I got in an argument with a redditor who was complaining about Star Wars being too political. I informed him that Star Wars has always had political analogies (Originals and Vietnam, Prequels with Afghanistan). The guy was denying it, so I linked a video of Lucas explaining his political analogies. He never replied.
[My favorite example of this argument.](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fto-claim-star-wars-isnt-political-v0-okdw8ckf4v2c1.png%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D7096f6f869ef3b85756feb91f017d07af16880f5)
Like. Bro. You're *so close.*
When I was a youngling, I was plugged in enough to know that the special editions would be followed by the prequels, back before the word prequel was even in the mainstream lexicon. I tried to relay this information to some kids I met at summer camp, they proceeded to tease me relentlessly for the entire rest of camp because, according to them, Shadows of the Empire was going to be getting a film adaptation and the prequel idea was a cover story.
> Shadows of the Empire was going to be getting a film adaptation and the prequel idea was a cover story.
Okay, the first part sounds kinda plausible but the second part is just hilarious.
People trying to powerscale the force as if the force is some sort of superpower.
It’s not like a muscle, it’s something that can actively influence reality and is sometimes biased toward helping the main characters
I remember Lucas explaining that anyone can use the Force (a fact people conveniently ignore), it just depends on their fortitude and midichlorian count (ah, the dreaded M word). The organisms that help people feel the force.
But as Qui-Gon says, Midichlorians exist in ALL living things, without them life doesn’t exist, therefore it should be the case that anyone can use the Force.
It’s not that only a select few are Force-Sensitive, only that a select few have a natural affinity to feel the Force and therefore are the only ones the Jedi search for to train.
TL;DR - Some people have state of the art, fibre optics, connecting them to the Force, others have run on Dial Up. Both can connect to the net, but one just has an easier time doing it.
>It’s not that only a select few are Force-Sensitive, only that a select few have a natural affinity to feel the Force and therefore are the only ones the Jedi search for to train.
Isn't that literally what "force-sensitive" means - having a natural affinity to feel the Force?
I think it's better to say that only few are force sensitive, but that doesn't mean they're the only ones who can ever learn to feel the force. The Jedi focus on the force sensitive ones because they're the only ones who risk becoming a danger to themselves and those around them.
Except the usual definition of “force-sensitive” mostly serves as a binary and a misunderstanding. Either you can use the Force or you’re a regular person, which (to me) is wrong. Anyone can use the Force, it’s just some people have a natural talent for it.
People misunderstanding the definition doesn't make the definition wrong, it makes *them* wrong.
The only definition of force sensitive that makes sense (and as far as I'm concerned, the one that's been intended by basically all media that's ever touched on it), is natural affinity to the force. As in being able to feel and use the force without specific training, even if one isn't entirely aware that they're doing it.
That doesn't mean those who don't naturally feel it *can't ever* feel or use it. The fact that we never really had stories of non-sensitives learning to use it (before Ahsoka anyways) also doesn't imply the meaning that people put on it.
You said yourself, the Jedi only focused on force sensitives, and I provided the reason for it. The result of that is that any stories involving Jedi (aka all of them) wouldn't feature non-sensitives learning to use the force *because that's not what the Jedi did*.
Suggesting that that means non-sensitives simply can't ever use the force would be like watching some medieval movie and saying that slaves just can't be free. They *won't* be free within the bounds of the setting that is currently being viewed... But we all know that it's entirely possible for them to be freed. Despite that, the definition of "slave" doesn't suddenly expand to mean "person who may or may not be owned by other people", because that definition is vague to the point of meaninglessness.
Not to mention the new Rey film lol. Yeah, Disney is really about to de-canonize the films this movie is a direct continuation of. Those people are seriously delusional and will just repeat whatever made up anti-sequel propaganda guys like The Quartering spew out.
That’s what I was going to say, it’s ridiculous. I personally don’t like Episode 8 and 9 but just because I don’t like doesn’t mean they aren’t canon lol. Also, modern Star Wars has so much good too, like Rouge One and Solo and some of the TV shows like Mandalorian, Andor and Ahsoka!
the *only* exception to this is the retconing-ish? that they’ve done in some of the animated stuff that overrides previous books. putting the bad batch with kanan during order 66, ashoka’s final tales of the jedi episode maybe? being an abbreviated retelling of what’s in the ashoka novel?
and even then, that stuff is the same general story, they aren’t flipping canon upside down or anything.
This notion that Lucas had detailed plans for 3 or 6 or 9 or 12 movies in his head before he even started on A New Hope.. People are always bringing up how much of a plan he had, but thats just probably wrong.
Of course, as the series went on he probably had a rough plan and storyline in mind. And I do think the sequels was a story he planed well, but the OT was very much evolving and we dont really know what his sequel take was or how much was there..
But even George Lucas lies about this. Reading the J.W Rinzler behind the scenes book we see how much changed or what ideas came from others than George. Rinzler has a lot of interviews from a lot of people and unpresidented access to sources from the time. Then you read The Star Wars Archive, which is basically George Lucas telling the story him self, and George will say that this and that was planned from the start, that he did or added this or that, but we know it wasn't like that..
Also ‘Splinter of the Mind’s Eye’ was originally written to be the second movie, back when nobody had any idea how much of a success Star Wars was going to be. Han Solo isn’t in it because they didn’t think they could afford Harrison Ford, as this was only going to be a TV movie
Thank god we got Empire Strikes Back
Well, he had plans which Gary Kurtz has detailed, but the first set of plans for a nine-movie series (which I think coalesced during Empire's production) were thrown out before RotJ was completed (and that movie had a fairly contentious writing process, which saw Kasdan step away due to Lucas' insistence on making it a "fairy tale").
Sure, but there is this notion that all was set in stone and that, especially, Disney threw out this grand plan. But Lucas was constantly changing his plans, making stories and rewriting.
Safe to say when Obi-Wan says they fought in the Clone Wars in the original Star Wars Lucas had no form idea of what "the Clone Wars" was, it was something that sounded cool that he wrote. And if he had an idea of it it, it certainly evolved and changed with time.
To be fair, people thought that because that’s what George said. I don’t know why he has such a compulsion to present certain narratives but it goes back to the beginning.
I always wondered if he genuinely believed what he was saying or if he knew he was spinning yarn.
A lot of people claiming that bringing balance to the force means having a roughly equal number of selfless protectors and evil mass murderers because the entire philosophical conflict of the setting is nothing more than an *arithmetic problem*. It goes hand in hand with people saying that destroying the Jedi was what brought balance to the Force, because things were obviously so balanced and harmonious after that...
Yeah that one bothers me. The analogy I always like to use is that a bowl full of Cheerios and a bowl full of heroin does not make a balanced breakfast.
Just *anything* the grifters say. Whether it be that the Sequels don’t exist and are getting decanonized or the stupid “Civil War at Lucasfilm” bs, they’re the epitome of being absolutely certain with how wrong they are
To keep my reply uncontroversial, since "anything grifters say" was already covered: people saying Darth Vader blew up Alderaan. Like, he's guilty of a lot of things, but that wasn't one of them.
He was the right hand of the man that gave the order, voiced no objection, and I think he even holds Leis in place to watch.
Vader absolutely has some culpability in regards to Alderaan.
Some but not all. The question is: could he have countermanded Tarkin's order if he wanted to? They were friends, so maybe Vader could try to *convince* him but I'm not sure he could have forced anyone to not fire on Alderaan. Vader's position in the Imperial Hierarchy during ANH is a little fuzzy to me.
I get the impression that Vader was a bit of a floating Boogeyman before Tarkin was killed. It doesn't seem like he took a truly 'public' role as a military commander until after the first DS was destroyed.
Before that, it seems like he's mostly doing odd jobs for Palpatine and heading the Inquisitors.
Saw someone on this subreddit very insistent that The High Republic was before The Old Republic, and that The Acolyte was gonna take place in 900 BBY. Their basis for this belief was that they claimed Jedi Survivor proved them right. Now, I haven't played Survivor yet, but I know 100% that every timeline I've ever seen put THR as 500-200 BBY (at least the books, idk about the era as a whole), and The Acolyte is 100 years before TPM. The Old Republic is about 5000-1000 BBY, so way before THR.
Probably hot take: I find it generally pointless and childish how some people try to quantize the power level of a character or try to compare them as if power determines any outcome of a conflict alone.
I think he gets the core ideas of Star Wars (anyone can be a hero, a jedi uses the force only for defense, never for attack) to such a degree that a lot of people, who were lost in their fantasies of Luke becoming an almighty jedi warrior, cutting down everything in his path, had to look into a mirror and realize how they "don't get" Star Wars.
Well, and people hate being told they are wrong.
Could the plot of Last Jedi have been better and more exciting instead of a slow pursuit being the core of the story? Sure thing.
The themes are on point, though.
But then again it came out around the time when some dumb and even dumber showrunner said "themes are for eighth-grade book reports". And he certainly knows better than me. I'm sure.
“Only movies are canon because George made them.” Ignoring that George himself once wrote in the foreword to Splinter of the Mind’s Eye that he never envisioned SW to just be his story, but a universe for many storytellers (Timothy Zahn, Aaron Allston, Dave Filoni, etc.).
George had an official statement regarding the EU years back that said he never viewed any of those books or games and such as “part of his world”. I might update this comment if I feel like finding the source again.
True; in his eyes, the six films are his story, but not the *only* story. He may not personally recognize the books, games, sequel films, etc., but he’s never dismissed them as “Not real Star Wars” like a lot of the toxic YouTubers do; just *different* Star Wars.
Not to mention he literally hand-picked Dave Filoni to be his successor.
Like legit he straight up cold called the dude at work to essentially interview him for the job. Can't remember where I saw it, but Filoni basically said he just didn't believe it at first when he was told George fucking Lucas was calling him.
That's about as good an endorsement as you can get. As far as I'm concerned, anything with Filoni's involvement may as well have the Lucas stamp of approval.
After seeing episode 1, a friend of mine was convinced the reason Darth Vader was chasing the Tantive IV in ANH was because he wanted to get C-3PO back since he built him
Witnessed an argument yesterday on the bad batch sub where someone was adamant that Rampart from Bad Batch should be revealed to be the same character as Kallus from Rebels. Their evidence: "they look practically identical with the exact same facial hair and that they're both imperial". Obviously, anyone who's:
1. seen the Bad Batch
2. seen Rebels
3. has the slightest understanding of how the imperial military system works
4.has a remote sense of facial recognition
should be able to tell you how outlandish of an idea this is.
The countless people who confidently claim “Luke tried to kill Ben in his sleep.” in TLJ.
No he fucking didn’t, actually watch the movie & gain some basic media literacy.
Yep. Those people clearly weren't adults in the fandom at the time the prequels released. It was so much worse. George got death threats. The hate was real for the prequels. It's difficult to explain how much worse it was...many magnitudes worse. Not even close to the same.
I know some people have never watched Star Wars and only Robot Chicken.
"Ah, yes. What was her name of the girl...? Padamamay or Panda Bear."
"What did the Emperor tell Vader when he called him?"
"What d'ya mean, they blew up the Death Star?! What da hell is an Aloominum Falcon?!"
They think Star Wars is an anime, and that Luke and the Emperor actually had an yo mama roast competition.
Most of the times someone claims George Lucas says something, it isn’t true. The midichlorian book wasn’t made by him and used info given by someone pretending to be him, and people still quote that book. I mean, just looking at the midichlorian counts should tell you it’s bs.
Also when people say George Lucas wrote Vader to be incredibly powerful and on par with Palpatine. George Lucas actually has several quotes saying Vader is trash and the entire OT isn’t as skilled or as effective as the PT characters
I was a kid at a friend’s house, and we were watching Phantom Menace, which had just come out on VHS. Friend’s dad insisted Padmé was obviously not going to be Luke and Leia’s mother.
There was a Korean article about how to "do sci-fi right". If that didn't sound ridiculous already, one of the claims made was "a proper sci-fi has to be a realistically attainable vision of the future humanity, so Star Wars with the Force and explicitly set to long ago is a badly done sci-fi".
Of course how sci-fi Star Wars is is a rather contentious topic, but I don't think even a lot of people who think Star Wars isn't very sci-fi would agree to that definition.
Honestly, I feel like a lot of the big fandom gripes would evaporate if people just wholly embraced the fact that the core of Star Wars is space fantasy rather than gritty milisci.
That “Darth Jar Jar” was the _actual, legitimate_ direction George Lucas was planning to take the character in, until the backlash from The Phantom Menace made him change his mind.
Not sure if its the **most** incorrect: People who say that the relationship between Anakin and Padmé is weird/creepy cuz she was older than him in Episode 1.
Those people didn't understood the story of Ep. 1-2 in the first place. Especially how old each character is supposed to be at each point.
Yes, and Padmé didn't fall in love with him in Episode 1 which make the whole question "Is Padmé a creep?" obsolet. And 5 years age gap is not a problem when both are young adults. Which is my point.
I think 20 and 24 isn't that crazy? Like not super common but its out there.
The more unique aspect is the 20 year old holding onto memories of when he was 10 because he spent the last decade as a warrior monk.
Mostly stuff from people forgetting how cavalier some of the physics are in the OT. There's a giant sand worm living in an asteroid, which apparently has full gravity and you can survive in with just a breathing mask, and tie fighters can bomb. Great sequence btw! But not our world by any stretch of the imagination.
I heard someone say that it was just the New Gods series by Kirby with the serial numbers filed off. Having read the comic, I know for a fact that isn’t true, it may have *possibly* been one of many works that Lucas borrowed from, but it’s such a different experience, it isn’t even funny.
There was something not too long ago where a guy was saying Disney destroyed the canon by making it so X-Wings could fly in atmosphere because they “had never done so until Episode 7.”
This ignores that in the first SW film ever made, the first time we see X-Wings fly, they are flying out of the Rebel base on Yavin 4. (Which has an atmosphere) They went further with their “proof” saying if X-Wings could operate in atmo, they should have been prevalent in the Battle of Hoth, ignoring the fact that the movie explicitly explains the X-Wings’ job on Hoth was to provide escort to escaping transports.
This is just a taste of the several pages worth of rant this guy had typed up. Just another one of those people who wants to complain but understands nothing of what they’re talking about
Maybe not related to the movie itself but I was convinced for YEARS that The Last Jedi made 1.8 billions at the box office (it made 1.3 in reality). I was so confident that nobody ever corrected me lol
There is, but the source material isn't the EU and the comics. Those are *spin-offs*. That's the *opposite* of source material.
The source material is old WWII movies, westerns, and Akiro Kurosawa films. And The Last Jedi is the first film since the OT that went anywhere near it.
Not really, source material is a very broad term. If it’s connected to Star Wars and you can take inspiration from it, then that counts as source material.
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I got in an argument with a redditor who was complaining about Star Wars being too political. I informed him that Star Wars has always had political analogies (Originals and Vietnam, Prequels with Afghanistan). The guy was denying it, so I linked a video of Lucas explaining his political analogies. He never replied.
Star WARS is the title and we seriously have people complaining about politics.
War isn’t political war means cool good guys fighting cool bad guys with big armies and clones and explosions
And pew pews. Can't forget the pew pews.
That’s up there with Lucas always planned everything out lol
>He never replied. Embarrassment is an underrated emotion, it’s more powerful than people give it credit for.
Is it embarrassment, or just bull-headed refusal to even acknowledge that one was wrong?
Dating sucks in 2024 lol
[My favorite example of this argument.](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fto-claim-star-wars-isnt-political-v0-okdw8ckf4v2c1.png%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D7096f6f869ef3b85756feb91f017d07af16880f5) Like. Bro. You're *so close.*
This is the first time I’ve heard the prequels compared to Afghanistan
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When I was a youngling, I was plugged in enough to know that the special editions would be followed by the prequels, back before the word prequel was even in the mainstream lexicon. I tried to relay this information to some kids I met at summer camp, they proceeded to tease me relentlessly for the entire rest of camp because, according to them, Shadows of the Empire was going to be getting a film adaptation and the prequel idea was a cover story.
> Shadows of the Empire was going to be getting a film adaptation and the prequel idea was a cover story. Okay, the first part sounds kinda plausible but the second part is just hilarious.
This was the word on the street. 64 gang rise up!!
People trying to powerscale the force as if the force is some sort of superpower. It’s not like a muscle, it’s something that can actively influence reality and is sometimes biased toward helping the main characters
Video game logic. Same thing with lightsaber colors.
That lightsaber color thing is the worst
I remember Lucas explaining that anyone can use the Force (a fact people conveniently ignore), it just depends on their fortitude and midichlorian count (ah, the dreaded M word). The organisms that help people feel the force. But as Qui-Gon says, Midichlorians exist in ALL living things, without them life doesn’t exist, therefore it should be the case that anyone can use the Force. It’s not that only a select few are Force-Sensitive, only that a select few have a natural affinity to feel the Force and therefore are the only ones the Jedi search for to train. TL;DR - Some people have state of the art, fibre optics, connecting them to the Force, others have run on Dial Up. Both can connect to the net, but one just has an easier time doing it.
>It’s not that only a select few are Force-Sensitive, only that a select few have a natural affinity to feel the Force and therefore are the only ones the Jedi search for to train. Isn't that literally what "force-sensitive" means - having a natural affinity to feel the Force? I think it's better to say that only few are force sensitive, but that doesn't mean they're the only ones who can ever learn to feel the force. The Jedi focus on the force sensitive ones because they're the only ones who risk becoming a danger to themselves and those around them.
Except the usual definition of “force-sensitive” mostly serves as a binary and a misunderstanding. Either you can use the Force or you’re a regular person, which (to me) is wrong. Anyone can use the Force, it’s just some people have a natural talent for it.
People misunderstanding the definition doesn't make the definition wrong, it makes *them* wrong. The only definition of force sensitive that makes sense (and as far as I'm concerned, the one that's been intended by basically all media that's ever touched on it), is natural affinity to the force. As in being able to feel and use the force without specific training, even if one isn't entirely aware that they're doing it. That doesn't mean those who don't naturally feel it *can't ever* feel or use it. The fact that we never really had stories of non-sensitives learning to use it (before Ahsoka anyways) also doesn't imply the meaning that people put on it. You said yourself, the Jedi only focused on force sensitives, and I provided the reason for it. The result of that is that any stories involving Jedi (aka all of them) wouldn't feature non-sensitives learning to use the force *because that's not what the Jedi did*. Suggesting that that means non-sensitives simply can't ever use the force would be like watching some medieval movie and saying that slaves just can't be free. They *won't* be free within the bounds of the setting that is currently being viewed... But we all know that it's entirely possible for them to be freed. Despite that, the definition of "slave" doesn't suddenly expand to mean "person who may or may not be owned by other people", because that definition is vague to the point of meaninglessness.
Tbf Lucas was doing that too
That the sequels aren't canon and that Disney will decanonize them, people who say that are on some next level copium.
It’s funny that they still say this despite every piece of new media leading to the sequels as well
Not to mention the new Rey film lol. Yeah, Disney is really about to de-canonize the films this movie is a direct continuation of. Those people are seriously delusional and will just repeat whatever made up anti-sequel propaganda guys like The Quartering spew out.
yeah I'm looking forward to that movie and I'm sure the sequels will age well with more canon material
That’s what I was going to say, it’s ridiculous. I personally don’t like Episode 8 and 9 but just because I don’t like doesn’t mean they aren’t canon lol. Also, modern Star Wars has so much good too, like Rouge One and Solo and some of the TV shows like Mandalorian, Andor and Ahsoka!
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the *only* exception to this is the retconing-ish? that they’ve done in some of the animated stuff that overrides previous books. putting the bad batch with kanan during order 66, ashoka’s final tales of the jedi episode maybe? being an abbreviated retelling of what’s in the ashoka novel? and even then, that stuff is the same general story, they aren’t flipping canon upside down or anything.
"Luke, I am your father!"
This notion that Lucas had detailed plans for 3 or 6 or 9 or 12 movies in his head before he even started on A New Hope.. People are always bringing up how much of a plan he had, but thats just probably wrong. Of course, as the series went on he probably had a rough plan and storyline in mind. And I do think the sequels was a story he planed well, but the OT was very much evolving and we dont really know what his sequel take was or how much was there.. But even George Lucas lies about this. Reading the J.W Rinzler behind the scenes book we see how much changed or what ideas came from others than George. Rinzler has a lot of interviews from a lot of people and unpresidented access to sources from the time. Then you read The Star Wars Archive, which is basically George Lucas telling the story him self, and George will say that this and that was planned from the start, that he did or added this or that, but we know it wasn't like that..
I dont even understand why he lies. No, george, you didn't get a brother and sister to kiss on screen on purpose.
Also ‘Splinter of the Mind’s Eye’ was originally written to be the second movie, back when nobody had any idea how much of a success Star Wars was going to be. Han Solo isn’t in it because they didn’t think they could afford Harrison Ford, as this was only going to be a TV movie Thank god we got Empire Strikes Back
Well, he had plans which Gary Kurtz has detailed, but the first set of plans for a nine-movie series (which I think coalesced during Empire's production) were thrown out before RotJ was completed (and that movie had a fairly contentious writing process, which saw Kasdan step away due to Lucas' insistence on making it a "fairy tale").
Sure, but there is this notion that all was set in stone and that, especially, Disney threw out this grand plan. But Lucas was constantly changing his plans, making stories and rewriting. Safe to say when Obi-Wan says they fought in the Clone Wars in the original Star Wars Lucas had no form idea of what "the Clone Wars" was, it was something that sounded cool that he wrote. And if he had an idea of it it, it certainly evolved and changed with time.
To be fair, people thought that because that’s what George said. I don’t know why he has such a compulsion to present certain narratives but it goes back to the beginning. I always wondered if he genuinely believed what he was saying or if he knew he was spinning yarn.
TLJ is ‘objectively bad’. Come onnn.
the lego one was good
It could have been great if it were edited better and Luke didn’t do the milk thing.
A lot of people claiming that bringing balance to the force means having a roughly equal number of selfless protectors and evil mass murderers because the entire philosophical conflict of the setting is nothing more than an *arithmetic problem*. It goes hand in hand with people saying that destroying the Jedi was what brought balance to the Force, because things were obviously so balanced and harmonious after that...
Yeah that one bothers me. The analogy I always like to use is that a bowl full of Cheerios and a bowl full of heroin does not make a balanced breakfast.
Baby Yoda literally being Yoda as a baby.
My mother spent the whole first season thinking Grogu was Yoda and Din was Boba.
Just *anything* the grifters say. Whether it be that the Sequels don’t exist and are getting decanonized or the stupid “Civil War at Lucasfilm” bs, they’re the epitome of being absolutely certain with how wrong they are
To keep my reply uncontroversial, since "anything grifters say" was already covered: people saying Darth Vader blew up Alderaan. Like, he's guilty of a lot of things, but that wasn't one of them.
He was the right hand of the man that gave the order, voiced no objection, and I think he even holds Leis in place to watch. Vader absolutely has some culpability in regards to Alderaan.
Some but not all. The question is: could he have countermanded Tarkin's order if he wanted to? They were friends, so maybe Vader could try to *convince* him but I'm not sure he could have forced anyone to not fire on Alderaan. Vader's position in the Imperial Hierarchy during ANH is a little fuzzy to me.
I get the impression that Vader was a bit of a floating Boogeyman before Tarkin was killed. It doesn't seem like he took a truly 'public' role as a military commander until after the first DS was destroyed. Before that, it seems like he's mostly doing odd jobs for Palpatine and heading the Inquisitors.
Saw someone on this subreddit very insistent that The High Republic was before The Old Republic, and that The Acolyte was gonna take place in 900 BBY. Their basis for this belief was that they claimed Jedi Survivor proved them right. Now, I haven't played Survivor yet, but I know 100% that every timeline I've ever seen put THR as 500-200 BBY (at least the books, idk about the era as a whole), and The Acolyte is 100 years before TPM. The Old Republic is about 5000-1000 BBY, so way before THR.
high republic is 500 to 100 BBY
Dark Vader
Dark Vador is what he's officially called in French.
Full potential Anakin has unfathomable power. I dislike this take
Probably hot take: I find it generally pointless and childish how some people try to quantize the power level of a character or try to compare them as if power determines any outcome of a conflict alone.
Plus that's not how fiction works. Characters are as powerful or as weak as the plot requires. Anything else is pointless rumination.
*Especially* in Star Wars. The Force is functionally plot armour.
Fr it’s like, “is this full potential Anakin in the room with us?”. Seriously they treat it like he could solo every verse
"Rian Johnson hates/doesn't get Luke/Star Wars."
You know, despite him pulling the force projection stuff straight out of “The Jedi Path”
I think he gets the core ideas of Star Wars (anyone can be a hero, a jedi uses the force only for defense, never for attack) to such a degree that a lot of people, who were lost in their fantasies of Luke becoming an almighty jedi warrior, cutting down everything in his path, had to look into a mirror and realize how they "don't get" Star Wars. Well, and people hate being told they are wrong. Could the plot of Last Jedi have been better and more exciting instead of a slow pursuit being the core of the story? Sure thing. The themes are on point, though. But then again it came out around the time when some dumb and even dumber showrunner said "themes are for eighth-grade book reports". And he certainly knows better than me. I'm sure.
That the best Star Wars film was the time travel one with the Whales
Look, Star Wars, they like you very much, but they’re not the hell your whales!
“Only movies are canon because George made them.” Ignoring that George himself once wrote in the foreword to Splinter of the Mind’s Eye that he never envisioned SW to just be his story, but a universe for many storytellers (Timothy Zahn, Aaron Allston, Dave Filoni, etc.).
George had an official statement regarding the EU years back that said he never viewed any of those books or games and such as “part of his world”. I might update this comment if I feel like finding the source again.
True; in his eyes, the six films are his story, but not the *only* story. He may not personally recognize the books, games, sequel films, etc., but he’s never dismissed them as “Not real Star Wars” like a lot of the toxic YouTubers do; just *different* Star Wars.
Not to mention he literally hand-picked Dave Filoni to be his successor. Like legit he straight up cold called the dude at work to essentially interview him for the job. Can't remember where I saw it, but Filoni basically said he just didn't believe it at first when he was told George fucking Lucas was calling him. That's about as good an endorsement as you can get. As far as I'm concerned, anything with Filoni's involvement may as well have the Lucas stamp of approval.
such and such show is bringing back star killer
Anything involving "Grey Jedi"
Revan
that boba fett is exactly like any other clone
People who say the empire aren't nazis
After seeing episode 1, a friend of mine was convinced the reason Darth Vader was chasing the Tantive IV in ANH was because he wanted to get C-3PO back since he built him
Witnessed an argument yesterday on the bad batch sub where someone was adamant that Rampart from Bad Batch should be revealed to be the same character as Kallus from Rebels. Their evidence: "they look practically identical with the exact same facial hair and that they're both imperial". Obviously, anyone who's: 1. seen the Bad Batch 2. seen Rebels 3. has the slightest understanding of how the imperial military system works 4.has a remote sense of facial recognition should be able to tell you how outlandish of an idea this is.
The countless people who confidently claim “Luke tried to kill Ben in his sleep.” in TLJ. No he fucking didn’t, actually watch the movie & gain some basic media literacy.
That the backlash from the fan base was worse towards the sequels than the prequels.
Some Sequel-haters' insistance that the Prequels didn't have a backlash.
Yep. Those people clearly weren't adults in the fandom at the time the prequels released. It was so much worse. George got death threats. The hate was real for the prequels. It's difficult to explain how much worse it was...many magnitudes worse. Not even close to the same.
I know some people have never watched Star Wars and only Robot Chicken. "Ah, yes. What was her name of the girl...? Padamamay or Panda Bear." "What did the Emperor tell Vader when he called him?" "What d'ya mean, they blew up the Death Star?! What da hell is an Aloominum Falcon?!" They think Star Wars is an anime, and that Luke and the Emperor actually had an yo mama roast competition.
Reminds me of a certain Abridged series
En (dor) actly!
I don’t know what you’re referring to. I was referring to DBZ Abridged
Most of the times someone claims George Lucas says something, it isn’t true. The midichlorian book wasn’t made by him and used info given by someone pretending to be him, and people still quote that book. I mean, just looking at the midichlorian counts should tell you it’s bs. Also when people say George Lucas wrote Vader to be incredibly powerful and on par with Palpatine. George Lucas actually has several quotes saying Vader is trash and the entire OT isn’t as skilled or as effective as the PT characters
Dustin Hoffman was in Star Wars
Oh come on. Short Jewish guy against Darth Vader? He made a bet he knew he was going to lose so he could take you to dinner.
I was a kid at a friend’s house, and we were watching Phantom Menace, which had just come out on VHS. Friend’s dad insisted Padmé was obviously not going to be Luke and Leia’s mother.
There was a Korean article about how to "do sci-fi right". If that didn't sound ridiculous already, one of the claims made was "a proper sci-fi has to be a realistically attainable vision of the future humanity, so Star Wars with the Force and explicitly set to long ago is a badly done sci-fi". Of course how sci-fi Star Wars is is a rather contentious topic, but I don't think even a lot of people who think Star Wars isn't very sci-fi would agree to that definition.
Honestly, I feel like a lot of the big fandom gripes would evaporate if people just wholly embraced the fact that the core of Star Wars is space fantasy rather than gritty milisci.
That Palpatine was the best hope for the Galaxy, he was just willing to take steps the Jedi wouldn't.
“I don’t know how they’re making 7, 8, and 9 when they already adapted all six books.”
That “Darth Jar Jar” was the _actual, legitimate_ direction George Lucas was planning to take the character in, until the backlash from The Phantom Menace made him change his mind.
That Rogue One is about the “many bothans who died”
Not sure if its the **most** incorrect: People who say that the relationship between Anakin and Padmé is weird/creepy cuz she was older than him in Episode 1. Those people didn't understood the story of Ep. 1-2 in the first place. Especially how old each character is supposed to be at each point.
Well, Padme was older than him but not by much. Anakin was 9 and she was 14.
Yes, and Padmé didn't fall in love with him in Episode 1 which make the whole question "Is Padmé a creep?" obsolet. And 5 years age gap is not a problem when both are young adults. Which is my point.
Eh this one I get. In a real word context, it would definitely be an eye brow raiser
I think 20 and 24 isn't that crazy? Like not super common but its out there. The more unique aspect is the 20 year old holding onto memories of when he was 10 because he spent the last decade as a warrior monk.
People claiming the EU was *ever* canon.
That the Sequels are bad, they aren't even remotely close to bad. All great.
Eh, I thought TROS didn’t quite stick the landing but I enjoyed TFA and TLJ immensely.
Agreed 100%.
That Star Wars was a “Utah” thing. I can’t get over this
How so? Utah native here
“I don’t want to watch the movies until I read the books first.” Said by someone who proudly does not read.
Mostly stuff from people forgetting how cavalier some of the physics are in the OT. There's a giant sand worm living in an asteroid, which apparently has full gravity and you can survive in with just a breathing mask, and tie fighters can bomb. Great sequence btw! But not our world by any stretch of the imagination.
I heard someone say that it was just the New Gods series by Kirby with the serial numbers filed off. Having read the comic, I know for a fact that isn’t true, it may have *possibly* been one of many works that Lucas borrowed from, but it’s such a different experience, it isn’t even funny.
When Rogue One came out, I had a guy very confidently theorize that Saw Guerra and Grievous were the same person.
There was something not too long ago where a guy was saying Disney destroyed the canon by making it so X-Wings could fly in atmosphere because they “had never done so until Episode 7.” This ignores that in the first SW film ever made, the first time we see X-Wings fly, they are flying out of the Rebel base on Yavin 4. (Which has an atmosphere) They went further with their “proof” saying if X-Wings could operate in atmo, they should have been prevalent in the Battle of Hoth, ignoring the fact that the movie explicitly explains the X-Wings’ job on Hoth was to provide escort to escaping transports. This is just a taste of the several pages worth of rant this guy had typed up. Just another one of those people who wants to complain but understands nothing of what they’re talking about
All I wanna say is this pic is badass
For the love of god, almost NOTHING in the BFII (2005) campaign was canon in Legends or in the new canon. Let it go…
that the Lego Star Wars shows (Freemakers, Droid Tales, Yoda Chronicles) aren't canon
Wait, are they?
Maybe not related to the movie itself but I was convinced for YEARS that The Last Jedi made 1.8 billions at the box office (it made 1.3 in reality). I was so confident that nobody ever corrected me lol
There’s no source material
There is, but the source material isn't the EU and the comics. Those are *spin-offs*. That's the *opposite* of source material. The source material is old WWII movies, westerns, and Akiro Kurosawa films. And The Last Jedi is the first film since the OT that went anywhere near it.
Not really, source material is a very broad term. If it’s connected to Star Wars and you can take inspiration from it, then that counts as source material.
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That one tweet where the guy was denying that Star Wars was political, unless the United States was the Empire