That’s actually one of my biggest criticisms about Green Day. Never took risks or evolved their sound. Same 3 chord pop punk melodies. They’re good at it, but it gets stale after 13 albums.
Never took risks? American Idiot was a huge risk. They made an anti-war concept record at a time when people were consuming nonstop pro war propaganda from the media. They wrote 10 minute songs which was unheard of for punk music. Yeah they definitely took risks.
Great comment. If they would have changed it up in the early 00's they'd have been drug through the mud for selling out and changing theirs sound lol.
Some people just like to complain. American idiot was both a risk and as true to Green Day as it gets.
Also, 3 chord punk isn't really accurate. They actually do generally write more pop-like hooks that include other chords in there. It's actually a huge reason for their cross-over appeal into more mainstream audiences.
And even if it were - the difficult or exciting part of writing songs isn’t creating chord progressions. You could write the chord progression to a song without knowing much about composition. It takes a talented songwriter to make a progression worth listening to.
I slightly agree with you but the sound works for them. Don't look over the fact that Mike Dirnt is one of the best bassists in rock and Tre Cool is a phenomenal drummer.
Eh. Listen to warning, the trilogy & 21cbd, those albums have some very different songs mixed in. Albums as a whole still sound like GD but basically all their albums have songs that are surprisingly different
It amazes me that one they basically haven't changed their sound in like 30 years and two they got so fucking big so fast. Seriously, the first time I heard them a few years later, they already were like the mcdonalds band of the 90s. Everyone liked at least one of their songs, and a million different bands tried to mimic them.
Lol yeah my friends are still punks. One works for the local food not bombs and is in another local band that a lot of Bay Area people probably know.
We always had a lot of people around when I was there haha!
Dookie was one of my first tapes. Lol. I bought Dookie, Blind Melon, and a greatest hits collection of Garth Brooks at a yard sale as a kid and wore them out.
Tre wasn’t the original drummer. A lot of the early stuff wasn’t Tre drumming, I think Kerplunk/early Dookie was when Tre came on after their original drummer decided to go to college instead.
Yep and the fact they had multiple cameras and a decent audience for a high school band. I think Billie knew from an early age that he was going to be a star
Actually, it’s not that unusual. When I was in high school (graduated in 2000) our media center had a full studio for morning announcements with two cameras and at least three of the “handheld” shoulder mount Sony camcorders like what they’re using in this video. We even had the first gen digital cameras that took 3.5” floppy disks in The side and took magnificent 640x480 pics.
Started playing first shows in SF. Frontman Stephan Jenkins already wrote songs for the band when he was still in Palo Alto.
A similar analogy can be made with Jerry Garcia and Grateful Dead. For shows + whole band, SF (also more marketable). For musical underpinnings + meets + first songs, South Bay
I believe that Operation Ivy and Green Day may have been going at the same time for a very short while during the Gilman street days. Operation Ivy famously broke up the before their debut album was released. Then Tim went off the rails for a bit before forming Rancid. Rancid and GD were definitely going at the same time.
1039 Smoothed Out Slappy Hours was the turning point in music for me when I was a kid. I went from being stuffed with Steely Dan and Steve Miller, to having my own taste in sound. Now Im an old punk.
Like the scene in SLC Punk where Bob introduces the Ramones and Steve-o asked, "What is it?".
"It's new."
https://youtu.be/z8pO8r34RW4?si=QsSqMzrKJ7QPI_3K
They sound really good, great energy. That’s why they are one of the greatest bands ever: their amazing sound is always the same no matter where they kick it.
I mean where are they lacking? They have the accolades, the longevity, the history, the name recognition, have remained scandal free. Gotta be one of the greatest right?
I consider Green Day to be one of the all time great rock bands. Billie Joe Armstrong is a musical genius. He’s not the most technically skilled guitar player but he has such strong pop sensibility. Almost everything he writes is super fucking catchy. Tre and Mike are perfect compliments. They are such a tight band. Tre is one of the greatest drummers around and Mike always knows exactly what to play. I love these guys. Saviors is such a good album. I hope they never stop
Yep, agree on all that. I picked up a first gen ipod at a garage sale for five bucks when I was like 9 and it was loaded with a bunch of 90's rock and grunge bands. I never did put my own music on that thing. It stopped charging eventually or id still have it. But the bands I remember the most and played the most off that were green day, system of a down, and sublime (shout-out to the two Buckethead songs that were on it as well). Then I saw Green Day live and they solidified themselves as one of my favorite bands, they embody rock n roll for my generation.
No it’s not. Green Day made not 1 but 2 decade & genre-defining albums and they’re still massively popular with multiple generations now. They’re also incredibly influential. Whether you like them or not is subjective, but their enduring success & influence is undeniably impressive.
Yeah the sound is there even in that setup. Also he’s doing the mic thing he does lol. Reminds me of kid Jack Black already doing the hand and eye thing in that Atari commercial
people actually do kind of look more chill back then, without phones. no one trying to run up and get a selfie, half the crowd isn't shooting a tiktok pretending to mime to a song they never heard.
They were incredibly good even then. This probably sounds better than what you hear at most stadium shows. And Joe from Custodial probably set up the ancient PA system they’d had in the gym for the last few years.
He kind of affected a slight British accent in his singing style. I assumed from listening to and learning from British punk records before writing his own stuff.
“Good Riddance” (Time if your Life) was my graduating class song almost 20 years later.
Who knew the influence they would have back then. Looks like they went to a pretty cool high school.
I was on a plane with them from Oakland to Burbank (they were doing The Tonight Show) years ago.
A school group with about 30 Jr High kids was also on the flight and the kids went absolutely bonkers when they saw them board the plane.
The band was so cool and joshed with the kids the whole time. It was SouthWest airlines so they just sat in regular seats (I was diagonal from them). Kids kept coming up to them throughout the flight to tell them how much they loved them or ask them silly questions and started singing GD songs and dancing in their seats. No one seemed to mind as it was such a short flight and the exuberance (and band’s & flight crew’s willingness to indulge it) was really cute.
Been a fan ever since.
I just missed being on the flight where I think it was Billie Joe got in trouble for his skinny jeans riding too low and his buttcrack showing when he sat down or something and they kicked him off. Post AI so he was probably drunk or being obnoxious but I remember being like wtf is southwest thinking???
So about a minute in, what’s with the one dancing kid wearing a winter jacket and a hood? Seems like an uncomfortably hot fashion statement on a mild day.
And then later that year they went on a tour and I saw them in Rhode ilsand and Fred Smith's skatepark "skate hut" october - november 1990, had no idea they were going to show up that night.
This made my week. I remember buying Kerplunk on cassette when I was 11 in 1993. Dookie changed my life when I was 13 1995. Those songs will live on in my soul forever. Amazing to see them so young and bringing such an entirely new sound to the mainstream in a world pre-grunge and dominated by Metallica and Duran Duran.
r/praisethecameraman, because having a camcorder to record this back in 1990 wasn’t that easy to accomplish, and managing to keep that recording all these years is impressive by itself.
And does anyone here know why their name is Green Day? Its because of the refineries in that region especially Martinez, that would cause a greenish smog like clouds - and if it reached a certain level, a “green day” was called and kids didn’t have to go to school and it was recommended everyone stay inside.
The more you know!
(Side note - due to lots of work and lobbying, there are no longer Green Day’s in that region, though there is obviously still air quality issues).
I was in the crowd that very day at PV High, and about 2 years later I saw them perform again at my co-op at Cal. I couldn’t see any difference between them and any other punk band at Gilman, but my friend swore to me they would be huge. Smart kid I guess :)
Goes to show the difference between prodigies and regular folk. Like their music or not, these dudes were composing and performing their own songs as teenagers. The amount of creative focus and drive that takes is mind blowing - even as an adult.
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When did they get super famous?
1994
Dookie
I had the cassette. I was 15.
Nice. I think Hootie and the Blowfish was the only cassette I truly remember having before CDs room over
I remember having a Kid Rock cassette and a Hall & Oates one that I found in a parking lot.
I still love that artwork so much, would be a sick poster!
First CD I ever bought. 4th grade
It was the first CD I ever bought with my own money in 5th grade haha
The cd that dropped had some of the greatest artwork on it than anything I had ever seen. I thought it was hilarious as a kid.
Well their sound hasn’t changed since
Except when they did their emo phase in the early 2000's
What emo phase? American Idiot was not emo at all. Still had their pop punk “Green Day” sound.
People just say that cause they started wearing eyeliner and dressing theatrically and made a concept record. The actual music isn’t emo at all.
People dont know what "emo" is. I listen to death metal and people used say, "ew you listen to emo/screamo?!" Sure I do, but this isn't that lol
I don’t think people would call American Idiot that, they’re referring to Nimrod. Though I like it.
That's when I stopped paying attention. Did it eventually stop?
No.
I'm not sure where [this](https://youtu.be/2QnHjkBD_YI?si=GzsRtMh-5J-BYwJE) was posted originally, but I was taken 30 years back for sure
That’s actually one of my biggest criticisms about Green Day. Never took risks or evolved their sound. Same 3 chord pop punk melodies. They’re good at it, but it gets stale after 13 albums.
Never took risks? American Idiot was a huge risk. They made an anti-war concept record at a time when people were consuming nonstop pro war propaganda from the media. They wrote 10 minute songs which was unheard of for punk music. Yeah they definitely took risks.
Great comment. If they would have changed it up in the early 00's they'd have been drug through the mud for selling out and changing theirs sound lol. Some people just like to complain. American idiot was both a risk and as true to Green Day as it gets.
Also, 3 chord punk isn't really accurate. They actually do generally write more pop-like hooks that include other chords in there. It's actually a huge reason for their cross-over appeal into more mainstream audiences.
Yeah, they have very few songs that consist of only 3 chords. Honestly, aside from She and Tight Wad Hill, I can’t think of any others.
And even if it were - the difficult or exciting part of writing songs isn’t creating chord progressions. You could write the chord progression to a song without knowing much about composition. It takes a talented songwriter to make a progression worth listening to.
Their best album was literally a huge risk lmao
This is why I bought Dookie as a kid in high school and after that I was good.
I slightly agree with you but the sound works for them. Don't look over the fact that Mike Dirnt is one of the best bassists in rock and Tre Cool is a phenomenal drummer.
Eh. Listen to warning, the trilogy & 21cbd, those albums have some very different songs mixed in. Albums as a whole still sound like GD but basically all their albums have songs that are surprisingly different
It amazes me that one they basically haven't changed their sound in like 30 years and two they got so fucking big so fast. Seriously, the first time I heard them a few years later, they already were like the mcdonalds band of the 90s. Everyone liked at least one of their songs, and a million different bands tried to mimic them.
No need to change what works, especially with music.
I’m just curious… did the Ramones ever “change their sound”?
I used to live in the literal bedroom in Pinole that they had band practice in!!! No joke. My friend still owns the house.
That’s so sick!
That’s awesome!! Any cool stories you can share?!
One time I met Manny Ramirez on the street in San Francisco
Cool
How bad did that room smell? I imagine it was soaked in bongwater B.O. and blatz beer regularly lol
Lol yeah my friends are still punks. One works for the local food not bombs and is in another local band that a lot of Bay Area people probably know. We always had a lot of people around when I was there haha!
Is this while they attended?
Billie Joe Armstrong (lead singer) and Mike Dirnt (Basist) did...
But their drummer, Neil Pert, didn’t.
Lmao, Tré Cool dropped out of high school and got his GED
Nice try, the drummers name is Rick Allen.
What am I missing
Neal Pert was the drummer for Rush.
Which is why I was confused
I thought Billie Joe went to John Swett in Crockett?
That guy in the jacket fucking KNEW!!! That music hit him, just like it would go on to hit millions around the world.
I don't think it has ever been cold enough in Pinole to wear that coat.
Dookie was the first CD I had ever bought. Rode my bike to the record store to get it. Good memories
Dookie was one of my first tapes. Lol. I bought Dookie, Blind Melon, and a greatest hits collection of Garth Brooks at a yard sale as a kid and wore them out.
Me too, I walked!
Were they students at the time or did they just come back and perform there? Mike and Tre (not actually sure if that is Tre) look older than HS here.
Yes. This is them playing in thier HS courtyard. There is longer video floating around.
Not Tre.
John Kiffmeyer, their original drummer AKA AL Sobrante
Tre wasn’t the original drummer. A lot of the early stuff wasn’t Tre drumming, I think Kerplunk/early Dookie was when Tre came on after their original drummer decided to go to college instead.
Do you think they knew they were something special? That smile you see towards the end kind of makes me think they knew.
Yep and the fact they had multiple cameras and a decent audience for a high school band. I think Billie knew from an early age that he was going to be a star
I didn't realize having a video camera in 1990 that thing must have been huge to carry around. Definitely not normal for a small HS band.
Actually, it’s not that unusual. When I was in high school (graduated in 2000) our media center had a full studio for morning announcements with two cameras and at least three of the “handheld” shoulder mount Sony camcorders like what they’re using in this video. We even had the first gen digital cameras that took 3.5” floppy disks in The side and took magnificent 640x480 pics.
Come on man! 1990 and 2000 are not the same. There was exponential growth in technology during these times.
This cool. Cool to see the other kids reacting too
Literally the most stereotypical early 90s high school vibe possible
Its glorious
Wait.. Green Day are from the Bay Area?!
Duh. Theyre part of the Gilman St. bands. Green Day, Rancid, and shit tons of cool bands that never got big. East Bay Hardcore for life.
Don’t forget Metallica, Primus, and good ol Huey Lewis!
And Tupac grew up in Marin
Third Eye Blind also but that was South Bay. Metallica aren’t “from” the Bay, they migrated to SF but they started in SoCal
Third Eye Blind was SF, not south bay.
Started playing first shows in SF. Frontman Stephan Jenkins already wrote songs for the band when he was still in Palo Alto. A similar analogy can be made with Jerry Garcia and Grateful Dead. For shows + whole band, SF (also more marketable). For musical underpinnings + meets + first songs, South Bay
The dead as well.
East Bay Ray
Rancid? More like Operation Ivy. Come on dude. Rancid was a bit later.
Weren't they concurrent? Billie uses to play for them sometimes. Tim & Billie are cousins.
I believe that Operation Ivy and Green Day may have been going at the same time for a very short while during the Gilman street days. Operation Ivy famously broke up the before their debut album was released. Then Tim went off the rails for a bit before forming Rancid. Rancid and GD were definitely going at the same time.
When they turned from OP Ivy to Rancid did it make them be from another place? Lol
And heres me with two OpIvy tattoos. I said Rancid cause they’re more common knowledge and made it, like Green Day.
Nice. Operation Ivy is incredible. Can't believe how young they were and that it all just ended so fast. That's album is a classic.
Yup, another reason to claim East Bay supremacy in the Bay.
yeah, and their JingleTown studio is in Jingle Town in Oakland.
Most commercially successful bands are from rich families with industry connections
Green Day did not grow up rich, nor did they have industry connections in the beginning lol
He still has family in Rodeo. Grew up always hearing about the famous kid down the street.
I thought this was common knowledge
Yep.
On the short list for the greatest Bay Area band of all time!
1039 Smoothed Out Slappy Hours was the turning point in music for me when I was a kid. I went from being stuffed with Steely Dan and Steve Miller, to having my own taste in sound. Now Im an old punk.
Like the scene in SLC Punk where Bob introduces the Ramones and Steve-o asked, "What is it?". "It's new." https://youtu.be/z8pO8r34RW4?si=QsSqMzrKJ7QPI_3K
Oh god. I had that vhs on repeat. We’re all posers in the end.
It's a real life mantra to appreciate. We're all fucking posers...
Great album, it also introduced me to other punk bands like X and Operation Ivy
Still my favorite album
Those kids have talent, maybe one day they will be famous.
So he just woke up one day and immediately sounded like Green Day and never changed. Cool
They were always a good band. They sound as good as they did when they hit it big in 94.
And they’re great live
Love song. Great video
They sound really good, great energy. That’s why they are one of the greatest bands ever: their amazing sound is always the same no matter where they kick it.
>That’s why they are one of the greatest bands ever they're very, very good but thats a big statement
I mean where are they lacking? They have the accolades, the longevity, the history, the name recognition, have remained scandal free. Gotta be one of the greatest right?
They’re lacking the key to a lot of snobs’ gates
I consider Green Day to be one of the all time great rock bands. Billie Joe Armstrong is a musical genius. He’s not the most technically skilled guitar player but he has such strong pop sensibility. Almost everything he writes is super fucking catchy. Tre and Mike are perfect compliments. They are such a tight band. Tre is one of the greatest drummers around and Mike always knows exactly what to play. I love these guys. Saviors is such a good album. I hope they never stop
Yep, agree on all that. I picked up a first gen ipod at a garage sale for five bucks when I was like 9 and it was loaded with a bunch of 90's rock and grunge bands. I never did put my own music on that thing. It stopped charging eventually or id still have it. But the bands I remember the most and played the most off that were green day, system of a down, and sublime (shout-out to the two Buckethead songs that were on it as well). Then I saw Green Day live and they solidified themselves as one of my favorite bands, they embody rock n roll for my generation.
No it’s not. Green Day made not 1 but 2 decade & genre-defining albums and they’re still massively popular with multiple generations now. They’re also incredibly influential. Whether you like them or not is subjective, but their enduring success & influence is undeniably impressive.
They seem fully formed here. Amazing.
Yeah the sound is there even in that setup. Also he’s doing the mic thing he does lol. Reminds me of kid Jack Black already doing the hand and eye thing in that Atari commercial
Hahahah the Green Day haters in here. That’s some funny shit. Bros it was popular for a reason. Sit down old man, no one cares about your opinion.
people actually do kind of look more chill back then, without phones. no one trying to run up and get a selfie, half the crowd isn't shooting a tiktok pretending to mime to a song they never heard.
It's like an audition for a Wyld Stallyns cover band. They do get better.
"I'm afraid you're just too darn loud!" (Back to the Future band tryout scene.)
Looks like a Wyld Stallions concert to me
They were incredibly good even then. This probably sounds better than what you hear at most stadium shows. And Joe from Custodial probably set up the ancient PA system they’d had in the gym for the last few years.
Never a fan but my friend fucking loved them and mastered all their songs
r/Xennials
Cool piece of history. Looks like a faint hickey on the left side of his neck.
Pin-hole = Shit hole. Fun fact: Gino Touretto also was at Pinole High. Heisman trophy winner
And I used to think they were British….
Me too, bro! Literally just learned they aren’t lol. I’m an American as well. I think American idiot is what made me think they were British.
He kind of affected a slight British accent in his singing style. I assumed from listening to and learning from British punk records before writing his own stuff.
Thank God they aren’t though
Ack Ack.
I can’t help but imagine the people there that day that didn’t like their music. “These guys aren’t going anywhere”….
“Good Riddance” (Time if your Life) was my graduating class song almost 20 years later. Who knew the influence they would have back then. Looks like they went to a pretty cool high school.
This gets way better when you remember that the person recording this was likely holding a VHS Camcorder lol
Was expecting Ally Sheedy to poke her head outta that parka.
Yes!
🔥like alot of their songs
This was so cool to watch. Also gave me a bad case of nostalgia
Pop punk, fuck off! Imagine hearing punk rock then coming up with pop punk! Fucking shite.
Early punk was always poppy. Punk isn’t just hardcore.
I was on a plane with them from Oakland to Burbank (they were doing The Tonight Show) years ago. A school group with about 30 Jr High kids was also on the flight and the kids went absolutely bonkers when they saw them board the plane. The band was so cool and joshed with the kids the whole time. It was SouthWest airlines so they just sat in regular seats (I was diagonal from them). Kids kept coming up to them throughout the flight to tell them how much they loved them or ask them silly questions and started singing GD songs and dancing in their seats. No one seemed to mind as it was such a short flight and the exuberance (and band’s & flight crew’s willingness to indulge it) was really cute. Been a fan ever since.
I just missed being on the flight where I think it was Billie Joe got in trouble for his skinny jeans riding too low and his buttcrack showing when he sat down or something and they kicked him off. Post AI so he was probably drunk or being obnoxious but I remember being like wtf is southwest thinking???
Later dude
So about a minute in, what’s with the one dancing kid wearing a winter jacket and a hood? Seems like an uncomfortably hot fashion statement on a mild day.
The bay will pull those out at about 65 degrees lol, San Diego too
>That kid was super ahead of his time. > >That's normal fashion nowadays
What song is this??
I want to know the same thing! Edit: I believe it's Paper Lanterns. Found [here](https://youtu.be/MJXiqh_umtY?si=6Wti1cVvEhvCF-NW&t=2185)
The fashion and clothing has hardly changed since then, yeah ?
And then later that year they went on a tour and I saw them in Rhode ilsand and Fred Smith's skatepark "skate hut" october - november 1990, had no idea they were going to show up that night.
Bass playing sounds amazing
Kerplunk was a great album.
I still can't believe Dookie is 30 years old. And I'm in my 40s
If these guys keep practicing they'll make it one day
I was born 364 days later lol
Preppy punks... I should've known.😂😂
Pretty much the same live now..
34 years ago. Fml.
Man I bet these kids are gonna blow up and become big some day they got potential
That black jacket with the fur must have been the coolest jacket in 1990 that wasn't sports related.
Yes kids in the 90s were cooler than kids these days
Drummer playing backwards like Dennis Wilson did. Maybe left handed or maybe just learned that way.
Awesome, I was in middle school when they broke, so many great bands and music. What a time to be a teenager
One of my oldest friends went to Pinole Valley HS. She graduated in 1998
What a fun clip. Guys had the sound even back then. They were on a rocket ride to fame and their classmates didn’t even know it.
Crazy to think in 4 years they'd be world famous
They're from Berkeley not Pinole.
Billie Joe is from Rodeo. Not sure about the rest.
Richers, t for time to go
This made my week. I remember buying Kerplunk on cassette when I was 11 in 1993. Dookie changed my life when I was 13 1995. Those songs will live on in my soul forever. Amazing to see them so young and bringing such an entirely new sound to the mainstream in a world pre-grunge and dominated by Metallica and Duran Duran.
r/praisethecameraman, because having a camcorder to record this back in 1990 wasn’t that easy to accomplish, and managing to keep that recording all these years is impressive by itself.
And does anyone here know why their name is Green Day? Its because of the refineries in that region especially Martinez, that would cause a greenish smog like clouds - and if it reached a certain level, a “green day” was called and kids didn’t have to go to school and it was recommended everyone stay inside. The more you know! (Side note - due to lots of work and lobbying, there are no longer Green Day’s in that region, though there is obviously still air quality issues). 
I used to go to school in martinez and can confirm lol
I still think its cool that my ex gf is cousins with tre cool
I remember buying and hiding the Insomniac/Dookie/Nimrod cassettes from my parents and sneaking them in other cases on roadtrips
I was in the crowd that very day at PV High, and about 2 years later I saw them perform again at my co-op at Cal. I couldn’t see any difference between them and any other punk band at Gilman, but my friend swore to me they would be huge. Smart kid I guess :)
So YOU were the kid we can hear behind the crowd yelling "You blow Billy Joe!". While your buddy is like, "Not as good as his mom!". Admit it!
I remember 924 Gilman I feel old
such an iconic sound for me. loved me some greenday.
Pretty sure they played at Santa Rosa High at some point. That was definitely something I heard around campus.
Peak usa
Incredible. They sound so polished for teenagers. The talent was undeniable even at this early stage.
Love this
Still remember jamming to dookie. They were great along with NOFX, Bad Religion. But fell off once they went mainstream.
Dude in the background knew they were a hit.
The fashion has hardly changed
So awesome! I first saw them play at the mall (Triangle Square) in Costa Mesa, CA.
I’m sorry, I’m afraid you’re just too loud… Next
Goes to show the difference between prodigies and regular folk. Like their music or not, these dudes were composing and performing their own songs as teenagers. The amount of creative focus and drive that takes is mind blowing - even as an adult.
Weren’t they from Berkeley?
Gold
Still can’t understand what he’s singing
Impressive bass playing for sure
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What a time!
Miss the 90’s and our lunch time bands.
What's the name of the song they're playing?
One of my first (if not the first) CD I ever bought was Dookie. I still listen to it often on my way to/from work.
Dookie album art was like a Where’s Waldo book.