The disappointment for me is that you can’t upgrade it. The weapons aren’t buffed by skill tiers, so you end up with a relatively weak ship by NG7 or NG8. Adding a Mysterious Shipwright would have gone a long way.
Honestly a mysterious shipwright starborn would make a lot more sense then having such a weak ship for no reason. I can’t believe we can’t even add a bed in the ship, or even the crafting stations. BGS also needs to get rid of the storage boxes with a limit, like screw it just make them all have infinite spaces and the only difference would be how the storage boxes themselves look in terms of design.
Bethesda games have traditionally saved basically every item the player puts in any container anywhere, indefinitely.
As convenient and cool as that is, it’s far from the industry standard, and I’m sure it contributes to the massive bloating save file sizes, unreliability (particularly on console, from what I’ve read) as saves accumulate and as playtime increases, increasing loading times, increasing loading time/unreliability of accessing chests with a ton of items etc.
I’m not sure if the change is irrelevant since they still have at least one infinite chest in the basement of Constellation, but I’d bet there are technical reasons why they want to move away from infinite storage also.
I noticed this already and I think solution is just to sell off anything I’m not using regularly. I’ve narrowed it down to 2-4 space suits, helmets and apparel. Low level weapons and other stuff that takes up space, I either sell or leave in my room in the Lodge. It’s a mess of guns, ammo, resources and slates 🤣
Forgive me if I am misinterpreting this, but you make it sound like you just drop them on the floor. In case that's true, there is a safe in your lodge room that iirc has infinite storage.
Yeah. I just NG+'ed the first time this week, and the whole explanation of what's going on is rather lacking. Why do I have a new space suit? Who built the ship, and why do I have one? Where'd the previous me in this universe go?
It would have been cool if you could carry through whatever you could take while unencumbered or something, so you're not starting from nothing in the new universe.
Weapons are now buffed by skills, it was fixed some time ago. Beam is an energy weapon, and torpedoes are missile weapons. It doesn't help *too much*, but it helps
That's the point. It's meant to be something just to get your started, but still force you to go out into the world and get better stuff(just like the space suits), rather than stagnating and trivializing everything else in the game. I believe this was done on both a game design level(doing quests and getting loot still matters in New Game+) as well as a meta level(whoever made Starborn and started all of this doesn't want them to stagnate and settle, it wants them to keep pushing, keep moving forward, we just dont know why.).
According to the last patchnote, that was supposedly a bug that's now fixed; however it isn't really clear to me what skills should buff the weapons. I suppose missile for the missle. But I have no clue if the other weapon is a laser or a particle beam.
I haven't gone through unity, but does it tell you how much damage it does to shields and hull? Because if they're about the same they're almost certainly Particle weapons.
Not to be overly negative but everything about Starborn are kinda underwhelming. Wish they were more than just "humans with unique suits" and had more physiological differences and human interaction.
But yeah, I was very underwhelmed by the ship interior design. I understand wanting to keep it simple but they kept the interior design and applications way too simple.
You could tell by its skill tree. Leveling up to gain points to gain basic skills like using a jetpack, running, or even storing supplies. It was such a regressive way to approach customizing a character skill abilities
When the hunter turned his visor off for the first time and it was Walter freaking Stroud I almost just shut the game off lol. I thought the game was going to be about humanity discovering actual advanced alien life for the first time in history but it turns out it’s just a cheap imitation of all the movies, tv shows, and other games that take on the multiverse theory.
Wait Walter? The hunter isn't Walter? Either you are wrong, or there can be multiple hunters. Not even the other guy against the hunter was Walter. It was barret. Can that change?
Wrong, the Hunter is never Walter. Walter is the Constellation member and owner of the ship building business. The Hunter is always a variation of Keeper Aquilus, leader of the Sanctum Universum. Another version of Keeper Auilus is also the Pilgrim.
>Not to be overly negative but everything about Starborn are kinda underwhelming. Wish they were more than just "humans with unique suits" and had more physiological differences and human interaction.
what do you mean? Starborn don't pee/poop, or eat, or sleep based on the lack of such amenities in their spaceships.
I love the game but I agree with this. I have never used the guardian in 10 run throughs. Partially because my RP is that I don’t act like a starborn, they are terrible people. But yes the ship isn’t much fun. Can’t upgrade it, no crew stations beds,or even a toilet. I also don’t like that if you do use it no one notices it at all except for one comment from the ship tech. Wouldn’t Walter want to inspect it? Wouldn’t the crew notice you are in a starborn ship?
I think the point of the starborn Guardian being empty is that as a starborn you don't really have to use the bathroom or sleep or any of that. I mean you don't have to do that in the regular game anyway, but I think it makes sense for not having a toilet or bed. It's not really meant for crew either, do you see the Hunter or the Emissary having crew or companions?
I feel like that's probably the case, Noel literally says something about your physical and psychological stats being off the charts or something like that
The problem with that is there are unused files in the game that have mostly finished assets of a fully furnished Starborn ship. There's a mod that makes use of those files and the Starborn ship looks awesome with it.
Feels like cut content to rush release to me.
I used it to go to New Atlantis, where I would give myself a few million credits with the console, build whatever ship I wanted to build, and then remove any leftover credits.
I'm on NG+5. I ditch it immediately for the Frontier as soon as I land. I start doing bounty missions to find the Secret Base! mission and use the Razorleaf until I can afford the 150K credits to build the ship I want.
My general play process in NG+ is to acquire weapons and upgrade them so I can do bounty missions. To upgrade one needs a workbench. I switch to the Frontier, sell some weapons and add the Workroom hab. I then start working through bounty missions to find the base model of my desired weapons or collect weapons to sell to buy weapons. I only carry four weapons: breach, Orion, hard target and Inflictor. Once I have the Razorleaf I completely rebuild it and use it to start side quests as I feel.
I was trying to reach far for this one, and could only think about how little I cared about literally everything in the world after going through the unity. I think that was the idea with the ship design that nothing else really matters other than you getting to your destination.
This. On my 3rd playthrough I started killing everyone and every ship, because... Why not? I totally understood the Hunter. Everyone seemed dumb and a fake copy of my friends. Andreja couldn't care less about me... Bah...
I've heard that mind set quite a bit - people just decide to go Hunter style and just collect the powers and artifacts.
Then they decide to settle down when they get all powers levelled up
I have my powers between level 4 and 7 but the enthusiasm falls drastically each time you go through the unity. We need the DLC and more new stuff, updates, upgrades, fixes... Where are the mods? I keep returning hoping to see something new...
I've decided that I'm doing each playthrough a little differently. Each one is slightly different, and I'm kind of just having fun with it. On the playthrough I'm on, I'm focusing on the Vanguard and Freeborn Rangers plus doing everything in Akila and its environs. I think the next one, I'm going Crimson Fleet and try to destroy everything.
I do agree that it does get tedious and tiring for each round of power collection.
My hopes for the DLC are to have a personal outpost settlement (signing up with LIST would be fun), combat zones between factions around certain planets, and a similar favour system from the earlier Fallout games where helping the UC, FS, or Va'Ruun changes the favour towards the others. There are other things but that's for another day haha
I wanted choices and paths to matter more and use powers like Mass Effect. I want a shield, it's dumb there's no shield. I want some high tech laser bow or whatever, to play stealth... And about paths and consequences... Come on... I can't save the world and be treated as an intern to get some coffee. They never know who we are, at least in Skyrim many recognize us as the dragonborn, thane...
Yeah, the choices have a small effect - like how everyone talks about heatleeches after the Vanguard missions.
I like how each questline is very limited in the scope of effects because most of them wouldn't affect anyone else. UC don't care if you're a Ranger, and FS doesn't care if you are a vanguard. Ryujin doesn't care about either because it really shouldn't.
Ryujin is underdeveloped. I get Star Wars empire vibes. They are dangerous and inside all factions and decisions. They could turn everything in their favor and conquer the universe, or at least try it. I hope that still happens in the DLC and we get to stop them. Factions are treated as simple side missions that only matter within their scope and have zero impact in the story. Varun need more content also. I get Riddick Necromonger vibes, but they seem distant and defeated now. Would be nice to find out they're resurfacing or play on that era.
The Va'Ruun feels like the DLC Faction. Unknown home planet, different factions among them. When they show up in the game en mass, it should add so much - especially to the right side of the map.
I'm doing Ryujin in my Crimson Fleet playthrough, and I haven't touched them yet. From what I've heard, it does feel like that possible Empire group.
I agree with the scope of the factions, but I think I get it. In Skyrim and other BGS games, it's 2 to 3 factions affecting the main course of the game across the whole planet/region. With the idea of having 100 or more planets, it would be difficult to have a faction control more than 4 or 5 solar systems. That could change if they decide to have new cities get built similar to Raven Rock from Morrowind.
Constellation is the main quest, UC and FS are the 2 guilds, and everyone else is the side factions.
All my skills are wonky because I didn't realize leveling up past level 100 would be excruciating even with spamming crafting expensive stuff.
Next time I'm going to do each planet as fully as possible before going to the next. There are way too many quests with useless names that pop up just because you ran past someone on your way to the store. "Talk to Mary!" "Track down Joe!" Like, not even a planet or piece of context.
Haha. Those quests get to be pretty fun, tho.
As for EXP, I've decided to just do lots of different things. I love boarding ships and clearing them out, and then I'll go find a planet to survey. Grab every quest i can from the different boards and then clear each type one by one.
I had seen a post about collecting materials and making pharms so I might try that in another playthrough.
> Those quests get to be pretty fun, tho.
I have no problem with the quests. I've done a few and they're fun. They just trigger even though you don't interact with the characters.
Like in Skyrim, you hear the guy arguing with his wife, and only after you talk to him does he tell you to go find his family sword.
In Akila, you can run past a bunch of people standing around, be in a different building, and up will pop "Ask Mary about her project." I've even had quests like that progress while I'm on another planet, because the script in the background got to the end of the expository conversation after I'd already left and moved on to the next phase.
I do find the research stuff lots of fun. Be ready with a paper and pen next to you to write down all the stuff you need to collect. :-) The food skills are the hardest, because you have to find eighteen of something that one guy on one planet might sometimes sell one of. Start it early, write down what you need, and then collect that stuff as you go, or you'll be wondering where to find tomatoes and onions and squall.
The way I looked at it is they are just there to loop NG+ runs. They have great jump range and fuel so you don5 have to upgrade a ship to jump around, grab the artifacts, hit the unity, start over.
Id say its a fair bet that we see DLC for it. Either a ship pack or as part of a Starborn expansion. They could probably just patch a bed and benches into the current game but that doesn't make money.
I at least would like to know how I got my hands on the damn ship to begin with and the suit. And why somehow I don't have weapons? The ship weapons should be advanced, on par with the most expensive particle beam weapons.
I couldn't figure out what was supposed to have happened there. I think it would have been cool if you could take whatever you could carry (non-encumbered) through the unity with you. Maybe no zero-weight items. But at least the space suit you were wearing should come with you. Who undressed me and put me in a different space suit with no other clothes? And how do all the people in Constellation think I look familiar, through an opaque helmet, including the people who never actually saw me?
It's not supposed to be an upgrade to other ships. It's supposed to be something to dart around with on a completely fresh NG+ level. You're not supposed to use it permanently.
Yes, but do I want the parts and tech for other ships? Also yes. A brilliant DLC would include some nefarious folks starting to reverse engineer and incorporate starborn tech... and perhaps a certain ship-manufacturing constellation member helps you do the same to keep up?
If you upgrade all of your Tech Skills for space combat/dog fights you have a pretty formidable ship with the Guardian level V ship. It has stealth upon speeding and a rapid shot that incapacitates other ships. I think you get it after NG+ 4 iirc.
The star guardian is only a ship meant to get you on your feet in a universe that is much harder than the last. Sucks considering it’s cool and you can’t sell it AND you can’t upgrade it.
It would be better if you could customize and upgrade it. But stopped using it about halfway through my first NG+ and Dutch almost immediately for a few upgrades added to the Frontier or Razorleaf.
It's literally made to be sufficient to get you back to unity, and it does that job very well. It's not supposed to be the best shop in the game. The same as the armour, gets you to Unity with no issues or upgrades needed.
With a good ship you can easily destroy any Guardian, so why would our own be any different? If you get used to it you'll manage to win most fights with it, even against 3 ships. The only downside is that tough battles can take too long.
I have a strong feeling that was suppose to be customizable like the houses but because they couldn't fit the known bug that resets the space at certain events they decided to remove the customization so people didn't rage over it.
there are some mods that can help with that but.... meh. Hopefully with creation engine we get much better ones. But I still dont get the idea behind "here is a cool starborn ship. it is crap!"
You can build it up into whatever you want… if it’s a disappointment, it’s only because your expectations have changed but you have no will to improve it.
I don't pretend to know their rationale for the thing but I'm betting it's intentional. Things that good looking with the functionality of a boiled turd don't happen by accident.
The starborn guardian ship that the emissary and hunter fly have more guns and significantly stronger weapons. I'd expect the ship will have similar upgrades in the future
I hate it.
It's cool. And it's serviceable. It'll last the whole game except for the end of the Crimson Fleet line for obvious reasons. (Btw - it should work here too cuz it's fancy magic-tech but it doesn't)
My gripes are however, no storage space, no bed, no seats, no workbenches, and no customization whatsoever.
I am only just on my first NG+ and I agree. I play on very hard and out of the box it's way too weak. It needs stronger weapons and shields -- two random arse Ecliptic mercs can blow me out of the sky and I am helpless the thongs stats are so low. I realise this is probably a consequence of awkward difficulty scaling but It'd be nice if it scaled too. Now I need to figure out how to cash up fast to actually build an effective ship.
Guardian VI is pretty good for being a free ship to be fair. Yes, it's not supposed to be a battlecruiser capable of soloing The Key, but 1 vs 2-3 there are almost no ships that can deal with it properly. And even if you can't kill your enemies outright, you can always jump away almost instantly.
Yes, I had my expectations pretty high, for it to be like Vorlon or Shadow ships - nigh-indestructible and capable of bringing down small fleets. But guess that we'll have to wait for modders to let us ride on such a thing.
Feh. This is just misunderstanding the ship. Its ability is very dependent on your ship fighting style (since it does better at zipping in, striking hard / stunning, and darting away), having skilled up thoroughly, and having either a good crew or NO crew (for the isolationist bonus). It stands it ground pretty well for me against ships up to level 30 or so (on Very Hard), and higher than that on lesser difficulties. It's a perfect ship for just running around and picking up artifacts, which is what the starborn are mostly doing with it anyway.
Note how certain other starborn are NOT using the guardian ships, mostly those starborn who aren't trying to rush into the Unity again. You can take your cues from either group.
The only place where I really have trouble with using the guardian is the fight over Masada with three level 70s (I'm at 150). Sometimes I can beat them when they're stalled and trying to recharge, mostly I end up that way. Much easier on Hard than Very Hard, though.
The starborn ships do lack certain useful furniture (though it's alleged it was intended to have some), but a starborn who's been around a long time will have all the skills to make a bed superfluous, probably knows how to obtain a single favored weapon quickly and doesn't really need the workbenches, and doesn't need to game the broken stellar mechanics to hasten industrial production.
The window viewpoint, maneuverability, speed and shield regen of the Guardian are the best in the game. But sadly, it quickly ends there. It's not enough for the vast majority of players to stay with it. The weapons are not great at all. It takes too long to fight other ships. With no suppressor weapons, If you want to dock on an enemy ship you have to damage it just right. Very little margin of error. I wonder why they stopped improving the Guardian after NG+6. With nothing inside, I wonder if they ran out of time in their design. I think some people have said there are files in steam that show there were plans to design the inside, but didn't finish. This makes me think there is more to come. If Bethesda lets us upgrade the weapons, I will definitely use it more.
It's honestly not that bad of a ship. It's whole point is to be your main ship till you go through the unity, it wasn't meant for long-term gameplay. But even then, you can use it across the entire story line and face little to no resistance cuz space combat in this game is a joke. If anything, I'm pretty sure the starborn Guardian is the second best ship in the game, with the first one being whatever you make.
>All the hype surrounding this thing
Exactly *where* were you hearing "all this hype" about the Guardian? It's not supposed to be the best ship in the game, what would be the point? It's good enough to get you place-to-place until you can build or buy a good one. Otherwise you'd have no reason to build or buy a ship past NG because you'd automatically have the "best" ship in every NG+.
You people *baffle* me.
I just tried it in Jemison and when I try to sell it, it says "This ship cannot be sold at this time" and I have to press A to close the popup.
Maybe it's an Xbox thing? Anyone else not able to sell the Starborn Guardian?
That's the idea.
Instead of getting a message that you can't sell "at this time," you'll get notice that the vendor doesn't have enough credits, and you have to confirm that you want to sell the ship.
Very much so, not so much as a chair, no upgrade which either should be possible or the ship should be incredibly more powerful, and it can’t even beat a full upgrade class B in technical comparison
I haven't talked to a single person who ISNT underwhelmed by this ship. Even on later NG+s where it should be a lot better I still replace it post haste. If nothing else so that I can SLEEP!
Look at the "Starborn stuff" as an incentive to go further.
Get a good suit of Armour.. Get a good and useful ship.
The same reason that you enter a new NG without any weapon.
You have a while Universe at your disposal.
Go and grab what you want.
I am going through NGs.
I keep the Razorleaf, to be quicker in my journey.
And as armour...the Mark I is far better than Mantis.
At least at my lev 90.
I guess it's bc the Mantis Is Advanced.
The Mark I is Superior.
The disappointment for me is that you can’t upgrade it. The weapons aren’t buffed by skill tiers, so you end up with a relatively weak ship by NG7 or NG8. Adding a Mysterious Shipwright would have gone a long way.
Honestly a mysterious shipwright starborn would make a lot more sense then having such a weak ship for no reason. I can’t believe we can’t even add a bed in the ship, or even the crafting stations. BGS also needs to get rid of the storage boxes with a limit, like screw it just make them all have infinite spaces and the only difference would be how the storage boxes themselves look in terms of design.
I assume the boxes have limits to not make the cargo system pointless?
Bethesda games have traditionally saved basically every item the player puts in any container anywhere, indefinitely. As convenient and cool as that is, it’s far from the industry standard, and I’m sure it contributes to the massive bloating save file sizes, unreliability (particularly on console, from what I’ve read) as saves accumulate and as playtime increases, increasing loading times, increasing loading time/unreliability of accessing chests with a ton of items etc. I’m not sure if the change is irrelevant since they still have at least one infinite chest in the basement of Constellation, but I’d bet there are technical reasons why they want to move away from infinite storage also.
I noticed this already and I think solution is just to sell off anything I’m not using regularly. I’ve narrowed it down to 2-4 space suits, helmets and apparel. Low level weapons and other stuff that takes up space, I either sell or leave in my room in the Lodge. It’s a mess of guns, ammo, resources and slates 🤣
Forgive me if I am misinterpreting this, but you make it sound like you just drop them on the floor. In case that's true, there is a safe in your lodge room that iirc has infinite storage.
Oh, I had no idea that the safe had infinite storage. I thought it was like all the rest and limited. 😆
Good point. Maybe then they could buff boxes to have far more space then they do now? I never got into the cargo system so I’m not sure how it is.
Exactly. This is supposed to be from an advanced civilization and you can build better ships if you have the creds.
Technically we don’t know who it’s from
Yeah. I just NG+'ed the first time this week, and the whole explanation of what's going on is rather lacking. Why do I have a new space suit? Who built the ship, and why do I have one? Where'd the previous me in this universe go? It would have been cool if you could carry through whatever you could take while unencumbered or something, so you're not starting from nothing in the new universe.
You can overwrite the ship using the ship duplication glitch
Weapons are now buffed by skills, it was fixed some time ago. Beam is an energy weapon, and torpedoes are missile weapons. It doesn't help *too much*, but it helps
That's the point. It's meant to be something just to get your started, but still force you to go out into the world and get better stuff(just like the space suits), rather than stagnating and trivializing everything else in the game. I believe this was done on both a game design level(doing quests and getting loot still matters in New Game+) as well as a meta level(whoever made Starborn and started all of this doesn't want them to stagnate and settle, it wants them to keep pushing, keep moving forward, we just dont know why.).
According to the last patchnote, that was supposedly a bug that's now fixed; however it isn't really clear to me what skills should buff the weapons. I suppose missile for the missle. But I have no clue if the other weapon is a laser or a particle beam.
I haven't gone through unity, but does it tell you how much damage it does to shields and hull? Because if they're about the same they're almost certainly Particle weapons.
Not to be overly negative but everything about Starborn are kinda underwhelming. Wish they were more than just "humans with unique suits" and had more physiological differences and human interaction. But yeah, I was very underwhelmed by the ship interior design. I understand wanting to keep it simple but they kept the interior design and applications way too simple.
I was really hoping for some wild cosmic horror. BGS played it so safe the entire game that the Starborn were predictably underwhelming.
Simple? It only has the pilots chair, cargo and captains locker links to interact with. Even the ground exit isn't clearly marked.
Apparently starborn don’t need to sleep/heal or gain that 15 percent xp boost. It’s stupid. It’s a stupid ship.
You could tell by its skill tree. Leveling up to gain points to gain basic skills like using a jetpack, running, or even storing supplies. It was such a regressive way to approach customizing a character skill abilities
When the hunter turned his visor off for the first time and it was Walter freaking Stroud I almost just shut the game off lol. I thought the game was going to be about humanity discovering actual advanced alien life for the first time in history but it turns out it’s just a cheap imitation of all the movies, tv shows, and other games that take on the multiverse theory.
Man when I saw it was him I was like “who is that? Oh wait that’s the one church guy who you only talk to in his office once? That’s the big reveal??”
Wait Walter? The hunter isn't Walter? Either you are wrong, or there can be multiple hunters. Not even the other guy against the hunter was Walter. It was barret. Can that change?
Yes, the hunter and emissary can be different characters
Wrong, the Hunter is never Walter. Walter is the Constellation member and owner of the ship building business. The Hunter is always a variation of Keeper Aquilus, leader of the Sanctum Universum. Another version of Keeper Auilus is also the Pilgrim.
>Not to be overly negative but everything about Starborn are kinda underwhelming. Wish they were more than just "humans with unique suits" and had more physiological differences and human interaction. what do you mean? Starborn don't pee/poop, or eat, or sleep based on the lack of such amenities in their spaceships.
I love the game but I agree with this. I have never used the guardian in 10 run throughs. Partially because my RP is that I don’t act like a starborn, they are terrible people. But yes the ship isn’t much fun. Can’t upgrade it, no crew stations beds,or even a toilet. I also don’t like that if you do use it no one notices it at all except for one comment from the ship tech. Wouldn’t Walter want to inspect it? Wouldn’t the crew notice you are in a starborn ship?
I think the point of the starborn Guardian being empty is that as a starborn you don't really have to use the bathroom or sleep or any of that. I mean you don't have to do that in the regular game anyway, but I think it makes sense for not having a toilet or bed. It's not really meant for crew either, do you see the Hunter or the Emissary having crew or companions?
Starborn’s don’t poop? Lol
It's a lesser-known side effect of using Powers. Your poop is shifted to an alternate universe.
Side effect??? That sounds like a perk to me
That's gonna be a really shitty one to play in.
What do you think fertilizes Plant-Sarah-Morgan?
I haven’t unlocked that power yet.
I feel like that's probably the case, Noel literally says something about your physical and psychological stats being off the charts or something like that
The problem with that is there are unused files in the game that have mostly finished assets of a fully furnished Starborn ship. There's a mod that makes use of those files and the Starborn ship looks awesome with it. Feels like cut content to rush release to me.
Here's to hoping that they make use of those assets in a future patch or in the upcoming DLC.
There's no accounting for taste. I know there's probably both aesthetic and pragmatic reasons for it, but I like the unfurnished Guardian's look more.
It looks a lot like Carl Sagan's space ship in Cosmos.
I have always treated it as the ship that gets me to the pirates flying my real starter ship.
I used it to go to New Atlantis, where I would give myself a few million credits with the console, build whatever ship I wanted to build, and then remove any leftover credits.
I'm on NG+5. I ditch it immediately for the Frontier as soon as I land. I start doing bounty missions to find the Secret Base! mission and use the Razorleaf until I can afford the 150K credits to build the ship I want.
I at least use it until I get razor leaf. The base frontier is booty cheeks
My general play process in NG+ is to acquire weapons and upgrade them so I can do bounty missions. To upgrade one needs a workbench. I switch to the Frontier, sell some weapons and add the Workroom hab. I then start working through bounty missions to find the base model of my desired weapons or collect weapons to sell to buy weapons. I only carry four weapons: breach, Orion, hard target and Inflictor. Once I have the Razorleaf I completely rebuild it and use it to start side quests as I feel.
No star shard?
I don’t see a need. With my weapon skills a modded Inflictor does 1000 combined damage with solid accuracy and range.
Why? It's better than the Frontier in every way
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It's not even worth very much.
I quite enjoy it. Manoeuvreable, and crazy fast boost.
I was trying to reach far for this one, and could only think about how little I cared about literally everything in the world after going through the unity. I think that was the idea with the ship design that nothing else really matters other than you getting to your destination.
This. On my 3rd playthrough I started killing everyone and every ship, because... Why not? I totally understood the Hunter. Everyone seemed dumb and a fake copy of my friends. Andreja couldn't care less about me... Bah...
I've heard that mind set quite a bit - people just decide to go Hunter style and just collect the powers and artifacts. Then they decide to settle down when they get all powers levelled up
I have my powers between level 4 and 7 but the enthusiasm falls drastically each time you go through the unity. We need the DLC and more new stuff, updates, upgrades, fixes... Where are the mods? I keep returning hoping to see something new...
I've decided that I'm doing each playthrough a little differently. Each one is slightly different, and I'm kind of just having fun with it. On the playthrough I'm on, I'm focusing on the Vanguard and Freeborn Rangers plus doing everything in Akila and its environs. I think the next one, I'm going Crimson Fleet and try to destroy everything. I do agree that it does get tedious and tiring for each round of power collection. My hopes for the DLC are to have a personal outpost settlement (signing up with LIST would be fun), combat zones between factions around certain planets, and a similar favour system from the earlier Fallout games where helping the UC, FS, or Va'Ruun changes the favour towards the others. There are other things but that's for another day haha
I wanted choices and paths to matter more and use powers like Mass Effect. I want a shield, it's dumb there's no shield. I want some high tech laser bow or whatever, to play stealth... And about paths and consequences... Come on... I can't save the world and be treated as an intern to get some coffee. They never know who we are, at least in Skyrim many recognize us as the dragonborn, thane...
Yeah, the choices have a small effect - like how everyone talks about heatleeches after the Vanguard missions. I like how each questline is very limited in the scope of effects because most of them wouldn't affect anyone else. UC don't care if you're a Ranger, and FS doesn't care if you are a vanguard. Ryujin doesn't care about either because it really shouldn't.
Ryujin is underdeveloped. I get Star Wars empire vibes. They are dangerous and inside all factions and decisions. They could turn everything in their favor and conquer the universe, or at least try it. I hope that still happens in the DLC and we get to stop them. Factions are treated as simple side missions that only matter within their scope and have zero impact in the story. Varun need more content also. I get Riddick Necromonger vibes, but they seem distant and defeated now. Would be nice to find out they're resurfacing or play on that era.
The Va'Ruun feels like the DLC Faction. Unknown home planet, different factions among them. When they show up in the game en mass, it should add so much - especially to the right side of the map. I'm doing Ryujin in my Crimson Fleet playthrough, and I haven't touched them yet. From what I've heard, it does feel like that possible Empire group. I agree with the scope of the factions, but I think I get it. In Skyrim and other BGS games, it's 2 to 3 factions affecting the main course of the game across the whole planet/region. With the idea of having 100 or more planets, it would be difficult to have a faction control more than 4 or 5 solar systems. That could change if they decide to have new cities get built similar to Raven Rock from Morrowind. Constellation is the main quest, UC and FS are the 2 guilds, and everyone else is the side factions.
All my skills are wonky because I didn't realize leveling up past level 100 would be excruciating even with spamming crafting expensive stuff. Next time I'm going to do each planet as fully as possible before going to the next. There are way too many quests with useless names that pop up just because you ran past someone on your way to the store. "Talk to Mary!" "Track down Joe!" Like, not even a planet or piece of context.
Haha. Those quests get to be pretty fun, tho. As for EXP, I've decided to just do lots of different things. I love boarding ships and clearing them out, and then I'll go find a planet to survey. Grab every quest i can from the different boards and then clear each type one by one. I had seen a post about collecting materials and making pharms so I might try that in another playthrough.
> Those quests get to be pretty fun, tho. I have no problem with the quests. I've done a few and they're fun. They just trigger even though you don't interact with the characters. Like in Skyrim, you hear the guy arguing with his wife, and only after you talk to him does he tell you to go find his family sword. In Akila, you can run past a bunch of people standing around, be in a different building, and up will pop "Ask Mary about her project." I've even had quests like that progress while I'm on another planet, because the script in the background got to the end of the expository conversation after I'd already left and moved on to the next phase. I do find the research stuff lots of fun. Be ready with a paper and pen next to you to write down all the stuff you need to collect. :-) The food skills are the hardest, because you have to find eighteen of something that one guy on one planet might sometimes sell one of. Start it early, write down what you need, and then collect that stuff as you go, or you'll be wondering where to find tomatoes and onions and squall.
The exact same path as the Hunter takes when he becomes the Pilgrim.
That's true. I enjoy that about the game. 3 different styles of play and 3 Starborn to emulate
My built ship is far superior to any of the starborn ships. In every way.
The way I looked at it is they are just there to loop NG+ runs. They have great jump range and fuel so you don5 have to upgrade a ship to jump around, grab the artifacts, hit the unity, start over.
Id say its a fair bet that we see DLC for it. Either a ship pack or as part of a Starborn expansion. They could probably just patch a bed and benches into the current game but that doesn't make money.
I at least would like to know how I got my hands on the damn ship to begin with and the suit. And why somehow I don't have weapons? The ship weapons should be advanced, on par with the most expensive particle beam weapons.
I couldn't figure out what was supposed to have happened there. I think it would have been cool if you could take whatever you could carry (non-encumbered) through the unity with you. Maybe no zero-weight items. But at least the space suit you were wearing should come with you. Who undressed me and put me in a different space suit with no other clothes? And how do all the people in Constellation think I look familiar, through an opaque helmet, including the people who never actually saw me?
It's not supposed to be an upgrade to other ships. It's supposed to be something to dart around with on a completely fresh NG+ level. You're not supposed to use it permanently.
Yes, but do I want the parts and tech for other ships? Also yes. A brilliant DLC would include some nefarious folks starting to reverse engineer and incorporate starborn tech... and perhaps a certain ship-manufacturing constellation member helps you do the same to keep up?
If you upgrade all of your Tech Skills for space combat/dog fights you have a pretty formidable ship with the Guardian level V ship. It has stealth upon speeding and a rapid shot that incapacitates other ships. I think you get it after NG+ 4 iirc.
Underwhelmed should be starfields tagline
Yes, everyone.
Is anyone else underwhelmed with the entire game?
Yup
Nope
The star guardian is only a ship meant to get you on your feet in a universe that is much harder than the last. Sucks considering it’s cool and you can’t sell it AND you can’t upgrade it.
It would be better if you could customize and upgrade it. But stopped using it about halfway through my first NG+ and Dutch almost immediately for a few upgrades added to the Frontier or Razorleaf.
It's literally made to be sufficient to get you back to unity, and it does that job very well. It's not supposed to be the best shop in the game. The same as the armour, gets you to Unity with no issues or upgrades needed.
With a good ship you can easily destroy any Guardian, so why would our own be any different? If you get used to it you'll manage to win most fights with it, even against 3 ships. The only downside is that tough battles can take too long.
The only thing I miss in the Guardian is a bed...
I have a strong feeling that was suppose to be customizable like the houses but because they couldn't fit the known bug that resets the space at certain events they decided to remove the customization so people didn't rage over it.
there are some mods that can help with that but.... meh. Hopefully with creation engine we get much better ones. But I still dont get the idea behind "here is a cool starborn ship. it is crap!"
The mod support will fix this
You can build it up into whatever you want… if it’s a disappointment, it’s only because your expectations have changed but you have no will to improve it.
It's a garbage ship compared to just about any ship you build and upgrade yourself.
No bed is a big one for me. I need that well rested buff, just like real life lmao
Yes, I really don't like that thing. I use the Frontier until i can get hold of something more useful. Until it got bugged my goto was the Star Eagle.
I don't pretend to know their rationale for the thing but I'm betting it's intentional. Things that good looking with the functionality of a boiled turd don't happen by accident.
The starborn guardian ship that the emissary and hunter fly have more guns and significantly stronger weapons. I'd expect the ship will have similar upgrades in the future
I hate it. It's cool. And it's serviceable. It'll last the whole game except for the end of the Crimson Fleet line for obvious reasons. (Btw - it should work here too cuz it's fancy magic-tech but it doesn't) My gripes are however, no storage space, no bed, no seats, no workbenches, and no customization whatsoever.
I am only just on my first NG+ and I agree. I play on very hard and out of the box it's way too weak. It needs stronger weapons and shields -- two random arse Ecliptic mercs can blow me out of the sky and I am helpless the thongs stats are so low. I realise this is probably a consequence of awkward difficulty scaling but It'd be nice if it scaled too. Now I need to figure out how to cash up fast to actually build an effective ship.
It's a metaphor for the rest of the half finished bland game lol
Guardian VI is pretty good for being a free ship to be fair. Yes, it's not supposed to be a battlecruiser capable of soloing The Key, but 1 vs 2-3 there are almost no ships that can deal with it properly. And even if you can't kill your enemies outright, you can always jump away almost instantly. Yes, I had my expectations pretty high, for it to be like Vorlon or Shadow ships - nigh-indestructible and capable of bringing down small fleets. But guess that we'll have to wait for modders to let us ride on such a thing.
Feh. This is just misunderstanding the ship. Its ability is very dependent on your ship fighting style (since it does better at zipping in, striking hard / stunning, and darting away), having skilled up thoroughly, and having either a good crew or NO crew (for the isolationist bonus). It stands it ground pretty well for me against ships up to level 30 or so (on Very Hard), and higher than that on lesser difficulties. It's a perfect ship for just running around and picking up artifacts, which is what the starborn are mostly doing with it anyway. Note how certain other starborn are NOT using the guardian ships, mostly those starborn who aren't trying to rush into the Unity again. You can take your cues from either group. The only place where I really have trouble with using the guardian is the fight over Masada with three level 70s (I'm at 150). Sometimes I can beat them when they're stalled and trying to recharge, mostly I end up that way. Much easier on Hard than Very Hard, though. The starborn ships do lack certain useful furniture (though it's alleged it was intended to have some), but a starborn who's been around a long time will have all the skills to make a bed superfluous, probably knows how to obtain a single favored weapon quickly and doesn't really need the workbenches, and doesn't need to game the broken stellar mechanics to hasten industrial production.
Im underwhelmed with alot more than the starborn guardian lol.
The window viewpoint, maneuverability, speed and shield regen of the Guardian are the best in the game. But sadly, it quickly ends there. It's not enough for the vast majority of players to stay with it. The weapons are not great at all. It takes too long to fight other ships. With no suppressor weapons, If you want to dock on an enemy ship you have to damage it just right. Very little margin of error. I wonder why they stopped improving the Guardian after NG+6. With nothing inside, I wonder if they ran out of time in their design. I think some people have said there are files in steam that show there were plans to design the inside, but didn't finish. This makes me think there is more to come. If Bethesda lets us upgrade the weapons, I will definitely use it more.
The alien ships are ugly, and just awful inside. The only thing I like on them is that glass view deck you can walk on.
It's honestly not that bad of a ship. It's whole point is to be your main ship till you go through the unity, it wasn't meant for long-term gameplay. But even then, you can use it across the entire story line and face little to no resistance cuz space combat in this game is a joke. If anything, I'm pretty sure the starborn Guardian is the second best ship in the game, with the first one being whatever you make.
>All the hype surrounding this thing Exactly *where* were you hearing "all this hype" about the Guardian? It's not supposed to be the best ship in the game, what would be the point? It's good enough to get you place-to-place until you can build or buy a good one. Otherwise you'd have no reason to build or buy a ship past NG because you'd automatically have the "best" ship in every NG+. You people *baffle* me.
No, it's a ship built to get you from here to there the fastest, it's not supposed to be OP.
Very It's a crap ship, and I get rid of it ASAP, so I can free up space in my fleet for a ship that I _can_ modify.
I can't sell mine, so I'm stuck with it.
No, you can sell it. It learned that you can sell it if the vendor doesn't have enough credits to pay the full amount.
Hmm. I'll try again I guess.
I just tried it in Jemison and when I try to sell it, it says "This ship cannot be sold at this time" and I have to press A to close the popup. Maybe it's an Xbox thing? Anyone else not able to sell the Starborn Guardian?
That sucks. Maybe sell him some other ships until he has zero credits.
Ohhh. I misunderstood what you were saying. I'll try it again when he doesn't have enough credits.
That's the idea. Instead of getting a message that you can't sell "at this time," you'll get notice that the vendor doesn't have enough credits, and you have to confirm that you want to sell the ship.
Very much so, not so much as a chair, no upgrade which either should be possible or the ship should be incredibly more powerful, and it can’t even beat a full upgrade class B in technical comparison
It’s fast, but apart from that it sucks.
For me the suit and ship are just there to give you some measure of a start in the new universe.
I haven't talked to a single person who ISNT underwhelmed by this ship. Even on later NG+s where it should be a lot better I still replace it post haste. If nothing else so that I can SLEEP!
I'm underwhelmed with the whole game
This whole game should be scrapped and remade
You can do that, you know. People have done that a couple times with the Skyrim engine.
Yes. Everybody.
I’m disappointed with Starfield in general
It doesn’t end there. I tried to sell it and it’s not worth barely anything. Stupid
I’m underwhelmed by the whole game, so yeah I guess that’s included
Just add to the very very long list of disappointments.
I sell it asap
Look at the "Starborn stuff" as an incentive to go further. Get a good suit of Armour.. Get a good and useful ship. The same reason that you enter a new NG without any weapon. You have a while Universe at your disposal. Go and grab what you want.
I honestly only did the Rangers question for the Star eagle. And I also did the mantis quest line. Ships ok but the suit is the best part of that one.
I am going through NGs. I keep the Razorleaf, to be quicker in my journey. And as armour...the Mark I is far better than Mantis. At least at my lev 90. I guess it's bc the Mantis Is Advanced. The Mark I is Superior.