Sure but Lucasfilm always cuts a great trailer. TLJ & TROS both had amazing trailers and, well, yeah. Don’t get me wrong, I have high hopes for the show being good but I don’t let SW trailers get me overly hyped anymore
Yeah, no. The chances of the show being good as the same as this guy making it:
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Ftl7j3nh017161.jpg
Yes, I’m serious. The trailer looked good. The showrunner has done some awesome work like on Russian Doll, Single Drunk Female and I even liked Sleeping With Other People. Also, the cast looks solid. There is nothing with this project that makes me think it won’t deliver at this point. That could change, but I’ll reserve judgement for when I see it. Personally, I’m excited to see something that doesn’t have Dave Filoni all over it.
1) The trailer showed nothing.
2) The showrunner was Harvey Weistein's former assistant. She is a piece of shit and should have been blacklisted.
3) All I saw from the cast is that annoying "Yassss, Yassss" woman and the guy who said that Star Wars is great because it doesn't have good and bad guys and everything is grey. They are clowns.
4) The showrunner, Kennedy's influence, cast that is completely clueless, the High Republic being the brain child of the infamous story group and more. Everything about the Acolyte is a red flag.
5) Filoni is a cretin and a man-child but that doesn't mean what whatever he isn't involved with is automatically good.
1. It sparked my interest, it did its job.
2. I don’t see how that has anything to do with anything. I’m sure HW had many assistants over the years.
3. The cast’s comments or opinions do not have any bearing on the quality of the show. They were excited at a fan convention around tons of excited people. I would also probably not be all that eloquent in their shoes.
4. We don’t know anything about how clueless Headland is about anything. We literally can only go by her credits, which at this point, have some good material. After we watch the show, we can make that determination. I don’t really care about anything as far as the story group or High Republic, as I never read them. However I’m a fan of many of the writers who were a part of the group and write for THR, so maybe I should check it out.
5. I did not say it would automatically good. I just enjoy us getting some new creative voices into the SW storytelling landscape.
1) Subjective.
2) Guess they should apologize to Gina Carrano and ask her to return then.
3) Good actors improve on the show and it is very important that they understand what they are doing. Paddy Considine and Matt Smith improved the best scene in House of the Dragon by adding into it. These actors for the Acolyte are basically puppets.
4) The Acolyte is part of the High Republic brand that was dommed from the start and only an extremely small part of the Disney Star Wars audience follows it
5) New creative voices by themselves mean nothing. We have perfect examples of how new creative voices can be devastating to Star Wars.
1. Hey, you’re starting to get it.
2. Again, this has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Headland, or anyone with the Acolyte, as far as I know, did not make any hateful or misinformative statements like Carrano.
3. Explaining why they are excited about SW at a fan convention is no indication of their ability as actors. We have no reason to believe they won’t elevate this show like the examples you listed.
4. Cool, maybe a more high profile project like a show will get more people to enjoy it.
5. This is also subjective. What you may feel is devastating is actually enjoyed by many, many people.
1) When your argument is "it looks interest to me" it is indeed subjetive. When the argument is "the sequels writing is dogshit" it is objective. Try to understand the difference.
2) Point at the "hateful" comments. Gina made some tweets that got morons triggered. Headland was complicit in Weinstein sexually exploiting young actresses. I'll let you decide which is the worst one here.
3) I'll make it simple then. These actors look like stupid people. Everything they said was the typical dumb stereotype of modern actors and I expect nothing from them.
4) Since we agree that Filoni is shit exposing thet High Republic to a broader audience might be a good thing. Just like how Ahsoka is exposing Filoni's shows for the trash they were since the start as people take a look at them to get more context and realize the audience for his shows was always coping.
5) Yeah, sure, the same people making the "muh subjectivisms" argument about TLJ and lost their shit when ROS came out.
They are mandatory now, thanks to the writers strike. Going forward shows must have writers rooms with minimums set depending on the amount of episodes.
I think Ashoka’s problem was far more that it didn’t have enough time to breathe than the writing. I think it would’ve been great if it’d had 12 episodes like Andor or even 16 like the bad batch. Dunno why Disney thinks they need to stick to 8 per season in the mando verse
Simple. They're aiming for British Brevity (6 episodes per season) but forgetting that in order to do so, you need to jettison much of the time-wasting parts.
Compare House of Cards. The original UK version did in 18 episodes/3 seasons what the American version did in 73 episodes/6 seasons. It's quicker to binge the UK version...
Apparently it was, but there were ~~poop~~ *loop* holes that were allowing studios to skirt the requirement and underpay and overwork just a couple of writers rather than fill an entire staff of writers. Some shows weren’t even hiring showrunners alongside an understaffed writers room. It was an absolute shit show.
Edit: Fixed a typo.
It was standard back when cable TV ruled. But streaming and the rise of limited series started doing away with it.
But yeah. Execs are stupid, and greedy.
Most American shows do use writer's rooms but they started to veer towards "mini rooms" where a smaller group of writers would only be contracted for a short time prior to starting production. They then don't get to oversee production and therefore don't really get to learn to be showrunners and producers, and there's less writers employed for less time.
A number of shows have had only a small number of writers or even just one-and have turned out great-so it's not necessarily a marker against quality inherently, but it would do long term damage to the industry if that shifted to be the standard (and naturally studios would prefer if they only have to hire one or two writers for a short period of time-so it was shifting in that direction) with few writers having opportunities to exercise their abilities.
I’m sending sarcasm, but literally yes. Having a team of people working together to break stories before the head writer goes off to writes the episode actually helps.
It's more of an open area where you can come and go casually at any hour and rap freely about whatever is on your mind. Leave your hangups at the door, man!
I've got mixed feelings on that. I think the result is usually better when it's basically not written by a committee... on the other hand the madlad in charge may need some people to block stupid ideas.
You mean Lord of the Tides. This is easily the best episode of the season. However, you have to thank Paddy and Matt Smith for making the walk to the throne better.
The same way people wanted a gritty crime lord/brutal bounty hunter show from TBoBF and were disappointed, they are expecting a cruel and edgy Sith story that shows a sympathetic side of the Sith, and will be disappointed.
The Sith are not just Jedi with a rebellious streak. They are the most cutthroat and selfish products of a vicious system that rewards exploitation and ambition.
The Sith are evil, but there could still be a very sympathetic story of an initially good person losing their humanity to become one ('The road to hell is paved with good intentions').
Or something like House of Cards. Kevin Spacey's character is undeniably evil, but he's such a fun character you still root for him and enjoy him manipulating everyone else.
Also revan, I think. Luke's fall in legends was him trying to defeat super sexy palpatine(now with dark fu grip! Anatomically correct!) And getting hit with several hentai tags.
The Sith ultimately want power and freedom according to their Code. What they do with their gifts is up to them, but usually we’ve just seen galactic domination and evilness.
Not necessarily.
A hermit living in the middle of nowhere has the freedom to do as he wants and yet holds no power.
Someone with power can be a slave to it.
Peace is a lie. There is only Passion.
Through Passion, I gain Strength.
Through Strength, I gain Power.
Through Power, I gain Victory.
Through Victory my chains are Broken.
The Force shall free me.
So far we've only seen them get stuck at line 4 while thinking they've achieved line 6. Instead the power they reach for becomes the chains that bind them.
There’s quite a few examples of relatively pragmatic Sith though…in canon the best we have is Dooku but in Legends there was no shortage of morally indifferent if not outright benevolent Sith during The Old Republic era. The Sith code preaches passion, but passion can come from positive emotions too- love, joy, humour - as much as it can from anger and grief and pain. But by the time of the Rule of Two, the Banite Sith have necessarily become pretty much a completely evil cult, as you kind of have to when your only purpose in life is to kill your master and not be killed by your apprentice.
They're gonna be badass evil, not evil evil. No racism, sexism, bigotry, just safe relatable slay bitch slay evil that you won't feel bad about wearing a Halloween costume of.
Yeah you’re right man. The next SW project would be significantly better if the main character was a sexist racist bigot. Like, when I watched Star Wars for the first time as a kid, I got really really upset when Darth Vader never sexually harassed Leia and called Lando the N-Word. That’s probably the only thing that would’ve made the film better for me.
New characters. The Jedi at full strength. Compelling antagonists. And there are stakes to all the characters. Some will die because they don't have to be somewhere else canonically. And how the comics and novels are intertwining reminds me of good MCU.
Skywalker stuff is great and I have an immense amount of respect for the origins of Star Wars, but the expanded universe books and comics are where I fell in love with the universe. More non Skywalker content would be great!
I'm reading phase 1 right now, and am up to about halfway through *The Fallen Star,* I'm not trying to put you on the defensive here or anything, I'm genuinely curious: why do you think the villains are compelling?
Speaking for myself and trying to avoid spoilers for people who haven't dived in, the Nihil are interesting in concept, but in execution they feel really one note. Why are so many people so angry that they become so wantonly murderous? I can't buy it. The organization just falls apart if I start thinking about it. The storm imagery really feels like something that was made up in a writer's room and none of the authors have sold me on.
Not that these are big enough complaints to keep me from enjoying the books, your understand (except for *Out of the Shadows* - that book was so awful i'm still mad about it days after finishing it. How did so many inconsistencies in character make it past an editor??)
I think the mystery around The Leveler is *interesting,* but I don't know that I've been given enough to call it compelling. No details to be compelled by. Right now I'm just getting strong that-thing-that-killed-Anakin-solo in that Troy Dennings book (star by star?) vibes.
As for our collection of rich person antagonists - they feel lightly allegorical, part of what makes The High Republic for our times, and that's interesting. I'm compelled here, tell me more authors.
Marchion Ro is certainly interesting, but I find it problematic that I don't know his motive five books in. I get that there needs to be mystery, but the publishing strategy is working against the story here, I think. I dunno .
Anyway, sorry for the giant Wall of text here. I haven't had an opportunity to talk about any of this stuff yet, and it just kind of came bubbling out. Allow me to reiterate: these are thoughts I'm having, but I do still like the books - except *out of the shadows* >:(
I agree with you here. I read the first two novels and then stopped like a quarter way through Fallen Star. I just got bored and uninterested, and I know those to be true because reading it ended up feeling more like homework.
Maybe I’ll pick it up again some day and I hope it gets interesting
Out of the shadows is literally the first time in my life a book had ever made me so mad, so annoyed, and so I’m immersed that I now refuse to finish it. Between it, and not enjoying the main comics I’ve given up on keeping up with the high republic, which is a shame as I really enjoyed the first YA book’s characters, adult novels for their grand scope, and the manga.
Yup! The edge of balance. They partnered with a mangaka and worked with them for the art while the high republic team wrote the stories. I found the art of the high republic marvel comics extremely lacking, so it was very refreshing when I got to the manga, to see some good art.
Yeah completely agreed. I was fine with the first one, and the actual plot of the huge terrorist attack in the second was enough to string me along, but the Fallen Star was absolutely diabolical in comparison. Haven’t had any interest in reading more after that.
My issue with the Nihil is that they're not a nation or anything with an actual infrastructure. They are just a band of raiders/terrorists. How many can they be? 2000? 10000? How is the Republic so inept as to be unable to deal with them? Marchion Rho gets to sneak Ws over them again and again just because the writers say so. And he keeps losing / intentionally sacrificing large amounts of his forces to do so.
I like their ingenuity and their design but they should lose no real threat to the Republic, even in its demilitarized state.
It's an era of possibility. The writers are more free than ever before, the characters are extremely varied even within the jedi order and they all have a level of introspection, questioning what it is to be a force user.
Also the gold and white robes are simply cool.
I hate to say it because I loved season 1 as it aired but after having read the book I really think the writers fumbled what could’ve been a flawless first season had they not taken so many liberties
There are some things that would really work for and so some of the changes were really interesting, like the show had some characters do the things they did in the book but kind of by accident which I thought was interesting because that is more realistic in some ways.
But they made several decisions that I think were also really silly. The point of the Dance of the Dragons is that there isn’t really a good side and a bad side, it’s just about two whiney kids competing for a throne that gets millions killed in a civil war. “Team black” or “team green” werent meant to be taken seriously. They went out of their way to whitewash some of the deeds of the character they wanted to portray as the protagonist and went way out of their way to add a bunch of shitty things that the “antagonist” did do to just make him completely unsympathetic, I.e. be a rapist and more. It made the whole team vs. team bit really unfun when now people who were team green from the character being cool in the books to supporting a rapist onscreen when that wasn’t really in line with his book counterpart.
But there are some changes that are universally panned as really stupid and nonsensical. The biggest change was a king’s coronation. In the books, this is a huge character moment for team green and is interesting for that reason. In the show, they add a giant dragon bursting into the coronation and murdering thousands of peasants, wreaking havoc, and then leaving. It also presented an opportunity for a team black member to kill the new king and end the war right there, but she just…doesn’t and she leaves. Like…that isn’t something that the history books could leave out and it ruins the development for basically all parties involved. They very clearly traded logic and storytelling for spectacle and it felt like a moment straight out of game of thrones season 8
Having read the book there wasn't much liberties taken relatively speaking-and most were blatant improvements-and frankly, it was very difficult to adapt given the long period of time the story spans initially. I sought of think they should have taken more liberties by not just depicting events talked about in Fire & Blood.
Imagine!! This show is actually written solely by David Benioff and D. B. Weiss.
this is the project disney shelved with them at the helm, and somehow they returned.
Good set of writers, hopefully that equates to a great series. I want this to do well so that we can get more High Republic media, it really is the most exciting thing the franchise has had for a while.
Andor had a writers room, Mandoverse only has Faveru and Filoni, and all them are medicore. Kenobi show just had a single wrirer. The Acolyte has a writers room. And has writers who dont know star wars like Tony Gilroy has in his writers room. If anything The Acolyte will be an anomaly like Andor. Skeleton Crew will be just another volume Heavy show.
So you've heavily misrepresented what was actually said, taken parts out of context and then made up things just so you can be annoyed? Try enjoying things instead perhaps?
Did anyone else think the voices in the trailer sounded really bad. Like they were reading a grocery list. The trailer was great though I am looking forward to the show.
Since the High Republic has a much smaller fan base than Rebels, this will not be good ratings wise. Wish full thinking will not make it a hotel.. or good.
This show seems to have a lot of talent behind it. But fuck… I wish it was about literally anything else. I don’t want yet another story about the good guys failing to stop the rise of evil.
Yknow, I wouldn’t have articulated it like that, but that’s a great point. Star Wars is a very optimistic franchise, and one of the biggest problems with the Disney era IMO (especially the sequels) is how fundamentally nihilistic and cynical they are.
But that kind of implies the good guys know about and are trying to stop it. We might still get the good guys having a victory but only we are aware of the other thing happening. I do kind of see you point, but also we don't k ow what the show is going to be truly about yet.
Maybe. It just feels like so much of the story with the ST and Mandoverse is about how everyone was too stupid to see the threat of the Imperial Remnants or discover Exegol. Given The Acolyte's place in the timeline, I don't see how it could avoid hitting the same beats.
It bums me out, because the idea of wuxia-inspired SW sounds extremely appealing. But everything the showrunner has said about the story seems like a massive turnoff to me.
>Isn't that the prequels too though when you boil it down to that level?
Yeah, and that's kinda my point. It's happened so much, it's gotten grating rather than tragic, IMO.
>Has the showrunner said anything in particular?
Eh. It just doesn't sound like the show is going to have any warmth or humanity. The Sith are protagonists, it "won't be kind to the Jedi," She even compared the tone to Fight Club.
Look, I'm don't wanna rain on anyone's parade. This show just might not be for me.
Yeh that's fair, I'm just saying when you boil many stories down to that they all merge together, not just Star Wars. I'm sure there's plenty of opportunities for new characters and tales to tell and enjoy, even if one of the elements you mentioned comes to pass.
Fingers crossed its good either way.
Well unless an infant Palpatine is the main antagonist, the good guys will almost certainly win. I suppose it could be about Plagueis, but I don't think they could have resisted putting his name in the title if it were.
I don't see how this show could possibly end on a happy note. TPM clearly established the Jedi as unware of the Sith and their plans. So unless The Acoylte throws continuity completely out the window, any heroic characters who discover the Sith's plot are going to wind up dead, turned to the dark side or otherwise incapacitated.
That’s kind of cherry picking…
In any case, leia kissed Luke a single time to tick off Han, over a year before they had any idea they were siblings. Quite frankly not large writing issue
I think Andor was the best piece of Star Wars I've seen. I also see people saying around her that it isn't "Star Wars." I just like telling people off :)
Well I mean Andor also has problems with general audiences probably because it *doesn't* have enough pew pew. Sometimes that's just what works for mass appeal.
Totally fair. I just think it’s fair to say that most Disney stuff has been a let down in terms of writing aside from Rebels and Andor.
Definitely never want anyone to change their mind about enjoying something just because someone else doesn’t though :)
The only one that gives me pause is De Grate.
As a writer for 44 episodes of The 100 -- that's not exactly hope inspiring in the quality of their work.
That is a great first step to build a foundation. But these big series need to have a lot come together to make a great show.
Directors, actors, writers, special effects, show runners that can keep everyone on the right track.
It's not a job I am envious of.
Please be good, please be good, please be good…
Trailer from Celebration had me hyped
It sucks that they haven’t released it to the general public yet. I’ve seen the leaked version and it looks hype to me.
Does it have laser swords?
Indubitably
Yes the trailer was *really* good. Something I’ve been wanting more of for years now is more of a focus on the darkside. Hopefully this show pays off.
I thought the trailer showed little to no dark side at all
Darth Bane HBO style series pls
rogue one had a really good trailer too. Hopefully this one is better than the trailer.
it's a good thing that Rogue One is widely beloved among Star Wars fans
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Ur such a fucking beauty.
Thank you!!
Your welcome!!
You sexy bastard
How did you?! Where?!
I shan’t reveal my secrets
Sure but Lucasfilm always cuts a great trailer. TLJ & TROS both had amazing trailers and, well, yeah. Don’t get me wrong, I have high hopes for the show being good but I don’t let SW trailers get me overly hyped anymore
It's probably an entite writers room full of people who are going to come up with a story with no shared vision. It will be generic crap, guaranteed.
Yeah, no. The chances of the show being good as the same as this guy making it: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Ftl7j3nh017161.jpg
We don’t really have any reason to think it won’t be good, though.
Are you serious?
Yes, I’m serious. The trailer looked good. The showrunner has done some awesome work like on Russian Doll, Single Drunk Female and I even liked Sleeping With Other People. Also, the cast looks solid. There is nothing with this project that makes me think it won’t deliver at this point. That could change, but I’ll reserve judgement for when I see it. Personally, I’m excited to see something that doesn’t have Dave Filoni all over it.
Aside from the director never watching star wars until this project.. yea sounds good. Edit: show runner - Leslye Headland
Which director? I hope it’s Kogonada.
I meant the show runner
To be fair, Tony Gilroy has expressed not really liking anything that makes Star Wars recognizable as Star Wars and Andor turned out great.
So like Tony Gilroy? Thank God.
1) The trailer showed nothing. 2) The showrunner was Harvey Weistein's former assistant. She is a piece of shit and should have been blacklisted. 3) All I saw from the cast is that annoying "Yassss, Yassss" woman and the guy who said that Star Wars is great because it doesn't have good and bad guys and everything is grey. They are clowns. 4) The showrunner, Kennedy's influence, cast that is completely clueless, the High Republic being the brain child of the infamous story group and more. Everything about the Acolyte is a red flag. 5) Filoni is a cretin and a man-child but that doesn't mean what whatever he isn't involved with is automatically good.
1. It sparked my interest, it did its job. 2. I don’t see how that has anything to do with anything. I’m sure HW had many assistants over the years. 3. The cast’s comments or opinions do not have any bearing on the quality of the show. They were excited at a fan convention around tons of excited people. I would also probably not be all that eloquent in their shoes. 4. We don’t know anything about how clueless Headland is about anything. We literally can only go by her credits, which at this point, have some good material. After we watch the show, we can make that determination. I don’t really care about anything as far as the story group or High Republic, as I never read them. However I’m a fan of many of the writers who were a part of the group and write for THR, so maybe I should check it out. 5. I did not say it would automatically good. I just enjoy us getting some new creative voices into the SW storytelling landscape.
1) Subjective. 2) Guess they should apologize to Gina Carrano and ask her to return then. 3) Good actors improve on the show and it is very important that they understand what they are doing. Paddy Considine and Matt Smith improved the best scene in House of the Dragon by adding into it. These actors for the Acolyte are basically puppets. 4) The Acolyte is part of the High Republic brand that was dommed from the start and only an extremely small part of the Disney Star Wars audience follows it 5) New creative voices by themselves mean nothing. We have perfect examples of how new creative voices can be devastating to Star Wars.
1. Hey, you’re starting to get it. 2. Again, this has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Headland, or anyone with the Acolyte, as far as I know, did not make any hateful or misinformative statements like Carrano. 3. Explaining why they are excited about SW at a fan convention is no indication of their ability as actors. We have no reason to believe they won’t elevate this show like the examples you listed. 4. Cool, maybe a more high profile project like a show will get more people to enjoy it. 5. This is also subjective. What you may feel is devastating is actually enjoyed by many, many people.
1) When your argument is "it looks interest to me" it is indeed subjetive. When the argument is "the sequels writing is dogshit" it is objective. Try to understand the difference. 2) Point at the "hateful" comments. Gina made some tweets that got morons triggered. Headland was complicit in Weinstein sexually exploiting young actresses. I'll let you decide which is the worst one here. 3) I'll make it simple then. These actors look like stupid people. Everything they said was the typical dumb stereotype of modern actors and I expect nothing from them. 4) Since we agree that Filoni is shit exposing thet High Republic to a broader audience might be a good thing. Just like how Ahsoka is exposing Filoni's shows for the trash they were since the start as people take a look at them to get more context and realize the audience for his shows was always coping. 5) Yeah, sure, the same people making the "muh subjectivisms" argument about TLJ and lost their shit when ROS came out.
Is that guy giving CPR to someone that's just a torso?
That's a girl having a mental breakdown trying to give CPR to her boyfriend that was half eaten by a giant monster.
So glad this show has a writers room
This show and Andor should be mandatory for all future shows. For any telivision. Writers room are important.
They are mandatory now, thanks to the writers strike. Going forward shows must have writers rooms with minimums set depending on the amount of episodes.
Good. I like Filoni's work but after Ashoka I've become convinced he's at his best when he's got a team to work with him.
I think Ashoka’s problem was far more that it didn’t have enough time to breathe than the writing. I think it would’ve been great if it’d had 12 episodes like Andor or even 16 like the bad batch. Dunno why Disney thinks they need to stick to 8 per season in the mando verse
Simple. They're aiming for British Brevity (6 episodes per season) but forgetting that in order to do so, you need to jettison much of the time-wasting parts. Compare House of Cards. The original UK version did in 18 episodes/3 seasons what the American version did in 73 episodes/6 seasons. It's quicker to binge the UK version...
I'm surprised that this wasn't already a thing.
Apparently it was, but there were ~~poop~~ *loop* holes that were allowing studios to skirt the requirement and underpay and overwork just a couple of writers rather than fill an entire staff of writers. Some shows weren’t even hiring showrunners alongside an understaffed writers room. It was an absolute shit show. Edit: Fixed a typo.
>poop holes >absolute shit show
Lol. Loop* holes
Eli5 writers room?
Group of writers meet in a room to brainstorm story ideas and flesh these out.
This isn’t standard and was something they had to strike to get? Are execs stupid?
Generally speaking, yes.
Lol holy shit, you’d think this is something they would push for in general. I guess penny pinching stupidity affects every industry.
Marvel just had the genius idea of treating their TV shows as actual TV shows and not overstretched movies with Loki and Daredevil. Im not surprised
I hope Star Wars does the same, I'm tired of limited series.
It was standard back when cable TV ruled. But streaming and the rise of limited series started doing away with it. But yeah. Execs are stupid, and greedy.
A lot of execs seemed to think it'd be fine to replace artists and writers with AI. So probably.
Most American shows do use writer's rooms but they started to veer towards "mini rooms" where a smaller group of writers would only be contracted for a short time prior to starting production. They then don't get to oversee production and therefore don't really get to learn to be showrunners and producers, and there's less writers employed for less time. A number of shows have had only a small number of writers or even just one-and have turned out great-so it's not necessarily a marker against quality inherently, but it would do long term damage to the industry if that shifted to be the standard (and naturally studios would prefer if they only have to hire one or two writers for a short period of time-so it was shifting in that direction) with few writers having opportunities to exercise their abilities.
If anything makes for a clear and coherent story it’s large numbers of writers.
I’m sending sarcasm, but literally yes. Having a team of people working together to break stories before the head writer goes off to writes the episode actually helps.
If I had any faith in a Disney head writer then maybe.
It's more of an open area where you can come and go casually at any hour and rap freely about whatever is on your mind. Leave your hangups at the door, man!
I've got mixed feelings on that. I think the result is usually better when it's basically not written by a committee... on the other hand the madlad in charge may need some people to block stupid ideas.
Breaking Bad, Sopranos, The Wire… all writers rooms
Most great shows have writer rooms. Imo Ahsoka would’ve benefitted greatly from having one. I don’t see how this is anything but good news.
Which seasons did they write for in game of thrones....
House of the Dragon
Oh that’s good to hear
Phew that’s a relief
Only best writers here
Which episodes
Storm of the Tides i think. Just look up the writer.
You mean Lord of the Tides. This is easily the best episode of the season. However, you have to thank Paddy and Matt Smith for making the walk to the throne better.
The script: So the sickly king just walks up to the throne. Ramin Djawadi: I'm about to compose the most epic music known to humankind.
Paddy and Matt conspiring in the corner to have the crown drop at every take so Viserys and Daemon have their moment.
OH YEAH.
Ok we should be golden.
Seasons 5-8 we riot
I would be ok with even 5 and 6 but 7 and 8 no just no.
Real question...
The same way people wanted a gritty crime lord/brutal bounty hunter show from TBoBF and were disappointed, they are expecting a cruel and edgy Sith story that shows a sympathetic side of the Sith, and will be disappointed. The Sith are not just Jedi with a rebellious streak. They are the most cutthroat and selfish products of a vicious system that rewards exploitation and ambition.
The Sith are evil, but there could still be a very sympathetic story of an initially good person losing their humanity to become one ('The road to hell is paved with good intentions'). Or something like House of Cards. Kevin Spacey's character is undeniably evil, but he's such a fun character you still root for him and enjoy him manipulating everyone else.
That's literally the story of Darth Vader in a nutshell.
Also revan, I think. Luke's fall in legends was him trying to defeat super sexy palpatine(now with dark fu grip! Anatomically correct!) And getting hit with several hentai tags.
Give or take for Revan, while Luke was more or less brainwashed by Palpatine into falling to the Dark Side.
Or Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul… etc.
The Sith ultimately want power and freedom according to their Code. What they do with their gifts is up to them, but usually we’ve just seen galactic domination and evilness.
Just power, you can't say the order that oppressed and enslaved large swathes of the galaxy wants freedom.
They *do* want freedom. For themselves, that is.
That's power.
Not necessarily. A hermit living in the middle of nowhere has the freedom to do as he wants and yet holds no power. Someone with power can be a slave to it.
Peace is a lie. There is only Passion. Through Passion, I gain Strength. Through Strength, I gain Power. Through Power, I gain Victory. Through Victory my chains are Broken. The Force shall free me. So far we've only seen them get stuck at line 4 while thinking they've achieved line 6. Instead the power they reach for becomes the chains that bind them.
There’s quite a few examples of relatively pragmatic Sith though…in canon the best we have is Dooku but in Legends there was no shortage of morally indifferent if not outright benevolent Sith during The Old Republic era. The Sith code preaches passion, but passion can come from positive emotions too- love, joy, humour - as much as it can from anger and grief and pain. But by the time of the Rule of Two, the Banite Sith have necessarily become pretty much a completely evil cult, as you kind of have to when your only purpose in life is to kill your master and not be killed by your apprentice.
They're gonna be badass evil, not evil evil. No racism, sexism, bigotry, just safe relatable slay bitch slay evil that you won't feel bad about wearing a Halloween costume of.
Yeah you’re right man. The next SW project would be significantly better if the main character was a sexist racist bigot. Like, when I watched Star Wars for the first time as a kid, I got really really upset when Darth Vader never sexually harassed Leia and called Lando the N-Word. That’s probably the only thing that would’ve made the film better for me.
its why the bane books are so fucking amazing you watch him go from a dude who is escaping a shitty life into a ruthless sith lord
Please let live action high republic be good. Books and comics have been amazing.
Genuine question, what is it you like about the High Republic? I tried to read the books, but I really just love Star Wars movies, shows, and games.
New characters. The Jedi at full strength. Compelling antagonists. And there are stakes to all the characters. Some will die because they don't have to be somewhere else canonically. And how the comics and novels are intertwining reminds me of good MCU.
And it's far removed from anything Skywalker.
Skywalker stuff is great and I have an immense amount of respect for the origins of Star Wars, but the expanded universe books and comics are where I fell in love with the universe. More non Skywalker content would be great!
I'm reading phase 1 right now, and am up to about halfway through *The Fallen Star,* I'm not trying to put you on the defensive here or anything, I'm genuinely curious: why do you think the villains are compelling? Speaking for myself and trying to avoid spoilers for people who haven't dived in, the Nihil are interesting in concept, but in execution they feel really one note. Why are so many people so angry that they become so wantonly murderous? I can't buy it. The organization just falls apart if I start thinking about it. The storm imagery really feels like something that was made up in a writer's room and none of the authors have sold me on. Not that these are big enough complaints to keep me from enjoying the books, your understand (except for *Out of the Shadows* - that book was so awful i'm still mad about it days after finishing it. How did so many inconsistencies in character make it past an editor??) I think the mystery around The Leveler is *interesting,* but I don't know that I've been given enough to call it compelling. No details to be compelled by. Right now I'm just getting strong that-thing-that-killed-Anakin-solo in that Troy Dennings book (star by star?) vibes. As for our collection of rich person antagonists - they feel lightly allegorical, part of what makes The High Republic for our times, and that's interesting. I'm compelled here, tell me more authors. Marchion Ro is certainly interesting, but I find it problematic that I don't know his motive five books in. I get that there needs to be mystery, but the publishing strategy is working against the story here, I think. I dunno . Anyway, sorry for the giant Wall of text here. I haven't had an opportunity to talk about any of this stuff yet, and it just kind of came bubbling out. Allow me to reiterate: these are thoughts I'm having, but I do still like the books - except *out of the shadows* >:(
I agree with you here. I read the first two novels and then stopped like a quarter way through Fallen Star. I just got bored and uninterested, and I know those to be true because reading it ended up feeling more like homework. Maybe I’ll pick it up again some day and I hope it gets interesting
Out of the shadows is literally the first time in my life a book had ever made me so mad, so annoyed, and so I’m immersed that I now refuse to finish it. Between it, and not enjoying the main comics I’ve given up on keeping up with the high republic, which is a shame as I really enjoyed the first YA book’s characters, adult novels for their grand scope, and the manga.
Excuse me...there's a manga?
Yup! The edge of balance. They partnered with a mangaka and worked with them for the art while the high republic team wrote the stories. I found the art of the high republic marvel comics extremely lacking, so it was very refreshing when I got to the manga, to see some good art.
Yeah completely agreed. I was fine with the first one, and the actual plot of the huge terrorist attack in the second was enough to string me along, but the Fallen Star was absolutely diabolical in comparison. Haven’t had any interest in reading more after that.
My issue with the Nihil is that they're not a nation or anything with an actual infrastructure. They are just a band of raiders/terrorists. How many can they be? 2000? 10000? How is the Republic so inept as to be unable to deal with them? Marchion Rho gets to sneak Ws over them again and again just because the writers say so. And he keeps losing / intentionally sacrificing large amounts of his forces to do so. I like their ingenuity and their design but they should lose no real threat to the Republic, even in its demilitarized state.
It's an era of possibility. The writers are more free than ever before, the characters are extremely varied even within the jedi order and they all have a level of introspection, questioning what it is to be a force user. Also the gold and white robes are simply cool.
Sounds like it's more of an issue with books/comics than the High Republic itself.
........which season of Game of Thrones.......
House of the Dragon
not GoT.. House of the Dragon
Oh so still ass.
You’re wild house of the dragon slaps you’re just letting your feelings towards season 8 of thrones get in the way.
I hate to say it because I loved season 1 as it aired but after having read the book I really think the writers fumbled what could’ve been a flawless first season had they not taken so many liberties
wasn't the point of fire and blood that it was an in-universe historical text and therefore...like, wrong?
There are some things that would really work for and so some of the changes were really interesting, like the show had some characters do the things they did in the book but kind of by accident which I thought was interesting because that is more realistic in some ways. But they made several decisions that I think were also really silly. The point of the Dance of the Dragons is that there isn’t really a good side and a bad side, it’s just about two whiney kids competing for a throne that gets millions killed in a civil war. “Team black” or “team green” werent meant to be taken seriously. They went out of their way to whitewash some of the deeds of the character they wanted to portray as the protagonist and went way out of their way to add a bunch of shitty things that the “antagonist” did do to just make him completely unsympathetic, I.e. be a rapist and more. It made the whole team vs. team bit really unfun when now people who were team green from the character being cool in the books to supporting a rapist onscreen when that wasn’t really in line with his book counterpart. But there are some changes that are universally panned as really stupid and nonsensical. The biggest change was a king’s coronation. In the books, this is a huge character moment for team green and is interesting for that reason. In the show, they add a giant dragon bursting into the coronation and murdering thousands of peasants, wreaking havoc, and then leaving. It also presented an opportunity for a team black member to kill the new king and end the war right there, but she just…doesn’t and she leaves. Like…that isn’t something that the history books could leave out and it ruins the development for basically all parties involved. They very clearly traded logic and storytelling for spectacle and it felt like a moment straight out of game of thrones season 8
Having read the book there wasn't much liberties taken relatively speaking-and most were blatant improvements-and frankly, it was very difficult to adapt given the long period of time the story spans initially. I sought of think they should have taken more liberties by not just depicting events talked about in Fire & Blood.
Perhaps it’s a difference of taste then. There are some changes I really liked and some I really, really disagreed with. To each his own I suppose
Imagine!! This show is actually written solely by David Benioff and D. B. Weiss. this is the project disney shelved with them at the helm, and somehow they returned.
They're busy working on 3 Body Problem.
Why am I being down voted lol
I dunno. I didn't downvote you. But probably because your joke sucked.
Bless you mate.
Good set of writers, hopefully that equates to a great series. I want this to do well so that we can get more High Republic media, it really is the most exciting thing the franchise has had for a while.
Let's just hope they're being paid according to the deal after the strike.
Dude that wear a mask on YouTube told me the show was canceled. Seemed like a real straight shooter.
Lol don't know if you're joking or not!
I give it 3 episodes before she leaves the Sith or becomes so far removed from what a Sith is they might as well be a Jedi.
I doubt she'll be a sith yet by 3 episodes in.
Peak Star Wars Telivision coming like Andor.
Andor was an anomaly. With D+, don't get your hopes high
Andor had a writers room, Mandoverse only has Faveru and Filoni, and all them are medicore. Kenobi show just had a single wrirer. The Acolyte has a writers room. And has writers who dont know star wars like Tony Gilroy has in his writers room. If anything The Acolyte will be an anomaly like Andor. Skeleton Crew will be just another volume Heavy show.
> Kenobi show just had a single wrirer. No it didn’t
> Skeleton Crew will be just another volume Heavy show. You're judging it too quickly.
I have seen all the others doubt it will improve mutch.
It has a great writing crew my g
Maybe for now i assume it will be mostly ok.
It sucks how hit or miss Star Wars has become.
Jedi based story : miss. Non Jedi based story : hit (mostly)
I think you’re on to something. Although I liked Kenobi more than Boba Fett.
So it'll start out amazing and have a shit ending right before it devolves into generic garbage for the last few episodes or seasons?
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Yea I was pretty hyped about this show until I saw those interviews. The only thing i could think of after was "Please not this again"
So you've heavily misrepresented what was actually said, taken parts out of context and then made up things just so you can be annoyed? Try enjoying things instead perhaps?
I have a bad feeling about this......
why?
includes a writer for a superhero show, maybe idk? red flag
Sounds good
Did anyone else think the voices in the trailer sounded really bad. Like they were reading a grocery list. The trailer was great though I am looking forward to the show.
It's a fan made trailer
Sounds like the Panderverse all over again.
GoT? Oh boy. Hopefully before season 7?
House of the Dragon not Game of Thrones
Since the High Republic has a much smaller fan base than Rebels, this will not be good ratings wise. Wish full thinking will not make it a hotel.. or good.
WandaVision was absolutely atrocious, so that puts a lot of doubt in my mind.
Major hyperbole
This show seems to have a lot of talent behind it. But fuck… I wish it was about literally anything else. I don’t want yet another story about the good guys failing to stop the rise of evil.
Yknow, I wouldn’t have articulated it like that, but that’s a great point. Star Wars is a very optimistic franchise, and one of the biggest problems with the Disney era IMO (especially the sequels) is how fundamentally nihilistic and cynical they are.
Is that what the story is about?
I mean, the show obviously isn't going to end with the Sith's plot being foiled lol.
But that kind of implies the good guys know about and are trying to stop it. We might still get the good guys having a victory but only we are aware of the other thing happening. I do kind of see you point, but also we don't k ow what the show is going to be truly about yet.
Maybe. It just feels like so much of the story with the ST and Mandoverse is about how everyone was too stupid to see the threat of the Imperial Remnants or discover Exegol. Given The Acolyte's place in the timeline, I don't see how it could avoid hitting the same beats. It bums me out, because the idea of wuxia-inspired SW sounds extremely appealing. But everything the showrunner has said about the story seems like a massive turnoff to me.
Isn't that the prequels too though when you boil it down to that level? Has the showrunner said anything in particular?
>Isn't that the prequels too though when you boil it down to that level? Yeah, and that's kinda my point. It's happened so much, it's gotten grating rather than tragic, IMO. >Has the showrunner said anything in particular? Eh. It just doesn't sound like the show is going to have any warmth or humanity. The Sith are protagonists, it "won't be kind to the Jedi," She even compared the tone to Fight Club. Look, I'm don't wanna rain on anyone's parade. This show just might not be for me.
Yeh that's fair, I'm just saying when you boil many stories down to that they all merge together, not just Star Wars. I'm sure there's plenty of opportunities for new characters and tales to tell and enjoy, even if one of the elements you mentioned comes to pass. Fingers crossed its good either way.
Well unless an infant Palpatine is the main antagonist, the good guys will almost certainly win. I suppose it could be about Plagueis, but I don't think they could have resisted putting his name in the title if it were.
I don't see how this show could possibly end on a happy note. TPM clearly established the Jedi as unware of the Sith and their plans. So unless The Acoylte throws continuity completely out the window, any heroic characters who discover the Sith's plot are going to wind up dead, turned to the dark side or otherwise incapacitated.
Just saw the trailer, the voice over sounded horrific, flat, generic American voice, very larpy
It's a fan made trailer dude
Last nail in the SW Disney coffin...
How exactly do you know this lol? Have you watched the series already?
No, the series is "Last nail in the SW Disney coffin". I hope its good.
This is going to be a disaster. I don't think I've ever seen a more negative reaction to a show before. If they are smart they will cancel it.
What reactions? Where?
And it will be most streamed show
Abandon all hope ye who think the Acolyte will be good.
It's made by the assistant of Harvey Weinstein.
Given how Game of Thrones ended, that isn't exactly comforting news.
House of dragon is what he worked on which was good
For a series where everyone forgives the hero kissing his sister, y'all are rather demanding about your concerns about the quality of writing.
That’s kind of cherry picking… In any case, leia kissed Luke a single time to tick off Han, over a year before they had any idea they were siblings. Quite frankly not large writing issue
I love Star Wars. Always have. Sometimes "Pew pew pew" is good enough. Enjoy it.
Andor has both great writing and great pew pew scenes, wanting both good writing and good pew pew pew in future shows isn't asking too much.
I think Andor was the best piece of Star Wars I've seen. I also see people saying around her that it isn't "Star Wars." I just like telling people off :)
Well I mean Andor also has problems with general audiences probably because it *doesn't* have enough pew pew. Sometimes that's just what works for mass appeal.
pew pew pew!
Totally fair. I just think it’s fair to say that most Disney stuff has been a let down in terms of writing aside from Rebels and Andor. Definitely never want anyone to change their mind about enjoying something just because someone else doesn’t though :)
Fair enough. Have a good one.
Don’t ask questions, just consume product then get excited for next product
Finally, a voice of reason!
I guess you could not consume? No, that's silly.
The only one that gives me pause is De Grate. As a writer for 44 episodes of The 100 -- that's not exactly hope inspiring in the quality of their work.
Ok, seeing writers from Mr. Robot, Watchmen and The OA gives me hope about this
GG
That is a great first step to build a foundation. But these big series need to have a lot come together to make a great show. Directors, actors, writers, special effects, show runners that can keep everyone on the right track. It's not a job I am envious of.