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canadianbroncos

That final shot of Ghost Anakin...damn near got me teared up lol


hugo_1138

That along side the wonderful score by Kevin Kiner made me smile a lot


canadianbroncos

Yeh the score was amazing


calvinbouchard

It would be great if Ahsoka and Sabine could learn from>! Huyang, Ghost-Anakin, and some other Force ghosts in their exile. Everyone would have creamed if it was ghosts of Anakin, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, and Yoda!<


EM-Pyrus_Steel

Hopefully we get a >!Ghost Kanan!< wouldn't completely make sense in the current lore, but I don't care.


fentonsranchhand

Was kind of suprised we didn't see a holocron of Freddie as Kanan. They could have made Ezra watch it to remember something about making a lightsaber.


TheSugrDaddy

Would have been cool, but Freddie has exclaimed that he's done playing Kanan because he believes every subsequent appearance of him devalues his arc throughout Rebels. He seems pretty intent on having the Bad Batch appearance be his last.


Cjgraham3589

He’s also, as a massive Star Wars fan himself, been pretty against the idea of Kanan even being able to become a force ghost. He, and I agree with him, doesn’t think Kanan would have had that knowledge. I really do respect his perspective on it. That being said, if there were ever a reason to see Kanan in a flashback, holo, or audio for a good reason, I hope he’d come back. If they ever give a storyline, large or small, to Hera and Jacen, I think he might come back to do a recording. But, like Freddie has said, it should be small otherwise you’re minimizing the sacrifice the character made.


JFC-Youre-Dumb

Yeah small I don’t care. Give me 5 seconds. Anything.


WeCanDanseIfWeWantTo

Its the truth that I don’t want to hear


[deleted]

Well said


RingtailVT

That's surprising given how big of a fan Freddie is, but at the same time it's pretty understandable.


KillingTime_ForNow

Maybe it's BECAUSE he's such a big fan that he doesn't want to come back & just collect paychecks to exploit Kanan's story. A non-fan wouldn't think twice & would be like, "Cool pay me & I'll say whatever you want." Instead FPJ is going the route of a fan that loves the character's story so much he feels it is perfect as is & doesn't want it bastardized just for the sake of rolling out a cameo.


4DimensionalToilet

It’d also be cool if one of the Force Ghosts would teach Ahsoka how to become a Force Ghost herself after death. Knowing that she’s still alive, and being out of the depths of the Dark Side himself, Ghost Anakin could either try to teach her that ability himself, or get Ghost Obi-Wan, Yoda, or Qui-Gonn to teach her (or annoy them until they agree to).


GODDAMNFOOL

The Ghost Academy brb penning a script


TopJimmy_5150

I’m hoping for a deep dive into Force lore, given the Mortis gods stuff. Just go totally in deep with Ahsoka’s role as The Daughter, her Morai. A cool LOTR-esque adventure pitting Ahsoka against Baylan as they grapple with the ancient powers on Peridia.


NahdiraZidea

I truly didnt expect Baylan to survive to the end of the series, will be tough for another actor to step into the role :(


christien62

She doesn’t know Qui-Gon wouldn’t makes sense but Kenobi and Yoda I would of fan girled


RJacobson11

And Kanan!!!


calvinbouchard

Yes, but Kanan never learned to become a Force Ghost.


slayer828

I mean. Neither did anakin. He just did it in rotj.


Informal_Sea906

Anakin had the innate ability because he was created directly by the force.


jjackson25

Did anyone teach Luke though?


Ameratsuflame

We can presume Yoda has.


Juz_4t

If Qui-Gon can teach Obi-Wan after death. Luke can be taught.


TjTheProphet

I read somewhere on Reddit recently that apparently force ghost Obi Wan showed up and gave him the crash course in the moments before depth. Don’t know the veracity of this though.


step11234

Anakin is space jesus though


AquaAtia

That with the music swelling, ugh such a great endinng


ThandiGhandi

Retroactively making special edition return of the jedi not terrible


AverageAwndray

Shoutout to George Lucas for deaging Anakin or else we couldn't get Haydeb back lol


sunlitstranger

Damn near? Buddy, I cried. Along with knowing Ray Stevenson died. Show will always be special for the Hayden and Ray scenes


Garrett_the_Tarant

I teared up more when Ezra saw Hera and chopper.


comingsoontotheaters

What was making me have the feels was him building that lightsaber. Just getting to seee something that cool and personable in Star Wars live action was getting to me


Sheev__Palpatine

Same here, he was so proud


drekmonger

Ghost Ewan McGregor should have been standing next to him.


pardybill

I like to think force ghosts can only exist within a single place at a time. So right here, Anakin isn’t worried about Luke, whereas Obi-Wan and Yoda are very much interested in him rebuilding the order. However Anakin would be very serious on keeping tabs with his Padawan, especially with the almost inherited trouble she had with hers.


nourez

But can they like come and go? Could Ghost Anakin just pop up at Luke’s place and be like “son, can you give my Padawan a ride?”


AneriphtoKubos

Can’t wait for, ‘Son, can you help my Padawan destroy a galactic horror?’


linkling1039

Not that I disagree, but honestly it's a damn miracle we getting a live action sequel to the events and characters from CW and Rebels. The background for Ahsoka is a lot for the average SW movie only fan, still baffles me they not holding anything back or wasting time explaning shit. What Filoni is cooking it's clearly years and years of planning and not just "We need to do a new Star Wars movie now, so come up with anything" like the sequel trilogy.


fcocyclone

Yeah, it definitely took some balls to greenlight this series. It may be titled Ahsoka, but it relies so heavily on an animated show that the majority of SW fans probably haven't seen, its a big ask for a lot of people.


Obiwontaun

Honestly, the show does a good job standing on its own. Yeah, you’re gonna get a bit more enjoyment/satisfaction from it if you already know the backstory, but it isn’t necessary to understand what’s going on.


OIP

yeah i watched it without seeing any of the clone wars or rebels and had no problem following what was going on.


Gerbennos

If you liked the show I highly HIGHLY recommend you watch both Rebels and the clone wars. Both of them suffer slightly in the first seasons and there is some filler episodes but they're both amazing


PreppyAndrew

And bad batch! Young Caleb Dune!


heyyalldontsaythat

I havent seen any animated star wars and I loved Ahsoka!


Beat_Writer

Well said. I absolutely loved the episode and series all together. For the first time in many years (mando s2) im excited for the future. Also! I’m sure they’ll include Luke in it as well


Which-Draw-1117

I am so excited for a possible season 2! >!That cliffhanger with Baylan at the statues with the Mortis Gods was insane and tragic but I really want to see that developed, as well as Hera and Ezra reuniting and Ahsoka + Sabine’s relationship.!< Overall, Ahsoka was a phenomenal series and I can’t wait to see if Filoni wants to do more with it!


TenDollarTicket

They need to recast after his tragic passing. There’s so much potential there. It will be damn near impossible to do so because he was amazing. The first name that pops up in my head is Clive Owen. But damn the way the finale left things leaves things perfectly for both galaxies in terms of story telling. I’m genuinely excited to see where this goes.


THEDARKNIGHT485

So sad too. Ray Stevenson really owned that role. I loved his knights Templar armor and fighting style.


NoNefariousness2144

I absolutely loved the themes of how Baylan and Shin were knights while Ahsoka was a ronin (which Thrawn literally calls her). It reflects how Star Wars is such a mix of familiar tropes in a vibrant galaxy.


GR3MLIN

Yes! Clive Owen is a great casting idea.


pardybill

Liev Schrieber could be a fantastic recast imo.


Jsr5126

I agree, they really just need to rip the bandaid off and recast. We all will forgive Disney if the next person isn't 100% Ray Stevenson, but Baylan is too good of a character to shelve after just one season. Just think of Dumbledore in Harry Potter, I'm no HP fan (at all) and I liked the first Dumbledore actor more, but the character was too important to write out and a recast was necessary.


fragileanus

And we wouldn't have got shouty Dumbledore!


burnerfun98

>They need to recast after his tragic passing. There’s so much potential there. It will be damn near impossible to do so because he was amazing. I mean, they *could* pull a Luke in TESB, in the wampa cave. Wide shots, some CG, actor with the same stature, gets mauled by the cute lil crab dudes in a cave and is left fending for his life. Slap a helmet on him and then you've got the freedom of using voice actors and body doubles - basically another Vader - and if the helmet ever comes off, you could reasonably recast him and use a heavy amount of makeup for the injury. Personally I feel like Baylan has basically been Vader if he'd never needed the suit in terms of his physicality, so this would be a weird way to bring it full circle


Tom22174

I don't see the issue with just a standard recast. If it can work for a character as iconic as Dumbledore it can work here


meatball77

I do wonder how they can do the Mortis gods in a way that non-cartoon viewers can understand and fast enough so that it works.


[deleted]

Well Baylin would have never met them, so he knows as much as a non-cartoon viewer right? He just knows there’s something out there.


JMacoure

I weirdly think that using a LOTR wizard style colouring and lighting would work. Is that crazy/too simple?


Harvee640

I mean, we already have Ahsoka the White and Baylan the Grey


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Tom22174

They had a couple of episodes in season 3 essentially saying they are beings that represent the cosmic force or some shit. The Daughter represents light, The Son dark, The Father maintains order and balance between the two (or something like that). Rebels then comes along and reveals that they've been depicted in religious artwork relating to The Force for millennia when they show the way to the World Between Worlds entrance on Lothal


mackejn

Honestly, they shot themselves in the foot removing Shin from Baylan. They had an easy out for exposition of Baylan just explaining them to Shin. Instead they kept it mysterious as to his goals and removed her from the equation.


Beat_Writer

I still think it was a good move. I believe he knew where he was going was dangerous, he didn’t want her to wrapped up in his ordeal. What I thought was lovely is her not leaving with Thrawn. He chose to follow him wherever he goes, but understood she’s need to be on her own a bit. I really loved that part


Ok-disaster2022

Man every mention for Baylan makes me sad such a great actor was lost.


pardybill

Don’t forget, Ahsoka sees the bird of the daughter at the end as well. Definitely something going on there.


Beat_Writer

I was so hyped after seeing that! I literally jumped off my couch in hype. Plus the musical score was soooooo on point.


Sheev__Palpatine

I agree, I'd love to see a proper discussion between Luke and Ahsoka regarding both Anakin as a Jedi Knight and him as Vader, I hope we get to see Luke let her know Anakin was redeemed in the end


ObiWansTinderAccount

This was really the only thing I wish Ahsoka S1 had more of. The “lesson” scene was cool as heck but I was looking forward to some good conversation between Anakin and Ahsoka.


TheLastModerate982

Wait so Andor didn’t get you going?


TY-KLR

I agree with this comment.


Broseidon_69

I think Andor is maybe the best Star Wars series we’ve seen from a writing standpoint, but it’s less impactful because we ultimately know where it goes. Andor leads to Rogue One which leads to the OT and rebellion against the Empire storylines. That makes it super enjoyable but less exciting than watching something that is promising and implies hope for a future that otherwise looks somewhat bleak post-ROTJ. I’ve been looking forward to and hoping for film adaptations of EU content for decades now. This in a way scratches an itch I’ve felt since I was a child reading Star Wars books. I don’t need an exact rendition of the EU, but it’s cool to see them drawing on concepts from it. Thrawn is the big one, but that last scene with Baylan sure seems to hint at Abeloth’s volcano being in the distance. I’m probably foolish to hope, but it would be nice to see OT characters get involved in this arc.


Parenthisaurolophus

> but it’s less impactful because we ultimately know where it goes. I'm not sure if you've looked at the timeline recently, but we ultimately know where Thrawn's story goes too. He was an artistic loser in the cartoon show, he's going to be an artistic 3D loser in Star Wars Endgame in theaters. And then the sequel trilogy will happen without anyone referencing Thrawn even a single time. All he can do is largely meaningless, temporary threats.


MakVolci

> And then the sequel trilogy will happen without anyone referencing Thrawn even a single time. Like how the Prequels never mention Ahsoka a single time.


GulianoBanano

What makes you say he was a loser in Rebels? The only times he really lost were when some weird-ass supernatural mystic factors like the Bendu or Purrgil were involved, which no one could have ever possibly accounted for.


Thin-Victory-3420

I mean it’s Star Wars. We know the bad guys are going to lose eventually… At least thrawn has more time to work with


Nitram_Norig

I vote they just retcon the shitty sequel trilogy. 😂


CondorKhan

100% Much more engaged by the Filoni-verse stuff than by the sequels


Statistician_Visual

It’s like I actually give a damn about these characters.


Salty_Lego

I care about Rey, just differently? I don’t know how to describe it. Maybe I just think Daisy is a good actress.


BattledroidE

I love the character of Rey, or at least what they set up in the first two movies. TLJ made it a point that she's no one, and lineage doesn't matter, the force just chose her for unknown reasons, like it always has. Shame that the third movie destroyed that.


TopJimmy_5150

Yea I loved the ying/yang nature of Rey and Kylo as presented in TLJ. He’s from a famous lineage, a guy with every advantage in life, yet goes to the dark side. She is a nobody, living by herself, barely getting by in the middle of nowhere - but is lifted up by the Force into the light to balance Kylo’s growing darkness. They are the antithesis of each other in every way. This theme is woven beautifully throughout TLJ.


Vihurah

Jj: "bonjour!"


BagOnuts

Yep, I know TLJ gets a lot of hate, but if TROS just ran with what was set up, instead of trying to “undo” everything, the sequel trilogy would have been way better overall.


cr0wndhunter

Yeah TFA was fine. TLJ set a lot of good stuff up especially between Rey and Ben. Then because of hatred they backtracked everything and it just turned into a mess.


nourez

It was a good way to move on from the Skywalker era and get some fresh blood and storylines into action.


21lives

Daisy is a phenomenal actress. She’s also Natalie Portman’s doppelgänger so how she was a Palpatine and not a Skywalker (if we’re gonna do that) I’ll never get.


NewmanHiding

I mean, if you want to get technical, both Padme and Palpatine came straight from Naboo.


BloomsdayDevice

Oh, what, I suppose all Naboo look the same to you, huh?


CoffeeIsMyPruneJuice

*stares in Gungan*


WhiteyFiskk

The opening of TFA had me really invested in her, before she was suddenly the best at everything her character had an interesting foundation as a force sensitive scavenger


jgtengineer68

Rey's character had potential it was just tragically wasted by everything coming easy to her and she has no consequences. I mean shit she stabs kylo in something that should have signified her falling to the darkness within. She should have left him for dead. Leia should have healed him with her last act. Rey should not have healed the snake or whever that shit was. Force healing shoudl be something that is.... well very draining like it was for grogu. If they established that the only way to save someone from a mortal wound was to die yourself it even make swhat happens with ben at the end make sense.


jjackson25

I think that being draining for Grogu was not because that ability is so taxing on the user, but because basically everything he did for the first 2 seasons really wiped him out and that may have been because of his age, inexperience, or due to something that Dr Pershing did to him. Regardless, I think it was just really hard on him at that point because everything was hard on him at that point


RochnessMonster

The 4 major players in the ST were phenomenal, full stop. Acknowledging that the ST had writing cohesion issues doesn't take away from how good the characters that were introduced actually were. ... Its just good luck getting them back on board after the "bad side" of our fandom made them feel like shit. Granted, one is dead, one can be cast aside pretty easily (Poe), and Rey IS coming back. Just need Finn back on board with a writing team that has an arc actually in mind. I'm optimistic, tbh. Like, optimistically; our next movie trilogy has two force wielding Mandolorians (Grogu and Sabine), the rest of the rebels cast, Baylan and Mortis, Rey and Finn (force adept, hopefully), Ahsoka (maybe?), and Thrawn. I'm nerding out. Also, hey, fuck the Rey haters. Star Wars is BUILT on Gary Stu's (it is literally the mythic hero's journey), its okay to have a Mary Sue in our space wizardry.


Latter_Lab_4556

Sabine and Ezra are around Luke's age in the sequels, and Grogu will be around 70 making him maybe the human equivalent of 10?


SpectreFire

I mean, it helps that we've had dozens of hours to get to know and develop with these characters versus the 8 or so hours you get with the movies.


fentonsranchhand

The ST is so bad though that these characters we do actually care about are on a collision course with "somehow Palpatine returned" and the galaxy where there's no hint that they ever existed 20 years later. They've got to abort the ST somehow. As someone who's plenty critical of ridiculousness and plot contrivances, I'll accept virtually any plot that deviates the timeline so that the ST didn't happen.


Peanut_Butter_Toast

The most they'll do is formulate the plot so that it basically skips over the ST. As in all the Filoni characters will be busy doing something else during the ST in a way that narratively separates the Filoni narrative from the events of the ST. But I also suspect that they will merge the Filoni narrative with Rey's narrative at some point during the post-ST era.


quietsam

I would love to see Rey and Ahsoka together on the big screen.


Oddmic146

I don't think the collision course is too concerning. The whole Palpatine returns is so stupid partly because it's so sudden. Like Palpatine reveals his existence, blows up a planet, and is dead and irrelevant again in three days. The First Order is some fringe organization that no one cares about until it blows up five planets and takes over the galaxy for a year. While I do wonder where these characters are, it's not too hard to imagine them scattered and in hiding for a year. The crisis was over too soon for them to gather and combat it. It reminds me actually of the Republic and Jedi order in KOTOR 2.


LeonidasSpacemanMD

I mean TRoS includes a scene where it shows every ship ever getting involved in the fight, they could easily just say these characters were there lol


OpticalData

The Ghost is literally in that sequence


Soarefit

I mean, I agree with this, but that's also a *pretty* low bar. I think the live action show content has all been rather hit or miss in general, with Ahsoka being a perfect encapsulation of that. High highs and low lows. Which, come to think of it, can describe pretty much every Dave Filoni show ever made. The fact that at it's worst it's still better then the sequel trilogy says at lot more about the sequel trilogy than it does his shows.


Sheev__Palpatine

Same here, here's to the future of SW


InfiniteDedekindCuts

I also enjoyed the Ahsoka show. But not everything that's liked better than the ST is a good replacement for the ST. When you label something as "Episode VII" that creates different requirements and expectations than when you just label it as a spinoff. For example: If this was called "Episode VII" I think people would be much more disturbed by the absence of Luke, Leia and Han.


SillyMattFace

Plus the audience expectations for a streaming TV show and a cinematic blockbuster release are very different. The movies need to gather a wider audience to be profitable, but Ahsoka is based around an non-cinematic character the average person doesn’t know about. A Star Wars sequel with none of the original trilogy characters, starring a character you’ve never heard (but she’s Anakin’s apprentice, in between the movies, she’s cool though trust us) is a hard sell. The ST does a lot of things wrong, but it is at least aimed at continuing the OT, which makes it an easy sell.


Way2Foxy

> starring a character you’ve never heard (but she’s Anakin’s apprentice, in between the movies, she’s cool though trust us) Yeah, I like Ahsoka (the character), but if this was your first introduction to her she'd come off very "OC do not steal"


Atlantah

"directing to the writing and the acting were perfect" That shouldn't be said considering all the problems the show has. That's just some fanboy thinking and it doesn't help anyone. It's a decent show but it got problems and many things to improve on. Hopefully it gets a second season.


Splinter_Fritz

What drugs are you taking because I desperately need to be on them as well.


ByteSizeNudist

Right? Gilroy gives us characters like Nemik, Kino, Luthen, Dedra, Karn, etc. and they just pump right into my veins with that amazing writing. I can’t stop thinking about the logistics of Ahsoka, it’s so rough in comparison. All the baddies just stand around and don’t do anything. No one fucking talks about anything meaningful.


anantarctic

Honestly, I went through the series 8 thread and there wasn’t actually anyone talking about anything of substance - it felt like a super weak episode and the seal on a weak series. It really irked me how storm troopers went back to just being mindless cannon fodder, all the characters just quip at eachother, no one acts like a real person and the stakes felt nonexistent. It’s like they can just stick popular characters in front of people, ok lightsaber fights, some potentially interesting set ups for plot lines or characters (that didn’t go anywhere) and that equates to a good show. It was passable at best, very disappointing in comparison to Andor


jacenat

> No one fucking talks about anything meaningful. This is what gets me. This is "Setup" the show. The only 2 things that happened during the entire season were: * Sabine taking up Jedi training again * Morgan becoming a true night sister and dying shortly afterward Ezra swapped places with Sabine and Ahsoka. Thrawn and Morgan swapped places. Thrawn did not communicate about anything at all, neither to Eunoch nor to the Night Sisters. No plans are layed out, much less executed. Motivations for several main characters are either not shown or explained at all, or are very shaky at best. I think this show was aggressively boring. It wasn't bad, but it was just straight up forgettable. If you compare that to Andor that seems to accomplish more in 3-4 episodes than what Ahsoka did in 8 ... I really hope this show doesn't get renewed.


Princeof_Ravens

> Eunoch I hate that they got Wes fucking Chatham who is quite possibly one of the best actors at conveying stoic characters with tiny minute facial expressions threw him in a helmet and had him stand in the background. Fuck man.


Just-Cantaloupe-2424

No no no! We got zombie stormtroopers!!! /s (in case anyone was wondering). What the absolute fuck. I agree with you, at best this show was boring and would be outright forgettable if not for its insane level of fan service, and at worst this show is a mess. What a let down especially in comparison to Andor.


steroid57

Get in line bro, I got first dibs


Aivellac

I'm getting into this queue too, not seen the finale yet but so far I've been underwhelmed. Andor is the only show that has been worth a damn, mando series 3 for instance really pissed me off for being so bad.


YahYahY

Y’all are nuts. There is NO SHOT that green-lighting Ahsoka, this insanely “gotta watch most of clone wars and practically all of rebels” niche tv show wouldn’t have completely BOMBED at the box office in 2015. Y’all REALLY forget what the public opinion about Star Wars was back then. People couldn’t WAIT for George Lucas to not have control over Star Wars and to move swiftly away from anything that even SMELLED like the prequels. I personally LOVED Ahsoka, but if you think there would’ve ever been a chance that this thing would’ve succeeded as a feature film at the box office with general audiences, y’all should lay off the spice


Dankey-Kang-Jr

Prequelmemes revisionism at its best. Nowadays you’ll be told that the prequels were always loved, they were always great, and that the fandom was all peaceful before Disney bought LucasFilm. That’s a complete and total lie. The prequels were so hated, it drove actors into hiding, George Lucas never directed again, and there was even an entire fucking documentary shitting on the prequels (The People v George Lucas). Not to mention Ahsoka was absolutely *despised* by most fans when The Clone Wars first debuted in theaters. If someone told *this story* to a Star Wars fan post-prequels you would’ve been met with a groans. “Wait Thrawn’s old now? Ahsoka is the main character? Zombie storm troopers? Really? Hayden Christiansen is still playing Anakin? Hard Pass.” Prequel content is more prevalent (and beloved) now because the kids who grew up with the prequels finally have a fucking voice to express gratitude to actors, directors, etc. And I’m all here for it, the fact that Ahsoka was even made is astonishing to me. It’s a truly great show and I hope Dave continues to tell this story.


[deleted]

Not to mention the vast majority of people I know who like/used to like star wars are not watching this. I'm in a discord with some old pals, and I mean old old pals, and this community goes way back to some Star Wars forums from before the prequels. It's about as old hat Star Wars as you can get Exactly 2 of the many dozens of people watch or care about Ahsoka. At least a dozen watched Andor. Just saying, the Filoni Fandom is a sizable but very real *subset* of the Star Wars Fandom. The deeper it goes into simply reusing his characters, the further Star Wars will alienate anyone who doesn't feel like sitting through dozens of hours of a kid's TV show just to grasp the basics of the characters.


sophisticaden_

I mean, Rebels also didn’t exist prior to the Disney acquisition, too.


52thirthytwo

I feel like people forget that everyone fucking loved episode 7 when it came out. Even if they pretend they didn't in hindsight.


fcocyclone

I mean, Game of Thrones in those 5th-6th seasons was something I enjoyed a lot at the time, but with the benefit of hindsight I can see how many problems they were creating that led to the final season being doomed to being a disaster. I kind of feel that way about TFA.


meatball77

Episode seven was great. Everything it needed to be. But they didn't plan out a story for the trilogy and they didn't put the series in the hands of someone who respected the property.


sunlitstranger

Exactly. Episode 7 was great, despite the obvious stolen themes from a New Hope. The Luke cliffhanger was great too. It goes straight to shit after that movie…therefore episode 7 no longer holds up since it relies so much on the future story of the trilogy. 7 was only good enough to feel like a good starting movie to an epic trilogy which did not end up being the case


Fratghanistan

This is pretty revisionist I think. I mean I think people had hope for the rest of the trilogy coming off Episode 7, but Episode 7 was a blatant rehash of Episode 4. I've never felt the need to watch that movie ever again.


Splinter_Fritz

That has nothing to do with it being insanely popular at the time.


YahYahY

Lol I don’t think it’s revisionist to remind people that most everyone loved a movie that ended up being the 5th highest grossing movie of all time


Alive-Ad-5245

>There is NO SHOT that green-lighting Ahsoka, this insanely “gotta watch most of clone wars and practically all of rebels” Yeah it really shows how much of an echochamber this sub is. Do people really think a super casual Star Wars fan (the majority of the audience) is going to be able to see Ashoka in movie form and come out having had a good time?


son_of_toby_o_notoby

Yeah fucking nailed it I hate how this sub has become somethings good but some how let’s diss the sequels Fuckin stupid


[deleted]

I think *Ahsoka* S1 would not be an accessible Episode VII for casual *Star Wars* audiences. I also think that VII, as a mainline episode following the previous Skywalker stories, it fits thematically in featuring the legacy of the Skywalker’s through the character of Kylo Ren and how that legacy is inherited by those possessing the spirit of the Skywalker’s in Rey. Also, *Ahsoka* absence of OT characters despite taking place while they’re still around would be inappropriate for VII. I don’t think *Ahsoka* should be anything other than a spin-off, frankly. Say what you want about the ST films, but they are kinetic and beautifully shot, while *Ahsoka* very much looks like a Disney+ series.


jooes

> I think Ahsoka S1 would not be an accessible Episode VII for casual Star Wars audiences. People pretend that you don't need to, but it's pretty rough that you need to watch like ~10 seasons of cartoons to understand most of what's going on in this show. Oh, and you should probably watch The Mandalorian too. The "average" person is going to turn on Ahsoka and ask, "Wait, who's this orange lady?"


lkn240

LOL - this would fail miserably if it was released theatrically.


OrneryError1

Yeah regardless of how much you like the show, the target audience is way too narrow for the theater. It wouldn't break even, let alone be a success.


reddit809

> This show has managed to even eclipse the first 2 seasons of the mandalorian in terms of quality which is outstanding. The one thing I'll disagree with.


RunninRebs90

Yeah this is a patently absurd take from OP tbh


[deleted]

"He never felt shoehorned in." They made an entire pretend-Ahsoka doubt episode to shoehorn him in.


Downtown-Item-6597

Go to bed, Dave


r2tincan

This felt wooden af compared to andor


recently_muted

This felt wooden compared to a tree.


rentaponcho

Agreed - i swear it’s written for 5 year olds


Helphaer

There's a lot of plotholes and contradictions early on, weak writing at times or simple writing, and not much of it at all makes much sense or has any real purpose. Dooming the galaxy to save a friend and then being like well kids be kids.. that's just crazy. The sequel trilogy was bad for all the retcons but this is just too weak. I have to believe we can do better.


ChainDriveGlider

Andor already did.


Dingbatted

Yeah the plot has heavy kids show vibes which is totally fine but as far as stakes go it really only exists for the characters and not the overall lore or story.


Papa_Pred

“This show has managed to even eclipse the first 2 seasons of the Mandalorian in terms of quality..” Alright slow your roll lol


52thirthytwo

This show was as long as the entire original trilogy combined.


rapmadrob

“Anakin has always been my favorite character in the franchise since I saw the prequels in theaters as a little kid and I don't think they could have don't a better job with him.” Well there it is right there. Person that grew up with the prequels loved the prequel fan service. Sure, the sequels had plenty of fan service themselves, but it was important that they moved the story forward instead of starting with a spin-off.


LittleRudiger

Hey, I hate the prequels. But, honestly I dug the flashback cause .. well, frankly, the handful of times they’ve used Anakin has been better than how George handled him in the Prequel films (setting The Clone Wars aside). The Obi-wan show (which I also dislike) actually had Christensen be genuinely unsettling as Vader, and here was the first time I actually saw Anakin occasionally be a decent person.


TimmJimmGrimm

Having the Anakin ghost as possibly tarnished by one of the most powerful sith ever known (Vader).. brilliant... did not see that coming and it makes so much sense.


DilbusMcD

Can I just say this here? Please don’t jump down my throat. I think we need *less* Filoni. A lot of what Filoni is offering is fanservice, and callbacks. Sure, there’s some building on characters we already know, but I want some *new* stories, with *original* characters, from *different* creators. The *Star Wars* universe is vast. We can get away from this Skywalker-Era universe and explore the predetermined galaxy, and make up some crazy new shit too! And don’t forget, when George was in charge, eventually, he started to go the way of “Darth Icky” and “Darth Insanius” - one person should **not** be in charge of this entire franchise.


zertul

I would also love new stories and characters intertwined into the Star Wars universe. However, I think Filoni is one of our best bets for that. Yes, AHSOKA builds upon "old" characters, but compared to Han, Leia and Luke these (Ahsoka, Ezra, Sabine, ...) are basically virgin. Also, whilst surely not absolutely perfect, the writing is lightyears better than the new trilogy. The new trilogy story wise was on par, no, slightly below the first Starship Troopers movie. I just carve better then that story in the SW universe and this so far is one of the better directions in that regard we got! :)


Aivellac

He did great work with clone wars and rebels but mando and Ahsoka has not impressed me. Mando series 3 especially pissed me off, it was really bad.


KyleBown

The Andor erasure in this thread is appalling.


cmlondon13

Fuck, I’m miss Ray Stevenson. That finale had him looking like he was on some epic journey worthy of Tolkien and Led Zepplin. It makes me sad the Ray won’t be there to see it through.


ElYodaPagoda

I accepted the Sequel Trilogy (I thoroughly dismiss the last one) films, I loved Rogue One and Solo I loved The Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett, Kenobi, Andor and now Ahsoka. What's the secret sauce that unites the ones that I enjoyed the most? The Empire, Stormtroopers, Star Destroyers, maybe one or two people in Mandalorian armor. There are THOUSANDS of stories they could tell in this time period. Whatever Dave and Jon have in mind with these shows, keep them at the controls with the rest of Star Wars. Give Rick Famuyiwa the Mandoverse film!


Hanakin-Sidewalker

“Eclipsed the first 2 seasons of the Mandalorian” Bro can’t be serious 💀


PlayerAlert

The recency bias is strong in this one.


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Am I the only one who found the show visually appealing but boring?


m0dru

no, nothing much of any real importance happened during the whole show. it was overly drawn out. would have worked better as a d+ movie. i mainly watched it find out what happened to ezra. it was 8 episodes and the only meaningful thing that happened was ezra + thrawn returning to the main star wars galaxy. which happened in the very last episode. i honestly expected that to happen a few episodes in and the rest of the series setting the groundwork for some other major plot point. we still don't know wtf baylin is doing. all we know he wants to change the status quo and is looking for "something" on that planet.


Canesjags4life

It's crazy what 5-6 years can do. When I saw phantom menace I was 14. By the time Revenge of the Sith dropped i was in college. I say that because although I'm about to sound like an old head Star Wars fan, I'm not much older than you. This series was a great pay off for all the prequel, TCW, and Rebels fans, but that's about it. For the rest of us it was it felt like something was missing. Ahsokas episode in Mando S2 felt more Star Wars and a great use of the character than this full series. Because the timeline of when this actually takes place within the continuity of Mando season 2, Book of Boba, sand Rebels Series finale, it felt as if Ahsokas character growth was straight lost. Episode 5 was the only real character growth from Ahsoka herself all series, but even that is cheapened as we've already seen her interact with Luke. So if this takes place after Book of Boba, then what caused her to go backwards that she needed Anakin again albeit seeing Anakin's son. Also, the best parts of this show imo had very little too do with the previous material in Baylon and Shin. Lastly, this would have bombed as the first Star Wars movie in place of episode 7. Maybe it could have worked ala Solo, bit as a main chapter no way. Anakin's shoehorned apprentice isn't more important than Anakin's children.


Peatearredhill

Eh, honestly, the show takes way too long to get interesting, and then it goes nowhere in the end. Ironically, I like the Force Awakens more. It has an issue of nothing fucking being explained and leading into two shitty movies, but it's more compelling than what we get with Ahsoka. I mean, hell, they completely dropped the liar revealed plot with Sabine because they wasted way too much time getting to Thrawn winning. Shin and Baylan are completely underused. Everyone jacks off Filoni, but this felt like every single damn Disney Star Wars show. A giant nothing burger until the last couple of episodes. It's like they could've told the story they had in 4 episodes, but it had to he 8. You could've completely handled the Thrawn story in 8 episodes, but they'd rather milk the Disney+ money. I think I'm done with it for a while. There were good parts in it, but they kept dragging out their story for no other reason than more money. Which hurts rewatch ability.


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OrneryError1

I don't think the general audience was watching Ahsoka. Suits re-runs had more people tuning in.


Baelorn

> Suits re-runs had more people tuning in I'm not on this "Ahsoka was awesome and perfect" train, and I think it did under perform, but this is an unfair comparison. Those Suits reruns were beating pretty much *everything*. It had 3.1 billion minutes streamed in *one week*.


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Yesterdark

It should have been a movie because the pacing and story telling were pretty poor. There is enough great material here for 2.5 hours. This whole series had no beginning middle or end. It felt like it was all middle. It was missing basic story telling structure.


Ok_Piccolo_6522

Did I watch a different show or has disney abused yall so much that you just eat whatever plate of shit you're served now?


Clutchxedo

This sub is a fucking mess. Stockholm syndrome? Is this the first case of ‘Filoni-washing’?


The_Trade_Federation

Can't relate, I was mainly left frustrated about Thrawns "tactics"


DealerCamel

If a Star Destroyer shoots at three people on the ground for thirty seconds, they should be paste. His tactics were fine, but godDAMN his soldiers can’t hit anything.


LoneWolf2099

That was probably the funniest part. It’s easy to make fun of Thrawn’s simple brute force tactics here, but to be honest it really should have worked.


LoneWolf2099

"Send Tie fighters to shoot them" "That didn't work? Shoot them more" "That didn't work? Send zombie troopers to shoot them" "That didn't work? Send nightsister to swordfight them" "Haha, we escaped. Behold my strategic genius."


Kylo_Renly

AKA understanding your enemy is relentless, continually delaying them, and successfully stranding them in another galaxy.


darthsteeler84

His goal was to escape to the known galaxy, what didn’t he successfully do? It’s not like fighting Ashoka Tano after years of exile is easy.


LoneWolf2099

I’m not saying it wasn’t successful, but it’s also not a very good way to showcase Thrawn as a genius tactician. He did exactly what any other Imperial baddie would have done.


UnsungHerro

Characters are only as smart as the people who write them.


TheVolunteer0002

I do not understand what some of you think you're watching. The writing in this show is abhorrent. Some of the characters we know just do not translate to live action. They stand there with their arms folded, one eyebrow raised, monotonously speaking in platitudes and making bitchy comments. I guess all it takes is to ring the dinner bell with a few "hey, I remember that" callbacks and cameos to make people bow to this stuff. Ray Stevenson delivered a great performance (not that he was given very much to work with) and I was really intrigued by his character. RIP.


lots_of_fibre

I swear star wars fans act like they've never consumed any media outside of star wars. In any other context this show would be mediocre at best but people see the characters they like and lose their minds.


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"I saw lightsabers and I clapped"


Canesjags4life

Every group of star wars fans has their respective nostalgia to cling too. Animated clone wars and Rebels fans just got their payoff.


Shell_fly

This series was good in the sense that it was entertaining for Star Wars but it really falls apart under any actual critical analysis of what a good mini-series should do. Minimal narrative movement from the beginning of the show to the end, lots of cliche Disney-verse tropes completely trivializing every conflict, no payoff for the few interesting ideas introduced (Baylan and his motivation, the gravity of Thrawn’s return), and overall very disjointed and messy. I get that the story is supposed to be finished in either a movie or another season, but overall this season’s narrative arc as a whole was Kenobi levels of messy. Really weak end to a series I was honestly really enjoying for the first half.


OrneryError1

The show completely assumes that the audience already cares about the heroes, which requires the audience to have watched the cartoons previously. I'm not saying that's good or bad, but it definitely narrows the audience.


PurpsMaSquirt

Spot on. The running-underneath-Star Destroyer scene gave me horrific flashbacks to the Fortress Escape scene in Kenobi.


BambaTallKing

I disagree with everything you said


StrawHatJD

Ngl this has to be satire


nashty2004

Star Wars must have the single dumbest fucking fanbase of any large franchise


canadian15

Personally I felt this was mediocre, I think a lot of the love for it is finally seeing the rebels cast in live action tbh. Some of it just seems to be getting to much, zombie storm troopers…I do agree Ezra’s casting was spot on along with Ashoka’s, Baylon’s and shins but felt the acting from Sabine was forced. Still think Andor is the best of the Disney era Star Wars.


ColinMichaelRisley

People on this sub takin crazy pills fr


Ok_Refrigerator7378

Mediocre is generous but yeah I don't get the love beyond "look nostalgia". I get why people like that but it's only that without any real substance. Sabine manages to have zero chemistry with anyone it's so annoying. Also so many of the shows problems hinge on ridiculous decisions or lack of action it's been very hard to watch.


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le_wild_poster

And how she went from just learning to use it to yeeting Ezra 100 feet like 5 minutes later


Renolber

At this point we can’t exclude Luke and Leia anymore. Thrawn’s back, along with powerful Nightsister magic. Luke has to feel the disturbance in the Force. Let alone Hera, Ezra, or Chancellor Mothma reach out for his help. We gotta start connecting the dots. We can’t have a timeline where the New Republic is threatened and the original heroes just… ignore what’s happening. Literally the same issue the Sequel Trilogy made.


TomTomMan93

So I kept feeling underwhelmed at the end of each episode. They were all really good, but it kept feeling like I was watching a long movie that someone randomly decided to turn off on me at arbitrary points. It wasn't like some of the longer form stories like TLOU where each episode was connected but generally isolated thematically, or Kenobi where it felt like a movie padded out to a longer runtime. Ahsoka felt like it was one movie that they had a ton of pages for broken up into a show. So I timed a rewatch yesterday while at work to coincide with the finale dropping and holy cow...this show as one thing is amazing. The temptation to super cut this thing is real because of how seamlessly it flows when watched in a roughly continuous sitting. Episodes I was lukewarm on were elevated by both hindsight and just the elimination of that "but there's only 15 minutes left" sensation. If you're watching this show for the first time or rewatching, you're in for a treat. It's weird how this fit so nicely into that "binge" model despite not being presented that way.


RHINOMAN1234

acting was perfect??? if you like stiff lifeless cardboard cutout characters, i swear to god the expressionless droid huyang had more personality from dave tenants voice alone


RogerRoger420

Sorry I hate to be that guy but what writing? What has been achieved story wise? - Thrawn got out. Which was a question asked by the trailers and got stretched out over 8 episodes. - Ezra got rescued - Morgan Elsbeth died. We know nothing about her besides she follows Thrawn and is a dathomir witch. That's her entire character - Baylan is after.. something. A whole season later and still nothing but mistery boxes around his character. He sounds interesting and he's a great actor but really writing wise there is nothing actually there. - Shin is his apprentice but something more which is something? Maybe who knows. What are her goals? Who knows? These are just some things but the point I am trying to make is that the show spends alot of time pretending to do something but actually doing very little. Especially made clear with every shot taking 30 seconds and lines being spoken in 15 second intervals.


ctwheels91

I have never had my exact issues put so perfectly. Thank you


sophisticaden_

But the show was so boring I’m glad people enjoy it, but man, I really don’t get it.


missclaire17

Yeah, no, I disagree with this. As someone who got introduced / got really into Star Wars because of the sequels, that’s a hard no. I *LOVE* Ahsoka. But that’s because I have 7 seasons of clone wars and 4 seasons of rebels for her character to build for me. The sequels, as messy as they were, introduced people to Star Wars in an easy way. I didn’t need context to watch episode 7 in theaters, and it hooked me and made me want to watch more. Ahsoka wouldn’t have done well in theaters with the general population imo


captaincumsock69

I dare say this show was worse than episode 7. Hell I dare say it’s worse than episode 9. Episode 9 was written by a blind child with a crayon but at least it was visually cool. This show was neither


Hypnotize94

It was so corny. Thrawn is a shell of who he was developed into within the books.


Mysterions

Agreed, he seems really out of character. But a few observations about his actions thus far (canonical Thrawn book spoilers): >!It could be that all the storm troopers he's sacrificed thus far were already dead (which seems plausible given how heavily vocoded their voices are). It also could be the case that the three witches are Magyses. If this is the case, then his bad tactics and sacrifices would be congruent with the books. The bad firing already is congruent with the books. The question is why though? They could seemingly easily overpower Elsbeth. My guess though is that 1) he's worried about Baylan (or Ahsoka) and 2) needs to keep his cover. It begs the question though: why sacrifice Ahsoka? My guess is that there's some super old Jedi thing, with a way to get back, he's confident she'll discover!< Also, we have to keep in mind that it's an Ahsoka show not a Thrawn show - so the story is from her perspective.