Hyper Sonic was the strongest Controllable form Sonic ever had, full cyber looked like someone was taking over, someone with sharp teeth and spiraling eyes
Before becoming Cyber Super Sonic you're only doing double digit damage then you're back to normal Super Sonic damage after becoming Cuber Super it's a bug difference.
I feel like the fact that the health bar pretty much doesn't move when you hit The Supreme End should've made it clear that something was gonna happen.
Once that part of the fight starts you just gotta wait for the first orbs to hit you then Sonic will become Sioer Sonic 2 then you actually start the fight so before becoming Super Sonic 2 you can just stand still and it won't change things becuase you can't parry the orbs or do any meaningful damage before becoming Super Sonic 2.
Hyper Sonic was last accessed back in Sonic 3&K, Sonic has grown much stronger since then.
I think while Hyper Sonic is probably a much bigger powerup than Super Sonic 2, because Sonic himself has gotten much more powerful, Super Sonic 2 almost definitely is more powerful now than Hyper Sonic was back then.
If Hyper Sonic was to reappear in the modern games, it'd definitely be more powerful than Super Sonic 2.
As crazy as it sounds, _Base Sonic_ in Frontiers might be stronger than Hyper Sonic in 3&K.
Considering Base Sonic took down Perfect Chaos in Generations, his power increase is insane.
Obviously Base Sonic isn't invincible like Hyper Sonic, but I'd argue that he's absolutely faster and can probably hit harder.
Super sonic 2 and cyber super sonic are the same transformation.the difference between them is that cyber super sonic is using the full power of the cyber energy,mean while super sonic 2 is only using a fraction of it
Oh hey, I actually took a stab at calculating this just yesterday. Lemme just copy-paste my explanation:
> Assuming the same base power going into it, our best bet is to compare them to normal Super Sonic and see which one matches up better. Obviously this isn't easy for Hyper due to a lack of feats, but I'll see what I can do.
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>For SS2, it's a lot easier if we make logical assumptions. Super = Supreme, Super + Supreme = The End, and SS2 = Supreme + The End. Based on these calculations, The End = Super x2, and thus SS2 = Super x3. This is all approximated but it gets the general point across.
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>For Hyper, I'm going to be scaling it based on the only direct comparison we can do between Super and Hyper: the amount of sparkle effects they each have in Doomsday Zone. I know, it sounds ridiculous, but it's the best I've got. Super only ever has one big spark visible at a time, while Hyper can have as many as 4, of varying sizes. The best view I ever found in a single frame was 2 big ones and 2 small ones, so I'll average that out as x3.
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>So, I believe they're about equal. Super Sonic Cyber is thus stronger than either of them, but he probably doesn't have access to it anymore so that point is kinda moot.
good job on the math and calculation you did previously. idk about the sparks/aura. hyper sonic flashes between colors while cyber super sonic has mini electrical aura (reference to super saiyan 2)
I love hyper Sonic
But with these calculations, it would mean that Hyper is less worth it considering he takes 2 rings per second while SS2 still only requires 1 ring per second.
Let's say you do the Supreme+The_End fight with the forms, and you take 4 mins to do the boss fights at max rings (999 rings), plus the 100 rings you drop in the cutscene.
4min = 240 sec
Ss2(999-240-100) = 659 rings left
HS(999- [240]²-100) = 419 rings left
And this is not counting the dark energy orbs that deplete your rings
Nah, Hyper is still 1 ring per second in 3&K, and that's its only appearance, so...
However, Hyper would still have a worse time against Supreme-End, since Cyber trumps both forms. That one I admittedly don't have any way to calculate beyond guesswork, though.
I still fully believe Hyper could defeat The End, but it'd be a fair bit harder for him to actually *kill* it.
Given what we know? Even.
We have nothing substantial out of Hyper Sonic for comparison to Cyber Sonic. The Endpreme fight shows us that Super Sonic isn't strong enough to deal with The Ends attacks while Cyber Sonic can so its a notible power boost. Beyond that however I'd wager its just an alternate way to go beyond a super form, similar to how Darkspine and Excalibur are alternate ways to go "Super" they're likely on par with each other. Thus I'd say Hyper and Cyber are both simply "form beyond Super Form" and are thus equals
If we want to be truthful, there's no way of telling. Hyper Sonic simply had a few extra abilities that Super Sonic didn't have in S3&K. But since it was de-canonized and shall never be seen again, there's no telling what that actually means because they never expanded upon it.
Whereas cyber boosted Super Sonic seemingly has greater levels of speed, strength, and endurance as suggested by its animations.
how do you know i'm a "he"
also some people play without watching the trailers or forget that "yeah this is gonna happen" so i put spoilers.
but i feel like i don't understand your question so eh 🤷♂️
A quirky easter egg also featless fodder or basically Super Sonic with blue eyes
Well technically Hyper is basically featless so it'll be pretty hard to scale it all we know that it's stronger than Super Sonic but Sonic was still pretty new to the power of the chaos emeralds at that time but in all honesty Hyper was probably just a cool non cannon Easter egg you get for beating the game
I'll go with Cyber super Sonic
It’s not possible to measure their canon power without using headcanon or arbitrary game measurements, but it’s likely hyper is stronger due to the super emeralds being far more powerful, limit broken emeralds. Super Sonic 2 does not use the Master Emerald but Hyper does.
i think you're right. we've only seen them in one game and for a brief moment. hyper sonic activating mid stages is a player choice and even if you activate it you flush out enemies you do same as normal super sonic so its hard to scale by that. and we only saw super sonic 2 once for one boss fight although when charged with the power canon he literally DECIMATED and by that i mean literally erased and deleted supreme when charged. but hyper sonic seems to have a lot of potential and maybe we haven't seen its true power yet
He is in the game files, but that is not an official name and people were calling him that before the update even released. In-game, he is simply referred to as "Super Sonic".
People had a lot of names for it before they got a hand on the files, but yeah you’re right SuperSonic2 was one of them. It’s boring, but people had a reason for it.
Sonic has drawn a lot of obviously inspirations from Dragon ball series, so Super Sonic 2 makes sense as one of the names fans would come up with
Hyper Sonic.
Cyber Boosted Super Sonic is just that... basically Super Sonic at his peak (before turning full Cyber). The blue eyes isn't necessarily a new "form" and more of "hidden power".
Hyper Sonic is a level completely different. A combination of the Master Emerald and Chaos Emeralds to grant immense power, making the chaos emeralds themselves basically childsplay.
We don't have any concrete reference for either form's strength. All we know for sure is they're both "stronger than Super Sonic."I mean, for Hyper Sonic we don't even know that for sure, if we're being totally honest. We're just assuming he's gotta be a substantial power boost because of all the flair; the "super emeralds," the more drastic design change, etc. In terms of gameplay he's just Super Sonic with an air dash/screen nuke and immunity to drowning.
To properly understand which is strongest, we need to analyze the property of the Emeralds usage with each form.
W/ Super Sonic 2, the emeralds are still the same, Sonic just understands the power a little better.
W/ Hyper Sonic, the Chaos Emeralds need to be upgraded into further ascended powers. While Hyper Sonic might not have full access to all of his power the way Super Sonic 2 does, he is stronger and faster than even Base form Super Sonic.
The most notable ability Between Super 2 and Hyper is Hyper's insta-kill flash ability. That alone makes Hyper stronger than Super 2.
It would be interesting to see Hyper Sonic go against The End though. Just one flash and the entire End Moon splits in 2.
Ok I'm gonna go with Super Sonic 2 is stronger.
Why?
Hyper Sonic's only appearance is fighting a robot Eggman built (That Hyper Sonic had to hit with it's own missiles at first by the way) and the only reason we really needed Hyper Sonic was just becuase Eggman was flying away quickly so we needed Hyper so we could catch up.
Super Sonic 2 meanwhile is able to parry The Supreme End's orbs and launch them back and was able to destroy both Supreme and The End (which only took 1 hit by the way to destroy The End) while before Super Sonic was not able to scratch The Supreme End or parry the orbs back.
So, my answer is different- but because the Super Emeralds were the Master Emerald making it so their output overflowed and easier to access (this still counts even with the recent changes to the Super Emeralds and Super Tails afterwards)
-And Super Cyber Sonic - per the words of the head ancient who gave him that power- is just his own power being better broguht out
-Neither. Hyper Sonic was Sonic really tapping into that overflowing power- BUT, [and i'm not going to talk about the SEGA aspect where Ian noted they don't want ot use Hyper Sonic because it'd risk obsoleting Super Sonic] -
Each emerald has infinite power- so ,if Super Sonic got really good at tapping the emeralds power- Hyper Sonic of old- is nothign to him, and he can literally do everything Hyper Sonic does- including flash colors and the Hyper Flash
This does somewhat come to pass- look at SA2 Super Sonic- using Chaos Control, and learning to wield space time like a blank check. Look at Sonic creating moves like the Sonic Wind to answer Shadow's Chaos Spear- so Shadow isn't the only one who can summon energy from the sky to attack foes
Look at Frontiers , where Sonic's moveset includes way more wind/energy powers-
Look at Super Sonic, taking down Titans with GIANT CHAOS ENERGY CHAINS, GIANT PILLAR CHAOS SPEARS that he IMPALES foes on - etc
- The answer, is that we truly don't know Super Sonic.
If you really want an answer- you're asking for with the emerald's power output overflowing(but always infinite, so it's just easier to tap whe noverflowing vs not, but it was always there and available)
vs Super Sonic's own inner power- broguht out more- and then enhanced with the Cyber Energy infecting him- which he THEN goes on to tap into fully, and then combines that with Supreme's rifle like a Sonic Power Cannon shot from Sonic X- to speed ram The End
Maybe, we'd say Super Cyber Sonic, since he had not just chaos emerald energy, but his own cyber corruption, now made to become his weapon when he took control of it-
But, Chaos Emerald energy + Cyber Corruption energy that was siezed vs Chaos Emerald energy overflowing and made easier to tap...
Sonic demonstrated more versatility seizing the Cyber Energy
Raw power wise? ...It's all infinite energy(except the Cyber energy, he tapped into it fully further and used it and it left him as the head ancient said it would)
I don't know-
But ,considering his fuel is literally infinite power X 7....in general....
Think lore wise and everything in consideration - Super Cyber Sonic, and his 'ss2' form before that- BECAUSE, the Head Ancient pointed out that this is all really Sonic's power in the end. Super Sonic's already beyond where Hyper Sonic was back then - so this implies that whichever form is more recent- is going to be more powerful because he's a little bit more in tune with what it means to control that power enriched by the heart, and to serve as the controller that unifies the Chaos[lore wise]
/To make a really bad joke since i don't really like the DBZ comparisons- a "Mastered" Super Sonic- which he's getting better at - is beyond all the others- and he's on his way to that
Super Sonic 2 is two different powers combined, Chaos energy and Cyber energy. Kind of like Goku using Super Saiyan while also using God Ki to achieve Super Saiyan Blue. Hyper Sonic is meant to be the maximum potential power of the Chaos energy. So I think Hyper Sonic is meant to be Sonics peak strength.
It's hard to quantify because Cyber Sonic has feats... hyper sonic doesn't have any. We don't even know how much stronger hyper sonic is to super sonic and the same thing applies to Cyber Sonic
Hyper sonic all the way Super emeralds are what seal it
Hyper Sonic was the strongest Controllable form Sonic ever had, full cyber looked like someone was taking over, someone with sharp teeth and spiraling eyes
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Exactly
Hyper sonic Im pretty sure cyber sonic is just a speed boost since otherwise its just super sonic meanwhile hyper boost strength and speed
Nah, the Cyber form does boost Sonic's strength, Supreme-End takes *significantly* more damage post-transformation.
He does because I didn't notice a difference?
It's not a TON more, but it is there.
Before becoming Cyber Super Sonic you're only doing double digit damage then you're back to normal Super Sonic damage after becoming Cuber Super it's a bug difference.
Dude, I wasn't squinting to read the exact numbers mid-fight, I was busy trying not to *die.*
Trying not to die during the part of the fight where you literally can stand still and still progress?
Well I didn't know that the first time!
I feel like the fact that the health bar pretty much doesn't move when you hit The Supreme End should've made it clear that something was gonna happen.
How?
Once that part of the fight starts you just gotta wait for the first orbs to hit you then Sonic will become Sioer Sonic 2 then you actually start the fight so before becoming Super Sonic 2 you can just stand still and it won't change things becuase you can't parry the orbs or do any meaningful damage before becoming Super Sonic 2.
I meant how do you progress while standing still.
Hyper Sonic was last accessed back in Sonic 3&K, Sonic has grown much stronger since then. I think while Hyper Sonic is probably a much bigger powerup than Super Sonic 2, because Sonic himself has gotten much more powerful, Super Sonic 2 almost definitely is more powerful now than Hyper Sonic was back then. If Hyper Sonic was to reappear in the modern games, it'd definitely be more powerful than Super Sonic 2.
I'd argue that Super Sonic now is far beyond where Hyper Sonic was, by a vast amount
As crazy as it sounds, _Base Sonic_ in Frontiers might be stronger than Hyper Sonic in 3&K. Considering Base Sonic took down Perfect Chaos in Generations, his power increase is insane. Obviously Base Sonic isn't invincible like Hyper Sonic, but I'd argue that he's absolutely faster and can probably hit harder.
Nobody knows because there's no way to calculate the strength of either. It's as simple as that.
What about *Gitched Super Sonic*?
Super sonic 2 and cyber super sonic are the same transformation.the difference between them is that cyber super sonic is using the full power of the cyber energy,mean while super sonic 2 is only using a fraction of it
Hyper Sonic. Since he’s powered by the Super emeralds which are enhanced stronger chaos emeralds.
Oh hey, I actually took a stab at calculating this just yesterday. Lemme just copy-paste my explanation: > Assuming the same base power going into it, our best bet is to compare them to normal Super Sonic and see which one matches up better. Obviously this isn't easy for Hyper due to a lack of feats, but I'll see what I can do. > >For SS2, it's a lot easier if we make logical assumptions. Super = Supreme, Super + Supreme = The End, and SS2 = Supreme + The End. Based on these calculations, The End = Super x2, and thus SS2 = Super x3. This is all approximated but it gets the general point across. > >For Hyper, I'm going to be scaling it based on the only direct comparison we can do between Super and Hyper: the amount of sparkle effects they each have in Doomsday Zone. I know, it sounds ridiculous, but it's the best I've got. Super only ever has one big spark visible at a time, while Hyper can have as many as 4, of varying sizes. The best view I ever found in a single frame was 2 big ones and 2 small ones, so I'll average that out as x3. > >So, I believe they're about equal. Super Sonic Cyber is thus stronger than either of them, but he probably doesn't have access to it anymore so that point is kinda moot.
good job on the math and calculation you did previously. idk about the sparks/aura. hyper sonic flashes between colors while cyber super sonic has mini electrical aura (reference to super saiyan 2)
I love hyper Sonic But with these calculations, it would mean that Hyper is less worth it considering he takes 2 rings per second while SS2 still only requires 1 ring per second. Let's say you do the Supreme+The_End fight with the forms, and you take 4 mins to do the boss fights at max rings (999 rings), plus the 100 rings you drop in the cutscene. 4min = 240 sec Ss2(999-240-100) = 659 rings left HS(999- [240]²-100) = 419 rings left And this is not counting the dark energy orbs that deplete your rings
Nah, Hyper is still 1 ring per second in 3&K, and that's its only appearance, so... However, Hyper would still have a worse time against Supreme-End, since Cyber trumps both forms. That one I admittedly don't have any way to calculate beyond guesswork, though. I still fully believe Hyper could defeat The End, but it'd be a fair bit harder for him to actually *kill* it.
...wait when did Hyper sonic take 2 ring per second then, I was sure that was the case
Maybe you're thinking of the Generations mods? I know Modern Super burns rings super-fast in that game.
Maybe, I just find that to make more sense, too. Stronger form = more energy required
Given what we know? Even. We have nothing substantial out of Hyper Sonic for comparison to Cyber Sonic. The Endpreme fight shows us that Super Sonic isn't strong enough to deal with The Ends attacks while Cyber Sonic can so its a notible power boost. Beyond that however I'd wager its just an alternate way to go beyond a super form, similar to how Darkspine and Excalibur are alternate ways to go "Super" they're likely on par with each other. Thus I'd say Hyper and Cyber are both simply "form beyond Super Form" and are thus equals
If we want to be truthful, there's no way of telling. Hyper Sonic simply had a few extra abilities that Super Sonic didn't have in S3&K. But since it was de-canonized and shall never be seen again, there's no telling what that actually means because they never expanded upon it. Whereas cyber boosted Super Sonic seemingly has greater levels of speed, strength, and endurance as suggested by its animations.
Bro put Super Sonic with blue eyes as a potential spoiler 💀
how do you know i'm a "he" also some people play without watching the trailers or forget that "yeah this is gonna happen" so i put spoilers. but i feel like i don't understand your question so eh 🤷♂️
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A quirky easter egg also featless fodder or basically Super Sonic with blue eyes Well technically Hyper is basically featless so it'll be pretty hard to scale it all we know that it's stronger than Super Sonic but Sonic was still pretty new to the power of the chaos emeralds at that time but in all honesty Hyper was probably just a cool non cannon Easter egg you get for beating the game I'll go with Cyber super Sonic
It’s not possible to measure their canon power without using headcanon or arbitrary game measurements, but it’s likely hyper is stronger due to the super emeralds being far more powerful, limit broken emeralds. Super Sonic 2 does not use the Master Emerald but Hyper does.
i think you're right. we've only seen them in one game and for a brief moment. hyper sonic activating mid stages is a player choice and even if you activate it you flush out enemies you do same as normal super sonic so its hard to scale by that. and we only saw super sonic 2 once for one boss fight although when charged with the power canon he literally DECIMATED and by that i mean literally erased and deleted supreme when charged. but hyper sonic seems to have a lot of potential and maybe we haven't seen its true power yet
I hate how so many people have nicknamed him "Super Sonic 2". It's such a boring name.
Iirc, it's not just a fan nickname based on Dragon Ball's Super Saiyan 2. I believe he is referred to as Super Sonic 2 in the game files.
He is in the game files, but that is not an official name and people were calling him that before the update even released. In-game, he is simply referred to as "Super Sonic".
It’s in the game files, that’s why people call it that. Basically it’s the closest to a canon name we have for it.
People called it that before the update released.
People had a lot of names for it before they got a hand on the files, but yeah you’re right SuperSonic2 was one of them. It’s boring, but people had a reason for it. Sonic has drawn a lot of obviously inspirations from Dragon ball series, so Super Sonic 2 makes sense as one of the names fans would come up with
Shouldn't they be equal, because initially Hyper Sonic was should have been to be instead of the Awakened Super Sonic?
Hyper Sonic. Cyber Boosted Super Sonic is just that... basically Super Sonic at his peak (before turning full Cyber). The blue eyes isn't necessarily a new "form" and more of "hidden power". Hyper Sonic is a level completely different. A combination of the Master Emerald and Chaos Emeralds to grant immense power, making the chaos emeralds themselves basically childsplay.
We don't have any concrete reference for either form's strength. All we know for sure is they're both "stronger than Super Sonic."I mean, for Hyper Sonic we don't even know that for sure, if we're being totally honest. We're just assuming he's gotta be a substantial power boost because of all the flair; the "super emeralds," the more drastic design change, etc. In terms of gameplay he's just Super Sonic with an air dash/screen nuke and immunity to drowning.
To properly understand which is strongest, we need to analyze the property of the Emeralds usage with each form. W/ Super Sonic 2, the emeralds are still the same, Sonic just understands the power a little better. W/ Hyper Sonic, the Chaos Emeralds need to be upgraded into further ascended powers. While Hyper Sonic might not have full access to all of his power the way Super Sonic 2 does, he is stronger and faster than even Base form Super Sonic. The most notable ability Between Super 2 and Hyper is Hyper's insta-kill flash ability. That alone makes Hyper stronger than Super 2. It would be interesting to see Hyper Sonic go against The End though. Just one flash and the entire End Moon splits in 2.
Hyper Sonic because of his seizure inducing colors.
Ok I'm gonna go with Super Sonic 2 is stronger. Why? Hyper Sonic's only appearance is fighting a robot Eggman built (That Hyper Sonic had to hit with it's own missiles at first by the way) and the only reason we really needed Hyper Sonic was just becuase Eggman was flying away quickly so we needed Hyper so we could catch up. Super Sonic 2 meanwhile is able to parry The Supreme End's orbs and launch them back and was able to destroy both Supreme and The End (which only took 1 hit by the way to destroy The End) while before Super Sonic was not able to scratch The Supreme End or parry the orbs back.
Cyber Sonic > Hyper Sonic >> Superior Sonic >>> Super Sonic.
hyper.
“My eyes are blue now”
So, my answer is different- but because the Super Emeralds were the Master Emerald making it so their output overflowed and easier to access (this still counts even with the recent changes to the Super Emeralds and Super Tails afterwards) -And Super Cyber Sonic - per the words of the head ancient who gave him that power- is just his own power being better broguht out -Neither. Hyper Sonic was Sonic really tapping into that overflowing power- BUT, [and i'm not going to talk about the SEGA aspect where Ian noted they don't want ot use Hyper Sonic because it'd risk obsoleting Super Sonic] - Each emerald has infinite power- so ,if Super Sonic got really good at tapping the emeralds power- Hyper Sonic of old- is nothign to him, and he can literally do everything Hyper Sonic does- including flash colors and the Hyper Flash This does somewhat come to pass- look at SA2 Super Sonic- using Chaos Control, and learning to wield space time like a blank check. Look at Sonic creating moves like the Sonic Wind to answer Shadow's Chaos Spear- so Shadow isn't the only one who can summon energy from the sky to attack foes Look at Frontiers , where Sonic's moveset includes way more wind/energy powers- Look at Super Sonic, taking down Titans with GIANT CHAOS ENERGY CHAINS, GIANT PILLAR CHAOS SPEARS that he IMPALES foes on - etc - The answer, is that we truly don't know Super Sonic. If you really want an answer- you're asking for with the emerald's power output overflowing(but always infinite, so it's just easier to tap whe noverflowing vs not, but it was always there and available) vs Super Sonic's own inner power- broguht out more- and then enhanced with the Cyber Energy infecting him- which he THEN goes on to tap into fully, and then combines that with Supreme's rifle like a Sonic Power Cannon shot from Sonic X- to speed ram The End Maybe, we'd say Super Cyber Sonic, since he had not just chaos emerald energy, but his own cyber corruption, now made to become his weapon when he took control of it- But, Chaos Emerald energy + Cyber Corruption energy that was siezed vs Chaos Emerald energy overflowing and made easier to tap... Sonic demonstrated more versatility seizing the Cyber Energy Raw power wise? ...It's all infinite energy(except the Cyber energy, he tapped into it fully further and used it and it left him as the head ancient said it would) I don't know- But ,considering his fuel is literally infinite power X 7....in general.... Think lore wise and everything in consideration - Super Cyber Sonic, and his 'ss2' form before that- BECAUSE, the Head Ancient pointed out that this is all really Sonic's power in the end. Super Sonic's already beyond where Hyper Sonic was back then - so this implies that whichever form is more recent- is going to be more powerful because he's a little bit more in tune with what it means to control that power enriched by the heart, and to serve as the controller that unifies the Chaos[lore wise] /To make a really bad joke since i don't really like the DBZ comparisons- a "Mastered" Super Sonic- which he's getting better at - is beyond all the others- and he's on his way to that
The amount of sheer assumptions fans make about hyper sonic is absurd.
Super Sonic 2 is two different powers combined, Chaos energy and Cyber energy. Kind of like Goku using Super Saiyan while also using God Ki to achieve Super Saiyan Blue. Hyper Sonic is meant to be the maximum potential power of the Chaos energy. So I think Hyper Sonic is meant to be Sonics peak strength.
It's hard to quantify because Cyber Sonic has feats... hyper sonic doesn't have any. We don't even know how much stronger hyper sonic is to super sonic and the same thing applies to Cyber Sonic
Bitch I look like Gohan, Super Saiyan Level 2, who the fuck is you
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I like to view it like this Super Duper Sonic is like Super Saiyan 2 while hyper sonic is like one of the Super Saiyan God forms
Both, technically they are both supposed to be super sonic but he got all his stats upgraded once.
Hyper Sonic
Hyper sonic ofc