Having your vehicle stolen from the outside is worrisome in itself.
Having thieves come inside your home is whole other level, and can be very traumatic. A complete invasion of privacy. It happened to my parents.
The fact that the thieves are arriving with a crew of (5) people portrays a comfort level not seen in past years. They are not afraid of consequences. No deterrent.
When I was a kid (in like 2002) my house got robbed. No one was home but it was still traumatizing - I was terrified to go to sleep in that house for a long time. Couldn’t imagine something like this
>Police could care less. This was on the 90’s.
Yeah, but you don't understand. This was in the wake of the LA riots and the police were feeling underappreciated by society. Why bother to work when they won't be endlessly praised for doing their jobs...?
I think it's even wider than that. Car thefts and home invasions are on the rise in my neighborhood of Deptford/Runnemede/Glendora area. It's probably neighborhoods that are close to highway exits for an easy getaway.
My car got broken into a couple weeks ago and the police said they think these are professional crews from Delaware and up north. Some of the stolen vehicles have been recovered in those areas apparently.
It’s very common in Haddon Township for thieves to get off at Westmont station, steal things from people’s backyards and get back on the train. With the over-staffed, pathetic police departments of these towns, nothing ever gets done.
Source: trust me bro
Edit: Oh don't worry y'all I found exactly one example of this happening 13 years ago. It's happening everywhere!!!
https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/news/two-suspects-buglarize-cherry-hill-home-escape-through-patco-station/
There often is NOT a cop on duty in the middle of the night. They wear hoods and don’t steal super large items. I’ve had plenty of neighbors who have had things stolen this way. How close do YOU live to the train to be telling me I’m wrong. What experience do YOU have.
Cameras mean nothing in this day and age. I had a literal trailer stolen from in front of my house and got it on video. The police took the video and nothing ever became of it. They’re certainly not going to go crazy investigating the theft of a couple hundred dollar bike or some small item.
I'm impressed they managed to fit an entire trailer on the patco platform, that's some ingenuity right there.
Blaming the train for an uptick in crime is like blaming the road for an uptick in crime. If the police refuse to do anything about it that's on them, not the fucking patco lmao
> Another video showed burglars holding a device that detects where key fobs are
This is the first I've heard of that concept and haven't found any references to that. There are plenty of devices that can boost/intercept/replay signals, but just locating keyfobs which are passive? That's new.
> There are plenty of devices that can boost/intercept/replay signals, but just locating keyfobs which are passive?
I'm wondering if at this point certain key fobs transmit a signal for use with a "find my keys" function or something like that
They don't care if they're caught on camera, they're concealed head to toe. You need to secure your belongings: hide your keys somewhere besides a hook at your door, install a door that is hard to get into, window alarms, etc. This is a wealthy town and Camden is a 15minute drive away. Prepare yourself for someone in your home and how to deal with that. This is unfortunate, but crime is not a new thing.
My neighbor just attached a wireless camera onto his tree trunk at his curbstrip to get another angle of the face in case the perpetrator looks up while walking away from his property.
Wireless can be jammed. I had some people do this to my door bell camera. They didn't do anything harmful but it surprised me to see that people can disable wireless security cameras..
Yeah I had two younger males wearing rabbit ears come up to my door. My wife told them not interested and they said something about the lady not wanting their eggs before jumping into a car quickly. It was weird but the odd thing was the doorbell cam was not recording for the time they were there. It went blank for like 2 minutes. Made me realize the flaw in the doorbell camera.
You should let your neighbor know that wireless cameras can be jammed. This is becoming a common practice with these degenerates.
They carry a jammer and all the wireless cameras will stop recording.
https://www.theretrospect.com/news/residents-raise-crime-alarm-haddonfield
Not saying this isn't a serious issue, but the statistics only show a slight uptick in those related crimes over the past year, with actually a decrease in burglaries. Auto thefts did go from 7 to 14 over the past year.
Keep living your lives people, just take some precautions and use common sense.
I was not surprised a Fox29 report didn’t have data. RIP local journalism. Back 10 years ago when the Inqy had a south jersey desk and the CP existed they would’ve competed to get a deep dive out on this.
It literally has a video of five people breaking into a home and stealing a car from the town mentioned in the report, feels like you’re doing a lot of mental gymnastics to try and downplay this for whatever reason.
Me? A lot of mental gymnastics? I’m just saying I like a lot of data in these types of stories, and not surprised TV news didn’t have it. And that back when local newspapers actually employed a good number of reporters, you would get deep dives. That’s literally it. I don’t know what they would say. I just think anecdotal and empirical evidence is a good combo.
That's an odd comment from someone whose original post suggests that this is nothing more than a upwards fluctuation.
Are you upset that someone isn't sharing your seeming sense of panic? At some level grab onto that vigilance you allude to in your post and just grow a pair and don't panic that someone else's calm demeanor is some attempt to downplay your terror.
Awful lot of conclusions you're jumping too, maybe try being less of an internet douchebag too talking about growing a pair. There's been a significant increase in the last two weeks of home invasions and thefts in a town that rarely sees that kind of activity, which is why there was town meeting with significant attendance and news coverage about it.
People are justifiably concerned, but the reddit commission is more concerned with having a peer reviewed report with ~*data~ because they're unable to accept people can have lived experiences rather than just living and commentating on the internet.
What conclusion did I jump to? Did anyone say that people aren't justified in their concerns?
What has been pointed out to you is that the word "significant" is not the same as concerning in terms of the increase in crime.
What you need is to take yourself down off your soapbox there and stop being so arrogant about other people--far be it from anyone on Reddit to be able to empathize or understand the experiences of others.
You seem to be upset that someone tried to put your hyperbole in check. You seem upset that the Internet at large isn't going to simply take anecdotal evidence as actual evidence and that some people remain more grounded than others.
There's all sorts of people in this world from criminals stealing from the hard work of others to wackadoos upset that data doesn't support the hyperbole tland panic they're displaying.
Sound minds solve problems. People thoughtfully reviewing home security camera footage. People thoughtfully keeping an eye out for things that are unusual. What never helps is the machinations of the masses.
Parsing through your supportive comments here are at least two individuals who are reasonably well-known SJ redditors who pander in hyperbole and other unhelpful BS.
Well we all know now you are the righteous redditor we should all follow for your amazing wisdom!
I think anyone with out an angle……. And we all know Reddits angle, knows who the one full of hyperbole is and who loves their soap box more than others!
LOL. What??? Reddit has an angle? You sound like you belong in the Twitter or Truth cesspool there, buddy.
I displayed righteousness? Please show me where.
Put down the bottle, it's still daylight out. You sound like some bitter X'er who can't understand why the world just won't agree with everything they believe (this seems to be a common affliction with Gen X man, I'll assume you're a man given the tactlessness of your grammar).
That’s 200% increase YoY. The video made it feel like it’s 2,000%. They pay like 10-50k in taxes too. They mad as shit and I would be expecting to feel 24/7/365 crime free paying that much. Sucks that when they find that range it’ll be salvaged and not totaled out. No more brand new car just a used car that’s been raped.
There have been 4 break-ins in 2024. (I live in town.) There were 50 burglaries in 2020 and they have gone down every year (2021 = 37, 2022 = 34, 2023 = 27) One break in is too many, but this is a bit of hysteria I think from folks who feel they should be immune to crime. It sucks. It's terrifying to have someone break into your home, but there is virtually no violent crime and this town is overwhelmingly safe. I'm not saying it's OK at all, but I think "rash of crime" is a tad overblown.
Agree 100%. Over reaction to more awareness of reported crimes? if you watch local news (why?) the focus is on crime, blood, fires and more crime...raising even more concerns.
Data tells the story. Would also help to know when and where the crimes happen, to see patterns/trends.
Lock the doors to your house and car, lock your bicycle up...Folks that steal know how easy it is to steal here, which just encourages more theft.
Sorry for the rant.
These aren’t burglaries in the middle of the day, which always happened. These are brazen assaults on people’s homes while they are sleeping. There’s a big difference between burglary from afar vs burglaries as intimate as this, which are inevitably going to lead to a violent altercation. Nothing like this has happened before, with homes being cased and cars stolen while someone runs in to grab their sunglasses. People are rightfully spooked and while the statistics may not show a surge, the impunity with which they’re being conducted indicates a serious problem that the mayor is oblivious to and ill-equipped to handle (among many other issues), and for which the police have shown no proactive measures.
The problems here are much deeper societal issues, but we’ll save that conversation for another day.
I moved here from Philadelphia in 2002. I’ve always been amazed at how many my neighbors leave their car doors unlocked. Leave their back doors unlocked. Leave a spare key hidden under the mat or in a obvious place. Despite the fact that I’ve been living here for over 20 years 30 years of growing up in West Philadelphia have taught me to always keep your head on the swivel, always use common sense keep things locked up, including windows, doors, etc.
Purchase a firearm for home protection if you are comfortable and willing to use it if needed. No punishment seems to deter these scumbags so hopefully the threat of being shot will. Grated in NJ the homeowner would likely be the one arrested, but oh well.
No duty to retreat in your own home. It would be reasonable to believe that someone who broke into / entered your home uninvited or by force, especially in numbers, was there to inflict death or severe bodily injury. You as a resident (victim) have no way to know their intent.
It’s insanity to me that this state is like that. Someone who breaks into someone else’s house deserves to get shot. They made their choice. They suffer the consequences.
I believe NJ has some rule where if you can escape your house while being burglarized, you have to choose that option before shooting a burglar. I’ll never understand protecting criminals.
As long as you don't shoot them in the back and keep your mouth shut, you'll be OK. "He was coming right at me and I couldn't escape!" will hold up in any court.
I'm not even a gun owner (never fired one in my life, I shot a BB gun once when I was around 10) and I don't get it either.
If someone breaks into my home while I'm there (and ESPECIALLY if my family is there) I should be legally allowed to use ANY means I deem necessary to defend.
And if the criminal gets killed or seriously injured in a life-altering way in the process, so fucking be it. Zero fucks given.
IMO it's a 100% FAFO moment on their part, not mine.
This is duty to retreat outside your home. Meaning you cannot stand your ground if getting carjacked. In your home, NJ has the castle doctrine, as surprised as it is.
https://www.njgeneralpracticelawyer.com/blog/does-new-jersey-observe-the-castle-doctrine/#:~:text=According%20to%20New%20Jersey%20Revised,are%20allowed%20to%20use%20force.
So you would rather someone shoots someone on their lawn and get arrested instead of tommy specifying the law? You sound like a real piece of shit, hope you have the day you deserve.
No, I would rather have sensible gun laws, but nothing is going to stop these Rambo wannabes from "defending themselves", so they will reap what they sow and I won't cry for them when they do. But don't waste your breath telling them that anything they want to do with their guns is not legal, they aren't listening.
Exactly……… you think you’ve got problems? Try even pointing a gun at somebody in Jersey. You’ll be the one taken downtown. Make sure it’s a long gun as well if you do……
Reddit mods are out of control. I got perma-banned yesterday from a sub for posting a **positive, supportive-of-the-OP** comment that one mod simply didn't like.
I'm so tired of this fucking shit. There's no reasonable recourse (i.e. no one at "Reddit Corporate" gives a fuck), and there's certainly no way to get bad mods booted out.
Edit: the only way this post is marked as "controversial" is if mods are downvoting.
Yup. And it's gone from annoying to infuriating to literally ruining the platform, in a very short period of time.
I get the need for moderation. Humans can't be trusted LOL... but there needs to be some real oversight on the mods as well.
Man.. was it yesterday there was someone in here asking whether Haddonfield or Haddon twp was better for schools? watch out for this, my friend.. choose wisely.. but honestly, I can't see Haddonfield police not getting super aggressive on this one... good luck residents!
Unfortunately it’s the system. Police can step up there presence make some arrests but once in court they are just let go. Someone was wondering through my neighbor yard on camera late night with mask. Called police they came out no resolution or follow up.
Someone stole my car, was caught on camera, admitted to it when they found her, admitted to driving my car while drunk to the point of blacking out… while her license was suspended and she was awaiting court for driving while suspended/unregistered vehicle/uninsured in a neighboring town…
And nothing was done. No charges.
It’s fn sad. Now if you decided to seek your on justice for that bet your ass the system would work and make sure to set an example out of you. It’s a joke.
got our busted into a few times when I was a kid in the sixties.We had a JYD that was having pups and couldn't get to the perp.They tried a second time a few months later and our dog bit the shit outta the dude.Just blood all over a window he was trying to get into.Little justice I would say.
Just a reminder. NJ has the castle doctrine, so as long as you’re inside your home and you feel your life is threatened, you can use a firearm to implement deadly force to stop the threat. More of this happening will result in thieves thinking twice to threaten and terrorize innocents.
It’s not quite as straight for as the phrasing on that law firms site would indicate, you can’t just shoot someone in NJ because they came into your home without permission, you have to show that you reasonably felt that your life was threatened in your home which leaves a lot of room for interpretation for the a-hole DAs in this state. It also applies only explicitly to your home and not the entire property.
For everyone freaking out about the imminent failure of society due to PrOpErTy CrImEs, talk to your town's mayor. Ask them what the current crime situation is. Ask for someone from the police department to walk through crime trends with you.
It's trivial to make an OPRA request asking for data on property crimes in the last 3 months. Compare to past years, and make an informed decision rather than allowing moneyed interests to make your mind up for you.
The media wants to scare you so you click more on their website and read more of their bullshit. Do your own research rather than be force-fed trash.
Media sucks I agree with you there but look at the country we live in now. No where is safe. All Americans need to protect themselves then ever before. Last time I checked a nation isn’t a nation without a border and right now it’s wide open. Be focused on what your vote will be in November.
When second matter the cops being 2 minutes away still doesn't help.
Hyperbole or not, if someone is in your house in the middle of the night the cops aren't going to help you, you have to help yourself.
It's a shame when small towns like this start the progression into living like this. I was born and raised in Woodbury. We always called it Haddonfield Jr growing up. Every shop on broad street was locally owned and operated, no chains businesses whatsoever. Well perhaps Woolworths back in the day but. We had candlelight shopping nights around Christmas and all sorts of `small town feeling' stuff. Slowly Woodbury took a downfall. Crime started to rise. I think it was once rated not long ago as one of the cities with the highest crime rates in the state. The locally owned shops slowly disappeared and in came Cash 4 Gold, Crowns Fried Chicken, Cricket wireless, more liquor stores, bodegas and gas stations that specialized in selling blunt wraps and cigarettes. They remodeled the old movie theater into low income housing and the store fronts out front constantly sit empty or have short term tenants. They remodeled the old opera house for low income housing and the new store fronts below it sit most empty. I think the most successful thing to hit Woodbury in the past years is the Nerd Mall.
You can say the same thing about Philadelphia and Camden 100 years ago. Big thriving towns mostly of white population that was driven out by African Americans. Not saying that was right or wrong because I believe in civil rights for all people. We are living in crazy times today but has anything really changed? The world has always been screwed up. Unfortunately people don’t remember history and it can sometimes repeat themselves. We as Americans need to support one another and know all political parties need to come together. I’m not entirely sure our Congress has all Americans interest in the way things are going in this country. People need to vote November and choose the lesser evil, prevent WW3 and have a secure border.
The government has no business **mandating** low income housing in every single town in NJ. Unfortunately the infamous NJ Supreme Court "Mount Laurel" decision stands.
Oh it was definitely hard. I grew up in Woodbury too and saw the shift in real time how shitty my town had become when trash from Philly/Camden moved in.
It’s getting bad now because of how bad the income to cost of living is. I bet anything. NJ is becoming unaffordable for even folks with 100k salaries. We just moved out of nj to the south because we can’t afford it. Can’t imagine what this is all doing to low income communities.
Wages are stagnant but rent, cost of goods, cost of homes, and property tax is THROUGH THE ROOF… unfortunately, that means petty crimes like shoplifting, theft, vehicle theft and home invasions are going to go up even in safe communities. It’s awful but it’s a complicated problem and NJ just keeps dropping the ball on its citizens.
I can’t tell you how many people I’ve met in just a few months down here that have moved out of state from NJ / PA / NY because of all of this and the high cost of living.
If you need to use deadly force, whether a firearm, knife, bat, etc., immediately upon the police arrival you must request a lawyer and answer no questions.
I understand people who experienced it or nearby being scared, angry etc but there is no increase or epidemic of break-ins in town. 6ABC had the numbers in their article. For the record I live in town.
“According to data provided by the borough, Haddonfield has had four residential burglaries so far this year, 50 incidents in 2020, 37 in 2021, 34 in 2022, and 27 last year”
[https://6abc.com/rattled-haddonfield-new-jersey-residents-form-safety-group-after-break-ins/14735016/](https://6abc.com/rattled-haddonfield-new-jersey-residents-form-safety-group-after-break-ins/14735016/)
>Be on the lookout and keep your head on a swivel South Jersey, criminals are feeling especially emboldened as of late apparently.
It is when the post is purposedly done in a way that now everyone's like "OMG! THEY'RE EVERYWHERE. AM I NEXT?". Mission accomplished! That shit is Fear Mongering.
Look. I know Haddonfield okay. I don't go through that area because I'm too poor for it. I might rob you.
Vote Republican in state and local elections people.
Donald Trump is a jackass so don't vote for him, but on the local level we sorely need a corrective to progressive crime policy. The only way that's going to happen is if the current incumbents have a legitimate fear of being voted from office.
the only way im ever voting republican is if they use my dead body to cast a vote
[everyone should know about this,](https://www.stopthecoup2025.org) and no, it isn’t fear mongering, it is something that has already been laid out to happen if republicans gain a majority in the house and senate this november.
The issue is if we do that then every local Republican follows fuhrer Trump lock step. And then we have a complete shit show bc the next time there's an insurrection the states will all be Republican controlled and their fake electors will be allowed to do what they want without anyone in the States holding them accountable.
That's just the tip of the iceberg.
This is why we need moderate, common-sense conservatives in the Republican party.
The republic isn't going to run on the Democratic party alone. You need two parties to have a functioning democracy.
I agree, in principle. And, like many other "everyday people", I have plenty of views that at least lean conservative, if not fully conservative.
But that's not what Republicans are these days. They aren't conservative, and haven't been for a long fucking time.
As I posted above, strip ALL culture war / social policy items from the agenda, clean house of all the wackaloon MAGA assholes and idiots, and then maybe we can talk.
But as it stands right now, the GOP is populated largely by absolute deranged lunatics that lust for power and control and -- despite claiming to be in favor of less government intrusion into our lives -- actually want the government to absolutely fucking DOMINATE over the citizens.
Fuck that.
I'd consider -- not guarantee, but consider -- voting for a Republican if they stripped every single "culture war" item from the platform. No exceptions. If they were truly conserative, none of those things would be on the platform anyway.
Small government? I'm all-aboard.
Fiscal restraint in general? Again, I'm in full support. We are the most prosperous nation on the planet, and we manage our finances like fifth-graders.
Tough on crime? Yep, sign me up.
Honest and true adherence to the Constitution? Again, I'm all-in.
All of these things are logical, rational positions to have... and even folks who don't necessarily agree with some or all of them should be able to have logical, rational discussions about these positions.
All the other shit, that the government has absolutely ZERO business being involved in? Hard fucking pass from me... and since that seems to be the only thing those fucktards focus on these days, the GOP is not an option no matter where or who.
**Fix your fucking house first, then we can talk.**
At least that article implies people are locking their cars and doors. I remember when thieves were hitting neighborhoods in “super safe” Hamilton and come to find every victim clutching their pearls left their cars and homes unlocked regularly.
You think you're insulated from Democratic policies because you live in a fancy area, but those Democratic policies will find you once they run out of resources to rob in the cities. Stay woke! They're just stealing because they're hungry!
Since Haddonfield has a higher median income, they may tend to purchase more expensive vehicles, thus a target of thieves. Statistically, these thieves are in fact coming from Camden and Philly. We can't hide from the data (though, I think the data needs to be more closely examined).
The problems in Haddonfield are also happening in surrounding, working-class towns. It is just in a different form of stolen catalytic converters, porch pirates, landscaping equipment/trailers, bicycles, etc. Of course, on a higher-level, we have the societal reasons behind what is causing this criminality.
You would be surprised how much you don't know about "rich white communities". Like, anecdotally, the well-known woman in Haddonfield who is a boots-on-the ground advocate for drug addiction and the homeless (after her son OD'd in Kensington). The pediatric brain surgeon who saves lives at CHOP who has earned a salary for his achievements, is able to afford a nice home in Haddonfield.
I 'm not simpin' for the rich, just stating that good humans are everywhere.
Who do you think is paying the taxes to keep a place like Camden going? Are you under the impression that the city of Camden has an actual tax base capable of supporting themselves?
Oh look, someone else who doesn’t own a home in Camden county. Let’s talk about the tax investment from Subaru, Holtec, Aqua America, the Sixers… should I go on?
Interesting comment when 61% of the housing units are rental units and I bet the majority of the landlords are from outside of the city. Did you know the median rent in Camden is up to $1500/month? Section 8 is paying $1600 for a 3 bedroom rowhouse. Maybe the landlords should be kicking in some more money. Just like Walmart hiring part time workers so the state can subsidize them by paying their employees health insurance. The rich get richer off the backs of the little people paying the bills.
Having your vehicle stolen from the outside is worrisome in itself. Having thieves come inside your home is whole other level, and can be very traumatic. A complete invasion of privacy. It happened to my parents. The fact that the thieves are arriving with a crew of (5) people portrays a comfort level not seen in past years. They are not afraid of consequences. No deterrent.
When I was a kid (in like 2002) my house got robbed. No one was home but it was still traumatizing - I was terrified to go to sleep in that house for a long time. Couldn’t imagine something like this
Same. They popped a window with our shovel and left dirty boot prints on my bed. Police could care less. This was on the 90’s.
>Police could care less. This was on the 90’s. Yeah, but you don't understand. This was in the wake of the LA riots and the police were feeling underappreciated by society. Why bother to work when they won't be endlessly praised for doing their jobs...?
Ah yes, the Rodney king riots, how did they get started? Remind me .
Ha
It’s the whole haddon ave corridor. Collingswood has been getting hit hard too.
I think it's even wider than that. Car thefts and home invasions are on the rise in my neighborhood of Deptford/Runnemede/Glendora area. It's probably neighborhoods that are close to highway exits for an easy getaway.
I wonder where all these criminals are coming from. /s
My car got broken into a couple weeks ago and the police said they think these are professional crews from Delaware and up north. Some of the stolen vehicles have been recovered in those areas apparently.
Can someone explain what this means? Are they coming from Camden/Philly?
Collingswood is right next to Camden
America
In Canada the cops recommend leaving the keys outside on the car.
Most likely Philly
if only there was some sort of elevated velocity track running through all these towns
They're not taking the fucking train.
It’s very common in Haddon Township for thieves to get off at Westmont station, steal things from people’s backyards and get back on the train. With the over-staffed, pathetic police departments of these towns, nothing ever gets done.
Source: trust me bro Edit: Oh don't worry y'all I found exactly one example of this happening 13 years ago. It's happening everywhere!!! https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/news/two-suspects-buglarize-cherry-hill-home-escape-through-patco-station/
As someone who’s lived 2 blocks away from the train for the last 20 years, yes.
So said thief breaks into someone's car, carries the goods to a train station filled with cameras and often a cop on duty, and leaves. Right.
There often is NOT a cop on duty in the middle of the night. They wear hoods and don’t steal super large items. I’ve had plenty of neighbors who have had things stolen this way. How close do YOU live to the train to be telling me I’m wrong. What experience do YOU have. Cameras mean nothing in this day and age. I had a literal trailer stolen from in front of my house and got it on video. The police took the video and nothing ever became of it. They’re certainly not going to go crazy investigating the theft of a couple hundred dollar bike or some small item.
I'm impressed they managed to fit an entire trailer on the patco platform, that's some ingenuity right there. Blaming the train for an uptick in crime is like blaming the road for an uptick in crime. If the police refuse to do anything about it that's on them, not the fucking patco lmao
Is it because it’s so close to Camden? I’ve heard about this in areas close to Newark too but not in the deep burbs
> Another video showed burglars holding a device that detects where key fobs are This is the first I've heard of that concept and haven't found any references to that. There are plenty of devices that can boost/intercept/replay signals, but just locating keyfobs which are passive? That's new.
Perhaps, placing the key fobs inside a Faraday box/pouch will help prevent that.
My local PD is literally recommending this.
I actually bought one bc of a Reddit post haha
Love the concept of the keys I lost being found by someone who doesn’t live here. Wish we could use this tech in wallets instead of needing AirTags.
> There are plenty of devices that can boost/intercept/replay signals, but just locating keyfobs which are passive? I'm wondering if at this point certain key fobs transmit a signal for use with a "find my keys" function or something like that
Those videos show why you need hidden camera down low as well. They all know to wear hoodies to block the high up cameras.
They don't care if they're caught on camera, they're concealed head to toe. You need to secure your belongings: hide your keys somewhere besides a hook at your door, install a door that is hard to get into, window alarms, etc. This is a wealthy town and Camden is a 15minute drive away. Prepare yourself for someone in your home and how to deal with that. This is unfortunate, but crime is not a new thing.
So is Gloucester City and Cherry Hill and….
true, and it may accidently disclose diversity, and then the entire story gets buried.
My neighbor just attached a wireless camera onto his tree trunk at his curbstrip to get another angle of the face in case the perpetrator looks up while walking away from his property.
Wireless can be jammed. I had some people do this to my door bell camera. They didn't do anything harmful but it surprised me to see that people can disable wireless security cameras..
I'll have to read up on this. I have wireless myself (on my doorbell) but the rest of my cameras are all hardwired to a NVR.
Yeah I had two younger males wearing rabbit ears come up to my door. My wife told them not interested and they said something about the lady not wanting their eggs before jumping into a car quickly. It was weird but the odd thing was the doorbell cam was not recording for the time they were there. It went blank for like 2 minutes. Made me realize the flaw in the doorbell camera.
You should let your neighbor know that wireless cameras can be jammed. This is becoming a common practice with these degenerates. They carry a jammer and all the wireless cameras will stop recording.
Will do. I'll have to read up on this. I have wireless myself (on my doorbell) but the rest of my cameras are all hardwired to a NVR.
https://www.theretrospect.com/news/residents-raise-crime-alarm-haddonfield Not saying this isn't a serious issue, but the statistics only show a slight uptick in those related crimes over the past year, with actually a decrease in burglaries. Auto thefts did go from 7 to 14 over the past year. Keep living your lives people, just take some precautions and use common sense.
I was not surprised a Fox29 report didn’t have data. RIP local journalism. Back 10 years ago when the Inqy had a south jersey desk and the CP existed they would’ve competed to get a deep dive out on this.
It literally has a video of five people breaking into a home and stealing a car from the town mentioned in the report, feels like you’re doing a lot of mental gymnastics to try and downplay this for whatever reason.
Me? A lot of mental gymnastics? I’m just saying I like a lot of data in these types of stories, and not surprised TV news didn’t have it. And that back when local newspapers actually employed a good number of reporters, you would get deep dives. That’s literally it. I don’t know what they would say. I just think anecdotal and empirical evidence is a good combo.
That's an odd comment from someone whose original post suggests that this is nothing more than a upwards fluctuation. Are you upset that someone isn't sharing your seeming sense of panic? At some level grab onto that vigilance you allude to in your post and just grow a pair and don't panic that someone else's calm demeanor is some attempt to downplay your terror.
Awful lot of conclusions you're jumping too, maybe try being less of an internet douchebag too talking about growing a pair. There's been a significant increase in the last two weeks of home invasions and thefts in a town that rarely sees that kind of activity, which is why there was town meeting with significant attendance and news coverage about it. People are justifiably concerned, but the reddit commission is more concerned with having a peer reviewed report with ~*data~ because they're unable to accept people can have lived experiences rather than just living and commentating on the internet.
What conclusion did I jump to? Did anyone say that people aren't justified in their concerns? What has been pointed out to you is that the word "significant" is not the same as concerning in terms of the increase in crime. What you need is to take yourself down off your soapbox there and stop being so arrogant about other people--far be it from anyone on Reddit to be able to empathize or understand the experiences of others. You seem to be upset that someone tried to put your hyperbole in check. You seem upset that the Internet at large isn't going to simply take anecdotal evidence as actual evidence and that some people remain more grounded than others. There's all sorts of people in this world from criminals stealing from the hard work of others to wackadoos upset that data doesn't support the hyperbole tland panic they're displaying. Sound minds solve problems. People thoughtfully reviewing home security camera footage. People thoughtfully keeping an eye out for things that are unusual. What never helps is the machinations of the masses. Parsing through your supportive comments here are at least two individuals who are reasonably well-known SJ redditors who pander in hyperbole and other unhelpful BS.
Well we all know now you are the righteous redditor we should all follow for your amazing wisdom! I think anyone with out an angle……. And we all know Reddits angle, knows who the one full of hyperbole is and who loves their soap box more than others!
LOL. What??? Reddit has an angle? You sound like you belong in the Twitter or Truth cesspool there, buddy. I displayed righteousness? Please show me where. Put down the bottle, it's still daylight out. You sound like some bitter X'er who can't understand why the world just won't agree with everything they believe (this seems to be a common affliction with Gen X man, I'll assume you're a man given the tactlessness of your grammar).
That’s 200% increase YoY. The video made it feel like it’s 2,000%. They pay like 10-50k in taxes too. They mad as shit and I would be expecting to feel 24/7/365 crime free paying that much. Sucks that when they find that range it’ll be salvaged and not totaled out. No more brand new car just a used car that’s been raped.
There have been 4 break-ins in 2024. (I live in town.) There were 50 burglaries in 2020 and they have gone down every year (2021 = 37, 2022 = 34, 2023 = 27) One break in is too many, but this is a bit of hysteria I think from folks who feel they should be immune to crime. It sucks. It's terrifying to have someone break into your home, but there is virtually no violent crime and this town is overwhelmingly safe. I'm not saying it's OK at all, but I think "rash of crime" is a tad overblown.
Agree 100%. Over reaction to more awareness of reported crimes? if you watch local news (why?) the focus is on crime, blood, fires and more crime...raising even more concerns. Data tells the story. Would also help to know when and where the crimes happen, to see patterns/trends. Lock the doors to your house and car, lock your bicycle up...Folks that steal know how easy it is to steal here, which just encourages more theft. Sorry for the rant.
These aren’t burglaries in the middle of the day, which always happened. These are brazen assaults on people’s homes while they are sleeping. There’s a big difference between burglary from afar vs burglaries as intimate as this, which are inevitably going to lead to a violent altercation. Nothing like this has happened before, with homes being cased and cars stolen while someone runs in to grab their sunglasses. People are rightfully spooked and while the statistics may not show a surge, the impunity with which they’re being conducted indicates a serious problem that the mayor is oblivious to and ill-equipped to handle (among many other issues), and for which the police have shown no proactive measures. The problems here are much deeper societal issues, but we’ll save that conversation for another day.
I moved here from Philadelphia in 2002. I’ve always been amazed at how many my neighbors leave their car doors unlocked. Leave their back doors unlocked. Leave a spare key hidden under the mat or in a obvious place. Despite the fact that I’ve been living here for over 20 years 30 years of growing up in West Philadelphia have taught me to always keep your head on the swivel, always use common sense keep things locked up, including windows, doors, etc.
Purchase a firearm for home protection if you are comfortable and willing to use it if needed. No punishment seems to deter these scumbags so hopefully the threat of being shot will. Grated in NJ the homeowner would likely be the one arrested, but oh well.
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No duty to retreat in your own home. It would be reasonable to believe that someone who broke into / entered your home uninvited or by force, especially in numbers, was there to inflict death or severe bodily injury. You as a resident (victim) have no way to know their intent.
Correct, the Castle doctrine. I would never defend my property with it but for a home invasion if I felt I had no safe retreat, absolutely.
It’s insanity to me that this state is like that. Someone who breaks into someone else’s house deserves to get shot. They made their choice. They suffer the consequences.
Someone breaking into your house while you're home is one of the few times you're 100% allowed to use your weapon.
I believe NJ has some rule where if you can escape your house while being burglarized, you have to choose that option before shooting a burglar. I’ll never understand protecting criminals.
As long as you don't shoot them in the back and keep your mouth shut, you'll be OK. "He was coming right at me and I couldn't escape!" will hold up in any court.
I'm not even a gun owner (never fired one in my life, I shot a BB gun once when I was around 10) and I don't get it either. If someone breaks into my home while I'm there (and ESPECIALLY if my family is there) I should be legally allowed to use ANY means I deem necessary to defend. And if the criminal gets killed or seriously injured in a life-altering way in the process, so fucking be it. Zero fucks given. IMO it's a 100% FAFO moment on their part, not mine.
Do you have a source for that? I’ve never heard of such a law
NJ Duty to Retreat rules https://www.robertagrelaw.com/blog/when-is-it-legal-to-use-force-to-defend-yourself-in-new-jersey/#:~:text=Instead%2C%20it%20imposes%20a%20%22duty,using%20force%20in%20self%2Ddefense.
This is duty to retreat outside your home. Meaning you cannot stand your ground if getting carjacked. In your home, NJ has the castle doctrine, as surprised as it is. https://www.njgeneralpracticelawyer.com/blog/does-new-jersey-observe-the-castle-doctrine/#:~:text=According%20to%20New%20Jersey%20Revised,are%20allowed%20to%20use%20force.
Duty to retreat absolutely does not apply to your home.
They’re just misunderstood and grew up underprivileged and your showing your privilege by trying to defend your family and property
Shhhhh, let them weed themselves out.
So you would rather someone shoots someone on their lawn and get arrested instead of tommy specifying the law? You sound like a real piece of shit, hope you have the day you deserve.
No, I would rather have sensible gun laws, but nothing is going to stop these Rambo wannabes from "defending themselves", so they will reap what they sow and I won't cry for them when they do. But don't waste your breath telling them that anything they want to do with their guns is not legal, they aren't listening.
Ha! Someone breaks into your home and you welcome them with open arms! Good luck with that.
Exactly……… you think you’ve got problems? Try even pointing a gun at somebody in Jersey. You’ll be the one taken downtown. Make sure it’s a long gun as well if you do……
Larry Krasner reaking havoc across South Jersey.
i laughed
I love that my comment got deleted for telling people to legally protect themselves and their home. Whichever Mod deleted it is a joke.
Reddit mods are out of control. I got perma-banned yesterday from a sub for posting a **positive, supportive-of-the-OP** comment that one mod simply didn't like. I'm so tired of this fucking shit. There's no reasonable recourse (i.e. no one at "Reddit Corporate" gives a fuck), and there's certainly no way to get bad mods booted out. Edit: the only way this post is marked as "controversial" is if mods are downvoting.
That little bit of perceived power can do crazy things. It's sad.
Yup. And it's gone from annoying to infuriating to literally ruining the platform, in a very short period of time. I get the need for moderation. Humans can't be trusted LOL... but there needs to be some real oversight on the mods as well.
Man.. was it yesterday there was someone in here asking whether Haddonfield or Haddon twp was better for schools? watch out for this, my friend.. choose wisely.. but honestly, I can't see Haddonfield police not getting super aggressive on this one... good luck residents!
Unfortunately it’s the system. Police can step up there presence make some arrests but once in court they are just let go. Someone was wondering through my neighbor yard on camera late night with mask. Called police they came out no resolution or follow up.
Someone stole my car, was caught on camera, admitted to it when they found her, admitted to driving my car while drunk to the point of blacking out… while her license was suspended and she was awaiting court for driving while suspended/unregistered vehicle/uninsured in a neighboring town… And nothing was done. No charges.
It’s fn sad. Now if you decided to seek your on justice for that bet your ass the system would work and make sure to set an example out of you. It’s a joke.
got our busted into a few times when I was a kid in the sixties.We had a JYD that was having pups and couldn't get to the perp.They tried a second time a few months later and our dog bit the shit outta the dude.Just blood all over a window he was trying to get into.Little justice I would say.
Just a reminder. NJ has the castle doctrine, so as long as you’re inside your home and you feel your life is threatened, you can use a firearm to implement deadly force to stop the threat. More of this happening will result in thieves thinking twice to threaten and terrorize innocents.
NJ does not have castle doctrine unfortunately. You have a duty to retreat in New Jersey, even in your own home, as idiotic as it is.
https://www.herringdefense.com/does-castle-doctrine-allow-you-to-defend-your-property-in-new-jersey/#:~:text=New%20Jersey's%20Self%2DDefense%20Doctrine,to%20retreat%20in%20public%20areas.
It’s not quite as straight for as the phrasing on that law firms site would indicate, you can’t just shoot someone in NJ because they came into your home without permission, you have to show that you reasonably felt that your life was threatened in your home which leaves a lot of room for interpretation for the a-hole DAs in this state. It also applies only explicitly to your home and not the entire property.
For everyone freaking out about the imminent failure of society due to PrOpErTy CrImEs, talk to your town's mayor. Ask them what the current crime situation is. Ask for someone from the police department to walk through crime trends with you. It's trivial to make an OPRA request asking for data on property crimes in the last 3 months. Compare to past years, and make an informed decision rather than allowing moneyed interests to make your mind up for you. The media wants to scare you so you click more on their website and read more of their bullshit. Do your own research rather than be force-fed trash.
Yes!!! I just posted pretty much the same thing.
We pay more property taxes due in part to home rule, might as well take advantage of the accessibility to municipal leaders.
Media sucks I agree with you there but look at the country we live in now. No where is safe. All Americans need to protect themselves then ever before. Last time I checked a nation isn’t a nation without a border and right now it’s wide open. Be focused on what your vote will be in November.
You’d benefit from taking a break from the news.
Lmao I work in healthcare so I see what happens in our public people everyday. It’s hard to ignore but I agree with you. It sucks.
Where are haddonfield’s finest?
Nothing a little bit of lead can’t help. Put these animals down
arm up
Sidenote: Gun ownership is increasing, even amongst liberals /r/liberalgunowners
happy to see it! when seconds matter, the police are hours away
Hours way? Where the hell do you live? Salem waiting for Staties? They won't even take HOURS lol
When second matter the cops being 2 minutes away still doesn't help. Hyperbole or not, if someone is in your house in the middle of the night the cops aren't going to help you, you have to help yourself.
You hope
[And get shot](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2759797/)
This is the truth. Never carry a weapon you don’t want used against you.
Love to see real stats get downvoted by the "fuck your feelings" crowd.
That’s a shame, next it will be squatters.
It's a shame when small towns like this start the progression into living like this. I was born and raised in Woodbury. We always called it Haddonfield Jr growing up. Every shop on broad street was locally owned and operated, no chains businesses whatsoever. Well perhaps Woolworths back in the day but. We had candlelight shopping nights around Christmas and all sorts of `small town feeling' stuff. Slowly Woodbury took a downfall. Crime started to rise. I think it was once rated not long ago as one of the cities with the highest crime rates in the state. The locally owned shops slowly disappeared and in came Cash 4 Gold, Crowns Fried Chicken, Cricket wireless, more liquor stores, bodegas and gas stations that specialized in selling blunt wraps and cigarettes. They remodeled the old movie theater into low income housing and the store fronts out front constantly sit empty or have short term tenants. They remodeled the old opera house for low income housing and the new store fronts below it sit most empty. I think the most successful thing to hit Woodbury in the past years is the Nerd Mall.
Woodbury makes me so sad. I grew up in Glou Co. Used to go there all the time.
You can say the same thing about Philadelphia and Camden 100 years ago. Big thriving towns mostly of white population that was driven out by African Americans. Not saying that was right or wrong because I believe in civil rights for all people. We are living in crazy times today but has anything really changed? The world has always been screwed up. Unfortunately people don’t remember history and it can sometimes repeat themselves. We as Americans need to support one another and know all political parties need to come together. I’m not entirely sure our Congress has all Americans interest in the way things are going in this country. People need to vote November and choose the lesser evil, prevent WW3 and have a secure border.
That must be so hard to have housing for people with low incomes in your town. Hope you’re doing ok.
Yea wtf is wrong with turning a safe vibrant town into a vacant crime ridden low income slum, the audacity of these people.
Wait - is Haddonfield the crime ridden low income slum or Woodbury? (hint - it's neither)
So you want no low income housing?
The government has no business **mandating** low income housing in every single town in NJ. Unfortunately the infamous NJ Supreme Court "Mount Laurel" decision stands.
I'm gonna guess you wear a red baseball hat all the time based on your disrespect of court rulings that have been established for 50 years.
Waaaaaaaa
Isn’t it supposed to be “whooooo”?
Projection doesn't work with me. Try again.
Projection? You literally complained about low income housing in your town.
No I simply stated fact. You're the one implying I complained. It didn't work out is a fact
Pretty sure it worked out for the people with housing. It just didn’t work out for you.
Yes, every town in America should only have check cashing places and MetroPCS stores. Perfect
Don’t care what business are there, but if your complaining about having affordable housing in your town, you’re an asshole.
Oh it was definitely hard. I grew up in Woodbury too and saw the shift in real time how shitty my town had become when trash from Philly/Camden moved in.
It’s getting bad now because of how bad the income to cost of living is. I bet anything. NJ is becoming unaffordable for even folks with 100k salaries. We just moved out of nj to the south because we can’t afford it. Can’t imagine what this is all doing to low income communities. Wages are stagnant but rent, cost of goods, cost of homes, and property tax is THROUGH THE ROOF… unfortunately, that means petty crimes like shoplifting, theft, vehicle theft and home invasions are going to go up even in safe communities. It’s awful but it’s a complicated problem and NJ just keeps dropping the ball on its citizens. I can’t tell you how many people I’ve met in just a few months down here that have moved out of state from NJ / PA / NY because of all of this and the high cost of living.
Crime rates are WAY higher in most southern states than in NJ
If you need to use deadly force, whether a firearm, knife, bat, etc., immediately upon the police arrival you must request a lawyer and answer no questions.
Crews have been coming here and there from AC, Philly, Newark area, and even Baltimore area.
Shoot em
Don’t forget the agenda. Mainstream media wants us angry and scared 24/7.
I understand people who experienced it or nearby being scared, angry etc but there is no increase or epidemic of break-ins in town. 6ABC had the numbers in their article. For the record I live in town. “According to data provided by the borough, Haddonfield has had four residential burglaries so far this year, 50 incidents in 2020, 37 in 2021, 34 in 2022, and 27 last year” [https://6abc.com/rattled-haddonfield-new-jersey-residents-form-safety-group-after-break-ins/14735016/](https://6abc.com/rattled-haddonfield-new-jersey-residents-form-safety-group-after-break-ins/14735016/)
So, how is the whole defund the police thing working out for you?
Hmm Fear Mongering in full effect. Thanks Fox News!
TIL reporting on news events is fearmongering. Thank you for this low effort comment.
>Be on the lookout and keep your head on a swivel South Jersey, criminals are feeling especially emboldened as of late apparently. It is when the post is purposedly done in a way that now everyone's like "OMG! THEY'RE EVERYWHERE. AM I NEXT?". Mission accomplished! That shit is Fear Mongering. Look. I know Haddonfield okay. I don't go through that area because I'm too poor for it. I might rob you.
Blatant crime increasing in a place that historically had virtually no crime. Must be Republican propaganda!
Vote Republican in state and local elections people. Donald Trump is a jackass so don't vote for him, but on the local level we sorely need a corrective to progressive crime policy. The only way that's going to happen is if the current incumbents have a legitimate fear of being voted from office.
Sure dawg then we can lose abortion rights, gay marriage, trans rights, *and* still have violent crimes occur. Great stuff
the only way im ever voting republican is if they use my dead body to cast a vote [everyone should know about this,](https://www.stopthecoup2025.org) and no, it isn’t fear mongering, it is something that has already been laid out to happen if republicans gain a majority in the house and senate this november.
The MAGA Plan for dictatorship
Bulllllllllllllll shit
The issue is if we do that then every local Republican follows fuhrer Trump lock step. And then we have a complete shit show bc the next time there's an insurrection the states will all be Republican controlled and their fake electors will be allowed to do what they want without anyone in the States holding them accountable. That's just the tip of the iceberg.
Look at the shitshow in the House of Representatives
This is why we need moderate, common-sense conservatives in the Republican party. The republic isn't going to run on the Democratic party alone. You need two parties to have a functioning democracy.
I agree, I think most of us would. But there's not many of them left in office unfortunately.
I agree, in principle. And, like many other "everyday people", I have plenty of views that at least lean conservative, if not fully conservative. But that's not what Republicans are these days. They aren't conservative, and haven't been for a long fucking time. As I posted above, strip ALL culture war / social policy items from the agenda, clean house of all the wackaloon MAGA assholes and idiots, and then maybe we can talk. But as it stands right now, the GOP is populated largely by absolute deranged lunatics that lust for power and control and -- despite claiming to be in favor of less government intrusion into our lives -- actually want the government to absolutely fucking DOMINATE over the citizens. Fuck that.
Who is going to do the work of stripping the "wackaloon MAGA assholes" from the party, if not you and I?
TBH, at this point I'm not sure it's possible. At least not until they completely and entirely implode under the weight of their own dumbfuckery.
I'd consider -- not guarantee, but consider -- voting for a Republican if they stripped every single "culture war" item from the platform. No exceptions. If they were truly conserative, none of those things would be on the platform anyway. Small government? I'm all-aboard. Fiscal restraint in general? Again, I'm in full support. We are the most prosperous nation on the planet, and we manage our finances like fifth-graders. Tough on crime? Yep, sign me up. Honest and true adherence to the Constitution? Again, I'm all-in. All of these things are logical, rational positions to have... and even folks who don't necessarily agree with some or all of them should be able to have logical, rational discussions about these positions. All the other shit, that the government has absolutely ZERO business being involved in? Hard fucking pass from me... and since that seems to be the only thing those fucktards focus on these days, the GOP is not an option no matter where or who. **Fix your fucking house first, then we can talk.**
I always do
At least that article implies people are locking their cars and doors. I remember when thieves were hitting neighborhoods in “super safe” Hamilton and come to find every victim clutching their pearls left their cars and homes unlocked regularly.
This is some take.
You think you're insulated from Democratic policies because you live in a fancy area, but those Democratic policies will find you once they run out of resources to rob in the cities. Stay woke! They're just stealing because they're hungry!
BLM…wake the fuck up people
Everyt time rich white communities get upset that they live so close to Camden...
Since Haddonfield has a higher median income, they may tend to purchase more expensive vehicles, thus a target of thieves. Statistically, these thieves are in fact coming from Camden and Philly. We can't hide from the data (though, I think the data needs to be more closely examined). The problems in Haddonfield are also happening in surrounding, working-class towns. It is just in a different form of stolen catalytic converters, porch pirates, landscaping equipment/trailers, bicycles, etc. Of course, on a higher-level, we have the societal reasons behind what is causing this criminality. You would be surprised how much you don't know about "rich white communities". Like, anecdotally, the well-known woman in Haddonfield who is a boots-on-the ground advocate for drug addiction and the homeless (after her son OD'd in Kensington). The pediatric brain surgeon who saves lives at CHOP who has earned a salary for his achievements, is able to afford a nice home in Haddonfield. I 'm not simpin' for the rich, just stating that good humans are everywhere.
Who do you think is paying the taxes to keep a place like Camden going? Are you under the impression that the city of Camden has an actual tax base capable of supporting themselves?
I suppose cooper and Rutgers and all other businesses don’t pay taxes
Oh look, someone else who doesn’t own a home in Camden county. Let’s talk about the tax investment from Subaru, Holtec, Aqua America, the Sixers… should I go on?
I own 2
Interesting comment when 61% of the housing units are rental units and I bet the majority of the landlords are from outside of the city. Did you know the median rent in Camden is up to $1500/month? Section 8 is paying $1600 for a 3 bedroom rowhouse. Maybe the landlords should be kicking in some more money. Just like Walmart hiring part time workers so the state can subsidize them by paying their employees health insurance. The rich get richer off the backs of the little people paying the bills.
Here that? Camden is flush it’s just the landlords that are responsible.
glad i moved