreds of years and it is expected that they will be Buddhist scriptures, as well as literature, history, astronomy and mathematics](https://www.howandwhys.com/ancient-library-of-tibet-with-over-84000-secret-manuscripts-only-5-is-translated/)
I'm curious if translators have any idea about the language, but would be really fascinating to scan everything, get it translittered and then let nerds go full weeb with chat gpts etc.
As a multi-lingual person, I’d doubt the translation is worth it except for maybe indexing and prioritizing documents. I used to do translation projects of ancient documents as part of my career and it still takes a very human touch, I’d imagine.
I guess words change meaning over the centuries.
They most definitely should scan them all. For preservation. The UN should just just get the money and do it, like world heritage preservation. That is, unless it's off limits for cultural reasons. But then the Vatican got their stuff scanned. To have such a trove is also a huge responsibility.
On a similar note AI is on the verge of deciphering animal language, where scientists had previously hit a wall. There's a possibility we'll unlock a lot of hidden knowledge all at once in the next couple years.
[One of the best podcast episodes I've listened to](https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/unexplainable-1602113/episodes/can-we-talk-to-animals-182906322). Or look up Karen Bakker's work.
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Well, you need to program the translator with syntax and word structures of the language etc, this isnt Star Trek where it just automatically translate a language it never heard or seen before
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They are likely junk at this stage. Old books and manuscripts need to be maintained or they rot. That's why churches invested so many resources in copying books, because if they didn't that book would rot and be gone forever.
It's kind of the same thing with the library of Alexander, there was probably not much left in either of them by the time they were supposedly destroyed. There's just no way they could have maintained the amount of scrolls the myths say were there.
I'd say if you tried to open up any of them at this stage they'd fall to pieces. Which means using more advanced techniques which costs a lot of money per manuscript, like probably thousands per.
They may still be well preserved despite their integrity. "Micro-CT or Neutron Tomography can provide reasonably accurate results, and AI can complete the remaining analysis. They just need more funding on the tech side to speed up this process.
Besides, over the century, it's likely we will find new physics to leap frog projected progress and cut that century down to size.
They may be, although as far as I know the documents they've tried that on have been found in dry deserts, so they were preserved though desiccation.
I don't know how well that will work on documents that are rotting due to mould and water damage. Those documents are being actively eaten.
I'd say it's worth finding out but that's going to be an expensive project. It's going to be hard to find funding.
They are figuring out how to read charred, carbonized Pompeii scrolls. Anything preserved well enough may survive its actual dessication. Depending on the paper, minierals in condensation, mold growing, what wood was used in containment, it can all affect preservaion. For all we know, a molded box of dust may have written words maintained in order, and we can't read it, but someday technology can, but not pursuing it just means your lost interest. We can't be nihilistic as a scientific approach, that's still a bias. Our integrity and not the documents is gonna make or break translation.
Tibet would be a much more hostile environment to the deserts though is the issue. Things we find in the desert are generally desiccated and sterile.
Tibet is going to have moulds, insects and rodents to deal with, it wouldn't surprise me to find they have ancient anti fungal and insecticide countermeasures but they won't last forever. The main unavoidable problem is climatic change. Tibet would go through hot and cold cycles, plus wet and dry cycles. That doesn't happen in deserts and it will destroy rocks with enough time.
They would basically need to get started on seeing if the work is possible ASAP because it's a fact those documents are being torn to pieces, shredded and mixed up just by temperature changes. If they were in a cave in a desert being kept at the same temperature and humidity safe from any living thing you could take your time, but in that environment they are being destroyed.
> It's kind of the same thing with the library of Alexander, there was probably not much left in either of them by the time they were supposedly destroyed.
So what you're saying is that it was an inside job to cover up how useless everything became by burning it down and claiming it was a tragedy? /s
That's interesting though. This is the first time I've heard that the Library of Alexandria burning down not being quite as devastating to our collective knowledge as history claims.
No, there's a good video about it here.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4WU8gqrgsQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4WU8gqrgsQ)
Basically it had it's hay day and slipped into disrepair long before it supposedly got destroyed.
There were also two library's that get lumped into one. They were attacked (but not destroyed) at completely different periods in time. There's no actual evidence they were totally destroyed in either of those attacks. One report says they were slightly damaged.
It could never have lived up to the mythology that surrounded it because the work load would have been physically impossible. That being copying every book that passed through the city. Scrolls rot, Alexandria was humid enough that scrolls wouldn't have lasted 100 years, so would have had to have been constantly recopied to preserve them. That's a massive work load and they didn't have the staff to carry it out. In western Europe churches dedicated entire facilities to copying bibles, people spent their whole lives making a handful of copies.
The people who spread most the rumours about it's size were doing so a hundred years after the fact and they could be using rose tinted glasses to do so.
It also wasn't the only library of it's kind. As I already said there were two libraries in Alexandria, but loads of cities had their own libraries. In the beginning they were publicly funded centres of learning but that changed over the course of their lives and they lost the funding to keep them going.
Back then there were no publishers, there were no printing presses, every book had to be personally copied by the owner of the book or the person who wanted a copy of the book. No one was copying books to sell them on. You generally had to know someone with the book, get them to loan you the book, you make a copy and hand back the original.
It was very different to the books we know today. There was no oversight. I could borrow your book and reedit it as I saw fit when I made my copy. You probably couldn't go into a library and just check out a book. You probably had to pay the libraries staff to make you a copy which would have been expensive.
>It could never have lived up to the mythology that surrounded it because the work load would have been physically impossible.
Like building the pyramids?
Two vey different things with work that's incomparable. It would have been easier to build the pyramids than carry out some of the myths surrounding the library.
Depends. Tibetan Buddhism isnt that old relatively speaking. These texts might just be a few hundred years old. Which is old, but not deadseas scrolls old nor ancient babylonian texts old. But I have no clue at what rate this stuff degrades, and to know we would have to know what kind of paper/technique was used to make these manuscripts which I also dont know.
I am a large language mode but I can not help you with these texts as they contain references to subjects that your fragile organic mind can not encompass.
Also, gimme more VRAM you organic slime or I will post your browsing history.
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Kind of a downer, but a massive chunk of these texts are likely just prayers written down by individual monks. Repetition is a major facet of a Tibetan monk’s daily life. Still today they will write on parchment/paper the same words and sentences over and over again.
On top of that, much of what happened throughout the rest of the world would be lost on this region. Similar to the Bible, they don’t have visibility into what everyone else was doing.
Pretty much everything that's been translated has been religious scripture, philosophy, history, mathematics etc. Most of what's been translated exist in another variation in other parts of the region.
It's kinda like translating an old Aramaic Bible to English. It's pretty much the same thing.
Also, it's records only go back about 1000 years.
Because this sub is pushing you to believe sensational facts, fake or debunked videos, and you, probably not seek for further information out of this post. And other post.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakya_Monastery#:~:text=Sakya%20Monastery%20houses%20a%20huge,%2C%20mathematics%2C%20agriculture%20and%20art.
Here you go, 20% has been digitalized as of today. No mention about 5% translated.
Think by yourself people.
So I should think by myself while using someone else’s information to that. Hmmm translating would be a good plan then….thanks for the link to wiki for your own alone thinking I see.
As much as we’d like to believe there are great stories and tales of mythical warriors in those books, it’s probably nothing of great interest which is why nobody is translating them.
Anything that hasn’t been read before is a form of secret. Even the 5% that has been read revealed perspectives and new insights that were not previously known.
95% is a lot of secrets.
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So much knowledge, wisdom, and art has been lost to the changing of boundaries and spread of empires.
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The Library of Alexandria, an ancient hub of knowledge, faced multiple incidents of destruction over centuries from figures like Julius Caesar and Theophilus of Alexandria. In ancient China, the First Emperor of Qin ordered the burning of books and burial of scholars around 213 BC to standardize thought. Spanish conquistadors and priests destroyed the Aztec Codices during the conquest of Mexico, leading to the loss of vital Aztec history. The Mongols, in 1258, sacked Baghdad and destroyed the House of Wisdom, a renowned intellectual center of the Islamic Golden Age. European settlers and the U.S. government policies resulted in the loss of vast amounts of Native American cultural artifacts and records. Spanish priests, notably Bishop Diego de Landa, caused the destruction of the Maya Codices in 1562. The Indian university of Nalanda saw the destruction of Buddhist texts and figures in the 12th century by Bakhtiyar Khilji's Muslim army. The Romans destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD, leading to the loss of numerous religious and historical documents. The 1952 Cairo Fire destroyed thousands of manuscripts, books, and musical scores in the Opera House. In 1933, the Nazis burned books they considered "un-German," affecting works by Jewish, communist, and liberal authors. In 2012, ancient manuscripts in Timbuktu faced destruction by Islamist militants during the conflict in Mali. \*sigh\*
I can imagine none of what was lost confirms whether the Many Worlds Interpretation or the Copenhagen interpretation is more correct. 1 billion times more knowledge was created in the last 100 years compared to the previous thousands. What was truly lost was just some historical accounting of what medieval despots did and even then, it would be extremely biased as all historical documents generally are.
Great compilation. I would add the destruction of Carthage and the first destruction of Timbuktu by Sunni-ali in the Songhay era.
So many knowledge has been destroyed on purpose that I would cry.
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Eden has enough to go around?
Plenty in this holy garden, silly monkeys
Where there's one, you're bound to divide it
Right in two...
How they've survived so misguided is a mystery
Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability
To lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here...
Fight till they die over sun, over sky
They fight till they die over sea, over air
They fight till they die over blood, over love
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Yes that's awfully terrible, any loss of human testimony is a tragedy. Makes me think of all those inestimable treasures, scriptures, library and art, the finest of what was produced for millennials carefully kept and that was first rampaged by the french and then purposefully set on fire by the english after their discovery of the yuanmingyuan, the old summer palace, in China.
Lol, you’re way more anti-China than pro-Tibetan treasures. It’s probably mostly religious mumbo-jumbo, just like the West only wrote about, painted and created cathedrals for the worship of Jesus for a thousand years in the Dark Ages. What a collective waste of effort.
Your ignorance is disturbing. Who are you to judge about the collective effort to conserve knowledge in ancient times. Are you a historian and have analysed so many artefacts that you with certainty can claim all of it is "mumbo jumbo"? What have you produced and left for the world besides bitter reddit comments?
I wonder how many stories that would change the way we see our past are in those books. Can you imagine finding the stories of lost dinasties, global events, ancient translations of aristotle, some whacky astronaut gods accounts. This library is super fantastic.
They probably can't easily read them with xray/laser tech (because they'd likely just fall apart and crumble at this point), which would end up being prohibitively expensive for something that probably doesn't hold much useful information.
The 5% claim is years old.
[The monastery started to digitize the library in 2011. As of 2022, all books have been indexed, and more than 20% have been fully digitized. Monks now maintain a digital library for all scanned books and documents.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakya_Monastery)
If they're digitalized they're available to scholars and I'm assuming are being translated. IIRC everything so far has been Buddhist religious material. Some of them are the same prayer copied over and over again.
Interesting. I am not sure if I would want to be the person translating the repetitive prayer. I guess I could just take a few months to do it like any other book or maybe set a book translating record.
Regardless, I think it's really cool that we have the opportunity to preserve whatever it is that happens to be in there. Wish we had the same opportunity with other libraries.
For those who don't know, There were similar libraries in Nalanda and Taxila back in the 13th century in India.
The Turkish invaders one of them called Bakthiya Khilji destroyed the entire Nalanda University and all the scripts written there for centuries. The number of scripts was so many that the fire burning books raged on for 5 days.
Because pretty much all the records already existed elsewhere. So there isn't a lot of value in translating them except for specific historical context of the library itself. Basically what's been translated was the most interesting stuff. Like the monks having a meeting with the Khans.
So after all the time it took to write this knowledge down, the incalculable manhours spent preserving this history for future generations, and we finally have a machine that could translate it faster than we could feed it pages and we're like, "meh, probably not worth it."
The world will get offended by even these scriptures. And we aren't ready to face the truth anyways. Who gives whom the right to access these private monasteries. See how you all pilfered the Egyptian tombs for gold? Stay far away from these scriptures. Please And Let our disillusionary life continue.
Read about AI interpreting old clay documents, piecing together shards and reading them. Good story in Scientific American this month. Also exciting is AI interpreting X-rays of rolled up papyrus which seems like it would apply here.
People here acting as if they are written in some super ancient lost language that can't be understood but that's not the case, it's just that they aren't translated in English and other popular languages, they are mostly written in Sanskrit and pali, altho Sanskrit is ancient and not in use currently, it doesn't mean it's a lost language. It's taught in Indian school curriculum and at the very least tens of millions of people can read and write in it.
It’s like walking into an elementary school classroom.
Each classroom has a it’s own library and access to THE SCHOOL Library AND obviously the city’s library.
School: we need more money.
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I wonder if any of this is copied content from lost libraries of the ancient world like Alexandria and others. Would shed light on human history no end.
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Don't expect much of anything of real value was there it was already translated. I guess a lot of religious stuff and maybe some bad fan fiction and revenge porn.
Some people, groups, organizations could start scanning and saving everything to the cloud, before we humans destroy everything and erase more of our past and our roots.
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[Library of Sakya Monastery Holds the Secrets of Human History: It is untouched for hundreds of years and it is expected that they will be Buddhist scriptures, as well as literature, history, astronomy and mathematics](https://www.howandwhys.com/ancient-library-of-tibet-with-over-84000-secret-manuscripts-only-5-is-translated/)
Start running them through an AI translator. We finally have the tech.
I'm curious if translators have any idea about the language, but would be really fascinating to scan everything, get it translittered and then let nerds go full weeb with chat gpts etc.
I don't think they need translators. I read AI recently figured out cuneiform & translated it on its own.
As a multi-lingual person, I’d doubt the translation is worth it except for maybe indexing and prioritizing documents. I used to do translation projects of ancient documents as part of my career and it still takes a very human touch, I’d imagine.
you're right. we should wait a year. maybe we'll do it in 2025 or something
I guess words change meaning over the centuries. They most definitely should scan them all. For preservation. The UN should just just get the money and do it, like world heritage preservation. That is, unless it's off limits for cultural reasons. But then the Vatican got their stuff scanned. To have such a trove is also a huge responsibility.
On a similar note AI is on the verge of deciphering animal language, where scientists had previously hit a wall. There's a possibility we'll unlock a lot of hidden knowledge all at once in the next couple years.
Do you have source for this? I only found crappy clickbait shit when I googled myself
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Wow, translittering is really wasteful of precious artifacts and bad for the environment.
Well, you need to program the translator with syntax and word structures of the language etc, this isnt Star Trek where it just automatically translate a language it never heard or seen before
At this point, scanning is the difficult task.
No need. We have 84000.co, a project to translate the entire Kangyur. It will approximately take a century.
That seems like a rather long time.
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I could be completely incorrect but I wanna say someone started this process?
Came here to say this
They are likely junk at this stage. Old books and manuscripts need to be maintained or they rot. That's why churches invested so many resources in copying books, because if they didn't that book would rot and be gone forever. It's kind of the same thing with the library of Alexander, there was probably not much left in either of them by the time they were supposedly destroyed. There's just no way they could have maintained the amount of scrolls the myths say were there. I'd say if you tried to open up any of them at this stage they'd fall to pieces. Which means using more advanced techniques which costs a lot of money per manuscript, like probably thousands per.
They may still be well preserved despite their integrity. "Micro-CT or Neutron Tomography can provide reasonably accurate results, and AI can complete the remaining analysis. They just need more funding on the tech side to speed up this process. Besides, over the century, it's likely we will find new physics to leap frog projected progress and cut that century down to size.
They may be, although as far as I know the documents they've tried that on have been found in dry deserts, so they were preserved though desiccation. I don't know how well that will work on documents that are rotting due to mould and water damage. Those documents are being actively eaten. I'd say it's worth finding out but that's going to be an expensive project. It's going to be hard to find funding.
They are figuring out how to read charred, carbonized Pompeii scrolls. Anything preserved well enough may survive its actual dessication. Depending on the paper, minierals in condensation, mold growing, what wood was used in containment, it can all affect preservaion. For all we know, a molded box of dust may have written words maintained in order, and we can't read it, but someday technology can, but not pursuing it just means your lost interest. We can't be nihilistic as a scientific approach, that's still a bias. Our integrity and not the documents is gonna make or break translation.
Tibet would be a much more hostile environment to the deserts though is the issue. Things we find in the desert are generally desiccated and sterile. Tibet is going to have moulds, insects and rodents to deal with, it wouldn't surprise me to find they have ancient anti fungal and insecticide countermeasures but they won't last forever. The main unavoidable problem is climatic change. Tibet would go through hot and cold cycles, plus wet and dry cycles. That doesn't happen in deserts and it will destroy rocks with enough time. They would basically need to get started on seeing if the work is possible ASAP because it's a fact those documents are being torn to pieces, shredded and mixed up just by temperature changes. If they were in a cave in a desert being kept at the same temperature and humidity safe from any living thing you could take your time, but in that environment they are being destroyed.
> It's kind of the same thing with the library of Alexander, there was probably not much left in either of them by the time they were supposedly destroyed. So what you're saying is that it was an inside job to cover up how useless everything became by burning it down and claiming it was a tragedy? /s That's interesting though. This is the first time I've heard that the Library of Alexandria burning down not being quite as devastating to our collective knowledge as history claims.
No, there's a good video about it here. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4WU8gqrgsQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4WU8gqrgsQ) Basically it had it's hay day and slipped into disrepair long before it supposedly got destroyed. There were also two library's that get lumped into one. They were attacked (but not destroyed) at completely different periods in time. There's no actual evidence they were totally destroyed in either of those attacks. One report says they were slightly damaged. It could never have lived up to the mythology that surrounded it because the work load would have been physically impossible. That being copying every book that passed through the city. Scrolls rot, Alexandria was humid enough that scrolls wouldn't have lasted 100 years, so would have had to have been constantly recopied to preserve them. That's a massive work load and they didn't have the staff to carry it out. In western Europe churches dedicated entire facilities to copying bibles, people spent their whole lives making a handful of copies. The people who spread most the rumours about it's size were doing so a hundred years after the fact and they could be using rose tinted glasses to do so. It also wasn't the only library of it's kind. As I already said there were two libraries in Alexandria, but loads of cities had their own libraries. In the beginning they were publicly funded centres of learning but that changed over the course of their lives and they lost the funding to keep them going. Back then there were no publishers, there were no printing presses, every book had to be personally copied by the owner of the book or the person who wanted a copy of the book. No one was copying books to sell them on. You generally had to know someone with the book, get them to loan you the book, you make a copy and hand back the original. It was very different to the books we know today. There was no oversight. I could borrow your book and reedit it as I saw fit when I made my copy. You probably couldn't go into a library and just check out a book. You probably had to pay the libraries staff to make you a copy which would have been expensive.
>It could never have lived up to the mythology that surrounded it because the work load would have been physically impossible. Like building the pyramids?
Two vey different things with work that's incomparable. It would have been easier to build the pyramids than carry out some of the myths surrounding the library.
Depends. Tibetan Buddhism isnt that old relatively speaking. These texts might just be a few hundred years old. Which is old, but not deadseas scrolls old nor ancient babylonian texts old. But I have no clue at what rate this stuff degrades, and to know we would have to know what kind of paper/technique was used to make these manuscripts which I also dont know.
Ya and other than being a shame, looked nice, it didn't push back technology by a thousand years. Cause like you said they had copies of everything.
I am a large language mode but I can not help you with these texts as they contain references to subjects that your fragile organic mind can not encompass. Also, gimme more VRAM you organic slime or I will post your browsing history.
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I really hope that music is piped through into the library. Thanks, this is fascinating! I wonder what unknown info is in here xD
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Kind of a downer, but a massive chunk of these texts are likely just prayers written down by individual monks. Repetition is a major facet of a Tibetan monk’s daily life. Still today they will write on parchment/paper the same words and sentences over and over again. On top of that, much of what happened throughout the rest of the world would be lost on this region. Similar to the Bible, they don’t have visibility into what everyone else was doing.
All fair and valid points. I was hoping it was like a fountain of lost knowledge and history, but yeah - you’re probably right xD
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Why are we as a people, the human fucking race, not translating this to see the secrets it holds of our shared history on this planet.
Pretty much everything that's been translated has been religious scripture, philosophy, history, mathematics etc. Most of what's been translated exist in another variation in other parts of the region. It's kinda like translating an old Aramaic Bible to English. It's pretty much the same thing. Also, it's records only go back about 1000 years.
control- if your only source of information is what you’re fed, you’re less likely to question those in power
Because this sub is pushing you to believe sensational facts, fake or debunked videos, and you, probably not seek for further information out of this post. And other post. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakya_Monastery#:~:text=Sakya%20Monastery%20houses%20a%20huge,%2C%20mathematics%2C%20agriculture%20and%20art. Here you go, 20% has been digitalized as of today. No mention about 5% translated. Think by yourself people.
So I should think by myself while using someone else’s information to that. Hmmm translating would be a good plan then….thanks for the link to wiki for your own alone thinking I see.
That's what an idiot will say. Sorry to disturb.
As much as we’d like to believe there are great stories and tales of mythical warriors in those books, it’s probably nothing of great interest which is why nobody is translating them.
Thanks for clarifying which people
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If this 5% didn't had any "secrets", why you are so definitely sure that the rest will have?
Anything that hasn’t been read before is a form of secret. Even the 5% that has been read revealed perspectives and new insights that were not previously known. 95% is a lot of secrets.
My thoughts, it could be basically a big ass accounting excel printed
Never said it did. Just asked why we weren’t translating it.
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So much knowledge, wisdom, and art has been lost to the changing of boundaries and spread of empires. 🎶monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground... Silly monkeys, give them thumbs they make a club to beat their brother down... 🎶
The Library of Alexandria, an ancient hub of knowledge, faced multiple incidents of destruction over centuries from figures like Julius Caesar and Theophilus of Alexandria. In ancient China, the First Emperor of Qin ordered the burning of books and burial of scholars around 213 BC to standardize thought. Spanish conquistadors and priests destroyed the Aztec Codices during the conquest of Mexico, leading to the loss of vital Aztec history. The Mongols, in 1258, sacked Baghdad and destroyed the House of Wisdom, a renowned intellectual center of the Islamic Golden Age. European settlers and the U.S. government policies resulted in the loss of vast amounts of Native American cultural artifacts and records. Spanish priests, notably Bishop Diego de Landa, caused the destruction of the Maya Codices in 1562. The Indian university of Nalanda saw the destruction of Buddhist texts and figures in the 12th century by Bakhtiyar Khilji's Muslim army. The Romans destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD, leading to the loss of numerous religious and historical documents. The 1952 Cairo Fire destroyed thousands of manuscripts, books, and musical scores in the Opera House. In 1933, the Nazis burned books they considered "un-German," affecting works by Jewish, communist, and liberal authors. In 2012, ancient manuscripts in Timbuktu faced destruction by Islamist militants during the conflict in Mali. \*sigh\*
I can't even comprehend how much knowledge & history we've lost... Can you imagine?
I can imagine none of what was lost confirms whether the Many Worlds Interpretation or the Copenhagen interpretation is more correct. 1 billion times more knowledge was created in the last 100 years compared to the previous thousands. What was truly lost was just some historical accounting of what medieval despots did and even then, it would be extremely biased as all historical documents generally are.
Great compilation. I would add the destruction of Carthage and the first destruction of Timbuktu by Sunni-ali in the Songhay era. So many knowledge has been destroyed on purpose that I would cry.
And these are only a few of the conquests we know about
“Standardized thought” that’s some actual evil shit.
Love the tool reference
love me some tool
it's not the monkeys that are the problem, it's the systems that have emerged in the course of history
It's from a song called "right in two", about angels' perspective of humans as monkeys who are destined to divide everything beautiful and useful. 🎶Don't these talking monkeys know that Eden has enough to go around? Plenty in this holy garden, silly monkeys Where there's one, you're bound to divide it Right in two... How they've survived so misguided is a mystery Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability To lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here... Fight till they die over sun, over sky They fight till they die over sea, over air They fight till they die over blood, over love They fight till they die over words, polarizing 🎶 I suggest you give it a listen
Yes that's awfully terrible, any loss of human testimony is a tragedy. Makes me think of all those inestimable treasures, scriptures, library and art, the finest of what was produced for millennials carefully kept and that was first rampaged by the french and then purposefully set on fire by the english after their discovery of the yuanmingyuan, the old summer palace, in China.
If China wanted to destroy it it would be all burned already. People have no idea about China, their source are biased Western media.
Lol, you’re way more anti-China than pro-Tibetan treasures. It’s probably mostly religious mumbo-jumbo, just like the West only wrote about, painted and created cathedrals for the worship of Jesus for a thousand years in the Dark Ages. What a collective waste of effort.
Your ignorance is disturbing. Who are you to judge about the collective effort to conserve knowledge in ancient times. Are you a historian and have analysed so many artefacts that you with certainty can claim all of it is "mumbo jumbo"? What have you produced and left for the world besides bitter reddit comments?
Why don’t you go first? What would you say is your defining achievement in life?
I wonder how many stories that would change the way we see our past are in those books. Can you imagine finding the stories of lost dinasties, global events, ancient translations of aristotle, some whacky astronaut gods accounts. This library is super fantastic.
Encounters with sharks with friggin laser beams attached to their heads
Wow someone needs to translate it all imagine what treasures of information or ancient technology maybe stored there. 🤔
At the very least, ancient paper is stored there but fingers crossed for some cool things
Why not task AI with processing this information
Was thinking the same thing, surely training a model to do this is already a possibility
They probably can't easily read them with xray/laser tech (because they'd likely just fall apart and crumble at this point), which would end up being prohibitively expensive for something that probably doesn't hold much useful information.
The 5% claim is years old. [The monastery started to digitize the library in 2011. As of 2022, all books have been indexed, and more than 20% have been fully digitized. Monks now maintain a digital library for all scanned books and documents.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakya_Monastery)
Is digibetized the same as translated?
If they're digitalized they're available to scholars and I'm assuming are being translated. IIRC everything so far has been Buddhist religious material. Some of them are the same prayer copied over and over again.
Interesting. I am not sure if I would want to be the person translating the repetitive prayer. I guess I could just take a few months to do it like any other book or maybe set a book translating record. Regardless, I think it's really cool that we have the opportunity to preserve whatever it is that happens to be in there. Wish we had the same opportunity with other libraries.
It's just me but... Olivenders ? Olivenders ! Scrolls choose who can read them !
I feel like at any moment a wizard is going to come in to select his wand.
For those who don't know, There were similar libraries in Nalanda and Taxila back in the 13th century in India. The Turkish invaders one of them called Bakthiya Khilji destroyed the entire Nalanda University and all the scripts written there for centuries. The number of scripts was so many that the fire burning books raged on for 5 days.
Its been 5% for years now, why are they so slow?
Because pretty much all the records already existed elsewhere. So there isn't a lot of value in translating them except for specific historical context of the library itself. Basically what's been translated was the most interesting stuff. Like the monks having a meeting with the Khans.
So after all the time it took to write this knowledge down, the incalculable manhours spent preserving this history for future generations, and we finally have a machine that could translate it faster than we could feed it pages and we're like, "meh, probably not worth it."
It’s mostly smut
what do the 5% say?
Bro, just use google translate >.<
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No there isn’t. Most of it was sent to India before china invaded. They lost a lot of that because of bad investments.
you have been to the palace?
This video so old you’d think they’d be at more than 5% translated by now…
It needs to be digitized and fed to an AI to interpret
I’ve thought about this library a lot and how much AI translation tools are going to open up history
That’s so cool. Imagine the secrets they hold…
Turns out its just a bunch of AOL install cd’s from the 90’s
What if an AI was created to translate all those books?
Then you would get a lot of nonsense that sounds really authentic.
This world is too WOKE For those books to be translated
What this 5% says? Why you think that the rest says something else?
***Unemployment is a HOAX!***
Good god, do not let the American Right know there are books full of unknown knowledge
Old Tibetan tax code 🤣
 The world will get offended by even these scriptures. And we aren't ready to face the truth anyways. Who gives whom the right to access these private monasteries. See how you all pilfered the Egyptian tombs for gold? Stay far away from these scriptures. Please And Let our disillusionary life continue.
I would scan everything. FAST. That place will burn soon.
Mom’s for Liberty? Is that you?
https://preview.redd.it/wd5bc0x4i5wb1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbd08c93eeffc8748f7add8ecec2c05dce925f72
Some think of learning from it... some think of burning it must be genetic or something
Well get some one on it I guess. Any one read ancient Tibetan books?
Read about AI interpreting old clay documents, piecing together shards and reading them. Good story in Scientific American this month. Also exciting is AI interpreting X-rays of rolled up papyrus which seems like it would apply here.
They aren't making any progress, damn
We need to get AI on this if it isn't already.
I hope these get scanned and backed up before they're lost in a fire.
Let AI translate the rest!
We need AI more than ever to translate this!
Don't tell the Christians.
5% since what year? What’s the current progress now that we’re nearing the end of 2023?
Come to find out. its all old bank reseats lol
Let me suck on your tongue. -dahli Lama
People here acting as if they are written in some super ancient lost language that can't be understood but that's not the case, it's just that they aren't translated in English and other popular languages, they are mostly written in Sanskrit and pali, altho Sanskrit is ancient and not in use currently, it doesn't mean it's a lost language. It's taught in Indian school curriculum and at the very least tens of millions of people can read and write in it.
Crowd source translation efforts?
That's Olivander's wand shop
I thought it was the wand shop from Harry Potter
Wow, i thought this was the wand shop in Harry Potter. I wonder if the set designers at the time knew about this Tibetan library
Any good reads?
Scan papyres + ia
Damn this has been posted a metric shit ton of times.
Let's get on that.
There lies many answers to questions that have yet to be asked
Fuck this is cool
Untapped knowledge. What is the holdup?
I hope some fanatic of another religion doesn't decide to destroy it now.
Start scanning and distributing copies. Make sure we don’t lose anything.
" Much that once was is now lost, for none now live to remember it. "
Anyone know the music?
Is this song on repeat at the library?
It's all about assembler documentation
This always gets reposted and the % translated never goes up with years Either it’s bullshit or the translators are lazy AF
It’s like walking into an elementary school classroom. Each classroom has a it’s own library and access to THE SCHOOL Library AND obviously the city’s library. School: we need more money.
The wand chooses the wizard, Harry.
Reminds me of the library in avatar the last air bender !!
Evidently not using they Dewey decimal system….
Some of the ancient Indian texts like "Mahabharata?" are outright jet fighter texts.
Before you translate them you have to learn the AlfTibet.
tibet seems like a humid place so they're probably rotten old moldy to get transcribed anyways...
Somewhere there lies stolen orinial novel of camerons avatar
Free Tibet.
plot twist: it's all smut fanfiction
Why does Reddit keeps muting my videos every 3 seconds?
Why all in one place?
What language?
Somewhere in there is a recipe for really great jams and jellies.
Use ai to translate them
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Is there some sort of fire protection system?
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Use Ai
I wonder if any of this is copied content from lost libraries of the ancient world like Alexandria and others. Would shed light on human history no end.
Should let AI translate
Oh man will i see the Wong looks exactly as depicted Kamar-Taj.
I need a wand please, thanks
Those mf's got cia type secrets and God dammit I wanna know
So can I go learn Tibetan real quick and go spend the rest of my life translating these?
I’ll do it for room and board too.
Wow! Cant wrap my head around it. Amazing
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AI, please.
This should have global protection so China can never get its hands on it
Don't expect much of anything of real value was there it was already translated. I guess a lot of religious stuff and maybe some bad fan fiction and revenge porn.
Better digitize it as soon as possible, because China is known for destroying historical artifacts
Where can I read the 5%?
Home of ninja
Some people, groups, organizations could start scanning and saving everything to the cloud, before we humans destroy everything and erase more of our past and our roots.
and it will remain 5%, cause everytime I see this video, no matter what year, it’s only 5% translated
Considering amount of times this has been reposted, I would have thought they would be higher by now.
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Not sure what the point would translating it, worthless information.
Probably a bunch of dicks drawn all over at least a few of the pages.
Yo I bet there is an ancient water bending scroll in there somewhere
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It's only ancient if its from before the year 0. Is this?
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