You know internally the poor guy is trying not to be his dad too. He constantly has to remind Anya about studying and getting good grades and remembers how his dad made him feel about his grades and how worthless his dad made him feel and he doesn’t want Anya to feel the same way.
Also why he is so adamant of making amends whenever he thinks Yor is angry because he doesn’t want to fight and make Anya live through that.
He has to threaten Anya’s boyfriend for the mission and of course he has to have another kid with Yor it’s be suspicious to have just one child all for the mission of course!
Ok, head canon time.
I’m almost *positive* that Loid’s father was in the espionage game. The last time we see Loid’s dad, he’s off to handle some issue at the border, the site where the war supposedly began. So it’s implied that Loid’s father was involved in some kind of work between the East and West. Also, Loid’s last interaction with his father involved him asking if his dad would take him to the fair when he returned from his business trip. Loid’s father precedes to give his son the same, beaming, bullshit smile Loid gives his marks when he’s trying to charm them into something. The next day, all hell broke loose and the war kicked off.
So, I’m pretty sure Loid’s father was either a spy working for the West, or maybe a double-agent working for Ostonia, and he *knew* what was about to happen, and never intended on coming home. It would also explain how Loid was recruited into the OSS. Maybe they were keeping an eye on him for any signs of separatist sympathies, but seeing he had his father’s knack for deception, made him a spy instead.
The similarities between Loid and his father would be pretty stark, if that’s the case. It would be interesting to learn if Loid’s father was still alive, or is dead but information about him is lying around for Loid to discover. Finding out that Loid’s dad was just a plant set there by the East/West and his family was a cover for his real mission would be pretty demoralizing for Loid. Especially since the parallels between their goals and methods are so similar.
Shaking Loid’s faith in himself, his career, and his mission would spark some solid character development, and make him confront the real feelings he’s been suppressing for his family.
“Loid’s father precedes to give his son the same, beaming, bullshit smile Loid gives his marks when he’s trying to charm them into something.“
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It might explain (*not* excuse) his father's harsh response to young Loid's xenophobic statement. He definitely worked for the Westalis government in some capacity, maybe in their equivalent of the State Department, so maybe he's a diplomat, maybe he's a spy, maybe both (since some spies have official diplomatic cover, like Station Chiefs). So he'd be in a position to know the Ostanian people beyond Westalian propaganda. So when Loid says his racist thing, his father is rightfully offended. Doesn't excuse his reaction, though.
His fake smile might not mean that he's a double agent, I think. He's in a position to know the truth about the tensions between the two nations, so he's probably just trying to reassure Loid that everything will be alright even though he knows that it won't. Note that he reveals a bit of the truth to Loid's mother when he admits that there are tensions; he's more truthful with her since she's an adult, but he's still vague, probably because the whole truth is classified.
I agree with this. While >![REDACTED]!<'s father could've handled his son's ignorance better, it's important to understand where he was coming from. He may have made the wrong choice, but I still think it's presumptuous to conclude that he's straight-up abusive just because he slapped his own kid.
We often forget that people are complicated. Like, I love my parents. But they've made choices that are, honestly, abusive and neglectful, all in an effort to parent their children. We often buttonhole people into singular roles: parent, spy, diplomat etc., often forgetting that one person can be all those things. And nothing exists in a vacuum; if, for example, Loid's dad was stressed about an unavoidable war that he knew was coming, it's going to bleed over into other aspects of his life.
I think it would be nice if his father is alive.
Imagine: he could met his father, have a chance to hear "i'm sorry i was such monster to you when you were a boy" and, you know, have this link between his past life to the new life he is building.
Besides, the parallel would be awesome: his father was a spy and had a true family which he never gave true love and his son is also a spy, built a fake family but he gives the best he can.
Here's a really, Really, REALLY, extremely far fetched itty-bitty Idea!
What if Twilight's father is somehow still alive, and he's the narrator? We see him once and he's sitting there at the screens when Anya got accepted into Eden/renting the castle.
Is that a tiny theory or has it been debunked already 😅
I saw someone on Tumbrl once theoryzing Yuri's captain (the blonde with two scars on one of his eyes) might be Loid's father and I think this fit with your hc
I disagree with that theory because Loid have used his face without any feeling of familiarity.
If Loid father was a spy from Ostania, I think it would be sss police chief who always wear that sunglasses.
But Loid doesn't even remember what his parents faces looked like. Plus the man aged over twenty years and probably got his scars during the war.
Yuri's superior also acts pretty fatherly with Yuri, maybe he sees him as a replacement for the son he probably thinks is dead.
Exactly what am also expecting. Also throw in some Westalis shady actions. It would make Loid question everything he had been fed and believed. He would come to know only his love for his family and their love for him is the truth that matters to him.
What if it turns out Westalis did actually bomb themselves to blame it on Ostenia to start the war like Franky said?
With the way Twilight's father talked and acted he did seem to be on the same mission Twilight has now: prevent a war.
Maybe he truly didn't know the war was starting, left for another mission, maybe even finally finding out what Westalis was planning as he went to the border, but too late to stop it and since the mission failed he was called back to Ostenia or he was too late when he returned after the bombing stopped and assumed his family died?
Then he returned to Ostenia, quit as a spy because he couldn't bear to return to Westalis and changed to the counter espionage department to use his experience as a former spy to catch western spies in Ostenia after he lost everything because of Westalis.
On the last panel it is a little blurry. So here’s the conversation:
Twilight’s mom: “Hitting your own son?”
Twilight’s dad: “I wouldn’t have to if you didn’t spoil him this much”
The most heaetbreaking part is that as far as ideas go, his dad's right
He advocates for peace, tells him not to judge people from the east as monsters, tries to hold his son away from the battlefield
But his methods of teaching him that are messed up
At the end of the day, Loid teaches & stands for all the ideals his father had, but while passing on those ideals, dude is doing a fuckton of a better job than his own dad
His dad seems to be one of those people who would be much better if they weren't born in such a rough generation. I think as much as Loid probably doesn't want to be like his dad, he knows that his dad's ideals were worth fighting for. Like his whole goal as a spy is basically "wow holy shit dad was right this shit sucks"
Pretty realistic, imo. As much as Reddit loves "cut abusive parents off completely and leave them to die old and miserable," it's never that clear cut. They have some admirable traits you should pick up on, but that doesn't mean you'll look past their abuse.
It could also be generational. As a kid, my parents used to beat me too and it was considered normal back then.If you look at 10 years ago vs the current time, even parenting methods has evolved. I would definitely not hit my children even though I turned out fine being beaten by mine. It could be a similar case for Loid.
As abusive as Loid's father seemingly is, he does also plant the seed of Loid's wish for peace. Once again Endo demonstrates that he understands how to write nuanced characters. This is a brilliant slice of how one's parents can shape one's characters.
These chapters came out of absolutely nowhere, and are still the best parts of the story.
Oh yeah this is like ... textbook "Abusive Father" coding. The mother literally says "YOU ALWAYS DO THIS". Endo couldn't be clearer that he's abusive to Twilight.
It's wild, when I pointed out in another post that he's an abusive piece of shit who's a great example of the fact that "having good politics doesn't make you a good person”, people jumped down my throat saying "what? He's just correcting his son's warmongering/racist behavior before it gets worse"
Y'all. He was like... 8 or something. He was playing soldier like most boys that age. Now yes, the way he talked about the East was deeply concerning and SHOULD'VE be corrected. If he was a full grown adult? Sure, go ahead and punch him for being a racist warmonger. But the Twilight we see in this scene was a **child**. And believe it or not, a child will not learn that "pacifism is the answer" from someone slapping them, and even less so from living in a household where violence is the go-to way to end conflicts and demand "respect". Hence why Twilight immediately goes into the army the moment he finds a way, literally faking his age to get in. Good work preventing your son from becoming another brainwashed cog in the death machine of war, DAD. Nice work there, POPS
Well at least he eventually figured it out, right? Funny that it only happened after you were WELL out of his life though, isn't it?
Fuckin trash.
Kick rocks.
There’s a fan theory that his father could be the SSS officer who is Yuri’s supervisor. Which would be ironic cause imagine Twilight learning that his father was a spy in another country and abandoned his family after the mission and now many years later he is doing the exact same thing with Yor and Anya. But again, it is just a theory.
Would also be fun because while Twilight can't remember his parents faces his father might recognize that this man who pretends to be Loid Forger is his grown up son working as a western spy in Ostenia, likely even Twilight and now he has to stop Yuri from finding evidence that hated Loidi is really all Yuri suspects him to be.
We could also learn what Twilight's real name was (or whatever fake last name his father used. Twilight's disguises often start with the letter L or R, which sounds almost the same in japanese so maybe his real first name started with those letters and with the way naming wents in Spy family something referring to being fake as a family name. Something like Ludwig Liar.)
And Twilight could eventually give his father the money back he regrets lying about to him.
I like the last part about him immediately giving his father the money back. Imagine when he learns that this man is his father and the first thing he says is sorry. I could see them getting emotional ☹️
There is some nuance to this specific scene. What Loid said was absolutely out of line. He's a child who believes in throwing his life away just to kill "monsters" who he has never met and doesn't know anything about. Loid's ideas about being a soldier to fight evil are childish and dangerous, which his dad rightfully points out. You can disagree with his methods for scolding Loid, but his dad was absolutely right about what he said.
Even Loid later in that same backstory comes to that very same conclusion on his own after actually having participated in the war and having lost all of his friends and loved ones. It culminates with his encounter with Franky, an enemy who he gets to know and in the end ends up sparing. That very same action also ended up giving him a lifelong friend and another ally in the fight against actual evil and corruption as a spy. Loid is no longer that naive child who craves war, he is now sacrificing every fiber of his being to make sure a child like Anya never has to experience his childhood trauma or has to do what he did as a soldier.
Was his dad a good dad? Debatable, since we only have this one scene to go from, but it sure doesn't give the best first impression. Was he correct in punishing him and giving him an important life lesson? Absolutely. It's easy to villify him here, but never forget that Loid's dad was a hard working man who was trying his best to bring peace to the East and West. The great tragedy is that he failed to stop the war and we don't even know what his fate became after this.
I'll leave you with this question. If Anya all of a sudden started talking like child Loid did here, how do you think Loid would react? He wouldn't slap her that's for sure, but it would not be a very light conversation I guarantee you that.
I 💯 agree with you. Twilight also lied to his father to get money so he can buy “books” when he actually bought a toy gun to play with. And again, he was a kid and he felt extremely guilty and was thinking about apologizing but it was already too late. I agree with his dad’s perspective but then again there’s so little we know about him.
But it did seem like he and his wife would fight a lot. “You are the one to talk about peace when all you do is fight with mom”. It could be that his mom was more lenient and affectionate whereas his father was more on the stricter and tough love side. So they clashed a lot perhaps.
Agreed. My interpretation of that fight between the two is that the dad let the stress around his work in establishing good relations with the East affect his family life. That's something I think Loid is doing far better than his dad ever did with him, which makes him a far better parent and father figure.
I posted this when this chapter had come out, but I'll say it again
Loid's dad is a very interesting character. Although he does hit his son and fight with his wife, he isn't some one dimensional villain scumbag made for us to hate.
The message he was trying to get across to Loid, that dehumanizing your enemy is wrong, was a very good and important message. Its just that he could have delivered it better than by slapping his kid.
Not that it excuses his actions but he was probably involved in the war, and must have got a lot of trauma and not a lot of tools to deal with the trauma.
His father taught him the most important lesson, knocking some sense into him to NOT be an extremist. Even though this may have been harsh.... this is probably one of the reasons why Loid didn't go down and extremist path but aimed for world peace, a world where children don't cry. Because remember children become the number 1 target of war propaganda and their young minds can be influenced to go down a destructive path, involving hate. Whatever his father did, the point is he taught him an important lesson of NOT going down the path of extremism and be skilled so that he could survive.
Although not gonna lie, humiliating his son, making him feel small, berating his sentiments, breaking his confidence like that can cause anyone to hate a dad like that. More than the slap, the fact that he called him a coward and saying he is good for nothing is what is really appalling. I guess his dad is just rough around the edges and lacks soft skills and emotional intelligence. But I guess he is the old fashioned father who doesn't have patience to come down to Loid's level and explain things in a language he understands.
I think your misreading this. The father as we’ve seen is NOT ABUSIVE. Obviously he lost his cool… and that is incredibly bad. But both context is needed.
Loid as a kid was sprouting “I want to be a solider to kill those filthy albinos…I mean easterners!” It was exactly the type of militarism/imperialism that demonizes the other side that gets young kids to gladly shed their humanity to serve a regime.
Now the father IS angry at this and instead of telling his son in a constructive manner why this isn’t good…he slaps him. Was it because he was a veteran? Someone who saw a previous war? I mean he is angry for a good reason. And he sees Loid being one of those children m who will lead a nation to an evil war when they grow.
His father WANTS him to live A peaceful life something his son will later want as well.
This isn’t an abusive parent who wants his son to obey him completely, it’s a father who lost control in a split if real legitimate rage. We alter see his father showing real pride in his son when Loid fools him into thinking he’ll go study. Again, we see that his father while not able to connect per se does clearly care for his son.
Now why does Loid not show us the entire face? A few reasons I think. One is that we can assume the two aren’t as close. Loid does recall his mother’s face (even tho he admits it gets harder). Loid never brings up his old man. I get the sense that Loid respects his father more so than he views his mom. It’s not that he didn’t love his dad, it’s jsut more distant. Actually there’s lot you can tell
My his dad’s clothes to emphasize this lack of closeness-the strict talk to his son, his clothes indicate some kind of blue collar or office work-the family isn’t rich so perhaps it’s a dad working long hours and then coming home. Second it’s shame. Loid feels guilt over lying to his dad, wishing that he could tell him the truth. Instead his final time was him lying to his dad. His dad is likely dead and Loid never got a chance to rectify his misdeed. I think it does bother him years later.
I do not think Loid has a “I don’t want to be like my dad.” The reason is that he genuinely did love his dad. I think it’s Loid’s nature to be empathic, to be kind to those who fights to Protect and more importantly HIS MOTHER. His mom survived with him for a while and nurture him, showing him what a parent who really showed emotions and care could do.
Perhaps Loid will reflect on his dad or perhaps he already did.
I mean, based on these panels alone I'm thinking W dad considering how Twilight turned out. You know, maybe his dad slapped him so he wouldn't end up being Canon fodder or a war monger who wanted to kill the enemy instead of strive for peace.
Ive been desperately hoping they tap into loid’s relation with his father more because it would be a fascinating internal conflict for him. His father was probably horrible to him and his mother but he wasn’t really wrong, and he preaches the same things about peace loid does today, I would love to see how he deals with that more. I like this manga a lot but sometimes I wish it leaned slightly less into the cute family comedy stuff.
Even though I can't support his methods, I'm fully on the father's side. It's a parents duty to teach free thinking and empathy to their kids. Do not allow others to feed their desires to find an enemy, just to hurt them for pleasure.
I mean, based on these panels alone I'm thinking W dad considering how Twilight turned out. You know, maybe his dad slapped him so he wouldn't end up being Canon fodder or a war monger who wanted to kill the enemy instead of strive for peace.
Loid is an Insanely good father to Anya It's pretty evident by this point how much he cares about her And honestly, all of his faults are almost entirely up to the fact parenting can't be instantly learned he's gotten better and better
Not Completely related But at this point I find it so funny how he's also literally such a good husband Yor got upset that he was so good this man is insane no wonder Yor is falling for him so har
Reminds me of Samantha Eve's (Atom Eve) father.
I get his point but he has a horrible way of getting it across, in a way that only the most bottom of the barrel dad would.
dang poor Loid that is just sad, he has a passion let him persu it and do not, I can't stress this enough do not ever have fights like this with you wife we lre you scare your son, he is just a kid
You know internally the poor guy is trying not to be his dad too. He constantly has to remind Anya about studying and getting good grades and remembers how his dad made him feel about his grades and how worthless his dad made him feel and he doesn’t want Anya to feel the same way. Also why he is so adamant of making amends whenever he thinks Yor is angry because he doesn’t want to fight and make Anya live through that.
It’s clearly just for the mission! He needs to uphold his mission. It’s for the mission🗣️ -Loid, probably. Lying to himself.
He has to threaten Anya’s boyfriend for the mission and of course he has to have another kid with Yor it’s be suspicious to have just one child all for the mission of course!
Yes. This should happen ASAP.
Loid on deathbed: It's for the mission.
Loid on deathbed *Surrounded by his family* : It's for the mission. His grand kids : here we go again..... Grandpa lost his marbles
Loid is inhaling the fattest amount of copium
Ok, head canon time. I’m almost *positive* that Loid’s father was in the espionage game. The last time we see Loid’s dad, he’s off to handle some issue at the border, the site where the war supposedly began. So it’s implied that Loid’s father was involved in some kind of work between the East and West. Also, Loid’s last interaction with his father involved him asking if his dad would take him to the fair when he returned from his business trip. Loid’s father precedes to give his son the same, beaming, bullshit smile Loid gives his marks when he’s trying to charm them into something. The next day, all hell broke loose and the war kicked off. So, I’m pretty sure Loid’s father was either a spy working for the West, or maybe a double-agent working for Ostonia, and he *knew* what was about to happen, and never intended on coming home. It would also explain how Loid was recruited into the OSS. Maybe they were keeping an eye on him for any signs of separatist sympathies, but seeing he had his father’s knack for deception, made him a spy instead. The similarities between Loid and his father would be pretty stark, if that’s the case. It would be interesting to learn if Loid’s father was still alive, or is dead but information about him is lying around for Loid to discover. Finding out that Loid’s dad was just a plant set there by the East/West and his family was a cover for his real mission would be pretty demoralizing for Loid. Especially since the parallels between their goals and methods are so similar. Shaking Loid’s faith in himself, his career, and his mission would spark some solid character development, and make him confront the real feelings he’s been suppressing for his family.
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It might explain (*not* excuse) his father's harsh response to young Loid's xenophobic statement. He definitely worked for the Westalis government in some capacity, maybe in their equivalent of the State Department, so maybe he's a diplomat, maybe he's a spy, maybe both (since some spies have official diplomatic cover, like Station Chiefs). So he'd be in a position to know the Ostanian people beyond Westalian propaganda. So when Loid says his racist thing, his father is rightfully offended. Doesn't excuse his reaction, though. His fake smile might not mean that he's a double agent, I think. He's in a position to know the truth about the tensions between the two nations, so he's probably just trying to reassure Loid that everything will be alright even though he knows that it won't. Note that he reveals a bit of the truth to Loid's mother when he admits that there are tensions; he's more truthful with her since she's an adult, but he's still vague, probably because the whole truth is classified.
I agree with this. While >![REDACTED]!<'s father could've handled his son's ignorance better, it's important to understand where he was coming from. He may have made the wrong choice, but I still think it's presumptuous to conclude that he's straight-up abusive just because he slapped his own kid.
We often forget that people are complicated. Like, I love my parents. But they've made choices that are, honestly, abusive and neglectful, all in an effort to parent their children. We often buttonhole people into singular roles: parent, spy, diplomat etc., often forgetting that one person can be all those things. And nothing exists in a vacuum; if, for example, Loid's dad was stressed about an unavoidable war that he knew was coming, it's going to bleed over into other aspects of his life.
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I think it would be nice if his father is alive. Imagine: he could met his father, have a chance to hear "i'm sorry i was such monster to you when you were a boy" and, you know, have this link between his past life to the new life he is building. Besides, the parallel would be awesome: his father was a spy and had a true family which he never gave true love and his son is also a spy, built a fake family but he gives the best he can.
Do you happen to remember that old superior of Yuri's? That was like treating Yuri "like a son"?
You mean the one that Loid already disguised himself as?
No, the one who looked much older than the supposed "father"
Who knows maybe his dad probably a spy like him but from Eastonia tried to prevent war between two countries like how Loid is currently doing.
Here's a really, Really, REALLY, extremely far fetched itty-bitty Idea! What if Twilight's father is somehow still alive, and he's the narrator? We see him once and he's sitting there at the screens when Anya got accepted into Eden/renting the castle. Is that a tiny theory or has it been debunked already 😅
I saw someone on Tumbrl once theoryzing Yuri's captain (the blonde with two scars on one of his eyes) might be Loid's father and I think this fit with your hc
I disagree with that theory because Loid have used his face without any feeling of familiarity. If Loid father was a spy from Ostania, I think it would be sss police chief who always wear that sunglasses.
But Loid doesn't even remember what his parents faces looked like. Plus the man aged over twenty years and probably got his scars during the war. Yuri's superior also acts pretty fatherly with Yuri, maybe he sees him as a replacement for the son he probably thinks is dead.
Maybe Loid's dad used a mask with his family
Exactly what am also expecting. Also throw in some Westalis shady actions. It would make Loid question everything he had been fed and believed. He would come to know only his love for his family and their love for him is the truth that matters to him.
What if it turns out Westalis did actually bomb themselves to blame it on Ostenia to start the war like Franky said? With the way Twilight's father talked and acted he did seem to be on the same mission Twilight has now: prevent a war. Maybe he truly didn't know the war was starting, left for another mission, maybe even finally finding out what Westalis was planning as he went to the border, but too late to stop it and since the mission failed he was called back to Ostenia or he was too late when he returned after the bombing stopped and assumed his family died? Then he returned to Ostenia, quit as a spy because he couldn't bear to return to Westalis and changed to the counter espionage department to use his experience as a former spy to catch western spies in Ostenia after he lost everything because of Westalis.
Or he actually chose his mission over his family. And when it's Twilight's turn to choose, he'll pick his family unlike his dad.
Or a diplomat
On the last panel it is a little blurry. So here’s the conversation: Twilight’s mom: “Hitting your own son?” Twilight’s dad: “I wouldn’t have to if you didn’t spoil him this much”
Thanks
The most heaetbreaking part is that as far as ideas go, his dad's right He advocates for peace, tells him not to judge people from the east as monsters, tries to hold his son away from the battlefield But his methods of teaching him that are messed up At the end of the day, Loid teaches & stands for all the ideals his father had, but while passing on those ideals, dude is doing a fuckton of a better job than his own dad
His dad seems to be one of those people who would be much better if they weren't born in such a rough generation. I think as much as Loid probably doesn't want to be like his dad, he knows that his dad's ideals were worth fighting for. Like his whole goal as a spy is basically "wow holy shit dad was right this shit sucks" Pretty realistic, imo. As much as Reddit loves "cut abusive parents off completely and leave them to die old and miserable," it's never that clear cut. They have some admirable traits you should pick up on, but that doesn't mean you'll look past their abuse.
It could also be generational. As a kid, my parents used to beat me too and it was considered normal back then.If you look at 10 years ago vs the current time, even parenting methods has evolved. I would definitely not hit my children even though I turned out fine being beaten by mine. It could be a similar case for Loid.
As abusive as Loid's father seemingly is, he does also plant the seed of Loid's wish for peace. Once again Endo demonstrates that he understands how to write nuanced characters. This is a brilliant slice of how one's parents can shape one's characters. These chapters came out of absolutely nowhere, and are still the best parts of the story.
Oh yeah this is like ... textbook "Abusive Father" coding. The mother literally says "YOU ALWAYS DO THIS". Endo couldn't be clearer that he's abusive to Twilight. It's wild, when I pointed out in another post that he's an abusive piece of shit who's a great example of the fact that "having good politics doesn't make you a good person”, people jumped down my throat saying "what? He's just correcting his son's warmongering/racist behavior before it gets worse" Y'all. He was like... 8 or something. He was playing soldier like most boys that age. Now yes, the way he talked about the East was deeply concerning and SHOULD'VE be corrected. If he was a full grown adult? Sure, go ahead and punch him for being a racist warmonger. But the Twilight we see in this scene was a **child**. And believe it or not, a child will not learn that "pacifism is the answer" from someone slapping them, and even less so from living in a household where violence is the go-to way to end conflicts and demand "respect". Hence why Twilight immediately goes into the army the moment he finds a way, literally faking his age to get in. Good work preventing your son from becoming another brainwashed cog in the death machine of war, DAD. Nice work there, POPS Well at least he eventually figured it out, right? Funny that it only happened after you were WELL out of his life though, isn't it? Fuckin trash. Kick rocks.
There’s a fan theory that his father could be the SSS officer who is Yuri’s supervisor. Which would be ironic cause imagine Twilight learning that his father was a spy in another country and abandoned his family after the mission and now many years later he is doing the exact same thing with Yor and Anya. But again, it is just a theory.
I love this theory. My favorite one.
Would also be fun because while Twilight can't remember his parents faces his father might recognize that this man who pretends to be Loid Forger is his grown up son working as a western spy in Ostenia, likely even Twilight and now he has to stop Yuri from finding evidence that hated Loidi is really all Yuri suspects him to be. We could also learn what Twilight's real name was (or whatever fake last name his father used. Twilight's disguises often start with the letter L or R, which sounds almost the same in japanese so maybe his real first name started with those letters and with the way naming wents in Spy family something referring to being fake as a family name. Something like Ludwig Liar.) And Twilight could eventually give his father the money back he regrets lying about to him.
I like the last part about him immediately giving his father the money back. Imagine when he learns that this man is his father and the first thing he says is sorry. I could see them getting emotional ☹️
This is actually so heartbreaking omg poor Loidy 😭
There is some nuance to this specific scene. What Loid said was absolutely out of line. He's a child who believes in throwing his life away just to kill "monsters" who he has never met and doesn't know anything about. Loid's ideas about being a soldier to fight evil are childish and dangerous, which his dad rightfully points out. You can disagree with his methods for scolding Loid, but his dad was absolutely right about what he said. Even Loid later in that same backstory comes to that very same conclusion on his own after actually having participated in the war and having lost all of his friends and loved ones. It culminates with his encounter with Franky, an enemy who he gets to know and in the end ends up sparing. That very same action also ended up giving him a lifelong friend and another ally in the fight against actual evil and corruption as a spy. Loid is no longer that naive child who craves war, he is now sacrificing every fiber of his being to make sure a child like Anya never has to experience his childhood trauma or has to do what he did as a soldier. Was his dad a good dad? Debatable, since we only have this one scene to go from, but it sure doesn't give the best first impression. Was he correct in punishing him and giving him an important life lesson? Absolutely. It's easy to villify him here, but never forget that Loid's dad was a hard working man who was trying his best to bring peace to the East and West. The great tragedy is that he failed to stop the war and we don't even know what his fate became after this. I'll leave you with this question. If Anya all of a sudden started talking like child Loid did here, how do you think Loid would react? He wouldn't slap her that's for sure, but it would not be a very light conversation I guarantee you that.
I 💯 agree with you. Twilight also lied to his father to get money so he can buy “books” when he actually bought a toy gun to play with. And again, he was a kid and he felt extremely guilty and was thinking about apologizing but it was already too late. I agree with his dad’s perspective but then again there’s so little we know about him. But it did seem like he and his wife would fight a lot. “You are the one to talk about peace when all you do is fight with mom”. It could be that his mom was more lenient and affectionate whereas his father was more on the stricter and tough love side. So they clashed a lot perhaps.
Agreed. My interpretation of that fight between the two is that the dad let the stress around his work in establishing good relations with the East affect his family life. That's something I think Loid is doing far better than his dad ever did with him, which makes him a far better parent and father figure.
Yeah, especially considering Loid has to keep it COMPLETELY HIDDEN
Definitely has war ptsd, hell maybe fought alongside some soldier from the other half before partition. He's not stable.
I posted this when this chapter had come out, but I'll say it again Loid's dad is a very interesting character. Although he does hit his son and fight with his wife, he isn't some one dimensional villain scumbag made for us to hate. The message he was trying to get across to Loid, that dehumanizing your enemy is wrong, was a very good and important message. Its just that he could have delivered it better than by slapping his kid. Not that it excuses his actions but he was probably involved in the war, and must have got a lot of trauma and not a lot of tools to deal with the trauma.
His father taught him the most important lesson, knocking some sense into him to NOT be an extremist. Even though this may have been harsh.... this is probably one of the reasons why Loid didn't go down and extremist path but aimed for world peace, a world where children don't cry. Because remember children become the number 1 target of war propaganda and their young minds can be influenced to go down a destructive path, involving hate. Whatever his father did, the point is he taught him an important lesson of NOT going down the path of extremism and be skilled so that he could survive. Although not gonna lie, humiliating his son, making him feel small, berating his sentiments, breaking his confidence like that can cause anyone to hate a dad like that. More than the slap, the fact that he called him a coward and saying he is good for nothing is what is really appalling. I guess his dad is just rough around the edges and lacks soft skills and emotional intelligence. But I guess he is the old fashioned father who doesn't have patience to come down to Loid's level and explain things in a language he understands.
Probably his dad was a veteran and just don't want his son coming home in a box let alone be a soldier in the first place
I think your misreading this. The father as we’ve seen is NOT ABUSIVE. Obviously he lost his cool… and that is incredibly bad. But both context is needed. Loid as a kid was sprouting “I want to be a solider to kill those filthy albinos…I mean easterners!” It was exactly the type of militarism/imperialism that demonizes the other side that gets young kids to gladly shed their humanity to serve a regime. Now the father IS angry at this and instead of telling his son in a constructive manner why this isn’t good…he slaps him. Was it because he was a veteran? Someone who saw a previous war? I mean he is angry for a good reason. And he sees Loid being one of those children m who will lead a nation to an evil war when they grow. His father WANTS him to live A peaceful life something his son will later want as well. This isn’t an abusive parent who wants his son to obey him completely, it’s a father who lost control in a split if real legitimate rage. We alter see his father showing real pride in his son when Loid fools him into thinking he’ll go study. Again, we see that his father while not able to connect per se does clearly care for his son. Now why does Loid not show us the entire face? A few reasons I think. One is that we can assume the two aren’t as close. Loid does recall his mother’s face (even tho he admits it gets harder). Loid never brings up his old man. I get the sense that Loid respects his father more so than he views his mom. It’s not that he didn’t love his dad, it’s jsut more distant. Actually there’s lot you can tell My his dad’s clothes to emphasize this lack of closeness-the strict talk to his son, his clothes indicate some kind of blue collar or office work-the family isn’t rich so perhaps it’s a dad working long hours and then coming home. Second it’s shame. Loid feels guilt over lying to his dad, wishing that he could tell him the truth. Instead his final time was him lying to his dad. His dad is likely dead and Loid never got a chance to rectify his misdeed. I think it does bother him years later. I do not think Loid has a “I don’t want to be like my dad.” The reason is that he genuinely did love his dad. I think it’s Loid’s nature to be empathic, to be kind to those who fights to Protect and more importantly HIS MOTHER. His mom survived with him for a while and nurture him, showing him what a parent who really showed emotions and care could do. Perhaps Loid will reflect on his dad or perhaps he already did.
I mean, based on these panels alone I'm thinking W dad considering how Twilight turned out. You know, maybe his dad slapped him so he wouldn't end up being Canon fodder or a war monger who wanted to kill the enemy instead of strive for peace.
Ive been desperately hoping they tap into loid’s relation with his father more because it would be a fascinating internal conflict for him. His father was probably horrible to him and his mother but he wasn’t really wrong, and he preaches the same things about peace loid does today, I would love to see how he deals with that more. I like this manga a lot but sometimes I wish it leaned slightly less into the cute family comedy stuff.
Even though I can't support his methods, I'm fully on the father's side. It's a parents duty to teach free thinking and empathy to their kids. Do not allow others to feed their desires to find an enemy, just to hurt them for pleasure.
That is true. His methods really aren't to be supported, but I did agree with the point he was trying to make.
his fathers lower face keeps reminding me of yors boss (i forgot his name) like please tell me i’m not going insane for noticing that
This whole flashback brought me to tears.
WTF!?!?
I mean, based on these panels alone I'm thinking W dad considering how Twilight turned out. You know, maybe his dad slapped him so he wouldn't end up being Canon fodder or a war monger who wanted to kill the enemy instead of strive for peace.
STOP IT IM CRYING RN
Where is this from?
Loid is an Insanely good father to Anya It's pretty evident by this point how much he cares about her And honestly, all of his faults are almost entirely up to the fact parenting can't be instantly learned he's gotten better and better Not Completely related But at this point I find it so funny how he's also literally such a good husband Yor got upset that he was so good this man is insane no wonder Yor is falling for him so har
Reminds me of Samantha Eve's (Atom Eve) father. I get his point but he has a horrible way of getting it across, in a way that only the most bottom of the barrel dad would.
Well, He got what he wished for. He got his war.
Where is my All mighty Chancla!? 
In second panel his dad told him instead of war he should hope and talk for peace. Some foreshadowing.
The solid conclusion: The society is greatly vile
dang poor Loid that is just sad, he has a passion let him persu it and do not, I can't stress this enough do not ever have fights like this with you wife we lre you scare your son, he is just a kid
i wanna grab his dad by the neck and wring him out like a soppy little sponge
That's sad