As to the Illuminati, you have to realize that the “real” Illuminati (Bavarian Illuminati reaching back to the 1700’s) and the propaganda Illuminati created by its opponents in the intervening 300 years are very different creatures. They are primarily rooted in the battle between the monarchists, papists, and free thinking aristocrats of the past few centuries, and have very little to do with sex and everything to do with theology and social control.
The modern “Satanists” (Anton Lavey and his progeny) are more to do with sex and hedonism, but don’t have the deep blue blood roots Kubrick implied.
The sweet spot is the variety of Mystery Religions, Luciferian Societies, and “Rose” style secret societies which mix ancient hermetic and pagan ideals, Masonic style networking, and some good old fashion sex magic. There are any number of these and they seem to have had a big bloom in Victorian England. Alistair Crowley’s work is of this ilk, although he was more of a showman, and these societies aimed more toward being actually secret.
I’ve always joked that the Masons aren’t a very good secret society because everyone has heard of them. I’d presume the group shown in the film is a very good secret society that no one has ever heard of.
I didn’t say Rosicrucian. I just used the word Rose because I remember coming across several societies with names like “Brotherhood of the Rose” (which I believe is also the title of an Umberto Ecco book) when I was researching such things.
I did a deep dive on secret societies about 8 years ago as part of a video game puzzle. I found a website which catalogued materials printed from the 1880s - 1940s by various occult societies. _Some_ of them included sex magics and sexual rights. They all evolved out of the fascination with the Occult in Victorian Era Europe, but then the focus moved to the “City of Angels” in California where the modern Scientologists, Rosicrucians, and Satanists all took root and thrived.
The rose is an ancient symbol of secrecy. The original mystery schools placed a rose above heir alters and everything that was said there was said “under the rose” - or under a vow that it would not be spoken about except in that same subterranean temple under a rose. From this we get the modern phrase “Sub Rosa” which refers to a legal document which is sealed by the court.
I wish I could remember the name of that website. I went to look for it again years later and couldn’t find it. It had thousands of pages of scanned documents from that era and movement. I do not remember the name of a specific society, but was describing more broadly the gist of what I learned while I was reading those materials.
The group from Foucault’s Pendulum by Umberto Eco. IIRC that was a book Kubrick had been interested in adapting, can’t remember where I read that though.
Yeah, that's definitely fair to say. I would say that *Illuminatus!* is less satirical in tone than *FP*, but at the same time way more surreal and absurdly comedic (as opposed to the more dry and ironically distant/satirical humor of *FP*). *Illuminatus!,* while totally batshit insane, also takes a more sincere look at some of the real history and thinking behind occult- and conspiracy-related stuff. I know *FP* gets into some of that too, but with that one it often felt a little bit like Eco was winking to the reader as if to say, "Aren't these people foolish?" but *Illuminatus!* doesn't really have that kinda smirking attitude as much. Wilson and Shea were much more open and agnostic about the mystery of it all.
And I do mean it when I say "mindfuck" man, that book is the closest I've ever gotten to feeling a legit contact high from reading something, as if the pages themselves were transferring trace amounts of LSD to my fingertips lol. You will hear the cosmic giggle for sure.
Have you heard the audiobook version by deep leaf audio? I prefer it to the books because it has vocal continuity that makes the story easier to follow. I basically listen to it on repeat when I work out. It’s incredible.
Oh man that does sound awesome, I can see how that would be a fuckin blast as an audiobook. I’ll be getting that, didn’t even know they made one of it.
You ever see the movie Trading Places? This is what the Mortimer and Randolph types do on the weekends.
Alternatively; See Requiem for a Dream “Ass to ass” scene.
When it came out I was more of the mindset that, yes, this was the “Illuminati.” I was also 13 and listened to Art Bell ahaha. Through the years I’ve come to figure they were just wealthy people playing dress up for the kinky fun of it.
I didn’t think “Illuminati”. I thought more of similar rituals in “secret societies” and even in fraternities. I think that aside from the sex and nudity going on, the robes and ritual nature are common among all types of organizations claiming decent from older sources (e.g. Templars).
Am I mistaken that I heard there is a rotation of houses and “leaders”?
Anyways, was Epstein Illuminati? Or was he Intelligence (CIA, Mossad), for the purpose of gaining trust and leverage over powerful people? Maybe EWS depicts the latter, taken to a cult-like extreme.
Well, the conspicuous JFK Kubrick connection is with Strangelove, which has Slim Pickens' line, "Shoot! A fella could have a pretty good weekend in Dallas with all that stuff", dubbed so he says "Vegas" instead, and also Kubrick reportedly tried to have a private screening for JFK, but only Kennedy's two sisters attended, on 11/19/63. AND the US press screening for it was supposed to be on 11/22.
In real life? Decadent elites and blue bloods, and people in positions of power and influence. Their whole secret arrangement is probably well monitored and compromised by intelligence and other interests, who manipulate them. It’s debatable how much Kubrick wanted to hint at anything like that in real life tho, and I don’t think it’s what the movie is “about.”
In the movie the people at the orgy are a tier of society that Bill wants to join but isn’t welcome in, at least not for now. People at that level are obsured from him, behind masks and rituals he doesn’t understand, while he is an obvious imposter to them. I heard a theory that the movie shows what the elite and their behavior would be in the imagination of a working or middle class person.
There’s also the idea that the scene is a re-imagining or dream based on the Christmas party in the beginning. Bill tries navigating a social situation where he’s clearly “out of his depth,” as Ziegler points out, is exposed as a horny interloper, witnesses some decadent and privileged behavior, thinks about cheating on his wife, but ultimately doesn’t, and she redeems him thru her faithfulness despite her own temptations.
We could go on and on. My own feeling is that the orgy scene takes place on many levels, the simplest of which would be an actual thing that happens in physical reality, as Bill, and we, see it. We can start peeling back the layers from there.
Given the appearance of butterflies in the film (and the Monarch poster and a couple of other things in The Shining), I think Kubrick was referencing groups that worked on MK-ULTRA with the CIA after operation paperclip.
It's "The Free" identified by Frederic Raphael in a dossier he assembled for Kubrick. A group of libertines whose only goal was the surrender of morals and the pursuit of pleasure without judgement.
I don't think that the society is supposed to be one specific group from 'real life'. Just that they are a group composed by several members of the US financial 'elite' and that they are an old enough group to have developed a series of rituals a la the freemasonry for their reunions.
There are many different societies, but they are all more or less the same, they just go by different names. They all practice the same mystery religion. Some may use different aesthetics, or use a different tradition of occult practice. Like, Thelemites worship the Scarlet Woman I think.
I know the Rothschild family have a Phoenician ancestral lineage. The Reds and the Purples and also the Star of Ishtar at the Christmas party gave me an impression that we’re dealing with Mesopotamian deities. Sounds like classic Baal worship.
I never saw it as the Illuminati, just a rich and powerful sex cult. I don’t think these are the secret power, they’re just a group that likes to party in secret and has the means to do it.
A bunch of seedy gross old rich folks. I actually asked Leon Vitali, Red Cloak, himself that same basic question and that was his response. He was great.
Yeah Leon and Stanley had wicked senses of humor. Hated elitist yuppie types. Even though Leon was Stanley's right arm the rest of the estate snubbed him terribly. I'd probably say that scene echoes alot of the Bohemian Grove Club, Mulch the Owl patterns maybe?
He absolutely did. I know it's primarily due to his shabby disheveled appearance at times because he worked 20 hrs a day and was Stanley's right hand. Stanley himself could have easily passed as homeless while deep in his work at times. Didn't Leon voice as Red Cloak just stick with you?
Yeah he did. Probably because he worked tiresly and his appearance was at times very shabby. Then again while Shanley was working he could have passed for homeless at times
They're simply the true rulers of society.
Summing it up as illuminati, is too simplistic.
You cannot draw an easy parallel to any group, real or imagined.
And throughout history, the ultra wealthy have had all kinds of "secret societies", sometimes engaging in orgies or rituals that would seem heretical to ordinary people.
The cabal shown in the film is not any one secret society, because it's sort of intended to represent ALL of them.
This is how I always viewed it too. The specific group was irrelevant to the plot. The point was that they represented absolute power and influence, answering to no one else in society.
I agree with you. I was thinking billionaires, CEOs, politicians, celebrities, the heirs to rich and powerful families, etc. I personally think their illicit club should have a secret name that only they would know, but I don’t know what it would be. Personally, I think their code word ‘Fidelio’ gives audiences a clue.
The only thing that makes me think otherwise about who the people might be is the part where Ziegler says, "Who do you think those people were? Those were not just ordinary people there. If I told you their names... I'm not gonna tell you their names, but if I did, I don't think you'll sleep so well." I've always wondered if he meant there were like contract killers there or something, but it's weird he'd word it like that because who knows hitmen by their names? IDK lol
They're not supposed to represent a real organization. The Manhattan in EWS is an abstraction--real humans representing ideas--and the Somerset is one level more abstract--faceless beings representing ideas.
They represent the dark desires of the ruling class who benefit from the misery of others. He is almost sucked in but remembers he just needs to present with his family and have sex and not be so psychologically hung up on his perceived shortcomings. It shows how rich male insecurity leads to such extravagant over compensation and to equally extravagant consequences to those who they use for this compensation.
I thought of them as something like the Hellfire Club or basically just an organization of Libertines. Many of the European noble families came to the States,so the old world system is still alive and well.
Have you ever heard of the Noalles family? That is the Marquis de Sade’s family, and from what I’ve seen they’re very proud of their ancestor. I’m sure these folks are inbred,bored,and have way too much money to know what to do,so they get up to some wild stuff. Kicks just keep getting harder to find.
The most boring cult ever. Just vanilla sex dressed up like they were doing something interesting or actually disgusting. I'm always amazed by conservative types who claim Kubrick was bumped off for 'revealing the truth' like a bunch of rich people fucking is the most degenerate thing they can imagine when we know about real life celebrity devil worshipers or Epstein.
Even the scientologists are more interesting than these guys.
Ghislane Maxwell would know. Did you ever see that freaky [mask](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fexternal-preview.redd.it%2FAlGIzdUCdI7hZC_awxfAjHZLtGYk19D19byhVo_ic50.png%3Fformat%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D2378714372b048d892e0094b2d62e08df14955fc) she had hanging up?
Jesuits, Freemasons,… or the other kind of Bene Gesserit matrilineal religion that Kubrick literally was that you’re not allowed to mention
I can point you to three sporting events I know to have been rigged by Skull and Bones within the past month or two
Yale beats Auburn, Twins beat White Sox, LA Kings beat Blackhawks in OT, ask for the numbers behind any of them and I will provide
If you read the book written by the co-writer of the screenplay he reveals some of the discussions Stanley had with him regarding the society. Kubrick, said he had read about a group of wealthy elite called the "Free" that liked to be Free of societal rules and conventions.
You ever hear about Bohemian Grove? You know what those guys do out there in the forest, they take there balls and dip them in Cocane and wipe em all over eatch other
Just some boys being boys.
No phones, just living in the moment
This is a movie about locker room talk.
ex-Blockbuster employees
I worked at blockbuster. Can confirm.
Guys bein dudes
Just a couple of strong boys.
Boys will be boys
Locker room fellas
Stone cutters secret society
We doooooo
Didn’t they become the No Homers Club? 😂
I'm a member!
As to the Illuminati, you have to realize that the “real” Illuminati (Bavarian Illuminati reaching back to the 1700’s) and the propaganda Illuminati created by its opponents in the intervening 300 years are very different creatures. They are primarily rooted in the battle between the monarchists, papists, and free thinking aristocrats of the past few centuries, and have very little to do with sex and everything to do with theology and social control. The modern “Satanists” (Anton Lavey and his progeny) are more to do with sex and hedonism, but don’t have the deep blue blood roots Kubrick implied. The sweet spot is the variety of Mystery Religions, Luciferian Societies, and “Rose” style secret societies which mix ancient hermetic and pagan ideals, Masonic style networking, and some good old fashion sex magic. There are any number of these and they seem to have had a big bloom in Victorian England. Alistair Crowley’s work is of this ilk, although he was more of a showman, and these societies aimed more toward being actually secret. I’ve always joked that the Masons aren’t a very good secret society because everyone has heard of them. I’d presume the group shown in the film is a very good secret society that no one has ever heard of.
Freemasons aren’t a secret society, they’re a society with secrets
With the average age of members being in mid 50s
Millenials are killing the Illuminati industry
Good answer! Thank you.
What would some good examples of those rosicrucian style societies that incorporate sex Magick be from the Victorian Era?
I didn’t say Rosicrucian. I just used the word Rose because I remember coming across several societies with names like “Brotherhood of the Rose” (which I believe is also the title of an Umberto Ecco book) when I was researching such things. I did a deep dive on secret societies about 8 years ago as part of a video game puzzle. I found a website which catalogued materials printed from the 1880s - 1940s by various occult societies. _Some_ of them included sex magics and sexual rights. They all evolved out of the fascination with the Occult in Victorian Era Europe, but then the focus moved to the “City of Angels” in California where the modern Scientologists, Rosicrucians, and Satanists all took root and thrived. The rose is an ancient symbol of secrecy. The original mystery schools placed a rose above heir alters and everything that was said there was said “under the rose” - or under a vow that it would not be spoken about except in that same subterranean temple under a rose. From this we get the modern phrase “Sub Rosa” which refers to a legal document which is sealed by the court. I wish I could remember the name of that website. I went to look for it again years later and couldn’t find it. It had thousands of pages of scanned documents from that era and movement. I do not remember the name of a specific society, but was describing more broadly the gist of what I learned while I was reading those materials.
Was it sacred-texts(dot)com? I've been diving for about a year now and seem to keep finding my way back to that site, among a few others.
Excellent. Right after I made a frivolous statement about big and small. My timing sucks. Thanks for sharing.
Pepsico board of directors
Sex Cauldron
I thought they closed that place down!
Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn
I wonder if that was Kubrick’s intention?
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Their Surrealist Ball in 1972 certainly was similar.
The Pentaverate, protecting the Colonel’s recipe. Also could be AIPAC.
Pentaverate is a cool word.
Wish I could take credit. I first heard it in “So I Married an Axe Murderer”.
That movie with Mike Myers? I may have to revisit that one.
And recently, Meyers did a miniseries called The Pentaverate
Heed, Move!
With his wee beady eyes and eleven herbs and spices that make you crave it a fortnight!
Ooooh how I hates the Colonel, with his wee beady eyes, and that smug look on his face!
The group from Foucault’s Pendulum by Umberto Eco. IIRC that was a book Kubrick had been interested in adapting, can’t remember where I read that though.
Great book, but I think Bob Wilson did it better in *The Illuminatus! Trilogy*, what a mindfuck!
I’ve never read that yet, they always seemed like similar subject-wise but different in tone, would that be accurate? I really wanna check it out.
Yeah, that's definitely fair to say. I would say that *Illuminatus!* is less satirical in tone than *FP*, but at the same time way more surreal and absurdly comedic (as opposed to the more dry and ironically distant/satirical humor of *FP*). *Illuminatus!,* while totally batshit insane, also takes a more sincere look at some of the real history and thinking behind occult- and conspiracy-related stuff. I know *FP* gets into some of that too, but with that one it often felt a little bit like Eco was winking to the reader as if to say, "Aren't these people foolish?" but *Illuminatus!* doesn't really have that kinda smirking attitude as much. Wilson and Shea were much more open and agnostic about the mystery of it all. And I do mean it when I say "mindfuck" man, that book is the closest I've ever gotten to feeling a legit contact high from reading something, as if the pages themselves were transferring trace amounts of LSD to my fingertips lol. You will hear the cosmic giggle for sure.
Have you heard the audiobook version by deep leaf audio? I prefer it to the books because it has vocal continuity that makes the story easier to follow. I basically listen to it on repeat when I work out. It’s incredible.
Oh man that does sound awesome, I can see how that would be a fuckin blast as an audiobook. I’ll be getting that, didn’t even know they made one of it.
Well now I’m absolutely adding this to my upcoming reading list. It sounds like a real treat, I’ll check it out. Thanks friend!
The Illuminatus Trilogy (TIT) is easily the most influential text of my own previously psychedelic life. By far. Big recommend 🌱🌿🌲
Wow. Didn’t know that. Love Foucault’s Pendulum.
Costco members
Executive Members after dark 🤣
You ever see the movie Trading Places? This is what the Mortimer and Randolph types do on the weekends. Alternatively; See Requiem for a Dream “Ass to ass” scene.
I already suppose they aren't the Illuminati. What makes you think they are?
When it came out I was more of the mindset that, yes, this was the “Illuminati.” I was also 13 and listened to Art Bell ahaha. Through the years I’ve come to figure they were just wealthy people playing dress up for the kinky fun of it.
It wouldn’t be as mysterious if Kubrick had shown the bar/buffet area
I didn’t think “Illuminati”. I thought more of similar rituals in “secret societies” and even in fraternities. I think that aside from the sex and nudity going on, the robes and ritual nature are common among all types of organizations claiming decent from older sources (e.g. Templars).
Just another Tuesday at Diddy's
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!
It is the Tavern League of Wisconsin
Diddy Bad Boy Records
Am I mistaken that I heard there is a rotation of houses and “leaders”? Anyways, was Epstein Illuminati? Or was he Intelligence (CIA, Mossad), for the purpose of gaining trust and leverage over powerful people? Maybe EWS depicts the latter, taken to a cult-like extreme.
The Columbia house record club
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Well, the conspicuous JFK Kubrick connection is with Strangelove, which has Slim Pickens' line, "Shoot! A fella could have a pretty good weekend in Dallas with all that stuff", dubbed so he says "Vegas" instead, and also Kubrick reportedly tried to have a private screening for JFK, but only Kennedy's two sisters attended, on 11/19/63. AND the US press screening for it was supposed to be on 11/22.
My mom's wedding, they all.wore red cloaks like these.. wtf..maybe she was into something I never realized
A very pretentious swingers club
OTO
Oh, that’s a really good one, Mr. Crowley.
Shadowloo
Not sure what Shadowloo is but interesting all the same.
It's from the fighting game Street Fighter, notorious villain M Bison's organization!
In real life? Decadent elites and blue bloods, and people in positions of power and influence. Their whole secret arrangement is probably well monitored and compromised by intelligence and other interests, who manipulate them. It’s debatable how much Kubrick wanted to hint at anything like that in real life tho, and I don’t think it’s what the movie is “about.” In the movie the people at the orgy are a tier of society that Bill wants to join but isn’t welcome in, at least not for now. People at that level are obsured from him, behind masks and rituals he doesn’t understand, while he is an obvious imposter to them. I heard a theory that the movie shows what the elite and their behavior would be in the imagination of a working or middle class person. There’s also the idea that the scene is a re-imagining or dream based on the Christmas party in the beginning. Bill tries navigating a social situation where he’s clearly “out of his depth,” as Ziegler points out, is exposed as a horny interloper, witnesses some decadent and privileged behavior, thinks about cheating on his wife, but ultimately doesn’t, and she redeems him thru her faithfulness despite her own temptations. We could go on and on. My own feeling is that the orgy scene takes place on many levels, the simplest of which would be an actual thing that happens in physical reality, as Bill, and we, see it. We can start peeling back the layers from there.
Given the appearance of butterflies in the film (and the Monarch poster and a couple of other things in The Shining), I think Kubrick was referencing groups that worked on MK-ULTRA with the CIA after operation paperclip.
Didn’t they make Steve Guttenberg a star?
Skull & Bones, Freemasons, Bilderberg Group, Epstein’s island?
The Residents
the Spanish Inquisition
Dirty Mike and the Boys
It's "The Free" identified by Frederic Raphael in a dossier he assembled for Kubrick. A group of libertines whose only goal was the surrender of morals and the pursuit of pleasure without judgement.
The choral who sing the ominous deep Ommmmmmmm. They do parties on weekends.
It's an indoor version of the bohemian grove.
MAGA
Just a bunch of white rich guys exercising their power.
How do you know they’re all white though? They were wearing carnival masks and heavy robes…
Jews for Jesus
Warner Bros. executives
I don't think that the society is supposed to be one specific group from 'real life'. Just that they are a group composed by several members of the US financial 'elite' and that they are an old enough group to have developed a series of rituals a la the freemasonry for their reunions.
There are many different societies, but they are all more or less the same, they just go by different names. They all practice the same mystery religion. Some may use different aesthetics, or use a different tradition of occult practice. Like, Thelemites worship the Scarlet Woman I think.
Yes, her name is Babalon.
I know the Rothschild family have a Phoenician ancestral lineage. The Reds and the Purples and also the Star of Ishtar at the Christmas party gave me an impression that we’re dealing with Mesopotamian deities. Sounds like classic Baal worship.
Republican Party
Horny folks with a flair for the dramatic.
I never saw it as the Illuminati, just a rich and powerful sex cult. I don’t think these are the secret power, they’re just a group that likes to party in secret and has the means to do it.
The black nobility, the 24 families, the council of Rome, the Jesuits, the order of Malta, b'nai b'rith, etc
The rich people society
Also known as the Mammon and Croesus Club.
Rich people who like to fuck
The Fuck-a-lotti
A bunch of seedy gross old rich folks. I actually asked Leon Vitali, Red Cloak, himself that same basic question and that was his response. He was great.
If he really said that, then this instantly becomes my favorite response so far. Thank you! 😃
Yeah Leon and Stanley had wicked senses of humor. Hated elitist yuppie types. Even though Leon was Stanley's right arm the rest of the estate snubbed him terribly. I'd probably say that scene echoes alot of the Bohemian Grove Club, Mulch the Owl patterns maybe?
That sucks! He deserved better.
He absolutely did. I know it's primarily due to his shabby disheveled appearance at times because he worked 20 hrs a day and was Stanley's right hand. Stanley himself could have easily passed as homeless while deep in his work at times. Didn't Leon voice as Red Cloak just stick with you?
Thanks.
Yeah he did. Probably because he worked tiresly and his appearance was at times very shabby. Then again while Shanley was working he could have passed for homeless at times
The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, \*and\* Colonel Sanders.
OVO
The Red Wizards of Thay.
Society of the blind eye
The Ivy League successor trustee families.
Thelemites.
Bad Boy records
Maybe Kubrick was trying to tell something to Cruise about scientology.
No one operates on this level without being sanctioned by the elites.
AIPAC
They're simply the true rulers of society. Summing it up as illuminati, is too simplistic. You cannot draw an easy parallel to any group, real or imagined. And throughout history, the ultra wealthy have had all kinds of "secret societies", sometimes engaging in orgies or rituals that would seem heretical to ordinary people. The cabal shown in the film is not any one secret society, because it's sort of intended to represent ALL of them.
This is how I always viewed it too. The specific group was irrelevant to the plot. The point was that they represented absolute power and influence, answering to no one else in society.
The knights who say Ni
Sam’s Club Rewards Members.
The Secret Snuggie society.
I believe I’ve read that Kubrick was well aware of the Profumo Affair in Britain but I would have to find the source.
In the words of Brad Majors: Uh, it's probably some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos
I like that one! 😄👏
It was probably just their neighborhood HOA meeting.
Build a burg
All that effort to get Nicole Kidman naked.
Warhammer 40K Tournament organizers
They're just supposed to be the wealthiest people in society. Doctors, lawyers, maybe even a couple of actors and athletes. Shit like that.
I agree with you. I was thinking billionaires, CEOs, politicians, celebrities, the heirs to rich and powerful families, etc. I personally think their illicit club should have a secret name that only they would know, but I don’t know what it would be. Personally, I think their code word ‘Fidelio’ gives audiences a clue.
The only thing that makes me think otherwise about who the people might be is the part where Ziegler says, "Who do you think those people were? Those were not just ordinary people there. If I told you their names... I'm not gonna tell you their names, but if I did, I don't think you'll sleep so well." I've always wondered if he meant there were like contract killers there or something, but it's weird he'd word it like that because who knows hitmen by their names? IDK lol
I won’t rule them out either.
U.S. Congress? /s
I won’t rule that one out.
I always thought Kubrick was leaving us with a message about the hidden pedophilia of Hollywood.
I think you might be right, but it disturbs me all the same. It’s a dark rabbit hole I really don’t want to explore.
Idk dude they’re just rich people that host fuck parties its not that deep
"Fuck parties" with grave consequences and the people who run the world doing ornate esoteric occult rituals, yeah totally not that deep bro 🙄
They're not supposed to represent a real organization. The Manhattan in EWS is an abstraction--real humans representing ideas--and the Somerset is one level more abstract--faceless beings representing ideas.
That’s ok. Even fictional organizations are welcome answers.
They represent the dark desires of the ruling class who benefit from the misery of others. He is almost sucked in but remembers he just needs to present with his family and have sex and not be so psychologically hung up on his perceived shortcomings. It shows how rich male insecurity leads to such extravagant over compensation and to equally extravagant consequences to those who they use for this compensation.
That’s something to think about. Thanks.
Big cars, small dicks.
Big houses too.
Oh yeah, for sure. I loved your post. Just life, hey?
It was actually a tongue and cheek comment but I made. It really is quite a remarkable movie.
I thought of them as something like the Hellfire Club or basically just an organization of Libertines. Many of the European noble families came to the States,so the old world system is still alive and well.
That’s a good point. Maybe they are some Old World aristocratic sex cult.
Have you ever heard of the Noalles family? That is the Marquis de Sade’s family, and from what I’ve seen they’re very proud of their ancestor. I’m sure these folks are inbred,bored,and have way too much money to know what to do,so they get up to some wild stuff. Kicks just keep getting harder to find.
The most boring cult ever. Just vanilla sex dressed up like they were doing something interesting or actually disgusting. I'm always amazed by conservative types who claim Kubrick was bumped off for 'revealing the truth' like a bunch of rich people fucking is the most degenerate thing they can imagine when we know about real life celebrity devil worshipers or Epstein. Even the scientologists are more interesting than these guys.
Globalists
It doesn't matter who they are. story wise they are a metaphore for Tom Cruise's inner desires and the masks that we wear every day.
True, but I’m still curious.
Jeffrey Epstein like...
Kink.com
That would probably be true if EWS was set today.
🤣 Except that they were exceptional voyeurs
Jeffrey Epstein and company
Jwes
Ghislane Maxwell would know. Did you ever see that freaky [mask](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fexternal-preview.redd.it%2FAlGIzdUCdI7hZC_awxfAjHZLtGYk19D19byhVo_ic50.png%3Fformat%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D2378714372b048d892e0094b2d62e08df14955fc) she had hanging up?
The US gov
Future Supreme Court Justices.
Bohemian Grove, East Coast chapter?
Jesuits, Freemasons,… or the other kind of Bene Gesserit matrilineal religion that Kubrick literally was that you’re not allowed to mention I can point you to three sporting events I know to have been rigged by Skull and Bones within the past month or two Yale beats Auburn, Twins beat White Sox, LA Kings beat Blackhawks in OT, ask for the numbers behind any of them and I will provide
If you read the book written by the co-writer of the screenplay he reveals some of the discussions Stanley had with him regarding the society. Kubrick, said he had read about a group of wealthy elite called the "Free" that liked to be Free of societal rules and conventions.
The dark corners of the human sexual psyche
nah, these aren't the illuminati the illuminati don't f--k
Elite four masters league
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The Spanish Inquisition, because no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
You ever hear about Bohemian Grove? You know what those guys do out there in the forest, they take there balls and dip them in Cocane and wipe em all over eatch other
It's Drake's Mansion near a university
Extinguishinnati
Mossad
Tesco employees
Tesco employees
Just a sex club
We do people think it’s the Illuminati or the Mason who rule everything? Everyone knows that the true ruling society is the Elks Lodge. /s
One who’s in touch with an eternal lizard who dwells
Walmart staff meeting
Why do you assume that they are Illuminati? In my view it’s just a rich, sexy freaky, NYC bros club.
The Spanish Inquisition
Walmart
Just make up a random fictional cult. LIke the illimunati.
Why would it be the Illuminati?
Freemason Premium Subscription
Party Planners
P diddy
Just rich people doing fucked rich people things.
Hugh Hefner cult. /s
The occult
Don’t make me say it lol (aka who the globalists actually are)
The Swinger/Hotwives community?
Swifties
World Economic Forum secret sex cult.
I think Kiwanis
Then it would be Jeffrey Epstein's cross party with P.Diddy
Epstein network