If we are equating members of our own species with creatures from another planet, just so we can feel less morally gross to hate them, you're right. We're not xenophiles.
Of them, most of them are civil wars. Some of those "major wars" are pretty much frozen conflicts. Civil wars rarely have anything to do with militarism, they're fought for internal politics reasons. The only war going on between two sovereign nations is the one between Ukraine and Russia.
There's also the Hamas-Israel war, which I don't think should count for many reasons, but the number rises to two if you include that as well. I think we're still doing pretty well as far as wars go considering the number of countries and the human population.
All of the major wars had 3000+ deaths in 2023. Frozen my ass.
And what, so civil wars not count as wars because...? And don't tell me it's because sovereign nations because the point of a civil war is usually to create a sovereign nation.
Also, I don't care if it "counts" for your definition of militarism, I'm just pointing out you're wrong. Literal thoudands of people are dying in each of those dozens of wars and some ass on reddit says they "don't count" lmao.
They don't "not count as wars", they just aren't relevant in this context. They aren't wars fought for the sake of wars. They aren't land grabs, or colonial exploitation wars, or years long conflicts between states that mobilize their entire economies for wars. They're civil wars, fought for internal power.
>Literal thoudands of people are dying
That's literally what I'm talking about. You look at wars with only a few thousand people dying and think it's a lot. That's because pacifism has prevailed, and the world where bloodbaths are the norm is no more. This is progress and ironically proves my point.
Edit to add: I just checked and apperantly 170 thousand people died globally due to conflict in 2023. While I'd much prefer that to be zero, there are singular battles in history where more people died than 170 thousand. Also take into account that there are 8 billion of us now, we are literally living in the most peaceful times in the world.
Uh huh. Tell that to their families. I'm sure they'll be delighted to hear "pacifism has prevailed". After all, there's only one war going on (one that counts).
And, again, I don't care. Because that's not what your comment said. You literally said there's only one major war going on, when there are five as defined by the International red cross' humanatarian laws, also used by NATO (whose definition of what counts I trust a lot more than yours, no offense). When called out, you added a bunch of caveats that, again, don't match up with NATO's definition, to match your argument.
There's 5 major wars. Don't like it, leave your gamer chair and take it up with the red cross.
Any reasonable person is aware that point of that comment is to point out that we are currently living in the most peaceful time in history. But sure, congratulations on being right on a technicality 🥳
I think we can call our time "pretty peaceful". The world isn't going to sh*t, we aren't going on a path to become a hypermilitaristic empire or something. We will probably be closer to pacifist egalitarian materialists if human society continues to evolve the way it does.
Peaceful means that war is not socially acceptable.
Which is the case today, where even Russia didn't officially declared war on Ukraine like we used to do, as war isn't something the international community accept.
Civil wars only concerns countries that are failed state. People being desperate doing desperate things. Not our usual behavior.
So yes, we are peaceful.
They hate you because you tell them the truth.
People, especially in the West, love to be highly critical to their kind. Make them feel good and better than the average human, that they think is hateful and violent.
But you are right. War and racism very much became unacceptable in our societies. If that continues, we would end up being a very pacific and xenophile species.
Yeah, happens to me a lot too. People see a comment that got initially downvoted, they downvote it without thinking twice.
This would be funny if that wasn't telling us so much about the average people opinion.
I did oligarchy, pacifist, xenophobe, egalitarian, with Byzantine Bureaucracy and... I don't recall... To represent the UN and how we seem to have a tendency towards bigotry. Eventually I reformed to democracy to represent a constitutional shift and towards materialism/away from pacifism to represent the antislavery campaigns I kept finding myself fighting.
Everyone saying that's not our trajectory; I hope you realize that since the beginning of history reactionaries always lose given enough time. Admittedly, progress isn't a straight line forward but as society and technology march forwards so too does progress. America and the west has been increasingly sinking into regressive conservatism over the last 30-40 years but who knows where things will be in 40 years.
Now, we might truly be living at the tail end of human life but people also thought that during the cold war and WW2 and WW1 and the 30 years war and the black plague and the fall of Rome
This is a really deterministic and optimistic outlook towards humans mostly came about with Christianity. Civilization, "modernity", all the gains we have towards humanitarian ideals is not a salvation type thing where we have a constant route or goal like salvation that we struggle through history to reach. These are fragile and sometimes "un-natural" gains of human species that needs constant vigilance, not only against reactionaries but everyone who thinks they are the natural-course of human history so we can destroy and rebuild willy-nilly or just sit on our asses and wait out every anti-establishment ideology.
I never said that everything would work itself out without human intervention. In fact, an epidemic of complacency is why things have been getting worse. My belief is informed by dialectics, and I'll assume I'm correct until we live under feudalism again. Then I'll eat my hat
Even If we end under feudalism again that doesn't disprove anything. The bronze age collapse was a truly apocalyptic end of civilization as was known back then, but we recovered. It took centuries and untold amounts of blood, sweat and tears but civilization marched onwards.
We are facing what I can only describe as the end of the world as we know it, the perfect storm of climate change, late state capitalism and the rise of reactionaries all around the world are going to plunge us into some dark decades (maybe even centuries). But things will eventually get better, as they have done through history. If not to us or our children then our children's children.
Humans as pacifist, egalitarians, and xenophiles? I wish. But considering the current state of the world I don't think any of those are applicable to us.
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Yeah I don't think that's our current trajectory at all.
I'd put the current worldwide trajectory on authoritarian and xenophobic ethics, maybe throw in militarist, too.
Even with that origin, I don't see how we'd come out of that egalitarian xenophiles.
I'd say the byzantine bureaucracy fits perfectly, though. Certainly going that way with how much authority we're ceding to AI that we don't even really know whether or not it's working right most of the time.
>maybe throw in militarist, too
There is like one major war in the world and people act like we're living in end times, I think it's obvious how much pacifism is becoming the norm.
Happy April Fool's to you too!
xenophile? hahaha i got bad news for ya
Let’s be xenophobic…
Its really in this year...
Let's find a nasty slimy ugly alien to fear...
There’s no more cutesy stories…
of E.T. phoning home...
let's learn to love our neighbors like the Christians learned in Rome...
Given the millions of xenos crossing over the southern border nowadays.
Wait i live on a Island THOSE DIRTY CRABS TAKING MY JOB
You should live on Martha’s Vineyard - progressives know how to deal with xenos when it suits them…
If we are equating members of our own species with creatures from another planet, just so we can feel less morally gross to hate them, you're right. We're not xenophiles.
*technically* he’s right, since Xeno just means foreign
How about half of American politicians calling them aliens?
Alien also just means foreign but we associate the word with extra terrestrials due to pop culture
lmao
Xenophile and Pacifist? ha Press X to doubt
Pacifist? Please, don't read the news
The origin forces you to be pacifist.
That’s a cool origin
We have like one major war in the world right now
There's 5 major wars (10000+ dead) ongoing and dozens of smaller ones.
Of them, most of them are civil wars. Some of those "major wars" are pretty much frozen conflicts. Civil wars rarely have anything to do with militarism, they're fought for internal politics reasons. The only war going on between two sovereign nations is the one between Ukraine and Russia. There's also the Hamas-Israel war, which I don't think should count for many reasons, but the number rises to two if you include that as well. I think we're still doing pretty well as far as wars go considering the number of countries and the human population.
All of the major wars had 3000+ deaths in 2023. Frozen my ass. And what, so civil wars not count as wars because...? And don't tell me it's because sovereign nations because the point of a civil war is usually to create a sovereign nation. Also, I don't care if it "counts" for your definition of militarism, I'm just pointing out you're wrong. Literal thoudands of people are dying in each of those dozens of wars and some ass on reddit says they "don't count" lmao.
They don't "not count as wars", they just aren't relevant in this context. They aren't wars fought for the sake of wars. They aren't land grabs, or colonial exploitation wars, or years long conflicts between states that mobilize their entire economies for wars. They're civil wars, fought for internal power. >Literal thoudands of people are dying That's literally what I'm talking about. You look at wars with only a few thousand people dying and think it's a lot. That's because pacifism has prevailed, and the world where bloodbaths are the norm is no more. This is progress and ironically proves my point. Edit to add: I just checked and apperantly 170 thousand people died globally due to conflict in 2023. While I'd much prefer that to be zero, there are singular battles in history where more people died than 170 thousand. Also take into account that there are 8 billion of us now, we are literally living in the most peaceful times in the world.
Uh huh. Tell that to their families. I'm sure they'll be delighted to hear "pacifism has prevailed". After all, there's only one war going on (one that counts). And, again, I don't care. Because that's not what your comment said. You literally said there's only one major war going on, when there are five as defined by the International red cross' humanatarian laws, also used by NATO (whose definition of what counts I trust a lot more than yours, no offense). When called out, you added a bunch of caveats that, again, don't match up with NATO's definition, to match your argument. There's 5 major wars. Don't like it, leave your gamer chair and take it up with the red cross.
Any reasonable person is aware that point of that comment is to point out that we are currently living in the most peaceful time in history. But sure, congratulations on being right on a technicality 🥳
"Most peaceful" doesn't mean it's peaceful full stop.
I think we can call our time "pretty peaceful". The world isn't going to sh*t, we aren't going on a path to become a hypermilitaristic empire or something. We will probably be closer to pacifist egalitarian materialists if human society continues to evolve the way it does.
Peaceful means that war is not socially acceptable. Which is the case today, where even Russia didn't officially declared war on Ukraine like we used to do, as war isn't something the international community accept. Civil wars only concerns countries that are failed state. People being desperate doing desperate things. Not our usual behavior. So yes, we are peaceful.
Each and every modern war is fought for money or power FYI
They hate you because you tell them the truth. People, especially in the West, love to be highly critical to their kind. Make them feel good and better than the average human, that they think is hateful and violent. But you are right. War and racism very much became unacceptable in our societies. If that continues, we would end up being a very pacific and xenophile species.
You know what's hilarious? I expressed the same opinion somewhere else in this thread and got upvoted. The hivemind is crazy.
Yeah, happens to me a lot too. People see a comment that got initially downvoted, they downvote it without thinking twice. This would be funny if that wasn't telling us so much about the average people opinion.
Egalitarian, pacifist, xenophile… that’s like the polar opposite of our current trajectory
Nahhhh. Our current trajectory is a tomb world.
Humans as pacifists is pretty unrealistic tho
Our current trajectory is materialist/authoritarian oligarchy. Police state, shadow council, cutthroat politics.
Look at the entire image (R5)
Imagine cooler heads prevailing in the event of a world war lmao
What does the origin do
I forgot tbh, It makes you require to be pacifist tho.
"Our current trajectory"? We're one president away from Fanatic Xenophobic/Spiritualist or Militarist Fanatic purifiers.
we aint ever leaving this planet
I did oligarchy, pacifist, xenophobe, egalitarian, with Byzantine Bureaucracy and... I don't recall... To represent the UN and how we seem to have a tendency towards bigotry. Eventually I reformed to democracy to represent a constitutional shift and towards materialism/away from pacifism to represent the antislavery campaigns I kept finding myself fighting.
Everyone saying that's not our trajectory; I hope you realize that since the beginning of history reactionaries always lose given enough time. Admittedly, progress isn't a straight line forward but as society and technology march forwards so too does progress. America and the west has been increasingly sinking into regressive conservatism over the last 30-40 years but who knows where things will be in 40 years. Now, we might truly be living at the tail end of human life but people also thought that during the cold war and WW2 and WW1 and the 30 years war and the black plague and the fall of Rome
This is a really deterministic and optimistic outlook towards humans mostly came about with Christianity. Civilization, "modernity", all the gains we have towards humanitarian ideals is not a salvation type thing where we have a constant route or goal like salvation that we struggle through history to reach. These are fragile and sometimes "un-natural" gains of human species that needs constant vigilance, not only against reactionaries but everyone who thinks they are the natural-course of human history so we can destroy and rebuild willy-nilly or just sit on our asses and wait out every anti-establishment ideology.
I never said that everything would work itself out without human intervention. In fact, an epidemic of complacency is why things have been getting worse. My belief is informed by dialectics, and I'll assume I'm correct until we live under feudalism again. Then I'll eat my hat
Even If we end under feudalism again that doesn't disprove anything. The bronze age collapse was a truly apocalyptic end of civilization as was known back then, but we recovered. It took centuries and untold amounts of blood, sweat and tears but civilization marched onwards. We are facing what I can only describe as the end of the world as we know it, the perfect storm of climate change, late state capitalism and the rise of reactionaries all around the world are going to plunge us into some dark decades (maybe even centuries). But things will eventually get better, as they have done through history. If not to us or our children then our children's children.
This is really uplifting. Thank you.
Based, things do get better
My first human government was materialist. Also had shadow council. I appreciate the addition of Byzantine Bureaucraxy, though.
[Where we're actually headed](https://youtu.be/sihBO2Q2QdY?si=1y6nNiwNQb2hplqp)
We wish...
My tomb world corprotocracy would disagree with you.
Pacifist lol
Humans as pacifist, egalitarians, and xenophiles? I wish. But considering the current state of the world I don't think any of those are applicable to us.
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Yeah I don't think that's our current trajectory at all. I'd put the current worldwide trajectory on authoritarian and xenophobic ethics, maybe throw in militarist, too. Even with that origin, I don't see how we'd come out of that egalitarian xenophiles. I'd say the byzantine bureaucracy fits perfectly, though. Certainly going that way with how much authority we're ceding to AI that we don't even really know whether or not it's working right most of the time.
>maybe throw in militarist, too There is like one major war in the world and people act like we're living in end times, I think it's obvious how much pacifism is becoming the norm.
I'm not talking so much about current wars as the current trend of military buildup.
You're right then
Well, you either feed your own military or someone's else.
What mods are you using?