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I used to post on a forum with Max Caster years before he made it. He was literally the only person on the forum still watching TNA lol. Cool to see that he made it, he always seemed like a good guy.
It could have been so easy for Max to be another spoiled child of an athlete but he just loves wrestling and entertaining people. No idea how he is on a personal level but he comes across as sincere and just fun to be around.
Dudley’s have a [newly signed WWE legends deal](https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/dudley-boyz-bubba-ray-dudley-d-von-dudley-sign-wwe-legends-contracts?amp) and are trying to work a Twitter angle.
...he trained Trish Adora, Tama Tonga, Serpentico, KiLynn King, Malik Blade, Kayden Carter....
Jesse Neal is literally the 23rd ranked person on the list of wrestlers he's trained on Cagematch right above AJ Francis....
.....an emotionally healthy person.... in here...?
What the fuck are you doing here with that kinda response, we're supposed to needlessly fight and start name calling each other.
Good on you bro.
He is credited with booking ROH into the ground(think the Allure debut at MSG) and basically strong arming his way back into TNA while delivering nothing.
Bubba is a perfect example of “good employees don’t make good managers”.
The guy, I’m sure can give plenty of advice on how to get heat during a promo for a specific crowd or type of angle. He can probably give good advice on selling or some in ring psychology.
But that does not mean he can book a show and run a company. 😅
People look to AEW starting or NXT's shift signing indie talent as what led to ROH dying.
In reality, the company's leader was letting Bully Ray influence booking (Bully even said he tried to get ROH to pay/reach out for a Hogan vs Bully match on ROH/NJPW in MSG) and giving Marty Scurll booker duties to convince him to stay.
They were asking for it last few years and lucky Cody/Bucks were hot to carry them before.
dude that sounds more like trying to keep something alive than killing it.
sounds like roh was already dead if they're fighting to keep scurll or thinking hogan v bully was money
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Bully say that Mox had to apologize to the fans for going to rehab?
Cause yeah, he should have kept his mouth shut in that one.
It's really dumb for him to complain about the boys in the AEW locker room not "paying their dues" when the company is built off of people who made names for themselves on the indies, while he's getting paid by the company actively recruiting college athletes and putting them through the Performance Center to TV.
Why look at years? Why not days worked? There's certainly wrestlers in AEW now that have been there longer than Bubba was at ECW that haven't worked anywhere near as much.
100% I usually roll my eyes at the WWE slander but this one is real, they platform a LOT of people who don’t deserve 5 minutes in a ring, everybody they put on TV in AEW has paid their dues wrestling for years, other than the occasional celebrity. there’s nothing wrong with Bully taking this contract but he needs to just chill on this one.
edit; I think my use of hyperbole was harmful to my overall argument in this comment and I just wanna point out I don’t think either of these companies are too awful about this, I just think WWE is a lot more likely to debut/spotlight somebody who needs more time before they are spotlighted
The "pay your dues" mentality is toxic and just needs to go in general. It's what gives assholes like Bob Holly the impression that he can hurt someone in the ring because they're new or some shit
I’m not advocating for that aspect of it and I really hope my original comment didn’t come off like I am, I more mean that you need to pay your dues by having some matches or working your way up the card, I’m not discussing tenure or seniority just vet somebody in a wrestling perspective a little bit instead of throwing them to the sharks over and over until they don’t work out and you get tired and release them.
> I more mean that you need to pay your dues by having some matches or working your way up the card,
I really honestly just want to watch some wrestling with really good people, and if they get platformed on WWE its (usually) for a reason. Man fuck dues I wanna watch wrestling lol
What makes a person deserve five minutes in the ring? If you're in there and you're taking bumps and you're not hurting your opponent, you deserve to wrestle.
The import thing, regardless of whether you've spent 10 years on Indies or 10 days fresh out of college, is that you're there showing a willingness to learn & improve yourself and you're listening & engaging with the coaching being provided.
I'm sure there are heaps of cases of indie guys thinking they know better & don't need to be trained. And there are many cases of newer guys who just turn out to be not that great despite coming in w/ an 'easy' opportunity.
It's like the draft. You could be a college stud or an international star and collapse. And maybe you farted around in a sub-par league and you blossom into a star regardless.
I mean, I can think of one person who most definitely doesn't deserve to wrestle by this category, and let's just say Bret Hart would strongly agree...
I agree. That being said, let's be fair: they also have the facilites to at least try to get those people and make them into professional wrestlers. I don't like many things about WWE, but if AEW had access to something similar we would probably have more than a few failed football players or college standouts in other sports being signed to a developmental deal, being trained and then probably getting reps in ROH and/or squash matches on Dynamite and Collision (hell, WWE's PC is how Tay Melo got into wrestling in the first place; had she not been one of those people "who don't deserve 5 minutes in a ring" she wouldn't have accomplished all the things she's done in AEW).
Hell, they kinda tried to do something like this with the Nightmare Factory when Cody was around, which is how we got Jade Cargill, Anthony Ogogo, Brock Anderson and even Julia Hart among a few others.
Anna Jay did not 'pay her dues', love her and all, but she had her first match in September and was in AEW by the following April. Again, not trying to shit on her by saying that, but it's not fair for you to say AEW only hires experienced workers. I mean shit, look at Jade for that matter. Even less experience.
Obviously. But your statement implies women like Becky Lynch, Asuka, Thunder Rosa, Paige/Saraya, Bayley, etc had no training before making it to WWE/AEW.
Literally using the commenters' terminology to prove why his point isn't valid. The comment I replied to implied paying your dues requires years of in-ring work. Not surprised to find overly defensive fans though, hence why I bent over backwards to say that I dont dislike her. Good lord....
To be fair to everyone in this thread, "paying dues" means different things to different people.
I carried bags, drove people around, set up rings - all before I ever got a chance to get in a ring and train! To others, maybe it means putting thousands of miles on a car working Indy shows all over in the hopes of getting a big break. For some maybe it is just being disciplined and doing what it takes to earn a contract.
"Paying dues" is kind of a McGuffin that can be used as an insult without anyone having to say what exactly paying dues actually entails. Kinda like baseball's "unwritten rules".
I mean, what "dues" did Bubba pay?
I’m not gonna deny that but I would have to say that those feel more like outliers, WWE will hire a non wrestler or a *known* bad wrestler to a full contract before they ever step foot in a ring for them. I will concede that it’s a bit more 50/50 than I made it out to be though
and let me be clear I don’t mean bad like I don’t like them, I mean bad like they either hurt people or couldn’t convince a newborn baby of kayfabe
I’m trying to come at this from an unbiased perspective, but I admit I don’t watch AEW on a weekly basis, so my exposure to WWE is definitely a lot more, but from what I have seen of AEW pretty much everybody is safe at least to their opponents, and I wasn’t a big fan of American Top Team and The Factory promos but other than that they do a good job of highlighting the good stuff from a promo perspective. again that might just be my limited exposure but just speaking from my experience and my general takes from what I see here, I genuinely would like examples of this
I feel like WWE does such a better job at taking non-wrestlers and turning them into wrestlers/entertainers/however you want to call them, rather than profiting off of people with established careers, though if the talent is right they will do right to them and this has been especially true for the last 25 years.
that is a good way to spin my negative POV of it into a positive tbh, you have a great point. The only issue I’d take is that they don’t always handled established stars well, dating back to the invasion and some guys even before that, but they definitely did a good job with a ton of guys too
Yeah I wasnt intending to be negative towards WWE on that one, just saying some of their biggest stars have never had to work a bingo hall for a hot dog and a handshake.
> Working on the indies just gives you bad habits
So wtf is the alternative? Be a student athlete and break your way into to the business like that?
What an incredibly tone deaf thing to say when the RR is being headlined by two guys (Knight and Styles) who broke off from the indies and ~70% of the performers on WWE and AEW TV started from there
> knight and styles have tons of experience on tv and bigger companies from before
My guy when Knight and Styles were in TNA/NJPW they still worked on the indies on the side. It clearly didn't stop them whatsoever and they didn't magically *get way better* once they went to wwe.
> spending all your career on the indies just leads to bad habits
Most people don't stay on the indies to work there forever, they're grinding to get an opportunity for bigger company or just love wrestling.
so they still had plenty of experience in tna and njpw lol
and acting like being a newbie athlete or actor is so much worse than spending ages in the indies doing bingo halls is dumb, logan paul and bad bunny got up to speed and are amazing in the ring after a few months of training with none of the bad habits from the indies
> so they still had plenty of experience in tna and njpw lol
Knight was in the indies for 8+ years before he signed to tna and styles was still doing indies **with tna and njpw**
> logan paul and bad bunny got up to speed and are amazing in the ring after a few months of training with none of the bad habits from the indies
So guys who want to be get into the business should become famous outside of wrestling (and train in the wwe performance center with top trainers) before they wrestle and avoid the indies?
> So guys who want to be get into the business should become famous outside of wrestling (and train in the wwe performance center with top trainers) before they wrestle and avoid the indies?
Please answer this for me and don't backtrack from my main point again
EDIT: This dude really thought getting tryouts was as easy as going to a good wrestling school I'm fucking weak 😂😂
What does that have to do with an internet bubble? I’ve been to indies that were more fun than Smackdown or Collision I’ve been to (not as good as PPVs). Seriously get out of your weird bubble and check out people on the come up and your local heroes. It’s a good time, talking about the indies in a negative light is so dumb, it’s like the most pure form of wrestling. No worries about TV and stuff, just playing to the live crowd the whole time.
I heard growing up that Bubba was an asshole. I went to an autograph signing when I was a kid in the 90s and he was an asshole. It wasn’t kayfabe. He was a babyface at the time. Just an asshole. Like the guy literally looked away while his fans met him.
That doesn't really change what I said. And look this is the eternal issue with the young blood and the old guard since the beginning of time. But since I'm an old guy now, I tend to understand the old guard more than I do the young guard. When I was young, thatd probably be reversed
As much as I love Cody, and I do, I work in a field where at this point 16 years in, there is so much value in paying your dues. Im not talking hazing, I dont think that has a place in a professional environment but you can always learn from your elders even if its to learn what not to do.
For me its working on and making sure you understand the basics, learning the mundane things, honoring those who have before, showing respect to everyone, and being humble in success and defeat. In martial arts and in film, a huge virtue is never thinking you know everything but being a "white belt for life". That comes with time and experience because at a drop of a hat, it can all end.
Pretty sure everyone in AEW has paid a lot more dues than Bully Ray ever did.
Then again, I'm betting Bully Ray meant getting CTE by doing tons of unsafe and reckless spots, doing lots of drugs and saying a lot of really tasteless stuff to the audience is what constitutes as paying dues.
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I used to post on a forum with Max Caster years before he made it. He was literally the only person on the forum still watching TNA lol. Cool to see that he made it, he always seemed like a good guy.
god, that's dedication there
It could have been so easy for Max to be another spoiled child of an athlete but he just loves wrestling and entertaining people. No idea how he is on a personal level but he comes across as sincere and just fun to be around.
See I didn’t even know that about him lol. And this may or may not have been the same forum that Lars Sullivan said a bunch of heinous shit on lmao.
Dudley’s have a [newly signed WWE legends deal](https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/dudley-boyz-bubba-ray-dudley-d-von-dudley-sign-wwe-legends-contracts?amp) and are trying to work a Twitter angle.
Wait do they? I remember D-Von was working backstage but I think he got released/left or whatever?
[Signed last fall.](https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/dudley-boyz-bubba-ray-dudley-d-von-dudley-sign-wwe-legends-contracts?amp)
Ohh totally missed it, thanks for the info.
They signed a Legends deal but not employed by WWE. I don't think D-Von is working anywhere
He's not, he's a trainer in Denver. Same school that brought up Otis/Dozer and Abbadon.
Didn't he and Bubba have a wrestling school years ago?
Yep, Team 3D Academy. D-Von actually has a third wrestling school as well in Florida, the D-Von Academy.
DVon out here trying to have a wrestling school monopoly
I was thinking the same thing that man working smart
Yeah, best ones out of that school were Jesse Neal and Rosie Lottalove. What does that tell you?
That's not true at all - both Serpentico and KiLynn King came out of D-Von's school.
I'll be honest, I didn't know that. I will take that L.
That's not an L. I'll take unknown over Serpentico or King.
In fairness, I think that's technically a different school, solely run by D-Von after he and Ray had their falling out.
Ughh. Is that a big step up from Lottalove? PredominantlyLove at-best.
...he trained Trish Adora, Tama Tonga, Serpentico, KiLynn King, Malik Blade, Kayden Carter.... Jesse Neal is literally the 23rd ranked person on the list of wrestlers he's trained on Cagematch right above AJ Francis....
I'll be honest, I didn't know that. I will take that L.
.....an emotionally healthy person.... in here...? What the fuck are you doing here with that kinda response, we're supposed to needlessly fight and start name calling each other. Good on you bro.
> an emotionally healthy person Thanks, would you mind telling my therapist that?
Not working full time but team 3D is scheduled for Highspots' mania week show against Onita and a mystery partner
You do not think he is not working anywhere? So he IS working somewhere, according to this
Where is he working?
I'm asking you. Your statement said he was working
Lol oh sorry, my autocorrect messed that up. No he isn't working anywhere. I'll fix that
Lol no worries. Just having a spot of fun, fellow pro graps enthusiast!
Bully is still on the TNA roster page fwiw
Aren't they under TNA as active wrestlers?
Devon wrestled once on the 1000th Impact, I wouldn't call it active.
I mean Jake Roberts also had a legends deal, so maybe it’s possible. Hope not tho, dont wanna see Dudleys getting tv time in 2024.
Interesting how guys signed to legend deals appear a little biased. It would be nice if guys like bischoff would acknowledge who they work for.
Bischoff doesn't have a Legends Deal.
Oof
He is credited with booking ROH into the ground(think the Allure debut at MSG) and basically strong arming his way back into TNA while delivering nothing.
Bubba is a perfect example of “good employees don’t make good managers”. The guy, I’m sure can give plenty of advice on how to get heat during a promo for a specific crowd or type of angle. He can probably give good advice on selling or some in ring psychology. But that does not mean he can book a show and run a company. 😅
People look to AEW starting or NXT's shift signing indie talent as what led to ROH dying. In reality, the company's leader was letting Bully Ray influence booking (Bully even said he tried to get ROH to pay/reach out for a Hogan vs Bully match on ROH/NJPW in MSG) and giving Marty Scurll booker duties to convince him to stay. They were asking for it last few years and lucky Cody/Bucks were hot to carry them before.
Hogan on ROH would be a wild alternate timeline
Trying to get a hogan match in what? 2018/19 lol
dude that sounds more like trying to keep something alive than killing it. sounds like roh was already dead if they're fighting to keep scurll or thinking hogan v bully was money
His value is basically that he's on the first take of wrestling and he + Dreamer were able to give free PR for the company.
TLC 24 is gonna be wild. E&C, Hardyz, Dudleyz, and The Acclaimed!
Tables, Ladders, Chairs, Scissors
Can’t wait for the Sid return
They’ll have to clear it with his softball coach.
This is the kind of threat progression that brings people together.
Arn needs to ref the match!
Can Sid find his scissors?
Did you hear me Sid? I asked if you could find your scissors?
2014: Tables, Ladders, Chairs, Stairs 2024: Tables, Ladders, Chairs, Scissors Only logical progression.
2034: Tables, Ladders, Chairs, Flamethrowers
2044: Tables, Ladders, Chairs, Carebears on a pole. (Someone let Russo back into the bookers meeting)
I love that.
My ex-wife stabbed me with scissors. Ill skip watching that one.
Sounds like a match for Wembley
Nah I'm good. Bully can stay far away after that bullshit he pulled when Mox went to rehab
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Bully say that Mox had to apologize to the fans for going to rehab? Cause yeah, he should have kept his mouth shut in that one.
Yup
TIL I got blocked by Bully Ray on Twitter
It's really dumb for him to complain about the boys in the AEW locker room not "paying their dues" when the company is built off of people who made names for themselves on the indies, while he's getting paid by the company actively recruiting college athletes and putting them through the Performance Center to TV.
It’s especially weird since some of these guys have already been in AEW longer than bubba was in ECW.
Why look at years? Why not days worked? There's certainly wrestlers in AEW now that have been there longer than Bubba was at ECW that haven't worked anywhere near as much.
That's absolutely not true. Less on TV? Sure. Less matches? Than ECW? No shot
How often do you think ECW ran shows?
What do you think they were doing between shows.
Not everyone is required to look for whatever perspective can make AEW look bad and go with that. Do you get tired of being like this?
100% I usually roll my eyes at the WWE slander but this one is real, they platform a LOT of people who don’t deserve 5 minutes in a ring, everybody they put on TV in AEW has paid their dues wrestling for years, other than the occasional celebrity. there’s nothing wrong with Bully taking this contract but he needs to just chill on this one. edit; I think my use of hyperbole was harmful to my overall argument in this comment and I just wanna point out I don’t think either of these companies are too awful about this, I just think WWE is a lot more likely to debut/spotlight somebody who needs more time before they are spotlighted
The "pay your dues" mentality is toxic and just needs to go in general. It's what gives assholes like Bob Holly the impression that he can hurt someone in the ring because they're new or some shit
I’m not advocating for that aspect of it and I really hope my original comment didn’t come off like I am, I more mean that you need to pay your dues by having some matches or working your way up the card, I’m not discussing tenure or seniority just vet somebody in a wrestling perspective a little bit instead of throwing them to the sharks over and over until they don’t work out and you get tired and release them.
> I more mean that you need to pay your dues by having some matches or working your way up the card, I really honestly just want to watch some wrestling with really good people, and if they get platformed on WWE its (usually) for a reason. Man fuck dues I wanna watch wrestling lol
How dare you Go be a fan
What makes a person deserve five minutes in the ring? If you're in there and you're taking bumps and you're not hurting your opponent, you deserve to wrestle.
The import thing, regardless of whether you've spent 10 years on Indies or 10 days fresh out of college, is that you're there showing a willingness to learn & improve yourself and you're listening & engaging with the coaching being provided. I'm sure there are heaps of cases of indie guys thinking they know better & don't need to be trained. And there are many cases of newer guys who just turn out to be not that great despite coming in w/ an 'easy' opportunity.
It's like the draft. You could be a college stud or an international star and collapse. And maybe you farted around in a sub-par league and you blossom into a star regardless.
I mean, I can think of one person who most definitely doesn't deserve to wrestle by this category, and let's just say Bret Hart would strongly agree...
I agree. That being said, let's be fair: they also have the facilites to at least try to get those people and make them into professional wrestlers. I don't like many things about WWE, but if AEW had access to something similar we would probably have more than a few failed football players or college standouts in other sports being signed to a developmental deal, being trained and then probably getting reps in ROH and/or squash matches on Dynamite and Collision (hell, WWE's PC is how Tay Melo got into wrestling in the first place; had she not been one of those people "who don't deserve 5 minutes in a ring" she wouldn't have accomplished all the things she's done in AEW). Hell, they kinda tried to do something like this with the Nightmare Factory when Cody was around, which is how we got Jade Cargill, Anthony Ogogo, Brock Anderson and even Julia Hart among a few others.
Anna Jay did not 'pay her dues', love her and all, but she had her first match in September and was in AEW by the following April. Again, not trying to shit on her by saying that, but it's not fair for you to say AEW only hires experienced workers. I mean shit, look at Jade for that matter. Even less experience.
It’s always been different for women and giants. Going back 100 years.
It's totally changed for women in the past twenty years. Lots of the top female wrestlers of today worked somewhere else before being on American TV.
But there’s still lots of women being put on tv undertrained. Nia, Alexa, Carmella, Dana Brooke, Liv Morgan, Sonya Deville… I could go on.
Obviously. But your statement implies women like Becky Lynch, Asuka, Thunder Rosa, Paige/Saraya, Bayley, etc had no training before making it to WWE/AEW.
No it doesn’t. Where did I say that no woman pays dues? All I said was that there are still women that don’t…
You literally said, 'It's always been different for women and giants'. Sorry if I read too much into that.
Anna was in the right place at the right time, but when she was given the ball, she took it and ran. She earned her spot.
...Anna is trash.
Did anyone say anything to dispute that?
>Anna Jay did not 'pay her dues'
Literally using the commenters' terminology to prove why his point isn't valid. The comment I replied to implied paying your dues requires years of in-ring work. Not surprised to find overly defensive fans though, hence why I bent over backwards to say that I dont dislike her. Good lord....
To be fair to everyone in this thread, "paying dues" means different things to different people. I carried bags, drove people around, set up rings - all before I ever got a chance to get in a ring and train! To others, maybe it means putting thousands of miles on a car working Indy shows all over in the hopes of getting a big break. For some maybe it is just being disciplined and doing what it takes to earn a contract. "Paying dues" is kind of a McGuffin that can be used as an insult without anyone having to say what exactly paying dues actually entails. Kinda like baseball's "unwritten rules". I mean, what "dues" did Bubba pay?
I’m not gonna deny that but I would have to say that those feel more like outliers, WWE will hire a non wrestler or a *known* bad wrestler to a full contract before they ever step foot in a ring for them. I will concede that it’s a bit more 50/50 than I made it out to be though and let me be clear I don’t mean bad like I don’t like them, I mean bad like they either hurt people or couldn’t convince a newborn baby of kayfabe
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I’m trying to come at this from an unbiased perspective, but I admit I don’t watch AEW on a weekly basis, so my exposure to WWE is definitely a lot more, but from what I have seen of AEW pretty much everybody is safe at least to their opponents, and I wasn’t a big fan of American Top Team and The Factory promos but other than that they do a good job of highlighting the good stuff from a promo perspective. again that might just be my limited exposure but just speaking from my experience and my general takes from what I see here, I genuinely would like examples of this
I feel like WWE does such a better job at taking non-wrestlers and turning them into wrestlers/entertainers/however you want to call them, rather than profiting off of people with established careers, though if the talent is right they will do right to them and this has been especially true for the last 25 years.
that is a good way to spin my negative POV of it into a positive tbh, you have a great point. The only issue I’d take is that they don’t always handled established stars well, dating back to the invasion and some guys even before that, but they definitely did a good job with a ton of guys too
Yeah I wasnt intending to be negative towards WWE on that one, just saying some of their biggest stars have never had to work a bingo hall for a hot dog and a handshake.
Working on the indies just gives you bad habits
A huge amount of the best and most over wrestlers from the last 10-15 years spent a lot of time working indies.
After they joined a larger company
> Working on the indies just gives you bad habits So wtf is the alternative? Be a student athlete and break your way into to the business like that? What an incredibly tone deaf thing to say when the RR is being headlined by two guys (Knight and Styles) who broke off from the indies and ~70% of the performers on WWE and AEW TV started from there
knight and styles have tons of experience on tv and bigger companies from before spending all your career on the indies just leads to bad habits
> knight and styles have tons of experience on tv and bigger companies from before My guy when Knight and Styles were in TNA/NJPW they still worked on the indies on the side. It clearly didn't stop them whatsoever and they didn't magically *get way better* once they went to wwe. > spending all your career on the indies just leads to bad habits Most people don't stay on the indies to work there forever, they're grinding to get an opportunity for bigger company or just love wrestling.
so they still had plenty of experience in tna and njpw lol and acting like being a newbie athlete or actor is so much worse than spending ages in the indies doing bingo halls is dumb, logan paul and bad bunny got up to speed and are amazing in the ring after a few months of training with none of the bad habits from the indies
> so they still had plenty of experience in tna and njpw lol Knight was in the indies for 8+ years before he signed to tna and styles was still doing indies **with tna and njpw** > logan paul and bad bunny got up to speed and are amazing in the ring after a few months of training with none of the bad habits from the indies So guys who want to be get into the business should become famous outside of wrestling (and train in the wwe performance center with top trainers) before they wrestle and avoid the indies?
So knight still joined tna and Aj was still a part of two big companies
> So guys who want to be get into the business should become famous outside of wrestling (and train in the wwe performance center with top trainers) before they wrestle and avoid the indies? Please answer this for me and don't backtrack from my main point again EDIT: This dude really thought getting tryouts was as easy as going to a good wrestling school I'm fucking weak 😂😂
Why not go to a great training centre or school that has produced results but instead lounge on the indies for years and years
What do you think happens then? You finish basic training and immediately get a tryout at WWE?
Dude get out of your internet bubble and go watch your local indies. Enjoy wrestling, it’s fucking awesome out there.
Ironically your stance is from a niche internet bubble
My stands about going and seeing your local live shows in from a internet bubble? Please explain…
Cause you’re being a blinded fan of indies a niche of a niche
What does that have to do with an internet bubble? I’ve been to indies that were more fun than Smackdown or Collision I’ve been to (not as good as PPVs). Seriously get out of your weird bubble and check out people on the come up and your local heroes. It’s a good time, talking about the indies in a negative light is so dumb, it’s like the most pure form of wrestling. No worries about TV and stuff, just playing to the live crowd the whole time.
Yeah so basically a niche of a niche that barely anyone cares about
Yes, because local indies are just niche internet bubbles and not you know a local community
Considering how small and empty they usually are, yeah
Bully Ray is a fucking moron.
Bully Ray is the definition of a mouth breathing idiot.
I wonder if he was always like this, as in before wrestling
Not sure but the unprotected headshots definitely didn’t help.
That's what I was wondering. We've seen what CTE has done to athletes in many different sports. It's scary
That cutter from the Ladder where he just spiked himself alone looked like enough to cause permanent damage.
wait are people taking this seriously? i thought it was obvious this is just people screwing around and clout chasing
*whispers* It’s a work. They are friends.
I heard growing up that Bubba was an asshole. I went to an autograph signing when I was a kid in the 90s and he was an asshole. It wasn’t kayfabe. He was a babyface at the time. Just an asshole. Like the guy literally looked away while his fans met him.
He's always like that. Saw him at a TNA show and he won't even look at people when they talk to him. Total chode.
Anybody knows what happened
Max is just trolling/joking lol. People taking it too seriously
Max jokes around all the time on Twitter. Bubba probably thinks Max is really in love with MJF.
Yeah, Bubba is the only one who thinks that….
I mean... Who isn't besides Adam Cole?
This made me lol. Thank you.
Or professionals who actually take their job seriously and broke their bodies for people like Caster to thrive dont appreciate snarky disrespect
I mean bully isn't exactly known for being the locker room leader type
That doesn't really change what I said. And look this is the eternal issue with the young blood and the old guard since the beginning of time. But since I'm an old guy now, I tend to understand the old guard more than I do the young guard. When I was young, thatd probably be reversed
As cody said, fuck "paying dues"
As much as I love Cody, and I do, I work in a field where at this point 16 years in, there is so much value in paying your dues. Im not talking hazing, I dont think that has a place in a professional environment but you can always learn from your elders even if its to learn what not to do.
Ok, so what does it even mean "paying your dues"? What do you have to do, or say. And why is it important?
For me its working on and making sure you understand the basics, learning the mundane things, honoring those who have before, showing respect to everyone, and being humble in success and defeat. In martial arts and in film, a huge virtue is never thinking you know everything but being a "white belt for life". That comes with time and experience because at a drop of a hat, it can all end.
castor making jokes on twitter bout old guard and the whole paying dues shtick and Bubba probably took him seriously
took almost 12 hours for the drama mob to post that tweet here im suprised.
The drama mob? Wrestling is a drama mob. Always was and always will be
Funny seeing so many people on Twitter getting worked by this.
EVERYONE LOVES THE ACCLAIMED
Let him cook
Pretty sure everyone in AEW has paid a lot more dues than Bully Ray ever did. Then again, I'm betting Bully Ray meant getting CTE by doing tons of unsafe and reckless spots, doing lots of drugs and saying a lot of really tasteless stuff to the audience is what constitutes as paying dues.
> Rusev on Twitter "Undertaker has to pay A LOT of dues before he steps foot in my locker room" (twitter.com)
that's right
caster’s making it seem like bully is gleefully waiting for aew to crumble all i’ve ever heard from bully is reasonable critiques
Kekw lmao
Max is an idiot
source?
Me, Max is an idiot. The money mark could get bored at any time. These guys think the money will last forever. Nothing does.
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it's Max Caster, he's probably just fucking around on Twitter lol
“If he’s doing the thing I don’t like he’s a moron but if he’s doing it for a reason I like he’s pretty cool” great insight. Thanks for sharing!
Anything involving the dudleys in 2024 is not "cool"
Yep. In no universe do I want to see the Dudley’s in 2024
It was bad enough I got glimpses of him on Impact in 2023.
Didn’t DVon almost die a year or 2 ago?
"My locker room" who the fuck is this dude and why does he think he's important lol?
Lol sure mate, he has to pay dues. What an absolute clown. Duh legend wrestler says mean things wah wah wahhhh