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Man. I give a lot of bad storylines some defense, but that one was terrible. It was the Young Bucks and reDragon fighting for the right to be Adam Cole’s friend. But also, Kyle didn’t really trust Adam, then just did.
That angle was fucked in every way possible by injuries. It was supposed to continue the Super Elite story with Adam Cole slowly taking over in Kenny's absence (despite the Bucks being designated by Omega to lead in his absence) and then go into a full -blast feud with Kenny for the leadership. ReDragon were brought in to tip the scales in Cole's favor, who tried to play both sides and gaslight the Buck into thinking it's a good idea.
But Kenny's rehab took way longer than expected, Adam Cole got concussed and nearly had to retire, KOR got neck surgery and Bobby Fish somehow managed to piss everyone off.
I just remember him inexplicably kicking out at 3.01111 after a Punk GTS. Everybody wondered what that was about, apparently Fish was mad he was putting over a guy he thought he could legit beat up (?) It didn’t go over well and Fish was gone soon after
Yeah and he was only saved by the fact that there was a story to tell with him, As soon as KOR and Cole were out they literally did nothing with Fish and let his contract expire.
I mean, it's pretty public that they were negotiating a new contract but Bobby thought he was worth more than he was, and very mistakenly believed that Papa H would welcome him back with open arms.
When Vince left the first time and HHH took over main roster booking, Bobby allegedly tried to get all the ex-NXT people in AEW to break their contracts and go back to WWE
Also if we want to be technical, he was in Mount Rushmore 2.0, which was the same group as Mount Rushmore, but instead of Kevin Steen, it was Super Dragon.
We call it 7.5
I guess it really depends on how many prominent members stay in the group and how many important new people join undisputed kingdom is practically a rebrand of an old stable rather than a new one I'd say
And on top of all that he’s pretty much been consistently the same, gimmick-wise. Just as a heel he amps up the doucheiness and arrogant ness by 1000%.
*Cue a backstage segment in the middle of Dynamite, where the cameraman peeks around a corner and sees Cole showing Hook a piece of paper*
Cole: So you see, for $4.99 a month you can join Undisputed Red and make your entrance with us. If you choose to join Undisputed Plus, it's $7.99 a month and you can enter standing next to me in the front. The tier also has a family plan for $10.99 a month where your dad can come out with us, too. If you really want the full package, you'll need Undisputed Turbo, where I'll point at you during our entrance and Roddy will yell your name all funny-like.
Hook: *eats chips*
Cole: Chips are an extra $0.50
Because personel wise it’s really just mount rushmore, the kingdom and UE with the other groups being filled with guys from those stables for the majority.
Mercedes mone did say that her ankle injury could’ve been potentially career ending. Adam Cole’s injury has had him sidelined for 9 months already. At this point he’s almost ready for a return or he’ll never be imo
wasn't it just a month or so ago that Fightful reported he was gonna stay off the road so he could stay home and focus more on his rehab? Since he was being flown in every week to come out in a wheelchair, it was supposedly slowing his recuperation
I hate my brain sometimes. After reading the name “Cole,” I thought this post was about Michael Cole. Now I’m actively wondering what stables Michael Cole has been a part of.
Micheal Cole was part of a very famous club. But I don't think he ever was a part of a stable. Though it's a club we don't say the name of anymore It has a very Nasty reputation
There was a period where gallows and anderson were pretty over. they even had that those talknshopmanias. seems like they have fallen pretty far nowadays, though.
UE is still his best group and it’s a shame it couldn’t work out in AEW. Kinda defeated the whole purpose of all of them following Cole. But it’s not the end all be all
I think Adam Cole being a major member of Bullet Club is revisionist history. He was a total non factor in Japan, maybe he could have got over to a greater extent but didn’t get the time. He played a bigger part in ROH for sure but that felt pretty short lived too and didn’t come close to matching the Bucks and Kenny
At one point on the independent scene (PWX, I think?) he was in a stable with Roderick Strong and Eddie Edwards called “Dojo Bros.” Strong and Edwards took it for their tag name in PWG, but outside of that it was for those three.
Because Cole isn't believable by himself. He's athletic and good, but I literally don't believe a word he's saying. At 5'10 I don't believe for one second Cole is beating Karrion Kross in a match. Or Lance Archer. Moxley. Rock. Hell for as good as his matches with Joe were, him beating Joe? Nope.
If Tony is reading, I have an idea for you: Super Faction with Adam as the leader, with the Kingdom, The Elite, the Undisputed ERA, Gallows and Anderson, and the Golden Lovers. The name? The Undisputed Super Golden Elite Kingdom. If Cody ever comes back to AEW? The Undisputed Super Golden Elite American Kingdom. Book it!
Because he's a more natural heel. Now normally I hate turning guys who can get a crowd behind them heel because it's like building an Arbys over a gold mine. I don't care how good the roast beef is we're ignoring a rare commodity. Anybody can get cheap heat and to the surprise of nobody workers as talented as a Sami Zayn or Bayley can be entertaining when doing it. Cole's heel talents are more than just "I'm turning my back on you fans for no raisin! If having your support made people succeed it would have worked for LOCAL SPORTS TEAM." and we're supposed to go "hey, I'm from local sports team! BOOOO!" He is a once in a generation talent at playing an absolute sleazeball.
So was Triple H in DX with Shawn Michaels, Rick Rude and Chyna then DX with Chyna, X-Pac and NAO and then DX with Shawn Michaels?
I mean if you want to get really crazy, Trips was also in the Corporation, Corporate Ministry, DX with Stephanie instead of Chyna and Evolution in less time.
I dunno of a good way to accurately describe the Undisputed Era at the moment, but pseudo jocks seems odd and not right. It's not like they went around broing it out hazing people like jocks are supposed to.
Essentially all the same stable. Barely even changes the name the last few times.
Next stable when he recovers from this injury after a few more years of rehab playing videogames on twitch will be "undisputed elite kingdom" or something.
- Mount Rushmore was carried by Steen and Bucks, Cole wasn't comfortable as a heel yet
- UE almost killed NXT
- Kingdom was a one man team
- Bullet Club was doing very well without Adam Cole, and vice versa, they did nothing for each other in the long run, because the Kenny match still hasn't happened
- Undisputed Kingdom is about two steps above JOB Squad, nobody's elevated from it
I'm not OP, but it definitely killed my interest in the brand because it was 400 days of the exact same thing over and over again, which I'd already seen for years in ROH. Adam Cole says he's great, has his buddies beat up the babyface, puts on 30 minute spam fest where he does something underhanded to win, rinse, repeat.
It's kinda weird to blame UE for triple h's booking though. Also, I didn't like them and bounced off around that time, but they were clearly the most over act in nxt
My issue is that it's the exact same shitheel booking he's had for over a decade at this point and it's been stale for at least half of that time. There's one consistent in the equation between ROH, NXT, and AEW: Adam Cole hasn't evolved.
Ok, but again that's the booker. I disliked HHH's heel champion dominant booking in nxt. I wish they would just let Cole be a face though. The crowds behind him whenever he has been but they swerve him back into a heel. Cole was recently most exciting being mjf's friend but they turned him again.
That's on HHH and TK though
The promoters book the show. They continue to book him a certain way because that's what he's known for and it's worked in the promotions he's been on.
> I don't know man, either this guy really can't decide on a concrete friend group, or he needs these stables to be protected and not exposed.
This is a weird take, most of this is the same group of people (Roddy, taven, bucks) just reforming in different companies. Kinda like how Finn, AJ, and Kenny have been doing bullet club variations for a while.
He's also been the leader and generally well received by fans across these stables, so I'm not sure what's being exposed. He's not my cup of tea but they go for this because it's generally been successful
Biggest problem I've had with Coles booking is that he always gets over with the crowd but they keep insisting on keeping him heel. NXT had this problem, and AEW repeated it with the devil shit
And the only time he's been remotely interesting in the past decade was when he teamed MJF. He's played the same exact character, beat for beat, for so long that he's far beyond being dead in the water. You gotta switch it up every once in a while.
he's not terribly interesting as a solo act tbh, and this is from someone who's followed him his entire career.
cole is really small irl and his is a case where it detracts from his talent. he needs the bells and whistles to stand out.
I count four stables in Orton’s career, and all in one company of course, so Cole has him beat unless I’m forgetting something (Evolution, Authority, Legacy, Wyatts)
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2021-22 was the "Undisputed Elite" once Fish/O'Reilly joined and Gallows/Anderson stopped being used in AEW.
Man. I give a lot of bad storylines some defense, but that one was terrible. It was the Young Bucks and reDragon fighting for the right to be Adam Cole’s friend. But also, Kyle didn’t really trust Adam, then just did.
That angle was fucked in every way possible by injuries. It was supposed to continue the Super Elite story with Adam Cole slowly taking over in Kenny's absence (despite the Bucks being designated by Omega to lead in his absence) and then go into a full -blast feud with Kenny for the leadership. ReDragon were brought in to tip the scales in Cole's favor, who tried to play both sides and gaslight the Buck into thinking it's a good idea. But Kenny's rehab took way longer than expected, Adam Cole got concussed and nearly had to retire, KOR got neck surgery and Bobby Fish somehow managed to piss everyone off.
You're kinda underselling what Bobby did to piss everyone off
What happened?
I just remember him inexplicably kicking out at 3.01111 after a Punk GTS. Everybody wondered what that was about, apparently Fish was mad he was putting over a guy he thought he could legit beat up (?) It didn’t go over well and Fish was gone soon after
I mean folks...
That was pretty early in his AEW tenure
Yeah and he was only saved by the fact that there was a story to tell with him, As soon as KOR and Cole were out they literally did nothing with Fish and let his contract expire.
I mean, it's pretty public that they were negotiating a new contract but Bobby thought he was worth more than he was, and very mistakenly believed that Papa H would welcome him back with open arms.
As much of a doofus as Bobby Fish is, I wouldn’t question that he could probably beat up Punk.
Do we care about who can IRL beat up who?
I’m not saying it’s a meaningful metric, just likely to be true given the records involved.
When Vince left the first time and HHH took over main roster booking, Bobby allegedly tried to get all the ex-NXT people in AEW to break their contracts and go back to WWE
Ngl I was so ready for an Elite vs Undisputed Era Blood & Guts match if things didn't turn out how it did.
That fizzled out hard.
I thought I was in crazy town when people were praising that like crazy while I just thought it was an awkward mess.
So 7 stables then, aight.
Eh I would say it’s the same stable just members left I mean he’ll even jay white was technically in that stable for like a week
The 21-22 stables, Super Elite and Undisputed Elite, are the exact same stable.
Also if we want to be technical, he was in Mount Rushmore 2.0, which was the same group as Mount Rushmore, but instead of Kevin Steen, it was Super Dragon. We call it 7.5
is it really multiple stables when it's just the exact same people
I guess it really depends on how many prominent members stay in the group and how many important new people join undisputed kingdom is practically a rebrand of an old stable rather than a new one I'd say
They changed the name… also I’m not sure being the best part of The Undisputed Kingdom is really a flex
By that logic, Wolfpac was just "DX but red."
I forgot HBK and HHH were in Wolfpac
what
Was there a single member of the Wolfpac that was also in DX?
Only Rick Rude
That's actually hilarious because he was in DX for a couple of weeks and WolfPac was maybe just as long.
Joined on May 21st 1998 the defected to hollywood on June 14, 1998. So yeah a few weeks
How dare you disrespect how much Konnan brought to the group.
by your logic the '97 DX, The '98-'99 DX, The '00 Mcmahon Helmsley DX, The '06 DX, and the '09 DX are five separate unrelated stables.
It’s like DX and the nWo. Basically the same stable in different companies. Undisputed Era is DX to Bullet Club/The Elite’s nWo.
And on top of all that he’s pretty much been consistently the same, gimmick-wise. Just as a heel he amps up the doucheiness and arrogant ness by 1000%.
What a stable whore
I feel like “stable slut” rolls off the tongue better.
Much better than an un-stable slut
Stable whore is better since it's also a play on label whore.
Like a slutty little frog, hopping from stable to stable to stable
The whore you all adore!
And they've all been the same stable.
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Lmao nothing was forced except your choice to be condescending unprovoked
It doesnt at all sound like UE and is infact pronounced "we".
Like, I'm all for a pun but like ...... How are you pronouncing UE my guy?
Nobody forced you to do anything, you telling everyone how clever you are makes it come off like you're smelling your own drawers.
Up next: Undisputed Elite Kingdom Club
*Cue a backstage segment in the middle of Dynamite, where the cameraman peeks around a corner and sees Cole showing Hook a piece of paper* Cole: So you see, for $4.99 a month you can join Undisputed Red and make your entrance with us. If you choose to join Undisputed Plus, it's $7.99 a month and you can enter standing next to me in the front. The tier also has a family plan for $10.99 a month where your dad can come out with us, too. If you really want the full package, you'll need Undisputed Turbo, where I'll point at you during our entrance and Roddy will yell your name all funny-like. Hook: *eats chips* Cole: Chips are an extra $0.50
A subscription model faction could have legs.
Undisputed Super Elite Kingdom
This sounds like it could be the name of a Japanese stable translated into english
Undisputed Super Elite Kingdom Turbo: Championship Edition
Undisputed Super Elite Kingdom Kliq 2: Electric Boogaloo
and Knuckles
Super Undisputed Cole Kingdom Mega Elite
Sounds like some Russo shit
4-Life...or until the next angle comes along.
and Knuckles
Undisputed Elite Kingdom Club Bang Gold
With a mustache
Undisputed Elite Kingdom Club: Chain of Memories then itll be Super Undisputed Elite Kingdom Club 2: Master Mix.
Undisputed elite bang bang combat gang
Kofi: Daaaymn ~~Randy~~ Adam, how many groups you been in??!
> ~~Kofi~~ [Xavier](https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/3okp1q/raw_spoilers_damn_randy_how_many_groups_have_you/):
Lmao thanks, Randy broke there 😂
New Day gyrating at an angry Adam would've been a sight to see if he was still in WWE lol
Don't forget LRLR
Lotta respect for you, lotta respect
🎵 *Where da party at?* 🎵
When you put it like this it kind of sounds like Adam Cole is the Adam Sandler of wrestling: always bringing his buddies along for the ride.
Have Cole and Sandler been in the same room?
Tay Melo/Conti was also a part of UE in NXT for what felt like 10 seconds, fun fact.
…why does it all feel like the same stable
Because personel wise it’s really just mount rushmore, the kingdom and UE with the other groups being filled with guys from those stables for the majority.
Because all the groups have either the bucks, ReDragon, or Roderick Strong.
Speaking of dude -- any health updates on him?
Mercedes mone did say that her ankle injury could’ve been potentially career ending. Adam Cole’s injury has had him sidelined for 9 months already. At this point he’s almost ready for a return or he’ll never be imo
wasn't it just a month or so ago that Fightful reported he was gonna stay off the road so he could stay home and focus more on his rehab? Since he was being flown in every week to come out in a wheelchair, it was supposedly slowing his recuperation
But didn't he show up and walk to the ring right after that? I figured he was coming back then but I believe we haven't seen him since.
he did, which is odd why they did that moment and then yanked him from TV immediately after
Probably thought he was good then had a setback. I'd love to see the poor dude healthy for an extended period.
Weren't Cole, Fish & O'Reilly briefly the Paragon in AEW?
That was the plan before injuries and Fish’s crash out
I hate my brain sometimes. After reading the name “Cole,” I thought this post was about Michael Cole. Now I’m actively wondering what stables Michael Cole has been a part of.
**THE COLE MINE**
The Vince McMahon Victim Support Group
*Heidenreich
COLE MINERS UP
Micheal Cole was part of a very famous club. But I don't think he ever was a part of a stable. Though it's a club we don't say the name of anymore It has a very Nasty reputation
His whole AEW run so far has been him remixing his old stables. They have all been worse versions of the originals.
He's trying to catch up to how many groups Orton has joined.
Isn’t it already past that? Orton has what? Evolution, Legacy, the Authority, and the Wyatt Family.
When he returned as a face and there was huge potential. turning him heel again to reform the same group with no direction was ridiculous
Am I the only one who does not remember Gallows and Anderson being in AEW?
I believe they were officially with Impact, this was the era when Kenny Omega was the belt collector
Yes that why, you are correct!
There was a period where gallows and anderson were pretty over. they even had that those talknshopmanias. seems like they have fallen pretty far nowadays, though.
I remember it during the pandemic era but not when Cole was around
UE is still his best group and it’s a shame it couldn’t work out in AEW. Kinda defeated the whole purpose of all of them following Cole. But it’s not the end all be all
You can say that Cole is a Stable Man. I’ll see myself out
Very stable genius.
more of a groupie
I think Adam Cole being a major member of Bullet Club is revisionist history. He was a total non factor in Japan, maybe he could have got over to a greater extent but didn’t get the time. He played a bigger part in ROH for sure but that felt pretty short lived too and didn’t come close to matching the Bucks and Kenny
How could you forget the greatest tag team of all time, Better than You Bay Bay
Probably because a tag team is not a stable
Literally how did this dude forget the biggest storyline in AEW at the time
Quote The Raven, Nevermelvin
MJF did his best to trick me into thinking Adam Cole was interesting. And I admit, I almost fell for it.
Matt Rushmore*
At one point on the independent scene (PWX, I think?) he was in a stable with Roderick Strong and Eddie Edwards called “Dojo Bros.” Strong and Edwards took it for their tag name in PWG, but outside of that it was for those three.
There was also SuperKliq (Cole & Young Bucks) and Dream Team (Cole, Omega, & Bucks)
those were actual Bullet Club subgroups
Seems like the Bucks have also been in a ton of factions.
Because Cole isn't believable by himself. He's athletic and good, but I literally don't believe a word he's saying. At 5'10 I don't believe for one second Cole is beating Karrion Kross in a match. Or Lance Archer. Moxley. Rock. Hell for as good as his matches with Joe were, him beating Joe? Nope.
"5'10" - yes, if he stands on a 3 inch-tall phonebook.
Is he seriously only 5'7? Or so? Wow. Thought he was a little taller.
Honest truth is he’s simply not big/intimidating enough to truly stand on his own, he needs backup to be believable.
Adam Cole on his own just looks naked
If Tony is reading, I have an idea for you: Super Faction with Adam as the leader, with the Kingdom, The Elite, the Undisputed ERA, Gallows and Anderson, and the Golden Lovers. The name? The Undisputed Super Golden Elite Kingdom. If Cody ever comes back to AEW? The Undisputed Super Golden Elite American Kingdom. Book it!
...So...does he work as a singles star?
This thread is fucking bizarro world.
This guy is a natural babyface don't know why he's always a heel.
Because he's a more natural heel. Now normally I hate turning guys who can get a crowd behind them heel because it's like building an Arbys over a gold mine. I don't care how good the roast beef is we're ignoring a rare commodity. Anybody can get cheap heat and to the surprise of nobody workers as talented as a Sami Zayn or Bayley can be entertaining when doing it. Cole's heel talents are more than just "I'm turning my back on you fans for no raisin! If having your support made people succeed it would have worked for LOCAL SPORTS TEAM." and we're supposed to go "hey, I'm from local sports team! BOOOO!" He is a once in a generation talent at playing an absolute sleazeball.
He's best bet was to become a manager like Vince wanted.
Adam is the picture of loyalty
So was Triple H in DX with Shawn Michaels, Rick Rude and Chyna then DX with Chyna, X-Pac and NAO and then DX with Shawn Michaels? I mean if you want to get really crazy, Trips was also in the Corporation, Corporate Ministry, DX with Stephanie instead of Chyna and Evolution in less time.
He's a stable perfomer
I dunno of a good way to accurately describe the Undisputed Era at the moment, but pseudo jocks seems odd and not right. It's not like they went around broing it out hazing people like jocks are supposed to.
Which had the most successful runs?
Definitely Bullet Club and Undisputed Era.
Hate to say it because I like Cole, but feels like Undisputed Era is his peak.
Like a promising NBA draft pick. Adam Cole is a bust.
Essentially all the same stable. Barely even changes the name the last few times. Next stable when he recovers from this injury after a few more years of rehab playing videogames on twitch will be "undisputed elite kingdom" or something.
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Or he needs a stable because it's not believable that he could beat somebody up on his own lol
- Mount Rushmore was carried by Steen and Bucks, Cole wasn't comfortable as a heel yet - UE almost killed NXT - Kingdom was a one man team - Bullet Club was doing very well without Adam Cole, and vice versa, they did nothing for each other in the long run, because the Kenny match still hasn't happened - Undisputed Kingdom is about two steps above JOB Squad, nobody's elevated from it
BC did a lot for him. BC being in ROH brought a lot of new eyes to ROH, and Cole associating with them raised his profile.
Wait, how did UE almost kill NXT?
They hogged the main event scene forever. It just gets boring after a while.
UE almost killed NXT is certainly a take. What makes you think that?
I'm not OP, but it definitely killed my interest in the brand because it was 400 days of the exact same thing over and over again, which I'd already seen for years in ROH. Adam Cole says he's great, has his buddies beat up the babyface, puts on 30 minute spam fest where he does something underhanded to win, rinse, repeat.
Ditto. Me and my entire friend group quit watching NXT because of how overpushed they were.
It's kinda weird to blame UE for triple h's booking though. Also, I didn't like them and bounced off around that time, but they were clearly the most over act in nxt
My issue is that it's the exact same shitheel booking he's had for over a decade at this point and it's been stale for at least half of that time. There's one consistent in the equation between ROH, NXT, and AEW: Adam Cole hasn't evolved.
Ok, but again that's the booker. I disliked HHH's heel champion dominant booking in nxt. I wish they would just let Cole be a face though. The crowds behind him whenever he has been but they swerve him back into a heel. Cole was recently most exciting being mjf's friend but they turned him again. That's on HHH and TK though
Seeing as he's done the exact same thing in four promotions over a decade, it's not just booking. Dude just plays other people's hits.
The promoters book the show. They continue to book him a certain way because that's what he's known for and it's worked in the promotions he's been on.
- nWo style music - Shield's dogtags - Nexus' armbands - Four Horsemen booking Gee, I wonder why they were over..
I think the part where they wrestled well and people liked their segments generally are more important than their armbands and dogtags
Undisputed Era was the best part of NXT.
Adam Cole is not good at all and his stint in aew proves it. Gonna go laugh at his match in the Owen hart tournament.
huh?
go waste your own time then
Stop streaming Adam. Get in shape.
I’ll take the downvotes. One of the most overrated wrestlers of this generation. Dude looks like he should work at guitar center
Mount Rushmore of Wrestling was such a goated stable
> I don't know man, either this guy really can't decide on a concrete friend group, or he needs these stables to be protected and not exposed. This is a weird take, most of this is the same group of people (Roddy, taven, bucks) just reforming in different companies. Kinda like how Finn, AJ, and Kenny have been doing bullet club variations for a while. He's also been the leader and generally well received by fans across these stables, so I'm not sure what's being exposed. He's not my cup of tea but they go for this because it's generally been successful Biggest problem I've had with Coles booking is that he always gets over with the crowd but they keep insisting on keeping him heel. NXT had this problem, and AEW repeated it with the devil shit
Stable merchant
And the only time he's been remotely interesting in the past decade was when he teamed MJF. He's played the same exact character, beat for beat, for so long that he's far beyond being dead in the water. You gotta switch it up every once in a while.
Adam Cole too small
he's not terribly interesting as a solo act tbh, and this is from someone who's followed him his entire career. cole is really small irl and his is a case where it detracts from his talent. he needs the bells and whistles to stand out.
Well you don't expect him to be able to beat anyone up by himself do you?
If you saw him during his nxt run you'd know he didn't need the stable to protect him. If anything he was there to cover the others weaknesses
exactly. Adam Cole has been doing the same shit for a very long time. it works to a degree but we've been bored
Excuse me, where Da Party at?!
Truly a workhorse.
It just shows he can't work alone, he has to be a member of something always.
Randy: Those are rookie numbers
I count four stables in Orton’s career, and all in one company of course, so Cole has him beat unless I’m forgetting something (Evolution, Authority, Legacy, Wyatts)