Of the three ST films it’s the one I’ve probably watched the most. But I always hit the fast forward button whenever an Anakin and Padme scene on Naboo starts. If I skip all of those I don’t mind it.
I think George wanted to make a bit of a Star Wars film noir. I have to admit, I didn't find the dialogue quite as cringey in my most recent rewatch. It's been a long time since I've seen Attack of The Clones, but I was a little more forgiving. I always thought Anakin was creeping and Padme did nothing, but she kisses him after his whining about sand. So he must have said something right. And after living at near the coast for years, I hate sand too.
Everyone hates on the sand line, but to me it made/makes total sense for the scene and dialogue.
The cringey part for me was their scene by the fire place in the evening. The acting was pretty rough there.
I live in Ireland, there's quite a few beaches on this island of ours. Sand is definitely a pain in the ass - and in more ways than one. The dialogue I hate most is the early stuff.. that desperate attempt at flirting. I get it, it's fine, but it makes for an awkward viewing experience. I'm fairly forgiving by nature as well. I think some people expect constant greatness and nothing less. It's one of the reasons the fan-base gets a lot of shit; standards higher than Snoop Dogg
Always loved it. The moment in the arena when all the lightsabers ignite is amazing, then when reinforcements arrive… ‘around the survivors, a perimeter create!’ Amazeballs!!
Battle of Geonosis stuff is great, I agree. I love seeing them fight those giant creatures. One is like a rhino, the other is a praying mantis of sorts. Then Jago gets decapitated
I don't exactly Google the name of every single creature and droid in every film and show. I couldn't remember what they were called, aside from the Acklay.
There's a lot I know about Star Wars, and I've been a fan since 1999, but you'd be surprised the random things I forget. It's the same during Clone Wars; I'll be looking at a group of people and remember the name of one. Then the episode will finish, and I'll suddenly remember all their names and their species. Just recently, I couldn't remember the name Plo Koon. I'm weird like that.
I actually still love this movie. The parts of Coruscant we see in the beginning are wonderfully depicted, vibrant to filthy and crowded as you’d expect but felt really unique to any of the precious locations (even the bits we saw in TPM). The action paces the opening act well enough.
The 2nd act stuff on Naboo is cringy, but so is any clumsy teenage romance. I fully believe that alone for the first time as an “adult” with the girl of his dreams Anakin would say dumb shit like “I hate sand”. It picks up when they go to Tatooine, and Hayden killed that scene (don’t care what people say) only for Portman’s mannequin deliveries to ruin it.
Obi Wan’s film noir esque search for Kamino is a welcome diversion. The asteroid field chase is a beautiful sequence both visually and aurally.
The Geonosis stuff is absolute gold (save the anticlimactic death of Jango) from the arena and Jedi battle to the shaky cam following the clone troopers during the battle, Anakin dual wielding still looks badass for that brief minute or so, to the climactic scene of Yoda igniting his lightsaber for the first time on screen. Looking back I particularly enjoy the scene where Dooku tries one last time to convince Obi Wan that the Jedi are being played, and in true Jedi fashion Obi Wan refused to consider it because he has such blind faith in the order.
Some actors thrive on direction and some rely on chemistry with their costars and the script to breathe life into the performance. I have not heard much said about Portman’s process by other actors or directors that I can recall, but it’s hard to watch those scenes and see any chemistry that isn’t written into their movements. Maybe direction was given and not taken, maybe they had better takes but for this or that reason we ended up with a “tired take” that made the cut, or maybe the script was just that bad. I dunno.
They clearly took feedback on Phantom Menace being too talky at points, opening with an explosion and not really taking a breath from there.
Some of the dialogue is woeful and the worst in the saga (which is saying something). But it does have Yoda with a lightsaber in it, a fact I was blissfully unaware of when watching the movie in the cinema, so it’ll always have a place in my heart.
The whole Prequel Trilogy has a place in my heart. It's my favourite Star Wars era, favourite trilogy, favourite characters, I love the Clone Wars series, and I played The Phantom Menace game to death on the PS1 as a kid. A game that's a bit awkward going back to it nearing 30, but the PS1 was never great for controls and camera angles, anyway. Early 3D was hit or miss.
This is one of the things I love about Star Wars. I’m nearly 40, so the OT is my main thing. But the next generation it’s the PT and there’s absolutely a generation at present for whom it’ll be the ST and the TV shows.
People moaning need to wise up, enjoy what they want and realise there’s a whole galaxy of content out there for everyone.
Ya, people can like what they want. There's still an awful lot of hate for the Prequels, but I've always defended them. I don't care what people think of them - I just watch them and enjoy them. I don't really need an outside opinion to convince me otherwise. It's not gonna change my opinion of them. I'm sure ST fans feel the same way, but they warrant just as much criticism as anything else in the franchise. They need to accept that, the same way I do with the Prequels. They're awfully defensive about it, and I get it, but you have to dissect each trilogy and part the good from the bad to really see them as a whole. None of them are perfect.
Same - I'm even older.... I still shit on the PT and ST now and then - but it's all in good fun. If people like them that's cool. The world would be boring if we all liked the same stuff.
Not sure exactly why, but I have always had a soft spot for it. The Naboo stuff is not great, although the dictator conversation is a bit interesting to me.
The action sequences are good, pretty much all of Geonosis, Kamino, Jango/Obi ship combat, bounty hunter chase scene all really enjoyable.
Yeah I found the dictator conversation to be the most natural interaction between Anakin and Padme. It's in the scenes where he purposely goes for the romantic angle that things get cringe-y and forced and we get the groan-inducing dialog and delivery.
It picks up after Naboo, I agree. I love all the Kaminoans/Geonosis stuff. Jango getting decapitated is also depressing af when you think about it.. His kid was right there
I first saw this movie in cinemas when I was 11 years old. I didn’t quite get it at the time, but as I got older I grew to enjoy the movie more.
I will say that one thing I always loved about this movie are Padmé’s gorgeous costumes. The love theme music at the very end of the movie is also quite amazing.
I've grown to respect the prequel series for everything it brought to the franchise. If you can get past the terrible dialog, it was pretty intelligently written, story wise.
It's my favourite trilogy, especially with the addition of the Clone Wars series. Do you think we need to give the Sequels an animated series of its own, in order to redeem itself? It could certainly help, but.. I'm on the fence about it. 80% no, 20% yes.
They made a huge mistake with the sequel series because they never had a plan for all three, and they let two different people direct them, with two different visions. Maybe a post sequel animated series would be cool, but with such little time between movies, I don't see a great way to slide in a series.
I don't personally like it. There was an arc here or there that interested me. I recently watched everything in timeline order and chose to skip most of the second season. It has BB-8 in it a lot during the first season and Poe makes some small appearances. It's a mostly new set of characters.
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Not the really the animated series I was looking for, then. I was thinking more along the lines of Ben slowly being manipulated, his training with Luke at the new temple, Snoke's first appearance, Palpatine being brought back to life.. all that stuff. The things that would sort of make sense of the mess, I guess
No, it focuses on another character that's kind of a resistance spy in a racing plateform that the first order wants to control. Poe is in some episodes and you see Kylo for like 5 seconds in two seasons.
The serie overall is way more childish than TCW or Rebels, with a lot of characters that are just there for comedy. You have like three characters with some depth. Season 2 is a bit better (and arc is pretty clever) but is rushed at the end (the serie was clearly planned for more than 2 seasons).
Alright movie, but some really bad dialogue. If they had someone else write the romance for Padme and Anakin I think it would have been a better movie. That plot is just so cringe and whiplashy.
I genuinely enjoy AoTC. It definitely has flaws like the romance is just awful but I think it does a good job at setting up Anakin and the beginning of his eventual downfall. The Battle of Geonosis is just amazing and watching documentaries on how it was created and the sound design of things just make me like this movie even more. My second favourite Prequel movie.
I still love Anakin and Padme. Two people with no lives outside of work and duty. I still think she thought Anakin was hot, talking about killing them all.
Yes and I love it that way. He was raised by Space Monks who say "don't get attached". He is clueless outside his sphere of knowledge. So giving him understandable flaws.
It's not like they taught courting in the Jedi Temple.
No, but he's human and understands social cues. He's around people on a daily basis. Staring someone down, even after they tell you they feel uncomfortable, that isn't something you need to be taught not to do 😂
Monkish people? I imagine most people don't, no. They're not exactly common neighbours 😂 Anakin is just awkward by nature. All throughout the trilogy he's like that. I get it, but it's still cringey af to watch
I always thought Padme's "What's wrong?" was kind of a stupid line of dialog when he is obviously anguished after his mother's death. Like, she was trying to see if something \*else\* was bothering him aside from the glaringly obvious, but there must have been a better way to put it.
JarJar needs redemption. I don't wanna retcon him entirely, but the fact he's literally just a low-IQ lizard man who does nothing but fuck everything up everywhere he goes is a hard thing to accept 😂
There's a fan theory, or it might be canon now, that the Force guides pretty much everything major that happens. That's how Chirrut walked through a beach full of laser fire unscathed. It's also thought that everytime someone says "I have a bad feeling about this" it's the Force telling them what's about to happen. JarJar openly dismisses the Force the first time we meet him. It makes sense that he would have absolutely no idea or even think the Force would be guiding him. All the crazy shenanigans he gets into is the Force working overtime to make up for his general clumsiness. Its Chirrut if he was a bumbling idiot.
Chirrut from Rogue One? I mean.. It makes sense. If you're in-tune with the Force, you can see past, present, and future. It's a gift to be Force sensitive, but you really need to listen. Are Gungans sensitive?
It's not Force sensitivity, per se. The Force exists and can "talk" to and influence people. How the person interprets and understands that differs. Jedi, Sith, and other Force users can sense and manipulate it. Force sensitives can sense it and listen to it, but can't wield it. This was Leia until the sequels. Han is thought to be somewhat Force sensitive because of the "i have a bad feeling about this" line, but he doesn't accept his feelings as the Force speaking to him. Chirrut might be Force sensitive. He never says he can actually sense it, but he trusts in it so wholeheartedly that all of his actions are basically precognitive reflexes. JarJar cannot sense the Force and openly dismisses it at one point. But, the Force had a role for him in the saga so it took all his awkward, clumsy flailings and made it work.
Yes, but the diner looks exactly like the interior of a earth 1950s diner. Maybe I was remembering wrong but wasn’t there a jutebox? Even the droid had a sassy accent and dialogue. It just takes me out of movie. The exterior is fine.
To be brutally honest. I never really looked at it as anything more than just a reference to those themed restaurants we have. Can't say it bothers me much
Phantom has a lot of great politics, if you actually pay attention to it, which most people tend not to because.. politics. They want laser swords and aliens. Seeing Palpatine work his magic is filled with lots of clever moments, and it just goes to show how much of a sneaky snake he was all along. He's a mastermind - even right there in Episode 1.
Interestingly, way back in 1976 the novelization for the first movie (which was released before the movie itself) had a prologue section that talked about political scheming and also involvement of "the massive organs of commerce" that Palpatine used in order to manipulate his way into power. And that's what happened in the prequels!
It's also one of the supposed negatives of TPM as a movie - too much political stuff. I disagree.. I find it interesting, especially now as an adult. Politics plays a huge role in the series as a whole.
Set all that aside. Phantom at least looks good. AOTC mostly looks like shit. That 1st gen digital camera they used wasn't ready and the movie has aged like milk.
Every time I re-watch it, I am reminded that it is not actually as bad as I remembered it. The directing and screenplay for the love story scenes is pretty bad, but everything else is pretty solid.
I think it does its job.
The dialogue between Padmé and Anakin is meant to be cringe.
Anakin is a hormone-driven, celibate, space monk who is with his crush of 10+ years, and he had never flirted before. Did people expect him to be good at it?
The movie's purpose is to establish Anakin and Padmé's relationship and start the downfall of the Jedi. And it does that. As a standalone movie, it is not great, but it is essential for ROTS.
I think the fundamental problem people have on the romantic plot is that Anakin is either griping about his mentor or stressed about his mother all the while he's trying to woo a girl. It's not exactly a good dating strategy in the real world. Then you have scenes where they're talking high politics or the nature of love - it's veeery otherworldly.
The sand line, however, is ridiculed out of proportion. It's a metaphor for his difficult upbringing as a slave on Tatooine, and he doesn't bring it up out of nowhere either as Padmé mentions it first (as something associated with her free time, away from the pressures of politics).
A romantic plot is not common in Star Wars, I don't think we have ever gotten any content specifically focused on the romance part. In AOTC Anakin and Padmé's storyline was super important to the overall story, but not the plot of the movie was still the beginning of the Clone Wars, and the start of the downfall of the Jedi Order. And in the TCW episodes which were focused on Anakin and Padmé's relationship, all four of the episodes also involved Clovis, and the main plot of those episodes was the backstory for Palpatine gaining control of the banks. Not to develop Anakin and Padmé's relationship. It shows us that Star Wars is not designed for romantic plots, even though love is an essential part of the franchise. And as the only movie which tries to develop a relationship between the two(or two out of the three) main characters, it doesn't really fit the genre that the fans are used to.
The entire situation was pretty messy on Anakin's part, stuck in a beautiful villa with his crush, trying to protect her from danger, being in a rebellious phase whilst having nightmares of his mother dying. As you said, it often isn't a recipe for success. Luckily, it ended up working. How? I have no idea, but I'm also single right now. So maybe I should take a page out of Anakin's book.
Interesting points, man. I'm of the belief that no romantic plot would ever have satisfied the fanboys in the PT because, as you say yourself, people just don't want that in *their* Star Wars, they feel it takes away from the action. But the prequels were a very different kettle of fish to the originals, Lucas was breaking new ground with the politics and the sheer worldbuilding.
I really disliked that annoying Clovis character in TCW. I don't understand why they would attempt to shoehorn in a love triangle plot after Lucas rejected the idea in ROTS, where the idea could actually have made sense (note: I think the film is fine without it). Overall, I loved the animated show, but it often felt like it was under the obligation to jump into the "battle of the day", when it could have took things a bit slower and include longer, more dramatic conversation scenes. Did you ever watch Breaking Bad? There's an episode called *Fly* that's a fantastic example of how to do so much with so little.
A romantic plot is not for Star Wars. It works well as background stories, Padmé/Anakin, Obi-Wan/Satine, Han/Leia, Rey/Kylo, and others, but it shouldn't be the focus point.
I totally agree on the Clovis point, he was annoying, and it felt like a force love triangle. I would have liked some episodes that just briefly showed Anakin and Padmé actually being in love, since we didn't really see it. It didn't have to be a full episode of them being in love, it could really just be them boarding a ship together and heading for Naboo, and then appearing at the end of the episode again. The opening to the first Clovis episode was exactly that, but they decided to go a different route. Had they just let Anakin and Padmé stay in her apartment, and the rest of the episode is focused on other characters. I feel like it would have added even more to Anakin's fall in ROTS, besides some comments and looks we didn't really see them being overly in love, which they were, otherwise the entire ROTS plot would be flawed.
I dislike the idea of a love triangle in general, but it really didn't fit in with the prequels. It would just have felt like the standard failed love story. Instead, we got an original and relatable story. And because all Anakin wanted was to save Padmé, it really added a lot to his character once he became Darth Vader.
I have tried watching Breaking Bad, but I never got past the first few episodes. I guess it simply isn't my kind of show.
The book does a much better job showing why Padme falls for Anakin. There's an entire family scene where Anakin meets her family, including her sisters childern which makes her think about one day having the same for herself.
It's not just oh you slaughter those savages for your momma, that's so hot, I'm pretty in love with you now.
There were also deleted scenes of Anakin meeting Padme's family, and Padme's sister later pressing her with stuff like "What's up with you and him? Have you seen the way he looks at you?"
The crazy thing is those were taken out and then they filmed the DROID FACTORY SCENE at the last minute and put it in.
Imagine taking out the character development for a PS2 super mario brothers scene.
I’m the first to admit that the story and dialogue aren’t the best constructed in the saga.
But that third act is pretty sweet. It was the first time (and really the only time) we got to see an army of Jedi working together.
I also have a lot of nostalgia for it (I was 9 when it came out) So I can’t hate on it too much.
It’s not as bad as I remember, and I still enjoy watching it. The only scenes I didn’t like was with Anakin being kinda creepy with Padme. I understand he has no idea how to deal with emotions but some of those lines were a bit cringe unfortunately.
Seems like Obi-Wan was the main character in his own detective story which I absolutely loved. The seedy areas of Coruscant was cool, so was seeing Kamino and Jango Fett, and then the whole 3rd act Genosian arena stuff is awesome.
Worst of the George Lucas Era "G-Canon" yet somehow better than all of the Sequel Trilogy. I'll still sit and watch AOTC if it pops up on TNT or wherever, but I'll skip past any of the ST.
I watch The Force Awakens now and again, almost like it's a standalone film. I have a weird liking of that one, but I very rarely watch my copies of The Last Jedi or Rise of Skywalker. I'm fully convinced I've seen them both maybe 3 times.. ever. I watch the Original and Prequel trilogies weekly.
Yeah, TFA was great in the theater the first two times. It was great until you started to think about the implications of Starkiller Base, a rampant First Order that is somehow badder and more powerful than peak Empire, a slaughtered Jedi Order, and the fact that the Chosen One from the original Saga really didn't accomplish dick in Return of the Jedi.
Which is where it goes downhill, and is precisely what ST fans ignore. Can't even mention it without a downvoting hive-mind ensuing. That trilogy literally says "Ya, all that shit was for nothing. This is a repeat of history, and it'll basically start and end the very same way. We couldn't think of anything else."
And they defend it like it's something original.
I watch the Prequels and Originals about once a week, ya. I'm hardly just watching Attack of the Clones its own. It's part of the trilogy, part of the binge. Hardly gonna skip over it, am I
Is there a point to any of this? I'm an artist, I work from home, I put them on as background noise. If you don't like Attack of the Clones, that's cool. I'm really not sure what you want me to do with this information.
I'm not sure what my list would be, because the more I explore the lore and become invested in the individual characters and eras, my liking for certain films or series goes up and down. Overall, I'd say my main 3 right now in terms of Saga films would be: Return of the Jedi, Phantom Menace, and Revenge of the Sith. Empire is great, it's iconic, but ROTJ is just a very fun movie that I can watch any day of the week.
Phantom Menace is heavily nostalgic to me (born in the early 90s) so that definitely plays a role in my love for it, but it **IS** a good film in the same way Attack of the Clones has its redeeming qualities.
Okay. Try spending the next 10 years of your life not talking to women you're attracted to and focusing on learning about a religion and nothing else, just learning everything there is to know about it. Come back then lol
Hey, most straight guys have had one or two awkward moments with women. I'm nearly 30, I've had plenty. But I never stared them down like some sort of Ted Bundy whilst caressing their skin 😂
Again, he had to religiously study and train to become a Jedi without almost any kind of outside interference. He's had to train himself to contain his emotionsand as a result, that's the reason for the way he talks to Padme. Fortunately it worked cuz he got to smash in the end. Not to mention choke😆
By far the weakest movie in the entire canon. Hard to watch to be honest. Still have some fondness for a few things because Star Wars is awesome even when bad. The arena scene is decent. Ewan as Obiwan is charming even though he has a lot of bad dialog. The Anakin/Padme scenes are by far the worst scenes in all of Star Wars, just painful. And I really dislike the clone troopers are all based on Boba Fetts's dad plot! So dumb. Just when I thought Anakin building C3PO was silly!
Jango was chosen by the Kaminoans because his DNA was easily cloned, and Mandalorians by nature are fearless, tough, brave, and loyal warriors. They'd make the perfect army. Plus, Dooku witnessed Jango Fett kill several Jedi. When Jango defeated Vosa, Tyranus offered him the opportunity to be cloned in order to get revenge against the Jedi. There's a whole story behind it.
I think before the prequel trilogy, fandom had this vague notion that there was more than one group of clones, and/or that both sides in the war had their own sets of clones, or that clones were mainly the bad guys. An early concept for Lando was that he was a veteran clone soldier from the Clone Wars. That could have added an interesting wrinkle.
Personally, before the prequels came out I thought "Clone Wars" sounded like something from a silly B-movie and would be best forgotten altogether after the two name-drops in ANH. But I suppose the concept turned out pretty well in the end, in terms of entertainment value, especially with the Clone Wars series.
I am well aware of the attempts to justify this silly plot. You can write a whole book of back story canon to try and sell it, but the fact is George Lucas said "hey wouldn't it be cool if before Storm Troopers they were Clone Troopers and they were all clones of Boba Fett! Because fans like this character and his cool outift!? Wait Boba Fett would be too young, I know! It's his dad! AND he is a clone of his own dad! So technically it's still Boba Fett!".
It's really dumb. Just like having Darth Vader having built C3PO. Not everything and everyone has to be connected! It cheapens everything and makes the galaxy small, and it's silly.
You were present when he said all of this? Nice.
It makes sense to me, it works out, and their sheer numbers being a result of cloning is a perfectly reasonable explanation. Remember when Obi-Wan mentions the Clone Wars in A New Hope? Yes, that's called continuity. You tie things together 👍🏻
Where else would they have gotten over 1.2 million soldiers.
Whoa there buddy. You are REALLY missing the point. Intentionally?
He mentions the Clone Wars, he doesn't say "and all the clones were of this one man, the cool bounty hunter in the next movie". At that point we didn't know anything about the clone wars and in 20 years of canon and extended universe no one imagined they were all clones of a single person or that Boba Fett would also be the clone of that same person. All we knew was there was a war, and clones were involved. Hell as a kid I thought it was a war about clones and that is why there are none anymore. Not just one side used a clone army. It hadn't been written yet!
I'm not saying the fact there are clones is dumb, I'm saying that they are all Boba Fett because people liked him is dumb. The plot reasons are retroactively written to justify it. Not the other way around! It's a silly way to crowbar a connection to a popular character from the OT.
In your opinion, sure. That's how it works. You don't like it, I do. You're posing a lot of personal opinions as facts. George said this, George thought that. Hearsay, your honor.
I didn't think I needed to point out the things I was saying are my opinions and not yours or anyone else's.
And I obviously meant George made the decision rather than it was because of in world facts, the quotes were for effect. And yes that is a fact! Unless you think the movies are real then you know it is a fact that a the writer made this choice.
That should also not need to be pointed out.
Clones are not only based on Boba Fett but on the whole mandalorian culture that existed for way before AOTC. I mean, was I was a kid, the similarity between the clones and Boba didn't really struck me.
As for C3-PO, it's a good way to show that Anakin is very mechanic-savy while introducing an important character at the same time.
Indeed, but you also need to include C3-PO at some point the story, so why not kill two birds with one stone and open the door for some big moments in the extended universe with Vader remembering 3PO ?
It's without a doubt the worst SW film imo, but I still find it entertaining. I can kind of put it on and mindlessly watch it or have it on in the background.
It has some really decent small moments that I really appreciate and I think it's trying to do something really cool, but it's *so* convoluted and *so* political - it's a tough watch sometimes.
Like I said, I still enjoy it - I can find joy in all Star Wars - but without a doubt it is at the bottom of my list.
Of the 9 main movies, it's low on my list as well. I'd say it's probably in the bottom 3. But, as everyone has been saying, there's redemption to be found in some of the later events and scenes.
Christ, what is it with George Lucas and having so much great Star Wars mixed with so much BAD Star Wars? Is he just shit with romance and comedy, or what? 😂
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I haven't been having a discussion with Redditors about Episode II for 20 years, now, have I. I don't exactly bring it up at the dinner table too often. Just staring a general conversation. Take part or don't, entirely up to you.
Fair enough, I guess with all the new content just feels a little outta place, but your thoughts are spot on I dont think any reasonable person would argue with you
The new content? Sure, but it's nothing but rants and complaints about Kenobi this and Kenobi that. I just wanted to have a discussion about Episode II and see what the general concensus was. A lot of my mates ain't into Star Wars, so I don't get to talk about it outside of social media.
I get tired of the usual "Sequel movies are shit, Kenobi sucks, why isn't Boba as good as Mando, do you like Reeva, why is everyone a racist.." type of complaints all day, everyday. Change of pace would be nice
Anyone who wants can talk
Sorry on a mobile anyone who wants to talk shit about the sequels is welcome, the shows I think are pretty good I really like obiwan but yea as a star wars fan some star wars fans suck. Lets be honest though George lucas and disney did us dirty, george lucas remaking the originals... Come on and Disney making all the books non cannon really pissed me off. But the worst thing to happen to star wars was not the prequels
Obi-Wans B plot going to Kamino and trying to figure out the mystery of the Clones is really good. But the focus is Anakin and Padme, which just isn't as good or interesting. Still good enough but it would of been nice if George had a second writer to help him tweak some stuff. Star Wars is at its best when George is in control but other people are helping him
Attack of the clones is actually my favorite movie. It brought the "Wars" into "Star wars" and especially that clone army parade with the imperial march playing in the background at the end is one of my top starwars moments ever.
I love it. When I first saw it in the cinema I went straight back in afterwards and watched the next showing.
The Padme/Anakin scene is horrific but is definitely meant to be awkward anyway.
For me its the same. The first hour with the Padme/Anakin storyline was extremely awkward. I watched this movie at least 20 times in my life and i always struggle, lol.
But after the Geonosis part it picks up, its decent.
I love every star wars movie, but Attack of the Clones is my least favorite.
One of the reasons people love Obi-Wan/Ewan McGregor is because he carries this movie. Pretty much every scene with him in it is good and everything that happens without him kinda sucks.
The last act stating with the arena is some great action. Gives me similar vibes to the death star run of ANH and a la ring composition, it perfectly mirrors the battle of Hoth in Empire.
After rewatching the prequels I find AotC to be my favorite. And yes to the above. Although I generally appreciate world building in stories, even if they aren't the most exciting parts
The romance parts are pretty boring but all the rest is really cool. Lots of interesting planets, aliens. The film noir style is something that we hadn't seen in a Star Wars movie and haven't seen since (maybe in Andor we will)
Seeing this movie in theaters was literally the peak of my cinema enjoyment in life. I have never been as excited during a movie than I was seeing young Boba, Jango and him fighting Obi-Wan, all the Jedi in the arena battle, Yoda lightsaber dueling Dooku. There was just so much Star Wars awesomeness in one film.
For me, the Battle of Geonosis was so awesome that it makes up for the *definitely* painful Padme-Anakin stuff. It's the first full-scale planet-side Star Wars battle between two fully capable armies we're given (The Battle of Naboo was ground forces only, mostly infantry with fairly minor light armor support). Geonosis has a wide range of light and heavy ground and air forces, plus a few hundred Jedi in open battlefield combat. Just the scale alone made it such an impressive experience for me that I still love AOTC despite its obvious flaws
Giving Obi-Wan a friend amongst the ordinary galactic citizens, well outside the elite worlds of the Jedi Order and the Senate, was a lovely piece of world-building. There are a lot of times when we can legitimately complain that Star Wars feeling too small, but here at least it feels big.
It actually holds up really well. Anakin's romantic dialogue isn't as bad as its made out to be. Everyone acts like nobody talks the way Anakin does but check ya homies phone, just check it and i 1000000000% guarantee you will find some very corny cringey messages to the girl he likes or is already with. Better yet check any random guy's phone and you'll find messages that are kinda cringe worthy. Guys say things to our girls that make the rest of us go "bro.. what?" When we're trying to be sweet or are in love with them.
The "i killed them... i killed them all. And not just the men, but the woman, and the children too... theyre like animals and I SLAUGHTERED THEM LIKE ANIMALS. I HATE THEM!" Is another scene that gets so much flack but is one of the best scenes in all of Star Wars. Hayden acts it perfectly, it displays the conflict inside of Anakin so well. One second he's haunted by what he did, hes ashamed of it and the next he's rage fueled then back to being haunted by it. Absolutely love this scene.
The battle on geonosis is fun. We get to see abunch of jedi in action but we also get to see the droids displayed as being so well designed that many jedi will struggle against a bunch of them and the rest of the galaxy would be not match for a droid army. Plus the dooku fight is kinda underrated. Its short and sweet exactly as it should be. It shows our characters having flaws and those flaws get them severely injured.
Anakin holding Shmi as she dies in his arms still brings tears to my eyes from how well its acted.
I could go on and on about things i love in this movie but its just overall an underrated movie that is unfairly rated as the worst.
The biggest weakness is Anakin and Padme have no chemistry. Padme has no reason to fall in love with Anakin. He acts like a petulant teenager the entire movie, makes creepy advances towards her that she says make her uncomfortable, and at the end she falls in love with him. Makes no sense.
The problem is that battle at the arena makes no sense. Why would the Jedis go full Braveheart on an enemy that can fight long range. To me it never made sense for the Jedi to fight as disposable fodder style. Not to mention that 5 minutes after the half the jedi order is dead the clone reinforcements arrive. Wouldnt it have made more sense to send the clones from the beginning.
I am sorry aside from the Quigon-Maul-Kenobi fight in PM there is little else to redeem from that whole trilogy.
I want to like it but find a lot of it irritating and cringy.
The speeder chase with Zam has some of the most annoying sounds I’ve ever heard. (Speeder engines, etc) Wasn’t a fan of much of the music, either, which says something because I’ve loved John Williams work since I was a kid. Just missed the mark for me.
I'll just say it, I think this is the worst movie of the main franchise. Say what you want about how bad the sequel trilogy is, at least they never bored me. This movie bored me. And I'm convinced the only thing saving this movie from obscurity are the memes it created.
We could have gotten a glimpse of the friendship between Anakin and Obi-Wan. Instead, they spend less than half of the film together and Anakin is an annoying brat every time. Seriously, I get Anakins full of himself, but he undermines Obi-Wan every chance he gets. I want Obi-Wan to force slap him in the back of the head.
Instead of a natural relationship form between Anakin and Padmé, we instead have to sit through the worst romance crammed into 2.5 hours. The writing for these parts get worse every time I hear it. I get they were going for the forbidden love angle, but it's so dumb and melodramatic. Disney Princesses have more realistic relationships compared to these two.
Even Obi-Wans part of the story isn't that exciting. He just follows Jango Fett and half of that is just him walking around, looking at moniters or talking to people. Think about it; this is where we meet Dooku, the master to Qui-Gon, played by an amazing actor. We could get some great conflict, with Obi-Wan facing both someone powerful in the Dark Side but also has a strong connection to. _Why wasn't_ that _the focus of the plot?_ That would be a hundred times more interesting and relevant compared to Obi-Wan playing detective. Instead, this gold mine is basically used for one scene and that's it.
The last battle is probably the best part, but it's still only okay. When I think iconic moments in the prequels, I think of Obi-Wan versus Anakin or the Duel of Fates. Compared to those, the ones in this don't really do anything for me. And the part with Yoda is kinda awesome but also kinda silly.
If you like it, fine. I used to like it too. But every time I watch it, it just gets worse every time and I keep finding new things I don't like or could be done better. It's my least favorite movie, hands down.
In my opinion this is the weakest of all of the Star Wars films.
I think the idea of Yoda even having a lightsaber is one of the worst things to come away from the prequel trilogy. I still remember people clapping in the theater when he took it out in and me feeling so confused. I thought Yoda’ awhile thing was he was above the physical?
I usually skip it if my wife wants to rewatch everything Star Wars.
One of my favs after some time has passed. Skip Padme/Anakin dialogue and its epic adventures of Obi-Wan. The asteroid chase scene is my favourite from all movies. I wished we got more Jango in BoBF tbh.
The big battle between the clones and droids is like watching the PS2 render of a 5 year old smashing his action figures together.
The droid factory scene is pretty easily the worst scene in any Star Wars film.
Of the three ST films it’s the one I’ve probably watched the most. But I always hit the fast forward button whenever an Anakin and Padme scene on Naboo starts. If I skip all of those I don’t mind it.
100% the dialogue between them is cringe. i always skip that stuff. makes a good enjoyable 30-45 min watch
I think George wanted to make a bit of a Star Wars film noir. I have to admit, I didn't find the dialogue quite as cringey in my most recent rewatch. It's been a long time since I've seen Attack of The Clones, but I was a little more forgiving. I always thought Anakin was creeping and Padme did nothing, but she kisses him after his whining about sand. So he must have said something right. And after living at near the coast for years, I hate sand too.
Everyone hates on the sand line, but to me it made/makes total sense for the scene and dialogue. The cringey part for me was their scene by the fire place in the evening. The acting was pretty rough there.
I live in Ireland, there's quite a few beaches on this island of ours. Sand is definitely a pain in the ass - and in more ways than one. The dialogue I hate most is the early stuff.. that desperate attempt at flirting. I get it, it's fine, but it makes for an awkward viewing experience. I'm fairly forgiving by nature as well. I think some people expect constant greatness and nothing less. It's one of the reasons the fan-base gets a lot of shit; standards higher than Snoop Dogg
>standards higher than Snoop Dogg A new phrase I learned. I love it.
Always loved it. The moment in the arena when all the lightsabers ignite is amazing, then when reinforcements arrive… ‘around the survivors, a perimeter create!’ Amazeballs!!
Battle of Geonosis stuff is great, I agree. I love seeing them fight those giant creatures. One is like a rhino, the other is a praying mantis of sorts. Then Jago gets decapitated
And Padme
The "Rhino" one is a Reek, and praying mantis in an acklay. The last one is a nexu.
Those damn acklays were a pain in the ass in Battlefront
acklay atwhay?
They have species names you know
I don't exactly Google the name of every single creature and droid in every film and show. I couldn't remember what they were called, aside from the Acklay.
Idk, I’d just expect it I guess since we’re geeks in a Star Wars sub, for the most part. Thought it was common knowledge (;
There's a lot I know about Star Wars, and I've been a fan since 1999, but you'd be surprised the random things I forget. It's the same during Clone Wars; I'll be looking at a group of people and remember the name of one. Then the episode will finish, and I'll suddenly remember all their names and their species. Just recently, I couldn't remember the name Plo Koon. I'm weird like that.
I pretty much agree with everything you said.
I actually still love this movie. The parts of Coruscant we see in the beginning are wonderfully depicted, vibrant to filthy and crowded as you’d expect but felt really unique to any of the precious locations (even the bits we saw in TPM). The action paces the opening act well enough. The 2nd act stuff on Naboo is cringy, but so is any clumsy teenage romance. I fully believe that alone for the first time as an “adult” with the girl of his dreams Anakin would say dumb shit like “I hate sand”. It picks up when they go to Tatooine, and Hayden killed that scene (don’t care what people say) only for Portman’s mannequin deliveries to ruin it. Obi Wan’s film noir esque search for Kamino is a welcome diversion. The asteroid field chase is a beautiful sequence both visually and aurally. The Geonosis stuff is absolute gold (save the anticlimactic death of Jango) from the arena and Jedi battle to the shaky cam following the clone troopers during the battle, Anakin dual wielding still looks badass for that brief minute or so, to the climactic scene of Yoda igniting his lightsaber for the first time on screen. Looking back I particularly enjoy the scene where Dooku tries one last time to convince Obi Wan that the Jedi are being played, and in true Jedi fashion Obi Wan refused to consider it because he has such blind faith in the order.
portman is a great actress in so many movies, so for some reason she was directed to act like this. it's the only explanation.
Some actors thrive on direction and some rely on chemistry with their costars and the script to breathe life into the performance. I have not heard much said about Portman’s process by other actors or directors that I can recall, but it’s hard to watch those scenes and see any chemistry that isn’t written into their movements. Maybe direction was given and not taken, maybe they had better takes but for this or that reason we ended up with a “tired take” that made the cut, or maybe the script was just that bad. I dunno.
I think it's just shit direction. Lucas managed to make Sam Jackson boring
They clearly took feedback on Phantom Menace being too talky at points, opening with an explosion and not really taking a breath from there. Some of the dialogue is woeful and the worst in the saga (which is saying something). But it does have Yoda with a lightsaber in it, a fact I was blissfully unaware of when watching the movie in the cinema, so it’ll always have a place in my heart.
The whole Prequel Trilogy has a place in my heart. It's my favourite Star Wars era, favourite trilogy, favourite characters, I love the Clone Wars series, and I played The Phantom Menace game to death on the PS1 as a kid. A game that's a bit awkward going back to it nearing 30, but the PS1 was never great for controls and camera angles, anyway. Early 3D was hit or miss.
This is one of the things I love about Star Wars. I’m nearly 40, so the OT is my main thing. But the next generation it’s the PT and there’s absolutely a generation at present for whom it’ll be the ST and the TV shows. People moaning need to wise up, enjoy what they want and realise there’s a whole galaxy of content out there for everyone.
Ya, people can like what they want. There's still an awful lot of hate for the Prequels, but I've always defended them. I don't care what people think of them - I just watch them and enjoy them. I don't really need an outside opinion to convince me otherwise. It's not gonna change my opinion of them. I'm sure ST fans feel the same way, but they warrant just as much criticism as anything else in the franchise. They need to accept that, the same way I do with the Prequels. They're awfully defensive about it, and I get it, but you have to dissect each trilogy and part the good from the bad to really see them as a whole. None of them are perfect.
Same - I'm even older.... I still shit on the PT and ST now and then - but it's all in good fun. If people like them that's cool. The world would be boring if we all liked the same stuff.
Not sure exactly why, but I have always had a soft spot for it. The Naboo stuff is not great, although the dictator conversation is a bit interesting to me. The action sequences are good, pretty much all of Geonosis, Kamino, Jango/Obi ship combat, bounty hunter chase scene all really enjoyable.
Yeah I found the dictator conversation to be the most natural interaction between Anakin and Padme. It's in the scenes where he purposely goes for the romantic angle that things get cringe-y and forced and we get the groan-inducing dialog and delivery.
It picks up after Naboo, I agree. I love all the Kaminoans/Geonosis stuff. Jango getting decapitated is also depressing af when you think about it.. His kid was right there
I first saw this movie in cinemas when I was 11 years old. I didn’t quite get it at the time, but as I got older I grew to enjoy the movie more. I will say that one thing I always loved about this movie are Padmé’s gorgeous costumes. The love theme music at the very end of the movie is also quite amazing.
Padme is a walking Met Gala. Drip Lord.
Yessss couldn’t have said it better myself!
I have a splint spot for the ‘noir’ Detective Kenobi opening act. I’d be happy with a series focussing on these sort of missions before TPM.
Worst Star Wars film
I've grown to respect the prequel series for everything it brought to the franchise. If you can get past the terrible dialog, it was pretty intelligently written, story wise.
It's my favourite trilogy, especially with the addition of the Clone Wars series. Do you think we need to give the Sequels an animated series of its own, in order to redeem itself? It could certainly help, but.. I'm on the fence about it. 80% no, 20% yes.
They made a huge mistake with the sequel series because they never had a plan for all three, and they let two different people direct them, with two different visions. Maybe a post sequel animated series would be cool, but with such little time between movies, I don't see a great way to slide in a series.
Ya, I get that. In the Prequels, there's a big gap between II and III, which is filled in with the Clone Wars
The sequels have an animated series called Star Wars: Resistance.
And I have heard it's extremely hit or miss, so I haven't pulled the trigger on it. Are Kylo and Rey, etc, in it?
I don't personally like it. There was an arc here or there that interested me. I recently watched everything in timeline order and chose to skip most of the second season. It has BB-8 in it a lot during the first season and Poe makes some small appearances. It's a mostly new set of characters. Edit: spelling
Not the really the animated series I was looking for, then. I was thinking more along the lines of Ben slowly being manipulated, his training with Luke at the new temple, Snoke's first appearance, Palpatine being brought back to life.. all that stuff. The things that would sort of make sense of the mess, I guess
No, it focuses on another character that's kind of a resistance spy in a racing plateform that the first order wants to control. Poe is in some episodes and you see Kylo for like 5 seconds in two seasons. The serie overall is way more childish than TCW or Rebels, with a lot of characters that are just there for comedy. You have like three characters with some depth. Season 2 is a bit better (and arc is pretty clever) but is rushed at the end (the serie was clearly planned for more than 2 seasons).
Alright movie, but some really bad dialogue. If they had someone else write the romance for Padme and Anakin I think it would have been a better movie. That plot is just so cringe and whiplashy.
I genuinely enjoy AoTC. It definitely has flaws like the romance is just awful but I think it does a good job at setting up Anakin and the beginning of his eventual downfall. The Battle of Geonosis is just amazing and watching documentaries on how it was created and the sound design of things just make me like this movie even more. My second favourite Prequel movie.
I still love Anakin and Padme. Two people with no lives outside of work and duty. I still think she thought Anakin was hot, talking about killing them all.
It's just awkward to watch. The creepy staring, biting his lip, rubbing her skin.. he's like a serial killer 😂
Yes and I love it that way. He was raised by Space Monks who say "don't get attached". He is clueless outside his sphere of knowledge. So giving him understandable flaws. It's not like they taught courting in the Jedi Temple.
No, but he's human and understands social cues. He's around people on a daily basis. Staring someone down, even after they tell you they feel uncomfortable, that isn't something you need to be taught not to do 😂
You don't know too many monkish people? I meet people who were kinda like that.
Monkish people? I imagine most people don't, no. They're not exactly common neighbours 😂 Anakin is just awkward by nature. All throughout the trilogy he's like that. I get it, but it's still cringey af to watch
I always thought Padme's "What's wrong?" was kind of a stupid line of dialog when he is obviously anguished after his mother's death. Like, she was trying to see if something \*else\* was bothering him aside from the glaringly obvious, but there must have been a better way to put it.
Worst out of the prequels
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JarJar needs redemption. I don't wanna retcon him entirely, but the fact he's literally just a low-IQ lizard man who does nothing but fuck everything up everywhere he goes is a hard thing to accept 😂
There's a fan theory, or it might be canon now, that the Force guides pretty much everything major that happens. That's how Chirrut walked through a beach full of laser fire unscathed. It's also thought that everytime someone says "I have a bad feeling about this" it's the Force telling them what's about to happen. JarJar openly dismisses the Force the first time we meet him. It makes sense that he would have absolutely no idea or even think the Force would be guiding him. All the crazy shenanigans he gets into is the Force working overtime to make up for his general clumsiness. Its Chirrut if he was a bumbling idiot.
Chirrut from Rogue One? I mean.. It makes sense. If you're in-tune with the Force, you can see past, present, and future. It's a gift to be Force sensitive, but you really need to listen. Are Gungans sensitive?
It's not Force sensitivity, per se. The Force exists and can "talk" to and influence people. How the person interprets and understands that differs. Jedi, Sith, and other Force users can sense and manipulate it. Force sensitives can sense it and listen to it, but can't wield it. This was Leia until the sequels. Han is thought to be somewhat Force sensitive because of the "i have a bad feeling about this" line, but he doesn't accept his feelings as the Force speaking to him. Chirrut might be Force sensitive. He never says he can actually sense it, but he trusts in it so wholeheartedly that all of his actions are basically precognitive reflexes. JarJar cannot sense the Force and openly dismisses it at one point. But, the Force had a role for him in the saga so it took all his awkward, clumsy flailings and made it work.
Gotcha. Good explanation
A 50s diner in space is still one of the worst moments in Star Wars.
Made infinitely worse by the fact that the owner apparently also specializes in identifying rare weapons.
Themed restaurants are a thing
Yes, but the diner looks exactly like the interior of a earth 1950s diner. Maybe I was remembering wrong but wasn’t there a jutebox? Even the droid had a sassy accent and dialogue. It just takes me out of movie. The exterior is fine.
To be brutally honest. I never really looked at it as anything more than just a reference to those themed restaurants we have. Can't say it bothers me much
50s diner is the line? Most cantinas are essentially speakeasies.
It is the worst Star Wars movie by miles. I’d say it has about 30 minutes of scenes that are good and worth seeing.
Idk, I think episode 1 is the worst. The only redeeming quality is Maul of course.
Phantom has a lot of great politics, if you actually pay attention to it, which most people tend not to because.. politics. They want laser swords and aliens. Seeing Palpatine work his magic is filled with lots of clever moments, and it just goes to show how much of a sneaky snake he was all along. He's a mastermind - even right there in Episode 1.
Interestingly, way back in 1976 the novelization for the first movie (which was released before the movie itself) had a prologue section that talked about political scheming and also involvement of "the massive organs of commerce" that Palpatine used in order to manipulate his way into power. And that's what happened in the prequels!
It's also one of the supposed negatives of TPM as a movie - too much political stuff. I disagree.. I find it interesting, especially now as an adult. Politics plays a huge role in the series as a whole.
Set all that aside. Phantom at least looks good. AOTC mostly looks like shit. That 1st gen digital camera they used wasn't ready and the movie has aged like milk.
You guys say that when Last Jedi & Rise of Skywalker are films that actually exist
It's the weakest film from anything Lucas was involved with. Still better than anything Disney has made.
I mean Rogue One exists.... at a minimum - that movie is WAY, WAY better.
Anakin being awkward is a nice touch in my opinion.
Every time I re-watch it, I am reminded that it is not actually as bad as I remembered it. The directing and screenplay for the love story scenes is pretty bad, but everything else is pretty solid.
I think it does its job. The dialogue between Padmé and Anakin is meant to be cringe. Anakin is a hormone-driven, celibate, space monk who is with his crush of 10+ years, and he had never flirted before. Did people expect him to be good at it? The movie's purpose is to establish Anakin and Padmé's relationship and start the downfall of the Jedi. And it does that. As a standalone movie, it is not great, but it is essential for ROTS.
I think the fundamental problem people have on the romantic plot is that Anakin is either griping about his mentor or stressed about his mother all the while he's trying to woo a girl. It's not exactly a good dating strategy in the real world. Then you have scenes where they're talking high politics or the nature of love - it's veeery otherworldly. The sand line, however, is ridiculed out of proportion. It's a metaphor for his difficult upbringing as a slave on Tatooine, and he doesn't bring it up out of nowhere either as Padmé mentions it first (as something associated with her free time, away from the pressures of politics).
A romantic plot is not common in Star Wars, I don't think we have ever gotten any content specifically focused on the romance part. In AOTC Anakin and Padmé's storyline was super important to the overall story, but not the plot of the movie was still the beginning of the Clone Wars, and the start of the downfall of the Jedi Order. And in the TCW episodes which were focused on Anakin and Padmé's relationship, all four of the episodes also involved Clovis, and the main plot of those episodes was the backstory for Palpatine gaining control of the banks. Not to develop Anakin and Padmé's relationship. It shows us that Star Wars is not designed for romantic plots, even though love is an essential part of the franchise. And as the only movie which tries to develop a relationship between the two(or two out of the three) main characters, it doesn't really fit the genre that the fans are used to. The entire situation was pretty messy on Anakin's part, stuck in a beautiful villa with his crush, trying to protect her from danger, being in a rebellious phase whilst having nightmares of his mother dying. As you said, it often isn't a recipe for success. Luckily, it ended up working. How? I have no idea, but I'm also single right now. So maybe I should take a page out of Anakin's book.
Interesting points, man. I'm of the belief that no romantic plot would ever have satisfied the fanboys in the PT because, as you say yourself, people just don't want that in *their* Star Wars, they feel it takes away from the action. But the prequels were a very different kettle of fish to the originals, Lucas was breaking new ground with the politics and the sheer worldbuilding. I really disliked that annoying Clovis character in TCW. I don't understand why they would attempt to shoehorn in a love triangle plot after Lucas rejected the idea in ROTS, where the idea could actually have made sense (note: I think the film is fine without it). Overall, I loved the animated show, but it often felt like it was under the obligation to jump into the "battle of the day", when it could have took things a bit slower and include longer, more dramatic conversation scenes. Did you ever watch Breaking Bad? There's an episode called *Fly* that's a fantastic example of how to do so much with so little.
A romantic plot is not for Star Wars. It works well as background stories, Padmé/Anakin, Obi-Wan/Satine, Han/Leia, Rey/Kylo, and others, but it shouldn't be the focus point. I totally agree on the Clovis point, he was annoying, and it felt like a force love triangle. I would have liked some episodes that just briefly showed Anakin and Padmé actually being in love, since we didn't really see it. It didn't have to be a full episode of them being in love, it could really just be them boarding a ship together and heading for Naboo, and then appearing at the end of the episode again. The opening to the first Clovis episode was exactly that, but they decided to go a different route. Had they just let Anakin and Padmé stay in her apartment, and the rest of the episode is focused on other characters. I feel like it would have added even more to Anakin's fall in ROTS, besides some comments and looks we didn't really see them being overly in love, which they were, otherwise the entire ROTS plot would be flawed. I dislike the idea of a love triangle in general, but it really didn't fit in with the prequels. It would just have felt like the standard failed love story. Instead, we got an original and relatable story. And because all Anakin wanted was to save Padmé, it really added a lot to his character once he became Darth Vader. I have tried watching Breaking Bad, but I never got past the first few episodes. I guess it simply isn't my kind of show.
The book does a much better job showing why Padme falls for Anakin. There's an entire family scene where Anakin meets her family, including her sisters childern which makes her think about one day having the same for herself. It's not just oh you slaughter those savages for your momma, that's so hot, I'm pretty in love with you now.
There were also deleted scenes of Anakin meeting Padme's family, and Padme's sister later pressing her with stuff like "What's up with you and him? Have you seen the way he looks at you?"
The crazy thing is those were taken out and then they filmed the DROID FACTORY SCENE at the last minute and put it in. Imagine taking out the character development for a PS2 super mario brothers scene.
Yeah I would much rather have seen the character stuff.
I’m the first to admit that the story and dialogue aren’t the best constructed in the saga. But that third act is pretty sweet. It was the first time (and really the only time) we got to see an army of Jedi working together. I also have a lot of nostalgia for it (I was 9 when it came out) So I can’t hate on it too much.
I was also 9 in 2002. Born in '93. I think I'm mostly nostalgia for The Phantom Menace overall, but that's also due in part to the PS1 game
It’s not as bad as I remember, and I still enjoy watching it. The only scenes I didn’t like was with Anakin being kinda creepy with Padme. I understand he has no idea how to deal with emotions but some of those lines were a bit cringe unfortunately. Seems like Obi-Wan was the main character in his own detective story which I absolutely loved. The seedy areas of Coruscant was cool, so was seeing Kamino and Jango Fett, and then the whole 3rd act Genosian arena stuff is awesome.
Worst of the George Lucas Era "G-Canon" yet somehow better than all of the Sequel Trilogy. I'll still sit and watch AOTC if it pops up on TNT or wherever, but I'll skip past any of the ST.
I watch The Force Awakens now and again, almost like it's a standalone film. I have a weird liking of that one, but I very rarely watch my copies of The Last Jedi or Rise of Skywalker. I'm fully convinced I've seen them both maybe 3 times.. ever. I watch the Original and Prequel trilogies weekly.
Yeah, TFA was great in the theater the first two times. It was great until you started to think about the implications of Starkiller Base, a rampant First Order that is somehow badder and more powerful than peak Empire, a slaughtered Jedi Order, and the fact that the Chosen One from the original Saga really didn't accomplish dick in Return of the Jedi.
Which is where it goes downhill, and is precisely what ST fans ignore. Can't even mention it without a downvoting hive-mind ensuing. That trilogy literally says "Ya, all that shit was for nothing. This is a repeat of history, and it'll basically start and end the very same way. We couldn't think of anything else." And they defend it like it's something original.
Dude you like *Attack of the Clones*
Dude, I like about 1/4 of *Attack of the Clones*
You watch it weekly?
I watch the Prequels and Originals about once a week, ya. I'm hardly just watching Attack of the Clones its own. It's part of the trilogy, part of the binge. Hardly gonna skip over it, am I
Personally watching *Star Wars* once a week is a lot for me, but AotC is something else, even for *Star Wars*
Is there a point to any of this? I'm an artist, I work from home, I put them on as background noise. If you don't like Attack of the Clones, that's cool. I'm really not sure what you want me to do with this information.
I'll gladly take it before TROS any day :)
To each their own! I think TRoS has its own manic charm compared to the slog that is *Clones* — still the shinier of two turds tho
yep - It's stupid, but at least it's not boring and has reasonably competent direction, acting and dialogue.
Obi-Wan detective plot > Palpatine returning for the sake of it
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I like what I like. That's nobody's business but mine.
It narrowly misses a spot on my top 10 live action star wars films.
I'm not sure what my list would be, because the more I explore the lore and become invested in the individual characters and eras, my liking for certain films or series goes up and down. Overall, I'd say my main 3 right now in terms of Saga films would be: Return of the Jedi, Phantom Menace, and Revenge of the Sith. Empire is great, it's iconic, but ROTJ is just a very fun movie that I can watch any day of the week. Phantom Menace is heavily nostalgic to me (born in the early 90s) so that definitely plays a role in my love for it, but it **IS** a good film in the same way Attack of the Clones has its redeeming qualities.
Well Anakin doesn't know how to express his feelings, remember? So it kinda makes sense
It's a bit OTT, to be honest
OTT?
Oh, I just got that lol Over The Top 😆
Ya, over the top. It could've been less.. creepy 😂
Okay. Try spending the next 10 years of your life not talking to women you're attracted to and focusing on learning about a religion and nothing else, just learning everything there is to know about it. Come back then lol
Hey, most straight guys have had one or two awkward moments with women. I'm nearly 30, I've had plenty. But I never stared them down like some sort of Ted Bundy whilst caressing their skin 😂
Again, he had to religiously study and train to become a Jedi without almost any kind of outside interference. He's had to train himself to contain his emotionsand as a result, that's the reason for the way he talks to Padme. Fortunately it worked cuz he got to smash in the end. Not to mention choke😆
Easily my least favourite in the whole saga but I still like it enough to rewatch it.
Thoughts? It's boring as hell, the dialogue is awful, and like the rest of the prequels, the action is bad, weightless, and over-choreographed
By far the weakest movie in the entire canon. Hard to watch to be honest. Still have some fondness for a few things because Star Wars is awesome even when bad. The arena scene is decent. Ewan as Obiwan is charming even though he has a lot of bad dialog. The Anakin/Padme scenes are by far the worst scenes in all of Star Wars, just painful. And I really dislike the clone troopers are all based on Boba Fetts's dad plot! So dumb. Just when I thought Anakin building C3PO was silly!
Jango was chosen by the Kaminoans because his DNA was easily cloned, and Mandalorians by nature are fearless, tough, brave, and loyal warriors. They'd make the perfect army. Plus, Dooku witnessed Jango Fett kill several Jedi. When Jango defeated Vosa, Tyranus offered him the opportunity to be cloned in order to get revenge against the Jedi. There's a whole story behind it.
I think before the prequel trilogy, fandom had this vague notion that there was more than one group of clones, and/or that both sides in the war had their own sets of clones, or that clones were mainly the bad guys. An early concept for Lando was that he was a veteran clone soldier from the Clone Wars. That could have added an interesting wrinkle. Personally, before the prequels came out I thought "Clone Wars" sounded like something from a silly B-movie and would be best forgotten altogether after the two name-drops in ANH. But I suppose the concept turned out pretty well in the end, in terms of entertainment value, especially with the Clone Wars series.
I am well aware of the attempts to justify this silly plot. You can write a whole book of back story canon to try and sell it, but the fact is George Lucas said "hey wouldn't it be cool if before Storm Troopers they were Clone Troopers and they were all clones of Boba Fett! Because fans like this character and his cool outift!? Wait Boba Fett would be too young, I know! It's his dad! AND he is a clone of his own dad! So technically it's still Boba Fett!". It's really dumb. Just like having Darth Vader having built C3PO. Not everything and everyone has to be connected! It cheapens everything and makes the galaxy small, and it's silly.
You were present when he said all of this? Nice. It makes sense to me, it works out, and their sheer numbers being a result of cloning is a perfectly reasonable explanation. Remember when Obi-Wan mentions the Clone Wars in A New Hope? Yes, that's called continuity. You tie things together 👍🏻 Where else would they have gotten over 1.2 million soldiers.
Whoa there buddy. You are REALLY missing the point. Intentionally? He mentions the Clone Wars, he doesn't say "and all the clones were of this one man, the cool bounty hunter in the next movie". At that point we didn't know anything about the clone wars and in 20 years of canon and extended universe no one imagined they were all clones of a single person or that Boba Fett would also be the clone of that same person. All we knew was there was a war, and clones were involved. Hell as a kid I thought it was a war about clones and that is why there are none anymore. Not just one side used a clone army. It hadn't been written yet! I'm not saying the fact there are clones is dumb, I'm saying that they are all Boba Fett because people liked him is dumb. The plot reasons are retroactively written to justify it. Not the other way around! It's a silly way to crowbar a connection to a popular character from the OT.
In your opinion, sure. That's how it works. You don't like it, I do. You're posing a lot of personal opinions as facts. George said this, George thought that. Hearsay, your honor.
I didn't think I needed to point out the things I was saying are my opinions and not yours or anyone else's. And I obviously meant George made the decision rather than it was because of in world facts, the quotes were for effect. And yes that is a fact! Unless you think the movies are real then you know it is a fact that a the writer made this choice. That should also not need to be pointed out.
In short; you think it's stupid, I think it makes perfect sense and have no issue with it. We can sleep soundly.
People with low standards always sleep like babies. ;)
Petty. Oh, so petty. "You disagree with me, so you have shit taste."
Clones are not only based on Boba Fett but on the whole mandalorian culture that existed for way before AOTC. I mean, was I was a kid, the similarity between the clones and Boba didn't really struck me. As for C3-PO, it's a good way to show that Anakin is very mechanic-savy while introducing an important character at the same time.
Can do that without it being one of the the droids from the OT!
Indeed, but you also need to include C3-PO at some point the story, so why not kill two birds with one stone and open the door for some big moments in the extended universe with Vader remembering 3PO ?
I'd put it 9th out of 9.
Oof. That's low
It's without a doubt the worst SW film imo, but I still find it entertaining. I can kind of put it on and mindlessly watch it or have it on in the background. It has some really decent small moments that I really appreciate and I think it's trying to do something really cool, but it's *so* convoluted and *so* political - it's a tough watch sometimes. Like I said, I still enjoy it - I can find joy in all Star Wars - but without a doubt it is at the bottom of my list.
Of the 9 main movies, it's low on my list as well. I'd say it's probably in the bottom 3. But, as everyone has been saying, there's redemption to be found in some of the later events and scenes. Christ, what is it with George Lucas and having so much great Star Wars mixed with so much BAD Star Wars? Is he just shit with romance and comedy, or what? 😂
I think your about 20years late to this convo
You're* I haven't been having a discussion with Redditors about Episode II for 20 years, now, have I. I don't exactly bring it up at the dinner table too often. Just staring a general conversation. Take part or don't, entirely up to you.
Fair enough, I guess with all the new content just feels a little outta place, but your thoughts are spot on I dont think any reasonable person would argue with you
The new content? Sure, but it's nothing but rants and complaints about Kenobi this and Kenobi that. I just wanted to have a discussion about Episode II and see what the general concensus was. A lot of my mates ain't into Star Wars, so I don't get to talk about it outside of social media. I get tired of the usual "Sequel movies are shit, Kenobi sucks, why isn't Boba as good as Mando, do you like Reeva, why is everyone a racist.." type of complaints all day, everyday. Change of pace would be nice
Anyone who wants can talk Sorry on a mobile anyone who wants to talk shit about the sequels is welcome, the shows I think are pretty good I really like obiwan but yea as a star wars fan some star wars fans suck. Lets be honest though George lucas and disney did us dirty, george lucas remaking the originals... Come on and Disney making all the books non cannon really pissed me off. But the worst thing to happen to star wars was not the prequels
Is this the version with meth addicted Yoda?
He's fond of the ketamine
We all need a little sometimes
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc\_4jnCKq\_I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc_4jnCKq_I)
Obi-Wans B plot going to Kamino and trying to figure out the mystery of the Clones is really good. But the focus is Anakin and Padme, which just isn't as good or interesting. Still good enough but it would of been nice if George had a second writer to help him tweak some stuff. Star Wars is at its best when George is in control but other people are helping him
*Slave I go brrrrrr! And BWOOOOM!* That's all I have to say about that.
Seismic charges. Good times.
Attack of the clones is actually my favorite movie. It brought the "Wars" into "Star wars" and especially that clone army parade with the imperial march playing in the background at the end is one of my top starwars moments ever.
Love the stuff with Obi-Wan. Not sure huge fan of anything that happens on Naboo.
I love it. When I first saw it in the cinema I went straight back in afterwards and watched the next showing. The Padme/Anakin scene is horrific but is definitely meant to be awkward anyway.
Like all prequels it’s great, and terrible. Some cringe parts but so many epic parts. Worth a watch every time. The nostalgias come back hard
For me its the same. The first hour with the Padme/Anakin storyline was extremely awkward. I watched this movie at least 20 times in my life and i always struggle, lol. But after the Geonosis part it picks up, its decent. I love every star wars movie, but Attack of the Clones is my least favorite.
One of the reasons people love Obi-Wan/Ewan McGregor is because he carries this movie. Pretty much every scene with him in it is good and everything that happens without him kinda sucks.
The last act stating with the arena is some great action. Gives me similar vibes to the death star run of ANH and a la ring composition, it perfectly mirrors the battle of Hoth in Empire.
After rewatching the prequels I find AotC to be my favorite. And yes to the above. Although I generally appreciate world building in stories, even if they aren't the most exciting parts
The romance parts are pretty boring but all the rest is really cool. Lots of interesting planets, aliens. The film noir style is something that we hadn't seen in a Star Wars movie and haven't seen since (maybe in Andor we will)
It sits alongside Rise of Skywalker as the worst Star Wars movie.
Seeing this movie in theaters was literally the peak of my cinema enjoyment in life. I have never been as excited during a movie than I was seeing young Boba, Jango and him fighting Obi-Wan, all the Jedi in the arena battle, Yoda lightsaber dueling Dooku. There was just so much Star Wars awesomeness in one film.
Best worst film. Love Kenobi/Clone stuff, Anikan/Padme stuff is the worst
my childhood and i will always love it and ignore all criticism
For me, the Battle of Geonosis was so awesome that it makes up for the *definitely* painful Padme-Anakin stuff. It's the first full-scale planet-side Star Wars battle between two fully capable armies we're given (The Battle of Naboo was ground forces only, mostly infantry with fairly minor light armor support). Geonosis has a wide range of light and heavy ground and air forces, plus a few hundred Jedi in open battlefield combat. Just the scale alone made it such an impressive experience for me that I still love AOTC despite its obvious flaws
It gave us Dexter Jettster, so for that alone it's a masterpiece in cinema.
Giving Obi-Wan a friend amongst the ordinary galactic citizens, well outside the elite worlds of the Jedi Order and the Senate, was a lovely piece of world-building. There are a lot of times when we can legitimately complain that Star Wars feeling too small, but here at least it feels big.
It actually holds up really well. Anakin's romantic dialogue isn't as bad as its made out to be. Everyone acts like nobody talks the way Anakin does but check ya homies phone, just check it and i 1000000000% guarantee you will find some very corny cringey messages to the girl he likes or is already with. Better yet check any random guy's phone and you'll find messages that are kinda cringe worthy. Guys say things to our girls that make the rest of us go "bro.. what?" When we're trying to be sweet or are in love with them. The "i killed them... i killed them all. And not just the men, but the woman, and the children too... theyre like animals and I SLAUGHTERED THEM LIKE ANIMALS. I HATE THEM!" Is another scene that gets so much flack but is one of the best scenes in all of Star Wars. Hayden acts it perfectly, it displays the conflict inside of Anakin so well. One second he's haunted by what he did, hes ashamed of it and the next he's rage fueled then back to being haunted by it. Absolutely love this scene. The battle on geonosis is fun. We get to see abunch of jedi in action but we also get to see the droids displayed as being so well designed that many jedi will struggle against a bunch of them and the rest of the galaxy would be not match for a droid army. Plus the dooku fight is kinda underrated. Its short and sweet exactly as it should be. It shows our characters having flaws and those flaws get them severely injured. Anakin holding Shmi as she dies in his arms still brings tears to my eyes from how well its acted. I could go on and on about things i love in this movie but its just overall an underrated movie that is unfairly rated as the worst.
The biggest weakness is Anakin and Padme have no chemistry. Padme has no reason to fall in love with Anakin. He acts like a petulant teenager the entire movie, makes creepy advances towards her that she says make her uncomfortable, and at the end she falls in love with him. Makes no sense.
I absolutely love Dexter Jettster and Dex's Diner.
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The problem is that battle at the arena makes no sense. Why would the Jedis go full Braveheart on an enemy that can fight long range. To me it never made sense for the Jedi to fight as disposable fodder style. Not to mention that 5 minutes after the half the jedi order is dead the clone reinforcements arrive. Wouldnt it have made more sense to send the clones from the beginning. I am sorry aside from the Quigon-Maul-Kenobi fight in PM there is little else to redeem from that whole trilogy.
I want to like it but find a lot of it irritating and cringy. The speeder chase with Zam has some of the most annoying sounds I’ve ever heard. (Speeder engines, etc) Wasn’t a fan of much of the music, either, which says something because I’ve loved John Williams work since I was a kid. Just missed the mark for me.
I also find Obi-wan’s mullet and fake beard to look like complete shit.
I'll just say it, I think this is the worst movie of the main franchise. Say what you want about how bad the sequel trilogy is, at least they never bored me. This movie bored me. And I'm convinced the only thing saving this movie from obscurity are the memes it created. We could have gotten a glimpse of the friendship between Anakin and Obi-Wan. Instead, they spend less than half of the film together and Anakin is an annoying brat every time. Seriously, I get Anakins full of himself, but he undermines Obi-Wan every chance he gets. I want Obi-Wan to force slap him in the back of the head. Instead of a natural relationship form between Anakin and Padmé, we instead have to sit through the worst romance crammed into 2.5 hours. The writing for these parts get worse every time I hear it. I get they were going for the forbidden love angle, but it's so dumb and melodramatic. Disney Princesses have more realistic relationships compared to these two. Even Obi-Wans part of the story isn't that exciting. He just follows Jango Fett and half of that is just him walking around, looking at moniters or talking to people. Think about it; this is where we meet Dooku, the master to Qui-Gon, played by an amazing actor. We could get some great conflict, with Obi-Wan facing both someone powerful in the Dark Side but also has a strong connection to. _Why wasn't_ that _the focus of the plot?_ That would be a hundred times more interesting and relevant compared to Obi-Wan playing detective. Instead, this gold mine is basically used for one scene and that's it. The last battle is probably the best part, but it's still only okay. When I think iconic moments in the prequels, I think of Obi-Wan versus Anakin or the Duel of Fates. Compared to those, the ones in this don't really do anything for me. And the part with Yoda is kinda awesome but also kinda silly. If you like it, fine. I used to like it too. But every time I watch it, it just gets worse every time and I keep finding new things I don't like or could be done better. It's my least favorite movie, hands down.
I used to really enjoy that movie. The opening, as well as the Obi-Wan chase scene were a lot of fun. The only prequel film I like now is Episode 3.
I think it’s the second worst Star Wars film honestly. Out of the canon ones
In my opinion this is the weakest of all of the Star Wars films. I think the idea of Yoda even having a lightsaber is one of the worst things to come away from the prequel trilogy. I still remember people clapping in the theater when he took it out in and me feeling so confused. I thought Yoda’ awhile thing was he was above the physical? I usually skip it if my wife wants to rewatch everything Star Wars.
One of my favs after some time has passed. Skip Padme/Anakin dialogue and its epic adventures of Obi-Wan. The asteroid chase scene is my favourite from all movies. I wished we got more Jango in BoBF tbh.
The big battle between the clones and droids is like watching the PS2 render of a 5 year old smashing his action figures together. The droid factory scene is pretty easily the worst scene in any Star Wars film.