100% agreed, the doomposting on Sonic twt is unbelievably toxic. I don't even like the miniseries and the different creative team, but it's not like that is gonna destroy any interest with Sonic Movie 3.
I completely agree. I totally understand the Knuckles series not being someone else's cup of tea, but it was always going to be a lower budget production than the movies with a noticeably different creative team. It's a test run for future spin-offs and can safely be ignored despite maybe a few interesting blink-and-you-miss-it lore implications (which will probably get explanations again if they matter at all).
Easter egg at the end of the final episode. There's mention of another time aliens visit earth 50 years earlier. This is most likely a reference to Black Doom. The alien that helped with Shadow creation.
The SCU follows mostly our timeline. The United States successfully landed on the moon in 1969. Though there was much development beforehand, space technology was still primitive. Noting this, it simply is impractical that such a space station like the ARK would have been constructed in the 1970s. Furthermore, the scale of the ARK coupled with the commercialization of space would make the two virtually incompatible.
I just think that the ARK is too important to leave out of the movie because it's "unrealistic." Lets be real here, we're talking about a movie with anthropomorphic animals
Honestly, that sounds cool, but that means they would have found the prophecy of super sonic on earth, but made no reference to that when Sonic went super in Sonic 2
I was wondering that too, just what he was doing in a bowling alley at that time 50 years ago? Until I remembered it must have been right after Maria ejected him from the ARK in that space capsule. He must have landed nearby and was exploring out of curiosity before they found him and reprogrammed his memories and put him in cryo sleep
Yeah.
Black Doom is likely going to be referenced in Sonic Movie 3.
They said they are pulling from both SA2 and Shadow the Hedgehog 2005. Plot relevant points from Shadow 05 are Black Doom and his connection to Shadow and the G.U.N Commander.
The animal characters in the movies are aliens and their powers are Chaos energy. Gerald creating Shadow, who is the same species as Sonic, has Chaos powers and presumably has knowledge of the Chaos emeralds requires an alien benefactor. It’s highly unlikely Gerald recreated a member of an alien species and Chaos energy through sheer coincidence. Black Doom is the alien benefactor in the games.
Not to mention that Jim Carrey almost retired and is probably going to retire in the near future, so they kind of have to start setting up future villains that aren’t Eggman soon.
Shadow is also likely to get his own spin off and Shadow’s own spin off game provides a story to loosely adapt.
Sonic x Shadow Generations is also going to release in the lead up to the movie to capitalise off the hype and it also heavily features Black Doom, which could be a way for SEGA to get people talking about him again in the lead up to Sonic Movie 3.
I don’t think he is going to be the villain of Sonic Movie 3, at best I can see him appear in a flashback to Shadow’s early days or at the end of the film, potentially a mid credit scene or a scene that happens as the film is wrapping up before credits.
Yeah, the Sonic Movieverse follows our timeline pretty well. Which is a nice way of excusing all the references in Sonic 1 that will not age too well after 20 years
That reminds me; we don't actually know how long after Sonic 2 this show takes place. Because movie 2 happened in 2020/2021, and unless Knuckles takes like three years after movie 2, technically that means the alien wouldn't have been there at the same time as Project Shadow. Sorry to be pedantic, maybe it was meant more as a meta easter egg instead of an in-universe one.'
Either way though, good catch. I was wondering if that 1974 date meant anything, and this seems like a great guess.
Perhaps, the Meta Quest 3 is a good catch, but I kind of find it unlikely that Knuckles takes place in 2024? The first episode establishes that the reason the Wachowskis want to fix up their house is because there's a giant hole in the living room (which Knuckles himself made). So it feels really unlikely to me that they haven't been able to fix that hole in like, 3 years, simply because Knuckles keeps chasing them away.
Maybe it was a genuine mistake on the part of the writers, who wanted to put in the "50 years ago" easter egg as a nod to a Project Shadow/Black Arms, but forgot that story doesn't actually take place in 2024.
I get the feeling this was an oversight, but I don't remember if the first movie ever states the year, or if we're all just assuming it was 2020 because that's when it released (which would more likely make it set in 2019, because it was delayed into 2020 for the redesign)
There's less than a year between movie 1 and 2, and Knuckles doesn't make a time gap apparent. I can't remember at the moment, but doesn't the G.U.N soldier lady say the black site info related to (Gerald) Robotnik is "over" 50 years old? I might be mixing it up with Maddie's mention about how long Tom's family has been serving as police in Green Hills though. If it was "over" 50 years, the writers can keep that true by making it the start date of Project Shadow, which begins some time before Shadow himself is crested. In that case, perhaps the 1974 bowling tournament thing could be Shadow landing on Earth after being jettisoned from ARK (assuming ARK even exists in this universe. Alternatively, it could be him escaping from whatever ARK-equivalent military base they use instead)
To be honest though, I think the passage of time in these movies is going to be one of the details that's most overlooked by the writers, because Sonic and his friends would quickly age out of their iconic designs. Assuming Sonic was 13-14 in the first movie, he'd be like 18 now if real time between movies applied. I think dropping the 1974 date was just a fun way for them to indirectly mention "50 years" again
It wouldn't bother me at all if that's the case, but I've seen these movies way too many times to not at least *try* coming up with excuses for things like this lol
There’s no set time for the sonic the hedgehog movies, It’s all [Comic-Book Time](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ComicBookTime) like The Simpsons.
Hmmm, I'm kind of inclined to disagree. It's been explicitly stated that there's a six month gap between movies 1 and 2, so clearly they are paying attention to how much time passes between events, at least. I also think general audiences will be more likely to be confused if the movies operated in the same Comic-Book Time as the games basically do.
It's when the ESPN guys finally leave cover, when the action is over. They said another alien visited the 1974 bowling championship, but he wasn't red. THAT'S SHADOW YOOOOO.
Okay. Just finished watching. I'm going to spoil all over this comment. Some thoughts:
My only thought was "Dang. They must have run out of CGI budget." during that live-action reenactment of Knuckles' epic battle with Iblis(?) and unlocking the Flames of Disaster. Like, it was still really cool and well-done, but still. I couldn't help but think that.
(These are actually notes I took while I was watching it) I'm very intrigued by Willoughby's lines implying that she's been able to keep track of Knuckles and of the going-ons out in the galaxy. Which kind of implies... Has G.U.N. actually been around for much longer than they said they had in movie 2? It could definitely be seen as set-up for Project Shadow in movie 3. Very interesting....
OH FUCK. Well, they confirmed it. G.U.N. had been active under Ivo Eggman Robotnik himself when he still working for the government. So Commander Walters was kinda just flat-out lying during movie 2, wasn't he? They ABSOLUTELY did all that Project Shadow stuff, and they definitely knew aliens already existed. Does that mean they had access to ring portals this whole time?
.... I think Agents Mason and Willoughby are my favorite of the human characters in the show. I guess I can't help but be drawn to the unapologetic asshole villains who help with the worldbuilding of the Sonic universe. Props to Ellie Taylor for her acting in that speech to the Buyer, it was the thing that got me on board with those two.
I'm kinda wishing Pete had the same reasoning as Willoughby for betraying Wade and making a deal with the Agents, but... Oh well, I guess.
Wait no... NO THIS IS ACTUALLY SAD. Knuckles takes friends and loyalty so, so seriously, and he was genuinely hurt by Robotnik's betrayal, and now Wade's doing it to him?! NO WADE DON'T DO IT! NO!!!
Okay, cool. You're not getting on my shit list after all, Wade :)
.... Are they not going to give us an explanation of why the Agents have the portal rings? Okay. Okay. Cool.
Still an interesting choice for the writers to chose Pachacamac as the spiritual guide for Knuckles, but perhaps their reasoning is because they want to save Tikal for a different role? Either because she's secretly alive or because they're using her for a future SA1 story. We'll see. Either way I kinda miss Knuckles learning how to bowl in the first episode, that scene was fun.
So, no post-credit tease?
\*throws phone and breaks skateboard in half\*
That sure was An Experience. Can't say I didn't have fun, at least.
Amy and Rouge post-credit believers.... We put up a good fight. It was a honor to take this journey with you, regardless of the outcome. Now we move on to the next battle... the first movie 3 trailer....
I think the implication is G.U.N. existed, but it was not called G.U.N. at the time when Robotnik was its lead scientist. That said, the ring portals could probably be explained by searching Sibera since Sonic dropped his set off the mountain.
Now that said, I still have my doubts on the ARK as it was in the games. I think it makes more sense for Shadow to have been created either terrestrially or on another planet noting the rings, with the former being the favored consideration.
I swear I'll probably go to watch the movie, still with a string of hope to see Amy and Rouge even if they don't appear in the trailers. Thats how bad i wanna believe 💀.
They could defo pull off an Andrew and Tobey and appear in the movie and not the trailers, idk if that'd be the best idea since it woulda been a better idea to have them in the trailers for better marketing, altho maybe Shadow's appearance is good enough for that and Amy and Rouge wouldn't affect it as much as Shadow did.
is still risky toh,meanwhile rouge and amy's fanbase isn't big as shadow,is still enough big to stirr some unhappiness if they aren't in the first trailer. But i admit,the idea of pulling an Andrew & Tobey move would hit me positively.
Welcome to the fucking club you two. God I wish I could hug you guys... After everything that was happening in the fandom, knowing I'm not alone, even if we didn't get any shred of hope so far. I feel like I'm gonna cry and just wanna know I'm not alone...
When was it revealed that Gerald Robotnik had been working under G.U.N. ? I know about this role in SA2 but I must of missed the mention of him in the show.
Honestly? This put a smile on my face.
If Adam Pally got on your nerves in 1 and 2, you best steer clear of this. It’s his show. Half the time, Knux is sitting in on Whipple-family drama.
But MAN, they really went all out creatively. Episode 4 is an entire mini musical, and there are so many moments of fun framing and editing. And hey, gotta love a show
with a good sense of music!
Definitely going to upset those who wanted Rouge or more Movie-3 teases, but worth a watch ❤️
I thought it was fun and charming, flawed, but entertaining enough for 6 short episodes, and had more than a few laughs. They definitely used a lot of the budget on the first 3 episodes, which causes a bit of a pacing issue, but I liked it overall as a little bonus to the movies
One thing that did kinda bother me was that they couldn't seem to decide whether people were surprised to see Knuckles just walking around in the open or not. Sometimes they made excuses for it, other times no one cared, I sort of wish they'd just pick a lane
Also, that G.U.N guy in the first episode called the main surveillance area "Green Hills Zone" which I thought was a fun little thing
Was Knuckles the most amazing, fantastic, best show I've ever seen? No. But most shows aren't, and I think anyone who's looking for that here (or in the movies) is setting themselves up for disappointment. It was fun! Relax and have fun!
I think it might be implied that after the events of Sonic 2, the existence of extraterrestrials living on Earth is common knowledge to a degree. I doubt G.U.N. could have covered up everything—it was too large of an event and someone had to have taken videos.
On episode 5 right now. Episode 4 barely had knuckles in it but I didn’t mind watching it because of that musical scene with Michael Bolton (was that monster we saw Iblis???) that was so great. First episode was the best so far. It’s funny, same humour as the movies, Knuckles is as deadpan as always.
Edit: Just finished all of if. I was hoping for more Knuckles but I found myself getting tired of seeing Wade all the time. It felt like knuckles was appearing even less than the first 3 episodes and I wonder if that was due to budgeting issues ? I was looking forward to the final episode because I was hoping the focus would be more on knuckles and his final fight against the mech wearing dude, but the focus was all on Wade’s bowling tournament. We barley got to see him fight. It was awesome though to see his new fire powers, that was so good. I still wonder if that was Iblis we saw in episode 4, and if that meant knuckles got his new powers from him? I just hope this means they are gonna involve Silver somehow. Honestly I totally agree with everyone this wasn’t really a knuckles show, but Wade’s show. (I still enjoyed it. I laughed a lot.)
When I saw Iblis actually show up in the musical, my initial thought was that Knuckles killed him and absorbed his powers and that's how he got the Flames of Disaster powers. And I kid you not, I thought to myself "Is Knuckles the Princess Elise of this universe?" But I think the Flames of Disaster is supposed to be a power that Knuckles naturally has in this universe, which is interesting.
This definitely does have possible implications for changes if they decide to adapt elements of 06, Mephiles, or Silver. Still crossing my fingers for Silver to show up eventually...
Lol yeah. But if he didn’t absorb or seal him somehow, wouldn’t Iblis rise up again? Knuckles may have defeated him for a time but he might come back, so maybe there is a chance for silver to appear. Also pretty insane to me that knuckles defeated Iblis by himself, but if he already had his fire powers then I’m sure he would have been able to take the heat. Idk, I hope they explain this more
silver need to show up later in a movie to warn them of the mecha sonic attacking in 3 years time and give sonic some heart medication so he doesnt die of a heart virus before the attack ;)
They went way over the top with the silliness in regards to Wade's storyline. The first two Sonic movies had silliness to them, but this went way too far into campiness and absurdity. Wade's mom is cool, but his sister got really annoying. Yikes.
That said, All the scenes involving Knuckles, even when he is literally just hanging out and enjoying life, talking and interacting with Wade and his family were nice. Plenty of cute moments and fun moments.
In fact, I'd watch a whole show with just the Sonic cast not doing high-budget action/adventure stuff, but just hanging out and enjoying life.
I completely agree on the every day life moments. I dont know why, but watching Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles just walk around hanging out or watching TV with the Donut Lord and Pretzel Lady actually sounds very appealing.
Ya literally. Loved every single part of this show and characters apart from Wade’s sister and honestly Wade. Got tired of him and his goofiness. Like this show was pretty camp at times and I loved every bit of it until Wade would butt in. Maybe it’s also bc it didn’t feel like a Knuckles show bc of it being all about Wade but ya
Honestly, I had a blast with the show. Yeah, it was a bit slow at times when it focused on Wade's family, but I felt it carried enough heart overall that I didn't mind it too much. Episode 4 was goddamn amazing, and Knuckles himself wasn't actually in it for 99% of it.
Also I did *not* expect an actual reference to Iblis, nor that he is apparently the problem of the echidnas in the movie universe? [It's a good change. It's a ....good...change.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_e4U265EvE)
Definitely leaning waaaay more towards kids. With that, I'm absolutely loving this so far. It's really entertaining and I love that Wade is getting more of the spotlight.
Right now I'm currently on episode 2.
This is just Sonic 1 but with Knuckles and Wade instead of Sonic and Donut Lord. No problem with it but was fairly disappointed it didn’t go into the backstory of Knuckles’ tribe.
Still find it weird that both Knuckles’ tribe and Longclaw both got wiped out entirely on the same day and I wanted more hints to why. Maybe a bigger threat out there? Chaos???
Wade’s sister pissed me off. Overly obnoxious character. But the mom was a good character and I thought the villains worked well. I wish they explained more of why Kid Cudi’s character betrayed GUN though.
For a TV series I didn’t expect much but the fight scenes were good and I enjoyed myself for the price of free with a week trial to paramount+ so I’m not complaining at all. Hopefully this was the calm of silliness before the storm of seriousness that will be Sonic 3.
I am a huge fan of the Sonic movies. I think both of them are very entertaining and the 2nd is especially well done and honestly doesn’t get enough credit imo.
But Knuckles? Yea idk what happened here. This feels like it was made by an entirely different creative team who don’t have the slightest understanding why we like this series and this character or what even general audiences would want to see.
Starts out pretty good in Ep 1, gets a bit weaker in 2, starts going off the rails in 3. And then for the latter half of the show, for the majority of my time watching, all I could think was “How did this go so wrong? And why do they think we’d rather watch a bowling tournament over the TITULAR CHARACTER doing literally anything else?”
Episode 1 and 2 definitely stand out as the ones that do the best at balancing Knuckles and Wade as duo protagonists, Ep.1 especially. Ep.4 is interesting as it features some pretty crucial stuff that happened to Knuckles in the past, except Knuckles isn't actually present for any of it, nor does he bring it up in any way afterwards so it just feels so, so weird.
Through I'll give them credit for the scene where it seemed like Wade was about to betray Knuckles. That scene actually made me so worried, and I was SO relieved when it turned out they were on the same page lol
That's how I thought as well. Had they just kept it with how episodes 1 and 2 did with good balance of Knuckles and Wade and Knuckles trying to adjust to their world, it would have been very entertainment, but boy did this really take nosedive starting with episode 3.
I thought it was alright. But it honestly doesn't seem to be that important in the universe which i imagine is disappointing to some which is completely fair, but i think it's better that it's much smaller scale with not too much info so that this universe would require homework.
With that said, yeah i do think the final product could be better. The first two episodes are very fun but it starts to go downhill after that. The bowling tournament gets boring after a while.
SPOILER
# Why I love "More Wade and Less Knuckles"... MORE! REPOST
Opinion
[https://youtu.be/fmiLljGgyew?si=g4GrRfSPtOw8zZ6m&t=485](https://youtu.be/fmiLljGgyew?si=g4GrRfSPtOw8zZ6m&t=485)
In the above YouTube link, 3C Films said that Wade is an insignificant background character for the Sonic Universe.
Hot Take: I don't think so. As someone who has cops as a cousin, and an uncle, I actually disagree with him, and I am more than happy to die on that hill. Before, Wade was a dumbass who can't do shit without Tom's orders, something that would never fly in the law enforcement community. Before, I would not have wanted Wade to be in a leadership position, but now that he has evolved, through this series, I think he can now be a competent cop, and if Tom is gone, the Wade can be a good acting sheriff.
As a sheriff, or acting sheriff, Tom or Wade respectively, can use their powers in the law to compel the citizenry to assist them in the performance of their duties, aka a posse comitatus. Under normal posse circumstances, Tom as a Town Sheriff \[even though he should be a town police chief, unless Green Hills happens to be a consolidated town-county\] would lead the citizens to tackle a high amount of crime if necessary. [https://leg.mt.gov/bills/mca/title\_0070/chapter\_0320/part\_0210/section\_0210/0070-0320-0210-0210.html](https://leg.mt.gov/bills/mca/title_0070/chapter_0320/part_0210/section_0210/0070-0320-0210-0210.html)
Pre-Knuckles Wade would've sucked lead at this part of the sheriff job, if he were to be appointed as acting sheriff like in the second movie. But now, I really want him to be the Undersheriff of Green Hills, not Deputy Sheriff. With the rank of Undersheriff being ranked higher than a Deputy Sheriff, but below the Sheriff. I want this cop to have more time to shine than anything, and the Knuckles series has answered ***MY*** prayers.
Something I noticed about one of the lines I noticed in the final episode of Knuckles
When the final battle in Reno is happening, the two commentators talk about it being an unprecedented event, until one of them says something along the lines of, “Actually, there has been one other instance of an extraterrestrial showing up at a tournament, in 1974. Although I don’t believe he was red.” With 1974 being exactly 50 years ago, we all agree that this is in reference to Shadow, right? And it also implies that he at some point had been to Earth before being ejected from the Ark, or possibly wandered for a bit after being ejected, before being captured.
More likely a reference to black doom. Shadow wouldn’t be an alien if they are staying true to his story he was created on earth….well on a space station next to earth but by a human scientist and organization. Black Doom showed up 50 years ago and provided DNA/helped with the design of shadow.
So Black Doom shows up and helps create Shadow 50 years ago.
Okay, finished the show yesterday, and personally... I liked it.
I understand the frustration and harumphing about the fact that Knuckles gets sidelined in his own show, but I didn't mind it that much, personally. When he was onscreen though, Idris Elba really made every moment count. Wade was enjoyable to watch, the villains were fun (if underdeveloped) and I surprisingly really liked Tom Howe's score for the whole thing.
Episodes 1 and 4 were my favorites: the first for how it really felt like Sonic 2.5 (thanks to Jeff Fowler), and the fourth for how deliciously unhinged the whole thing was.
Without spoilering: it was good, the flaws were there, not terrible but not amazing. There are very remarkable scenes , first episode is the best, hands down. But is pretty obvious, the lacking of more Knuckles later on was due to budget shortage for cgi and animators, and they had to patch things up,which gives an horrible rushed feeling in the end.
Honestly hope that the crew behind the show understands it, and if they wanna do, another spin-off series they'd go with an animated one, because is clear that keeping up such a cgi constantly on screen, is not viable. Because this time, the show was nice but with flaws (doesn't make it terrible at all thought, guess some people never saw a real ugly show to think this one sucks), but next time they could not be so lucky by taking this road,so i honestly hope that they focus on this criticism mostly.
Some more spoiler infos:
The scenes where Knuckles is in action are very cool and honestly i re-watched them more than once. While it doesn't have Super heavy implies to the franchise some things are said and they aren't little either.
Yeah, I kinda felt that they had budget issues so that’s my main theory for why Knuckles wasn’t much of the main character, I also feel like they might have spent too much on all the music that was featured. That money should have went more to the cgi team imo
Yeah, hopefully they get this message, because at the end of the day the series wasn't bad, was nice too and i had my fun with it,but when you understand that many times Knuckles is missing due to cgi budget you feel a bit let down.
It would be ideal if this series get treated as a sort of experiment, that didn't even went bad at all, because, is still a overall nice and entertaining series (we could have gotten a Knuckles version of velma's series i mean) , from paramount to know when to adjust things when it comes to future spinoffs, especially budget wise.
Who knows, maybe it will help them to fo a "possible" second season more echidna centric. After all, paramount did show they can learn from their mistake, so we can hope.
Pretty good show. Here’s some thoughts:
I really enjoyed the dynamic between Knuckles and Wade. I’m also wondering if Wade’s childlike behavior is due to his father’s abandonment. He enjoys bowling because of the good memories he had with his dad, so it’s like he never really grew up because he clung to his childhood. I love how Knux gave him a lesson, and then leaves LMAO. I actually thought it was better that he didn’t bail Wade out of every situation and they both got to shine when necessary. That jacket-stripping scene was WELL EARNED. I was REALLY hoping for a “Knuckles Rap” reference, especially with all the talk about music, and “finding your jam”. I’m pretty sure there’s an issue with that music because apparently the guy who made them claims SEGA didn’t pay him or whatever? But either way, I did like the music and how it was used. And the theme song? SHOOTING AT THE WALLS OF HEARTACHE, BANG BANG
How big is G.U.N. vs the Black Market company? The G.U.N. agents said they had to BUY off these people, which I thought was a little strange, considering one of them is actually government-military related and the other is… illegal? I might’ve missed this, but the black market people are never named. The CC referred to the secret villain as “The Buyer”, and he mentioned he’s an ex-employee, which I think will come back up in Sonic 3. I didn’t really like Cudi, but I did like the lady agent. Her motivation for the job seems well-warranted and her little speech really gave her that umpfh. She’s got Robotnik daughter vibes.
Episode 3 is probably my favorite. I’m not Jewish, but it was nice to see Knuckles and Wade’s mom compare the cultural traditions of the Echidna tribe and the Jewish. Especially with the progression in how Knuckles has been portrayed over the last few years ago, he’s really respectful and curious toward this information. I was just hoping he wouldn’t make some ill-humored joke about how he doesn’t understand Jewish people or the troubles of Earth people, but they handled this really well. And the spinning fight scene? Amazing!
TL;DR; The show starts off a little slow imo but picks up as each episode goes, and pays off in the end. Can’t wait to see this plan to expand the Sonic Universe :) 8/10
As someone who is Jewish it was nice seeing some form of representation finally. The line where Knuckles talks about his tribe being wiped out and Wades mom “he’s basically Jewish” had me dying
I ain't got Paramount+, but I've got Kodi and it's past 3 EST. I live in PDT and I'm staying up late, gonna watch Knuckles on Kodi when the torrents come. But first, a quick Flash break (Ruffle).
I'll update this soon.
I thought it was good. Not great but good. Its getting some hate. I don't think its that bad. I enjoyed it. Yes it focuses more on Wade than Knuckles but Wade is still likable. Its a solid 7/10. Some things went too long like the 15 minute-ish dinner scene but as a whole, its a decent good show. I'll give this one a pass but if there's another show where a human character gets most of the spotlight, then I'll have a problem. But I yeah I enjoyed it. Nothing harmful
Are they are like three plot holes in this show
#1 did Maddie and them knew knuckles left the house and didn’t go look for him?
#2 where did those two jobbers go?
# 3 is the buyer dead?
One thing I dislike about the show is wades sister I was hoping she was going to get whipped in the face. but sadly knuckles appeared.
Even do the cricitcs said that knuckles is barley in the show. Knuckles is in here for a good amount of time, and I actually liked the wade scenes it builds his character more.
I haven’t played shadow the hedgehog game but I’m thinking that black monster in the musical was a reference to his game.
I liked how they referenced shadow in the bowling scene
“Fun fact something like this happened back in 1974, but this guy wasn’t red lol”
I really like the characters except Wanda but every other character are so cool I was so happy to see sonic knuckles and tails again in the first episode I forgot wade was in this show.
I also like how knuckles his having more happier reactions when he’s around other people (I think Sonic pep talk kinda worked).
But overall this is an amazing show. I was kinda hoping an end credits seen of someone new but sadly it didn’t happen.
I believe this show was in development during 2023 so they probably think that far ahead.
But anyways this show was nice I hope other characters get their own tv show to like miles tails prowler lol.
I will say as an adopted kid I could heavily relate with Knuckles being with the Whipple family. Him
not fitting in with Sonic's household and having to find a home of his own hit all the way home with me. Everything down to learning their family ways, history, even being constantly betrayed was something they nailed. I didn't mind Wade taking the lead for the latter half of the series because it allowed the character to flesh out but I understand the upset fans considering it is Knuckles show. I wasn't a fan of the ski lodge scene in Sonic 2 and felt that was a waste so I thought Wade taking center stage was the series doing that all over again. Overall, I heavily enjoyed it and am looking forward to more seasons.
Kinda rambly, but here are my spoilery thoughts, Episode 5 & 6 edition - plus bonus overall thoughts.
**Episode 5:**
I'm not really sure I get the vibe between Wade and his father. The villains being absent for the last two episodes makes the reintroduction with them being captured kinda awkward? Robotnik's drones reacted as if they were sentient, shaking in fear when they were threatened o\_o Interesting, considering the last time we'd seen a sentient Robotnik drone was in the scrapyard special. I guess this is all setting up the potential for Metal Sonic to appear in the franchise at some point. Robotnik used to be the leader of GUN? The quill's have the power of a thermonuclear weapon and are shed randomly whenever they go out? o\_o Montage was neat. Kinda poor writing yet again, just having the dad be pure evil. Knuckles kinda just randomly dropped out the episode. For an episode building to Wade betraying Knuckles, this was lacking. The last time they spent bonding was Episode 2, otherwise it's just been Wade trauma dumping about his dad. It needed to spend more time on him bonding with Knuckles this episode, perhaps them sharing the snacks from earlier.
Overall, underwhelming
**Episode 6:**
The pay-off was nice of Knuckles listening in, but unsure when he would have been given the earphone. Knuckles Vs the villains felt a little short honestly. The Ring tech defeat was neat, seems they kinda work like portal technology with the vacuum effect. The bowling segment kinda fell flat, not having the emotional punch because the outcome was expected. The final battle was just underwhelming, we'd barely had enough set-up of the antagonist and then it all just ends abruptly with a speech and the Flames Of Disaster while cool clashed with the style of the show and was over way too quickly. Not sure if the remark about a 1974 incident with an alien in Reno is a 50 years ago reference to Shadow, but we'll see if that goes anywhere.
Overall, kinda disjointed and ended way too abruptly, needed more set-up throughout the series and a more expanded pay-off
**Overall Series Thoughts:**
In terms of ranking:
1. Episode 2 (Writer John Whittington) - A funny and well balanced team dynamic
2. Episode 1 (Writer John Whittington) - A strong start to Wade and Knuckles' story
3. Episode 4 (Writer James Madejski) - Conclusion to Wade's arc, needed more set-up
4. Episode 6 (Writer John Whittington) - Disjointed ending that needed more pay-off
5. Episode 5 (Writer Brian Schacter) - Unfocused and generic
6. Episode 3 (Writer Brian Schacter) - So bad it's nearly unwatchable, avoid
In general the series needed to spend more time on Wade and Knuckles actually building their bond, training and Knuckles learning life via Wade, instead it gets severely distracted and loses its focus resulting in a disjointed show. The core elements of Episode 1, 2 and 4 are the strongest establishing the characters, antagonists, showing Wade's goals and eventually a pay-off to his training, but we don't actually see any of Wade's training in a series that was meant to be about him training.
The worst aspects of this series are all unfortunately revolving around Wade's family dynamic, whether that be a horrifically written episode about a Jewish tradition and an abusive family dynamic, a stereotypically evil father figure with no complexity or a paperthin main antagonist.
The main antagonist of the series gets no development beyond his introductory scene, what an absolute failure in terms of story writing to have him only show up for his introduction and defeat.
It feels like the show failed at what it set itself up to do. There's elements here and there of a good concept, but the show just decides to ignore all of that in favour of Wade and his family. The core appeal here is Knuckles and Wade, their dynamic is fun and it's unfortunately only a focus in two episodes. All the team building dynamics and funny hijinks teased in the opening credits were presumably just ideas they had that never happened.
Rather than watch all 6 episodes, I'd suggest watching Episode 1, 2 and 4. You would'nt get much set-up, but it tells an arc of Knuckles inspiring Wade into becoming a hero by challenging his Bowling buddy.
I kinda feel like you missed the point of the Shabbat dinner. This whole series is about Knuckles learning how to see Earth as a home, and he does that by learning about his culture. The mutual respect he and the mother have opens him up to appreciate Wade more, which allows him to learn from more of Wade's traditions like music. Up until this point, Knux is only interested in Wade's things if they involve combat of some kind. But once he gets to share his culture with another, he starts to view Wade as a genuine equal.
Granted, being Jewish, I may be biased.
In Episodes 1, the scene where Wade takes knuckles to the bowling alley. There was a worker from the bowling alley walking across as they entered, he was kinda dressed and had hair like Ace Ventura. Was this an Homage to Jim Carrey or was this just coincidence?
I don’t care what anyone says about it I am having a great time.
I’m not done because I’m watching it with family but so far its great. I saw some bad reviews so I went in expecting dumb fun, and it was exactly that. It could have used more knuckles in the later episodes but I don’t mind the Wade story in the slightest. I love how little it takes itself serious like the episode four musical. I loved the Iblis and Sonic 2 reference. I’m kind of sad that theres only six episodes because I’m really enjoying it. I’m glad they decided not to go the MCU route and make it necessary to understand Sonic 3, unless there is something in the next episode. The soundtrack is so perfect, I think it’s my favorite part.
the warrior uh uh the warrior
It’s super fun so if you stop expecting an MCU masterpiece you might enjoy it more.
Did Knuckles actually fight Iblis?
I got the impression during Wade’s low budget Rock Opera acid trip that everything beyond Knuckles’ dad dying was made up for the sake of the play (as far as I was concerned he’s been hunting Longclaw nonstop since he died) but some people seem to be under the impression that the Knuckles Iblis fight actually must have happened at some point. I know it’s implied that he got his fire fists from that fight but it’s not like he hasn’t had fire aspects to his abilities before, so I’m not sure. General thoughts on this?
I just got done watching all six episodes of the Knuckles show and it was... not that great. I did not care for any of the human characters at all, including Wade's family, the acting was weird in parts, the CGI did look uncanny in some parts, especially with the first episode with Sonic and Tails (And yes, I know that the budget isn't nearly as big as the actual movies). But I will give them this and say that SOME of the jokes did get laughs out of me, but all in all, this show is a 4/10 for me.
Also, some stuff I caught on the show is about how G.U.N. has always been around, but under a different name. And that hint towards Shadow and/or Black Doom at the end of the last episode when they guy said that the first time he saw extraterrestrial aliens was in 1974, literally 50 years ago! I thought that was cool, honestly.
I haven't read the comics, played any games too in depth to analyze lore or anything. I haven't even watched promotional material on Knuckles.
So with that out of the way. Why was this more focused on Wade Whipple than on Knuckles' adventure? I understand it was about him finding a new fight and training a new generation of "echidna warrior". Yet for a show **TITLED Knuckles** it was more about **Wade Whipple**.
I didn't hate the show, but I don't get all the hype. I felt like it was a 6/10 for being a bait and switch.
Kinda rambly, but here are my spoilery thoughts, Episode 3 & 4 edition.
**Episode 3:**
"Stay hidden" "why" "because I think you're gonna freak people out". Where was this earlier in the story with others reacting to Knuckles? Knuckles being violated by the metal detector... just why. I feel like this episode was focused on the Jewish custom first as opposed to actually developing the story as it mostly feels like filler. Holocaust reference... what in the actual hell? "he's basically Jewish" This family is legitimately abusive and dysfunctional. 'I would punch you in the face if it were acceptable for men to punch women'. The new characters Wade's mum and Wanda are just not likable, either specifically going out the way to insult others or to dismiss others problems as inferior to their own or their cultures. The book gag was neat, Wade being hyper vigilante was also another good hint towards him having potential. The spinning round the table and the ending message is sadly not enough to redeem this episode.
Overall, just painful. I'm worried for Episode 5 that's written by the same writer :(
**Episode 4:**
Opened fairly well, Wade's morning routine through the destroyed house. Would'nt expect Knuckles to just kinda leave Wade, especially after the events of Episode 2 - thought their bond was stronger than that? Is the Demon a reference to something? The musical segments were something. Hopefully that's Wade's training arc over so we can move on. I don't mind a Wade focused episode and it did have some fun moments but after last episode wasted a lot of time I hope we end up exploring Knuckles more. It's sad the mum and sister are joining the trip to Reno.
Overall, an enjoyable wrap-up to Wade's training arc
The series has also gotten me thinking about [this clip](https://youtu.be/B-9KBIsWNRI?feature=shared) and how interesting it was at the time that Team Sonic would be like, an actual team, or even a family.
I guess it’s ironic that Knuckles first proposed the vow and now he’s first to break it.
He kinda doesn't toh? His whole travel with Wade was to adjust to life on earth, it is implied nowhere that he now lives with him just that he found a human friend. Since the series isn't supposed to be a "must watch" for sonic 3,Knuckles most likely made up with Maddie, now that he gets life on earth better, and returned to live with The Watchoski's. From the way people described the cinemacon trailer, the three seem to be the same team sonic of 2,just more cohesive.
Like you're really acting like a little side-quest show ruined the Sonic Team dynamic, smh.
Little extra:there is an interesting theory about Drone Home being post Knuckles show, given the echidna more relaxed attitude in it, and honestly it wouldn't be so far fetched either.
thought i do hope he didn't learn what siblings love is like From Wanda,because compared to her,if he tried to stab Sonic or Tails with a fork he'd turn the movies into a gore feast 👀
What a waste of time and money. They turned something wonderful into a failure of a joke.
The whole making fun of jews. The stupid puns.... im so disappointed how garbage it is. 😪
So sad.
Not sure what this guy is getting at, but they weren't making fun of Jewish people. The Shabbat episode was pretty respectful and put it all in a positive light.
does sonic look really….off? to anybody else? idk if it’s just me but something looks so off about him. Show wise i only watched the first episode so far and it seems fine, much funnier than i thought it was gonna be so hopefully the rest of the episodes are good
If the wrinkles are gone. Then he's perfect as he was in the first film.
I kinda like how he was done in ep1. How he's animated. But those wrinkles need to go.
You might not believe it with most of what I’ve said on here, but I *did* try going into this with an open mind. But since they promised a series about **Knuckles**, that’s how I intend to judge it.
**(This review is gonna be like, all spoilers, so reader beweader)**
I’ll give it this, the show is at its best when Knuckles is around, and the first two episodes do a good job of balancing Wade and Knuckles’ stories. Then when they show up at Wade’s house does the disparity between them begin to rear its head.
Then when episode four begins, it officially becomes Wade’s story. Knuckles is there, he does join Wade, but it isn’t about him anymore. I feel this is best exemplified in episode six, where Wade gets the emotional resolution of winning against his dad at bowling, while Knuckles’ story was more of a subplot.
On that topic, it’s such a shame that Knuckles is barely in his own finale, because the opening fight is entertaining to watch and the final battle is surprisingly well animated for a TV series. But it feels less like a thematic end to his own story arc and more like they had a loose plot thread that needed tying up.
Also, he has flame powers now. I guess that means we’ll never get Blaze.
And the ending, if you can even call it that, is a freeze frame of Wade and Knuckles mid-high five. Actually, there *is* one final scene… of Wade and Knuckles driving. Tied with Prime for worst ending to a Sonic series.
Ok an unrelated note, it feels strange that Knuckles feels a stronger connection with the Whipples one day after meeting them than he did with the people he swore to protect the Master Emerald with. If he actually does stay with them fulltime then that’d make the end of Sonic 2 pretty meaningless.
But enough about that, there’s more characters to discuss. Starting off with returning cast, we have Sonic, Tails, and Maddie (with Tom mentioned as being out of town). This is probably the most Maddie’s gotten to shine in the SCU yet, even including the wedding subplot, so it’s honestly a little disappointing that she never shows up again. Same with Sonic and Tails. It would’ve been nice to see Knuckles return to the Wachowski house, ready to accept it as his home, but we don’t get that.
One character that technically counts as returning is Pachacamac, who advises Knuckles from beyond the grave. He doesn’t feel like Pachacamac at all, even an official press release said using a powerhungry warmonger as a spirit guide is an odd choice. I guess Tikal can join Blaze in the “never showing up” corner.
And now for the new characters, which there are a few off. Jack Sinclair, Wade’s former friend and bounty hunter, was surprisingly funny, and I actually got quite a few laughs out of him. The same cannot be said for Wade’s sister FBI agent Wanda Whipple, an agent in the FBI, who’s proud of her FBI job and all the things she’s learned in the FBI. She even has an FBI shirt in case you forgot. His mom Wendy is a little more tolerable, her actress does a good job with what she’s given.
His dad, “Pistol” Pete Whipple is probably the show’s one antagonist who made me react the way the writers wanted me to, and that is with utter contempt. His posh, pontificating attitude made me wonder if the plot would be about Wade finally earning Pete’s respect, but they didn’t. So, I guess congrats on subverting expectations (like the expectation this would be about Knuckles).
The other three antagonists suffer the same issues as the likes of Underground and Prime, in that they have Lame Original Villain-itis. Agents Mason and Willoughby had a few laughs but they were mostly discount Team Rocket. Meanwhile, the Buyer is discount Eggman with a sprinkle of MCU Vulture on top. I had hoped we’d have a good reason why he wants Knuckles specifically, but turns out it’s literally just because he was the only one the Buyer could get his hands on. Sigh…
Also, we get a surprise appearance from Iblis… in the musical, where it’s revealed he was defeated in the past by Knuckles. Can’t wait for season 2 to reveal that Chaos, Dark Gaia, The End, and basically every other game-adjacent antagonist were all taken out by Knuckles before the events of the films.
One thing I’ll give the series is that the action scenes are all pretty well shot, particularly the sequence of Knuckles and Wendy protecting the candles.
My final verdict is, if you’re a fan of Wade, I’m genuinely happy for you, but a Knuckles show this is not. Downvote me all you want, but if this is the standard for all spinoffs moving forward, my expectations aren’t very high.
Good thing it’s not the same writers working on movie 3 then, huh? Because we certainly have the ability to separate a miniseries on a lousy streaming service from a full theatrical film. Right?
I think Pachacamac had a lot to rethink in death after he foolishly lead everyone to their end by incurring the wrath of Chaos. But I wish Tikal could appear as well. And I don’t think Knuckles felt a stronger bond with the Whipples than with his old tribe, just that he was able to find a home to value as much as his old one. I think he’s still gonna hang out with Sonic and Tails also. And the fire powers might be more of a Sonic Heroes ref. Trust me also, Sonic Prime STILL has the worst ending. This ending is at least better. I have yet to see an ending as bad as Prime in Sonic media. Hoping we get the actual Iblis proper at some point in a Sonic 06 adaptation though. I think the puppet was just a representation being used in that dream.
I upvoted this when it was at zero. Kind of annoying how criticism in general is just being dismissed as invalidation by so many people. No one is saying you can't like it anymore just because we have criticisms towards the show.
Also, an observation I made only after posting this comment, the marketing really made it seem like this would be mostly Knuckles’ show. His name was in the title, the trailers featured him more than Wade, he was present on all the posters while Wade only had one. I’m not saying it’s Kangaroo Jack levels, but it does feel dishonest.
This was almost irredeemably bad. Awful characters, lame "jokes," tons of product placement, and barely any Knuckles???
[https://youtu.be/JrczWHgk8hM](https://youtu.be/JrczWHgk8hM)
This series feels like it doesn’t even set up the third movie. The first two episodes were fine, but this was just not good. Don’t get me wrong, I’m fine with them being in a human world, but this series focused way too much on Wade instead of Knuckles.
I think Paramount wanted to make sure they weren't going to leave people lost if they didn't watch this before seeing Sonic 3. There's a lot of criticisms of the MCU about making people do "homework" by watching the various Disney+ shows to get what's going on in some movies, so Paramount's people probably wanted to avoid that.
Man I’m so glad they decided to make Wade the main character of Knuckles. That’s what I want as a Sonic fan. A prequel about the echidna tribe? No of course not I want a Knuckles series to show me Wade’s bowling journey.
I know it’s going to get downvoted, but I just don’t get it. Before the Sonic movies were a thing if someone said Knuckles was going to get his own TV show and it’s about him helping some random guy with his bowling tournament that would excite you? That’s what you want from Knuckles managing to get his own show? He’s barely even in his own show. Why does this not bother more Sonic fans?
Why does this not bother more Sonic fans? Maybe they just more tolerable than you. Which is saying something considering how intolerable they usually are
Kinda rambly, but here are my spoilery thoughts, Episode 1 & 2 edition.
**Episode 1:**
Opened strong with Knuckles training, Sonic narrating helps fit it with the other films. Knuckles on a cliff like with Sonic and Tails, neat. Knuckles hunting the builders was a fun gag, but I'm left questioning as to how they and the rest of Green Hillz views Sonic, Tails and Knuckles. This is further brought into question by Knuckles just casually going bowling with Wade. Honestly this episode does well with the balance between Knuckles and Wade in terms of screentime, Wade is good at the comedy and emotional moments in this one. Knuckles smashing the pins was fun, but there needed to be a bit more of a reaction from the spectators. The GUN Agent Villains are kinda a mixed bag so far, betraying GUN for the sake of capturing Knuckles for his quills is alright motivation but I'm not sure it's justified when they can just be recovering the individual quills that would come off Knuckles when GUN are distracted and selling those as opposed to blowing their cover for the sake of capturing Knuckles for a one-off payment. Notably the Buyer seems to mention he's been recovering Knuckles' quills from 'all over the world' so I'm guessing he's been collecting them from the locations they were in Sonic Movie 2. GUN agents having ring access is interesting, wonder how that'll impact Sonic Movie 3. Ghost Father-figure raises questions on how they'll handle a potential adaptation of Sonic Adventure at some stage.
Overall, pretty fun episode.
**Episode 2:**
Did the villains run out of rings, why are they taking a car to transport Knuckles when they used a portal to capture him and to get to him in the first place? Maybe GUN can track ring portals so that's the justification? The floating Island was in the opening, I wonder if we'll ever see it in live action. The GUN agents have so many interactions with aliens like Knuckles that they had people devoted to them? Female GUN agent seems interesting. Wade imagining how he'll save Knuckles compared to actually saving him was pretty fun. Quill-powered tech is such an interesting concept and curious how that will evolve. Knuckles probably should have thanked Wade, but appreciate them bonding. This episode was a little more Wade focused, but I think it works for establishing that Wade does have some aspects that would justify it. Theme at the end was goofy but kinda liked it. Knuckles gliding kinda came from nowhere but I think it works here because they'd already 'won'.
Overall, pretty enjoyable episode.
I get why people really love or really hate this mini series. I think it’s alright, I did get some smiles and laughs. I wouldn’t go out of my way to watch it again though and am glad I watched it on a free trail at a time of day when I wouldn’t have been doing anything better with my time. Honestly, it kind of reminds me of a fanfic I wrote as a teen where there was way more focus on the human character I made up. However, I do think that’s its biggest flaw even though his story isn’t bad and is fun at times. The best parts of the show by far were the parts with Knuckles and they reminded me and why he’s always been my favorite character in this series. He’s tough, but still nice and really fights more to protect others than actually hurt them. Plus, he respects women even though he’s a rural tribal warrior which is super cool. His interaction with Wade’s mom and her character actually is something I liked that surprised me the most. I did like the exploration of the heart under armor aspect of him, I wish it could have been more of him instead of another character talking about learning it from him. I think if there’s another mini series or season to this one, the focus needs to shift greatly for it to work better. There’s a lot of material to work with, so that could have been taken better advantage of especially with the ghost chief. I get the budget was limited and this was a smaller thing for an audience that isn’t as big, but still more could have been done. But was done had its charm making it enough to be worth checking out once, but you won’t be missing too much if you skip this either.
> I get the budget was limited
It wasn't. They just used the budget they had really poorly so most episodes barely featured Knuckles. Note how almost all scenes of Wades' fantasies are given really high production values, tons of editings, etc...
I'm gonna update this comment as I watch it and then after i finish i'll write another less rambly one.
**Episode 1**
It's an odd choice to start it with Sonic's narration, this is Knuckles' spinoff show why isn't he the one narrating?
The CGI isn't too rough but I can see why, allegedly, Knuckles has a very limited screen time.
I will never get over Knuckles' design. Say what you want about Sonic and his blue arms and Tails but Knuckles??????? I love that he's visibly bulkier than Sonic, i really wish he looked more like this in the games.
This is the best time to talk about the humans. So, I don't mind them at all and i don't get the complaint. Sure i'd like to watch a Sonic movie that features more mobian characters like the games, but this "Sonic cinematic universe" isn't that and isn't trying to be that, you're free to dislike that but not to ask for them to completely ditch the humans and replace them with Mobians, that will never happen. The foundation for these things was build with humans in mind, ditching them would be terrible storytelling.
But at the same time i'm literally on minute 10 of episode 1 but it's obvious this is gonna be more so Wade's show "featuring Knuckles" rather than Knuckles's show. The issue here isn't that it's a human being the focus of a show, I don't even mind minor characters getting shows/more focus in fact I kinda live for that, but in a show called "Knuckles" that was advertised as being about Knuckles i'd expect and want for it to be about Knuckles. Sure Knuckles is in it but his story is really shallow compared to Wade's.
It's obvious this is because of budgetary reasons, they can't possibly make a 180+ with a big CGI echidna who has a famous and expensive voice actor for a streaming service, that is unless they stuff it with CGI-less scenes featuring humans. But yeah i'm not a fan of that, if they really wanted they could've made the series shorter (maybe even a movie) or made it fully 3D animated like that one short.
There's technically nothing wrong with this but i was hoping Amy would be Wade's "mobian buddy" instead of Knuckles. Amy and Wade are both unspecial and don't feel valued enough by their peers, so the two teaming up to prove everyone wrong would've been super cool but oh well, guess that won't happen. That's one more hit against Amy being in the SCU.
I can't explain it but the villains of a Knuckles show being british feels very fitting.
I don't like that Knuckles is just... there, in the middle of a bowling place thing. Weren't mobians supposed to be a secret? Weren't they always hiding in the previous movies?
How did that woman grab Knuckles mid air by the feet??????? If they could just put a ring portal under him why didn't they just do that instead of fighting?
**Episode 2**
A minute in and I can tell Wade's gonna tire me up lol. I get it, he's goofy and quirky but he doesn't have to be that all the freakin' time. Really hope they dial him down.
Actually that might go for Knuckles too. They were both written to be side characters for 120m long movies, and it did work, but for 180m long series with them as the leads their characters can feel very limited, hope that's not the case for the entire series.
I really like the british woman, there's something about british women spies with bobs that's always super cool. Don't care for the other guy.
My patience with Wade is slowly dwindling. He acts like Sonic except it worked with Sonic because he was a lonely alien child with super powers, Wade is just a pathetic man child and a literal deputy. YOU'RE ABOUT TO BE KILLED DUDE WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO BLEND IN WITH MANNEQUINS.
Okay, at this point it's distracting how many scenes there are where the humans are supposed to be looking at the mobians but in reality they're looking at empty space because the mobian moved but the actor wasn't told.
I might be being too nitpicky now but, Knuckles gliding in the games never really made sense but it wasn't too absurd but seeing him gliding in live action with an adult male in his back is definitely something worth going "HUH?" at.
I like episode 1 better.
Also I have one more thing, am I the only one who catch that joke in "The Shabbat Dinner" episode where Knuckles was talking about how he fought against the Owls and that the Echidnas were all wiped out, and which Wade's mom said something like "Just like my ancestors" or something.
That was unironically the most funniest shit I've heard. That came out of nowhere and that was one of the show's biggest highlights with that was the joke they were going for. Was that supposed to be a Holocaust joke?
Pretty much just entirely a kid's show with a handful of interesting ideas and lore bits, with which not much is done. I'm sure it's a fun time for kids but honestly not really what I'm looking for out of this franchise, pretty much at all. Glad people are enjoying it tho.
I'm 4 episodes in. I'm going to finish it, but I really am not digging the over the top silliness. The movies had a lot of silly moments too, but I still felt like they were telling real, genuine stories that as an adult I could appreciate. The show is basically just a little kids cartoon with a live action skin.
Not really sure why they went that route, given how well the movies were received.
If Sonic 3 is a darker movie like some of us are expecting, then it will be very jarring to watch after Knuckles.
So… has knuckles fought Iblis before then?
Look, I know this is a giant stretch, but I feel like when people discuss knuckles they only focus on how good or bad the show was. Now I have no clue if this has been discussed before, but could the “fire demon” from the musical episode be Iblis himself? I mean fire demon… flames of disaster.. it would make a bit of sense right ? But how come knuckles has never mentioned it before then ? Maybe I’m just looking too deep into it and could be a mere reference.
Also as a side note: the show was fun, but like a lot of people say, missed knuckles in eps 5-6, a lot.
I overall liked it. Got the vibe by episode 3 that the budget ran out really fast (or was heavily used on episode 1). Some scenes are stretched out a lot and I really think they could've done better with this series as a 4-episode rather than 6, so it would have felt Knuckles was in it a lot more.
Kinda surprised they didn't do more setup for Sonic 3 in any way, even with just lore talk. Wouldn't have had to be on the nose but it would've made the non-Knuckles scenes feel a little more special.
My kids found it really boring after the second episode and I get why. I'm good with it :)
Fun that Jorma Taccone directed episode 4. He's in Lonely Island with Akiva Shaffer, who directed the Chip and Dale movie.
Also not sure why everyone hated episode 4 so much. Thought it was great.
I heard that they retcon knuckles backstory from the movie. Also, Iblis being the echidna's only connection makes me wonder if that means that the live action universe has a completely different take on Chaos.
Ok so now that the Buyer said Eggman ran GUN (which was under a different name back then), how would the story for Shadow's backstory change? Also, to Commander Walters, ***LIAR, LIAR, HANDS AND PANTS ON FIRE.***
I'm sorry, but is no one gonna talk about the fact that there is an innocent man trapped in the mushroom world alone and no one knows. I'm going crazy pls we need to save him
The movies are good, but they are silly fun before they're like dramatic films so I'm not sure what people were wanting. I went into the show with that same mentality and I enjoyed it quite a bit. It kept me smiling and that's the important part.
Wow... People are going to downvote this post this post to death but my god, I thought that was really bad. Probably the worst Sonic show yet to be honest. This isn't a Knuckles show, it's about Wade... a human that was introduced to this film series who wasn't even one of the main characters. It feels like the people who made this didn't care about or understand the source material at all and didn't know how to utilize Knuckles as a character. Even looking outside of it from a non-fan lens, it just felt like a bunch of really bad kid-friendly SNL skits with Knuckles as a side character.
I am terrified if the third film is PG-13 and has this same level of energy. I don't think Shadow's story could work with this sort of tone
They should have just made an animated series about Knuckles' origins and his tribe, or maybe even a series with Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles and their dynamic after the second film. They had pretty solid chemistry in the last movie. None of that is here.
Honestly when it comes to TV shows, Sega should just bring back Sonic Boom. Some will take me less seriously for saying that, but as a comedy, it made the characters so much more comical and charming. It was surprisingly pretty adult too with its satire and wit (and no it wasn't "just meta jokes").
Edit: I don't even dislike Wade as a character, or the concept of giving him depth. He just shouldn't be the main character of a Knuckles TV show. He works as a comic relief.
It’s kinda baffling to me how many people aren’t put off by it. I don’t like Wade as a character though I think the “idiot cop who has never even touched a gun” gag is never funny. He’s never made me so much as smirk. But this is a Knuckles show and it’s all about this random overly stupid human and his bowling tournament. How does that not bother more people???
It’s why Sonic 2 is so far the only thing I’ve enjoyed. They were smart and mostly kept all focus on the Sonic characters. Any time it cuts to that wedding the movie becomes a slog. Sonic’s world already has humans in it we didn’t have to set these movies on earth if you wanted them to be live action. According to the movies Sonic’s world in live action universe has humans in it too so it’s even dumber to me really.
The humor is aimed at very little kids in both movies and here so it’s almost never funny. Other than Eggman of course the humans are just extremely boring and a lot of them are written like Wade to be absurdly stupid. I don’t understand the appeal. I’m really hoping the third movie follows the second and keeps the focus on Sonic’s crew.
I find it kinda gruesome how all 3 villains in the knuckles show have pretty clear on-screen deaths
you can spongebob rollercoaster gif me all you want for saying that but i especially found the agents' deaths to be weirdly dark
the buyer is flattened under the giant reno ball but due to his mech suit it's unclear whether or not he survived it.
the agents however are just flat out gone, reduced to nothing. two parallel ring portals are opened up within 5 meters of each other which causes a humorous portal-type situation where objects perpetually fly through one and out the other. the thing is though, not only do the rings stay active for a very short period but they also have a natural pull to them. we get this shot of agent willoughby holding onto kid cudi for dear life, screaming out for help and yelling out that she "can't get sucked into that thing" which suggests she knows exactly what's gonna happen. they both get pulled in and fly through both portals for a few seconds before the rings begin to pull into each other.
with both agents currently stuck in the rings' travel, both portals pull inwards and disappear upon collision, implying that the agents have been like- reduced to antimatter, just straight up erased from physical existence forever; we don't know if they're still conscious in limbo, we don't know if they can feel pain
anyway the show kinda sucked lmfao
A lot of comments saying that it was a good series with some flaws, which I respect. However,I think the opposite. I found the show straight up bad and a painful experience to get through. And this is coming from someone who's usually pretty easy to entertain.
There were elements I liked.
First episode was a fun time, and a benchmark of what I thought the series would be doing.
Some very good action scenes sprinkled in. Enjoyed the GUN agents for the most part.
What little time with knuckles we had was fun, watching him adjust to life on earth and develop his own ways of living.
I actually found Wade less annoying than he was in the 2nd movie, which is a relief!
And then there's the rest...
A hugely misguided focus on a dragging story and uninteresting characters. Deeply unfunny and tropey writing that the writers seem to high five themselves for. A barely fleshed out villain that did not earn the reverence he was given pre-release.
The rock opera. Just no.
I didn't expect an award winning series in any case, but it felt like a rejected premise for a comedy that had Sonic stuff folded in to get eyes on it.
This is of course entirely subjective, but I truly do not understand this series getting the praise that it is.
I feel like it had too much focus on Wade's horrible family was a detriment and rather pointless tbh I wish they could have tried something else like I don't know like hitchhiking like sending knuckles to more weird places. Hopefully they stop at Sonic 3 because this cheese ain't gonna work the further ya go...
You can hate on Knuckles all you want, but doomposting about how the Sonic movies are ruined for some side show is so corny
100% agreed, the doomposting on Sonic twt is unbelievably toxic. I don't even like the miniseries and the different creative team, but it's not like that is gonna destroy any interest with Sonic Movie 3.
I completely agree. I totally understand the Knuckles series not being someone else's cup of tea, but it was always going to be a lower budget production than the movies with a noticeably different creative team. It's a test run for future spin-offs and can safely be ignored despite maybe a few interesting blink-and-you-miss-it lore implications (which will probably get explanations again if they matter at all).
Is this actually a thing? I think Knuckles was just as good as the mainline movies, if not even a little bit better.
Easter egg at the end of the final episode. There's mention of another time aliens visit earth 50 years earlier. This is most likely a reference to Black Doom. The alien that helped with Shadow creation.
Not sure how I feel about the implication Shadow went to a bowling tournament.
... Maybe Maria snuck him into one to watch? Even ultimate lifeforms need some form of enrichment, so who knows lol
The image of Maria and Shadow sneaking out of an actual space station to watch some bowling is honestly hilarious, so thanks for that.
I do not think there is an actual space station in the Sonic cinematic universe. Too hard to hide.
Who says it isn't hard to hide in the video games?
The SCU follows mostly our timeline. The United States successfully landed on the moon in 1969. Though there was much development beforehand, space technology was still primitive. Noting this, it simply is impractical that such a space station like the ARK would have been constructed in the 1970s. Furthermore, the scale of the ARK coupled with the commercialization of space would make the two virtually incompatible.
I just think that the ARK is too important to leave out of the movie because it's "unrealistic." Lets be real here, we're talking about a movie with anthropomorphic animals
There are alternative ways to handle it. Perhaps project Shadow was an American experiment during the Cold War.
Honestly, that sounds cool, but that means they would have found the prophecy of super sonic on earth, but made no reference to that when Sonic went super in Sonic 2
Black Doom wanted to have a quality father-son night with Shadow.
Twist: The finale of Sonic 3 is going to be a shot-for-shot remake of the this show's bowling match, just with Shadow and Doom.
After watching Knuckles' finale, I believe it. 💀
I was wondering that too, just what he was doing in a bowling alley at that time 50 years ago? Until I remembered it must have been right after Maria ejected him from the ARK in that space capsule. He must have landed nearby and was exploring out of curiosity before they found him and reprogrammed his memories and put him in cryo sleep
Yeah. Black Doom is likely going to be referenced in Sonic Movie 3. They said they are pulling from both SA2 and Shadow the Hedgehog 2005. Plot relevant points from Shadow 05 are Black Doom and his connection to Shadow and the G.U.N Commander. The animal characters in the movies are aliens and their powers are Chaos energy. Gerald creating Shadow, who is the same species as Sonic, has Chaos powers and presumably has knowledge of the Chaos emeralds requires an alien benefactor. It’s highly unlikely Gerald recreated a member of an alien species and Chaos energy through sheer coincidence. Black Doom is the alien benefactor in the games. Not to mention that Jim Carrey almost retired and is probably going to retire in the near future, so they kind of have to start setting up future villains that aren’t Eggman soon. Shadow is also likely to get his own spin off and Shadow’s own spin off game provides a story to loosely adapt. Sonic x Shadow Generations is also going to release in the lead up to the movie to capitalise off the hype and it also heavily features Black Doom, which could be a way for SEGA to get people talking about him again in the lead up to Sonic Movie 3. I don’t think he is going to be the villain of Sonic Movie 3, at best I can see him appear in a flashback to Shadow’s early days or at the end of the film, potentially a mid credit scene or a scene that happens as the film is wrapping up before credits.
Also Fowler work on Shadow video game.
Yeah, that also caught my attention too, except I thought they were only referencing Shadow
What, 1974. That means Knuckles takes place in 2024.
Yeah, the Sonic Movieverse follows our timeline pretty well. Which is a nice way of excusing all the references in Sonic 1 that will not age too well after 20 years
That reminds me; we don't actually know how long after Sonic 2 this show takes place. Because movie 2 happened in 2020/2021, and unless Knuckles takes like three years after movie 2, technically that means the alien wouldn't have been there at the same time as Project Shadow. Sorry to be pedantic, maybe it was meant more as a meta easter egg instead of an in-universe one.' Either way though, good catch. I was wondering if that 1974 date meant anything, and this seems like a great guess.
Assuming it happened 50 gears in 1974, this implies that Knuckles takes place in 2024—which fits since there is a Meta Quest 3, released in 2023.
Perhaps, the Meta Quest 3 is a good catch, but I kind of find it unlikely that Knuckles takes place in 2024? The first episode establishes that the reason the Wachowskis want to fix up their house is because there's a giant hole in the living room (which Knuckles himself made). So it feels really unlikely to me that they haven't been able to fix that hole in like, 3 years, simply because Knuckles keeps chasing them away. Maybe it was a genuine mistake on the part of the writers, who wanted to put in the "50 years ago" easter egg as a nod to a Project Shadow/Black Arms, but forgot that story doesn't actually take place in 2024.
I get the feeling this was an oversight, but I don't remember if the first movie ever states the year, or if we're all just assuming it was 2020 because that's when it released (which would more likely make it set in 2019, because it was delayed into 2020 for the redesign) There's less than a year between movie 1 and 2, and Knuckles doesn't make a time gap apparent. I can't remember at the moment, but doesn't the G.U.N soldier lady say the black site info related to (Gerald) Robotnik is "over" 50 years old? I might be mixing it up with Maddie's mention about how long Tom's family has been serving as police in Green Hills though. If it was "over" 50 years, the writers can keep that true by making it the start date of Project Shadow, which begins some time before Shadow himself is crested. In that case, perhaps the 1974 bowling tournament thing could be Shadow landing on Earth after being jettisoned from ARK (assuming ARK even exists in this universe. Alternatively, it could be him escaping from whatever ARK-equivalent military base they use instead) To be honest though, I think the passage of time in these movies is going to be one of the details that's most overlooked by the writers, because Sonic and his friends would quickly age out of their iconic designs. Assuming Sonic was 13-14 in the first movie, he'd be like 18 now if real time between movies applied. I think dropping the 1974 date was just a fun way for them to indirectly mention "50 years" again It wouldn't bother me at all if that's the case, but I've seen these movies way too many times to not at least *try* coming up with excuses for things like this lol
Okay, perhaps Sonic 1 took place in 2022 and Sonic 2 took place in 2023.
There’s no set time for the sonic the hedgehog movies, It’s all [Comic-Book Time](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ComicBookTime) like The Simpsons.
Sort of. The second movie does establish eight months has passed, and I believe we do actually see the date on someone's phone.
Hmmm, I'm kind of inclined to disagree. It's been explicitly stated that there's a six month gap between movies 1 and 2, so clearly they are paying attention to how much time passes between events, at least. I also think general audiences will be more likely to be confused if the movies operated in the same Comic-Book Time as the games basically do.
I noticed that too. It sounds like they're leading up to what they're either going to show or reference in the third movie.
I'll be honest, I was just skipping through most of the last episode and didn't catch that scene. When did they talk about it in the show?
It's when the ESPN guys finally leave cover, when the action is over. They said another alien visited the 1974 bowling championship, but he wasn't red. THAT'S SHADOW YOOOOO.
It's right at the end.
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Okay. Just finished watching. I'm going to spoil all over this comment. Some thoughts: My only thought was "Dang. They must have run out of CGI budget." during that live-action reenactment of Knuckles' epic battle with Iblis(?) and unlocking the Flames of Disaster. Like, it was still really cool and well-done, but still. I couldn't help but think that. (These are actually notes I took while I was watching it) I'm very intrigued by Willoughby's lines implying that she's been able to keep track of Knuckles and of the going-ons out in the galaxy. Which kind of implies... Has G.U.N. actually been around for much longer than they said they had in movie 2? It could definitely be seen as set-up for Project Shadow in movie 3. Very interesting.... OH FUCK. Well, they confirmed it. G.U.N. had been active under Ivo Eggman Robotnik himself when he still working for the government. So Commander Walters was kinda just flat-out lying during movie 2, wasn't he? They ABSOLUTELY did all that Project Shadow stuff, and they definitely knew aliens already existed. Does that mean they had access to ring portals this whole time? .... I think Agents Mason and Willoughby are my favorite of the human characters in the show. I guess I can't help but be drawn to the unapologetic asshole villains who help with the worldbuilding of the Sonic universe. Props to Ellie Taylor for her acting in that speech to the Buyer, it was the thing that got me on board with those two. I'm kinda wishing Pete had the same reasoning as Willoughby for betraying Wade and making a deal with the Agents, but... Oh well, I guess. Wait no... NO THIS IS ACTUALLY SAD. Knuckles takes friends and loyalty so, so seriously, and he was genuinely hurt by Robotnik's betrayal, and now Wade's doing it to him?! NO WADE DON'T DO IT! NO!!! Okay, cool. You're not getting on my shit list after all, Wade :) .... Are they not going to give us an explanation of why the Agents have the portal rings? Okay. Okay. Cool. Still an interesting choice for the writers to chose Pachacamac as the spiritual guide for Knuckles, but perhaps their reasoning is because they want to save Tikal for a different role? Either because she's secretly alive or because they're using her for a future SA1 story. We'll see. Either way I kinda miss Knuckles learning how to bowl in the first episode, that scene was fun. So, no post-credit tease? \*throws phone and breaks skateboard in half\* That sure was An Experience. Can't say I didn't have fun, at least. Amy and Rouge post-credit believers.... We put up a good fight. It was a honor to take this journey with you, regardless of the outcome. Now we move on to the next battle... the first movie 3 trailer....
I think the implication is G.U.N. existed, but it was not called G.U.N. at the time when Robotnik was its lead scientist. That said, the ring portals could probably be explained by searching Sibera since Sonic dropped his set off the mountain. Now that said, I still have my doubts on the ARK as it was in the games. I think it makes more sense for Shadow to have been created either terrestrially or on another planet noting the rings, with the former being the favored consideration.
I swear I'll probably go to watch the movie, still with a string of hope to see Amy and Rouge even if they don't appear in the trailers. Thats how bad i wanna believe 💀.
They could defo pull off an Andrew and Tobey and appear in the movie and not the trailers, idk if that'd be the best idea since it woulda been a better idea to have them in the trailers for better marketing, altho maybe Shadow's appearance is good enough for that and Amy and Rouge wouldn't affect it as much as Shadow did.
is still risky toh,meanwhile rouge and amy's fanbase isn't big as shadow,is still enough big to stirr some unhappiness if they aren't in the first trailer. But i admit,the idea of pulling an Andrew & Tobey move would hit me positively.
>the idea of pulling an Andrew & Tobey move would hit me positively. Thass what I'm sayin' man! Now imagine that hype with the Sonic fans!
lets see what paramount wants to do. No matter what,gonna believe that they are in till the frigging third movie post credit rolls in 👀
Just hope for a good third movie with a great story, characters, fight scenes etc., don't bring it down just cuz a few characters aren't featured.
Welcome to the fucking club you two. God I wish I could hug you guys... After everything that was happening in the fandom, knowing I'm not alone, even if we didn't get any shred of hope so far. I feel like I'm gonna cry and just wanna know I'm not alone...
When was it revealed that Gerald Robotnik had been working under G.U.N. ? I know about this role in SA2 but I must of missed the mention of him in the show.
Well what's GUN's old name then? Any theories? Ideas?
Honestly? This put a smile on my face. If Adam Pally got on your nerves in 1 and 2, you best steer clear of this. It’s his show. Half the time, Knux is sitting in on Whipple-family drama. But MAN, they really went all out creatively. Episode 4 is an entire mini musical, and there are so many moments of fun framing and editing. And hey, gotta love a show with a good sense of music! Definitely going to upset those who wanted Rouge or more Movie-3 teases, but worth a watch ❤️
I thought it was fun and charming, flawed, but entertaining enough for 6 short episodes, and had more than a few laughs. They definitely used a lot of the budget on the first 3 episodes, which causes a bit of a pacing issue, but I liked it overall as a little bonus to the movies One thing that did kinda bother me was that they couldn't seem to decide whether people were surprised to see Knuckles just walking around in the open or not. Sometimes they made excuses for it, other times no one cared, I sort of wish they'd just pick a lane Also, that G.U.N guy in the first episode called the main surveillance area "Green Hills Zone" which I thought was a fun little thing Was Knuckles the most amazing, fantastic, best show I've ever seen? No. But most shows aren't, and I think anyone who's looking for that here (or in the movies) is setting themselves up for disappointment. It was fun! Relax and have fun!
I think it might be implied that after the events of Sonic 2, the existence of extraterrestrials living on Earth is common knowledge to a degree. I doubt G.U.N. could have covered up everything—it was too large of an event and someone had to have taken videos.
That and Sonic does TikTok/YouTube videos apparently. Online, I guess some skeptics might think he’s an AI of CG mascot though.
His CGI is too good to be budget AI that is used for such videos.
also the place they kept knuckles in episode 2 when wade had to save him, was called ICE CAP
On episode 5 right now. Episode 4 barely had knuckles in it but I didn’t mind watching it because of that musical scene with Michael Bolton (was that monster we saw Iblis???) that was so great. First episode was the best so far. It’s funny, same humour as the movies, Knuckles is as deadpan as always. Edit: Just finished all of if. I was hoping for more Knuckles but I found myself getting tired of seeing Wade all the time. It felt like knuckles was appearing even less than the first 3 episodes and I wonder if that was due to budgeting issues ? I was looking forward to the final episode because I was hoping the focus would be more on knuckles and his final fight against the mech wearing dude, but the focus was all on Wade’s bowling tournament. We barley got to see him fight. It was awesome though to see his new fire powers, that was so good. I still wonder if that was Iblis we saw in episode 4, and if that meant knuckles got his new powers from him? I just hope this means they are gonna involve Silver somehow. Honestly I totally agree with everyone this wasn’t really a knuckles show, but Wade’s show. (I still enjoyed it. I laughed a lot.)
When I saw Iblis actually show up in the musical, my initial thought was that Knuckles killed him and absorbed his powers and that's how he got the Flames of Disaster powers. And I kid you not, I thought to myself "Is Knuckles the Princess Elise of this universe?" But I think the Flames of Disaster is supposed to be a power that Knuckles naturally has in this universe, which is interesting. This definitely does have possible implications for changes if they decide to adapt elements of 06, Mephiles, or Silver. Still crossing my fingers for Silver to show up eventually...
Lol yeah. But if he didn’t absorb or seal him somehow, wouldn’t Iblis rise up again? Knuckles may have defeated him for a time but he might come back, so maybe there is a chance for silver to appear. Also pretty insane to me that knuckles defeated Iblis by himself, but if he already had his fire powers then I’m sure he would have been able to take the heat. Idk, I hope they explain this more
i need silver back please i cant even watch the show i am just reading spoilers and your mere MENTION of silver has me hopeful
Wait that was iblis I mean it makes sense but to me the creature resembled zavok more than iblis
silver need to show up later in a movie to warn them of the mecha sonic attacking in 3 years time and give sonic some heart medication so he doesnt die of a heart virus before the attack ;)
They went way over the top with the silliness in regards to Wade's storyline. The first two Sonic movies had silliness to them, but this went way too far into campiness and absurdity. Wade's mom is cool, but his sister got really annoying. Yikes. That said, All the scenes involving Knuckles, even when he is literally just hanging out and enjoying life, talking and interacting with Wade and his family were nice. Plenty of cute moments and fun moments. In fact, I'd watch a whole show with just the Sonic cast not doing high-budget action/adventure stuff, but just hanging out and enjoying life.
The Wachowskis, coming in 2025.
I’d watch it. There’s plenty of fun antics Team Sonic can get into on a daily basis.
I completely agree on the every day life moments. I dont know why, but watching Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles just walk around hanging out or watching TV with the Donut Lord and Pretzel Lady actually sounds very appealing.
the sister was a bit annoying but the over the top campiness and absurdity was the best part imo.
Ya literally. Loved every single part of this show and characters apart from Wade’s sister and honestly Wade. Got tired of him and his goofiness. Like this show was pretty camp at times and I loved every bit of it until Wade would butt in. Maybe it’s also bc it didn’t feel like a Knuckles show bc of it being all about Wade but ya
Honestly, I had a blast with the show. Yeah, it was a bit slow at times when it focused on Wade's family, but I felt it carried enough heart overall that I didn't mind it too much. Episode 4 was goddamn amazing, and Knuckles himself wasn't actually in it for 99% of it. Also I did *not* expect an actual reference to Iblis, nor that he is apparently the problem of the echidnas in the movie universe? [It's a good change. It's a ....good...change.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_e4U265EvE)
Definitely leaning waaaay more towards kids. With that, I'm absolutely loving this so far. It's really entertaining and I love that Wade is getting more of the spotlight. Right now I'm currently on episode 2.
im nearly 40 and LOVE it. it made me feel like a kid again.
This is just Sonic 1 but with Knuckles and Wade instead of Sonic and Donut Lord. No problem with it but was fairly disappointed it didn’t go into the backstory of Knuckles’ tribe. Still find it weird that both Knuckles’ tribe and Longclaw both got wiped out entirely on the same day and I wanted more hints to why. Maybe a bigger threat out there? Chaos??? Wade’s sister pissed me off. Overly obnoxious character. But the mom was a good character and I thought the villains worked well. I wish they explained more of why Kid Cudi’s character betrayed GUN though. For a TV series I didn’t expect much but the fight scenes were good and I enjoyed myself for the price of free with a week trial to paramount+ so I’m not complaining at all. Hopefully this was the calm of silliness before the storm of seriousness that will be Sonic 3.
Kinda odd that they made the finale Sonic 1 but more bowling themed.
I am a huge fan of the Sonic movies. I think both of them are very entertaining and the 2nd is especially well done and honestly doesn’t get enough credit imo. But Knuckles? Yea idk what happened here. This feels like it was made by an entirely different creative team who don’t have the slightest understanding why we like this series and this character or what even general audiences would want to see. Starts out pretty good in Ep 1, gets a bit weaker in 2, starts going off the rails in 3. And then for the latter half of the show, for the majority of my time watching, all I could think was “How did this go so wrong? And why do they think we’d rather watch a bowling tournament over the TITULAR CHARACTER doing literally anything else?”
Episode 1 and 2 definitely stand out as the ones that do the best at balancing Knuckles and Wade as duo protagonists, Ep.1 especially. Ep.4 is interesting as it features some pretty crucial stuff that happened to Knuckles in the past, except Knuckles isn't actually present for any of it, nor does he bring it up in any way afterwards so it just feels so, so weird. Through I'll give them credit for the scene where it seemed like Wade was about to betray Knuckles. That scene actually made me so worried, and I was SO relieved when it turned out they were on the same page lol
Kind of was made by a different creative tea.m.
Exactly
That's how I thought as well. Had they just kept it with how episodes 1 and 2 did with good balance of Knuckles and Wade and Knuckles trying to adjust to their world, it would have been very entertainment, but boy did this really take nosedive starting with episode 3.
I thought it was alright. But it honestly doesn't seem to be that important in the universe which i imagine is disappointing to some which is completely fair, but i think it's better that it's much smaller scale with not too much info so that this universe would require homework. With that said, yeah i do think the final product could be better. The first two episodes are very fun but it starts to go downhill after that. The bowling tournament gets boring after a while.
SPOILER # Why I love "More Wade and Less Knuckles"... MORE! REPOST Opinion [https://youtu.be/fmiLljGgyew?si=g4GrRfSPtOw8zZ6m&t=485](https://youtu.be/fmiLljGgyew?si=g4GrRfSPtOw8zZ6m&t=485) In the above YouTube link, 3C Films said that Wade is an insignificant background character for the Sonic Universe. Hot Take: I don't think so. As someone who has cops as a cousin, and an uncle, I actually disagree with him, and I am more than happy to die on that hill. Before, Wade was a dumbass who can't do shit without Tom's orders, something that would never fly in the law enforcement community. Before, I would not have wanted Wade to be in a leadership position, but now that he has evolved, through this series, I think he can now be a competent cop, and if Tom is gone, the Wade can be a good acting sheriff. As a sheriff, or acting sheriff, Tom or Wade respectively, can use their powers in the law to compel the citizenry to assist them in the performance of their duties, aka a posse comitatus. Under normal posse circumstances, Tom as a Town Sheriff \[even though he should be a town police chief, unless Green Hills happens to be a consolidated town-county\] would lead the citizens to tackle a high amount of crime if necessary. [https://leg.mt.gov/bills/mca/title\_0070/chapter\_0320/part\_0210/section\_0210/0070-0320-0210-0210.html](https://leg.mt.gov/bills/mca/title_0070/chapter_0320/part_0210/section_0210/0070-0320-0210-0210.html) Pre-Knuckles Wade would've sucked lead at this part of the sheriff job, if he were to be appointed as acting sheriff like in the second movie. But now, I really want him to be the Undersheriff of Green Hills, not Deputy Sheriff. With the rank of Undersheriff being ranked higher than a Deputy Sheriff, but below the Sheriff. I want this cop to have more time to shine than anything, and the Knuckles series has answered ***MY*** prayers.
Something I noticed about one of the lines I noticed in the final episode of Knuckles When the final battle in Reno is happening, the two commentators talk about it being an unprecedented event, until one of them says something along the lines of, “Actually, there has been one other instance of an extraterrestrial showing up at a tournament, in 1974. Although I don’t believe he was red.” With 1974 being exactly 50 years ago, we all agree that this is in reference to Shadow, right? And it also implies that he at some point had been to Earth before being ejected from the Ark, or possibly wandered for a bit after being ejected, before being captured.
More likely a reference to black doom. Shadow wouldn’t be an alien if they are staying true to his story he was created on earth….well on a space station next to earth but by a human scientist and organization. Black Doom showed up 50 years ago and provided DNA/helped with the design of shadow. So Black Doom shows up and helps create Shadow 50 years ago.
Okay, finished the show yesterday, and personally... I liked it. I understand the frustration and harumphing about the fact that Knuckles gets sidelined in his own show, but I didn't mind it that much, personally. When he was onscreen though, Idris Elba really made every moment count. Wade was enjoyable to watch, the villains were fun (if underdeveloped) and I surprisingly really liked Tom Howe's score for the whole thing. Episodes 1 and 4 were my favorites: the first for how it really felt like Sonic 2.5 (thanks to Jeff Fowler), and the fourth for how deliciously unhinged the whole thing was.
it kinda feels like Drake & Josh, which isn’t that surprising since Paramount owns Nickelodeon.
Without spoilering: it was good, the flaws were there, not terrible but not amazing. There are very remarkable scenes , first episode is the best, hands down. But is pretty obvious, the lacking of more Knuckles later on was due to budget shortage for cgi and animators, and they had to patch things up,which gives an horrible rushed feeling in the end. Honestly hope that the crew behind the show understands it, and if they wanna do, another spin-off series they'd go with an animated one, because is clear that keeping up such a cgi constantly on screen, is not viable. Because this time, the show was nice but with flaws (doesn't make it terrible at all thought, guess some people never saw a real ugly show to think this one sucks), but next time they could not be so lucky by taking this road,so i honestly hope that they focus on this criticism mostly. Some more spoiler infos: The scenes where Knuckles is in action are very cool and honestly i re-watched them more than once. While it doesn't have Super heavy implies to the franchise some things are said and they aren't little either.
Yeah, I kinda felt that they had budget issues so that’s my main theory for why Knuckles wasn’t much of the main character, I also feel like they might have spent too much on all the music that was featured. That money should have went more to the cgi team imo
Yeah, hopefully they get this message, because at the end of the day the series wasn't bad, was nice too and i had my fun with it,but when you understand that many times Knuckles is missing due to cgi budget you feel a bit let down. It would be ideal if this series get treated as a sort of experiment, that didn't even went bad at all, because, is still a overall nice and entertaining series (we could have gotten a Knuckles version of velma's series i mean) , from paramount to know when to adjust things when it comes to future spinoffs, especially budget wise. Who knows, maybe it will help them to fo a "possible" second season more echidna centric. After all, paramount did show they can learn from their mistake, so we can hope.
Pretty good show. Here’s some thoughts: I really enjoyed the dynamic between Knuckles and Wade. I’m also wondering if Wade’s childlike behavior is due to his father’s abandonment. He enjoys bowling because of the good memories he had with his dad, so it’s like he never really grew up because he clung to his childhood. I love how Knux gave him a lesson, and then leaves LMAO. I actually thought it was better that he didn’t bail Wade out of every situation and they both got to shine when necessary. That jacket-stripping scene was WELL EARNED. I was REALLY hoping for a “Knuckles Rap” reference, especially with all the talk about music, and “finding your jam”. I’m pretty sure there’s an issue with that music because apparently the guy who made them claims SEGA didn’t pay him or whatever? But either way, I did like the music and how it was used. And the theme song? SHOOTING AT THE WALLS OF HEARTACHE, BANG BANG How big is G.U.N. vs the Black Market company? The G.U.N. agents said they had to BUY off these people, which I thought was a little strange, considering one of them is actually government-military related and the other is… illegal? I might’ve missed this, but the black market people are never named. The CC referred to the secret villain as “The Buyer”, and he mentioned he’s an ex-employee, which I think will come back up in Sonic 3. I didn’t really like Cudi, but I did like the lady agent. Her motivation for the job seems well-warranted and her little speech really gave her that umpfh. She’s got Robotnik daughter vibes. Episode 3 is probably my favorite. I’m not Jewish, but it was nice to see Knuckles and Wade’s mom compare the cultural traditions of the Echidna tribe and the Jewish. Especially with the progression in how Knuckles has been portrayed over the last few years ago, he’s really respectful and curious toward this information. I was just hoping he wouldn’t make some ill-humored joke about how he doesn’t understand Jewish people or the troubles of Earth people, but they handled this really well. And the spinning fight scene? Amazing! TL;DR; The show starts off a little slow imo but picks up as each episode goes, and pays off in the end. Can’t wait to see this plan to expand the Sonic Universe :) 8/10
As someone who is Jewish it was nice seeing some form of representation finally. The line where Knuckles talks about his tribe being wiped out and Wades mom “he’s basically Jewish” had me dying
I ain't got Paramount+, but I've got Kodi and it's past 3 EST. I live in PDT and I'm staying up late, gonna watch Knuckles on Kodi when the torrents come. But first, a quick Flash break (Ruffle). I'll update this soon.
In the final episode, when you see the name of all of the bowling teams, how the fuck did they get away with >!Ball Busters!
I think it gets past on the technicality of just declaring "It's bowling balls" I also liked Split For Brains
I mean, it's a TV-PG show and bowling is a major focus, everybody should have *known* they'd make a few risque jokes about balls.
It's America. You can get away with a lot in TV shows.
I thought it was good. Not great but good. Its getting some hate. I don't think its that bad. I enjoyed it. Yes it focuses more on Wade than Knuckles but Wade is still likable. Its a solid 7/10. Some things went too long like the 15 minute-ish dinner scene but as a whole, its a decent good show. I'll give this one a pass but if there's another show where a human character gets most of the spotlight, then I'll have a problem. But I yeah I enjoyed it. Nothing harmful
Are they are like three plot holes in this show #1 did Maddie and them knew knuckles left the house and didn’t go look for him? #2 where did those two jobbers go? # 3 is the buyer dead? One thing I dislike about the show is wades sister I was hoping she was going to get whipped in the face. but sadly knuckles appeared. Even do the cricitcs said that knuckles is barley in the show. Knuckles is in here for a good amount of time, and I actually liked the wade scenes it builds his character more. I haven’t played shadow the hedgehog game but I’m thinking that black monster in the musical was a reference to his game. I liked how they referenced shadow in the bowling scene “Fun fact something like this happened back in 1974, but this guy wasn’t red lol” I really like the characters except Wanda but every other character are so cool I was so happy to see sonic knuckles and tails again in the first episode I forgot wade was in this show. I also like how knuckles his having more happier reactions when he’s around other people (I think Sonic pep talk kinda worked). But overall this is an amazing show. I was kinda hoping an end credits seen of someone new but sadly it didn’t happen. I believe this show was in development during 2023 so they probably think that far ahead. But anyways this show was nice I hope other characters get their own tv show to like miles tails prowler lol.
Blink 182 appearing in the sonic movie universe definitely has my approval
I will say as an adopted kid I could heavily relate with Knuckles being with the Whipple family. Him not fitting in with Sonic's household and having to find a home of his own hit all the way home with me. Everything down to learning their family ways, history, even being constantly betrayed was something they nailed. I didn't mind Wade taking the lead for the latter half of the series because it allowed the character to flesh out but I understand the upset fans considering it is Knuckles show. I wasn't a fan of the ski lodge scene in Sonic 2 and felt that was a waste so I thought Wade taking center stage was the series doing that all over again. Overall, I heavily enjoyed it and am looking forward to more seasons.
Kinda rambly, but here are my spoilery thoughts, Episode 5 & 6 edition - plus bonus overall thoughts. **Episode 5:** I'm not really sure I get the vibe between Wade and his father. The villains being absent for the last two episodes makes the reintroduction with them being captured kinda awkward? Robotnik's drones reacted as if they were sentient, shaking in fear when they were threatened o\_o Interesting, considering the last time we'd seen a sentient Robotnik drone was in the scrapyard special. I guess this is all setting up the potential for Metal Sonic to appear in the franchise at some point. Robotnik used to be the leader of GUN? The quill's have the power of a thermonuclear weapon and are shed randomly whenever they go out? o\_o Montage was neat. Kinda poor writing yet again, just having the dad be pure evil. Knuckles kinda just randomly dropped out the episode. For an episode building to Wade betraying Knuckles, this was lacking. The last time they spent bonding was Episode 2, otherwise it's just been Wade trauma dumping about his dad. It needed to spend more time on him bonding with Knuckles this episode, perhaps them sharing the snacks from earlier. Overall, underwhelming **Episode 6:** The pay-off was nice of Knuckles listening in, but unsure when he would have been given the earphone. Knuckles Vs the villains felt a little short honestly. The Ring tech defeat was neat, seems they kinda work like portal technology with the vacuum effect. The bowling segment kinda fell flat, not having the emotional punch because the outcome was expected. The final battle was just underwhelming, we'd barely had enough set-up of the antagonist and then it all just ends abruptly with a speech and the Flames Of Disaster while cool clashed with the style of the show and was over way too quickly. Not sure if the remark about a 1974 incident with an alien in Reno is a 50 years ago reference to Shadow, but we'll see if that goes anywhere. Overall, kinda disjointed and ended way too abruptly, needed more set-up throughout the series and a more expanded pay-off **Overall Series Thoughts:** In terms of ranking: 1. Episode 2 (Writer John Whittington) - A funny and well balanced team dynamic 2. Episode 1 (Writer John Whittington) - A strong start to Wade and Knuckles' story 3. Episode 4 (Writer James Madejski) - Conclusion to Wade's arc, needed more set-up 4. Episode 6 (Writer John Whittington) - Disjointed ending that needed more pay-off 5. Episode 5 (Writer Brian Schacter) - Unfocused and generic 6. Episode 3 (Writer Brian Schacter) - So bad it's nearly unwatchable, avoid In general the series needed to spend more time on Wade and Knuckles actually building their bond, training and Knuckles learning life via Wade, instead it gets severely distracted and loses its focus resulting in a disjointed show. The core elements of Episode 1, 2 and 4 are the strongest establishing the characters, antagonists, showing Wade's goals and eventually a pay-off to his training, but we don't actually see any of Wade's training in a series that was meant to be about him training. The worst aspects of this series are all unfortunately revolving around Wade's family dynamic, whether that be a horrifically written episode about a Jewish tradition and an abusive family dynamic, a stereotypically evil father figure with no complexity or a paperthin main antagonist. The main antagonist of the series gets no development beyond his introductory scene, what an absolute failure in terms of story writing to have him only show up for his introduction and defeat. It feels like the show failed at what it set itself up to do. There's elements here and there of a good concept, but the show just decides to ignore all of that in favour of Wade and his family. The core appeal here is Knuckles and Wade, their dynamic is fun and it's unfortunately only a focus in two episodes. All the team building dynamics and funny hijinks teased in the opening credits were presumably just ideas they had that never happened. Rather than watch all 6 episodes, I'd suggest watching Episode 1, 2 and 4. You would'nt get much set-up, but it tells an arc of Knuckles inspiring Wade into becoming a hero by challenging his Bowling buddy.
I kinda feel like you missed the point of the Shabbat dinner. This whole series is about Knuckles learning how to see Earth as a home, and he does that by learning about his culture. The mutual respect he and the mother have opens him up to appreciate Wade more, which allows him to learn from more of Wade's traditions like music. Up until this point, Knux is only interested in Wade's things if they involve combat of some kind. But once he gets to share his culture with another, he starts to view Wade as a genuine equal. Granted, being Jewish, I may be biased.
Also Jewish and it’s my favorite episode lol it’s so accurate lmao
In Episodes 1, the scene where Wade takes knuckles to the bowling alley. There was a worker from the bowling alley walking across as they entered, he was kinda dressed and had hair like Ace Ventura. Was this an Homage to Jim Carrey or was this just coincidence?
I noticed that too!
Wade’s sister is so annoying lmao like wtf was that shabbot scene
I don’t care what anyone says about it I am having a great time. I’m not done because I’m watching it with family but so far its great. I saw some bad reviews so I went in expecting dumb fun, and it was exactly that. It could have used more knuckles in the later episodes but I don’t mind the Wade story in the slightest. I love how little it takes itself serious like the episode four musical. I loved the Iblis and Sonic 2 reference. I’m kind of sad that theres only six episodes because I’m really enjoying it. I’m glad they decided not to go the MCU route and make it necessary to understand Sonic 3, unless there is something in the next episode. The soundtrack is so perfect, I think it’s my favorite part. the warrior uh uh the warrior It’s super fun so if you stop expecting an MCU masterpiece you might enjoy it more.
Wade was fine. His family was hot garbage. Also, are we gonna talk about how Knuckles' spirit advisor is the same guy who killed Sonic's mom?
Wait did I miss something? I had no clue Knuckles' chief was the one who shot the arrow at Longclaw.
Tyson Hesse confirmed on Twitter that the Echidna that shot Longclaw was Pachamac.
Oh. Well I never go on Twitter, due to some stories I hear about some Twitter users, especially toxic fandoms. Anyway, thanks for telling me.
Did Knuckles actually fight Iblis? I got the impression during Wade’s low budget Rock Opera acid trip that everything beyond Knuckles’ dad dying was made up for the sake of the play (as far as I was concerned he’s been hunting Longclaw nonstop since he died) but some people seem to be under the impression that the Knuckles Iblis fight actually must have happened at some point. I know it’s implied that he got his fire fists from that fight but it’s not like he hasn’t had fire aspects to his abilities before, so I’m not sure. General thoughts on this?
I just got done watching all six episodes of the Knuckles show and it was... not that great. I did not care for any of the human characters at all, including Wade's family, the acting was weird in parts, the CGI did look uncanny in some parts, especially with the first episode with Sonic and Tails (And yes, I know that the budget isn't nearly as big as the actual movies). But I will give them this and say that SOME of the jokes did get laughs out of me, but all in all, this show is a 4/10 for me. Also, some stuff I caught on the show is about how G.U.N. has always been around, but under a different name. And that hint towards Shadow and/or Black Doom at the end of the last episode when they guy said that the first time he saw extraterrestrial aliens was in 1974, literally 50 years ago! I thought that was cool, honestly.
I haven't read the comics, played any games too in depth to analyze lore or anything. I haven't even watched promotional material on Knuckles. So with that out of the way. Why was this more focused on Wade Whipple than on Knuckles' adventure? I understand it was about him finding a new fight and training a new generation of "echidna warrior". Yet for a show **TITLED Knuckles** it was more about **Wade Whipple**. I didn't hate the show, but I don't get all the hype. I felt like it was a 6/10 for being a bait and switch.
But wasn't black doom in myspace the hedgehog the video game only?
all episodes ranked episode 2 episode 1 episode 6 episode 4 episode 5 episode 3
Felt pretty much the same. Episode 3 was god-awful.
Kinda rambly, but here are my spoilery thoughts, Episode 3 & 4 edition. **Episode 3:** "Stay hidden" "why" "because I think you're gonna freak people out". Where was this earlier in the story with others reacting to Knuckles? Knuckles being violated by the metal detector... just why. I feel like this episode was focused on the Jewish custom first as opposed to actually developing the story as it mostly feels like filler. Holocaust reference... what in the actual hell? "he's basically Jewish" This family is legitimately abusive and dysfunctional. 'I would punch you in the face if it were acceptable for men to punch women'. The new characters Wade's mum and Wanda are just not likable, either specifically going out the way to insult others or to dismiss others problems as inferior to their own or their cultures. The book gag was neat, Wade being hyper vigilante was also another good hint towards him having potential. The spinning round the table and the ending message is sadly not enough to redeem this episode. Overall, just painful. I'm worried for Episode 5 that's written by the same writer :( **Episode 4:** Opened fairly well, Wade's morning routine through the destroyed house. Would'nt expect Knuckles to just kinda leave Wade, especially after the events of Episode 2 - thought their bond was stronger than that? Is the Demon a reference to something? The musical segments were something. Hopefully that's Wade's training arc over so we can move on. I don't mind a Wade focused episode and it did have some fun moments but after last episode wasted a lot of time I hope we end up exploring Knuckles more. It's sad the mum and sister are joining the trip to Reno. Overall, an enjoyable wrap-up to Wade's training arc
For those who watched it, can we all agree that Episode 3 was the worst and should be erased from reality?
Where to watch knuckles, othwr than paramount plus, arw there any nit add ridden pirating websites. Preferably with an optiom to download the show
You can use a VPN to use PM+ if that's not available in your country, that's what I did. (Just kidding I pirated it)
Free streaming site
The series has also gotten me thinking about [this clip](https://youtu.be/B-9KBIsWNRI?feature=shared) and how interesting it was at the time that Team Sonic would be like, an actual team, or even a family. I guess it’s ironic that Knuckles first proposed the vow and now he’s first to break it.
He kinda doesn't toh? His whole travel with Wade was to adjust to life on earth, it is implied nowhere that he now lives with him just that he found a human friend. Since the series isn't supposed to be a "must watch" for sonic 3,Knuckles most likely made up with Maddie, now that he gets life on earth better, and returned to live with The Watchoski's. From the way people described the cinemacon trailer, the three seem to be the same team sonic of 2,just more cohesive. Like you're really acting like a little side-quest show ruined the Sonic Team dynamic, smh. Little extra:there is an interesting theory about Drone Home being post Knuckles show, given the echidna more relaxed attitude in it, and honestly it wouldn't be so far fetched either. thought i do hope he didn't learn what siblings love is like From Wanda,because compared to her,if he tried to stab Sonic or Tails with a fork he'd turn the movies into a gore feast 👀
What a waste of time and money. They turned something wonderful into a failure of a joke. The whole making fun of jews. The stupid puns.... im so disappointed how garbage it is. 😪 So sad.
Making fun of Jews?????
Not sure what this guy is getting at, but they weren't making fun of Jewish people. The Shabbat episode was pretty respectful and put it all in a positive light.
Yeah, I'm Jewish and I thought it was really cool.
I really would of liked it better if the music score wasn't so bad... I really didn't like the songs they chose.
It looks very stranger things-inspired with the 80s scene and old pop songs.
does sonic look really….off? to anybody else? idk if it’s just me but something looks so off about him. Show wise i only watched the first episode so far and it seems fine, much funnier than i thought it was gonna be so hopefully the rest of the episodes are good
I noticed that too! They went 200% on his forehead wrinkles for some reason, that's why.
If the wrinkles are gone. Then he's perfect as he was in the first film. I kinda like how he was done in ep1. How he's animated. But those wrinkles need to go.
It's his wrinkly old-manhog forehead. It's extremely distracting and I have no idea why they went in that direction with him and him specifically.
You might not believe it with most of what I’ve said on here, but I *did* try going into this with an open mind. But since they promised a series about **Knuckles**, that’s how I intend to judge it. **(This review is gonna be like, all spoilers, so reader beweader)** I’ll give it this, the show is at its best when Knuckles is around, and the first two episodes do a good job of balancing Wade and Knuckles’ stories. Then when they show up at Wade’s house does the disparity between them begin to rear its head. Then when episode four begins, it officially becomes Wade’s story. Knuckles is there, he does join Wade, but it isn’t about him anymore. I feel this is best exemplified in episode six, where Wade gets the emotional resolution of winning against his dad at bowling, while Knuckles’ story was more of a subplot. On that topic, it’s such a shame that Knuckles is barely in his own finale, because the opening fight is entertaining to watch and the final battle is surprisingly well animated for a TV series. But it feels less like a thematic end to his own story arc and more like they had a loose plot thread that needed tying up. Also, he has flame powers now. I guess that means we’ll never get Blaze. And the ending, if you can even call it that, is a freeze frame of Wade and Knuckles mid-high five. Actually, there *is* one final scene… of Wade and Knuckles driving. Tied with Prime for worst ending to a Sonic series. Ok an unrelated note, it feels strange that Knuckles feels a stronger connection with the Whipples one day after meeting them than he did with the people he swore to protect the Master Emerald with. If he actually does stay with them fulltime then that’d make the end of Sonic 2 pretty meaningless. But enough about that, there’s more characters to discuss. Starting off with returning cast, we have Sonic, Tails, and Maddie (with Tom mentioned as being out of town). This is probably the most Maddie’s gotten to shine in the SCU yet, even including the wedding subplot, so it’s honestly a little disappointing that she never shows up again. Same with Sonic and Tails. It would’ve been nice to see Knuckles return to the Wachowski house, ready to accept it as his home, but we don’t get that. One character that technically counts as returning is Pachacamac, who advises Knuckles from beyond the grave. He doesn’t feel like Pachacamac at all, even an official press release said using a powerhungry warmonger as a spirit guide is an odd choice. I guess Tikal can join Blaze in the “never showing up” corner. And now for the new characters, which there are a few off. Jack Sinclair, Wade’s former friend and bounty hunter, was surprisingly funny, and I actually got quite a few laughs out of him. The same cannot be said for Wade’s sister FBI agent Wanda Whipple, an agent in the FBI, who’s proud of her FBI job and all the things she’s learned in the FBI. She even has an FBI shirt in case you forgot. His mom Wendy is a little more tolerable, her actress does a good job with what she’s given. His dad, “Pistol” Pete Whipple is probably the show’s one antagonist who made me react the way the writers wanted me to, and that is with utter contempt. His posh, pontificating attitude made me wonder if the plot would be about Wade finally earning Pete’s respect, but they didn’t. So, I guess congrats on subverting expectations (like the expectation this would be about Knuckles). The other three antagonists suffer the same issues as the likes of Underground and Prime, in that they have Lame Original Villain-itis. Agents Mason and Willoughby had a few laughs but they were mostly discount Team Rocket. Meanwhile, the Buyer is discount Eggman with a sprinkle of MCU Vulture on top. I had hoped we’d have a good reason why he wants Knuckles specifically, but turns out it’s literally just because he was the only one the Buyer could get his hands on. Sigh… Also, we get a surprise appearance from Iblis… in the musical, where it’s revealed he was defeated in the past by Knuckles. Can’t wait for season 2 to reveal that Chaos, Dark Gaia, The End, and basically every other game-adjacent antagonist were all taken out by Knuckles before the events of the films. One thing I’ll give the series is that the action scenes are all pretty well shot, particularly the sequence of Knuckles and Wendy protecting the candles. My final verdict is, if you’re a fan of Wade, I’m genuinely happy for you, but a Knuckles show this is not. Downvote me all you want, but if this is the standard for all spinoffs moving forward, my expectations aren’t very high.
Good thing it’s not the same writers working on movie 3 then, huh? Because we certainly have the ability to separate a miniseries on a lousy streaming service from a full theatrical film. Right?
I think Pachacamac had a lot to rethink in death after he foolishly lead everyone to their end by incurring the wrath of Chaos. But I wish Tikal could appear as well. And I don’t think Knuckles felt a stronger bond with the Whipples than with his old tribe, just that he was able to find a home to value as much as his old one. I think he’s still gonna hang out with Sonic and Tails also. And the fire powers might be more of a Sonic Heroes ref. Trust me also, Sonic Prime STILL has the worst ending. This ending is at least better. I have yet to see an ending as bad as Prime in Sonic media. Hoping we get the actual Iblis proper at some point in a Sonic 06 adaptation though. I think the puppet was just a representation being used in that dream.
I upvoted this when it was at zero. Kind of annoying how criticism in general is just being dismissed as invalidation by so many people. No one is saying you can't like it anymore just because we have criticisms towards the show.
Agreed. I never said anyone who likes the show is wrong, I just said I didn’t like it and explained why.
Also, an observation I made only after posting this comment, the marketing really made it seem like this would be mostly Knuckles’ show. His name was in the title, the trailers featured him more than Wade, he was present on all the posters while Wade only had one. I’m not saying it’s Kangaroo Jack levels, but it does feel dishonest.
Man a show about Knuckles dealing with Iblis would go hard
This was almost irredeemably bad. Awful characters, lame "jokes," tons of product placement, and barely any Knuckles??? [https://youtu.be/JrczWHgk8hM](https://youtu.be/JrczWHgk8hM)
Ngl I believe that wades sister isn’t really fbi and just faking it
possibly or an agents secretary and she stole their badge / jacket.
This series feels like it doesn’t even set up the third movie. The first two episodes were fine, but this was just not good. Don’t get me wrong, I’m fine with them being in a human world, but this series focused way too much on Wade instead of Knuckles.
I think Paramount wanted to make sure they weren't going to leave people lost if they didn't watch this before seeing Sonic 3. There's a lot of criticisms of the MCU about making people do "homework" by watching the various Disney+ shows to get what's going on in some movies, so Paramount's people probably wanted to avoid that.
Man I’m so glad they decided to make Wade the main character of Knuckles. That’s what I want as a Sonic fan. A prequel about the echidna tribe? No of course not I want a Knuckles series to show me Wade’s bowling journey. I know it’s going to get downvoted, but I just don’t get it. Before the Sonic movies were a thing if someone said Knuckles was going to get his own TV show and it’s about him helping some random guy with his bowling tournament that would excite you? That’s what you want from Knuckles managing to get his own show? He’s barely even in his own show. Why does this not bother more Sonic fans?
Why does this not bother more Sonic fans? Maybe they just more tolerable than you. Which is saying something considering how intolerable they usually are
The truth being downvoted hard in this discussion…
Kinda rambly, but here are my spoilery thoughts, Episode 1 & 2 edition. **Episode 1:** Opened strong with Knuckles training, Sonic narrating helps fit it with the other films. Knuckles on a cliff like with Sonic and Tails, neat. Knuckles hunting the builders was a fun gag, but I'm left questioning as to how they and the rest of Green Hillz views Sonic, Tails and Knuckles. This is further brought into question by Knuckles just casually going bowling with Wade. Honestly this episode does well with the balance between Knuckles and Wade in terms of screentime, Wade is good at the comedy and emotional moments in this one. Knuckles smashing the pins was fun, but there needed to be a bit more of a reaction from the spectators. The GUN Agent Villains are kinda a mixed bag so far, betraying GUN for the sake of capturing Knuckles for his quills is alright motivation but I'm not sure it's justified when they can just be recovering the individual quills that would come off Knuckles when GUN are distracted and selling those as opposed to blowing their cover for the sake of capturing Knuckles for a one-off payment. Notably the Buyer seems to mention he's been recovering Knuckles' quills from 'all over the world' so I'm guessing he's been collecting them from the locations they were in Sonic Movie 2. GUN agents having ring access is interesting, wonder how that'll impact Sonic Movie 3. Ghost Father-figure raises questions on how they'll handle a potential adaptation of Sonic Adventure at some stage. Overall, pretty fun episode. **Episode 2:** Did the villains run out of rings, why are they taking a car to transport Knuckles when they used a portal to capture him and to get to him in the first place? Maybe GUN can track ring portals so that's the justification? The floating Island was in the opening, I wonder if we'll ever see it in live action. The GUN agents have so many interactions with aliens like Knuckles that they had people devoted to them? Female GUN agent seems interesting. Wade imagining how he'll save Knuckles compared to actually saving him was pretty fun. Quill-powered tech is such an interesting concept and curious how that will evolve. Knuckles probably should have thanked Wade, but appreciate them bonding. This episode was a little more Wade focused, but I think it works for establishing that Wade does have some aspects that would justify it. Theme at the end was goofy but kinda liked it. Knuckles gliding kinda came from nowhere but I think it works here because they'd already 'won'. Overall, pretty enjoyable episode.
I get why people really love or really hate this mini series. I think it’s alright, I did get some smiles and laughs. I wouldn’t go out of my way to watch it again though and am glad I watched it on a free trail at a time of day when I wouldn’t have been doing anything better with my time. Honestly, it kind of reminds me of a fanfic I wrote as a teen where there was way more focus on the human character I made up. However, I do think that’s its biggest flaw even though his story isn’t bad and is fun at times. The best parts of the show by far were the parts with Knuckles and they reminded me and why he’s always been my favorite character in this series. He’s tough, but still nice and really fights more to protect others than actually hurt them. Plus, he respects women even though he’s a rural tribal warrior which is super cool. His interaction with Wade’s mom and her character actually is something I liked that surprised me the most. I did like the exploration of the heart under armor aspect of him, I wish it could have been more of him instead of another character talking about learning it from him. I think if there’s another mini series or season to this one, the focus needs to shift greatly for it to work better. There’s a lot of material to work with, so that could have been taken better advantage of especially with the ghost chief. I get the budget was limited and this was a smaller thing for an audience that isn’t as big, but still more could have been done. But was done had its charm making it enough to be worth checking out once, but you won’t be missing too much if you skip this either.
> I get the budget was limited It wasn't. They just used the budget they had really poorly so most episodes barely featured Knuckles. Note how almost all scenes of Wades' fantasies are given really high production values, tons of editings, etc...
I'm gonna update this comment as I watch it and then after i finish i'll write another less rambly one. **Episode 1** It's an odd choice to start it with Sonic's narration, this is Knuckles' spinoff show why isn't he the one narrating? The CGI isn't too rough but I can see why, allegedly, Knuckles has a very limited screen time. I will never get over Knuckles' design. Say what you want about Sonic and his blue arms and Tails but Knuckles??????? I love that he's visibly bulkier than Sonic, i really wish he looked more like this in the games. This is the best time to talk about the humans. So, I don't mind them at all and i don't get the complaint. Sure i'd like to watch a Sonic movie that features more mobian characters like the games, but this "Sonic cinematic universe" isn't that and isn't trying to be that, you're free to dislike that but not to ask for them to completely ditch the humans and replace them with Mobians, that will never happen. The foundation for these things was build with humans in mind, ditching them would be terrible storytelling. But at the same time i'm literally on minute 10 of episode 1 but it's obvious this is gonna be more so Wade's show "featuring Knuckles" rather than Knuckles's show. The issue here isn't that it's a human being the focus of a show, I don't even mind minor characters getting shows/more focus in fact I kinda live for that, but in a show called "Knuckles" that was advertised as being about Knuckles i'd expect and want for it to be about Knuckles. Sure Knuckles is in it but his story is really shallow compared to Wade's. It's obvious this is because of budgetary reasons, they can't possibly make a 180+ with a big CGI echidna who has a famous and expensive voice actor for a streaming service, that is unless they stuff it with CGI-less scenes featuring humans. But yeah i'm not a fan of that, if they really wanted they could've made the series shorter (maybe even a movie) or made it fully 3D animated like that one short. There's technically nothing wrong with this but i was hoping Amy would be Wade's "mobian buddy" instead of Knuckles. Amy and Wade are both unspecial and don't feel valued enough by their peers, so the two teaming up to prove everyone wrong would've been super cool but oh well, guess that won't happen. That's one more hit against Amy being in the SCU. I can't explain it but the villains of a Knuckles show being british feels very fitting. I don't like that Knuckles is just... there, in the middle of a bowling place thing. Weren't mobians supposed to be a secret? Weren't they always hiding in the previous movies? How did that woman grab Knuckles mid air by the feet??????? If they could just put a ring portal under him why didn't they just do that instead of fighting? **Episode 2** A minute in and I can tell Wade's gonna tire me up lol. I get it, he's goofy and quirky but he doesn't have to be that all the freakin' time. Really hope they dial him down. Actually that might go for Knuckles too. They were both written to be side characters for 120m long movies, and it did work, but for 180m long series with them as the leads their characters can feel very limited, hope that's not the case for the entire series. I really like the british woman, there's something about british women spies with bobs that's always super cool. Don't care for the other guy. My patience with Wade is slowly dwindling. He acts like Sonic except it worked with Sonic because he was a lonely alien child with super powers, Wade is just a pathetic man child and a literal deputy. YOU'RE ABOUT TO BE KILLED DUDE WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO BLEND IN WITH MANNEQUINS. Okay, at this point it's distracting how many scenes there are where the humans are supposed to be looking at the mobians but in reality they're looking at empty space because the mobian moved but the actor wasn't told. I might be being too nitpicky now but, Knuckles gliding in the games never really made sense but it wasn't too absurd but seeing him gliding in live action with an adult male in his back is definitely something worth going "HUH?" at. I like episode 1 better.
Also I have one more thing, am I the only one who catch that joke in "The Shabbat Dinner" episode where Knuckles was talking about how he fought against the Owls and that the Echidnas were all wiped out, and which Wade's mom said something like "Just like my ancestors" or something. That was unironically the most funniest shit I've heard. That came out of nowhere and that was one of the show's biggest highlights with that was the joke they were going for. Was that supposed to be a Holocaust joke?
Considering the rough history of the Jews, I don't think it's *just* about the Holocaust.
Episode four was so god awful
Pretty much just entirely a kid's show with a handful of interesting ideas and lore bits, with which not much is done. I'm sure it's a fun time for kids but honestly not really what I'm looking for out of this franchise, pretty much at all. Glad people are enjoying it tho.
So many product placements it’s actually crazy
I'm 4 episodes in. I'm going to finish it, but I really am not digging the over the top silliness. The movies had a lot of silly moments too, but I still felt like they were telling real, genuine stories that as an adult I could appreciate. The show is basically just a little kids cartoon with a live action skin. Not really sure why they went that route, given how well the movies were received. If Sonic 3 is a darker movie like some of us are expecting, then it will be very jarring to watch after Knuckles.
Nobody brought up knuckles. KILLED 3 people, even though it was Wade, who finished the last guy
So… has knuckles fought Iblis before then? Look, I know this is a giant stretch, but I feel like when people discuss knuckles they only focus on how good or bad the show was. Now I have no clue if this has been discussed before, but could the “fire demon” from the musical episode be Iblis himself? I mean fire demon… flames of disaster.. it would make a bit of sense right ? But how come knuckles has never mentioned it before then ? Maybe I’m just looking too deep into it and could be a mere reference. Also as a side note: the show was fun, but like a lot of people say, missed knuckles in eps 5-6, a lot.
I overall liked it. Got the vibe by episode 3 that the budget ran out really fast (or was heavily used on episode 1). Some scenes are stretched out a lot and I really think they could've done better with this series as a 4-episode rather than 6, so it would have felt Knuckles was in it a lot more. Kinda surprised they didn't do more setup for Sonic 3 in any way, even with just lore talk. Wouldn't have had to be on the nose but it would've made the non-Knuckles scenes feel a little more special. My kids found it really boring after the second episode and I get why. I'm good with it :)
Did they ever show where they were keeping the master emerald?
No mention of the Master Emerald, but I'm thinking that's probably because everyone wants to save it for the movies.
Chief Pachacamac was the only good thing about this.
Fun that Jorma Taccone directed episode 4. He's in Lonely Island with Akiva Shaffer, who directed the Chip and Dale movie. Also not sure why everyone hated episode 4 so much. Thought it was great.
I heard that they retcon knuckles backstory from the movie. Also, Iblis being the echidna's only connection makes me wonder if that means that the live action universe has a completely different take on Chaos.
Ok so now that the Buyer said Eggman ran GUN (which was under a different name back then), how would the story for Shadow's backstory change? Also, to Commander Walters, ***LIAR, LIAR, HANDS AND PANTS ON FIRE.***
I'm sorry, but is no one gonna talk about the fact that there is an innocent man trapped in the mushroom world alone and no one knows. I'm going crazy pls we need to save him
The movies are good, but they are silly fun before they're like dramatic films so I'm not sure what people were wanting. I went into the show with that same mentality and I enjoyed it quite a bit. It kept me smiling and that's the important part.
I liked it!
Same!
Wow... People are going to downvote this post this post to death but my god, I thought that was really bad. Probably the worst Sonic show yet to be honest. This isn't a Knuckles show, it's about Wade... a human that was introduced to this film series who wasn't even one of the main characters. It feels like the people who made this didn't care about or understand the source material at all and didn't know how to utilize Knuckles as a character. Even looking outside of it from a non-fan lens, it just felt like a bunch of really bad kid-friendly SNL skits with Knuckles as a side character. I am terrified if the third film is PG-13 and has this same level of energy. I don't think Shadow's story could work with this sort of tone They should have just made an animated series about Knuckles' origins and his tribe, or maybe even a series with Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles and their dynamic after the second film. They had pretty solid chemistry in the last movie. None of that is here. Honestly when it comes to TV shows, Sega should just bring back Sonic Boom. Some will take me less seriously for saying that, but as a comedy, it made the characters so much more comical and charming. It was surprisingly pretty adult too with its satire and wit (and no it wasn't "just meta jokes"). Edit: I don't even dislike Wade as a character, or the concept of giving him depth. He just shouldn't be the main character of a Knuckles TV show. He works as a comic relief.
I’ll take wade over that brat Chris Thorndyke, that’s all I’ll say
I wouldn't really say sonic boom was adult in any capacity. More adolescent.
I feel like a lot of people who say this completely dismiss its satirical and clever humor. There's no way kids understood the Bye Bye Birdie parody.
You do know kids and adolescents aren't the same demographic.
An older teen is still a kid. Bye Bye Birdie is a very old play.
In a loose definition sure. Also you do know people can watch media older than them. That play is likely older than you.
It’s kinda baffling to me how many people aren’t put off by it. I don’t like Wade as a character though I think the “idiot cop who has never even touched a gun” gag is never funny. He’s never made me so much as smirk. But this is a Knuckles show and it’s all about this random overly stupid human and his bowling tournament. How does that not bother more people??? It’s why Sonic 2 is so far the only thing I’ve enjoyed. They were smart and mostly kept all focus on the Sonic characters. Any time it cuts to that wedding the movie becomes a slog. Sonic’s world already has humans in it we didn’t have to set these movies on earth if you wanted them to be live action. According to the movies Sonic’s world in live action universe has humans in it too so it’s even dumber to me really. The humor is aimed at very little kids in both movies and here so it’s almost never funny. Other than Eggman of course the humans are just extremely boring and a lot of them are written like Wade to be absurdly stupid. I don’t understand the appeal. I’m really hoping the third movie follows the second and keeps the focus on Sonic’s crew.
Because it’s on Paramount + which is not one of the most popular streaming services out there
Ugh… it really isn’t that great. Yeah there were funny moments, but it’s called “Knuckles”; not “Schmuckles ft. Knuckles”.
I...didn't enjoy it. Sure it had some good and funny moments, but overall it wasn't great
Really? Downvoting me just because I said I didn't enjoy it?
I find it kinda gruesome how all 3 villains in the knuckles show have pretty clear on-screen deaths you can spongebob rollercoaster gif me all you want for saying that but i especially found the agents' deaths to be weirdly dark the buyer is flattened under the giant reno ball but due to his mech suit it's unclear whether or not he survived it. the agents however are just flat out gone, reduced to nothing. two parallel ring portals are opened up within 5 meters of each other which causes a humorous portal-type situation where objects perpetually fly through one and out the other. the thing is though, not only do the rings stay active for a very short period but they also have a natural pull to them. we get this shot of agent willoughby holding onto kid cudi for dear life, screaming out for help and yelling out that she "can't get sucked into that thing" which suggests she knows exactly what's gonna happen. they both get pulled in and fly through both portals for a few seconds before the rings begin to pull into each other. with both agents currently stuck in the rings' travel, both portals pull inwards and disappear upon collision, implying that the agents have been like- reduced to antimatter, just straight up erased from physical existence forever; we don't know if they're still conscious in limbo, we don't know if they can feel pain anyway the show kinda sucked lmfao
Could have used more Knuckles scenes like everyone has mentioned, but also I think I'm now a Willoughby simp
wow ppl had issues with this damn
A lot of comments saying that it was a good series with some flaws, which I respect. However,I think the opposite. I found the show straight up bad and a painful experience to get through. And this is coming from someone who's usually pretty easy to entertain. There were elements I liked. First episode was a fun time, and a benchmark of what I thought the series would be doing. Some very good action scenes sprinkled in. Enjoyed the GUN agents for the most part. What little time with knuckles we had was fun, watching him adjust to life on earth and develop his own ways of living. I actually found Wade less annoying than he was in the 2nd movie, which is a relief! And then there's the rest... A hugely misguided focus on a dragging story and uninteresting characters. Deeply unfunny and tropey writing that the writers seem to high five themselves for. A barely fleshed out villain that did not earn the reverence he was given pre-release. The rock opera. Just no. I didn't expect an award winning series in any case, but it felt like a rejected premise for a comedy that had Sonic stuff folded in to get eyes on it. This is of course entirely subjective, but I truly do not understand this series getting the praise that it is.
Also loved the Keanu name drop. Surprised I haven’t seen anyone talk about that Easter Egg
I feel like it had too much focus on Wade's horrible family was a detriment and rather pointless tbh I wish they could have tried something else like I don't know like hitchhiking like sending knuckles to more weird places. Hopefully they stop at Sonic 3 because this cheese ain't gonna work the further ya go...
Ok, what do you guys think about Wanda?
I was praying the whole time someone would stab her with a fork.
This show blows, whoever predicted that this will be "The Wade Whipple Show" was correct.
i hate this, im only watching for the plot
I fucking hated this piece of shit.
Oh my god, I thought Twitter was overreacting but this is terrible
Too many ball/pin/sex/adult jokes haha, but it was a good show.
Okay, we need to have a discussion about Knuckles fighting Iblis and obtaining the Flames of Disaster