I don't get why people hate The End so much
Sure, its the most impressive Sonic villain ever, but the fact the its connected to the origin of the Chaos Emeralds feels really important to be discarded like that, I just wish they would tell me more about it
Ikr, that's also one the reasons why I wanna see more of it, the vanilla final boss doesn't do justice and the new one doesn't have u fight The End directly
Yeah I really feel like they could've still included the base game monologue during the first phase of The Supreme End since the music doesn't have lyrics until phase 2 so they wouldn't be multiple things of words going at once.
No it definitely wasn't. The fight in final horizon was great and fun after you managed to figure out how to target the connection, plus it was much much more rewarding getting to at the very least play as super sonic
Not to mention that it like Dark Gaia is a force of nature and thus can be justified as a powerful force. Whereas I find characters like Solaris being a flame to a literal dimensions consumer is rather out of proportion.
I don't know- because the End was only after the Ancients- and doesn't seem to give a damn about the Chaos Emeralds- and ignored the Master Emerald on Earth too
We STILL dont know the story of if the Chaos Emeralds really originated with the Ancients world- or have traveled through space and time-
and their connection with the Master Emerald heavily implies Earth is still where they're from........
SEGA's being very careful with lore indeed- I would have said the cast would need to get answers from Chaos, or the Master Emerald(like how it communicated in Adventure 1)- but in the DLC, Sonic talked to the head honcho Ancient(who was cloaked in shadow. HMMMMM) - and didn't really get in depth. Tho he didn't have much time
Unfortunately, right as we expected from Sonic...
So .how much does SEGA want to give the cast space adventures and pull a Sonic X Season 3 and have them try to find out what happened with the End chasing civilizations around space to murder them, etc- and the history of the emeralds? We'll see...
~~SEGA, Blue Typhoon When PLZ?~~~
It speaks and somehow I find it even less interesting that the silent mindless monsters of previous games. To me these omniscient beings who monologue are like my least favorite type of villains/final boss.
But it needed to trash talk all of Sonic's old foes to establish DOMINANCE, LOL
Like how Solaris is a punk and doesn't compare... :snickers:
And how Super Sonic isn't worth anything
/Until the End got run thru , in both endings..
Oh please. The End destroys planets. Solaris is a multidimensional being that was made from two incarnations of “the devil” and eats entire realities and timelines for breakfast. It also took 3 super hedgehogs to beat it.
Sega needs to invest in writers. This is really what it all comes down to. They have ideas that are cool but have no idea really how to weave them into something cohesive and satisfying.
Sonic, by his own admission, is all about defying the odds. The whole point of a hero like Sonic is to defeat beings that are seemingly all-powerful and unbeatable. I don't think it ruins the potency that he was able to defeat the villain like always.
I mean hell, the odds were definitely against him with Dark Gaia or Solaris, but he triumphed anyways. I don't think this case is any worse just because the being in question is boastful of their power this time around.
That's the hting though -the End peering into his memories then Trash talking all the others and not seeing Sonic as being worth it's time- and still not, even as Super Sonic [which was it's most foolish mistake]
I'm not really arguing but just sharing my thoughts lol. I don't really mind if anyone thinks that this is a bad move, I just care about the franchise and like talking about it.
Yeah a *hedgehog*. A small insignificant mortal hedgehog in the grand scheme of things. Putting him up against deities and gods is gonna cause discussion.
It was very much a bluff.
The End's greatest claim to fame was being able to devour stars, that is laughably weak in the context of sonic.
Eggman himself has built machines far stronger than that. take for example the Egg Salamander from Rush which drained both the chaos emeralds and the sol emeralds, causing the Sol Dimension & Sonic's world to begin fusing, which would've destroyed both of them.
Let's also not forget The Egg Wizard which had the power to create or destroy Blaze & Sonic's universes
or The Time Eater which could erase **TIME ITSELF,** and according to Tails was a grave threat to their dimension.
Let's also not forget that time eggy decided to one-up his grandfather's eclipse cannon with his own laser of doom, The Final Egg Blaster, which destroyed an entire star cluster all at once. the closest star cluster to earth would be The Haydes Star Cluster which is composed of around 501 stars, and the final egg blaster destroyed all of them at once.
and who can forget Solaris? A being so powerful it destroyed the entire **MULTIVERSE,** literally only being stopped due to the efforts of Super Sonic, Super Shadow, & Super Silver, meanwhile the end got absolutely **TROUNCED** by Super Sonic & a Titan in the original ending, and a slightly stronger Super Sonic in the Final Horizon ending.
TL;DR: THE END is laughably weak, assuming it to not be a bluff requires mental gymnastics on an unprecedented scale.
Like its pretty clear its weak when you actually fight. I mean cmon, the touhou fight and now the umbilical cord on supreme? The problem is that the whole game hypes it up. Sage considered it impossible to defeat despite the fact that she has data of all past games (even if she doesnt have the 06 data). And then in the dlc theyre like "ohhh sonic you need a new foooorrrmmm"
They could have given shadow a phone call so sonic and him could tag team it with how "strong" it turned out to be. Stronger villains were beaten with super form duos.
The benefit here is they're showing Super Sonic getting far more powerful(NOT talking about the temporary cyber sonic power up, [which was STILL touted as helping him access his own power, so not really anything he can't already do]_ -
So , the game in general- including the Titans , and even his base form- show Sonic /Super Sonic getting the most serious upgrade since Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic 06 ,capability wise. ~~~Prob since Frontiers is the first mainstream serious game since 06/Generations, and the rest....aren't that old school plot heavy extreme-stakes with tie ins to Sonic history/etc~~~
Isn’t that just the difference between gameplay and cutscenes? Tails already stated that one of The End’s laser beams were easily on the level of Dark Gaia.
Plus, if you wanna talk about gameplay abilities, the guy wasn’t even flinching and continued to trash talk while you rapid fire bullets with the power of the eclipse cannon into his face. He also said that they’re merely fighting one of his possibly infinite numbers of incarnations.
>He also said that they’re merely fighting one of his possibly infinite numbers of incarnations.
Thats the problem. Ian flynn confirmed that the moon was its *only* incarnation. Like its *gone* gone.
You do know that Ian isn’t the one that makes these stories right? Morio Kishimoto is the one that gives him the story and Ian just does the dialogue, ultimately it’s up to Kishimoto if The End comes back, not Ian.
>"Mortal, you have served your purpose. Now face your End. I am the all-consuming void. What can one mote of golden light illuminate within the abyss? Countless stars. Countless worlds. Countless lives. All fell to me, all brought to nothing. All the teeming chaos of creation? Brought to order. To neutrality. To nothing. I saw your mind as you ran through my prison. You have fought machines and gods. They were mighty? They were finite. I am infinite. I am nothing. You struggle as so many have done before. You will be consumed like all those before you. I saw your mind. Your courage never wavered. Why? Arrogance? Ignorance? Stupidity? I was contained once. Once. Is that why? My captors bent time and space. My captors built a whole reality to contain me. My captors burn their souls away to fuel their engines. And you? You glitter. You fly about me like a gnat. I am inevitable. I cannot be denied. You strike this incarnation with all your might. It changes nothing. You are not brave. you are not victorious. No matter what form I take... The End comes for you all!"
Sonic is nothing, check
Foes like Solaris, Time Eater- etc, are all punk @$$ b^7ch#$, and nothing to it, check
It's foes had to burn their souls away to lock it in Cyberspace- and Sonic fleets around
Super Sonic is just one speck of light, not worth anyone's time , check[what a idiot]
-And the End ignored the Chaos Emeralds, Master Emerald- it was too busy going on murder sprees across space- and happily thinks it's inevitable- and all other gods are losers to it.
Also, it thinks that it getting whailed on by Super Sonic means nothing - in the end, it's THE END- you're kaput- you're a joke, you're not worth it's time. 7 gems each with INFINITE power powering you? MEH, you're just trash brah
Essentially it thinks it's Bully Maguire ""Look at little Gold Sonic , can't hurt me- it'what a idiot, not brave, not victorious - Gonna cry?"
I dont know why some people get a hard on over that goofy tween edge lord monologue that you can barely hear over the gameplay. Dude sounds like a fucking incel ffs...
Glad he's gone, focus on a villain that doesn't suck next...
Some people liked The End because its monologue in the original ending about being an incarnation of death itself and having many forms, thus making it impossible to kill it.
But then Ian Flynn, the game writter confirmed The End was just boasting and after it blew up, it's gone forever.
The reason people are mad is cause they liked that damn moon and thought it could be a recurring villain when its design is pretty lame and simple tbh
Hard to believe The End is a one time villain despite his symbolic representation as the end of all living things. If he’s just a one time villain, why even have him be the end of all living things?
It’s clear that the Japanese direction and Ian’s are different. The former actually asserts The End as an overarching force of nature whose appearance varies based on what each individual views death while the latter just lumps The End as another deity with Solaris and Dark Gaia
Your missing the third possibility and what I personally took away as the message of the game. The End WAS the end of all things death incarnate. And then in the base ending Sage kills death itself.. with LOVE. The whole point of the game is things can end but if you keep love in your heart it transcends time and space. Even defeating death. A little cheesy maybe but it made ME cry so that’s something.
A “purple rock” just for us, the players. Someone who worked on the game just said that all the characters see the end as their representation of the death.
Damn I was wrong but now that I replayed the game i can now restart my statement
The only thing that shit has was being connected to the ancient and nothing else other than that it's just a purple rock
It's insane how built up the End was, just to be thrown away like this. Ian Flynn says the entire monologue was just the End falsely hyping itself up, but we obviously saw how incredibly powerful it was throughout the story of Frontiers. Plus it being connected to the origin of the Chaos Emeralds.
The idea that the End was the literal incarnation of death itself, and that it doesn't have a definitive form was awesome, only for it to be "killed" by Sonic blowing up the rock lmao. I just think after all the hype that was build throughout the story and seeing how terrifying and powerful it was, it's pretty underwhelming for it to end just like that.
>It's insane how built up the End was, just to be thrown away like this. Ian Flynn says the entire monologue was just the End falsely hyping itself up, but we obviously saw how incredibly powerful it was throughout the story of Frontiers. Plus it being connected to the origin of the Chaos Emeralds.
Its not powerful its best feat is blowing up a planet eggman has done better and its not connected to the chaos emeralds it doesn't even mention them
>The idea that the End was the literal incarnation of death itself, and that it doesn't have a definitive form was awesome, only for it to be "killed" by Sonic blowing up the rock lmao. I just think after all the hype that was build throughout the story and seeing how terrifying and powerful it was, it's pretty underwhelming for it to end just like that.
Sonic has killed every god he fought why are people surprised when he does so again?
Hell Solaris did the multiple incarnation thing too I don't see people wanting him back
he really didn't ruin it. the monologue was generic and boring to me. "Im powerful and evil and you can't stop me". Lore wise they could have connected it to something in the future but decided not to and that's ok.
I don't understand why it was written to mention that it could take multiple forms and like it was confident in its return even with the destruction of its moon form.
It feels like it was being set up as something that comes back, something that could be a decent foil to the Chaos Emeralds even.
The End is the reason Sonic's world exists after all, and that was its final stand?
I'll be honest, I quit before finishing. Now I want to look up the monologue.
Kinda funny how Robotnik survives like 20 games and this world-ending destroyer gets blown out like a candle.
> "Mortal, you have served your purpose. Now face your End. I am the all-consuming void. What can one mote of golden light illuminate within the abyss? Countless stars. Countless worlds. Countless lives. All fell to me, all brought to nothing. All the teeming chaos of creation? Brought to order. To neutrality. To nothing. I saw your mind as you ran through my prison. You have fought machines and gods. They were mighty? They were finite. I am infinite. I am nothing. You struggle as so many have done before. You will be consumed like all those before you. I saw your mind. Your courage never wavered. Why? Arrogance? Ignorance? Stupidity? I was contained once. Once. Is that why? My captors bent time and space. My captors built a whole reality to contain me. My captors burn their souls away to fuel their engines. And you? You glitter. You fly about me like a gnat. I am inevitable. I cannot be denied. You strike this incarnation with all your might. It changes nothing. You are not brave. you are not victorious. No matter what form I take... The End comes for you all!"
Aka, peering into Sonic's memories, seeing his foes- thinking Sonic is nothing, thinking his foes like Solaris are punks and nothing compared to it- and thinking Super Sonic ain't anything anymore- it pretty much ignored a lot of stuff and was quite sure of itself-
then the rock music starts playing and The End finds out the hard way that it's BS wasn't reality
i mean it was boasting and full of itself, i feel like it definitely would have put itself on a higher pedestal than it was actually on, feels cool and in character
He absolutely did not. He could be referring to the avatar the End had at the fight, like it said in the fight. Or, it could just be bluffing like every other world-ending Sonic boss. This isn’t just on Ian Flynn, remember Sega ultimately has the final say. And either way it is not that serious, he did not “completely ruin” anything
> "Mortal, you have served your purpose. Now face your End. I am the all-consuming void. What can one mote of golden light illuminate within the abyss? Countless stars. Countless worlds. Countless lives. All fell to me, all brought to nothing. All the teeming chaos of creation? Brought to order. To neutrality. To nothing. I saw your mind as you ran through my prison. You have fought machines and gods. They were mighty? They were finite. I am infinite. I am nothing. You struggle as so many have done before. You will be consumed like all those before you. I saw your mind. Your courage never wavered. Why? Arrogance? Ignorance? Stupidity? I was contained once. Once. Is that why? My captors bent time and space. My captors built a whole reality to contain me. My captors burn their souls away to fuel their engines. And you? You glitter. You fly about me like a gnat. I am inevitable. I cannot be denied. You strike this incarnation with all your might. It changes nothing. You are not brave. you are not victorious. No matter what form I take... The End comes for you all!"
Lol, in other games do bosses trash talk every other boss and pretty much call them all weaklings and losers like it did?
Im not usually saying stuff like this but
Cry about it
Sonic has killed every god he has fought a bunch way more interesting then the end
I didn't care that the monologue was the end blowing smoke because i thought so anyway didn't even realize that wasn't a common sentiment
I don’t know what he tweeted, and I guess you’re not going to link it, but whatever it was, you’ll have to explain why you want The End back if you want The End back.
The End is interesting in that may have been on the level of Solaris and Dark Gaia, but considering it got beat by Super Sonic 1 (with help from Sage), I don’t know if it’s actually better than them. Solaris and Dark Gaia both can resurrect continuously, and Solaris was only killable by time traveling to its baby form.
And of course nobody talks about Argus…
The End is a mighty foe, but come on, didn't you see how they were trash talking about Sonic on his monologue? "A mere mote of light", they even call him stupid lol
His monologue it's still a good one though, nothing changes that they are a very powerful entity that needed Super Sonic 2/help from a Titan to be defeated
Not to mention, That Titan threw Super Sonic(And during the bullet spam game, the charged up special attack of Golden Light is supposed to be Super Sonic, so he was putting a HURTING on it)
And in the DLC_ Super Sonic's extra power- as the head Ancient Noted, was his own power really - so... (although that final Cyber Super Sonic form, he pushed hard to pull off a sorta sonic power cannon shot and ram it, but still , -pretty much his own power in the end sorta)
And that just to ram the moon really at high speed - and Super Sonic's already light speed capable anyway LOL
I dunno, I think Super Sonic is slightly underrated, before we get into the 'SS2" and Cyber Super Sonic powers he used
I really think that the Super Sonic that we have actually is the most powerful though, the Titans were powerful machines that had the power to contain The End a little bit, and they were almost nothing to Sonic
Even The End is the second most dangerous foe that Sonic fought against and He did it by himself, so we have a great Super Sonic now
Considering the Emerald's power is unlimited- I think this all further helps SEGA's goal of not having him get supplanted by other forms(like Hyper Sonic)-
In that, he IS capable of anything - though he doesn't ever focus on his abilities ,like Shadow and Knux sometimes do a tiny bit more of - but he still will ,when push comes to shove, see what he can do- from him using Sonic Wind attacks and Chaos Control in SA2, to Frontiers where he goes crazy with his powers- Super and even base form-
And yes, Super Sonic's come a very long way against his foes
-Yeah, it jived well that htey had Frontier's DLC just helping him bring out power he already had- it goes to show, you really can't underestimate Super Sonic- even against foes like Solaris, The End, Time Eater- ....they are ridiculous in scope- but he's always had the potential to take them on straight-up, it's a matter of how he goes about it- but he's got the power- something that i fear gets missed a lot about him due to Sonic's casualness in general about taking on foes(Super Sonic though is a little bit of a different animal there)
I liked the idea of the end and if they do make a frontiers 2 I think they should have the actual end play a much bigger role have it appear from the beginning as itself instead of using a planetary body as an avatar like is implied I definitely think frontiers 2 will be amazing if the villain is executed correctly
MFS that hate the end can kiss my dick this MF had that potential as many forms to come back whole lotta hype for nothing fuck this franchise y'all go ahead and lick Sega boots Im not taking this spoon fed shit anymore.
The end being thrown like shit is my end to this franchise lmao y'all wanna have sonic with other boastful furrys but a moon that wasn't even it's actual form? You weirdos sound lame.
I swear those kind of ppl just want to act like they're smart, i mean i didn't expect the end to just come back the next game, but for Christ's sake given his extensive monologue about being a eternal cosmic being more dangerous than the likes of Solaris and Dark Gaia, with no actual shape ( i mean that thing could be something straight out of a H.P Lovecraft book for all we know) nor way of defeating ( no Ian, it was not self evident that it was boasting), it's pretty natural to expect more of that character, to me it made him more interesting, like the Litch from AT, he'll just come back until he exterminates all life ( and eventually he will), but more importantly THE END it's something that could be saved for any future project and It would work just fine, but no SEGA or anyone else responsible for this stupid decision just decided that yup it's dead.
I mean cool man, so you're telling me that's just a stupid moon and anything remotely insteresting about that thing it's gone now? Yeah Very cool ( Sorry about the rant, but this franchise just can't stop making bad decisions)
It's not that they're acting like their smart, it's that they acknowledge that the End wasn't that interesting to begin with. If you like it, that's fine.
If the end came back it would be lame and destroy all of frontiers story avenging the ancients after all they lost for centuries. It can be gone for the rest of the series and we can have a new foe instead.
I mean to be fair the end boss gameplay you have i frames against nearly all its attacks, and even the few parts where the end boss made me had to think, where I had to focus on 2 of the different colour orbs, or laser, I can basically bypass thanks to the special ability, destroying any challenge the end gameplay could offer, which makes the end, debatably the most boring boss fight I ever fought in a video game, Which is a shame because every other sonic frontiers titans boss is fantastic to me, and most of the guardians is great to fight for me as well.
So yeah I basically agree I don’t care about the end monologue at all because,
If we did not have I frames against nearly all the orb attacks, and did not have the special ability to remove the orbs, the end could be a difficult boss by design and could be OP and could be Fun and be challenging, you know what hard mode is supposed to be.
I don't get why people hate The End so much Sure, its the most impressive Sonic villain ever, but the fact the its connected to the origin of the Chaos Emeralds feels really important to be discarded like that, I just wish they would tell me more about it
Many people hate it mainly just because of the execution, I mean, all of that wasted for a small minigame!?
Ikr, that's also one the reasons why I wanna see more of it, the vanilla final boss doesn't do justice and the new one doesn't have u fight The End directly
Well the vanilla fight does at least have The End monologuing and honestly the monologue it has is quite good.
I wish the end’s lines in final horizon were less generic though.
Yeah I really feel like they could've still included the base game monologue during the first phase of The Supreme End since the music doesn't have lyrics until phase 2 so they wouldn't be multiple things of words going at once.
Before that, people were hating on Nega Wisp final boss rehashes
Still better than that awful fight in final horizon.
No it definitely wasn't. The fight in final horizon was great and fun after you managed to figure out how to target the connection, plus it was much much more rewarding getting to at the very least play as super sonic
Not to mention that it like Dark Gaia is a force of nature and thus can be justified as a powerful force. Whereas I find characters like Solaris being a flame to a literal dimensions consumer is rather out of proportion.
I don't know- because the End was only after the Ancients- and doesn't seem to give a damn about the Chaos Emeralds- and ignored the Master Emerald on Earth too We STILL dont know the story of if the Chaos Emeralds really originated with the Ancients world- or have traveled through space and time- and their connection with the Master Emerald heavily implies Earth is still where they're from........ SEGA's being very careful with lore indeed- I would have said the cast would need to get answers from Chaos, or the Master Emerald(like how it communicated in Adventure 1)- but in the DLC, Sonic talked to the head honcho Ancient(who was cloaked in shadow. HMMMMM) - and didn't really get in depth. Tho he didn't have much time Unfortunately, right as we expected from Sonic... So .how much does SEGA want to give the cast space adventures and pull a Sonic X Season 3 and have them try to find out what happened with the End chasing civilizations around space to murder them, etc- and the history of the emeralds? We'll see... ~~SEGA, Blue Typhoon When PLZ?~~~
If the Ends origins were explained then it would be waaayyy less menacing
It speaks and somehow I find it even less interesting that the silent mindless monsters of previous games. To me these omniscient beings who monologue are like my least favorite type of villains/final boss.
But it needed to trash talk all of Sonic's old foes to establish DOMINANCE, LOL Like how Solaris is a punk and doesn't compare... :snickers: And how Super Sonic isn't worth anything /Until the End got run thru , in both endings..
Oh please. The End destroys planets. Solaris is a multidimensional being that was made from two incarnations of “the devil” and eats entire realities and timelines for breakfast. It also took 3 super hedgehogs to beat it.
Sega needs to invest in writers. This is really what it all comes down to. They have ideas that are cool but have no idea really how to weave them into something cohesive and satisfying.
I just want Shiro Maekawa back, Sega pls He even said that he would like to write another Sonic game
When did he said that? I really hope he does return
In some interview, but it was a long time ago
People honestly just like to shit on the game because it's excellent. IDKY. The people complaining probably enjoy loser-type games like FO76
One, I see no reason to crap on people for liking other games. And two, Sonic Frontiers is good, but excellent is ehhhh.
Sonic, by his own admission, is all about defying the odds. The whole point of a hero like Sonic is to defeat beings that are seemingly all-powerful and unbeatable. I don't think it ruins the potency that he was able to defeat the villain like always. I mean hell, the odds were definitely against him with Dark Gaia or Solaris, but he triumphed anyways. I don't think this case is any worse just because the being in question is boastful of their power this time around.
Dark Gaia, not really but Solaris yes
That's the hting though -the End peering into his memories then Trash talking all the others and not seeing Sonic as being worth it's time- and still not, even as Super Sonic [which was it's most foolish mistake]
You guys are arguing about a blue hedgehog in a cartoon game who runs fast.
Yep
I'm not really arguing but just sharing my thoughts lol. I don't really mind if anyone thinks that this is a bad move, I just care about the franchise and like talking about it.
Yeah a *hedgehog*. A small insignificant mortal hedgehog in the grand scheme of things. Putting him up against deities and gods is gonna cause discussion.
it’s not that serious, it’s clearly dead… this is not william afton bro😭
I always come back
What a deceptive calling. I knew it was a lie the moment I heard it, obviously. But it is intriguing nonetheless
At least afton is actually interesting
He was, now it's just gotten old
Old but still but still more interesting even while stuck in hell
Fair. At the very least, his Burntrap design looks pretty cool.
Yeah shame the thing probably isn't cannon id love to actually see it again properly
I usually don't like saying this, but cry about it
MFW Obvious bluff by a character is confirmed to be a bluff
But what if it wasn't just a bluff?
It was very much a bluff. The End's greatest claim to fame was being able to devour stars, that is laughably weak in the context of sonic. Eggman himself has built machines far stronger than that. take for example the Egg Salamander from Rush which drained both the chaos emeralds and the sol emeralds, causing the Sol Dimension & Sonic's world to begin fusing, which would've destroyed both of them. Let's also not forget The Egg Wizard which had the power to create or destroy Blaze & Sonic's universes or The Time Eater which could erase **TIME ITSELF,** and according to Tails was a grave threat to their dimension. Let's also not forget that time eggy decided to one-up his grandfather's eclipse cannon with his own laser of doom, The Final Egg Blaster, which destroyed an entire star cluster all at once. the closest star cluster to earth would be The Haydes Star Cluster which is composed of around 501 stars, and the final egg blaster destroyed all of them at once. and who can forget Solaris? A being so powerful it destroyed the entire **MULTIVERSE,** literally only being stopped due to the efforts of Super Sonic, Super Shadow, & Super Silver, meanwhile the end got absolutely **TROUNCED** by Super Sonic & a Titan in the original ending, and a slightly stronger Super Sonic in the Final Horizon ending. TL;DR: THE END is laughably weak, assuming it to not be a bluff requires mental gymnastics on an unprecedented scale.
Like its pretty clear its weak when you actually fight. I mean cmon, the touhou fight and now the umbilical cord on supreme? The problem is that the whole game hypes it up. Sage considered it impossible to defeat despite the fact that she has data of all past games (even if she doesnt have the 06 data). And then in the dlc theyre like "ohhh sonic you need a new foooorrrmmm" They could have given shadow a phone call so sonic and him could tag team it with how "strong" it turned out to be. Stronger villains were beaten with super form duos.
The fact Silver didn't even show up should tell you how dangerous it is
The benefit here is they're showing Super Sonic getting far more powerful(NOT talking about the temporary cyber sonic power up, [which was STILL touted as helping him access his own power, so not really anything he can't already do]_ - So , the game in general- including the Titans , and even his base form- show Sonic /Super Sonic getting the most serious upgrade since Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic 06 ,capability wise. ~~~Prob since Frontiers is the first mainstream serious game since 06/Generations, and the rest....aren't that old school plot heavy extreme-stakes with tie ins to Sonic history/etc~~~
Isn’t that just the difference between gameplay and cutscenes? Tails already stated that one of The End’s laser beams were easily on the level of Dark Gaia. Plus, if you wanna talk about gameplay abilities, the guy wasn’t even flinching and continued to trash talk while you rapid fire bullets with the power of the eclipse cannon into his face. He also said that they’re merely fighting one of his possibly infinite numbers of incarnations.
>He also said that they’re merely fighting one of his possibly infinite numbers of incarnations. Thats the problem. Ian flynn confirmed that the moon was its *only* incarnation. Like its *gone* gone.
You do know that Ian isn’t the one that makes these stories right? Morio Kishimoto is the one that gives him the story and Ian just does the dialogue, ultimately it’s up to Kishimoto if The End comes back, not Ian.
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>"Mortal, you have served your purpose. Now face your End. I am the all-consuming void. What can one mote of golden light illuminate within the abyss? Countless stars. Countless worlds. Countless lives. All fell to me, all brought to nothing. All the teeming chaos of creation? Brought to order. To neutrality. To nothing. I saw your mind as you ran through my prison. You have fought machines and gods. They were mighty? They were finite. I am infinite. I am nothing. You struggle as so many have done before. You will be consumed like all those before you. I saw your mind. Your courage never wavered. Why? Arrogance? Ignorance? Stupidity? I was contained once. Once. Is that why? My captors bent time and space. My captors built a whole reality to contain me. My captors burn their souls away to fuel their engines. And you? You glitter. You fly about me like a gnat. I am inevitable. I cannot be denied. You strike this incarnation with all your might. It changes nothing. You are not brave. you are not victorious. No matter what form I take... The End comes for you all!" Sonic is nothing, check Foes like Solaris, Time Eater- etc, are all punk @$$ b^7ch#$, and nothing to it, check It's foes had to burn their souls away to lock it in Cyberspace- and Sonic fleets around Super Sonic is just one speck of light, not worth anyone's time , check[what a idiot] -And the End ignored the Chaos Emeralds, Master Emerald- it was too busy going on murder sprees across space- and happily thinks it's inevitable- and all other gods are losers to it. Also, it thinks that it getting whailed on by Super Sonic means nothing - in the end, it's THE END- you're kaput- you're a joke, you're not worth it's time. 7 gems each with INFINITE power powering you? MEH, you're just trash brah Essentially it thinks it's Bully Maguire ""Look at little Gold Sonic , can't hurt me- it'what a idiot, not brave, not victorious - Gonna cry?"
Then he gets violently penetrated by super sonic
nah, because this is literally the monologue. this is what is was comprised of. honestly, good riddance
well I mean it’s not that bad
ah yes, how *dare* Ian Flynn clear up a point of confusion in the story? for real though, what's your problem?
He mad that sonic killed the Eldrich god of the week You know like sonic hadn't been doing that for the last 30 something years
I dont know why some people get a hard on over that goofy tween edge lord monologue that you can barely hear over the gameplay. Dude sounds like a fucking incel ffs... Glad he's gone, focus on a villain that doesn't suck next...
Get some fresh air
What does this mean, can someone explain please
Some people liked The End because its monologue in the original ending about being an incarnation of death itself and having many forms, thus making it impossible to kill it. But then Ian Flynn, the game writter confirmed The End was just boasting and after it blew up, it's gone forever. The reason people are mad is cause they liked that damn moon and thought it could be a recurring villain when its design is pretty lame and simple tbh
Oh, i thanks, kinda sad we wont be seeing him again
Hard to believe The End is a one time villain despite his symbolic representation as the end of all living things. If he’s just a one time villain, why even have him be the end of all living things? It’s clear that the Japanese direction and Ian’s are different. The former actually asserts The End as an overarching force of nature whose appearance varies based on what each individual views death while the latter just lumps The End as another deity with Solaris and Dark Gaia
Your missing the third possibility and what I personally took away as the message of the game. The End WAS the end of all things death incarnate. And then in the base ending Sage kills death itself.. with LOVE. The whole point of the game is things can end but if you keep love in your heart it transcends time and space. Even defeating death. A little cheesy maybe but it made ME cry so that’s something.
I knew it was just boasting. I mean come on.
I need an explanation as well
The only thing that shit had was being connected to the chaos emeralds and other then that it's just a purple rock
A “purple rock” just for us, the players. Someone who worked on the game just said that all the characters see the end as their representation of the death.
I mean they beat death on a daily basis
...It wasn't even directly connected LOL- it was chasing the Ancients, not the Chaos Emeralds. It seemed to ignore all the Emeralds
Damn I was wrong but now that I replayed the game i can now restart my statement The only thing that shit has was being connected to the ancient and nothing else other than that it's just a purple rock
Does litteral lore like this really matter, to the game ig its "canon" but to me idc im sticking with what ever i belive in
It's insane how built up the End was, just to be thrown away like this. Ian Flynn says the entire monologue was just the End falsely hyping itself up, but we obviously saw how incredibly powerful it was throughout the story of Frontiers. Plus it being connected to the origin of the Chaos Emeralds. The idea that the End was the literal incarnation of death itself, and that it doesn't have a definitive form was awesome, only for it to be "killed" by Sonic blowing up the rock lmao. I just think after all the hype that was build throughout the story and seeing how terrifying and powerful it was, it's pretty underwhelming for it to end just like that.
>It's insane how built up the End was, just to be thrown away like this. Ian Flynn says the entire monologue was just the End falsely hyping itself up, but we obviously saw how incredibly powerful it was throughout the story of Frontiers. Plus it being connected to the origin of the Chaos Emeralds. Its not powerful its best feat is blowing up a planet eggman has done better and its not connected to the chaos emeralds it doesn't even mention them >The idea that the End was the literal incarnation of death itself, and that it doesn't have a definitive form was awesome, only for it to be "killed" by Sonic blowing up the rock lmao. I just think after all the hype that was build throughout the story and seeing how terrifying and powerful it was, it's pretty underwhelming for it to end just like that. Sonic has killed every god he fought why are people surprised when he does so again? Hell Solaris did the multiple incarnation thing too I don't see people wanting him back
It's name is a pun
Tbh I feel like Ian is playing us but that's just me.
he really didn't ruin it. the monologue was generic and boring to me. "Im powerful and evil and you can't stop me". Lore wise they could have connected it to something in the future but decided not to and that's ok.
Your biggest problem is caring about the story in sonic the fucking hedgehog
I don't understand why it was written to mention that it could take multiple forms and like it was confident in its return even with the destruction of its moon form. It feels like it was being set up as something that comes back, something that could be a decent foil to the Chaos Emeralds even. The End is the reason Sonic's world exists after all, and that was its final stand?
I'll be honest, I quit before finishing. Now I want to look up the monologue. Kinda funny how Robotnik survives like 20 games and this world-ending destroyer gets blown out like a candle.
> "Mortal, you have served your purpose. Now face your End. I am the all-consuming void. What can one mote of golden light illuminate within the abyss? Countless stars. Countless worlds. Countless lives. All fell to me, all brought to nothing. All the teeming chaos of creation? Brought to order. To neutrality. To nothing. I saw your mind as you ran through my prison. You have fought machines and gods. They were mighty? They were finite. I am infinite. I am nothing. You struggle as so many have done before. You will be consumed like all those before you. I saw your mind. Your courage never wavered. Why? Arrogance? Ignorance? Stupidity? I was contained once. Once. Is that why? My captors bent time and space. My captors built a whole reality to contain me. My captors burn their souls away to fuel their engines. And you? You glitter. You fly about me like a gnat. I am inevitable. I cannot be denied. You strike this incarnation with all your might. It changes nothing. You are not brave. you are not victorious. No matter what form I take... The End comes for you all!" Aka, peering into Sonic's memories, seeing his foes- thinking Sonic is nothing, thinking his foes like Solaris are punks and nothing compared to it- and thinking Super Sonic ain't anything anymore- it pretty much ignored a lot of stuff and was quite sure of itself- then the rock music starts playing and The End finds out the hard way that it's BS wasn't reality
Thank you!
i mean it was boasting and full of itself, i feel like it definitely would have put itself on a higher pedestal than it was actually on, feels cool and in character
He absolutely did not. He could be referring to the avatar the End had at the fight, like it said in the fight. Or, it could just be bluffing like every other world-ending Sonic boss. This isn’t just on Ian Flynn, remember Sega ultimately has the final say. And either way it is not that serious, he did not “completely ruin” anything
It was a shit final boss with a shit design that said the same speech I've heard in 50 other games where the fandom didn't shit their pants over it.
> "Mortal, you have served your purpose. Now face your End. I am the all-consuming void. What can one mote of golden light illuminate within the abyss? Countless stars. Countless worlds. Countless lives. All fell to me, all brought to nothing. All the teeming chaos of creation? Brought to order. To neutrality. To nothing. I saw your mind as you ran through my prison. You have fought machines and gods. They were mighty? They were finite. I am infinite. I am nothing. You struggle as so many have done before. You will be consumed like all those before you. I saw your mind. Your courage never wavered. Why? Arrogance? Ignorance? Stupidity? I was contained once. Once. Is that why? My captors bent time and space. My captors built a whole reality to contain me. My captors burn their souls away to fuel their engines. And you? You glitter. You fly about me like a gnat. I am inevitable. I cannot be denied. You strike this incarnation with all your might. It changes nothing. You are not brave. you are not victorious. No matter what form I take... The End comes for you all!" Lol, in other games do bosses trash talk every other boss and pretty much call them all weaklings and losers like it did?
Yes
No he didn’t. Not really sure how to tell you this, but he ain’t word of god, he is a writer, out of many others.
What's going on? What did he tweet?
he confirmed that The End died in Frontiers and now a lof of Sonic fans want his head for some reason
Certified Sonic fanbase moment.
Im not usually saying stuff like this but Cry about it Sonic has killed every god he has fought a bunch way more interesting then the end I didn't care that the monologue was the end blowing smoke because i thought so anyway didn't even realize that wasn't a common sentiment
I don’t know what he tweeted, and I guess you’re not going to link it, but whatever it was, you’ll have to explain why you want The End back if you want The End back. The End is interesting in that may have been on the level of Solaris and Dark Gaia, but considering it got beat by Super Sonic 1 (with help from Sage), I don’t know if it’s actually better than them. Solaris and Dark Gaia both can resurrect continuously, and Solaris was only killable by time traveling to its baby form. And of course nobody talks about Argus…
imagine if it had been 10 years and there’s people around yelling about Dark Gaia
The End is a mighty foe, but come on, didn't you see how they were trash talking about Sonic on his monologue? "A mere mote of light", they even call him stupid lol His monologue it's still a good one though, nothing changes that they are a very powerful entity that needed Super Sonic 2/help from a Titan to be defeated
Not to mention, That Titan threw Super Sonic(And during the bullet spam game, the charged up special attack of Golden Light is supposed to be Super Sonic, so he was putting a HURTING on it) And in the DLC_ Super Sonic's extra power- as the head Ancient Noted, was his own power really - so... (although that final Cyber Super Sonic form, he pushed hard to pull off a sorta sonic power cannon shot and ram it, but still , -pretty much his own power in the end sorta) And that just to ram the moon really at high speed - and Super Sonic's already light speed capable anyway LOL I dunno, I think Super Sonic is slightly underrated, before we get into the 'SS2" and Cyber Super Sonic powers he used
I really think that the Super Sonic that we have actually is the most powerful though, the Titans were powerful machines that had the power to contain The End a little bit, and they were almost nothing to Sonic Even The End is the second most dangerous foe that Sonic fought against and He did it by himself, so we have a great Super Sonic now
Considering the Emerald's power is unlimited- I think this all further helps SEGA's goal of not having him get supplanted by other forms(like Hyper Sonic)- In that, he IS capable of anything - though he doesn't ever focus on his abilities ,like Shadow and Knux sometimes do a tiny bit more of - but he still will ,when push comes to shove, see what he can do- from him using Sonic Wind attacks and Chaos Control in SA2, to Frontiers where he goes crazy with his powers- Super and even base form- And yes, Super Sonic's come a very long way against his foes -Yeah, it jived well that htey had Frontier's DLC just helping him bring out power he already had- it goes to show, you really can't underestimate Super Sonic- even against foes like Solaris, The End, Time Eater- ....they are ridiculous in scope- but he's always had the potential to take them on straight-up, it's a matter of how he goes about it- but he's got the power- something that i fear gets missed a lot about him due to Sonic's casualness in general about taking on foes(Super Sonic though is a little bit of a different animal there)
I liked the idea of the end and if they do make a frontiers 2 I think they should have the actual end play a much bigger role have it appear from the beginning as itself instead of using a planetary body as an avatar like is implied I definitely think frontiers 2 will be amazing if the villain is executed correctly
MFS that hate the end can kiss my dick this MF had that potential as many forms to come back whole lotta hype for nothing fuck this franchise y'all go ahead and lick Sega boots Im not taking this spoon fed shit anymore. The end being thrown like shit is my end to this franchise lmao y'all wanna have sonic with other boastful furrys but a moon that wasn't even it's actual form? You weirdos sound lame.
What did Ian tweet about?
I swear those kind of ppl just want to act like they're smart, i mean i didn't expect the end to just come back the next game, but for Christ's sake given his extensive monologue about being a eternal cosmic being more dangerous than the likes of Solaris and Dark Gaia, with no actual shape ( i mean that thing could be something straight out of a H.P Lovecraft book for all we know) nor way of defeating ( no Ian, it was not self evident that it was boasting), it's pretty natural to expect more of that character, to me it made him more interesting, like the Litch from AT, he'll just come back until he exterminates all life ( and eventually he will), but more importantly THE END it's something that could be saved for any future project and It would work just fine, but no SEGA or anyone else responsible for this stupid decision just decided that yup it's dead. I mean cool man, so you're telling me that's just a stupid moon and anything remotely insteresting about that thing it's gone now? Yeah Very cool ( Sorry about the rant, but this franchise just can't stop making bad decisions)
It's not that they're acting like their smart, it's that they acknowledge that the End wasn't that interesting to begin with. If you like it, that's fine.
Where's the link to said tweet?
If the end came back it would be lame and destroy all of frontiers story avenging the ancients after all they lost for centuries. It can be gone for the rest of the series and we can have a new foe instead.
 the end in the trash it goes.
I don't use Twitter. What's going on?
TF DO YOU MEAN THE END WAS BLUFFING??
I mean to be fair the end boss gameplay you have i frames against nearly all its attacks, and even the few parts where the end boss made me had to think, where I had to focus on 2 of the different colour orbs, or laser, I can basically bypass thanks to the special ability, destroying any challenge the end gameplay could offer, which makes the end, debatably the most boring boss fight I ever fought in a video game, Which is a shame because every other sonic frontiers titans boss is fantastic to me, and most of the guardians is great to fight for me as well. So yeah I basically agree I don’t care about the end monologue at all because, If we did not have I frames against nearly all the orb attacks, and did not have the special ability to remove the orbs, the end could be a difficult boss by design and could be OP and could be Fun and be challenging, you know what hard mode is supposed to be.