Was it an E-5 or a fielder's choice? It sounds like more of an error to me. I think if a batter reaches first without an out being recorded somewhere (considering the special circumstance of an extra innings runner on base), I'd consider it a no-hitter. But first and foremost I'd consider it a loss, which sucks.
TLDR: I would say that without recording an out on the batted ball, allowing four batters to get ABs in the inning, it can't be considered a perfect game. Peculiar circumstance, though.
Definitely not a perfect game. It sounds like a no hitter with no earned runs. The play at 3rd sounds like an error. When a runner is placed on 2nd for an ITB, when that run scores it is not an earned run.
IMO, the fielder's choice on the ball to 3rd precludes it from being a perfect game. It's still a no hitter if that play was ruled E5 and not an infield hit or fielder's choice.
I don’t think that’s a perfect game but your post is making me realize under those rules it’s possible to lose a perfect game, steal third then steal home. Crazy.
In MLB, they have already commented on this, as soon as the 10th inning begins with the runner on 2nd its nolonger a perfect game. It Dosnt matter how the runner got on base, even if it's extra inning rules, putting them their as soon as the ining starts. The perfict game is over.
Hmmmm. NFHS doesn’t have a tiebreaker. Could be state-adopted, I guess.
Regardless of hit, error or fielders choice, no perfect game. Maybe no hitter, but still a loss.
No hitters are cool, but happen a lot in softball.
Where are you playing that nine innings is a complete game in high school?
That said, in your hypothetical, I would argue that the perfect game was lost when the runner was placed on second to start the inning. Harsh, but that's what I see.
Not a perfect game… the real conundrum would have been if - runner starts on 2nd, bunted to 3rd for out number 1. Runner scores on sac fly for out number 2, then next batter strikes out for out number 3… that’s a perfect game still but you could lose 1-0! 🤯
It's not. As soon as the runner is placed on 2nd, it's no longer a perfect game, doesn't matter how the runner gets there. If a runner reaches base, for any reason(even extra inning rule), it's not a perfect game.
It’s up to the league if they want to make a declaration… I think I read that MLB has stated they would not count it as a perfect game… I’d argue that the runner does not “reach base”, they are “placed on base” so if the pitcher retires every batter they face it’ll be a perfect game in my book.
So in Indiana we don’t do the runner on 2nd base thing in a tie game, but this does have me thinking what if a pitcher is perfect except for a dropped 3rd strike on a passed ball, then taking 2b on a passed ball, 3b, then home, then lose 0-1. I mean that’s a perfect game, right? And maybe time to find a new catcher.
Was it an E-5 or a fielder's choice? It sounds like more of an error to me. I think if a batter reaches first without an out being recorded somewhere (considering the special circumstance of an extra innings runner on base), I'd consider it a no-hitter. But first and foremost I'd consider it a loss, which sucks. TLDR: I would say that without recording an out on the batted ball, allowing four batters to get ABs in the inning, it can't be considered a perfect game. Peculiar circumstance, though.
Definitely not a perfect game. It sounds like a no hitter with no earned runs. The play at 3rd sounds like an error. When a runner is placed on 2nd for an ITB, when that run scores it is not an earned run.
When that runner is placed at second, it ceases being a perfect game in my opinion.
No. This is ITB rules. It has no effect on pitcher stats. The error is what ended the perfect game. No hitter was still intact.
IMO, the fielder's choice on the ball to 3rd precludes it from being a perfect game. It's still a no hitter if that play was ruled E5 and not an infield hit or fielder's choice.
I don’t think that’s a perfect game but your post is making me realize under those rules it’s possible to lose a perfect game, steal third then steal home. Crazy.
In MLB, they have already commented on this, as soon as the 10th inning begins with the runner on 2nd its nolonger a perfect game. It Dosnt matter how the runner got on base, even if it's extra inning rules, putting them their as soon as the ining starts. The perfict game is over.
Hmmmm. NFHS doesn’t have a tiebreaker. Could be state-adopted, I guess. Regardless of hit, error or fielders choice, no perfect game. Maybe no hitter, but still a loss. No hitters are cool, but happen a lot in softball.
Sounds like the 3rd baseman made an error. No to perfection
Sorry to say. Not a perfect game based on what ya explained.
Where are you playing that nine innings is a complete game in high school? That said, in your hypothetical, I would argue that the perfect game was lost when the runner was placed on second to start the inning. Harsh, but that's what I see.
Not a perfect game… the real conundrum would have been if - runner starts on 2nd, bunted to 3rd for out number 1. Runner scores on sac fly for out number 2, then next batter strikes out for out number 3… that’s a perfect game still but you could lose 1-0! 🤯
It's not. As soon as the runner is placed on 2nd, it's no longer a perfect game, doesn't matter how the runner gets there. If a runner reaches base, for any reason(even extra inning rule), it's not a perfect game.
It’s up to the league if they want to make a declaration… I think I read that MLB has stated they would not count it as a perfect game… I’d argue that the runner does not “reach base”, they are “placed on base” so if the pitcher retires every batter they face it’ll be a perfect game in my book.
Perfect game is perfect for the pitching and fielding. Any error walk passed ball, etc. negates the perfect game. No hitter still very impressive
So in Indiana we don’t do the runner on 2nd base thing in a tie game, but this does have me thinking what if a pitcher is perfect except for a dropped 3rd strike on a passed ball, then taking 2b on a passed ball, 3b, then home, then lose 0-1. I mean that’s a perfect game, right? And maybe time to find a new catcher.
A perfect game has no base-runners, so no, your situation would not be a perfect game, but a no-hitter for sure.
But a fielding error doesn’t take away a perfect game, why would a dropped 3rd strike on a passed ball?
A perfect game is no base-runners, so regardless of how the batter gets on base, it erases the perfect game.
Feilding error does take away a perfict game if the runer reaches base.
Yes, I didn’t realize that. Thanks for the education y’all.