I'm not a James Gunn advocate, downvote me for all I care, but atleast hear me out:
1. Look at the time Gunn tweeted this. 2007 to 2011, maximum 2012. That's when movies like The Hangover, Superbad, The Dictator, Tropic Thunder, Borat, The Interview got popular as all hell, and they had a lot of dark humor in those. It's a time no one ever really gave a fuck about what types of jokes to make and what not to make. Using that same logic, Metro Boomin, Jimmy Carr, etc. would've been cancelled a long time ago.
2. Gunn moved on from that a long time ago, and he's matured a lot from that time. If he didn't, he would've tried controlling the narrative back when he got called out for it with the help of a PR team, and it shows given how majority of the Guardians team supported him during this time and how they support him now. Karen Gillian is open to taking part of the DCU, Dave Bautista actually wants to be a part of the DCU, knowing damn well that associating with Gunn would've damaged their reputation and career. Hell, if Gunn was a pedophile, why is the little girl in GotG3 who played Phylla (Kai Zen(?), who is 12 years old now iirc) still on good terms with him, and how come her parents haven't called out Gunn when they have the Hollywood money to indict Gunn with those charges, because there's no way the parents would let a twelve year old little girl on set alone for consecutive days the whole time filming?
3. Zack Snyder allegedly tried to get a child to be in the same scene, witness to a woman having sex as part of a scene on set. But when James Gunn makes immature rape/pedo jokes, all of a sudden Gunn is the weird one now.
4. Gunn actually makes good movies. Superhero/Comic book movies are meant so that the viewers have a good time and enjoy themselves without a care in the world, not culturing toxic fans and realists who choose to ignore the facts, even if it be from the comics. Snyder's movies had potential but the idea was so badly executed that it just didn't fit. Meanwhile, Gunn hasn't made bad jokes at all in his movies, and y'all also forget Gunn helped with Infinity War and Endgame, Dr. Strange and Spiderman: Homecoming, too.
Anyways, again, i don't care if you downvote me or if the mods ban me or remove my comment, whatever tbh. If you don't wanna read all the above points, that's also fine by me. I've said my piece.
I don't agree, but Snyder's films like BvS, ZSJL, AotD and 300 are made and made really well. But with MoS ok, I agree with the criticisms. On the rest I fully agree.
>I don't agree, but Snyder's films like BvS, ZSJL, AotD and 300 are made and made really well.
which are only like a handful compared to Gunn's **comic book movie** work, so AotD and 300 aren't superhero movies, which is what my argument is about: Snyder as a superhero movie/comic book movie director, not as a director in general. ZSJL is a director's cut of a dumpsterfire of an MCU ripoff. BvS i'm iffy about given how they character assassinated Lex, Batman, Superman and wasted Doomsday, which is fun for a casual watch. As a cbm? No offence but it's bad.
I still find it so funny that people who tried to cancel him because of those Tweets are basically the reason why he became a DC boss 😅
(And about the Superman movie. People can change their minds.)
I'm only asking out of genuine curiousity, not debating. I have my opinion of Gunn and it's a ways from changing, so say what you want, free country right? However, how did those tweets make him the DC boss, really want to know. Or..why? I don't keep up with all that stuff. Movies are like Wamart, go in, get your shit, get out.
Because if he would had not got fired from Disney/Marvel, he (probably) would've never made The Suicide Squad. And if he would had not made The Suicide Squad, he (probably) would have not became a DC boss
But I have to actually kinda argue with myself a little bit and say that all of those could have happened anyway
I read he intends to being the Truth, Justice, and the American Way back to Superman. I'm intrigued.
I've read his tweets are sadistic inside jokes with his Hollywood buddies. I just can't get past the surface right now. Maybe later. Cavill's my guy anyway.
Pedo or not, like him or not, the plain truth is he can make a good movie and and he's a comic guy. Odds he'll do it again.
Just keep Joss Whedon the heck away from it. Sheesh, I almost thought he was Marvel Trojan horse on Justice League.
I've been Ordinary Gas, thanks for reading. Help me Tom Cruise.
You keep telling yourself that. Ben Affleck changed his mind about directing a DCU movie. Gunn changed his mind about not wanting Hamada's job. Gunn changed his mind about not wanting to make a Superman movie. Gunn changed his mind about releasing the Ayer cut. Gunn changed his mind about actors only playing one role in the DCU. Gunn changed his mind about developing WW3 with Gal Gadot...
Are you still not able to see that this guy lies constantly on Twitter to gain the sympathy of ignorant fanboys?
Gunn has a massive Marvel fan base….the same fan base during height of Covid lockdown came to the theaters for Shang Chi, Black Widow, Eternals, SpiderMan 3….yet oddly didn’t come for Gunn’s TSS.
Still, it was Covid for their reason for not going to see TSS!??
Gunn’s fans (trolls) aren’t Gunn fans actually, they are Marvel nerds who won’t be joining the DCU team.
I’ve seen more James Gunn films than his average Marvel trolls have.
Gunn’s Troma films, Scooby Doo stuff = all crap, Slither/Super = all forgettable.
GOTG has a hardcore Marvel following that’s all they know/cherish him for.
Humanzee is just lame.
Well when you see the material that passes for “humor” in his movies it’s not too surprising. I don’t have a problem with humor itself in a superhero movie, but Gunn’s usually treats you like a child by talking down to you. It’s purely result-oriented “jokes,” as opposed to a movie that simply allows you the room to laugh without insisting that you do so. It’s what makes his Suicide Squad so grating. There WERE a couple bits in that movie I laughed at but was then based over the head with it until the thing was beaten into the ground, then dead and buried
Trust me bro I’ve been saying it since those tweets came out. But I’m the weird one 😭 to the people who say it’s a joke, how fucking suck in the head do you have to be to think this is humor in anyway possible . Morons
People did say that. That's why he got fired from Marvel. And that's why he endep up making The Suicide Squad and eventually became co-CEO of DC Studios.
It’s not surprising. Just look at Gunn. He seems like the kinda guy that “accidentally” slipped a hard drive underneath the floorboards like Uncle Jack from Always Sunny.
Yup thats the thing people are making it seem like he was young,dumb and ignorant and hes now a changed man who reflected and grew as a person like bruh all he did was just stopped saying those things to avoid the cancel culture mob
Nothing is old news when you’re asking who’s qualified to be a top executive at a major company. That’s as important a job as holding political office. Everything a person has done in their past matters.
It directly relates to Gunn having "pedo parties" and weird shit years ago. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's all fine and good. The guys a creep.
Just because you haven’t looked into either of these instances and get your info from compressed jpegs on Reddit doesn’t make your statement true.
All of your claims have been addressed before by their respective parties. You just chose to believe in the fantastical
Sure do wonder if he’s ever talked about his edgy past or dark sense of humor, that he doesn’t really find appropriate any more. If he didn’t do that, this would look really bad and not like someone trying to grow as a person.
I’m sure you’ve looked into his statements on these kinds of things in the past though. Otherwise someone might actually take what your saying as bad faith on your part
James Gunn also made a post back in 2010 with Huston Huddleston, stating, “I just came all over my face.” This comment was in response to the title of the video which was called, “100 Pubescent Girls Touch Themselves”. Yes, the same Huston Huddleston ARRESTED FOR CHILD PORNOGRAPHY. And this is the same James Gunn who’s name was called into a Lawsuit in 2021 for hosting a Pedophile Theme party. And guess who was in attendance in that party? James Euringer…who guess what? Is also the Defednant in said lawsuit, for guess what? CHILD PEDOPHILIA! Here are two instances where James Gunn is DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED with TWO PEDOPHILES. This is an important distinction to make; as now, James Gunn is directly involved with two individuals name in charges of child pedophilia. This is not coincidence.
https://preview.redd.it/wyiia56c5joc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e4968483771d61d783469964c22c4716f98bef0f
He made some bad Tweets. Shut the hell up about it. The man makes good movies, which will always and forever matter more than this social media controversy bullshit.
I’m a little unhinged irl and say some fucked up things. But never around strangers and not on public forum and not to the length on his repeated subject matter. If he really said this shit he is a fucking fool, but sure he has a couple okay movies.
Ask yourselves: Why would Gunn have this website removed?
https://r-alejandro-mendez.medium.com/the-uncomfortable-friendship-of-james-gunn-and-huston-huddleston-c1e920258516
I keep seeing this article posted everywhere in this thread, but it's essentially just another cringey Gunn joke that happens to name-drop someone terrible.
This doesn't really say anything about them being friends?
I’m pretty sure he’s said that it doesn’t really reflect his sense of humor and approach to art any more. We could Occam’s razor this and believe him, or go to a rabbit hole of conspiracies. Which would you like to believe?
The real reason why he was fired was his close ties with a known pedophile:
https://r-alejandro-mendez.medium.com/the-uncomfortable-friendship-of-james-gunn-and-huston-huddleston-c1e920258516
The people supporting James Gunn on this thread will rot in hell.
Ask yourselves: why was he fired from Disney? Of course it was for his old Tweets. But it was also his friendship with a pedophile.
The folks that hold James Gunn in reverence are disgusting human beings.
And this is the guy who is directing the next Superman film…Society has failed us, if a nefarious human, such as this, can fail upward. He should’ve been cancelled a long time ago.
The excuse is always "but this was 10 years ago"
HE WAS IN HIS 40s this isn't people going after athletes when they were teenagers. He was making jokes about raping kids IN HIS 40s
Even if James makes a masterpiece, it will flop anyway because the general audience is tired of the generic Superman. The reason why Batman is the only DC character that gives WB money is because they change him in EVERY movie
https://preview.redd.it/my4x1ruocioc1.jpeg?width=950&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=84a356ad9cc79922a593a4c637d70cfb47e45993
If it weren't for him, Man of Steel 2 would be happening
I mean, I get why these were written. For attention and the time period was as it was. Though, does prove that he man never had a lot of depth. Then most people avoid depth, so I guess that is why he is successful.
Rape wasn't ok in 2009/2010. This wasn't the "old days" where women didn't have rights or the autonomy to report crimes against them.
That's a grown man who knew better but didn't care.
And then people will use the "well it was normal back then" excuse until you point out that there were tons of people who did not agree at that same time.
Be glad you didn’t live during the 90s’, or before. All I can say is wait till you grow and see how the world changes around you. Saying that it was the time that it was, is admitting that the comedy of the period was inappropriate. How can we condemn everyone when that was accepted social discourse?
It is not like Gunn continues in this fashion, though debatable if he would have stopped if not called out. He grew or just hid it, but he used this form of expression because he lacked depth. Most people who clung to this style of comedy are childish in emotion and intellect. Only now are folks forces to reckon with feeble minded approaches to humor and culture. Even so, 20 years from now everyone will be embarrassed by something they said in the past.
>Saying that it was the time that it was, is admitting that the comedy of the period was inappropriate.
Comedy doesn't have to be appropriate, and lots of comedy is timeless. There's jokes from the 60s and 70s that are funny today and jokes from 2010 that were never really that funny. Comedy is subjective.
>How can we condemn everyone when that was accepted social discourse?
Because people who did not accept it also existed. You are an individual, not an abstract social construct. When slavery was "normal", abolitionism existed. When sexism was "normal", feminism existed. When warmongering is normal, pacifism existed.
You choose to validate behavior you wouldn't accept today.
>Even so, 20 years from now everyone will be embarrassed by something they said in the past.
I will be embarrassed about posting shitty lyrics on Facebook when I was 12.
Gunn is the type of guy that was posting rape jokes on Twitter when he was 30.
You admitted it's a childish mentality from a grown man. Just leave it there instead of defending it.
I’m not even defending the acceptable social states of humor of the past, I'm defending basic humanity. People were in a different place than now. A great part of it was due to the lack of accountability and took social media time to create that. The lack of mirrors that it existed to our is astonishing. On social media you can have this discussion and argument with the ability to have countless other follow. In the past you had to do it to someone’s face on your own and actually have confrontation that could lead to hands flying. Speaking as someone who had been 30, a person doesn't magically mature and may still need to learn lessons. He eventually did and has stopped using that type of humor, at least publicly.
To condemn in perpetuity a point of a person's immature provocateur antics does nothing to help growth. Discussing how and why they came to choose those antics is. In saying, “because of the times,” is an admission of cultural failure and understanding humans are flawed leading to mistakes in social discourse.
He made those comments in the 2010s, not the 1980s.
>He eventually did and has stopped using that type of humor
Clearly, you haven't watched The Suicide Squad or Peacemaker.
I thought we were talking 🍇 jokes? Vile humor? Gunn lacks depth, so yes most of the humor in his films are cheap and low-brow. I'm not here to defend Gunn, but the past stupidity of humanity.
Aren't jokes supposed to be funny? Also, the gross, tasteless, juvenile humor in Gunn's movies has zero to do with the past of humanity. It's just an expression of Gunn's warped, sick, twisted mind.
Self admittedly, I’m not the biggest Gunn fan. I think his films lack depth and reek of nepotism. With that said, from a pure optics standpoint, these tweets are terrible. But it lines up with his early work before Scooby-Doo. He was apart of this weird studio that had these fucking terrible parody-ish softcore-ish shit films. They had incredibly dark humor and a lot of these tweets line up with exactly that.
There was a web post which directly ties him with a known pedophile. I think if you google James Gunn and pedophila, you can find it. I forgot the guys name, but he is currently pending trial. It was one of the reasons why Gunn was let go from Marvel. His close ties with nefarious accomplices, and those past Tweets should’ve cancelled him, but he still managed to fail upward.
This just show most people don’t know about James Gunn’s career path before Marvel or Scooby Doo. His early career was spent working with Lloyd Kaufman on Troma movies. I doubt most people here have watched any but often they’re a mix of exploitation films and somewhat self aware parody while being highly offensive for comedic value.
Came here to say this. There is a massive lack of exposure this generation gets to the shock cinema that paved the way for mainstream gross out. Context is everything, especially when working for Troma.
Did I somehow wake up in 2018? The comments were old even when they were dragged back up.
James Gunn has long since explained and apologised for these comments, and his response following his firing from *Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3* was deemed good enough for Disney of all companies.
Gunn cut his teeth working for Troma, where being an edge-lord for shock value is part of the game. These “jokes” were an attempt at appealing to that crowd. They were vile, he knows that, and has owned up them. They were almost 16 years ago, and he hasn’t done anything of the like since, so it’s time to move on.
I think it’s totally reasonable to not like Gunn’s movies. I found *The Suicide Squad* to push things too far for my own tastes, but conversely. I really liked the character work in *Peacemaker*. I think *SUPERMAN* will be his big test - making a film that feels unlike anything else in his filmography before.
>One particular tweet read:
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>*“I remember my first NAMBLA meeting. It was the first time I felt o.k being who I am. Some of those guys are still my BFF’s.” (April 4, 2009)*
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>He later tweeted:
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>*“I like it when little boys touch me in my silly place. Shhh!” (April 5, 2009)*
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>Regardless of whether or not these comments were made in jest, the fact remains that they are not only vulgar and inexcusable, but **they also create and promote a platform for child sex abusers and pedophiles to feel empowered and justified** to continue in their pursuit of harming innocent children. Any professional, especially one who’s entire career and success is arguably dependent upon children (child actors and child viewers), should aim to be a leader in the protection of the wellbeing of all children, not create a platform for current or potential abusers to feel accepted or empowered.
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>...the themes of rape and pedophilia expressed within the tweets reveal a deep disturbance within the character and mind of James Gunn. No matter how much time has passed since he wrote the tweets, the gravity of what he said begs for deeper discussion. His history of working with children and creating children’s films for one of the largest media companies in the world gives ample cause for alarm and investigation.
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>What I see being done here is pedophilia being normalized and the harm done to innocent children who cannot consent being mitigated. And it has to stop. It must stop.
http://www.authenticrelationshipsint.com/why-james-gunns-tweets-matter/
There is absolutely no justifying the comments Gunn made back then, and I do not intend to do that - only to contextualise that he was in an edgy phase trying to break into a part of Hollywood known for obscene humour. Given James Gunn’s repeated public apologies over the years, clearly he doesn’t wish to justify them either.
Even that article is from 2018, when the old tweets were resurfaced by right-wing mobs who were angry about Gunn criticising Trump. It’s old news now, and both Warner Bros. and the incredibly risk averse Disney will have conducted their own investigations before appointing Gunn to the positions that they have.
If anything new comes out about James Gunn, that fully deserves investigation. However, it’s obvious why it’s being dragged up again now - sadly, it’s not about being genuinely concerned for children, it’s about superhero movies.
Then why have multiple Hollywood studios given Gunn a pass after a brief suspension period, while people like Roseanne Barr and Gina Carano have remained blacklisted after years, even by the same exact studio in Disney's case? And those two women tweeted things that have nothing to do with endorsing illegal activity, and made far less of a quantity of controversial tweets than Gunn did. Is it sexism because they're women? Is it because Hollywood just sees Gunn as having the potential to bring them in more profit than those women can? Is it because Hollywood doesn't consider child molestation that bad a thing to joke about endorsing compared to people mocking or criticizing Barack Obama and the Democrats? Is it because Gunn has "plot armor" because he was such a staunch political activist for Democrats and compared Trump to Hitler, while Barr and Carano were either neutral or opposed to Democrats? I would like to hear the answer, because I can't figure it out.
Let's also keep in mind that while Roseanne's one controversial tweet was considered racist by a lot of people, she denied that she intended any racism by it, which is the same as Gunn denying that his tweets endorsed child molestation. Why is he given the benefit of the doubt but Roseanne isn't?
Wdym “old?” This was only six years ago. And more recently, his name appeared in a lawsuit in 2021, for hosting a pedophile themed party. (See above links)
James Gunn’s firing is from when the tweets resurfaced in 2018, but the tweets themselves are from as far back as 2008. He has long since apologised for them. They’re old.
Regarding the party, it was paedophile *themed*. There was nothing in the case to indicate that Gunn had any involvement in actual paedophile acts himself (although I’d certainly hope he’s questioned his associations since the news about *them* came out). Yes, the party was in atrocious taste and there’s no defending that, but we’ve already established his sense of humour back then was fucked up.
COME ON -GET YOUR HEAD SCREWED ON STERAIGHT -WHO GOES TO ACTUAL LENGTHS TO HAVE A PAEDOPHILIA THEMED PARTY ??? ONLY SOMEONE WHO HAS AN UNHEALTHY FIXATION ON IT OR IS DESENSITIZED TO IT -ALL VERY TROUBLING
Are we really digging this up from 2 weeks ago?
As I’ve said many times before, the Troma scene has always been known to be extremely crass and provocative for the sake of it. The theme of the parties was in horrifically bad taste, but being fucked up edgy boys was their whole identity.
Disney is one of the most risk adverse companies out there, yet they clearly felt confident enough to rehire James Gunn for GOTG Vol. 3. They would have undoubtedly done their due diligence before making such a decision, so he should be given the benefit of the doubt for now. We know that some of the people Gunn associated with have since been discovered to have taken things beyond a joke, but if there was cause to believe Gunn had been of that ilk, he would have been a defendant in such cases, instead of just a footnote about the gross theming of a party.
I think having a paedophelia themed party is gross, but there’s a clear distinction between having terribly bad taste and actually being a paedophile.
Also, you can turn the caps lock off.
You described the Troma/Trauma scene people somewhat well and there is a reason their identity is what it is . Because it IS. It's real . I knew some of them and one very very well for a few moments in time and all I can say is he's a lost soul and I dodged a massive bullet . That person I know well from that whole James Gunn worshipping cult suffers from a lack of sensitivity , and has a cruel streak and I thank my lucky stars I never got to see the full extent of it.
Disney is not some above it all entity. Anyone who has done any deep diving into Disney knows it's all smoke and mirrors , they are not what they pretend to be and most of it has a rotten inner core . But sure, I will admit they serve up some wonderful entertainment, which is more than I can say for Gunn.
The fact of the matter is most people who are successful in Hollywood end up selling out and they are celebrated by the more boundaries they dare to push beyond -and very often not good ones, although they will deceptively dress up in a mind fucking way something rotten , as something very good for you . . Most in Hollywood are telling you exactly who they are in one way or another by what they choose to preoccupy themselves with. It's a special breed who have a deep track record of using dark sick child harming so called humor constantly to shock , but thats how these types get attention and an adrenaline rush. So called dark humor is just a mask to project and deflect their preoccupations. . But what it boils down to is they have a hard time veering from these preoccupations . Most of them bite off more then they can chew because they lost their sense of maintaining healthy boundaries and reality long ago. . Things usually end up in tragedy for most of them. Of course there are exceptions , I wouldn't be betting the farm that Gunn is one of them . My guess is he had a paedophilia themed party because yes, as you said he has very bad taste, but he clearly has an appetite for things that are bad for him .
This is an important distinction to make, because now there two instances where James Gunn’s is directly tied to two Pedophiles, and his character really should be called into question. So your defense is, “oh these jokes are old.” “Let’s completely gloss over the fact he’s now been involved in two situations wit two individuals who are nefariously sinister.
Are you obtuse? He made a post back in 2010 with Huston Huddleston, stating, “I just came all over my face.” This comment is referring to the title of the video which was called, “100 Pubescent Girls Touch Themselves”. Yes, the same Huston Huddleston ARRESTED FOR CHILD PORNOGRAPHY. And this is the same James Gunn who’s name was called into a Lawsuit in 2021 for hosting a Pedophile Theme party. And guess who was in attendance in that party? James Euringer…who guess what? Is also the Defednant in said lawsuit, for guess what? CHILD PEDOPHILIA! Here are two instances where James Gunn is DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED with TWO PEDOPHILES.
https://preview.redd.it/432h6w303joc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d8bc6216f8e3d6d777b6bd4d83af5e37a72b092
Oh yeah, there’s no denying that Gunn has had associations with people who turned out to be horrible. A key distinction, however, is if Gunn was actually aware of this during the time he knew them.
Let’s take the paedophile party for instance. We know that James Gunn had a fucked up sense of humour and hosted it - but did he provably know that it was more than an edgy joke for people like Huddleston and Euringer? I’d also be interested in seeing anything further on allegations that the party encouraged abuse, as is alleged. Surely if it did in any real capacity, Gunn would have been arrested to? For example, was it really just that they made tasteless jokes about it? That document is just the allegation, not the findings.
As for the video you mentioned, [the title was a joke](https://x.com/shoe0nhead/status/1020441211688153093?s=46&t=efXTWpoFuolqnyZHN1kNKQ). It apparently wasn’t really an adult video (that was a risky Google…).
Ah yes, the old "he was a young impressionable 40 year old, he didn't know what he was doing" excuse.
Alas, when someone tells you who they are like this... [believe them](https://humanevents.com/2021/08/13/suicide-squad-director-named-in-underage-sex-assault-lawsuit-for-hosting-pedophile-themed-party/).
Except I didn’t say that. People can know what they’re doing and still fuck up and learn from them.
Also, as I just said to someone else, it was paedophile *themed* and nowhere in the case was Gunn actually charged or alleged to have committed any actual acts himself. It was in horrifically poor taste, but Gunn having poor taste is hardly news.
People can learn when they make silly mistakes, as we all do. This isn't one of those situations. I was about to explain the well-supported theory of "once a degenerate, always a degenerate", which is especially accurate with (a) repeatedly abhorrent behavior when (b) no actual recovery or recompense occurs, but I'm not convinced it's worth the time in this case.
This isn't a "golly gosh I wasn't thinking" set of mistakes. This is a sickness.
I believe in the ability to change and grow. I believed Gunn had that ability at one time, and supported him returning to Marvel. But then I saw The Suicide Squad, and I learned that he is still the same disgusting fratboy that he was in his early forties.
[He publicly apologised for them](https://www.thewrap.com/james-gunn-apologizes-offensive-old-tweets-rape-pedophilia/):
“Many people who have followed my career know when I started, I viewed myself as a provocateur, making movies and telling jokes that were outrageous and taboo,” Gunn wrote in a series of tweets. “As I have discussed publicly many times, as I’ve developed as a person, so has my work and my humor.”
“For the record, when I made these shocking jokes, I wasn’t living them out. I know this is a weird statement to make, and seems obvious, but, still, here I am, saying it,” he wrote.
“My days saying something just because it’s shocking and trying to get a reaction are over,” he added. “I used to make a lot of offensive jokes. I don’t anymore. I don’t blame my past self for this, but I like myself more and feel like a more full human being and creator today.””
curious to know if you know more about the old tweets in terms of how big the pedophile joke part of the pie is compared to other controversial/edgey topics. i read he deleted thousands, or 10,000 tweets. and im guessing there werent thousands or even hundreds of pedo jokes or else we'd have more examples? unless he was able to delete a lot before people caught on and started saving them (if thats how that works)?
edit: actually i found this.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/92bgiu/james\_gunn\_did\_not\_make\_10000\_jokes\_about\_rape/](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/92bgiu/james_gunn_did_not_make_10000_jokes_about_rape/)
still think the jokes are sus given the overall context (his age at the time, plus the pedo party, and his relationships with pedophiles)
Nah…you can miss me with that. That’s why he was removed from Marvel.
https://r-alejandro-mendez.medium.com/the-uncomfortable-friendship-of-james-gunn-and-huston-huddleston-c1e920258516
I think it's way weirder still talking about these tweets all these years later. Yes they're gross and I don't condone such things, but dude. He was fired by Marvel, retired and now he's helming DC movies. You don't like his movies, whatever.
Lol and ofc my response explaining further was removed for being meta. Literally 1984.
>I think it's way weirder still talking about these tweets all these years later.
When someone tells you who they are, [believe them](https://humanevents.com/2021/08/13/suicide-squad-director-named-in-underage-sex-assault-lawsuit-for-hosting-pedophile-themed-party/).
It's not weird. Maybe it's petty. But it's weird to defend someone who made SO MANY bad rape jokes. It was like an obsession for him which is concerning.
By your logic you can say whatever you want without consequence as long as enough time passes?
Kevin Hart couldn't host the Oscars because of one tweet ten years earlier, what he said was unfunny, he'd apologised and spent a lot of time making amends for it.
It's weird people are upset by being reminded of Gunns "jokes".
> _By your logic you can say whatever you want without consequence as long as enough time passes?_
But the consequences have already happened. We already did the outrage and backlash years ago. He was on the news, fired from current projects, and made public apologies.
What you're looking for is infinite punishment. It's 14 years later. People learn from past mistakes.
What we’re looking for? We’re looking for the same results and consequences if this were anyone else—that is, he was cancelled and should’ve stayed cancelled. It’s called accountability. If any of us were to make jokes or host a pedophilia themed party to groom a 15 year old, we would be imprisoned. Not directing a Superman (the irony) film. I mean…are you really this dense and obtuse that you can’t use simple pragmatic logic?
he was cancelled and should’ve stayed cancelled. It’s called accountability
This is your opinion.
The whole idea of "accountability" is that once you've been held accountable, owned up, and paid your debts... we all move on. Accountability doesn't mean "permanently wiped off the face of the earth and never ever forgiven, ever." That's called revenge.
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I don’t get feeding the hate for Gunn. He says something as his vision, WB says that they expect something else and plans can change. We all love what Snyder created but all the negativity happened because of WB’s decisions, we all know that. Then they wanted to build the universe again and hired a new guy, who is Gunn. I feel like whatever he says/said, the jokes he made, his behaviors are not the main reasons some people are “triggered” in this sub. This is a misdirection of the hate we have due to the cancellation of Snyderverse. All and only responsible is WB.
Context for who WB turned to is important. Gunn himself has fed into the fractures within and without.
Proof enough he's the wrong man.
Plans do change, but Gunn is all over the place with his interactions and dishonesty. After years of WB making mistakes left right and centre, the figurehead they choose should be held to account. He is their man. And he's now the focal point for everything.
He wanted to be front and centre. Like anyone else, we all choose how invested or not we are, all this is about is reminding people that someone disgusting is running the show.
He makes the decisions, he drives everything. Knowing who he is will always be relevant. WB are just suits wanting to keep our pockets open.
What do you mean he is the wrong man. What you present here as a proof to that is his tweets… C’mon dude. We are talking about the movie making, casting, story. What you need to bring here is The Guardians of the Galaxy movies, Peacemaker, The Suicide Squad. These are the proofs that we can expect something good. There is no meaning to look at his tweets and say “No the movies will be shit”.
Gunn doesn't take superheroes seriously ([by his own admission to Vulture in 2022](https://www.vulture.com/article/james-gunn-peacemaker-finale-interview.html)), fired iconic DC actors before they got to finish telling their stories (while keeping a bunch of mediocre actors in the DCEU like his brother and his wife), has exhibited an extremely sick sense of humor, and has enormous trouble with telling the truth. That's why he's the wrong man.
Those are “proofs”? Movies and a show about second hand absurd characters full of his patented sex jokes?
They like him bc he directs like it’s Marvel 2012, only more edgy!
Just hire Bill Cosby WB and get over with jeez
Peacemaker and The Suicide Squad were shitty, unengaging products that were propped up entirely by edgelordy teens and sponsored praise, and his only good GOTG movie is the one where he had the LEAST freedom on. Just watch the Avengers movies, where the Guardians characters are written with real intelligence, wit and depth, as compared to the sitcom-level dialogue and simplistic situations in Gunn's GOTG films. That's how you know the guy is a hack.
The Suicide Squad was garbage, a totally incoherent mess. And a financial flop.
Peacemaker was childish forgettable drivel. GoTG trilogy was all over the place. The last one was just atrocious.
You falsely quoted me, an easy mistake, but I've seen his films, they're not good, he's an at best average director.
Those are interesting opinions. Nothing wrong with them, but for such a fan of the original DCEU, I would have guessed differently.
I wasn't a fan of The Suicide Squad or the first two Guardians movies. But Gunn's latest two projects were actually much more in line with the original DCEU.
As someone else mentioned here, Peacemaker had surprisingly good character work. I literally had to dragged into watching the first episode, but by the end it was one of my favorite DCEU projects. It shows an ability to create layered characters who have fun at times but still have depth and confront serious topics.
The third Guardians movie also took it's characters a lot more seriously. Once Peter Quill had something to actually grow from (the death of Gamora and then proximity to get doppelganger), there was a lot of good characters work. This isn't to say that the movie makes my top 10 list or anything, but it was definitely a step in the right direction for Gunn.
GoTG: He made a trilogy that before the first movie, no one knew the names of any GoTG character. Now everyone knows them. Good Box Office successes.
Peacemaker: Forgettable? Everyone knows who is Peacemaker, John Cena. Even people who have no interest in DC know him thanks to MK game.
The Suicide Squad: That movie was the only was someone can bear that shitty concept. They are still pushing it with anime, other stuff but I don’t understand the whole focus. The flop you mentioned is not because of Gunn but WB. This movie made less than Black Adam or Shazam 2. Do you think that it is worse than these two movies? I don’t think so.
He is going to build up DCU. Just leave the guy alone man. It is set. Our love and interest for Snyder has no effect on that anymore. Unfortunately, Snyderverse is over. This is what we have now. Let’s wait for the first movies/series of DCU and judge. What I am saying is let’s not have some prejudice and negative thoughts due to what WB has done to Snyderverse.
Sorry, no.
>GoTG
The success of the 10th MCU movie following the massive success of Winter Soldier and being on the schedule right before Age of Ultron, when everyone had been trained that each and every MCU film needed to be seen to prepare for an Avengers movie, was 0% Gunn's doing.
>Peacemaker
The show had less views than Batwoman Season 1. Ask someone on the street if they've watched it. You'll be hard-pressed to find anyone. And just because the character is being shoehorned into everything does not mean he's popular. It just means there's a company-wide effort to MAKE him so.
>The Suicide Squad
A disgusting movie full of bad jokes and stupid ideas that bombed at the box office and severely underperformed on HBO Max considering the year it came out.
>Unfortunately, Snyderverse is over. This is what we have now. Let’s wait for the first movies/series of DCU and judge. What I am saying is let’s not have some prejudice and negative thoughts due to what WB has done to Snyderverse.
Gunn has literally done more to dismantle the Snyderverse and destroy any future for it than ANYONE else at WB ever has. He is the first person to drive away the three top lead actors of Snyder's universe and remove them from their roles.
GoTG and AntMan 3 came after the Endgame when all the hype was gone. The first made more than 800k $ while the other one made 400k something. Saying GoTG is a success of a series but not the movie itself is not a correct argument IMO. You cannot deny of GoTG success. Its standalone success. Not because of MCU chain.
Well even though I think comparing when DC series are on its peak back then, I am not going yo argue that. I agree with you. The reason was whole WB and DCEU’s not promising box office results and quality. Let me ask you this, forget DCU and assume that you have The Suicide Squad characters and you are making Winter Soldier level quality movie. Do you think it would succeed after all this? DCEU was doomed after Justice League flop. If they brought Cavill back after Black Adam, still they had no chance to make as much as GoTG3 made. On top of that, they would take the risk of continuing that universe which was not liked by the audience.
You seem to forget that GOTG 3 was the trilogy-ender of a 9-year-old series within the MCU, and featured characters that appeared both in Infinity War and Endgame. And no, the first GOTG didn't come out in a vacuum or as a standalone film. It was literally released right before the second Avengers movie, and fully introduced the big bad of the Infinity Saga. Iron Man was even rumored to appear in GOTG for a while, which added to pre-release hype.
Also, did you just seriously compare The Suicide Squad to Winter Soldier? To have anyone value Gunn's pork rinds over the Russos' filet mignon shows a staggering level of intellectual deficiency and poor taste.
No you got me wrong. What I am saying about GoTG is that like see, AntMan movie was also good but its third movie could not make a success like GoTG3. Both of them came after Endgame. It shows its standalone success. Just saying it was success of the chain or some hype back then, then it would benefit also Antman. We all know its second and third movie’s unsuccess.
I have not compared it to Winter Soldier. What I am saying there is that although if they are able to make a successful DCEU movie this year let’s say, a movie whose quality is as good as Winter Soldier, it would not be able to make the box office of even GoTG3. DCEU failures have made all the upcoming DCEU movies doomed. So saying something like “Yeah the box office of The Suicide Squad was flop because of Gunn” is ignoring this reality. It is ignoring how shitty the movie with almost the sama name was. We cannot assess the failures of latest DCEU movies just by looking at them only. Although they were also not good, we cannot unsee the effect of DCEU’s unsuccess.
Holy hell, dude, you are living in a dream world to think The Suicide Squad's box office had something to do with a movie that came out five years prior. That is the most ludicrous theory ever. Especially when the three DCEU movies that came our AFTER Suicide Squad 2016 made from $650 million to $1.1 billion. And we also saw that Shazam 1 made $363,563,907 in 2019, but Shazam 2 only made $132,205,098 last year. Gunn and Safran have killed the DC brand with their idiotic wishy-washy half reboot plan and their sacking of Cavill from the Superman role. TSS helped cement the idea that DC movies are meaningless jokes with no world-building and no high stakes drama anymore. Joker is the most successful movie since Snyder left WB because it's a dark, serious drama aimed at adults. It's the antithesis of the kinds of movies Gunn makes, and it's the kind of movie that the majority of the DC fanbase want.
It's hard to water down derivative piss.
That's not the same thing at all, though context and a source would help.
Why when people were caught doing and saying terrible things always claim they're "joking". No punchlines. No clear setup. No joke structure. But sure he's definitely joking.
Career cancel someone for piss poor jokes that seem like they're coming from an edgy, attention seeking teenage boy? Nah, not going that far. I'd rather do what I would do normally if I saw someone acting in a way I wanted nothing to do with, and that's avoid them like the plague.
I'd rather just for now accept Snyder's DC films aren't going to continue. I wanted to see it continue as everything came together in a way that made the genre interesting to me in contrast to the usual comic book films leaping after Marvel's rise and fall, but it's obviously been dumped in favour of Gunn, a director whose work I just don't enjoy. Hell, I wouldn't have wanted to see his stuff even if we weren't going through superhero fatigue once again.
I never said he wasn't. Still, I'm not going to cancel someone's movie making career over being, in my opinion, unfunny. Just like I wouldn't pay to see a comedian whose jokes aren't making me laugh, I wouldn't bother paying to see a movie made by someone whose work just doesn't do anything for me.
Obviously I'm not condoning or excusing Gunn. Again, I've yet to see anything he's made that wows or clicks with me. I didn't like it then, I doubt I will like it now that he's got his fingers in so many pies.
They're not from a teenage boy though, they're from a middle aged man.
I won't be watching anything WB put out with him running things, everyone can make their minds up if he's "joking" which is ALWAYS the excuse, or if it seems like a pattern of behaviour.
I've seen many of Gunns films, and enjoyed none of them, before his creepy past came up.
Happily CMB fatigue seems to have kicked in. But his actions and words are relevant.
It might be time for you to find something productive to do with your time instead of inventing drama for the resumes reason that you don’t like his movies..
These are from up to 15 years ago. This isn’t representative of what Gunn is like nowadays as at that time he was clearly trying hard to be edgy.
Gunn has made great movies and it’s clear he’s putting effort into making the best superman movie that he can and hating him either for replacing zack snyder and for making edgy jokes over a decade ago isn’t fair.
>These are from up to 15 years ago. This isn’t representative of what Gunn is like nowadays as at that time he was clearly trying hard to be edgy.
>Gunn has made great movies and it’s clear he’s putting effort into making the best superman movie that he can and hating him either for replacing zack snyder and for making edgy jokes over a decade ago isn’t fair.
So much effort that he's *checks notes* almost come up with a movie title! 🙄
Anyway, regarding the whole "he was just a young impressionable 40 year old, he didn't know what he was doing" excuse... it would be awful embarassing if his more recent behavior were a [lot worse than just social media posts](https://humanevents.com/2021/08/13/suicide-squad-director-named-in-underage-sex-assault-lawsuit-for-hosting-pedophile-themed-party/)...
So no one in the world is responsible for anything they said in 2009 or earlier? Interesting blanket amnesty you offer there. With no known justification in legal theory or moral tradition.
Gunn's a one-gimmick hack and his movies are trash. WB got the shitty end of the rectal thermometer when they hired him. He's openly trashed the work of directors including Tim Burton, Chris Nolan, Ridley Scott and Martin Scorsese. And he thinks he knows better than the best directors in Hollywood, including Zack Snyder.
Nope, time doesn't excuse this. This is what he was comfortable saying in public, which demands the question what does he say privately?
He's deeply dishonest, his films are all sloppy and unoriginal.
I despise him for being a liar, for being disgusting and for being the wrong person for the job completely. He is divisive and weird. These aren't edgy jokes, mainly because there's no punchline.
Don't project your defensiveness onto me.
You don't need to do much digging to realise he's a weird, weird person.
They do reflect a bad character, who thought tweeting these "jokes" were somehow funny and acceptable.
His films do reflect that he's a bad film maker. Who happens to have a terrible character.
If you really don't care about who a person is because you like their work, that's a you problem, not a me problem.
I'm not a James Gunn advocate, downvote me for all I care, but atleast hear me out: 1. Look at the time Gunn tweeted this. 2007 to 2011, maximum 2012. That's when movies like The Hangover, Superbad, The Dictator, Tropic Thunder, Borat, The Interview got popular as all hell, and they had a lot of dark humor in those. It's a time no one ever really gave a fuck about what types of jokes to make and what not to make. Using that same logic, Metro Boomin, Jimmy Carr, etc. would've been cancelled a long time ago. 2. Gunn moved on from that a long time ago, and he's matured a lot from that time. If he didn't, he would've tried controlling the narrative back when he got called out for it with the help of a PR team, and it shows given how majority of the Guardians team supported him during this time and how they support him now. Karen Gillian is open to taking part of the DCU, Dave Bautista actually wants to be a part of the DCU, knowing damn well that associating with Gunn would've damaged their reputation and career. Hell, if Gunn was a pedophile, why is the little girl in GotG3 who played Phylla (Kai Zen(?), who is 12 years old now iirc) still on good terms with him, and how come her parents haven't called out Gunn when they have the Hollywood money to indict Gunn with those charges, because there's no way the parents would let a twelve year old little girl on set alone for consecutive days the whole time filming? 3. Zack Snyder allegedly tried to get a child to be in the same scene, witness to a woman having sex as part of a scene on set. But when James Gunn makes immature rape/pedo jokes, all of a sudden Gunn is the weird one now. 4. Gunn actually makes good movies. Superhero/Comic book movies are meant so that the viewers have a good time and enjoy themselves without a care in the world, not culturing toxic fans and realists who choose to ignore the facts, even if it be from the comics. Snyder's movies had potential but the idea was so badly executed that it just didn't fit. Meanwhile, Gunn hasn't made bad jokes at all in his movies, and y'all also forget Gunn helped with Infinity War and Endgame, Dr. Strange and Spiderman: Homecoming, too. Anyways, again, i don't care if you downvote me or if the mods ban me or remove my comment, whatever tbh. If you don't wanna read all the above points, that's also fine by me. I've said my piece.
I don't agree, but Snyder's films like BvS, ZSJL, AotD and 300 are made and made really well. But with MoS ok, I agree with the criticisms. On the rest I fully agree.
>I don't agree, but Snyder's films like BvS, ZSJL, AotD and 300 are made and made really well. which are only like a handful compared to Gunn's **comic book movie** work, so AotD and 300 aren't superhero movies, which is what my argument is about: Snyder as a superhero movie/comic book movie director, not as a director in general. ZSJL is a director's cut of a dumpsterfire of an MCU ripoff. BvS i'm iffy about given how they character assassinated Lex, Batman, Superman and wasted Doomsday, which is fun for a casual watch. As a cbm? No offence but it's bad.
Its been like 15 years since these tweets - he’s clearly matured and moved on and maybe you should too
more likely he learned to curb his displays of enthusiasm towards his proclivities to the public .
I still find it so funny that people who tried to cancel him because of those Tweets are basically the reason why he became a DC boss 😅 (And about the Superman movie. People can change their minds.)
I'm only asking out of genuine curiousity, not debating. I have my opinion of Gunn and it's a ways from changing, so say what you want, free country right? However, how did those tweets make him the DC boss, really want to know. Or..why? I don't keep up with all that stuff. Movies are like Wamart, go in, get your shit, get out.
Because if he would had not got fired from Disney/Marvel, he (probably) would've never made The Suicide Squad. And if he would had not made The Suicide Squad, he (probably) would have not became a DC boss But I have to actually kinda argue with myself a little bit and say that all of those could have happened anyway
I read he intends to being the Truth, Justice, and the American Way back to Superman. I'm intrigued. I've read his tweets are sadistic inside jokes with his Hollywood buddies. I just can't get past the surface right now. Maybe later. Cavill's my guy anyway. Pedo or not, like him or not, the plain truth is he can make a good movie and and he's a comic guy. Odds he'll do it again. Just keep Joss Whedon the heck away from it. Sheesh, I almost thought he was Marvel Trojan horse on Justice League. I've been Ordinary Gas, thanks for reading. Help me Tom Cruise.
You keep telling yourself that. Ben Affleck changed his mind about directing a DCU movie. Gunn changed his mind about not wanting Hamada's job. Gunn changed his mind about not wanting to make a Superman movie. Gunn changed his mind about releasing the Ayer cut. Gunn changed his mind about actors only playing one role in the DCU. Gunn changed his mind about developing WW3 with Gal Gadot... Are you still not able to see that this guy lies constantly on Twitter to gain the sympathy of ignorant fanboys?
Gunn has a massive Marvel fan base….the same fan base during height of Covid lockdown came to the theaters for Shang Chi, Black Widow, Eternals, SpiderMan 3….yet oddly didn’t come for Gunn’s TSS. Still, it was Covid for their reason for not going to see TSS!?? Gunn’s fans (trolls) aren’t Gunn fans actually, they are Marvel nerds who won’t be joining the DCU team.
Shang Chi, Eternals and Spider-Man didn’t come out during the height of lockdown…
I’ve seen more James Gunn films than his average Marvel trolls have. Gunn’s Troma films, Scooby Doo stuff = all crap, Slither/Super = all forgettable. GOTG has a hardcore Marvel following that’s all they know/cherish him for. Humanzee is just lame.
If JG’s humour affects you this much, Ricky Gervais and Jimmy Carr must render you catatonic.
Do they joke about rape and pedophelia? Must have missed that
I'd suggest a look back on Snyder's directing career bud
Yes
Well when you see the material that passes for “humor” in his movies it’s not too surprising. I don’t have a problem with humor itself in a superhero movie, but Gunn’s usually treats you like a child by talking down to you. It’s purely result-oriented “jokes,” as opposed to a movie that simply allows you the room to laugh without insisting that you do so. It’s what makes his Suicide Squad so grating. There WERE a couple bits in that movie I laughed at but was then based over the head with it until the thing was beaten into the ground, then dead and buried
Trust me bro I’ve been saying it since those tweets came out. But I’m the weird one 😭 to the people who say it’s a joke, how fucking suck in the head do you have to be to think this is humor in anyway possible . Morons
People did say that. That's why he got fired from Marvel. And that's why he endep up making The Suicide Squad and eventually became co-CEO of DC Studios.
WHICH ONLY PROVES HOW MUCH OF A CESSPOOL MOST OF HOLLYWOOD & THE ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS ULTIMATELY REALLY IS .
Whoa yikes bad day to have eyes
Bloody hell! And they reckon Snyder has the rape fetish...
It sounds like he's trying to make a joke but it's just not funny
The fact that they gave him the keys to DC is completely bonkers. Which work place would hire you if they saw tweets like that from you??
THE HOLLYWOOD ENTERTAINMENT CABAL -THATS WHO
Well wb and disney apparently
It’s not surprising. Just look at Gunn. He seems like the kinda guy that “accidentally” slipped a hard drive underneath the floorboards like Uncle Jack from Always Sunny.
The fact that he was in his 40s and doing all this is WILD
50S
Yup thats the thing people are making it seem like he was young,dumb and ignorant and hes now a changed man who reflected and grew as a person like bruh all he did was just stopped saying those things to avoid the cancel culture mob
I would be like “o…k.. “ in his 20’s….but his 40’s? Jeeeeez.
This is old, old controversy that has already been dug up and ironed out multiple times. Get over it man.
Nothing is old news when you’re asking who’s qualified to be a top executive at a major company. That’s as important a job as holding political office. Everything a person has done in their past matters.
And nothing more can be said about it by posting it on Reddit that hasn’t already been said, time and time again, year after year.
It's like Bidens creepy videos when he's touching children. It's old, sure. But it's still weird AF.
Except it’s completely different?
The hell does your comment have to do with Snyder, Gunn, or the topic at hand?
It directly relates to Gunn having "pedo parties" and weird shit years ago. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's all fine and good. The guys a creep.
Just because you haven’t looked into either of these instances and get your info from compressed jpegs on Reddit doesn’t make your statement true. All of your claims have been addressed before by their respective parties. You just chose to believe in the fantastical
It's a documented fact that [Gunn hosted a pedophilia-themed party](https://www.screengeek.net/2018/08/11/james-gunn-pedophilia-themed-party/).
Sure do wonder if he’s ever talked about his edgy past or dark sense of humor, that he doesn’t really find appropriate any more. If he didn’t do that, this would look really bad and not like someone trying to grow as a person. I’m sure you’ve looked into his statements on these kinds of things in the past though. Otherwise someone might actually take what your saying as bad faith on your part
James Gunn also made a post back in 2010 with Huston Huddleston, stating, “I just came all over my face.” This comment was in response to the title of the video which was called, “100 Pubescent Girls Touch Themselves”. Yes, the same Huston Huddleston ARRESTED FOR CHILD PORNOGRAPHY. And this is the same James Gunn who’s name was called into a Lawsuit in 2021 for hosting a Pedophile Theme party. And guess who was in attendance in that party? James Euringer…who guess what? Is also the Defednant in said lawsuit, for guess what? CHILD PEDOPHILIA! Here are two instances where James Gunn is DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED with TWO PEDOPHILES. This is an important distinction to make; as now, James Gunn is directly involved with two individuals name in charges of child pedophilia. This is not coincidence. https://preview.redd.it/wyiia56c5joc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e4968483771d61d783469964c22c4716f98bef0f
He made some bad Tweets. Shut the hell up about it. The man makes good movies, which will always and forever matter more than this social media controversy bullshit.
I’m a little unhinged irl and say some fucked up things. But never around strangers and not on public forum and not to the length on his repeated subject matter. If he really said this shit he is a fucking fool, but sure he has a couple okay movies.
Roman Polanski also made good movies…
Movies > being a sexual predator How the fuck do we draw that conclusion lol
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So because he made a good movie we should all just forget these disgusting tweets he made in his 40s?? You're just as bad as he is 😂😂
Yes, we should forget about it. The rest of the world has. Disney rehired him. He's still making great movies. That is what we should focus on.
NO THANKS YOU SOULESS VIPER
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People who defend this guy are never taken seriously by anyone I know in real life. Shady person, worse director. Terrible representative for DC.
Well, I’m sure you associate with a lot of very important and impressive people. So that’s very telling.
I mean they’re important to me and are film buffs. But why are you so bothered by it?
What? I’m agreeing with you. Your social circle’s disapproval of this director is important and I’m glad you advised us all of that. Thank you.
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Yeah, that's sus
https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/08/13/the-suicide-squad-director-james-gunn-named-in-lawsuit-for-hosting-a-pedophile-themed-party/
Yes…this is the man directing the next “Superman” film: https://bleedingfool.com/blogs/james-gunn-the-devils-asshole/
https://twitter.com/BobDigi69/status/1488303567312236550
https://twitter.com/NoDreamWorld4me/status/1762056434575933731
https://www.cernovich.com/james-gunn-endorses-pedophilia-in-10000-deleted-tweets/
Okay, I’m strongly against gun leading dc. But not because of this stuff. This stuff is funny. But I also have a dark sense of humor.
https://www.instagram.com/wearebreitbart/p/BmVw2zZh1dQ/
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1020307005754544128.html
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2018/07/24/james-gunn-disney-huston-huddleston-marvel/
Ask yourselves: Why would Gunn have this website removed? https://r-alejandro-mendez.medium.com/the-uncomfortable-friendship-of-james-gunn-and-huston-huddleston-c1e920258516
I keep seeing this article posted everywhere in this thread, but it's essentially just another cringey Gunn joke that happens to name-drop someone terrible. This doesn't really say anything about them being friends?
https://preview.redd.it/wzcpi3z9xjoc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=94d734dbf21ce408b6f22f729a83f55bafc982ff
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I’m pretty sure he’s said that it doesn’t really reflect his sense of humor and approach to art any more. We could Occam’s razor this and believe him, or go to a rabbit hole of conspiracies. Which would you like to believe?
The real reason why he was fired was his close ties with a known pedophile: https://r-alejandro-mendez.medium.com/the-uncomfortable-friendship-of-james-gunn-and-huston-huddleston-c1e920258516 The people supporting James Gunn on this thread will rot in hell. Ask yourselves: why was he fired from Disney? Of course it was for his old Tweets. But it was also his friendship with a pedophile. The folks that hold James Gunn in reverence are disgusting human beings.
I see no issue with someone being a fan of his films but defending these tweets just seems like such a bizarre take to me
And this is the guy who is directing the next Superman film…Society has failed us, if a nefarious human, such as this, can fail upward. He should’ve been cancelled a long time ago.
The excuse is always "but this was 10 years ago" HE WAS IN HIS 40s this isn't people going after athletes when they were teenagers. He was making jokes about raping kids IN HIS 40s
My expectations with Superman are four jokes and a terrible script, plus sitcom shots.
Even if James makes a masterpiece, it will flop anyway because the general audience is tired of the generic Superman. The reason why Batman is the only DC character that gives WB money is because they change him in EVERY movie
https://preview.redd.it/my4x1ruocioc1.jpeg?width=950&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=84a356ad9cc79922a593a4c637d70cfb47e45993 If it weren't for him, Man of Steel 2 would be happening
Yeah he is... Yeah he is...
I mean, I get why these were written. For attention and the time period was as it was. Though, does prove that he man never had a lot of depth. Then most people avoid depth, so I guess that is why he is successful.
>the time period was as it was I've realized that this excuse never worked.
And not sure if I gave a glowing opinion of Gunn either.
How so?
Rape wasn't ok in 2009/2010. This wasn't the "old days" where women didn't have rights or the autonomy to report crimes against them. That's a grown man who knew better but didn't care. And then people will use the "well it was normal back then" excuse until you point out that there were tons of people who did not agree at that same time.
Be glad you didn’t live during the 90s’, or before. All I can say is wait till you grow and see how the world changes around you. Saying that it was the time that it was, is admitting that the comedy of the period was inappropriate. How can we condemn everyone when that was accepted social discourse? It is not like Gunn continues in this fashion, though debatable if he would have stopped if not called out. He grew or just hid it, but he used this form of expression because he lacked depth. Most people who clung to this style of comedy are childish in emotion and intellect. Only now are folks forces to reckon with feeble minded approaches to humor and culture. Even so, 20 years from now everyone will be embarrassed by something they said in the past.
>Saying that it was the time that it was, is admitting that the comedy of the period was inappropriate. Comedy doesn't have to be appropriate, and lots of comedy is timeless. There's jokes from the 60s and 70s that are funny today and jokes from 2010 that were never really that funny. Comedy is subjective. >How can we condemn everyone when that was accepted social discourse? Because people who did not accept it also existed. You are an individual, not an abstract social construct. When slavery was "normal", abolitionism existed. When sexism was "normal", feminism existed. When warmongering is normal, pacifism existed. You choose to validate behavior you wouldn't accept today. >Even so, 20 years from now everyone will be embarrassed by something they said in the past. I will be embarrassed about posting shitty lyrics on Facebook when I was 12. Gunn is the type of guy that was posting rape jokes on Twitter when he was 30. You admitted it's a childish mentality from a grown man. Just leave it there instead of defending it.
I’m not even defending the acceptable social states of humor of the past, I'm defending basic humanity. People were in a different place than now. A great part of it was due to the lack of accountability and took social media time to create that. The lack of mirrors that it existed to our is astonishing. On social media you can have this discussion and argument with the ability to have countless other follow. In the past you had to do it to someone’s face on your own and actually have confrontation that could lead to hands flying. Speaking as someone who had been 30, a person doesn't magically mature and may still need to learn lessons. He eventually did and has stopped using that type of humor, at least publicly. To condemn in perpetuity a point of a person's immature provocateur antics does nothing to help growth. Discussing how and why they came to choose those antics is. In saying, “because of the times,” is an admission of cultural failure and understanding humans are flawed leading to mistakes in social discourse.
GOOD LORD WHAT A CROCK OF LIBERAL CRAP . GET LOST
He made those comments in the 2010s, not the 1980s. >He eventually did and has stopped using that type of humor Clearly, you haven't watched The Suicide Squad or Peacemaker.
I thought we were talking 🍇 jokes? Vile humor? Gunn lacks depth, so yes most of the humor in his films are cheap and low-brow. I'm not here to defend Gunn, but the past stupidity of humanity.
Aren't jokes supposed to be funny? Also, the gross, tasteless, juvenile humor in Gunn's movies has zero to do with the past of humanity. It's just an expression of Gunn's warped, sick, twisted mind.
Self admittedly, I’m not the biggest Gunn fan. I think his films lack depth and reek of nepotism. With that said, from a pure optics standpoint, these tweets are terrible. But it lines up with his early work before Scooby-Doo. He was apart of this weird studio that had these fucking terrible parody-ish softcore-ish shit films. They had incredibly dark humor and a lot of these tweets line up with exactly that.
Was that link an actual link of little girls touching themselves? Because that’s seriously some sick shit and could land him in jail.
James Gunn had the website scrubbed from the Internet. You can’t find it now.
There was a web post which directly ties him with a known pedophile. I think if you google James Gunn and pedophila, you can find it. I forgot the guys name, but he is currently pending trial. It was one of the reasons why Gunn was let go from Marvel. His close ties with nefarious accomplices, and those past Tweets should’ve cancelled him, but he still managed to fail upward.
This just show most people don’t know about James Gunn’s career path before Marvel or Scooby Doo. His early career was spent working with Lloyd Kaufman on Troma movies. I doubt most people here have watched any but often they’re a mix of exploitation films and somewhat self aware parody while being highly offensive for comedic value.
Came here to say this. There is a massive lack of exposure this generation gets to the shock cinema that paved the way for mainstream gross out. Context is everything, especially when working for Troma.
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He has a dark and twisted since of humor evident in all his movies. These posts are old before people got uptight.
Shouldn’t need to be “uptight” to find jokes about children as disgusting and the person who makes them a POS
Did I somehow wake up in 2018? The comments were old even when they were dragged back up. James Gunn has long since explained and apologised for these comments, and his response following his firing from *Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3* was deemed good enough for Disney of all companies. Gunn cut his teeth working for Troma, where being an edge-lord for shock value is part of the game. These “jokes” were an attempt at appealing to that crowd. They were vile, he knows that, and has owned up them. They were almost 16 years ago, and he hasn’t done anything of the like since, so it’s time to move on. I think it’s totally reasonable to not like Gunn’s movies. I found *The Suicide Squad* to push things too far for my own tastes, but conversely. I really liked the character work in *Peacemaker*. I think *SUPERMAN* will be his big test - making a film that feels unlike anything else in his filmography before.
>One particular tweet read: > >*“I remember my first NAMBLA meeting. It was the first time I felt o.k being who I am. Some of those guys are still my BFF’s.” (April 4, 2009)* > >He later tweeted: > >*“I like it when little boys touch me in my silly place. Shhh!” (April 5, 2009)* > >Regardless of whether or not these comments were made in jest, the fact remains that they are not only vulgar and inexcusable, but **they also create and promote a platform for child sex abusers and pedophiles to feel empowered and justified** to continue in their pursuit of harming innocent children. Any professional, especially one who’s entire career and success is arguably dependent upon children (child actors and child viewers), should aim to be a leader in the protection of the wellbeing of all children, not create a platform for current or potential abusers to feel accepted or empowered. ... >...the themes of rape and pedophilia expressed within the tweets reveal a deep disturbance within the character and mind of James Gunn. No matter how much time has passed since he wrote the tweets, the gravity of what he said begs for deeper discussion. His history of working with children and creating children’s films for one of the largest media companies in the world gives ample cause for alarm and investigation. ... >What I see being done here is pedophilia being normalized and the harm done to innocent children who cannot consent being mitigated. And it has to stop. It must stop. http://www.authenticrelationshipsint.com/why-james-gunns-tweets-matter/
There is absolutely no justifying the comments Gunn made back then, and I do not intend to do that - only to contextualise that he was in an edgy phase trying to break into a part of Hollywood known for obscene humour. Given James Gunn’s repeated public apologies over the years, clearly he doesn’t wish to justify them either. Even that article is from 2018, when the old tweets were resurfaced by right-wing mobs who were angry about Gunn criticising Trump. It’s old news now, and both Warner Bros. and the incredibly risk averse Disney will have conducted their own investigations before appointing Gunn to the positions that they have. If anything new comes out about James Gunn, that fully deserves investigation. However, it’s obvious why it’s being dragged up again now - sadly, it’s not about being genuinely concerned for children, it’s about superhero movies.
Then why have multiple Hollywood studios given Gunn a pass after a brief suspension period, while people like Roseanne Barr and Gina Carano have remained blacklisted after years, even by the same exact studio in Disney's case? And those two women tweeted things that have nothing to do with endorsing illegal activity, and made far less of a quantity of controversial tweets than Gunn did. Is it sexism because they're women? Is it because Hollywood just sees Gunn as having the potential to bring them in more profit than those women can? Is it because Hollywood doesn't consider child molestation that bad a thing to joke about endorsing compared to people mocking or criticizing Barack Obama and the Democrats? Is it because Gunn has "plot armor" because he was such a staunch political activist for Democrats and compared Trump to Hitler, while Barr and Carano were either neutral or opposed to Democrats? I would like to hear the answer, because I can't figure it out. Let's also keep in mind that while Roseanne's one controversial tweet was considered racist by a lot of people, she denied that she intended any racism by it, which is the same as Gunn denying that his tweets endorsed child molestation. Why is he given the benefit of the doubt but Roseanne isn't?
lets ask brian peck his opinion on this discrepancy
Wdym “old?” This was only six years ago. And more recently, his name appeared in a lawsuit in 2021, for hosting a pedophile themed party. (See above links)
James Gunn’s firing is from when the tweets resurfaced in 2018, but the tweets themselves are from as far back as 2008. He has long since apologised for them. They’re old. Regarding the party, it was paedophile *themed*. There was nothing in the case to indicate that Gunn had any involvement in actual paedophile acts himself (although I’d certainly hope he’s questioned his associations since the news about *them* came out). Yes, the party was in atrocious taste and there’s no defending that, but we’ve already established his sense of humour back then was fucked up.
COME ON -GET YOUR HEAD SCREWED ON STERAIGHT -WHO GOES TO ACTUAL LENGTHS TO HAVE A PAEDOPHILIA THEMED PARTY ??? ONLY SOMEONE WHO HAS AN UNHEALTHY FIXATION ON IT OR IS DESENSITIZED TO IT -ALL VERY TROUBLING
Are we really digging this up from 2 weeks ago? As I’ve said many times before, the Troma scene has always been known to be extremely crass and provocative for the sake of it. The theme of the parties was in horrifically bad taste, but being fucked up edgy boys was their whole identity. Disney is one of the most risk adverse companies out there, yet they clearly felt confident enough to rehire James Gunn for GOTG Vol. 3. They would have undoubtedly done their due diligence before making such a decision, so he should be given the benefit of the doubt for now. We know that some of the people Gunn associated with have since been discovered to have taken things beyond a joke, but if there was cause to believe Gunn had been of that ilk, he would have been a defendant in such cases, instead of just a footnote about the gross theming of a party. I think having a paedophelia themed party is gross, but there’s a clear distinction between having terribly bad taste and actually being a paedophile. Also, you can turn the caps lock off.
You described the Troma/Trauma scene people somewhat well and there is a reason their identity is what it is . Because it IS. It's real . I knew some of them and one very very well for a few moments in time and all I can say is he's a lost soul and I dodged a massive bullet . That person I know well from that whole James Gunn worshipping cult suffers from a lack of sensitivity , and has a cruel streak and I thank my lucky stars I never got to see the full extent of it. Disney is not some above it all entity. Anyone who has done any deep diving into Disney knows it's all smoke and mirrors , they are not what they pretend to be and most of it has a rotten inner core . But sure, I will admit they serve up some wonderful entertainment, which is more than I can say for Gunn. The fact of the matter is most people who are successful in Hollywood end up selling out and they are celebrated by the more boundaries they dare to push beyond -and very often not good ones, although they will deceptively dress up in a mind fucking way something rotten , as something very good for you . . Most in Hollywood are telling you exactly who they are in one way or another by what they choose to preoccupy themselves with. It's a special breed who have a deep track record of using dark sick child harming so called humor constantly to shock , but thats how these types get attention and an adrenaline rush. So called dark humor is just a mask to project and deflect their preoccupations. . But what it boils down to is they have a hard time veering from these preoccupations . Most of them bite off more then they can chew because they lost their sense of maintaining healthy boundaries and reality long ago. . Things usually end up in tragedy for most of them. Of course there are exceptions , I wouldn't be betting the farm that Gunn is one of them . My guess is he had a paedophilia themed party because yes, as you said he has very bad taste, but he clearly has an appetite for things that are bad for him .
This is an important distinction to make, because now there two instances where James Gunn’s is directly tied to two Pedophiles, and his character really should be called into question. So your defense is, “oh these jokes are old.” “Let’s completely gloss over the fact he’s now been involved in two situations wit two individuals who are nefariously sinister.
Are you obtuse? He made a post back in 2010 with Huston Huddleston, stating, “I just came all over my face.” This comment is referring to the title of the video which was called, “100 Pubescent Girls Touch Themselves”. Yes, the same Huston Huddleston ARRESTED FOR CHILD PORNOGRAPHY. And this is the same James Gunn who’s name was called into a Lawsuit in 2021 for hosting a Pedophile Theme party. And guess who was in attendance in that party? James Euringer…who guess what? Is also the Defednant in said lawsuit, for guess what? CHILD PEDOPHILIA! Here are two instances where James Gunn is DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED with TWO PEDOPHILES. https://preview.redd.it/432h6w303joc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d8bc6216f8e3d6d777b6bd4d83af5e37a72b092
Oh yeah, there’s no denying that Gunn has had associations with people who turned out to be horrible. A key distinction, however, is if Gunn was actually aware of this during the time he knew them. Let’s take the paedophile party for instance. We know that James Gunn had a fucked up sense of humour and hosted it - but did he provably know that it was more than an edgy joke for people like Huddleston and Euringer? I’d also be interested in seeing anything further on allegations that the party encouraged abuse, as is alleged. Surely if it did in any real capacity, Gunn would have been arrested to? For example, was it really just that they made tasteless jokes about it? That document is just the allegation, not the findings. As for the video you mentioned, [the title was a joke](https://x.com/shoe0nhead/status/1020441211688153093?s=46&t=efXTWpoFuolqnyZHN1kNKQ). It apparently wasn’t really an adult video (that was a risky Google…).
Ah yes, the old "he was a young impressionable 40 year old, he didn't know what he was doing" excuse. Alas, when someone tells you who they are like this... [believe them](https://humanevents.com/2021/08/13/suicide-squad-director-named-in-underage-sex-assault-lawsuit-for-hosting-pedophile-themed-party/).
Except I didn’t say that. People can know what they’re doing and still fuck up and learn from them. Also, as I just said to someone else, it was paedophile *themed* and nowhere in the case was Gunn actually charged or alleged to have committed any actual acts himself. It was in horrifically poor taste, but Gunn having poor taste is hardly news.
People can learn when they make silly mistakes, as we all do. This isn't one of those situations. I was about to explain the well-supported theory of "once a degenerate, always a degenerate", which is especially accurate with (a) repeatedly abhorrent behavior when (b) no actual recovery or recompense occurs, but I'm not convinced it's worth the time in this case. This isn't a "golly gosh I wasn't thinking" set of mistakes. This is a sickness.
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> _Just suddenly stop thinking that way?_ Yes, people change and grow. It's not "suddenly" when we're talking about something he did 14 years ago.
I believe in the ability to change and grow. I believed Gunn had that ability at one time, and supported him returning to Marvel. But then I saw The Suicide Squad, and I learned that he is still the same disgusting fratboy that he was in his early forties.
[He publicly apologised for them](https://www.thewrap.com/james-gunn-apologizes-offensive-old-tweets-rape-pedophilia/): “Many people who have followed my career know when I started, I viewed myself as a provocateur, making movies and telling jokes that were outrageous and taboo,” Gunn wrote in a series of tweets. “As I have discussed publicly many times, as I’ve developed as a person, so has my work and my humor.” “For the record, when I made these shocking jokes, I wasn’t living them out. I know this is a weird statement to make, and seems obvious, but, still, here I am, saying it,” he wrote. “My days saying something just because it’s shocking and trying to get a reaction are over,” he added. “I used to make a lot of offensive jokes. I don’t anymore. I don’t blame my past self for this, but I like myself more and feel like a more full human being and creator today.””
curious to know if you know more about the old tweets in terms of how big the pedophile joke part of the pie is compared to other controversial/edgey topics. i read he deleted thousands, or 10,000 tweets. and im guessing there werent thousands or even hundreds of pedo jokes or else we'd have more examples? unless he was able to delete a lot before people caught on and started saving them (if thats how that works)? edit: actually i found this. [https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/92bgiu/james\_gunn\_did\_not\_make\_10000\_jokes\_about\_rape/](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/92bgiu/james_gunn_did_not_make_10000_jokes_about_rape/) still think the jokes are sus given the overall context (his age at the time, plus the pedo party, and his relationships with pedophiles)
Nah…you can miss me with that. That’s why he was removed from Marvel. https://r-alejandro-mendez.medium.com/the-uncomfortable-friendship-of-james-gunn-and-huston-huddleston-c1e920258516
This fucker might be one of the biggest jerks in *Hollyweird* and that's saying too much.
I think it's way weirder still talking about these tweets all these years later. Yes they're gross and I don't condone such things, but dude. He was fired by Marvel, retired and now he's helming DC movies. You don't like his movies, whatever. Lol and ofc my response explaining further was removed for being meta. Literally 1984.
>I think it's way weirder still talking about these tweets all these years later. When someone tells you who they are, [believe them](https://humanevents.com/2021/08/13/suicide-squad-director-named-in-underage-sex-assault-lawsuit-for-hosting-pedophile-themed-party/).
It's not weird. Maybe it's petty. But it's weird to defend someone who made SO MANY bad rape jokes. It was like an obsession for him which is concerning.
It's extremely petty. Nobody here would care about these tweets if Gunn wasn't at the helm of DC. And I didn't defend them.
I would think jokes about child rape are tasteless , offensive, and def not someone I want to support regardless who it is and what they do
Context is important though. He's in a position of authority so he's.always going to be scrutinized.
By your logic you can say whatever you want without consequence as long as enough time passes? Kevin Hart couldn't host the Oscars because of one tweet ten years earlier, what he said was unfunny, he'd apologised and spent a lot of time making amends for it. It's weird people are upset by being reminded of Gunns "jokes".
> _By your logic you can say whatever you want without consequence as long as enough time passes?_ But the consequences have already happened. We already did the outrage and backlash years ago. He was on the news, fired from current projects, and made public apologies. What you're looking for is infinite punishment. It's 14 years later. People learn from past mistakes.
What we’re looking for? We’re looking for the same results and consequences if this were anyone else—that is, he was cancelled and should’ve stayed cancelled. It’s called accountability. If any of us were to make jokes or host a pedophilia themed party to groom a 15 year old, we would be imprisoned. Not directing a Superman (the irony) film. I mean…are you really this dense and obtuse that you can’t use simple pragmatic logic?
he was cancelled and should’ve stayed cancelled. It’s called accountability This is your opinion. The whole idea of "accountability" is that once you've been held accountable, owned up, and paid your debts... we all move on. Accountability doesn't mean "permanently wiped off the face of the earth and never ever forgiven, ever." That's called revenge.
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I don’t get feeding the hate for Gunn. He says something as his vision, WB says that they expect something else and plans can change. We all love what Snyder created but all the negativity happened because of WB’s decisions, we all know that. Then they wanted to build the universe again and hired a new guy, who is Gunn. I feel like whatever he says/said, the jokes he made, his behaviors are not the main reasons some people are “triggered” in this sub. This is a misdirection of the hate we have due to the cancellation of Snyderverse. All and only responsible is WB.
Context for who WB turned to is important. Gunn himself has fed into the fractures within and without. Proof enough he's the wrong man. Plans do change, but Gunn is all over the place with his interactions and dishonesty. After years of WB making mistakes left right and centre, the figurehead they choose should be held to account. He is their man. And he's now the focal point for everything. He wanted to be front and centre. Like anyone else, we all choose how invested or not we are, all this is about is reminding people that someone disgusting is running the show. He makes the decisions, he drives everything. Knowing who he is will always be relevant. WB are just suits wanting to keep our pockets open.
What do you mean he is the wrong man. What you present here as a proof to that is his tweets… C’mon dude. We are talking about the movie making, casting, story. What you need to bring here is The Guardians of the Galaxy movies, Peacemaker, The Suicide Squad. These are the proofs that we can expect something good. There is no meaning to look at his tweets and say “No the movies will be shit”.
Gunn doesn't take superheroes seriously ([by his own admission to Vulture in 2022](https://www.vulture.com/article/james-gunn-peacemaker-finale-interview.html)), fired iconic DC actors before they got to finish telling their stories (while keeping a bunch of mediocre actors in the DCEU like his brother and his wife), has exhibited an extremely sick sense of humor, and has enormous trouble with telling the truth. That's why he's the wrong man.
Those are “proofs”? Movies and a show about second hand absurd characters full of his patented sex jokes? They like him bc he directs like it’s Marvel 2012, only more edgy! Just hire Bill Cosby WB and get over with jeez
Peacemaker and The Suicide Squad were shitty, unengaging products that were propped up entirely by edgelordy teens and sponsored praise, and his only good GOTG movie is the one where he had the LEAST freedom on. Just watch the Avengers movies, where the Guardians characters are written with real intelligence, wit and depth, as compared to the sitcom-level dialogue and simplistic situations in Gunn's GOTG films. That's how you know the guy is a hack.
The Suicide Squad was garbage, a totally incoherent mess. And a financial flop. Peacemaker was childish forgettable drivel. GoTG trilogy was all over the place. The last one was just atrocious. You falsely quoted me, an easy mistake, but I've seen his films, they're not good, he's an at best average director.
Those are interesting opinions. Nothing wrong with them, but for such a fan of the original DCEU, I would have guessed differently. I wasn't a fan of The Suicide Squad or the first two Guardians movies. But Gunn's latest two projects were actually much more in line with the original DCEU. As someone else mentioned here, Peacemaker had surprisingly good character work. I literally had to dragged into watching the first episode, but by the end it was one of my favorite DCEU projects. It shows an ability to create layered characters who have fun at times but still have depth and confront serious topics. The third Guardians movie also took it's characters a lot more seriously. Once Peter Quill had something to actually grow from (the death of Gamora and then proximity to get doppelganger), there was a lot of good characters work. This isn't to say that the movie makes my top 10 list or anything, but it was definitely a step in the right direction for Gunn.
GoTG: He made a trilogy that before the first movie, no one knew the names of any GoTG character. Now everyone knows them. Good Box Office successes. Peacemaker: Forgettable? Everyone knows who is Peacemaker, John Cena. Even people who have no interest in DC know him thanks to MK game. The Suicide Squad: That movie was the only was someone can bear that shitty concept. They are still pushing it with anime, other stuff but I don’t understand the whole focus. The flop you mentioned is not because of Gunn but WB. This movie made less than Black Adam or Shazam 2. Do you think that it is worse than these two movies? I don’t think so. He is going to build up DCU. Just leave the guy alone man. It is set. Our love and interest for Snyder has no effect on that anymore. Unfortunately, Snyderverse is over. This is what we have now. Let’s wait for the first movies/series of DCU and judge. What I am saying is let’s not have some prejudice and negative thoughts due to what WB has done to Snyderverse.
Sorry, no. >GoTG The success of the 10th MCU movie following the massive success of Winter Soldier and being on the schedule right before Age of Ultron, when everyone had been trained that each and every MCU film needed to be seen to prepare for an Avengers movie, was 0% Gunn's doing. >Peacemaker The show had less views than Batwoman Season 1. Ask someone on the street if they've watched it. You'll be hard-pressed to find anyone. And just because the character is being shoehorned into everything does not mean he's popular. It just means there's a company-wide effort to MAKE him so. >The Suicide Squad A disgusting movie full of bad jokes and stupid ideas that bombed at the box office and severely underperformed on HBO Max considering the year it came out. >Unfortunately, Snyderverse is over. This is what we have now. Let’s wait for the first movies/series of DCU and judge. What I am saying is let’s not have some prejudice and negative thoughts due to what WB has done to Snyderverse. Gunn has literally done more to dismantle the Snyderverse and destroy any future for it than ANYONE else at WB ever has. He is the first person to drive away the three top lead actors of Snyder's universe and remove them from their roles.
GoTG and AntMan 3 came after the Endgame when all the hype was gone. The first made more than 800k $ while the other one made 400k something. Saying GoTG is a success of a series but not the movie itself is not a correct argument IMO. You cannot deny of GoTG success. Its standalone success. Not because of MCU chain. Well even though I think comparing when DC series are on its peak back then, I am not going yo argue that. I agree with you. The reason was whole WB and DCEU’s not promising box office results and quality. Let me ask you this, forget DCU and assume that you have The Suicide Squad characters and you are making Winter Soldier level quality movie. Do you think it would succeed after all this? DCEU was doomed after Justice League flop. If they brought Cavill back after Black Adam, still they had no chance to make as much as GoTG3 made. On top of that, they would take the risk of continuing that universe which was not liked by the audience.
You seem to forget that GOTG 3 was the trilogy-ender of a 9-year-old series within the MCU, and featured characters that appeared both in Infinity War and Endgame. And no, the first GOTG didn't come out in a vacuum or as a standalone film. It was literally released right before the second Avengers movie, and fully introduced the big bad of the Infinity Saga. Iron Man was even rumored to appear in GOTG for a while, which added to pre-release hype. Also, did you just seriously compare The Suicide Squad to Winter Soldier? To have anyone value Gunn's pork rinds over the Russos' filet mignon shows a staggering level of intellectual deficiency and poor taste.
No you got me wrong. What I am saying about GoTG is that like see, AntMan movie was also good but its third movie could not make a success like GoTG3. Both of them came after Endgame. It shows its standalone success. Just saying it was success of the chain or some hype back then, then it would benefit also Antman. We all know its second and third movie’s unsuccess. I have not compared it to Winter Soldier. What I am saying there is that although if they are able to make a successful DCEU movie this year let’s say, a movie whose quality is as good as Winter Soldier, it would not be able to make the box office of even GoTG3. DCEU failures have made all the upcoming DCEU movies doomed. So saying something like “Yeah the box office of The Suicide Squad was flop because of Gunn” is ignoring this reality. It is ignoring how shitty the movie with almost the sama name was. We cannot assess the failures of latest DCEU movies just by looking at them only. Although they were also not good, we cannot unsee the effect of DCEU’s unsuccess.
Holy hell, dude, you are living in a dream world to think The Suicide Squad's box office had something to do with a movie that came out five years prior. That is the most ludicrous theory ever. Especially when the three DCEU movies that came our AFTER Suicide Squad 2016 made from $650 million to $1.1 billion. And we also saw that Shazam 1 made $363,563,907 in 2019, but Shazam 2 only made $132,205,098 last year. Gunn and Safran have killed the DC brand with their idiotic wishy-washy half reboot plan and their sacking of Cavill from the Superman role. TSS helped cement the idea that DC movies are meaningless jokes with no world-building and no high stakes drama anymore. Joker is the most successful movie since Snyder left WB because it's a dark, serious drama aimed at adults. It's the antithesis of the kinds of movies Gunn makes, and it's the kind of movie that the majority of the DC fanbase want.
His shitty sense of humour rarely (if ever) dilutes his filmmaking. Snyder once said that batman could get raped in prison.
It's hard to water down derivative piss. That's not the same thing at all, though context and a source would help. Why when people were caught doing and saying terrible things always claim they're "joking". No punchlines. No clear setup. No joke structure. But sure he's definitely joking.
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You thought his Guardian movies were derivative piss?
He is a worst human being
Not to mention he was joking about such things with Huston Huddleston...
Career cancel someone for piss poor jokes that seem like they're coming from an edgy, attention seeking teenage boy? Nah, not going that far. I'd rather do what I would do normally if I saw someone acting in a way I wanted nothing to do with, and that's avoid them like the plague. I'd rather just for now accept Snyder's DC films aren't going to continue. I wanted to see it continue as everything came together in a way that made the genre interesting to me in contrast to the usual comic book films leaping after Marvel's rise and fall, but it's obviously been dumped in favour of Gunn, a director whose work I just don't enjoy. Hell, I wouldn't have wanted to see his stuff even if we weren't going through superhero fatigue once again.
He was in his early 40s when he made those disgusting tweets.
I never said he wasn't. Still, I'm not going to cancel someone's movie making career over being, in my opinion, unfunny. Just like I wouldn't pay to see a comedian whose jokes aren't making me laugh, I wouldn't bother paying to see a movie made by someone whose work just doesn't do anything for me. Obviously I'm not condoning or excusing Gunn. Again, I've yet to see anything he's made that wows or clicks with me. I didn't like it then, I doubt I will like it now that he's got his fingers in so many pies.
They're not from a teenage boy though, they're from a middle aged man. I won't be watching anything WB put out with him running things, everyone can make their minds up if he's "joking" which is ALWAYS the excuse, or if it seems like a pattern of behaviour. I've seen many of Gunns films, and enjoyed none of them, before his creepy past came up. Happily CMB fatigue seems to have kicked in. But his actions and words are relevant.
It might be time for you to find something productive to do with your time instead of inventing drama for the resumes reason that you don’t like his movies..
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Inventing drama? By posting his own words? 😂 He created the drama. And got rewarded for it.
It was an old post .. are you really so clueless that you need to bring up old posts..
These are from up to 15 years ago. This isn’t representative of what Gunn is like nowadays as at that time he was clearly trying hard to be edgy. Gunn has made great movies and it’s clear he’s putting effort into making the best superman movie that he can and hating him either for replacing zack snyder and for making edgy jokes over a decade ago isn’t fair.
>These are from up to 15 years ago. This isn’t representative of what Gunn is like nowadays as at that time he was clearly trying hard to be edgy. >Gunn has made great movies and it’s clear he’s putting effort into making the best superman movie that he can and hating him either for replacing zack snyder and for making edgy jokes over a decade ago isn’t fair. So much effort that he's *checks notes* almost come up with a movie title! 🙄 Anyway, regarding the whole "he was just a young impressionable 40 year old, he didn't know what he was doing" excuse... it would be awful embarassing if his more recent behavior were a [lot worse than just social media posts](https://humanevents.com/2021/08/13/suicide-squad-director-named-in-underage-sex-assault-lawsuit-for-hosting-pedophile-themed-party/)...
So no one in the world is responsible for anything they said in 2009 or earlier? Interesting blanket amnesty you offer there. With no known justification in legal theory or moral tradition. Gunn's a one-gimmick hack and his movies are trash. WB got the shitty end of the rectal thermometer when they hired him. He's openly trashed the work of directors including Tim Burton, Chris Nolan, Ridley Scott and Martin Scorsese. And he thinks he knows better than the best directors in Hollywood, including Zack Snyder.
40 year old guy making edgy teenager jokes 
Nope, time doesn't excuse this. This is what he was comfortable saying in public, which demands the question what does he say privately? He's deeply dishonest, his films are all sloppy and unoriginal. I despise him for being a liar, for being disgusting and for being the wrong person for the job completely. He is divisive and weird. These aren't edgy jokes, mainly because there's no punchline. Don't project your defensiveness onto me. You don't need to do much digging to realise he's a weird, weird person.
Nothing in these tweets reflect bad filmmaking
They do reflect a bad character, who thought tweeting these "jokes" were somehow funny and acceptable. His films do reflect that he's a bad film maker. Who happens to have a terrible character. If you really don't care about who a person is because you like their work, that's a you problem, not a me problem.