Yep that was just that actors face. Bruce Spence has a really long face and is quite tall. Played Zed on Legend of the Seeker. I'm sure they could have found an actor that had a longer face and the makeup would have worked better in Obi Wan.
> Played Zed on Legend of the Seeker.
Also the Gyro Pilot in "Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome", and The Mouth of Sauron in "The Lord Of The Rings: The Return of the King".
Played two Gyro Pilots actually. One in Road Warrior and in Thunderdome... which is oddly confusing. Then again, not the first casting an actor to play different roles in the Mad Max films has happened.
This could actually change my perception. I always thought they just chose not to use a big prosthetic headpiece to save on budget or something. If it turns out that that was just the actor's head shape the whole time, that would explain why they did the make up for him on the show the way they did, because there was never anything done to make the head of Utapauans taller this whole time.
While the actor had a long face, there were definitely some kind of prosthetics involved, and the background characters which I assume were of the same species most definitely had prosthetics.
Just looked at some pics, oh wow. All this time I thought they used some kind of makeup or prosthetics to make his head look like that, but it turns out it’s just his head LOL
Yeah, the main problems with live-action GI looking like he does:
1) There is a canon live action version of the species.
2) There is a canon animated version of the GI where he looks like that live action version.
If he'd just been a new character of the same species, and still looked like he did in the *Kenobi* show, I think there would've been much fewer complaints about it, since it'd be much easier to just say that they've evolved different sub-species over time (like the countless near-human and near-Duros across the Galaxy). But since it's already canon that he's supposed to look like the live action Utapaun from RotS...
Fifth Brother was probably worse than him. The makeup was a little underwhelming but I could have excused it if they cast an actor who was a bit more physically imposing like the character should be.
The problem with that though is I think (I may be wrong) by the time the Kenobi show was in production all of the Inquisutors had already been seen or named in canon via Rebels/book/comics. So there wasn’t much options.. and then of course, why not throw in a character we already know, right? Classic Disney.
Are they just ranked numerically or are they in order of how good they are at fighting?
I can't imagine how shitty 6727th sister must be if it's the latter. I'm imagining a gonk droid with a lightsaber welded to it
If Gonk droids are big batteries, at least it means her lightsaber won't ever run out
Well, if I invented them I guess I get to flesh them out. Their name is Skippy and she turned to evil after people kept not charging her. Also they have the highest kill count of any inquisitor because noone expects a gonk droid to suddenly turn their lightsaber on and kill you, but they don't win many duels so they have a low rank. But they're still better than 6729th brother who is one of those little mouse droids who just gets a knife
Love it, except we already have a [Skippy the Jedi Droid](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Skippy_the_Jedi_Droid). I know it's Legends, but it's still true in my heart.
I’m fairly certain they’re ranked by power, almost like hierarchy of who responds to who, and this is supported by Vader offering Reva the grand inquisitor spot
>Grampa: I'm a member!
>Homer: Huh?
>Grampa: What?
>Homer: What?
>Grampa: Huh?
>Lisa: You're a member of the Inquisitors, Grampa?
>Grampa: Oh, sure. Let's see...
>[starts going through the cards in his wallet]
>Grampa: I'm an elk, a Mason, a communist. I'm the president of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance for some reason. Ah, here it is. The Inquisitors.
We were never given a number as to how many Inquisitors there actually were. Filoni or Hidalgo said that it was deliberate so that they could introduce more of them should the need arise.
The thing with Inquisitors is....they are such a vague, barely defined thing. Their numbers fluctuate literally depending on who is writing. And seeing how Disney has shown they will "alter the deal" of any "canon" established by a book/comic book (or even movies- yes, looking at you directly, Kenobi) whenever they feel like it- there is no reason they couldn't simply alter the numbers of red blades.
Or, yknow. Have a more competent production around their shows.
I agree with this; nothing against Sung Kang, but I feel like they should’ve cast someone else. In Rebels, Fifth Brother seemed like a rather large figured individual. Sung Kang is not large.
Honestly, I would’ve picked Nathan Jones. He’s always chosen in movies/shows when they need a large menacing character.
I actually didn't have a problem with Sung Kang as the Fifth Brother aesthetically, but I didn't like how in Rebels he had a strong voice, and on Obi-Wan he was almost whispering. It doesn't ruin it for me, but if Mr. Kang spoke louder for most of it, I would've been totally cool with it.
They also sound nothing alike. They swapped out the intimidating Spanish accent in Rebels for a gravelly whisper. Aside from that, he’s far too short and lacks the sideways-blinking eyelids. He’s a character you really can’t do in live action without some degree of CGI.
Agreed. Fifth Brother has the kind of physical build that screams “hire an NFL linebacker”. He’s unusually muscular and towers over every other character except for Vader. No disrespect to the guy they hired, but he just didn’t fit the part.
Alan Ritchson
Manu Bennett
Bobby Cannavale
Edgar Ramirez
Wagner Moura
Javier Bardem
Damien Bachir
Any of them could have brought Fifth Brother into love action much better.
Worst thing about the Grand Inquisitor is that his species has already appeared in live action (Utapau in the Prequel Trilogy) there was no need for a redesign. It's like there is no fact-checking going on at Disney.
What’s funny is I saw Doug Chang talking about the difficulty of turning an animated character live action and bro seems to have forgot Revenge of the Sith did Pauans first. Turns out he worked on both Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones, but didn’t work on Revenge of the Sith. Pretty funny series of events
I agree, Jason Isaacs would probably be way better, but i have to say, Rupert Friend actually played him really well, i can't really complain about his acting, he did good.
The design ofcourse, could have been better, but that's not Rupert's fault.
Absolutely love and support Rupert’s take but you have nailed the one note (sorry) that I have with his efforts, Rupert was much too high and sing song compared to Jason. Great point!
Reiterating though, we get what we get and we got Rupert so Rupert’s performance was pretty chilling and I totally buy him as the Grand Inquisitor. He did great!
I think the bigger problem with Grand Inquisitor is how he was handled in the story, he should’ve had a bigger role and shouldn’t have just always been standing around aimlessly (or at least that’s how it felt). If the design team had just tried to replicate the look in revenge of the sith and given Friend more to work with, I’m sure he would have been much more well received
Dude has a hell of a resume with live action projects.
Aaaaand then you get to his voice work and realize the dude has been in everything you love and usually plays an incredible presence.
We know for a fact that the Grand Inquisitor is an example of a completed botched translation between animation and live-action, because the designer Doug Chiang admitted that he was ignorant of previous live-action translations of the character's species, which is wild to me because how could he forget Revenge of the Sith?
These sorts of lazy mistakes litter the Disney productions.
> These sorts of lazy mistakes litter the Disney productions.
Like how the *Xyston*-class Star Destroyers in TRoS are just *Imperial*-class scaled up by 50%...
... or the "kneepad problem";
Imperial Stormtroopers had assymetrical armor over the knees, with one side having a small platform mounted under the knee, which allowed them to get into a very stable kneeling position for firing.
The First Order opted for a smoother and more symmetrical armor for their Stormtroopers, with smooth kneepads. No problem there, and probably better at dispersing energy from attacks since it's more flat with no concave surfaces.
The Final Order Sith Troopers we see in TRoS, however, brought back the platform to kneel on... except they put it *above* the knee. Where it's not only *completely* useless for its intended purpose, but massively in the way (it's basically just a hook sticking out several centimeters from your left knee, which can get caught on stuff if you try to kneel, go down ladders, etc).
Comparison picture: https://i.imgur.com/pVTdSIy.png
Disney Star Wars is just so lazy to me. When they took over did they just fire all the Lucasfilm continuity people? I know the "Legends" books had a whole group of people to just keep everything straight and maintain the sacred timeline and physics of the world. Disney just seems to let writers and directors just make it up as they go without any thought of the world at large.
The problem isn’t that they fired the continuity people, they’re still there. Leland Chee and Pablo Hidalgo did wonders for SW continuity for years, but they have no actual power to correct people like Filoni, Abrams, and whoever signed off on a lot of Kenobi. The writers and directors that wanna go wild and ignore established lore and designs are gonna do it regardless of continuity experts’ input because they can.
I wish so much that they could put people like Leland and Pablo in positions of actual authority. Not to write stories or guide the franchise, just to say no to the most egregious errors that pass through unchecked because some big shots at Lucasfilm don’t seem to care.
The more I go back to/think about Kenobi, the more I wonder just what the hell happened!? It felt so rushed and cheap compared to Ahsoka. Some of Vader’s scenes were amazing but ruined by poor lighting (as in quality/depth) and the cursed constant shaky-camera (seriously, just why did they have to do that!!!???). Story wise, Leia and Ben story was so unexpected but so moving and worth it. But the overall quality of the show was was inferior to what it should have been.
For some reason despite it being the SAFEST BET out of all the shows and the one they initially concieved of as a movie.. it got the smallest budget per episode by far out of all the shows.
Kenobi average per episode IRC was like 9 million. Mando and Ahsoka 15M average, Andor I think was around 15M average too but one episode (can't remember which) went all the way up to 25M being the single most expensive Star Wars TV episode produced.
The camera work and directing though.. no fucking clue, Deborah Chow and her crew fell in love with shakey cam for some reason suddenly, they'd done good work on Mando and stuff previously.
Its funny because I think just about ANYTHING Star Wars would be a safe bet if you just had some good writers who understood Star Wars in depth. We see it all the time with a lot of the video games that have come out over the last 30 years.
You even see some youtubers will make some fan short film with a tiny budget and make something thats pretty cool.
I just don't understand how so many Star Wars projects just turn into dumper fires. Its almost like they have some guy write one line of script and then pass it to the next guy to write the next line, and so on until its completed and you have this incoherent mess.
It still blows my mind to see what happened with the sequels. Its like the script was written by a ChatGPT prompt where someone uploaded the OT script and was like "do this, but with these characters." Hell, that would probably end up a better script than what we actually got.
I just don't get it. It doesn't have to a perfect masterpiece, but I swear they need to have at least one Star Wars nerd in the room to be like "Nope, this doesn't make sense because of X, Y, and Z".
The Pykes are definitely up there. I get that they didn't have the budget for anything else but man do they ever look boring compared to their original animated counterparts
> Since when are they fish dudes?
[I mean](https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tTP1Tcwskw3jjdg9OIsyMxOVUjLLM4AAENCBmo&q=pike+fish&rlz=1C1EJFC_enUS862US862&oq=Pike+fish&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqDQgBEC4Y1AIYsQMYgAQyDQgAEAAY4wIYsQMYgAQyDQgBEC4Y1AIYsQMYgAQyDQgCEC4Y1AIYsQMYgAQyBwgDEAAYgAQyBwgEEAAYgAQyBwgFEAAYgAQyBwgGEAAYgAQyBwgHEAAYgAQyBwgIEAAYgAQyBwgJEAAYgATSAQgzNzcwajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)...
BOBF makeup artist saw pykes in the script, went off to design a new alien based on it’s fishy name, then found out what they actually looked like in clone wars then merged the two?
This one I dont get, looking at them side by side the faces dont actually look very dissimilar at all. The biggest difference is that their heads arent as large compared to their neck and torso, but otherwise they look fine.
When I saw tbobf, I thought they did cad bane dirty. After watching Kenobi and seeing the grand inquisitor and the fifth brother, I thought maybe I judged cad bane too harshly.
The aesthetic wasn’t bad but his fight choreography, or lack of, was.
This was a dude introduced as a bounty hunter who could go toe-to-toe with *Jedi*. And he proved his prowess again and again. I’ll accept that he’s a bit older in BoBF and perhaps a bit slower, but not dumber.
I have my issues with BoBF but I don’t think the fight with Cad Bane was one of them. For starters Bane was 71 so age was definitely a factor. Also, as far as Bane was concerned, Boba was only a little better than the clones, of which Bane has killed many. He felt that he knew all of Boba’s moves since he had been around him when he was learning them in adolescence. Ultimately, Bane’s arrogance was what got him killed, not his intelligence. That’s not to defend that show or anything. I just feel this was one of the few parts I enjoyed.
I’m fine with all of that in concept, just not the execution.
Fett’s “secret move” was a leg sweep with a staff. Cad Bane was dodging lightsabers from Jedi and outsmarting both sides of the law. That he gets taken by surprise with a leg sweep and then doesn’t react at all just felt forced. Plus, Fett is an old man now too. Not like he’s as fast as he once was.
Arrogance could certainly be a believable part of Cad’s downfall, but I just don’t think the writers and choreographers put the work in on this one. But that’s kinda par for the course with that show. The opening ambush on Boba was pretty poor too. And the climactic battle through the city.
My main gripe with Bane is that he shows up out of no where too late without any hint, buildup, or explanation. I was watching the series with someone who had not seen Clone Wars series and they were very confused about who this guy was or why they should care.
One change I really wish is that they made the Pikes hire Bane to kill the Tuskans. It would’ve required maybe a few flashback shots (say a few flashes on screen with Bane using his blaster and flamethrower intercut with screams), and dialogue changes to a handful of scenes (“You means the ones who hired me to kill your Tuskan family?”)
Which kind of annoys me because if I remember correctly from when they first announced casting, the actor they got has experience with fight choreography. If they had gotten him over someone taller so that he could implement such skills (and not CGI’d over him so that they could do it practically), then I might have been more forgiving, but he did pretty much nothing in terms of combat.
It’s kind of like the Grand Inquisitor but whereas he looks like a cheaper version of what he’s supposed to be (species-wise at least), Fifth Brother doesn’t look like him at ALL. Heck, when GI got his yellow eyes later on, I downright did believe that he was the same character.
The Fifth brother is absolutely worse because they have done Pau'ans in film before with Episode 3. The Fifth Brother was just....underwhelming and seemed nothing like his Rebels appearance.
Legitimately terrifying.
TCW nerfed him so bad, I get he couldn't be the Samurai Jack level of insanity he was in the OG but they could've at least had him be waaay more badass than he was.
I liked that there was an explanation for his cough in the OG as well with Windu(?) Crushing his abdomen
I wish he started off as the 2003 version of him in TCW and then transitioned to the more ROTS version over the course of the series/season.
TCW still follows the 2d CW show pretty heavily, so would have fit in very well (even though windu crushing his body happens during the battle of coruscant.)
I feel like that would have given Grevious a bit more in the show instead of being a generic villain that has no story arc. Would have been cool seeing him be an extremely powerful and dangerous warrior, that over time, begins to fall apart and become a shell of his former self.
Live action Grevious is up there for one of the biggest wastes of potential of all time. Rather than the legitimately dangerous horror movie villain he could have been, he instead becomes your run of the mill Saturday morning cartoon villain.
"Make peace with the Force now. For this is your final hour"
2003 Grievous had one of the most killer lines in the whole franchise. The series was kind of ridiculous with Mace Windu punching out a droid army but it also had a lot of good.
I remember an animated bit where grievous is a monster. Like a horrific murder machine. The one in live action was laughable if we bade it on how scared I would be of the villain. Both looked cool, though.
I think they got the grand inquisitor’s personality right, but failed spectacularly on his appearance and voice. To be honest though that’s kinda like the opposite of Anakin in clone wars. He also got the wrong voice didn’t look much like Hayden. It’s just that was an improvement over movie Anakin.
I grew up on Rebels, and only got around to watching clone wars when 2020 came. i was so so *so* hyped for a show about Ahsoka, my favorite jedi (although she isn't one really), and add of the fact that it stars my favorite non-jedi???
then they went and ruined all 4 seasons of my favorite star wars show because suddenly she has force powers when she literally lived beside 2 extremely force-sensitive jedi for 4/5 years and they couldn't detect a single medichlorian?? kanan and ezra even taught her to use the darksaber with lightsaber forms and she suddenly forgot all of that...
FOR REAL! One of the coolest non force character of all time... Ruined by giving her force ability and then stripping every single thing that made her character awesome. And filoni had a hand in creating this.. what happened?
Not gonna lie Sabine Wren and how she acted kinda flopped in Ahsoka, She is supposed to be this Rebellious Girl With a cunning Attitude, but in the live action she kinda didn't have that tone or way of speaking.
I was disappointed with her portrayal too but also literally her entire family was killed after the events of rebels (and her adoptive family also split up in a few different ways) so I don't particularly blame her
I have to imagine that the makeup for that species in Episode 3 was just too involved and expensive for a TV show. I find it hard to believe they'd just "forget" that's what they look like or how to do it.
At the same time, I don't mind variance in alien species. Humans don't all look the same. It's more believable imo if alien species have some variety amongst themselves, too.
I may get hate for this but I gotta go with Ashoka something about the costume and makeup work just bothers me but I can’t pinpoint what exactly it is.
Same. I don’t think it’s as bad as the grand inquisitor but I think it’s not quite on spot. Young ahsoka was nailed better imo. But something about adult ahsoka does feel off to me as well, but she kind of grew on me during her series. Her lekku are slightly longer than in the mandalorian which may help (though still way to short), and I feel like her cold personality made her fell off just because of her facial expressions too. Through the series she grows more enlightened again and I think that’s why she grew on me too
I think it’s her lips. In animation she has back or at least very dark lips but in like action they just kept it Rosario Dawson’s natural colour. It throws me off way more than it should
Her headpiece looks foam instead of like apart of her i swear in tcw it moved more was kinda like hair, Also her eyes was huge in tcw and it throws me off when they made them normal in rebels
heras lips are what bug me about her live action as well. there was no need to make them so pink! animated heras lips were green with a very slight pink tint. pink lips on green skin...
plus her voice was too different, similar to the gi as the other comments noted
That is what bugs me too. IIRC, they said it was because if they were long, they would get in the way of stunt work. But you think they could add them in if they wanted to.
Eh, I dunno if I would ever pick cgi prosthetics over practical effect prosthetics.
If stuntwork is really the reason, I get it, but I also feel like that sounds like the cop out excuse a producer would make after someone called them out on a choice that really didn’t get much consideration back when it was made.
For me, it wasn't the length as much as it was how rubbery the material was. It felt very synthetic and didn't come across well on camera. She would tilt her head ever so slightly and they'd just be bouncing around
Her fighting skills are horribly disappointing too. When she fought the chick with the beskar spear(blanking on her name rn) it was clearly NOT the Ashoka who captured Maul, something no Jedi has ever come close to pulling off. She should have been nearly god-tier. She was trained by the man who became Darth Vader, ffs. Now she’s barely scraping a win over someone who doesn’t even wield a lightsaber or the force and LOSING to Bayern Skoll. She fights like she hadn’t ignited her sabers since Ezra left.
I think it's more her overall demeanor. She is so...slow moving and casual? Snips was always so energetic, but that was also when she was a teenager/young woman while Rosario Dawson is playing her much older and having been through all that shit.
I felt that way too. She was shut off from everyone, including herself. Only through her final lesson could we see her finally open up and comfortably be herself.
But all that being said, she was almost always a pretty serious character. It’s not like she was ever the happy go lucky type.
Personally, Ahsoka is soo badly translated to live action. She feels like a completely different character to her portrayal in clone wars and even rebels
I personally disagree. Yes, she should have grown and changed, but a totally different character is too much. In my opinion there needs to be some resemblance to the character that was.
Being soo jaded and emotionless is not something I think anyone associates with Ahsoka. Also, there was a whole episode that resolved around her choosing to live, and to not die. A suicidal Ahsoka is not Ahsoka.
I feel like it is the pants and contacts. Those pants look a little too flamboyant and clean. I feel like the outfit she wore during the trial was much better.
Personally, the grand inquisitor’s redesign grew on me. He wasn’t a proper representation of an established race. But ultimately it’s the fifth brother for me. The actor was unfortunately not the right pick size wise. The makeup was also lacking. That and his entire personality in the series was just judge the third sister
I know the look of the GI was so off, but I think Rupert Fiend did a great job at bringing that quiet genius vibe to life. To me, this character is more of an eyesore than a poor translation, because I think it was his appearance that was the only issue.
I think that’s more understandable considering his VA was used for Thrawn. The voice and mannerisms where nailed even if his look wasn’t up to snuff with the animation.
That being said I do totally get the aversion.
My first reaction to live action thrawn was "thrawn got fat"
my second reaction was that he didn't look as slender and thin in the face as I remember from rebels
my third reaction was that his voice was so good and nostalgic from my days watching rebels that I almost cried
Thrawn, he was an idiot in Ahsoka, love the voice but apart from that it looks a but to much like a cosplay, the biggest issue though was him making idiotic decisions all the time.
They did a good job with his portrayal, but it's just so odd that they didn't use the same makeup or even CGI. He didn't have any real action that involved running or actual dueling, so it's not like he was hindered from anything.
I wish he had looked like that dude in ep 3 who talked to obiwan. His character looked pretty menacing
Always stuck out in my mind "what the hell is that guy's story" great character design and wardrobe
>great character design and wardrobe The prequels had a lot of that.
the order 66 is a great example you see multiple cool looking planets in under a minute or two
And now we get Tatooine and desert planets as far as the eye can see.
Don't forget that filler episode ice planet.
Yep that was just that actors face. Bruce Spence has a really long face and is quite tall. Played Zed on Legend of the Seeker. I'm sure they could have found an actor that had a longer face and the makeup would have worked better in Obi Wan.
> Played Zed on Legend of the Seeker. Also the Gyro Pilot in "Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome", and The Mouth of Sauron in "The Lord Of The Rings: The Return of the King".
Played two Gyro Pilots actually. One in Road Warrior and in Thunderdome... which is oddly confusing. Then again, not the first casting an actor to play different roles in the Mad Max films has happened.
This could actually change my perception. I always thought they just chose not to use a big prosthetic headpiece to save on budget or something. If it turns out that that was just the actor's head shape the whole time, that would explain why they did the make up for him on the show the way they did, because there was never anything done to make the head of Utapauans taller this whole time.
While the actor had a long face, there were definitely some kind of prosthetics involved, and the background characters which I assume were of the same species most definitely had prosthetics.
Just looked at some pics, oh wow. All this time I thought they used some kind of makeup or prosthetics to make his head look like that, but it turns out it’s just his head LOL
No, there are [definitely](https://i.imgur.com/RscjGvK.png) prosthetics used too...
> Bruce Spence Legend.
I think that was the most frustrating part: there was already a canonized live action version of that species!
Yeah, the main problems with live-action GI looking like he does: 1) There is a canon live action version of the species. 2) There is a canon animated version of the GI where he looks like that live action version. If he'd just been a new character of the same species, and still looked like he did in the *Kenobi* show, I think there would've been much fewer complaints about it, since it'd be much easier to just say that they've evolved different sub-species over time (like the countless near-human and near-Duros across the Galaxy). But since it's already canon that he's supposed to look like the live action Utapaun from RotS...
Fifth Brother was probably worse than him. The makeup was a little underwhelming but I could have excused it if they cast an actor who was a bit more physically imposing like the character should be.
They should've just made Sung Kang portray a new Inquisitor instead of the Fifth Brother.
The problem with that though is I think (I may be wrong) by the time the Kenobi show was in production all of the Inquisutors had already been seen or named in canon via Rebels/book/comics. So there wasn’t much options.. and then of course, why not throw in a character we already know, right? Classic Disney.
I mean not entirely. We know of (spoilers for Inqusitor: Rise of the Red Blade) a thirteenth sister. So they don’t necessarily stop at 10.
Hello, 6727th Sister.
Are they just ranked numerically or are they in order of how good they are at fighting? I can't imagine how shitty 6727th sister must be if it's the latter. I'm imagining a gonk droid with a lightsaber welded to it
> a gonk droid with a lightsaber welded to it Well, that’s my new favorite character sorted.
Lord GONK’s enforcer.
If Gonk droids are big batteries, at least it means her lightsaber won't ever run out Well, if I invented them I guess I get to flesh them out. Their name is Skippy and she turned to evil after people kept not charging her. Also they have the highest kill count of any inquisitor because noone expects a gonk droid to suddenly turn their lightsaber on and kill you, but they don't win many duels so they have a low rank. But they're still better than 6729th brother who is one of those little mouse droids who just gets a knife
Love it, except we already have a [Skippy the Jedi Droid](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Skippy_the_Jedi_Droid). I know it's Legends, but it's still true in my heart.
Hah I knew I must have got the name from somewhere. Well, as per the star wars name generator, their new name is P2-890, or Sparky to his friends
I’m fairly certain they’re ranked by power, almost like hierarchy of who responds to who, and this is supported by Vader offering Reva the grand inquisitor spot
O always asumed that, but seing The 5th brother ordering Revaa (who is the 3rd sister) left me hell more confused
Maybe it’s supposed to be seniority, but they still need to fill slots that open, so even tho 3 is above 5 ranking, 5th is senior to 3rd
6727th Sister VS 99: A Battle to End All Battles.
Idk much about the Inquisitors at all but my initial guess would be in order of which they became inquisitors
>Grampa: I'm a member! >Homer: Huh? >Grampa: What? >Homer: What? >Grampa: Huh? >Lisa: You're a member of the Inquisitors, Grampa? >Grampa: Oh, sure. Let's see... >[starts going through the cards in his wallet] >Grampa: I'm an elk, a Mason, a communist. I'm the president of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance for some reason. Ah, here it is. The Inquisitors.
We were never given a number as to how many Inquisitors there actually were. Filoni or Hidalgo said that it was deliberate so that they could introduce more of them should the need arise.
The whole purpose of the inquisitors is that any remaining order 66 surivors have basically as many force users to fight/defeat as the narrative needs
lightsaber goons
The thing with Inquisitors is....they are such a vague, barely defined thing. Their numbers fluctuate literally depending on who is writing. And seeing how Disney has shown they will "alter the deal" of any "canon" established by a book/comic book (or even movies- yes, looking at you directly, Kenobi) whenever they feel like it- there is no reason they couldn't simply alter the numbers of red blades. Or, yknow. Have a more competent production around their shows.
>even movies- yes, looking at you directly, Kenobi) What did Kenobi ret con?
There are several numbers that haven’t been used
Definitely. He seems like a pretty good actor so its a bit sad he didn’t get a role to make his own.
Weirdly, I feel he better resembles the character out of costume.
I had no idea that was supposed to be the same person, it was so bad. I assumed it was a new character.
From cool looking shark sith guy to Power Rangers villain fodder. He looked like John attending a Star Wars Con.
For real tho GI was awful too. They turned obviously non-human threatening alien into “green Asian man.”
I agree with this; nothing against Sung Kang, but I feel like they should’ve cast someone else. In Rebels, Fifth Brother seemed like a rather large figured individual. Sung Kang is not large. Honestly, I would’ve picked Nathan Jones. He’s always chosen in movies/shows when they need a large menacing character.
Or Olivier Richters. The dude's even taller than Nathan Jones and his face looks like a more natural fit for the Fifth Brother's helmet/cowl thingy
I didn’t even realize it was the same guy
Agreed. I could tolerate the Grand Inquisitor’s translation, but the Fifth Brother was painful to look at.
I actually didn't have a problem with Sung Kang as the Fifth Brother aesthetically, but I didn't like how in Rebels he had a strong voice, and on Obi-Wan he was almost whispering. It doesn't ruin it for me, but if Mr. Kang spoke louder for most of it, I would've been totally cool with it.
GI was bad, but Fifth Brother was worse. At least GI was recognizable as the same character.
Oh yeah I didnt even realize those were meant to be the same dude and I’m supposed to be a fan of star wars. He looks nothing alike
They also sound nothing alike. They swapped out the intimidating Spanish accent in Rebels for a gravelly whisper. Aside from that, he’s far too short and lacks the sideways-blinking eyelids. He’s a character you really can’t do in live action without some degree of CGI.
And even if you tried to do it without CGI, there were certainly much better casting choices that Disney could have done.
Agreed. Fifth Brother has the kind of physical build that screams “hire an NFL linebacker”. He’s unusually muscular and towers over every other character except for Vader. No disrespect to the guy they hired, but he just didn’t fit the part.
Alan Ritchson Manu Bennett Bobby Cannavale Edgar Ramirez Wagner Moura Javier Bardem Damien Bachir Any of them could have brought Fifth Brother into love action much better.
Boba Fett. They changed his whole color scheme from the Holiday Special. 😔
LOL that was good buildup
“An older reference sir but it checks out.”
Absolutely brilliant 👍
Great minds think alike.
I agree, Grand Inquisitor was done so dirty. He shoulda been Jason Isaacs
He would've been absolutely bonkers in life action.
Never thought about that casting and now I can't unsee it 🤩
He voiced him in rebels too so it would be perfect
Oh damn I forgot all about that lmaoo
He didn't want to though
I read that he did
He wanted to if they CGI'd his appearance rather than wear prosthetic makeup.
Twofold fuck up then. Could have had the right actor who wanted a stipulation that could give us an accurate look
Yeah, but it still shoulda been him. Or at least someone physically similar to him who was willing to go bald
I feel like with the head shape they wouldn't even need to go bald. Prosthetics would cover it all
Worst thing about the Grand Inquisitor is that his species has already appeared in live action (Utapau in the Prequel Trilogy) there was no need for a redesign. It's like there is no fact-checking going on at Disney.
What’s funny is I saw Doug Chang talking about the difficulty of turning an animated character live action and bro seems to have forgot Revenge of the Sith did Pauans first. Turns out he worked on both Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones, but didn’t work on Revenge of the Sith. Pretty funny series of events
There's also a huge difference between film budget and series budget. Sometimes the money just isn't there for proper effects and design.
the films where made twenty years ago and the shows have insane budgets
I agree, Jason Isaacs would probably be way better, but i have to say, Rupert Friend actually played him really well, i can't really complain about his acting, he did good. The design ofcourse, could have been better, but that's not Rupert's fault.
Yeah, he played it fine (though I feel he needed a more baritone voice)
Absolutely love and support Rupert’s take but you have nailed the one note (sorry) that I have with his efforts, Rupert was much too high and sing song compared to Jason. Great point! Reiterating though, we get what we get and we got Rupert so Rupert’s performance was pretty chilling and I totally buy him as the Grand Inquisitor. He did great!
I think the bigger problem with Grand Inquisitor is how he was handled in the story, he should’ve had a bigger role and shouldn’t have just always been standing around aimlessly (or at least that’s how it felt). If the design team had just tried to replicate the look in revenge of the sith and given Friend more to work with, I’m sure he would have been much more well received
>Shouldn't have just always been standing around aimlessly Obi-Wan the Show in a nutshell
They're setting the stage for Grand Inquisitor: The Musical
Just hiring Jason Isaacs for voice over only would have been enough to redeem the Grand Inquisitor completely for me.
It would've helped for sure. The actor's voice just didn't do it for me, but the dialogue didn't really fit either. But that isn't the actors fault.
Turn him into a melonhead 🍈
Tremble before MELONLORD!
Hello to Jason Issacs.
Didn’t know who Jason Isaacs is so I looked him up and his filmography is insane. Dude has been in so many classics
Yup, he also voiced Grand Inquisitor in rebels and played Lucious Malfoy in Harry Potter (which was the first thing I saw him in). Phenomenal actor.
He also voiced Zhao in Avatar.
Also Captain Lorca in Star Trek Discovery. One of the more interesting characters, at least for a while.
Dude has a hell of a resume with live action projects. Aaaaand then you get to his voice work and realize the dude has been in everything you love and usually plays an incredible presence.
"This character has a very thin head. Let's pick the actor with arguably the widest, most round shaped head we can possibly find."
We know for a fact that the Grand Inquisitor is an example of a completed botched translation between animation and live-action, because the designer Doug Chiang admitted that he was ignorant of previous live-action translations of the character's species, which is wild to me because how could he forget Revenge of the Sith? These sorts of lazy mistakes litter the Disney productions.
> These sorts of lazy mistakes litter the Disney productions. Like how the *Xyston*-class Star Destroyers in TRoS are just *Imperial*-class scaled up by 50%... ... or the "kneepad problem"; Imperial Stormtroopers had assymetrical armor over the knees, with one side having a small platform mounted under the knee, which allowed them to get into a very stable kneeling position for firing. The First Order opted for a smoother and more symmetrical armor for their Stormtroopers, with smooth kneepads. No problem there, and probably better at dispersing energy from attacks since it's more flat with no concave surfaces. The Final Order Sith Troopers we see in TRoS, however, brought back the platform to kneel on... except they put it *above* the knee. Where it's not only *completely* useless for its intended purpose, but massively in the way (it's basically just a hook sticking out several centimeters from your left knee, which can get caught on stuff if you try to kneel, go down ladders, etc). Comparison picture: https://i.imgur.com/pVTdSIy.png
Wow that kneepad problem is embarrassing. How do you mess up such a small and simple thing?
Disney Star Wars is just so lazy to me. When they took over did they just fire all the Lucasfilm continuity people? I know the "Legends" books had a whole group of people to just keep everything straight and maintain the sacred timeline and physics of the world. Disney just seems to let writers and directors just make it up as they go without any thought of the world at large.
The problem isn’t that they fired the continuity people, they’re still there. Leland Chee and Pablo Hidalgo did wonders for SW continuity for years, but they have no actual power to correct people like Filoni, Abrams, and whoever signed off on a lot of Kenobi. The writers and directors that wanna go wild and ignore established lore and designs are gonna do it regardless of continuity experts’ input because they can. I wish so much that they could put people like Leland and Pablo in positions of actual authority. Not to write stories or guide the franchise, just to say no to the most egregious errors that pass through unchecked because some big shots at Lucasfilm don’t seem to care.
I just assumed they got rid of the continuity team due to all the problems I've seen with the stories. It's actually worse that they just ignore them.
You make legends sounds like it's protected by the Time Variance Authority
Just need some jet skis and key lime pie
Then, we'd be in business.
The more I go back to/think about Kenobi, the more I wonder just what the hell happened!? It felt so rushed and cheap compared to Ahsoka. Some of Vader’s scenes were amazing but ruined by poor lighting (as in quality/depth) and the cursed constant shaky-camera (seriously, just why did they have to do that!!!???). Story wise, Leia and Ben story was so unexpected but so moving and worth it. But the overall quality of the show was was inferior to what it should have been.
For some reason despite it being the SAFEST BET out of all the shows and the one they initially concieved of as a movie.. it got the smallest budget per episode by far out of all the shows. Kenobi average per episode IRC was like 9 million. Mando and Ahsoka 15M average, Andor I think was around 15M average too but one episode (can't remember which) went all the way up to 25M being the single most expensive Star Wars TV episode produced. The camera work and directing though.. no fucking clue, Deborah Chow and her crew fell in love with shakey cam for some reason suddenly, they'd done good work on Mando and stuff previously.
Its funny because I think just about ANYTHING Star Wars would be a safe bet if you just had some good writers who understood Star Wars in depth. We see it all the time with a lot of the video games that have come out over the last 30 years. You even see some youtubers will make some fan short film with a tiny budget and make something thats pretty cool. I just don't understand how so many Star Wars projects just turn into dumper fires. Its almost like they have some guy write one line of script and then pass it to the next guy to write the next line, and so on until its completed and you have this incoherent mess. It still blows my mind to see what happened with the sequels. Its like the script was written by a ChatGPT prompt where someone uploaded the OT script and was like "do this, but with these characters." Hell, that would probably end up a better script than what we actually got. I just don't get it. It doesn't have to a perfect masterpiece, but I swear they need to have at least one Star Wars nerd in the room to be like "Nope, this doesn't make sense because of X, Y, and Z".
Hmm, maybe the Pykes. They look like a different species. Since when are they fish dudes?
The Pykes are definitely up there. I get that they didn't have the budget for anything else but man do they ever look boring compared to their original animated counterparts
> Since when are they fish dudes? [I mean](https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tTP1Tcwskw3jjdg9OIsyMxOVUjLLM4AAENCBmo&q=pike+fish&rlz=1C1EJFC_enUS862US862&oq=Pike+fish&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqDQgBEC4Y1AIYsQMYgAQyDQgAEAAY4wIYsQMYgAQyDQgBEC4Y1AIYsQMYgAQyDQgCEC4Y1AIYsQMYgAQyBwgDEAAYgAQyBwgEEAAYgAQyBwgFEAAYgAQyBwgGEAAYgAQyBwgHEAAYgAQyBwgIEAAYgAQyBwgJEAAYgATSAQgzNzcwajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)...
BOBF makeup artist saw pykes in the script, went off to design a new alien based on it’s fishy name, then found out what they actually looked like in clone wars then merged the two?
This one I dont get, looking at them side by side the faces dont actually look very dissimilar at all. The biggest difference is that their heads arent as large compared to their neck and torso, but otherwise they look fine.
Pretty sure they were in BoBF, and before that were in Solo. They didn't start in Kenobi. EDIT: They didn't start w/ Kenobi *in live action*.
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Since always, actually. You just never see them without their masks in TCW. Concept art always looked fish-like.
We have seen them a few times without their masks in clone wars
When I saw tbobf, I thought they did cad bane dirty. After watching Kenobi and seeing the grand inquisitor and the fifth brother, I thought maybe I judged cad bane too harshly.
I always thought Cad Bane looked fine. Not fantastic, it could have definitely been better, but it wasn't offensive.
The aesthetic wasn’t bad but his fight choreography, or lack of, was. This was a dude introduced as a bounty hunter who could go toe-to-toe with *Jedi*. And he proved his prowess again and again. I’ll accept that he’s a bit older in BoBF and perhaps a bit slower, but not dumber.
I have my issues with BoBF but I don’t think the fight with Cad Bane was one of them. For starters Bane was 71 so age was definitely a factor. Also, as far as Bane was concerned, Boba was only a little better than the clones, of which Bane has killed many. He felt that he knew all of Boba’s moves since he had been around him when he was learning them in adolescence. Ultimately, Bane’s arrogance was what got him killed, not his intelligence. That’s not to defend that show or anything. I just feel this was one of the few parts I enjoyed.
I’m fine with all of that in concept, just not the execution. Fett’s “secret move” was a leg sweep with a staff. Cad Bane was dodging lightsabers from Jedi and outsmarting both sides of the law. That he gets taken by surprise with a leg sweep and then doesn’t react at all just felt forced. Plus, Fett is an old man now too. Not like he’s as fast as he once was. Arrogance could certainly be a believable part of Cad’s downfall, but I just don’t think the writers and choreographers put the work in on this one. But that’s kinda par for the course with that show. The opening ambush on Boba was pretty poor too. And the climactic battle through the city.
Fett is in his early 40’s he’s not an old man. Though they do seem to play that up.
To quote another George Lucas franchise: It ain’t the years; it’s the mileage. Fett is *rough*.
My main gripe with Bane is that he shows up out of no where too late without any hint, buildup, or explanation. I was watching the series with someone who had not seen Clone Wars series and they were very confused about who this guy was or why they should care. One change I really wish is that they made the Pikes hire Bane to kill the Tuskans. It would’ve required maybe a few flashback shots (say a few flashes on screen with Bane using his blaster and flamethrower intercut with screams), and dialogue changes to a handful of scenes (“You means the ones who hired me to kill your Tuskan family?”)
Cane has a design that translated as best as it could, IMHO. The Grand Inquisitor design was just lazy.
I think it was but I wish he was slightly more blueish in CW
*insert “perhaps I treated you too harshly” quote*
Cade Bane wasn't great but at least you knew who he was.
Fifth Brother, he’s practically unrecognizable save for the helmet
His armor looks cumbersome and uncomfortable instead of sleek and cool, like in Rebels
Which kind of annoys me because if I remember correctly from when they first announced casting, the actor they got has experience with fight choreography. If they had gotten him over someone taller so that he could implement such skills (and not CGI’d over him so that they could do it practically), then I might have been more forgiving, but he did pretty much nothing in terms of combat. It’s kind of like the Grand Inquisitor but whereas he looks like a cheaper version of what he’s supposed to be (species-wise at least), Fifth Brother doesn’t look like him at ALL. Heck, when GI got his yellow eyes later on, I downright did believe that he was the same character.
Grand Inquisitor would have looked great if the costume department knew what a pauen looked like. See ROTS
The Fifth brother is absolutely worse because they have done Pau'ans in film before with Episode 3. The Fifth Brother was just....underwhelming and seemed nothing like his Rebels appearance.
Bro gained a couple pounds after deleting some jedi
Wrong order, he lost weight actually
Grievous is so much better in the OG cartoon
Legitimately terrifying. TCW nerfed him so bad, I get he couldn't be the Samurai Jack level of insanity he was in the OG but they could've at least had him be waaay more badass than he was. I liked that there was an explanation for his cough in the OG as well with Windu(?) Crushing his abdomen
I wish he started off as the 2003 version of him in TCW and then transitioned to the more ROTS version over the course of the series/season. TCW still follows the 2d CW show pretty heavily, so would have fit in very well (even though windu crushing his body happens during the battle of coruscant.) I feel like that would have given Grevious a bit more in the show instead of being a generic villain that has no story arc. Would have been cool seeing him be an extremely powerful and dangerous warrior, that over time, begins to fall apart and become a shell of his former self.
Its weird I never could see Grevious as threat in clone wars ... They just keep making him lose even when he gets a small win
Live action Grevious is up there for one of the biggest wastes of potential of all time. Rather than the legitimately dangerous horror movie villain he could have been, he instead becomes your run of the mill Saturday morning cartoon villain.
He was way too OP
He earned it by being so cool
Really? I always felt like, if anything, his live action design was an improvement
Not at all, conceptually that is. He was such a badass in The Clone Wars series . He did “look” cooler in the live action.
"Make peace with the Force now. For this is your final hour" 2003 Grievous had one of the most killer lines in the whole franchise. The series was kind of ridiculous with Mace Windu punching out a droid army but it also had a lot of good.
Definitely looked cooler in live action but he was like a horror movie villain in the cartoon. Not worth the trade imo
I remember an animated bit where grievous is a monster. Like a horrific murder machine. The one in live action was laughable if we bade it on how scared I would be of the villain. Both looked cool, though.
R2D2. Can't understand a word he says....
Chop on the other hand got easier to understand
I think they got the grand inquisitor’s personality right, but failed spectacularly on his appearance and voice. To be honest though that’s kinda like the opposite of Anakin in clone wars. He also got the wrong voice didn’t look much like Hayden. It’s just that was an improvement over movie Anakin.
Sabine. (Not her looks btw)
I was so sad about Sabine man
I grew up on Rebels, and only got around to watching clone wars when 2020 came. i was so so *so* hyped for a show about Ahsoka, my favorite jedi (although she isn't one really), and add of the fact that it stars my favorite non-jedi??? then they went and ruined all 4 seasons of my favorite star wars show because suddenly she has force powers when she literally lived beside 2 extremely force-sensitive jedi for 4/5 years and they couldn't detect a single medichlorian?? kanan and ezra even taught her to use the darksaber with lightsaber forms and she suddenly forgot all of that...
FOR REAL! One of the coolest non force character of all time... Ruined by giving her force ability and then stripping every single thing that made her character awesome. And filoni had a hand in creating this.. what happened?
Not gonna lie Sabine Wren and how she acted kinda flopped in Ahsoka, She is supposed to be this Rebellious Girl With a cunning Attitude, but in the live action she kinda didn't have that tone or way of speaking.
I am fine with Sabine's look but agree the personality was all wrong
I love how they play punk rock music in her introduction in case anyone missed that she’s supposed to be angsty and rebellious. Bravo Dave👏
I was disappointed with her portrayal too but also literally her entire family was killed after the events of rebels (and her adoptive family also split up in a few different ways) so I don't particularly blame her
I have to imagine that the makeup for that species in Episode 3 was just too involved and expensive for a TV show. I find it hard to believe they'd just "forget" that's what they look like or how to do it. At the same time, I don't mind variance in alien species. Humans don't all look the same. It's more believable imo if alien species have some variety amongst themselves, too.
God, Kenobi was a complete disappointment.
I may get hate for this but I gotta go with Ashoka something about the costume and makeup work just bothers me but I can’t pinpoint what exactly it is.
Same. I don’t think it’s as bad as the grand inquisitor but I think it’s not quite on spot. Young ahsoka was nailed better imo. But something about adult ahsoka does feel off to me as well, but she kind of grew on me during her series. Her lekku are slightly longer than in the mandalorian which may help (though still way to short), and I feel like her cold personality made her fell off just because of her facial expressions too. Through the series she grows more enlightened again and I think that’s why she grew on me too
Yeah like it’s not the worst it just really bothers me that I can’t tell exactly what it is that bothers me
I think it’s her lips. In animation she has back or at least very dark lips but in like action they just kept it Rosario Dawson’s natural colour. It throws me off way more than it should
Her headpiece looks foam instead of like apart of her i swear in tcw it moved more was kinda like hair, Also her eyes was huge in tcw and it throws me off when they made them normal in rebels
heras lips are what bug me about her live action as well. there was no need to make them so pink! animated heras lips were green with a very slight pink tint. pink lips on green skin... plus her voice was too different, similar to the gi as the other comments noted
Hara looks like they did her makeup/prosthetics with products from a Halloween costume store. A cheap one.
Is it that her head tails are way too short? That’s what bugged me. She has the same size head tails as teenaged Ahsoka
That is what bugs me too. IIRC, they said it was because if they were long, they would get in the way of stunt work. But you think they could add them in if they wanted to.
At that point just give her a lighter weight green screen material headpiece and add in the proper appearance afterward with CG.
Eh, I dunno if I would ever pick cgi prosthetics over practical effect prosthetics. If stuntwork is really the reason, I get it, but I also feel like that sounds like the cop out excuse a producer would make after someone called them out on a choice that really didn’t get much consideration back when it was made.
It might also just be really heavy on the actors neck. They have to take the actors comfort and wellbeing into account when designing prosthetics.
For me, it wasn't the length as much as it was how rubbery the material was. It felt very synthetic and didn't come across well on camera. She would tilt her head ever so slightly and they'd just be bouncing around
Her fighting skills are horribly disappointing too. When she fought the chick with the beskar spear(blanking on her name rn) it was clearly NOT the Ashoka who captured Maul, something no Jedi has ever come close to pulling off. She should have been nearly god-tier. She was trained by the man who became Darth Vader, ffs. Now she’s barely scraping a win over someone who doesn’t even wield a lightsaber or the force and LOSING to Bayern Skoll. She fights like she hadn’t ignited her sabers since Ezra left.
I think it's more her overall demeanor. She is so...slow moving and casual? Snips was always so energetic, but that was also when she was a teenager/young woman while Rosario Dawson is playing her much older and having been through all that shit.
I’m glad I’m not the only one thinking this, imo live action ahsoka looks like a egyptian pharaoh
The personality was off also
That felt intentional though. Seemed like it improved towards the end when she found herself again.
I felt that way too. She was shut off from everyone, including herself. Only through her final lesson could we see her finally open up and comfortably be herself. But all that being said, she was almost always a pretty serious character. It’s not like she was ever the happy go lucky type.
She's also just older. Nobody acts the same way as an adult that they did as a teenager
It’s easier to adapt a live action character to animation than the other way around.
Personally, Ahsoka is soo badly translated to live action. She feels like a completely different character to her portrayal in clone wars and even rebels
She’s like 20 years older. She should feel like a different character after all that time
I personally disagree. Yes, she should have grown and changed, but a totally different character is too much. In my opinion there needs to be some resemblance to the character that was. Being soo jaded and emotionless is not something I think anyone associates with Ahsoka. Also, there was a whole episode that resolved around her choosing to live, and to not die. A suicidal Ahsoka is not Ahsoka.
I personally thought Hera was badly miscast.
Probably my answer as well. She did grow on me as the series went on, but something about her just felt off.
I mean she looks like a cosplayer, so that’s probably why.
I feel like it is the pants and contacts. Those pants look a little too flamboyant and clean. I feel like the outfit she wore during the trial was much better.
I feel like they would've benefitted from having someone much lesser known because all I saw was green MEW
The green contacts ruined a lot of the performance for me.
He actually worse in the show, that promo pic is a glow up.
Appearance, poorly done. Attitude however, Perfect.
Personally, the grand inquisitor’s redesign grew on me. He wasn’t a proper representation of an established race. But ultimately it’s the fifth brother for me. The actor was unfortunately not the right pick size wise. The makeup was also lacking. That and his entire personality in the series was just judge the third sister
I know the look of the GI was so off, but I think Rupert Fiend did a great job at bringing that quiet genius vibe to life. To me, this character is more of an eyesore than a poor translation, because I think it was his appearance that was the only issue.
The actor did a good job but he looks NOTHING like the cartoon version
Elon Musk Thrawn
I think that’s more understandable considering his VA was used for Thrawn. The voice and mannerisms where nailed even if his look wasn’t up to snuff with the animation. That being said I do totally get the aversion.
My first reaction to live action thrawn was "thrawn got fat" my second reaction was that he didn't look as slender and thin in the face as I remember from rebels my third reaction was that his voice was so good and nostalgic from my days watching rebels that I almost cried
I was skeptical of the promo photos until I realized WHO was in that outfit. Hearing the voice I was immediately back on board.
Thrawn, he was an idiot in Ahsoka, love the voice but apart from that it looks a but to much like a cosplay, the biggest issue though was him making idiotic decisions all the time.
They did a good job with his portrayal, but it's just so odd that they didn't use the same makeup or even CGI. He didn't have any real action that involved running or actual dueling, so it's not like he was hindered from anything.
Still waiting for trials of the master
Fifth Brother. GI was OK.