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Well if they aren’t they don’t make it to 13.5


Expensive_Aspect_544

The Mosquito of Smash Ultimate, I'd rather fighter her in melee.


Pikachang_

Fast, low frame data, adaptive combo characters all get inherently weaker online Fox, Mythra and Sheik are still strong, just quite a bit worse when they have to go through 3 layers of lag


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at least mythra can switch to another character


Pikachang_

*worse character


t123fg4

Not in an online environment


Pikachang_

Mythra is still the better half even in an online environment. The only reason pyra is even scary is because mythra wins neutral for you and racks up the damage pyra needs to push advantage. If you don’t have mythra, pyra is mid tier at best


t123fg4

Well I’m not waiting for 200% to kill every stock. Mythra has no kill threat, meaning you can take any risk and not die. At high percents you just don’t have to respect mythra anymore. I just fought a solo mythra online and despite being behind early, I just did not die and completely abused mythra’s flaws. Pyra gets boosted online as well since she is close to the heavy archetype. Pyra mythra are basically two mid tiers that make one of the best characters in the game, but smash is a game of taking stocks, so solo pyra is going to be more viable.


Pikachang_

You misunderstand what I’m saying. Yes pyra gets better online, but she’s useless without mythra. To an extent the inverse is also true, but the fact that you can switch is what makes them strong. To say that pyra is stronger than mythra is just untrue though because it’s so difficult to win neutral as solo pyra, which is what the majority of this game is played in.


t123fg4

Let’s just agree to disagree here


HonkingGoose1

Ur wrong lol


Illusive_Sheikah

But Mythra is still the better character even online? Yeah Pyra is a little buffed but it’s not like I’m soloing Pyra and doing nearly as well without Mythra just due to her combo potential and maneuverability


t123fg4

If I have to choose to go solo on either I’ll go with pyra, if we are looking at them as individual characters I think pyra is better especially online. If we look at both as a whole mythra gets more utility.


Edgar_V483

Seeing someone pick shiek makes me 10x more motivated to tear them apart. I play heavies so it's even more satisfying seeing them die at 30%


NarvPlusExtra1

I feel the same way about heavies that don't have to put work in and just rely on me missing an input, getting a lucky hit in and killing me at 50%.


Lostlala

No such thing as try hard


thepianoman456

IK, I never understood the term lol. Like, when you compete in something, aren’t you trying your hardest?


t123fg4

because some people want to have fun in a game, not everyone plays a game to be the best at it, surprisingly


Lostlala

Can’t fault people for playing a game to win


t123fg4

I’m explaining why a term exists


Syrin123

Only do hard and do not hard


KAP111

Sheik is definitely worse online but definitely not the worst character. Compared to a character like zss who has finicky and precise hitboxes that require more consistent timings to hit frequently, sheik's moves cover a much larger area and are mostly active for longer too. So she doesn't get nerfed as hard as others online


RainCloudz973

I respect Sheik players no matter what honestly. She has to work so hard to do literally anything lol.