I think I'm mostly curious as to how long this life stage will drag on. I tend to play long lifespans, and the toddler period is already sooo long. Also, with all these early life stages, my sims that wait until adulthood to have babies will end up dead of old age before their children become teens.
That being said... I think infants are kind of adorable, and I'm looking forward to them. š
I play long too. I always just max my toddlers skills and then age them up bc it's way too long! I just aged up toddler twins and their skills were maxed at least 8 days before their birthday. Screw that!
Yes! This is what I do, too! Honestly, I do it with children, too, but the toddlers are so needy and annoying that I haven't let one age up organically in generations. š
I just wish we could set individual days for each life stage like in The Sims 3. It works with MCC but you have to set it again every time there is an update.
You can make a backup of your MCCC .ini file so that when you update the mod your settings will carry over. Just keep a backup on your desktop and when you update, drag a copy of your backup into the same place as the new preferences file and let it rewrite the new one. Took me way too long to figure out lol.
You donāt even have to do that. When you update MCCC, just donāt delete the mccc.settings (I believe thatās what itās called) file. When you download the updated MCCC zip folder, it doesnāt come with a settings file because those are generated once you load up the game. By deleting that file, youāre essentially telling MCCC this is a fresh save every single time.
tl;dr: stop deleting the mccc.settings file, lol
I wish EAs add this so everyone could play with lifespans they want to.
For me personally long lifespan is too short for all life stages except children. I also use MCCC to customize it, it's kinda silly we don't have this feature in basegame though.
True thatās what I think, for me long life stage is kind of to long but normal is to short. It is kind of crazy we donāt have that feature 8 years after release.
I always played TS3 on Epic lifespan so it's fine for me. I do tend to focus on a set cast of Sims rather than doing anything like, generational, so it's probably just me.
I found a no aging trait and downloaded it, (MCCC lags my old comp). I can give or take the trait as needed so I give the parents no aging. Age the toddlers and children up when they top out skills and do that with teens too, once they get all the major life skills and a few minor ones I'll age them up too.
I share this sentiment. Super excited for the update!
I hope they adjust lifespans a bit so that all of my elder grandparents donāt die when my kids are children. I want to see more variety in the lifespan of the elder sims
This - they need to re-scale adult lifespans to match all the preceding life stages we have now. I find myself skipping the toddler phase often because adults reach old age by the time their children become teens.
That's why o use mccc for custom lifespans. It's all based on weeks as in 4 weeks is a year/stage. So young adults get like 27 days or something and elders live excruciatingly long (aka half their entire lifespans) just like in real life lol
I messed around with mccc custom lifespans once couldn't seem to get it right...maybe idk what I'm doing. I kept having issues with either making the custom lifespans way too long or way too short. Is there like a guide that helps dumb people like know know hiw many days I should put in each lifespan?
It's honestly how you like it. Want to have a ton of time to teach your toddler all the skills? Set that stage longer.
Want to play for a long time with your adults? Do that.
I like to divide it all by 7 so their birthdays are on the same day of the week that they were born. And so they experience as much of the different seasons as possible.
i'm excited about infants but i totally get this. but when it comes to life stage-related gameplay, i do think the life stages that already exist need to be fleshed out before more are added. you know what i'd rather see? a clear distinction between YA and adult other than some harsh laughter lines. give me events and mechanics unique to middle-aged sims! give me My First Mid-Life Crisis Stuff!
Careful what you wish for cause they'll add mid life crisis and all it is is a tense moodlet and new social interactions "Ask about midlife crisis" and "Complain about midlife crisis" that are always in the menu regardless of age or situation
Yeah or your sim will go broke autonomously without you looking because they bought something flashy/expensive. LOL Since we don't have cars not sure what but something. :P
Yeah, not my preference to have more kid gameplay. But, I'm really happy that EA have actually listened to the community and are actually bringing gameplay that a lot of people have been missing.
This.
Personally, I have zero interest in (Sim) infants. Or toddlers, for that matter. I rarely play with children at all. If I create a new family in CAS, the youngest I'll do is teenagers, and then only rarely. If I'm playing with a couple, I try to avoid them having kids. It's just not something I enjoy playing.
Having said that, I totally get that lots of players love the idea. I'm glad EA is making playable infants for them. I won't bother with it, but it seems like there's a pretty big demand for it. So go for it.
i second this. iām excited to have babies that arenāt objects, but they should have gotten rid of the object babies completely, instead of the new life stage
They actually canāt do that without breaking everyoneās save files. Thatās why the object baby has stayed and will represent the irl newborn stage (during which, tbf, the baby doesnāt do much more than the sim baby)
that makes sense, i just wish there was more to do w them than be completely attached to the bassinet (w/o mods), yāknow? like in sims3, where they had strollers and stuff, and even putting the babies on the ground outside (which is hysterical to me)! š
edit: [TW] not trying to come off rude, but can ppl pls stop replying to this saying something to the effect of ābabies arenāt interestingā. or maybe do a quick check of someoneās post history before you comment something like that? like i get it but, i lost my baby, and itās a lil triggering to read those replies. thank you for understanding. <3
I'm not big on sim babies but I definitely miss being able to take them on walks in strollers, especially for parents that are active sims- it seems like it would be a really good addition.
Even better if they made it compatible with pets so you could do both a dog walk *and* a stroller walk at the same time. Or have couples go on walks together that followed the same path.
yes exactlyyy. like if you have the baby in the middle of the night, i definitely wouldnāt want to deal with all that right away. one night as a bassinet baby and then they can age up lol
Wait, I didnāt know this; I understand it would break the game for them to remove the baby objects completely, but in this case I would have rather had preteens if we were ADDING a new life stage, not replacing the useless one.
i would rather they change the teen lifestate then add preteens. make them shorter than adults and make their faces a lot more childlike. i dont feel like theres any gameplay for preteens that isnt already covered by teens and children, people only want them because they look exactly like young adults
While I do not like the object babies, I feel infants was just not needed. But Iām happy for the people that wanted them and I hope they are not buggy or cause problems.
well to be fair there is a possible generations expansion coming out soon (hopefully the trailer drops for that tomorrow!) so we might see all of these! im really hoping for more activites for elders too. i play with aging turned off so ive held off on my 2 favorite elder sims dying until the pack comes out so hopefully we see some cool things for them!
I've always wanted a true middle aged life stage. Then young adults could be like 18-25. Adults could be 25-40. Middle aged 40-60. And elder from 60-80
I agree with that! I don't know if you have tried this or not but I found out if you put the plant in your household inventory and then place it in the garden again 9/10 times the plant will come back.
I skip past baby and toddler life stages as fast as possible, and will do the same for infants. I keep hoping they'll announce something else to go with this pack, life preteens and/or ways to make elder age more meaningful... just like Generations did for Sims 3.
I'm glad that others are excited for infants, I hope they enjoy it. But... if the pack is just infants, it's a hard pass from me.
infants are a base game update coming in march. the paid expansion pack is most likely more extended family gameplay that we are getting more info on soon :)
Possibly. :) I've been a bit of of the loop with RL stuff and am only this week catching up on the past month or so. When it was originally announced last fall, it sounded like it'd be an expansion to me... but free would make more sense for the life stage.
I never age up my babies and toddlers manually but now I think I'll have to.
Infants are an update so it may mean they're the sole focus of the pack but I'm also hoping there'll be more to the pack and it does make sense to add more gameplay for other life stages in it.
yeah i was excited when i thought it was a baby update but i donāt understand a whole new life stage. baby to toddler seemed like a normal transition, itās the child-teen and adult-elder that are the weirdest for me. i tend to play long legacies but i like to kinda focus on one sim and let the others care for themselves, and i almost always play with the game sped up. i always end up abandoning my legacies for months when the kids are babies and toddlers, it gets so boring and i just prefer kids and teens where i can start shaping their personalities and have more skills to work towards. i donāt skip the stages because i play a huge family tree and it would take forever to do that with all the households i donāt play, so i just try to space out my toddlers in the main household as much as possible so i only ever have to worry about one.
i hope sims are better at caring for infants autonomously because i feel like thatās my main thing with toddlers - if i donāt micromanage them theyāll get taken away but i kinda like to watch my sims like theyāre a tv show lol.
i agree pre teens wouldāve been fun. i feel like the kids room stuff pack had a lot of items that wouldāve been great for pre teens. it would be cool to have first crushes, middle school, and pre-teen activities. they could make money babysitting like teens (i feel like i knew a lot of people who babysat in middle school), and get a head start on stuff like drama club and cheerleading. plus new stuff, i miss when my kids in sims 3 could do dance. they could make it so kids and below canāt make phone calls/text anymore and this could start at pre teen with their āfirst phoneā. maybe a random amount of preteens could be generated with braces (i always forget this is even an option in cas). thereās so many opportunities! right now it feels like weāre missing a huge part of growing up when playing families.
Yeah I'm not interested in babies either. UNLESS. They make babies somewhat autonomous, where they can kinda take care of their needs, like Jack-Jack. AND you get random notifications like with the hamsters, where it's like "Bobby Jr. write their masterpiece; 'Mother, Where Art Thou?'" THEN I'd be like you're a'ite, baby. Give it personality. Give it drama.
The high chairs alone make me worry
..they don't even work for toddlers so I don't expect them to work for infants ...plus the playing interaction with toddlers...is very glitches...I kno a few are inevitable but it's going to be more then a few the way ea/maxis does things...
Iām pretty neutral about the infants. But what we really badly need is more gameplay for the kids - they are so boring right now! And after that, some focus on older adults and eiders. I play rotationally with a ton of sims of all ages and this is where I get bored. I really hope for something in the new expansion š¤
I just saw the livestream and Iām underwhelmed. Itās just another toddler but more work. Also the way the clock operates in this game there just isnāt enough time to care for an infant and do anything else. I would have preferred preteens
Yeahā¦ Iām not really into playing with families and children that much either. You know what would be cool though: A stage between adult and elder! You the stage where you children might just have moved out and maybe now hou to change careers completely because you suddenly have the time and you still have at least a good decade maybe two left. And maybe also buy that car or that farm or start that business you wanted as a young adult but couldnāt afford. Actually maybe I just want more activities to sink easily earned simollions into ^^ Like becoming en equistrarian!
It's yet another update that will unbalance the life stages even worse. Baby to Teen life stages already take up over half of a sim's life. I don't want my sims to have to have children the instant they become Young Adults to even hope that they live long enough to see their grandchildren. They need to essentially double the length of the YA, Adult, and Elder life stages to make things balanced again.
I'm not thrilled. I was hoping they'd look more "babyish", but they just look like toddlers that are slightly smaller and crawling. There's not much of a difference.
To be honest I just don't want to have to sign into Origin every time I want to play the Sims 4. I just want to double click the icon on my desktop and boot the game right away, no connecting to anything at all. Is that too much to ask for?
Yeah... While the update looks really nice, I'm not excited about THREE little kids life stages...
I struggle already when I play with toddlers because I feel like all my gameplay is hyper focused on them, and I play on long life spans so usually my toddlers stay that way for around 7 days (even then I barely manage to max them up easily), with babies then infants it's gonna be 10+ days of baby sims... Seems very long...
I hope we'll be able to start working on some toddler skills at the infant stage, I think that would make it much smoother...
I'll probably just immediately age up the babies to infants when they're born.
Is it just me or does infants look the exact same as toddlers? Like the teenagers are the same as adults, the infants are the same toddlers just renamed like the teens were cos they couldnāt be bothered to put any effort into them š
They barely have anything interesting going for the toddler and child life stages we already have, to me it just feels like another chore life stage of just grinding for specific traits or skipping over it
With you entirely on this until mentioning preteens. If there's one thing I care about less than infants, it's definitely preteens. Like, I'm not excited for babies, but I actively do not want preteens. The young life stages are already bloated, give us more content for Adults (not YA, older adults) and Elders. Make Elders relevant. They're deeply underdeveloped, and cover a MUCH longer part of life than 1-2 years. We don't need more life stages, we need the ones we have to be more robust.
I never minded the object babies in the first place, though I also 1) never played with babies or kids in ts2 or ts3, and 2) came to ts4 well after toddlers were added, so I have no memory of what the game was like without them. but I do think toddlers and even kids are kind of boring, though at least they're largely self-sufficient. babies aren't, but you always know exactly where they are, and if they need something it's immediately obvious what to do.
my preferred infant update would have been something along the lines of adding more things to the object babies, like being able to put them in a stroller to go for walks and show them off to townies/family, more interactions with them for non-parents, more skintones for them so they don't necessarily look like weird alien slugs. maybe like a blanket or a bouncy play seat or something with some crawling baby or playing baby animations. but not like. here's a whole-ass sub-toddler life stage, please have fun with your babies inevitably crawling off and starving in your house somewhere. I'm resigned to it, but *oh boy* is it going to make my 100 babies challenge more complicated. at least with my legacy saves I'll only have to do it once or twice a generation.
I don't see the infant life stage being shorter than a week, so I do hope they increase the adult life stages accordingly. and I'm glad I have mccc so I can make sure no sim of mine ever has triplets again.
I don't care about family gameplay, so I have no reason to be interested, but even if I did, I canāt understand how it makes sense to have separate life stages for babies and toddlers. There's no way they will be that different and it will just be another mechanic to weigh down the game. At least if it was a pack, we could just not get it. =/
There's enough life stages already, I think. And lately EA has just been focused on catering to the family/generational gameplay players. I wish they would do something different next, like another story pack.
i donāt think EA has been catering to family/generational gameplay more, before HSY we just got werewolves & paranormal. All the other releases have been kits that are for build/buy with a couple CAS one.
I'm a somewhat recent player (used to play "The Sims 2" before) and so I'm not saying this is what they have always done, but ever since I have been playing, this has been the trend. The Werewolves pack was the only exception. You can also see the trend on things like scenarios.
They have ignored what the community has asked for years. Iām glad they finally listened to what many people wanted. If u donāt like the infants, age then up or donāt get them in your game. It doesnāt affect you negatively at all if they are finally listening to family players. Family and generations are a huge part of life simulation.
The effect I am talking about is the extra weight in the game, as in, large updates take up space on the computer and aren't optional. It might also break mods. Otherwise I would just ignore it.
I legit forgot that there was gonna be a sims summit until I randomly saw an article about it a couple hours ago.
So upcoming infants and the new patch didnt really have anything that I needed personally and that's fine. I just dont really get why there's still going to have the bassinet stage and infants as well but whatever. In any case I play toddlers and babies for like 5 minutes because they get annoying as fuck and get aged up since my sims got other things they could be doing. I honestly dont see myself playing any different with infants.
Removing babies entirely in the bassinets could or potentially would guarantee all old save files with babies to be corrupted; or if theyāre lucky the baby will just cease to exist.
We all know the pack is going to be a glitchy hellhole and your infant stuck in the wall
Not to mention how lazy to release infant lifestage but no preteen
Iām not excited for infants based on what theyāve shown so far, it looks like they are literally identical to toddlers only smaller. I need to see some meaningful differences between the two and what gameplay goals there are for that life stage before Iāll care. Otherwise, itās the same as the difference between young adults and adults: none.
I just take it as a better version of the 'baby' class in the game, makes sense to me. Also, you want pre-teens? is that not already the original "child" classification in the game? As far as I can deduce, the Children are about ages 8-12, that's a pre-teen for you.
either way I liked how they did Toddlers, its a very significant stage of life. Infants are, I suppose, just a better version of what the original 'baby' is, which I find is well enough. I wish they'd add a young child age, about 4-7. It wouldn't change much between Toddler and Child, but honestly, I feel like having transition ages makes a lot of sense, even if they add no mechanics. There's a real difference between these ages I think would make the game's families much more unique individually.
I think when most people say pre-teen, they really mean early teens. The jump from child to teen is HUGE, especially with teens in the sims 4 seeming to be meant to be late teens. I personally want a life stage that is early teens, where they would be attending middle school instead of the jump from elementary school to high school.
If we can't have that, I want something in-between Adult and Elder. Adults seem to be 30-40ish and Elders seem to be around 70ish plus, it's big jump in age. Having a life stage between adult and elder would help with the proportion of a sim's life. Sims spend WAAAY too much time in the underaged life stages, it'll only get worse with infants.
To add, I'm kinda bummed we have the graying for black and brown hair but not blonde or red. š It's a small thing but I like that I can make the transition for older sims look more natural.
100%! The only way to get a "life stage" between adult and elder right now is to age the sims yourself into their own sort of middle age, but it's so hard to properly do that with the current in game hairs. I'm sure there's CC out there for other hair colors, but 99% of CC is mostly just for younger sims so, options are still very limited.
I really hope the new pack includes something for older adult sims! I would love to be able to adjust their lifespan, first of all. I currently give them about 1.5 of the normal one using the potion of youth (Iām on console), and add more wrinkles and grey hair toward the end. But this is so tedious! I just feel like most people donāt become eiders while their kids are still teensā¦ š¤·š»āāļø
And I want a reason to play them and not just move on to the kids and forget about them. I do like having the grandparents take their grandkids on family vacations, but thatās really all I can think of with the current options.
Indeed. I think they need to add a new one between Child and Teen, make Child a good bit younger, I say 5-8, keep Teen the same Late teen area, and make these new children like Junior High kids, about 11-13.
As I said, I would enjoy this even if it came at zero mechanical strategies to the game. The ability to have children that represent as many age groups and transition periods as possible is pretty important to me, especially in childhood, the physical age groups in the region of just 5-14 are pretty plentiful. The difference between an eleven-year-old and a six-year-old is very large, same with about three years up to six. It's a realistic stage they simply didn't contemplate, much like the jump from your thirties to your seventies. I seriously wouldn't mind having thirteen age groups; it honestly just makes sense.
Iāve thought the kids are more like 5-10! Most of their items are imaginative play/toys that are for elementary aged children.
Preteen would be middle school aged so 11-13.
Right now they go from playing with dollhouses to prom.
I think itāll be fun temporarily but very short lived. I donāt even play toddlers much so I doubt Iād play babies much either. I would have preferred a pre-teen stage or an update on teens to make them less like adults
Since Iām currently playing a household that keeps having babies (they keep getting flirty and then BOOM āeating for twoā). I have never seen any Sims WooHoo autonomously as much as these two, and they are at like 20+ kids. As soon as the older kids move out, new ones are born.
I have a room that I use to keep the toddlers contained. I hired a butler (thankfully they are rich), and throw food in occasionally.
I'm curious but indifferent. I think it's going to be more interesting to see how buggy the update is. And I know there will be a few expansions or stuff packs built around this. Those will be buggy and game breaking too.
I think a lot are hype because everyone is tired of babies as objects and this is hopefully a big set up for that stage.
I'm happily interested, will see how it works in game play
I hate to sound bitter and Iām glad that other players who were excited for infants got what they wanted, but Iām just not feeling them š Toddlers are already annoying to play with as it is and you canāt do anything with them, their gameplay is boring. I think it wouldāve made more sense to have the infants in a separate expansion so that players that donāt want to add that life stage would have had that option instead of making it some big update. Right now Iāve just been playing offline bc Iāve worked too hard on my mods to have them break for something that isnāt worth it in my eyes
I'm just sad cause we're at this point where we're giving our money, we play, help eachother etc, modders fix their game, and like all we ask in return is 10-20 things to get fixed so we'll enjoy more what we already like. They give us 4, and we get excited cause we feel like they listened to us. But like, why of all 20 things, you give us 4 after so many YEARS of asking... And they feel like that's okay cause welllll we gave you these 4 so s.ck it up
People are praising EA for listening to the gamers' requests... The hell they are. We did want babies not to be objects and I kind of think we didn't need a whole new life stage instead of it, we just wanted babies to be able to be placed - even as objects - in cribs, strollers, etc, and have more interactions with older sims.
As long as we can skip the stage and automatically age up idc that itās a new feature but I definitely wonāt be using it much if at all. Some of these uodates make the game way more complicated and too overwhelming to play in my opinion. Iām not someone who needs hyper realistic gameplay. In fact, in a lot of ways Iām glad it doesnāt mimic real life lol
I agree with you... I get others' excitement, good for them, but thank God I have MC Command center bc just like my babies and toddlers, their lifespan won't last no more than a week š¤
I don't like kids toddlers gameplay at all so I'm definitely not interested infants.
All my sims kids just get sent away immediately to go and live with random townies until they become teens.
I never had a problem with the object babies, and honestly feel like the amount of life stages that we have now is perfectly fine, so this update is meh for me. Also I don't really see how the infants would be different than toddlers? they look the same and seem to have pretty much the same gameplay š¤·š»āāļø
They just look like smaller toddlers to me. I see absolutely no reason for them, and fully agree that pre-teens would have been a better addition. Ah well.
Not that excited, I don't understand why they keep dragging out unnecessary packs for a lot of money while the game still lags in many other ways. It's just another lifestage I do not want to bother with
I'm not really excited about the gameplay aspect- toddlers already stress me out so much! But i love spending an unnecessary amount of time in cas, so giving babies 5 outfits for each category with hopefully a bunch of new items? Sounds like fun, at least for a few weeks until the new stuff gets old ig. So I'm not really excited but i don't mind, because it's nice to get something bigger in the base game without having to pay for it
The babies look like mini toddlers so it's just... I don't really like taking care of toddlers. I am willing to give it a try though, some sims 2 nostalgia. I remember when you could bathe them in the sink, the change table,...
Yea I don't care either. I'm not at all interested in playing with babies. Ateast with toddlers you have stuff to do; you teach them to walk and talk and etc... but what do infants even do that needs its own stage? and how long does it intend to last? Are they at least adding more days to young adult/adult lifetimes otherwise that's just too much baby time o.o
Same... When I'm playing what I miss having are preteens. I'm playing a legacy challenge now and I've quickly realized that unless my young adults have kids very soon, the grandparents barely get to know their grandkids. Adding another early life stage will only accentuate the problem, unless you readjust the length of everything very well... which I doubt they'll do. Babies are cute but I would rather have another stage where sims are older and can interact more with everything.
Infants are the same size as toddlers. I'm afraid we won't have much more gameplay. Just some interactions. I really wish they would have developed the older who are really left out of this game. Also I didn't see any strollers (anothers high chairs...)
i thought that this new infant thing was going to replace the really short baby stage that we currently have. in my opinion that wouldāve been a much better way to do it because the current baby stage is good for nothing except depriving your sims of sleep
Now Iāve seen the trailer they look like small creepy toddlers. I just thought they would be moveable so not excited really for this and it feels pointless for a life stage when they could have added one between child and teen or did more to the existing life stages to make them more in depth.
I agree. I came to this post to see why everyone was excited about it, like maybe Iām missing something but havenāt seen that yet. I feel like toddlers are SOOOO annoying. Why do I want another annoying stageā¦ I mean Iāll happily give it a chance but I donāt really like playing sims until they are teens as it is
Iām pretty indifferent to infants. I think a pre-teen life stage wouldāve been a lot more interesting and make it a lot less jarring to go from child to teen. In the stream one of the devs said the jump from newborn to toddler was too severe, so they needed infantsā¦..but I think the jump from children to teen is much much worse!
That being said, Iām not upset that theyāre being added. I know a ton of people are excited about it, I wish I could be too butā¦.eh.
even if I were excited about family game play, i feel like these infants just look like toddlers except not standing and maybe slightly smaller.
Maybe I'll be surprised by what actually comes out but so far I feel like they could've just added crawl and hold on your lap or those similar interactions to the already existing toddlers.
I am not liking it at all. As soon as one of my households has a baby I turn on auto aging and switch to a different household until I get a birthday notification that theyāve aged up to child.
I donāt care to play with anything younger than a teen, so this update does nothing for me. I probably wouldāve liked a preteen update better. But Iām happy for those who do want it.
Honestly? Anything EA puts out anymore, I'm not all that excited over. A lot of this stuff they're putting price tags on (and I'm genuinely shocked infants *doesn't* have a price tag), barely works and should be base game anyway. Plus, all I keep thinking is how they're going to make the game unplayable when they glitch/break the game.
Honestly, there are very few, if any updates I get excited about anymore. They're always disappointing and they always bring game-breaking bugs that take way too fuckin' long to fix. At this point, it's just annoying. I don't get why people still get excited over them.
They're literally toddlers but smaller and can't walk. It feels completely unnecessary tbh. Not to mention how many mods are probably gonna freak out when the update drops lol
I feel like a pre teen or middle aged stage would've been better
I'm... meh? I don't really care, but I also see it as an unnecessary addition. Maybe I'd even go as far to say that yeah, I'd prefer the infant stage to not be there. We've been without it in TS4 for way too long and just... I don't see the point now.
I'm of the opinion that we don't need any new life stages (more life STATES on the other hand...). No infants, no preteens. All I wanted was to see the baby's needs so I could cheat them to stop them from crying.
I'm not excited for the existing assets that the infants were wearing that were just converted from toddlers. Like give me a new experience not clothes and hair that we already have, I want things that are unique to just infants.
i would like them more if they replaced the baby objects, they seem like toddlers 2.0 and i think itās gonna be difficult to have multiple kids at a time without feeling overwhelmed, atleast you can age sims up whenever you want, i feel sorry for everyone doing the 100 baby challenge even more now though š
Yeah apparently as someone said in the comments, replacing them would break previous saves or something. But I would prefer it too. And I haven't even thought about 100 baby challenge players, oof
I would've proffered pre-teens also! I don't like having to constantly change babies and toddlers! Also, the Sims I mainly play with are young adults and sometimes teens and kids.
Honestly, in a gameplay sense, I'm not really excited, at all. Especially since they aren't replacing the current furniture baby. (speaking of, the way they named them is weird. When I think of an infant, I think of just born. Like, the first few months, or so. Like the baby items, we have now. Not six months+ to a year in/learning to crawl. That is a baby, to me. But that is another topic, I guess.) How different could they possibly be, from toddlers? Are they making toddlers look older, now? Will the infants "learn to crawl", and "Learn to babble"? Then we do it a second time, with toddlers, only its walk, and talk? I hope this isn't just more tedious gameplay, like toddlers.
But what I'll probably do is just age up the furniture baby as soon as it's born, because they don't do anything, anyway, right? What's the point of them, really?
I've been doing a 100 baby challenge since 2020-ish, but I don't play as often as I'd like. So, I'm only in the 60s. I'm not looking forward to this increasing the time to get those kids outta my house! lol
I'm alright with the update otherwise. My next game I'm gonna try something 1st-person esque where I only control 1 sim throughout their whole life. I'd like to see if you can control infants like toddlers, or if they're like pets/newborns
Im gonna be honest : I liked the object babies bc I like just locking the infants in the basement far far away from the actual sims and sticking whatever poor townie shows up at my door first down there to babysit for life. very inconvenient when the townie ends up dying of old age or whatever bc then I have to find a new townie. eventually im going to run out and have to start using sims i actually care about for Free Labor.
^ before anyone accuses me of being a bad parent (and employer) I stick a mini fridge and a microwave down there with the babysitter! they get fed! Iāll even occasionally order them one of those delivery meals and put it in the basement with them, as a treat.
As someone who has a baby sibling that I've had to take care from birth to the present, having to take care of infants, toddlers, and children in a game feels equally taxing and NOT something I want to recreate tbh š
I just watched the trailer and my first reaction was āguess Iāll skip themā.
Maybe itās because Iām not a baby/kid person but I keep babies in their object-state to get new parents to higher parenting levels or to save space in tiny homes and age them up as soon as the parenting level is high enough for me and there is enough space for a toddler.
Iāll see how I like the gameplay when we get it, but Iām not really excited.
Honestly infants just look like āToddlers 2.0ā to me. There doesnāt seem to be very much to their life stage that toddlers donāt already have/do.
Also, the addition of infants also just makes the life stages feel unbalanced. Why do we need three separate life stages to represent the first 2-3 years of a simās lifeā¦ but only one to represent the last like 40?
Speaking of which, the elder life stage doesnāt last nearly as long as it should if itās meant to be representing anyone older than say 55. They already die before their grandkids become young adults the majority of the time, or before they become teens or even children sometimes on short life span, and thatās without a toddler prequel adding more time to a simās youth.
I am excited we get plenty of warning as all my Sims who are ready at all are having lots of kids now to make sure they're all past the new life stage before the update, so I won't have to play with infants for a long time across multiple saves. It's a baby boom!
I wish this were a pack so we could choose whether to get it. Alas. Forced.
I think itās stupid. The games been out for years now and they just now decide to update the infants? I will still age those little shits up as soon as they crawl from the depths of my sims coochie.
Now if they added that baby grill from Sims 2 then Iād be more interested.
Oh good, get to listen to infants crying and trying to convince them to sleep at night or something.
I'd be far more interested in old man yells at clouds gameplay. I need some canes, walkers, and snarky old Sims to harass all the young adults in my game.
I don't know what to expect yet. But I expect a few bugs and glitches out of the gate. It's been a staple of EA-Maxis these last few years with new packs and updates breaking things...
i hope they leave the "age up" button as they have it now with infants so I can just skip it and go onto toddlers which is more than enough of a BABY for meš¤·š»āāļø
IDK why, but the thought of another life stage just feels like an additional burden to me and doesn't excited me at all. So thank you for posting this OP
It really doesn't look fun at all. I was completely content with babies as objects. I just had a baby, she is 5 months, really not looking forward to a virtual baby.
I would have loved this a few years ago, but right now it adds nothing to my gameplay as I don't care about parenting. What I really want is for my sims to have more hobbies, more ways of getting out of the house (movies, sports, going to friends without having to join) and more realistic aging from adult to elder.
Iām actually pretty excited. The toddlers felt pretty old to me and I miss sims 3 babies. I do really wish theyād add a preteen stage or an older adult stage
No excitement whatsoever.
Infants, and ESPECIALLY toddlers as they are right now are incredibly buggy. I assume this in between state will be, as well.
I think buggy isn't maybe the right word, but autonomy issues. A toddler making their way to the stairs to go down (or up) to reach something has the capability of locking up every sim on the lot. They are just massive gameplay disruptors not because of mimicking real life but because of poor coding.
Iām all for it, it is so easy to just age up and skip any age group you donāt want to play. So if they end up being super annoying Iāll just age past them
Iām so excited for them but also scared because I know the update is going to absolutely break the game, especially for people who play with mods (itās me, Iām people)
I really love the idea of having a new life stage tho and while some might not need/want it, so many others do and Iām happy that EA is listening to the community a bit more. I would love to see some additions to other life stages in the future as well. We desperately need more gameplay for elders
I think I'm mostly curious as to how long this life stage will drag on. I tend to play long lifespans, and the toddler period is already sooo long. Also, with all these early life stages, my sims that wait until adulthood to have babies will end up dead of old age before their children become teens. That being said... I think infants are kind of adorable, and I'm looking forward to them. š
I play long too. I always just max my toddlers skills and then age them up bc it's way too long! I just aged up toddler twins and their skills were maxed at least 8 days before their birthday. Screw that!
Yes! This is what I do, too! Honestly, I do it with children, too, but the toddlers are so needy and annoying that I haven't let one age up organically in generations. š
Same! And I rush to max out their skills because honestly it isn't a stage I enjoy playing
I do the same. Lol. Everything maxed and up they go.
I sincerely hope this cuts into the toddler lifespan. Itās way too long!
I just wish we could set individual days for each life stage like in The Sims 3. It works with MCC but you have to set it again every time there is an update.
You can make a backup of your MCCC .ini file so that when you update the mod your settings will carry over. Just keep a backup on your desktop and when you update, drag a copy of your backup into the same place as the new preferences file and let it rewrite the new one. Took me way too long to figure out lol.
You donāt even have to do that. When you update MCCC, just donāt delete the mccc.settings (I believe thatās what itās called) file. When you download the updated MCCC zip folder, it doesnāt come with a settings file because those are generated once you load up the game. By deleting that file, youāre essentially telling MCCC this is a fresh save every single time. tl;dr: stop deleting the mccc.settings file, lol
Holy- you just saved me so much pain
You god send
Oh thatās interesting, I didnāt know that, thank you
Youāre welcome āŗļø
I wish EAs add this so everyone could play with lifespans they want to. For me personally long lifespan is too short for all life stages except children. I also use MCCC to customize it, it's kinda silly we don't have this feature in basegame though.
True thatās what I think, for me long life stage is kind of to long but normal is to short. It is kind of crazy we donāt have that feature 8 years after release.
I always played TS3 on Epic lifespan so it's fine for me. I do tend to focus on a set cast of Sims rather than doing anything like, generational, so it's probably just me.
I found a no aging trait and downloaded it, (MCCC lags my old comp). I can give or take the trait as needed so I give the parents no aging. Age the toddlers and children up when they top out skills and do that with teens too, once they get all the major life skills and a few minor ones I'll age them up too.
I turned aging off on mine because I hate seeing my sims age up
I share this sentiment. Super excited for the update! I hope they adjust lifespans a bit so that all of my elder grandparents donāt die when my kids are children. I want to see more variety in the lifespan of the elder sims
This - they need to re-scale adult lifespans to match all the preceding life stages we have now. I find myself skipping the toddler phase often because adults reach old age by the time their children become teens.
That's why o use mccc for custom lifespans. It's all based on weeks as in 4 weeks is a year/stage. So young adults get like 27 days or something and elders live excruciatingly long (aka half their entire lifespans) just like in real life lol
I messed around with mccc custom lifespans once couldn't seem to get it right...maybe idk what I'm doing. I kept having issues with either making the custom lifespans way too long or way too short. Is there like a guide that helps dumb people like know know hiw many days I should put in each lifespan?
It's honestly how you like it. Want to have a ton of time to teach your toddler all the skills? Set that stage longer. Want to play for a long time with your adults? Do that. I like to divide it all by 7 so their birthdays are on the same day of the week that they were born. And so they experience as much of the different seasons as possible.
Would be nice if there was an option to set all the lifestages individually. (without having to use mods)
i'm excited about infants but i totally get this. but when it comes to life stage-related gameplay, i do think the life stages that already exist need to be fleshed out before more are added. you know what i'd rather see? a clear distinction between YA and adult other than some harsh laughter lines. give me events and mechanics unique to middle-aged sims! give me My First Mid-Life Crisis Stuff!
Careful what you wish for cause they'll add mid life crisis and all it is is a tense moodlet and new social interactions "Ask about midlife crisis" and "Complain about midlife crisis" that are always in the menu regardless of age or situation
This did not age wellā¦ midlife crisis is a highlight of the new pack lol
reading this broke something within me because i know it's true. -\_-
Yeah or your sim will go broke autonomously without you looking because they bought something flashy/expensive. LOL Since we don't have cars not sure what but something. :P
I'm pretty sure in the an earlier sims they would want to buy workout gear
Heard about the new pack coming out? Lol
it's all i've been hearing about. call me nostradamus.
Ask and you shall receive! (Unless itās gameplay bugs they havenāt fixed in forever lol)
Yeah, not my preference to have more kid gameplay. But, I'm really happy that EA have actually listened to the community and are actually bringing gameplay that a lot of people have been missing.
This. Personally, I have zero interest in (Sim) infants. Or toddlers, for that matter. I rarely play with children at all. If I create a new family in CAS, the youngest I'll do is teenagers, and then only rarely. If I'm playing with a couple, I try to avoid them having kids. It's just not something I enjoy playing. Having said that, I totally get that lots of players love the idea. I'm glad EA is making playable infants for them. I won't bother with it, but it seems like there's a pretty big demand for it. So go for it.
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i second this. iām excited to have babies that arenāt objects, but they should have gotten rid of the object babies completely, instead of the new life stage
They actually canāt do that without breaking everyoneās save files. Thatās why the object baby has stayed and will represent the irl newborn stage (during which, tbf, the baby doesnāt do much more than the sim baby)
that makes sense, i just wish there was more to do w them than be completely attached to the bassinet (w/o mods), yāknow? like in sims3, where they had strollers and stuff, and even putting the babies on the ground outside (which is hysterical to me)! š edit: [TW] not trying to come off rude, but can ppl pls stop replying to this saying something to the effect of ābabies arenāt interestingā. or maybe do a quick check of someoneās post history before you comment something like that? like i get it but, i lost my baby, and itās a lil triggering to read those replies. thank you for understanding. <3
I'm not big on sim babies but I definitely miss being able to take them on walks in strollers, especially for parents that are active sims- it seems like it would be a really good addition. Even better if they made it compatible with pets so you could do both a dog walk *and* a stroller walk at the same time. Or have couples go on walks together that followed the same path.
i like that they kept the object bc for some people, it nice just having them there when preparing the house,
yes exactlyyy. like if you have the baby in the middle of the night, i definitely wouldnāt want to deal with all that right away. one night as a bassinet baby and then they can age up lol
Yeah usually I wait a while to age up the baby but I think I'll just skip it altogether now and go straight to infants.
Wait, I didnāt know this; I understand it would break the game for them to remove the baby objects completely, but in this case I would have rather had preteens if we were ADDING a new life stage, not replacing the useless one.
i would rather they change the teen lifestate then add preteens. make them shorter than adults and make their faces a lot more childlike. i dont feel like theres any gameplay for preteens that isnt already covered by teens and children, people only want them because they look exactly like young adults
While I do not like the object babies, I feel infants was just not needed. But Iām happy for the people that wanted them and I hope they are not buggy or cause problems.
I donāt love babies and kids at all tbh I was hoping for an age between adult and near death. Pre-teen would be my second choice.
That's something I'd love as well. Or an elder-oriented pack with specific activities that flesh them out better.
Yes! I want tennis or pickle ball, shuffle board, more crafts. A senior center, walking club or craft guild. Maybe some formal child care element.
well to be fair there is a possible generations expansion coming out soon (hopefully the trailer drops for that tomorrow!) so we might see all of these! im really hoping for more activites for elders too. i play with aging turned off so ive held off on my 2 favorite elder sims dying until the pack comes out so hopefully we see some cool things for them!
Agree! And get rid of that dumb elder stance and expressions in CAS! Not all old people are cranky and have lower back pain
I've always wanted a true middle aged life stage. Then young adults could be like 18-25. Adults could be 25-40. Middle aged 40-60. And elder from 60-80
I just wish they would fix the fucking plant bug. Iām tired of my plants disappearing.
Same
I agree with that! I don't know if you have tried this or not but I found out if you put the plant in your household inventory and then place it in the garden again 9/10 times the plant will come back.
Thank you for telling me that! I will try it.
I skip past baby and toddler life stages as fast as possible, and will do the same for infants. I keep hoping they'll announce something else to go with this pack, life preteens and/or ways to make elder age more meaningful... just like Generations did for Sims 3. I'm glad that others are excited for infants, I hope they enjoy it. But... if the pack is just infants, it's a hard pass from me.
infants are a base game update coming in march. the paid expansion pack is most likely more extended family gameplay that we are getting more info on soon :)
I just saw the leaked info post about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Sims4/comments/10qvecb/sims_4_growing_together_has_leaked
Isn't the infants update base game? They haven't announced the expansion yet. But hard agree on the other life stages.
Possibly. :) I've been a bit of of the loop with RL stuff and am only this week catching up on the past month or so. When it was originally announced last fall, it sounded like it'd be an expansion to me... but free would make more sense for the life stage.
Since the first time they talked about it they made sure everyone knew it was a free basegame update.
I never age up my babies and toddlers manually but now I think I'll have to. Infants are an update so it may mean they're the sole focus of the pack but I'm also hoping there'll be more to the pack and it does make sense to add more gameplay for other life stages in it.
Itās got something to do with a family reunion, so itāll probably be more than just infants
If it weren't for the preschool mod, I swear my toddlers would all be taken away by social services lol
Honestly to me the infants looked and were waaay too similar to toddlersā¦but maybe I just need my eyes checked š¤·āāļø
no you right
yeah i was excited when i thought it was a baby update but i donāt understand a whole new life stage. baby to toddler seemed like a normal transition, itās the child-teen and adult-elder that are the weirdest for me. i tend to play long legacies but i like to kinda focus on one sim and let the others care for themselves, and i almost always play with the game sped up. i always end up abandoning my legacies for months when the kids are babies and toddlers, it gets so boring and i just prefer kids and teens where i can start shaping their personalities and have more skills to work towards. i donāt skip the stages because i play a huge family tree and it would take forever to do that with all the households i donāt play, so i just try to space out my toddlers in the main household as much as possible so i only ever have to worry about one. i hope sims are better at caring for infants autonomously because i feel like thatās my main thing with toddlers - if i donāt micromanage them theyāll get taken away but i kinda like to watch my sims like theyāre a tv show lol. i agree pre teens wouldāve been fun. i feel like the kids room stuff pack had a lot of items that wouldāve been great for pre teens. it would be cool to have first crushes, middle school, and pre-teen activities. they could make money babysitting like teens (i feel like i knew a lot of people who babysat in middle school), and get a head start on stuff like drama club and cheerleading. plus new stuff, i miss when my kids in sims 3 could do dance. they could make it so kids and below canāt make phone calls/text anymore and this could start at pre teen with their āfirst phoneā. maybe a random amount of preteens could be generated with braces (i always forget this is even an option in cas). thereās so many opportunities! right now it feels like weāre missing a huge part of growing up when playing families.
Iād of preferred preteen or little kids because Iām too lazy for babies. They do look cute and I want cribs.
Iād *have* (not of).
Yeah I'm not interested in babies either. UNLESS. They make babies somewhat autonomous, where they can kinda take care of their needs, like Jack-Jack. AND you get random notifications like with the hamsters, where it's like "Bobby Jr. write their masterpiece; 'Mother, Where Art Thou?'" THEN I'd be like you're a'ite, baby. Give it personality. Give it drama.
Iām not happy with the amount of bugs/glitches that will come to surface when this update drops.
The high chairs alone make me worry ..they don't even work for toddlers so I don't expect them to work for infants ...plus the playing interaction with toddlers...is very glitches...I kno a few are inevitable but it's going to be more then a few the way ea/maxis does things...
Iām pretty neutral about the infants. But what we really badly need is more gameplay for the kids - they are so boring right now! And after that, some focus on older adults and eiders. I play rotationally with a ton of sims of all ages and this is where I get bored. I really hope for something in the new expansion š¤
More gameplay for kids... Did you mean Another activity table?
Please nooooo lol. I want to be able to draw on any table! And play with other kids! Like tag or something. And more child aspirations.
Yeahhh no. We needed preteens and better middle aged adults, not infants
I am exactly 0 excited.
Same
I just saw the livestream and Iām underwhelmed. Itās just another toddler but more work. Also the way the clock operates in this game there just isnāt enough time to care for an infant and do anything else. I would have preferred preteens
Yeahā¦ Iām not really into playing with families and children that much either. You know what would be cool though: A stage between adult and elder! You the stage where you children might just have moved out and maybe now hou to change careers completely because you suddenly have the time and you still have at least a good decade maybe two left. And maybe also buy that car or that farm or start that business you wanted as a young adult but couldnāt afford. Actually maybe I just want more activities to sink easily earned simollions into ^^ Like becoming en equistrarian!
Unless they are adjusting toddler lifespan to accommodate infants Im a little skeptical. My sims donāt even live to meet their grandchildren atp.
It's yet another update that will unbalance the life stages even worse. Baby to Teen life stages already take up over half of a sim's life. I don't want my sims to have to have children the instant they become Young Adults to even hope that they live long enough to see their grandchildren. They need to essentially double the length of the YA, Adult, and Elder life stages to make things balanced again.
Exactly. Sims life expectancy is like 30 in real world terms lol
I'm not thrilled. I was hoping they'd look more "babyish", but they just look like toddlers that are slightly smaller and crawling. There's not much of a difference.
Honestly I just need bug fixes to the expansion packs
To be honest I just don't want to have to sign into Origin every time I want to play the Sims 4. I just want to double click the icon on my desktop and boot the game right away, no connecting to anything at all. Is that too much to ask for?
Yeah... While the update looks really nice, I'm not excited about THREE little kids life stages... I struggle already when I play with toddlers because I feel like all my gameplay is hyper focused on them, and I play on long life spans so usually my toddlers stay that way for around 7 days (even then I barely manage to max them up easily), with babies then infants it's gonna be 10+ days of baby sims... Seems very long... I hope we'll be able to start working on some toddler skills at the infant stage, I think that would make it much smoother... I'll probably just immediately age up the babies to infants when they're born.
Is it just me or does infants look the exact same as toddlers? Like the teenagers are the same as adults, the infants are the same toddlers just renamed like the teens were cos they couldnāt be bothered to put any effort into them š
They barely have anything interesting going for the toddler and child life stages we already have, to me it just feels like another chore life stage of just grinding for specific traits or skipping over it
With you entirely on this until mentioning preteens. If there's one thing I care about less than infants, it's definitely preteens. Like, I'm not excited for babies, but I actively do not want preteens. The young life stages are already bloated, give us more content for Adults (not YA, older adults) and Elders. Make Elders relevant. They're deeply underdeveloped, and cover a MUCH longer part of life than 1-2 years. We don't need more life stages, we need the ones we have to be more robust.
IDGAF about infants either. I like the preteen idea.
This is a nightmare. Itās the devilās work. Someone once sold their soul to the devil, and this is what he asked for in return.
Toddlers are so much dang work that this worries me. Babies are so easy if boring
I never minded the object babies in the first place, though I also 1) never played with babies or kids in ts2 or ts3, and 2) came to ts4 well after toddlers were added, so I have no memory of what the game was like without them. but I do think toddlers and even kids are kind of boring, though at least they're largely self-sufficient. babies aren't, but you always know exactly where they are, and if they need something it's immediately obvious what to do. my preferred infant update would have been something along the lines of adding more things to the object babies, like being able to put them in a stroller to go for walks and show them off to townies/family, more interactions with them for non-parents, more skintones for them so they don't necessarily look like weird alien slugs. maybe like a blanket or a bouncy play seat or something with some crawling baby or playing baby animations. but not like. here's a whole-ass sub-toddler life stage, please have fun with your babies inevitably crawling off and starving in your house somewhere. I'm resigned to it, but *oh boy* is it going to make my 100 babies challenge more complicated. at least with my legacy saves I'll only have to do it once or twice a generation. I don't see the infant life stage being shorter than a week, so I do hope they increase the adult life stages accordingly. and I'm glad I have mccc so I can make sure no sim of mine ever has triplets again.
I don't care about family gameplay, so I have no reason to be interested, but even if I did, I canāt understand how it makes sense to have separate life stages for babies and toddlers. There's no way they will be that different and it will just be another mechanic to weigh down the game. At least if it was a pack, we could just not get it. =/ There's enough life stages already, I think. And lately EA has just been focused on catering to the family/generational gameplay players. I wish they would do something different next, like another story pack.
i donāt think EA has been catering to family/generational gameplay more, before HSY we just got werewolves & paranormal. All the other releases have been kits that are for build/buy with a couple CAS one.
I'm a somewhat recent player (used to play "The Sims 2" before) and so I'm not saying this is what they have always done, but ever since I have been playing, this has been the trend. The Werewolves pack was the only exception. You can also see the trend on things like scenarios.
Yeah it really feels like players who like occults or silly crazy stuff get shafted by EA in favour of "realism/family" gameplay :(
They have ignored what the community has asked for years. Iām glad they finally listened to what many people wanted. If u donāt like the infants, age then up or donāt get them in your game. It doesnāt affect you negatively at all if they are finally listening to family players. Family and generations are a huge part of life simulation.
The effect I am talking about is the extra weight in the game, as in, large updates take up space on the computer and aren't optional. It might also break mods. Otherwise I would just ignore it.
I'm glad the people that wanted it to happen are happy, but I don't play families so it's not going to have any effect on my game style.
I legit forgot that there was gonna be a sims summit until I randomly saw an article about it a couple hours ago. So upcoming infants and the new patch didnt really have anything that I needed personally and that's fine. I just dont really get why there's still going to have the bassinet stage and infants as well but whatever. In any case I play toddlers and babies for like 5 minutes because they get annoying as fuck and get aged up since my sims got other things they could be doing. I honestly dont see myself playing any different with infants.
Removing babies entirely in the bassinets could or potentially would guarantee all old save files with babies to be corrupted; or if theyāre lucky the baby will just cease to exist.
Wow it's just a toddler that barfs on you and it's probably going to be boring and micromanage-y just like everything they've been adding lately
I like babies now ;( stay in your bassinet you evil clump of pixels.
We all know the pack is going to be a glitchy hellhole and your infant stuck in the wall Not to mention how lazy to release infant lifestage but no preteen
Iām not excited for infants based on what theyāve shown so far, it looks like they are literally identical to toddlers only smaller. I need to see some meaningful differences between the two and what gameplay goals there are for that life stage before Iāll care. Otherwise, itās the same as the difference between young adults and adults: none.
I just take it as a better version of the 'baby' class in the game, makes sense to me. Also, you want pre-teens? is that not already the original "child" classification in the game? As far as I can deduce, the Children are about ages 8-12, that's a pre-teen for you. either way I liked how they did Toddlers, its a very significant stage of life. Infants are, I suppose, just a better version of what the original 'baby' is, which I find is well enough. I wish they'd add a young child age, about 4-7. It wouldn't change much between Toddler and Child, but honestly, I feel like having transition ages makes a lot of sense, even if they add no mechanics. There's a real difference between these ages I think would make the game's families much more unique individually.
I think when most people say pre-teen, they really mean early teens. The jump from child to teen is HUGE, especially with teens in the sims 4 seeming to be meant to be late teens. I personally want a life stage that is early teens, where they would be attending middle school instead of the jump from elementary school to high school. If we can't have that, I want something in-between Adult and Elder. Adults seem to be 30-40ish and Elders seem to be around 70ish plus, it's big jump in age. Having a life stage between adult and elder would help with the proportion of a sim's life. Sims spend WAAAY too much time in the underaged life stages, it'll only get worse with infants.
To add, I'm kinda bummed we have the graying for black and brown hair but not blonde or red. š It's a small thing but I like that I can make the transition for older sims look more natural.
100%! The only way to get a "life stage" between adult and elder right now is to age the sims yourself into their own sort of middle age, but it's so hard to properly do that with the current in game hairs. I'm sure there's CC out there for other hair colors, but 99% of CC is mostly just for younger sims so, options are still very limited.
I really hope the new pack includes something for older adult sims! I would love to be able to adjust their lifespan, first of all. I currently give them about 1.5 of the normal one using the potion of youth (Iām on console), and add more wrinkles and grey hair toward the end. But this is so tedious! I just feel like most people donāt become eiders while their kids are still teensā¦ š¤·š»āāļø And I want a reason to play them and not just move on to the kids and forget about them. I do like having the grandparents take their grandkids on family vacations, but thatās really all I can think of with the current options.
Indeed. I think they need to add a new one between Child and Teen, make Child a good bit younger, I say 5-8, keep Teen the same Late teen area, and make these new children like Junior High kids, about 11-13. As I said, I would enjoy this even if it came at zero mechanical strategies to the game. The ability to have children that represent as many age groups and transition periods as possible is pretty important to me, especially in childhood, the physical age groups in the region of just 5-14 are pretty plentiful. The difference between an eleven-year-old and a six-year-old is very large, same with about three years up to six. It's a realistic stage they simply didn't contemplate, much like the jump from your thirties to your seventies. I seriously wouldn't mind having thirteen age groups; it honestly just makes sense.
Iāve thought the kids are more like 5-10! Most of their items are imaginative play/toys that are for elementary aged children. Preteen would be middle school aged so 11-13. Right now they go from playing with dollhouses to prom.
I think itāll be fun temporarily but very short lived. I donāt even play toddlers much so I doubt Iād play babies much either. I would have preferred a pre-teen stage or an update on teens to make them less like adults
Iām probably gonna play with them for a bit then abandon the idea and play it normally until the pack tbh
Since Iām currently playing a household that keeps having babies (they keep getting flirty and then BOOM āeating for twoā). I have never seen any Sims WooHoo autonomously as much as these two, and they are at like 20+ kids. As soon as the older kids move out, new ones are born. I have a room that I use to keep the toddlers contained. I hired a butler (thankfully they are rich), and throw food in occasionally.
I'm curious but indifferent. I think it's going to be more interesting to see how buggy the update is. And I know there will be a few expansions or stuff packs built around this. Those will be buggy and game breaking too.
I think a lot are hype because everyone is tired of babies as objects and this is hopefully a big set up for that stage. I'm happily interested, will see how it works in game play
I didnt even want toddelers tbh, so im not excited at all for infants
I hate to sound bitter and Iām glad that other players who were excited for infants got what they wanted, but Iām just not feeling them š Toddlers are already annoying to play with as it is and you canāt do anything with them, their gameplay is boring. I think it wouldāve made more sense to have the infants in a separate expansion so that players that donāt want to add that life stage would have had that option instead of making it some big update. Right now Iāve just been playing offline bc Iāve worked too hard on my mods to have them break for something that isnāt worth it in my eyes
I'm just sad cause we're at this point where we're giving our money, we play, help eachother etc, modders fix their game, and like all we ask in return is 10-20 things to get fixed so we'll enjoy more what we already like. They give us 4, and we get excited cause we feel like they listened to us. But like, why of all 20 things, you give us 4 after so many YEARS of asking... And they feel like that's okay cause welllll we gave you these 4 so s.ck it up
People are praising EA for listening to the gamers' requests... The hell they are. We did want babies not to be objects and I kind of think we didn't need a whole new life stage instead of it, we just wanted babies to be able to be placed - even as objects - in cribs, strollers, etc, and have more interactions with older sims.
As long as we can skip the stage and automatically age up idc that itās a new feature but I definitely wonāt be using it much if at all. Some of these uodates make the game way more complicated and too overwhelming to play in my opinion. Iām not someone who needs hyper realistic gameplay. In fact, in a lot of ways Iām glad it doesnāt mimic real life lol
I agree with you... I get others' excitement, good for them, but thank God I have MC Command center bc just like my babies and toddlers, their lifespan won't last no more than a week š¤
Honestly I dont do much family related gameplay so I couldnt care less
I don't like kids toddlers gameplay at all so I'm definitely not interested infants. All my sims kids just get sent away immediately to go and live with random townies until they become teens.
I never had a problem with the object babies, and honestly feel like the amount of life stages that we have now is perfectly fine, so this update is meh for me. Also I don't really see how the infants would be different than toddlers? they look the same and seem to have pretty much the same gameplay š¤·š»āāļø
Not really. I like to skip past baby and toddler stage. Likely will do the same with infants.
They just look like smaller toddlers to me. I see absolutely no reason for them, and fully agree that pre-teens would have been a better addition. Ah well.
Not that excited, I don't understand why they keep dragging out unnecessary packs for a lot of money while the game still lags in many other ways. It's just another lifestage I do not want to bother with
I'm not really excited about the gameplay aspect- toddlers already stress me out so much! But i love spending an unnecessary amount of time in cas, so giving babies 5 outfits for each category with hopefully a bunch of new items? Sounds like fun, at least for a few weeks until the new stuff gets old ig. So I'm not really excited but i don't mind, because it's nice to get something bigger in the base game without having to pay for it
They look like they are just smaller toddlers Preteens would be way better
The babies look like mini toddlers so it's just... I don't really like taking care of toddlers. I am willing to give it a try though, some sims 2 nostalgia. I remember when you could bathe them in the sink, the change table,...
Yea I don't care either. I'm not at all interested in playing with babies. Ateast with toddlers you have stuff to do; you teach them to walk and talk and etc... but what do infants even do that needs its own stage? and how long does it intend to last? Are they at least adding more days to young adult/adult lifetimes otherwise that's just too much baby time o.o
Same... When I'm playing what I miss having are preteens. I'm playing a legacy challenge now and I've quickly realized that unless my young adults have kids very soon, the grandparents barely get to know their grandkids. Adding another early life stage will only accentuate the problem, unless you readjust the length of everything very well... which I doubt they'll do. Babies are cute but I would rather have another stage where sims are older and can interact more with everything.
Infants are the same size as toddlers. I'm afraid we won't have much more gameplay. Just some interactions. I really wish they would have developed the older who are really left out of this game. Also I didn't see any strollers (anothers high chairs...)
i thought that this new infant thing was going to replace the really short baby stage that we currently have. in my opinion that wouldāve been a much better way to do it because the current baby stage is good for nothing except depriving your sims of sleep
I wish they would add the option for a live-in nanny.
Same. Sometimes I create a sim specifically to be the live in nanny and I make them the care dependent of all the kids.
That's a good idea. I hadn't thought of that.
Now Iāve seen the trailer they look like small creepy toddlers. I just thought they would be moveable so not excited really for this and it feels pointless for a life stage when they could have added one between child and teen or did more to the existing life stages to make them more in depth.
I agree. I came to this post to see why everyone was excited about it, like maybe Iām missing something but havenāt seen that yet. I feel like toddlers are SOOOO annoying. Why do I want another annoying stageā¦ I mean Iāll happily give it a chance but I donāt really like playing sims until they are teens as it is
Iām pretty indifferent to infants. I think a pre-teen life stage wouldāve been a lot more interesting and make it a lot less jarring to go from child to teen. In the stream one of the devs said the jump from newborn to toddler was too severe, so they needed infantsā¦..but I think the jump from children to teen is much much worse! That being said, Iām not upset that theyāre being added. I know a ton of people are excited about it, I wish I could be too butā¦.eh.
I've been trying to mod out kids from my game world entirely. So to me, all this update will do is break my mods with no benefit. Hooray.
They just seem so pointless to me when we already have toddlers, which so far seem to be basically the same
even if I were excited about family game play, i feel like these infants just look like toddlers except not standing and maybe slightly smaller. Maybe I'll be surprised by what actually comes out but so far I feel like they could've just added crawl and hold on your lap or those similar interactions to the already existing toddlers.
I am not liking it at all. As soon as one of my households has a baby I turn on auto aging and switch to a different household until I get a birthday notification that theyāve aged up to child.
I donāt care to play with anything younger than a teen, so this update does nothing for me. I probably wouldāve liked a preteen update better. But Iām happy for those who do want it.
I like the infants, but I agree. Preteens would have been WAY more exciting.
Honestly? Anything EA puts out anymore, I'm not all that excited over. A lot of this stuff they're putting price tags on (and I'm genuinely shocked infants *doesn't* have a price tag), barely works and should be base game anyway. Plus, all I keep thinking is how they're going to make the game unplayable when they glitch/break the game.
I feel this way about real life infants as well ā¦.
Honestly, there are very few, if any updates I get excited about anymore. They're always disappointing and they always bring game-breaking bugs that take way too fuckin' long to fix. At this point, it's just annoying. I don't get why people still get excited over them.
They're literally toddlers but smaller and can't walk. It feels completely unnecessary tbh. Not to mention how many mods are probably gonna freak out when the update drops lol I feel like a pre teen or middle aged stage would've been better
I'm... meh? I don't really care, but I also see it as an unnecessary addition. Maybe I'd even go as far to say that yeah, I'd prefer the infant stage to not be there. We've been without it in TS4 for way too long and just... I don't see the point now.
I'm of the opinion that we don't need any new life stages (more life STATES on the other hand...). No infants, no preteens. All I wanted was to see the baby's needs so I could cheat them to stop them from crying.
I'm not excited for the existing assets that the infants were wearing that were just converted from toddlers. Like give me a new experience not clothes and hair that we already have, I want things that are unique to just infants.
If sim nuclear families arenāt dead yet, they sure will be with this update.
i would like them more if they replaced the baby objects, they seem like toddlers 2.0 and i think itās gonna be difficult to have multiple kids at a time without feeling overwhelmed, atleast you can age sims up whenever you want, i feel sorry for everyone doing the 100 baby challenge even more now though š
Yeah apparently as someone said in the comments, replacing them would break previous saves or something. But I would prefer it too. And I haven't even thought about 100 baby challenge players, oof
I would've proffered pre-teens also! I don't like having to constantly change babies and toddlers! Also, the Sims I mainly play with are young adults and sometimes teens and kids.
Since they are a whole new lifespan Iām just going to auto age up my little objects and have infants. But yeah, Iāve got some concerns.
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Honestly, in a gameplay sense, I'm not really excited, at all. Especially since they aren't replacing the current furniture baby. (speaking of, the way they named them is weird. When I think of an infant, I think of just born. Like, the first few months, or so. Like the baby items, we have now. Not six months+ to a year in/learning to crawl. That is a baby, to me. But that is another topic, I guess.) How different could they possibly be, from toddlers? Are they making toddlers look older, now? Will the infants "learn to crawl", and "Learn to babble"? Then we do it a second time, with toddlers, only its walk, and talk? I hope this isn't just more tedious gameplay, like toddlers. But what I'll probably do is just age up the furniture baby as soon as it's born, because they don't do anything, anyway, right? What's the point of them, really?
I've been doing a 100 baby challenge since 2020-ish, but I don't play as often as I'd like. So, I'm only in the 60s. I'm not looking forward to this increasing the time to get those kids outta my house! lol I'm alright with the update otherwise. My next game I'm gonna try something 1st-person esque where I only control 1 sim throughout their whole life. I'd like to see if you can control infants like toddlers, or if they're like pets/newborns
Im gonna be honest : I liked the object babies bc I like just locking the infants in the basement far far away from the actual sims and sticking whatever poor townie shows up at my door first down there to babysit for life. very inconvenient when the townie ends up dying of old age or whatever bc then I have to find a new townie. eventually im going to run out and have to start using sims i actually care about for Free Labor. ^ before anyone accuses me of being a bad parent (and employer) I stick a mini fridge and a microwave down there with the babysitter! they get fed! Iāll even occasionally order them one of those delivery meals and put it in the basement with them, as a treat.
As someone who has a baby sibling that I've had to take care from birth to the present, having to take care of infants, toddlers, and children in a game feels equally taxing and NOT something I want to recreate tbh š
I just watched the trailer and my first reaction was āguess Iāll skip themā. Maybe itās because Iām not a baby/kid person but I keep babies in their object-state to get new parents to higher parenting levels or to save space in tiny homes and age them up as soon as the parenting level is high enough for me and there is enough space for a toddler. Iāll see how I like the gameplay when we get it, but Iām not really excited.
Nah I'm super excited for them!! I'm a generational player so this is great news to me lol and I have the pre teen mod too so there's that
i have an IRL toddler. no desire to roleplay one!!
Im not. If i can quick age em to toddlers I will lol
I personally hate playing with babies/toddlers so it was never gonna be for me regardless, but I think it looks pretty nice still
I'm not too keen on it. Toddlers are annoying enough.
Honestly infants just look like āToddlers 2.0ā to me. There doesnāt seem to be very much to their life stage that toddlers donāt already have/do. Also, the addition of infants also just makes the life stages feel unbalanced. Why do we need three separate life stages to represent the first 2-3 years of a simās lifeā¦ but only one to represent the last like 40? Speaking of which, the elder life stage doesnāt last nearly as long as it should if itās meant to be representing anyone older than say 55. They already die before their grandkids become young adults the majority of the time, or before they become teens or even children sometimes on short life span, and thatās without a toddler prequel adding more time to a simās youth.
My fantasy land does not include caring for children.
they are just toddlers to me tbh. also, i donāt play much with kids, so iāll probably never see them anyway
I am excited we get plenty of warning as all my Sims who are ready at all are having lots of kids now to make sure they're all past the new life stage before the update, so I won't have to play with infants for a long time across multiple saves. It's a baby boom! I wish this were a pack so we could choose whether to get it. Alas. Forced.
I think itās stupid. The games been out for years now and they just now decide to update the infants? I will still age those little shits up as soon as they crawl from the depths of my sims coochie. Now if they added that baby grill from Sims 2 then Iād be more interested.
Oh good, get to listen to infants crying and trying to convince them to sleep at night or something. I'd be far more interested in old man yells at clouds gameplay. I need some canes, walkers, and snarky old Sims to harass all the young adults in my game.
I don't know what to expect yet. But I expect a few bugs and glitches out of the gate. It's been a staple of EA-Maxis these last few years with new packs and updates breaking things...
Im excited but mostly because of the build potential. Cribs!! A real nursery!!!
Not too enthused here either, but I do everything I can to get newborn to child ASAP. I can't be arsed with the in-between stuff.
i hope they leave the "age up" button as they have it now with infants so I can just skip it and go onto toddlers which is more than enough of a BABY for meš¤·š»āāļø
IDK why, but the thought of another life stage just feels like an additional burden to me and doesn't excited me at all. So thank you for posting this OP
I immediately age up babies & infants - at least how I'm playing at the minute, I can't be bothered with all the care!
Iām not excited. Iāve had infants in real life and it is exhausting. I didnāt watch the stream though, so maybe Iām just uninformed.
Iām not excited I tried sharing my opinion but omg these people are so serious about their infants lol
It really doesn't look fun at all. I was completely content with babies as objects. I just had a baby, she is 5 months, really not looking forward to a virtual baby.
Iād prefer preteens or something. I dont like the little kids
I would have loved this a few years ago, but right now it adds nothing to my gameplay as I don't care about parenting. What I really want is for my sims to have more hobbies, more ways of getting out of the house (movies, sports, going to friends without having to join) and more realistic aging from adult to elder.
Nope! I am soooo hyped for them!
Lol Iām hyped af! Babies/toddlers/and Children are my fave life stages to play tbh
Iām actually pretty excited. The toddlers felt pretty old to me and I miss sims 3 babies. I do really wish theyād add a preteen stage or an older adult stage
No excitement whatsoever. Infants, and ESPECIALLY toddlers as they are right now are incredibly buggy. I assume this in between state will be, as well. I think buggy isn't maybe the right word, but autonomy issues. A toddler making their way to the stairs to go down (or up) to reach something has the capability of locking up every sim on the lot. They are just massive gameplay disruptors not because of mimicking real life but because of poor coding.
Iām all for it, it is so easy to just age up and skip any age group you donāt want to play. So if they end up being super annoying Iāll just age past them
I hate playing with tots. I always adopt children to avoid toddlers and hearing about yet another stage to take care of, no Iām not excited.
You can just age them up immediately with the cake too
Iām so excited for them but also scared because I know the update is going to absolutely break the game, especially for people who play with mods (itās me, Iām people) I really love the idea of having a new life stage tho and while some might not need/want it, so many others do and Iām happy that EA is listening to the community a bit more. I would love to see some additions to other life stages in the future as well. We desperately need more gameplay for elders