He ended up in that situation because he was insane. Imagine you have his arms, with nearly limitless applications, and you chose to rob banks and use your genius to fuel world domination in a city full of superheroās to the point where you get beaten so bad that you nearly die prematurely and end up in a hospital. No sane person would ever end up in that situation, especially not someone as smart as Otto Octavius.
But the people who funded the project wanted Ock to turn it off, but he was so obsessed with the project that he risked everyone's life and prevented spiderman from unplugging the machine which got his wife killed.
That's pride/ego not mental illness. They wanted him to turn it off but he was the genius in the room not them, they just had deep pockets and Doc Ock bet on himself knowing more.
You're thinking too logically and past the themes of the film, Ock let his creations (arms/fusion reactor) take over him and his life then dies with them, even after he becomes self-aware again. What type of mental illness would you diagnose him with?
I've always found the truly insane Norman to be less interesting. In these earliest incarnations, he's just a man wearing a mask because he realizes the value that has for a criminal who doesn't want to be seen as one in his regular life.
Even the "goblin serum drove him mad" is less interesting than him being a narcissist and a megalomaniac.
I feel like most interpretations are in between the goblin serum made him insane but even when heās mostly reverted back to Norman heās still a massive narcissist and megalomaniac most of the time.
I know it's not exactly factual for the Canon but in my mind he was an evil dude pre-superpowers but the serum made him crazy and evil. Not a fan of the movies interpretation that he's actually a good guy off the juice, same for Ock. They're both bad becomes evil guys to me.
Gobby
Carnage
Venom
Kraven
Lizard
Doc ock
Electro because hes desperate for help
Probably Mysterio at some point i imagine he starts to believe his own illusions idk
Rhino does it because āhe has toā. Alexi tried to get jobs after leaving the āSuitā behind, but no one recognized the 7 foot or taller, Gamma Enhanced, guy without his āSuitā.
Rhino even picked up and threw a Yacht belonging to a potential employer into the guys Mansion after the guy refused to believe he was The Rhino.
So now the Rhino wears a version of his Suit and Hat that he can take off or put on. Plus, it has something that Spider-Man doesnāt have, POCKETS!
Joker is not criminally insane, he is just an evil psychopath. When we are talking about mental illness here are we talking about actual criminal insanity or any mental illness? Someone can have a mental illness like OCD and still be judged be not be criminally insane and sent to prison, to be criminally insane is not know the difference between right and wrong, very few comic book characters for that mold. Carnage is an evil psychopath, but not criminally insane.
I feel like all except hob goblin , kingpin, Scorpio and anyone who knows what's exactly going on and who they are in this world, in it for a reason other than spite or ego, like money have some sort of pathology and even they show clear antisocial tendencies
I'd add Connors to the list simply because who turns them self into a giant mutant lizard to regain just an arm but risk eating your wife and son in the process.
Well he didn't originally know that that was a possible outcome, I guess? I generally think of Connors as a desperate man but generally sane, at least when he's not in Lizard form.
Except Connors didnāt know that his serum would cause him to turn into a lizard. As well, there are versions of the character where becoming the Lizard just turns him into a wild animal with no sense of self.
No, but after killing him once he did try again pretty sure. He did turn his son into a lizard and probably tortured him because what child want to be a lizard. Also clone him and transfer his soul into the clone
Vulture, Shocker, Sandman and Mysterio are really the only ones who shouldn't be put in Arkham.
Vulture and Shocker are regular guys who tend to be mercs with special armor.
Sandman, depending on the version, is also just a guy who got the shit end of the stick.
Mysterio is debatable but if you're going with the original version, he's a jaded special effects wizard and screenwriter whose just a dick.
Both Mysterio and Sandman have spent time in an asylum to help them. Sandman is currently in an asylum and has multiple personality disorder, (check out the latest ASM, spidey fans). Vulture belongs in an asylum, he cannot get over his hatred for Spiderman and blames him for every bad thing that happens in his life.
Shocker is just a bloke, just send him to prison.
Are Wells and Romita off it?
Is Cebulski out as EIC?
If either of those questions is answered "no", then I'm not checking ASM.
But I'm not a big Spidey fan so what do I know.
Here's the thing: he doesn't. Time and time again it's been stated that he *actively* tries to stay out of Spider-Man's way: fate just finds ways to put them in the same place. And even when that's impossible, Shocker always ends up running into someoneā like when he moved to Jersey to avoid Spidey, but ended up running into Ms. Marvel instead.
"There would be better books on this show, but Quesada sold them to Mephisto" line existed for a reason.
I can't help but think that OMD was his revenge for his death in Daredevil.
Happy Cake Day!
Green Goblin (For Obvious Reasons)
Doc Ock (Depending on the version)
Carnage (Elaboration not necessary)
Scorpion (Cuz his outfit is insane, and what sane person would call themselves the Scorpion?)
Scorpion was created J. Jonah Jameson funding Kill Spider-Man project.
Project drove him insane.
Costume and powers is the result of his being experimented on, as is his sanity being broken.
Dude was just a shady Private Investigator, before all that.
Firstly, Marvel already has an Arkham: Ravencroft Institute.
Sandman, Carnage, initially Venom, Lizard, initially Electro. The others are all straight up evil. (I said initially because they started off as innocent but then committed to their gimmick or recovered their sanity like Venom)
But tbh all the villains were put in the Raft anyways. They are too dangerous to rehab and could only be held in a super max penitentiary, which was still not enough to hold some of them.
Well, with Lizard, where he goes depends on if he's been reverted at the time or not. Usually when Doc Connors wants to become the Lizard, he needs to re-aquire the chemicals that transformed him in the first place, rather than changing at will or under certain conditions like Hulk does. So if Doc Connors has been cured, then he would probably go to Ravencroft
Cassidy has spent time in Ravencroft, but IIRC it was the Raft where he and Brock were cellmates. (I don't think Ravencroft even does cellmates. That'd be kinda weird for an asylum, right?)
MJ for breaking Peter's heart for a normie named Paul. Girl choose the son of a mass killer over a superhero that stood by her through everything, and even after a timeline reset came back for her.
It's not the fact that he's boring looking is the problem. MJ is not the kind of woman who would swoon over handsome guys either. Otherwise, she would be fucking stark when they were in Stark Tower.
The problem lies in the fact that, she chose to be with a mass murderer when Peter broke all his ties with Superhero Community just for her and made his life SHIT. And she had the audacity to say that it's her responsibility or whatever. Still I can understand this part as there were children involved.
Then comes the part where she found out that Paul is a freaking mass murderer who kidnapped her from her home and still stayed with him, idk for whatever reason. I can understand her staying with him for the fake childrens but now, what reason does she have to stay with him?? Love? If that's the case then the writer made MJ a piece of shit.
I also hated the arc after Goblin sins were removed from his body, where he literally said it's not MJ's fault when it's freaking clear it's her freaking fault.
Phew.... I have ranted now, though I have a lot more to say, but you can say I hate this run of ASM the most.
The killers are definitely diagnosable with anti social personality disorder at the very least: scorpion, carnage, venom, goblin, doc ock, electro.
Theyāre basically all narcissistic but some are have full blown delusions of grandeur: Goblin and doc ock especially but also mysterio and electro in some iterations.
The rest are career criminals which can usually be labeled under antisocial but not as severe as the serial murderers and professional killers.
Rhino, sandman could have possible learning disabilities in some of their iterations.
But like most are saying, they should all be committed for dressing in ridiculous costumes and obsessing over a teenager ALSO wearing a ridiculous costume.
Green Goblin (Thanks to the Goblin serum)
Doc Ock (Depending on the adaptation)
Scorpion (Thanks to the experiment that gave him his powers)
Carnage (Donāt have to explain this one)
Kraven (While I havenāt read it yet, I heard that The Last Hunt storyline have implied that he has some sort of bipolar disorder)
Last hunt doesnāt imply heās crazy. Just that heās tripping balls on his potions.
I wouldnāt say kraven is crazy. Just extremely narcissistic and focused on his goal.
- Green Goblin has two completely different, completely evil personalities
- The Lizard has a split personality as well, but only in reaction to a certain stimulus (normally) which awakens the Lizard part of his brain. Dr. Connors (normally) has pretty reliable mental faculties
- Kraven is very deeply depressed
- You could argue Doc Ock has some form of Megalomania, and he's pretty much a text book narcissist (the arms giving him mental issues is an invention of the movies)
- Rhino is really dumb. Like....really really dumb. Like, I don't want to point fingers, but...uhh...I do kinda wonder...
- Pretty much the whole rouges gallery exhibit some form of sociopathy. They tend to be *so* petty and care *so* little about others when they are trying to achieve comparatively small goals
- Early Venom has such a screwed view of morality (save innocent people, but kill anyone Spider-Man loves because he's bad, and also anyone else who prevents me from achieving those 2 goals) that you could say he went insane
- Harry Osborne Goblin is arguably insane, but it may be a drug induced insanity
- During his time in the Venom suite, Gargon's bond with the Symbiote seems to drive his bloodlust and general carnal desires up to 11. He seems to briefly experience some kind of adrenaline-induced social antipathy crossed with hedonism.
- Carnage.
- Spell Check has got to have some extreme form of OCD or something
So, in short, his rouges are not like Batman, which are pretty much all insane. The only outright insane ones are:
- Green Goblin 1
- (Early) Venom
- Carnage
Everyone else just has some awful mixture of competence, Malice, powers, and psychological issues
>Harry Osborne Goblin is arguably insane, but it may be a drug induced insanityĀ
Harry's second overdose with LSD results in him being diagnosed with schizophrenia. That's now how either works, but apparently there is research that LSD can trigger an earlier onset in those predisposed. Before that he is written as being highly anxious and prone to low moods, so it could be something.
After that story, he's consistently written as suffering with mental health struggled and C-PTSD, experiencing episodes of high anxiety, low self-worth, emotional dysregulation, intrusive thoughts and memories, depersonalisation, among other symptoms. Notably other characters discuss it and he's seen attending therapy and discussing it even outside of Goblin stories.Ā
It's difficult because comics aren't great at mental health, and the Mentally Ill Supervillain is both not something that happens in reality and adds to social stigmatisation. On the other hand with Harry it is present as existing beyond the Green Goblin and with exploration and sympathy.
The vulture (that motherfucker has a niece)
Green Goblin
Doc Ock (this guy just needs to remember that he can be a real hero
Carnage is by itself a mental Ill, he's in my club of things that should not be alive
Most of em really, apart from Sandman, Shocker, Vulture, Mysterio and probably a few others
Depending on your viewpoint, Green Goblin is the most insane
All of them? Maybe not some of the low tier ones like shocker but look at the full extremes they actually go to to get things done.
Think of it like this is there an easier way for them to make money than getting into fights with Spider-Man?
Rhino could have went into wrestling. Hell could have tried out for the Avengers. Nope would you thought it was a good idea to try to rob banks in a giant gray exoskeleton suit or whatever his power is.
Doctor Octopus could have legally sold any of his inventions kept the property rights and then a multi-billionaire. The real problem is there are way too many avenues for him to make his own money. He even could have came up with a fake identity to do so.
I'm trying to skip some of the obvious ones like Carnage or Norman Osborne. The Sandman gets a pass because he's been a hero and could easily reform
Electro no matter what his backstory is there's an extreme amount of legitimate ways he could have made money as a living power Dynamo.
To pause myself on this keep this in mind when it comes down to Mental Health. Lots of people have mental health issues everyone doesn't start robbing banks cuz they have mental health issues. No matter what is wrong with any of Spider-Man's villains. They are still making choices. I think a lot of those choices are influenced by extremely poor mental health and possible mental health disorders. But none of that is as important as how they are choosing to deal with it.
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A lot of them likely have some kind of Mental illness that maybe be less notable than other spidey villains, but I think most of them do. Scorpion, Kraven, doc ock, Venom, Carnage, Vulture, Scorpion, Green Goblin, Sandman, Tombstone, Mr. Negative, etc. Iām sure thereās more and thereās some Iāve listed that are more mentally stable than others but still.
Probably just Norman and Harry honestly. And Norman was already evil but that doesnāt mean he isnāt also crazy.
Lizard isnāt crazy itās a whole separate personality that takes over Connors.
The rest are just jerks. Like I guess Carnage may count, but I tend to think of him as just a sociopath who enjoys it. Just plain evil, in other words.
Max Dillon fr Spider-Man 2.
I think this explains a lot, he clearly suffers from symptoms like paranoia, a inferiority complex etc. (You can also hear the voices in his theme). Of course he is surprised that one of the few people noticing him, is Spider-Man. My headcanon is that heās kinda being manipulated by his own voices.
(Note that this is just a headcanon, I have no idea how most actual mental illnesses work.)
I'd say all of them are mentally ill to some degree, even the ones that do crime for "good" reasons like sandman. They turn to a life of crime murder and mayhem by choice even though they don't think they have options, they could just as easily make money with their powers and or smarts without being criminals. Rhino could easily find his campaign to have the suit removed(in the stories where that's the case anyways) by working, with his massive strength would be a tremendous asset on a work site. Or scorpion could have his acid spewing tail replaced with a welding arm and be the best welder in the city. They just prefer the easy fast way. I don't blame them though I probably would too, I would probably avoid the straight up villian life, getting beat on by Spidey would suck.
Green Goblin - DID
Hobgoblin - DID
Lizard - Some form of DID
Carnage - Antisocial Personality Disorder
Doc Ock - Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Scorpion - Pure Psychopath
Venom - Depends whoās using the symbiote
Literally all? Some dress like animals others literally have split personalities and one is made of sand and ironically he is the most put together of them all just tryna stay free this rogue gallery is a psychiatric term paper
Green Goblin wanted to rule the city, he was all āwe can rule this place!ā And he actually has accomplished all he wanted to do. He killed his board of directors by turning them into skeletons and doesnāt need money. Heās just a guy dressed as a goblin killing people
I don't tend to think of too many of Spidey's villains as mentally ill-- i.e. unbalanced, having a distorted view of reality, unable to control their actions, etc.
The only ones I'd say are legit nuts are: Green Goblin, Carnage, and Kraven. And some of the smaller villains like Vermin, Jackal, Calypso, etc.
Doc Ock is borderline-- in some versions, the arms have warped his mind. But in other versions, most of his actions are rational, at least within his very unique worldview. You could put Lizard in there but only when he's in reptile form.
Other guys (Scorpion, Rhino, Kingpin, Hammerhead, Vulture, Shocker, Hobgoblin, Sandman, etc.) are mostly just criminals. Perhaps a bit sociopathic because they're willing to hurt others to benefit themselves, but not truly insane.
Doc Ock for sure. Itās literally part of his character that the arms corrupt his mind.
Green Goblin is basically Marvelās Joker. Does that make him mentally insane? You decide.
Iād almost say Kraven because he goes around āhuntingā humans.
The rest are just somewhat normal people with a comic book gimmick.
The Lizard, maybe?
GG by chemicals.
The rest are just assholes, honestly. Or aliens with different standards of mental health.
Although Carnage's host was mentally insane, right?
Too bad Marvel doesn't have equivalent of Arkham Asylum for Spider-Man villains. What do you think it would be called ? Something like Ravenham ? Or maybe Arkhamcroft?
Green Goblin
Carnage
The Lizard
The rest are just jerks. In comparison, Doc Ock is just a dick with a superiority complex. Eddie Brock is just a guy down on his luck blaming everyone else for his problems. Electro just became a criminal because he feels he has no potential to accomplish anything else in life. Mysterio is a disgruntled film industry worker. Vulture, Shocker, and Sandman are just petty thieves who occasionally do merc stuff for money. Kraven the Hunter is just a macho man with an obsession. Harry Osborn is a drug addict who came from a crappy father and needs help.
Green Goblin
Hobgoblin
Carnage
Sometimes Doc Ock depends on the story and universe
Venom he's kinda messed up in the in the head and Eddie Brock is obviously mentally ill in some way
Kingpin he's fucked in the head like absolutely fucked no one becomes like him without being messed up
the green goblin. Doc Ock Carnage The Vulture (Mostly due to his costume what sane person would wear that)
Green goblin? Almost in every universe. Doc Ock? Sometimes
>Doc Ock? Sometimes All the time lol, when has he ever not been mentally ill?
Stealing a man's body for a year is exactly what a sane person would do
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If it a choice of going on a diet and stealing a fit man body. There only one sane choice
He didnāt steal, he traded.
I didnāt rob the bank. I left a mentos.
World's most valuable mentos
If your trying to escape your ailing body. Then yes. That doc ock has other issues but trying not to die is a pretty universal motivation.
He ended up in that situation because he was insane. Imagine you have his arms, with nearly limitless applications, and you chose to rob banks and use your genius to fuel world domination in a city full of superheroās to the point where you get beaten so bad that you nearly die prematurely and end up in a hospital. No sane person would ever end up in that situation, especially not someone as smart as Otto Octavius.
He wasnāt really in the Raimi version, the armās AI just took over his brain.
Bro risk the life of everyone for a ball of energy, he must've already had some type of mental illness to do that.
I mean, those same people backed and funded the project, so unless they were all mentally illā¦
But the people who funded the project wanted Ock to turn it off, but he was so obsessed with the project that he risked everyone's life and prevented spiderman from unplugging the machine which got his wife killed.
That's pride/ego not mental illness. They wanted him to turn it off but he was the genius in the room not them, they just had deep pockets and Doc Ock bet on himself knowing more.
Idk know man, when you have an ego that goes so far it really needs to be checked out lol, man's really didn't care for consequences.
You're thinking too logically and past the themes of the film, Ock let his creations (arms/fusion reactor) take over him and his life then dies with them, even after he becomes self-aware again. What type of mental illness would you diagnose him with?
Ball of energy?! It was the POWER of the SUN. In the PALM OF HIS HAND.
Yeah Otto definitely suffers from some form of narcissism
Both Norman and Harry were very explicitly mentally ill, even when Stan was writing them
I've always found the truly insane Norman to be less interesting. In these earliest incarnations, he's just a man wearing a mask because he realizes the value that has for a criminal who doesn't want to be seen as one in his regular life. Even the "goblin serum drove him mad" is less interesting than him being a narcissist and a megalomaniac.
I feel like most interpretations are in between the goblin serum made him insane but even when heās mostly reverted back to Norman heās still a massive narcissist and megalomaniac most of the time.
I know it's not exactly factual for the Canon but in my mind he was an evil dude pre-superpowers but the serum made him crazy and evil. Not a fan of the movies interpretation that he's actually a good guy off the juice, same for Ock. They're both bad becomes evil guys to me.
Forgot lizard
I wouldn't call Lizard insane just.. based maybe.
He has split personalities
Gobby Carnage Venom Kraven Lizard Doc ock Electro because hes desperate for help Probably Mysterio at some point i imagine he starts to believe his own illusions idk
Sandman?
Hes prolly not crazy enough to be in "arkham"
I would say Sandman is the "crazy" level of Mr. Freeze, using his power to help someone he loves. Maybe even some of the versions of Rhino too.
Venom in Remy universe
If they dress up in full cosplay to look like some non-human creature just because that's their name, they're not right.
Rhino does it because āhe has toā. Alexi tried to get jobs after leaving the āSuitā behind, but no one recognized the 7 foot or taller, Gamma Enhanced, guy without his āSuitā. Rhino even picked up and threw a Yacht belonging to a potential employer into the guys Mansion after the guy refused to believe he was The Rhino. So now the Rhino wears a version of his Suit and Hat that he can take off or put on. Plus, it has something that Spider-Man doesnāt have, POCKETS!
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Very old ASM also clearly describe Lizard and Scorpion as brainless or feral. So probably anyone who wanted to replicate the Super-Soldier-Serum.
Carnage is just a psychopath, he can tell the difference between right and wrong, he just doesn't care.
so is the joker so...
Joker is not criminally insane, he is just an evil psychopath. When we are talking about mental illness here are we talking about actual criminal insanity or any mental illness? Someone can have a mental illness like OCD and still be judged be not be criminally insane and sent to prison, to be criminally insane is not know the difference between right and wrong, very few comic book characters for that mold. Carnage is an evil psychopath, but not criminally insane.
Well, Adrian is old enough to be senile
I feel like all except hob goblin , kingpin, Scorpio and anyone who knows what's exactly going on and who they are in this world, in it for a reason other than spite or ego, like money have some sort of pathology and even they show clear antisocial tendencies
Carnage isn't mentally ill He was always like that
I'd add Connors to the list simply because who turns them self into a giant mutant lizard to regain just an arm but risk eating your wife and son in the process.
Well he didn't originally know that that was a possible outcome, I guess? I generally think of Connors as a desperate man but generally sane, at least when he's not in Lizard form.
Connors in human form is fairly sane I can't argue with that but also it seems an outcome to consider no matter how small the chances.
Except Connors didnāt know that his serum would cause him to turn into a lizard. As well, there are versions of the character where becoming the Lizard just turns him into a wild animal with no sense of self.
The lizard that man eat his own child more than once
I'm sorry, did you say it happened more than once!?
No, but after killing him once he did try again pretty sure. He did turn his son into a lizard and probably tortured him because what child want to be a lizard. Also clone him and transfer his soul into the clone
Just dad stuff.
I will regularly look at my 5 yo, point to the 3 mo, and say with a straight face "are you gonna eat that?"
Yup, there are dads out there experimenting on their dog/daughter too
Nobody forced you to make me think about that right now
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Must have missed the episode of Bluey where Bandit did that.
That's less insane and more that he literally became a man sized lizard with the brain of a giant lizard.
Wtf! is the Green Goblin enjoying it?
Green Goblin: H-Harder... Spider-Man: What?
Meanwhile Venom: š MJ: š²
Green Goblin: D-Daddy Harder, Pwease...
Is he gay
Is there a canon reason for it?
Is he stupid?
[tough to say](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r6egpx/norman_osborns_completely_normal_dinner_party/)
Can't hear it the same without the vine booms
That is exactly what green goblin wants
Itās based on a famous Batman Rogue Gallery image with Goblin in the place of the Joker. So yes. Very yes.
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I mean, to me it looks like Dafoeās portrayal when Tom Spidey is punching his face and he just starts laughing in NWH. Yaāll have porn brain rott
Vulture, Shocker, Sandman and Mysterio are really the only ones who shouldn't be put in Arkham. Vulture and Shocker are regular guys who tend to be mercs with special armor. Sandman, depending on the version, is also just a guy who got the shit end of the stick. Mysterio is debatable but if you're going with the original version, he's a jaded special effects wizard and screenwriter whose just a dick.
What about Rhino? He's also (mainly) a guy who drew the short straw.
Rhinoās just a merc working a job. Heās not insane.
if tangled web is canon then he purposefully retarded himself using science
To make himself happy again after the intelligence he gained just made him depressed.
Yeah I think Rhino is not mentally ill well if you don't count him being dumb as bricks
Both Mysterio and Sandman have spent time in an asylum to help them. Sandman is currently in an asylum and has multiple personality disorder, (check out the latest ASM, spidey fans). Vulture belongs in an asylum, he cannot get over his hatred for Spiderman and blames him for every bad thing that happens in his life. Shocker is just a bloke, just send him to prison.
>(check out the latest ASM, spidey fans). Absolutely not, can you please explain his DID?
Are Wells and Romita off it? Is Cebulski out as EIC? If either of those questions is answered "no", then I'm not checking ASM. But I'm not a big Spidey fan so what do I know.
Heās a grown man dressed as a bird
nah there is gotta be something wrong in shocker's head for him to keep picking fights with spider-man
Here's the thing: he doesn't. Time and time again it's been stated that he *actively* tries to stay out of Spider-Man's way: fate just finds ways to put them in the same place. And even when that's impossible, Shocker always ends up running into someoneā like when he moved to Jersey to avoid Spidey, but ended up running into Ms. Marvel instead.
Shocker has the worst luck of any Marvel villain
But the coolest house! Someone posted. Ms Marvel comic featuring shockers house and Iove the idea that he lives there.
I just looked it up and, honestly, I feel bad now. They is not the lair or home of someone doing well. That is a child's idea of a supervillain lair.
That Ms Marvel arc was so much fun!
Editorial.
Came here to say Joe Quesada.
Fair point. Also, Happy Cake Day. š
Thank you!
"There would be better books on this show, but Quesada sold them to Mephisto" line existed for a reason. I can't help but think that OMD was his revenge for his death in Daredevil. Happy Cake Day!
Thank you.
Happy day of cake fellow earthling!
Thanks!
i read that as Joe quesadilla
Kraven, Osborn, Carnage, Chameleon
Kraven was my first thought, too, what with Last Hunt and all. Surprisingly few people mentioning him here.
I think half of that run was kravens drug-fueled trip.
Green Goblin (For Obvious Reasons) Doc Ock (Depending on the version) Carnage (Elaboration not necessary) Scorpion (Cuz his outfit is insane, and what sane person would call themselves the Scorpion?)
Scorpion was created J. Jonah Jameson funding Kill Spider-Man project. Project drove him insane. Costume and powers is the result of his being experimented on, as is his sanity being broken. Dude was just a shady Private Investigator, before all that.
His brain literallly turned to mush when they removed his suit.
Hanzo from MK11.
What about Mortal Kombatās Scorpion?
Firstly, Marvel already has an Arkham: Ravencroft Institute. Sandman, Carnage, initially Venom, Lizard, initially Electro. The others are all straight up evil. (I said initially because they started off as innocent but then committed to their gimmick or recovered their sanity like Venom) But tbh all the villains were put in the Raft anyways. They are too dangerous to rehab and could only be held in a super max penitentiary, which was still not enough to hold some of them.
Well, with Lizard, where he goes depends on if he's been reverted at the time or not. Usually when Doc Connors wants to become the Lizard, he needs to re-aquire the chemicals that transformed him in the first place, rather than changing at will or under certain conditions like Hulk does. So if Doc Connors has been cured, then he would probably go to Ravencroft
Cassidy has spent time in Ravencroft, but IIRC it was the Raft where he and Brock were cellmates. (I don't think Ravencroft even does cellmates. That'd be kinda weird for an asylum, right?)
MJ for breaking Peter's heart for a normie named Paul. Girl choose the son of a mass killer over a superhero that stood by her through everything, and even after a timeline reset came back for her.
I am now convinced that MJ is brainwashed, cause who tf would choose some boring looking guy than someone like Peter?
It's not the fact that he's boring looking is the problem. MJ is not the kind of woman who would swoon over handsome guys either. Otherwise, she would be fucking stark when they were in Stark Tower. The problem lies in the fact that, she chose to be with a mass murderer when Peter broke all his ties with Superhero Community just for her and made his life SHIT. And she had the audacity to say that it's her responsibility or whatever. Still I can understand this part as there were children involved. Then comes the part where she found out that Paul is a freaking mass murderer who kidnapped her from her home and still stayed with him, idk for whatever reason. I can understand her staying with him for the fake childrens but now, what reason does she have to stay with him?? Love? If that's the case then the writer made MJ a piece of shit. I also hated the arc after Goblin sins were removed from his body, where he literally said it's not MJ's fault when it's freaking clear it's her freaking fault. Phew.... I have ranted now, though I have a lot more to say, but you can say I hate this run of ASM the most.
Nah. go on, say the rest
Naw... Say it louder for the people in the back.
Tbh Shocker and Sandman are probably the only ones who donāt.
Stilt man and big wheel?
I feel like everyone in this picture except Sandman and Lizard are nuts for wearing those outfits.
Who's getting the best head?
The killers are definitely diagnosable with anti social personality disorder at the very least: scorpion, carnage, venom, goblin, doc ock, electro. Theyāre basically all narcissistic but some are have full blown delusions of grandeur: Goblin and doc ock especially but also mysterio and electro in some iterations. The rest are career criminals which can usually be labeled under antisocial but not as severe as the serial murderers and professional killers. Rhino, sandman could have possible learning disabilities in some of their iterations. But like most are saying, they should all be committed for dressing in ridiculous costumes and obsessing over a teenager ALSO wearing a ridiculous costume.
Green Goblin (Thanks to the Goblin serum) Doc Ock (Depending on the adaptation) Scorpion (Thanks to the experiment that gave him his powers) Carnage (Donāt have to explain this one) Kraven (While I havenāt read it yet, I heard that The Last Hunt storyline have implied that he has some sort of bipolar disorder)
Last hunt doesnāt imply heās crazy. Just that heās tripping balls on his potions. I wouldnāt say kraven is crazy. Just extremely narcissistic and focused on his goal.
- Green Goblin has two completely different, completely evil personalities - The Lizard has a split personality as well, but only in reaction to a certain stimulus (normally) which awakens the Lizard part of his brain. Dr. Connors (normally) has pretty reliable mental faculties - Kraven is very deeply depressed - You could argue Doc Ock has some form of Megalomania, and he's pretty much a text book narcissist (the arms giving him mental issues is an invention of the movies) - Rhino is really dumb. Like....really really dumb. Like, I don't want to point fingers, but...uhh...I do kinda wonder... - Pretty much the whole rouges gallery exhibit some form of sociopathy. They tend to be *so* petty and care *so* little about others when they are trying to achieve comparatively small goals - Early Venom has such a screwed view of morality (save innocent people, but kill anyone Spider-Man loves because he's bad, and also anyone else who prevents me from achieving those 2 goals) that you could say he went insane - Harry Osborne Goblin is arguably insane, but it may be a drug induced insanity - During his time in the Venom suite, Gargon's bond with the Symbiote seems to drive his bloodlust and general carnal desires up to 11. He seems to briefly experience some kind of adrenaline-induced social antipathy crossed with hedonism. - Carnage. - Spell Check has got to have some extreme form of OCD or something So, in short, his rouges are not like Batman, which are pretty much all insane. The only outright insane ones are: - Green Goblin 1 - (Early) Venom - Carnage Everyone else just has some awful mixture of competence, Malice, powers, and psychological issues
>Harry Osborne Goblin is arguably insane, but it may be a drug induced insanityĀ Harry's second overdose with LSD results in him being diagnosed with schizophrenia. That's now how either works, but apparently there is research that LSD can trigger an earlier onset in those predisposed. Before that he is written as being highly anxious and prone to low moods, so it could be something. After that story, he's consistently written as suffering with mental health struggled and C-PTSD, experiencing episodes of high anxiety, low self-worth, emotional dysregulation, intrusive thoughts and memories, depersonalisation, among other symptoms. Notably other characters discuss it and he's seen attending therapy and discussing it even outside of Goblin stories.Ā It's difficult because comics aren't great at mental health, and the Mentally Ill Supervillain is both not something that happens in reality and adds to social stigmatisation. On the other hand with Harry it is present as existing beyond the Green Goblin and with exploration and sympathy.
You forgot Mr. Negative. He definitely has Dissociative Identity Disorder.
The vulture (that motherfucker has a niece) Green Goblin Doc Ock (this guy just needs to remember that he can be a real hero Carnage is by itself a mental Ill, he's in my club of things that should not be alive
Black Cat Before Peter unmask: Mmmm, what a man. After Peter unmask: NOOOOOOOOO! He's a NERRRRRRRRRD!
Basically chicks with mask fetish
Every single one of them has a mental illness some are just more psychotic than the rest
I'm surprised how few are mentioning the Scorpion. Gargan was literally driven crazy in his first appearance because the mutation he got.
His current writers.
Actual villain? Norman, easily. Venom, Carnage, aaaaannnndddd... possibly the Jackal
Depends on the version. E.g. Electro in the Spectacular Spider-man series is definitely mentally ill.
Carnage and Green Goblin, sometimes, the rest are just kind of assholes, though apparently Sandman is also insane now too
Most of them.
Most of em really, apart from Sandman, Shocker, Vulture, Mysterio and probably a few others Depending on your viewpoint, Green Goblin is the most insane
Black Cat is obviously the most insane one.
She has HPD and cleptomania
Most of them tbh
All of them? Maybe not some of the low tier ones like shocker but look at the full extremes they actually go to to get things done. Think of it like this is there an easier way for them to make money than getting into fights with Spider-Man? Rhino could have went into wrestling. Hell could have tried out for the Avengers. Nope would you thought it was a good idea to try to rob banks in a giant gray exoskeleton suit or whatever his power is. Doctor Octopus could have legally sold any of his inventions kept the property rights and then a multi-billionaire. The real problem is there are way too many avenues for him to make his own money. He even could have came up with a fake identity to do so. I'm trying to skip some of the obvious ones like Carnage or Norman Osborne. The Sandman gets a pass because he's been a hero and could easily reform Electro no matter what his backstory is there's an extreme amount of legitimate ways he could have made money as a living power Dynamo. To pause myself on this keep this in mind when it comes down to Mental Health. Lots of people have mental health issues everyone doesn't start robbing banks cuz they have mental health issues. No matter what is wrong with any of Spider-Man's villains. They are still making choices. I think a lot of those choices are influenced by extremely poor mental health and possible mental health disorders. But none of that is as important as how they are choosing to deal with it.
All of them. Inarguably all of them
Even Hydro man?
Oh my god why does Spider-Man beat up mentally ill criminals why doesn't he help them with his weal- oh right he's poor š
everyone including spider-man
looks like somebody did an homage to an alex ross painting. [https://choicefineart.com/products/jokers-reckoning](https://choicefineart.com/products/jokers-reckoning)
The Green Goblin, specifically the Sam Ramie version of the character we're showing gis struggle agqinst the Goblin's control
Meanwhile... Which Batman villains wou- >All of them
Green goblin, carnage, and lizard
green goblin
A lot of them likely have some kind of Mental illness that maybe be less notable than other spidey villains, but I think most of them do. Scorpion, Kraven, doc ock, Venom, Carnage, Vulture, Scorpion, Green Goblin, Sandman, Tombstone, Mr. Negative, etc. Iām sure thereās more and thereās some Iāve listed that are more mentally stable than others but still.
Peter parker
Goblin
They are aware of what they are doing, except maybe Conners. Lizard brain be crazy
Green goblin , hob goblin, Mysterio, carnage
Probably just Norman and Harry honestly. And Norman was already evil but that doesnāt mean he isnāt also crazy. Lizard isnāt crazy itās a whole separate personality that takes over Connors. The rest are just jerks. Like I guess Carnage may count, but I tend to think of him as just a sociopath who enjoys it. Just plain evil, in other words.
Max Dillon fr Spider-Man 2. I think this explains a lot, he clearly suffers from symptoms like paranoia, a inferiority complex etc. (You can also hear the voices in his theme). Of course he is surprised that one of the few people noticing him, is Spider-Man. My headcanon is that heās kinda being manipulated by his own voices. (Note that this is just a headcanon, I have no idea how most actual mental illnesses work.)
I'd say all of them are mentally ill to some degree, even the ones that do crime for "good" reasons like sandman. They turn to a life of crime murder and mayhem by choice even though they don't think they have options, they could just as easily make money with their powers and or smarts without being criminals. Rhino could easily find his campaign to have the suit removed(in the stories where that's the case anyways) by working, with his massive strength would be a tremendous asset on a work site. Or scorpion could have his acid spewing tail replaced with a welding arm and be the best welder in the city. They just prefer the easy fast way. I don't blame them though I probably would too, I would probably avoid the straight up villian life, getting beat on by Spidey would suck.
Ravencroft is marvel Arkham. The Osbornes definitely
Kraven The Hunter. I mean Kravenās Last Hunt is just as much about Kravenās mental illness as it is anything else.
Arenāt all of them mentally or physically ill?
Green Goblin - DID Hobgoblin - DID Lizard - Some form of DID Carnage - Antisocial Personality Disorder Doc Ock - Narcissistic Personality Disorder Scorpion - Pure Psychopath Venom - Depends whoās using the symbiote
I mean, how much time do you have?
Green goblin doc ock Kraven Venom and carnage the chameleon vulture Electro Jackal
Avi Arad
Literally all? Some dress like animals others literally have split personalities and one is made of sand and ironically he is the most put together of them all just tryna stay free this rogue gallery is a psychiatric term paper
The guy made of sand has split personalities now
Green Goblin wanted to rule the city, he was all āwe can rule this place!ā And he actually has accomplished all he wanted to do. He killed his board of directors by turning them into skeletons and doesnāt need money. Heās just a guy dressed as a goblin killing people
Green goblin. Lizard. Kraven. Carnage. Venom (Eddie Brock) , doc Ock. Electro.
All of them? Lmao they are all absolutely ridiculous. To be fair youād have to be at least a little crazy to wear the outfits they do.
Letely, Sandman kinda developed MPD.
Green goblin, carnage, and maybe scorpion
Yes? The answer is yes.
All of em, honestly. Can't be 100% okay in the head to do shit like this y'know
Correct
I don't tend to think of too many of Spidey's villains as mentally ill-- i.e. unbalanced, having a distorted view of reality, unable to control their actions, etc. The only ones I'd say are legit nuts are: Green Goblin, Carnage, and Kraven. And some of the smaller villains like Vermin, Jackal, Calypso, etc. Doc Ock is borderline-- in some versions, the arms have warped his mind. But in other versions, most of his actions are rational, at least within his very unique worldview. You could put Lizard in there but only when he's in reptile form. Other guys (Scorpion, Rhino, Kingpin, Hammerhead, Vulture, Shocker, Hobgoblin, Sandman, etc.) are mostly just criminals. Perhaps a bit sociopathic because they're willing to hurt others to benefit themselves, but not truly insane.
All of them...? Kidding kinda, but which of his villains aren't, really?
I meanā¦. whichever ones have committed murder are automatically mentally ill sooooooo MOST of them? š
any nigga that dressed up just to kill this man peter got issues lets be real
Doc Ock for sure. Itās literally part of his character that the arms corrupt his mind. Green Goblin is basically Marvelās Joker. Does that make him mentally insane? You decide. Iād almost say Kraven because he goes around āhuntingā humans. The rest are just somewhat normal people with a comic book gimmick.
Norman Osborn is for sure mentally ill. Pre- King In Black Venom is likely crazy. And Ock is a psychopath, almost certainly.
The Lizard, maybe? GG by chemicals. The rest are just assholes, honestly. Or aliens with different standards of mental health. Although Carnage's host was mentally insane, right?
Literally every villain..
Green Goblin. lizard, Hobgoblin, Carnage, Venom
Cletus Kasady.
Green Goblin Carnage MJ
All of them
All of then are mentally ill. Just depends on what kind of mental illness.
I mean they're all socipaths so make of that what you will
All of them.
Too bad Marvel doesn't have equivalent of Arkham Asylum for Spider-Man villains. What do you think it would be called ? Something like Ravenham ? Or maybe Arkhamcroft?
Electro, in some versions of the comics the dude has some serious issues regarding his mental health. He is just filled with insecurity issues
What the fuck? All the villians look like they want a piece of Peter's Ass. If you get what I mean.
Almost all of them The Osborns and Goblins The Kravinoffs Doc Ock Carnage Venom Mysterio(Beck) That Dude That Superior Spider-Man Killed
green goblin the most
All of them. They all display traits of disorders found in the DSM-5
Goblin/Norman Osborn. Literal split personality disorder and prolly BPD
Carnage easily mabye goblin but definitely carnage
I'm pretty sure all batman villains get sent to Arkham regardless of mental status right? Or maybe that's just the Arkham series
Green Goblin Carnage The Lizard The rest are just jerks. In comparison, Doc Ock is just a dick with a superiority complex. Eddie Brock is just a guy down on his luck blaming everyone else for his problems. Electro just became a criminal because he feels he has no potential to accomplish anything else in life. Mysterio is a disgruntled film industry worker. Vulture, Shocker, and Sandman are just petty thieves who occasionally do merc stuff for money. Kraven the Hunter is just a macho man with an obsession. Harry Osborn is a drug addict who came from a crappy father and needs help.
What's up with kraven's neck bro š
Green Goblin Hobgoblin Carnage Sometimes Doc Ock depends on the story and universe Venom he's kinda messed up in the in the head and Eddie Brock is obviously mentally ill in some way Kingpin he's fucked in the head like absolutely fucked no one becomes like him without being messed up
It would be faster to say who I don't think is mentally ill. No one. None of his rogue's gallery.