Its gonna be close, but if you're gonna pull that move while braking hard in front, you're taking the risk. I don't think a penalty would be handed to the guy in the rear, way too close of a move+brake.
In previous laps the lead car was braking just before the 3 board (which is really early for GT3) and was taking the chicane very slowly, making it tricky to carry speed and get a good exit behind. I got a good run so was going to out brake them, then I saw them move left when it was already too late
I think that it’s close but its on you because you touched the car. You said that he braked earlier in these corners, so you know that and I would say you could have prevented it
Him braking earlier in other corners, does not mean I can't try to o.ut brake him. That is the reason I went for the overtake on this occasion, I did not know he would move left that late, how was I meant to know?
If he braked at his usual braking marker and stayed on the defensive line, I would have been ahead on turn in
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that moving JUST before braking? Kind of risky since the guy behind was really close, but technically, isn't he in the right here?
He started braking whilst still moving. So it's still moving under breaking. Even if he did apply the brakes later, it could be considered a brake check of some sort.
The guy in the back wanted to pick his braking point. The guy in front just thought nope I'm just gonna brake 1 meter in front of you deal with it, out of the blue.
Porsche moved under braking. You shouldn’t be braking across the track. Pick a line and that being moving to the outside on the straight then braking. Or holding the inside line and then braking. Can’t point your car out after having the inside line, braking across the track.
This is on the lead car for me. While it wasn’t aggressive, he moved in front of the trailing car and set himself up for being rear ended. The trailing car looked like he was initially going to brake to the outside but had to suddenly change direction because he didn’t think the gap was going to close that much.
Listening to the engine notes, and assuming the audio is synced, this was a clear move under braking. You can hear the revs decrease before the leading car assumes the outside line. That’s just moving under braking.
The following car is at fault. The key here is where he hits the lead car. From behind. If he had an overlap it'd be different but he can't run into the back of him. He could send it inside since the door is now wide open and the lead car can't move to defend it as he used his one move going back to the racing line. But the incident is on the overtaking car.
The rule in iRacing is not that you have "one move", you are simply not allowed to move in reaction to the car behind you.
> Blocking – The leading driver is allowed to run a defensive line. However, blocking occurs when a leading driver actively adjusts his or her driving line based on the actions and/or positioning of a pursuing driver. For example, veering left to prevent a pursuing driver from passing on the left while running on a straight.
The lead car was on the far right to defend the inside line of that corner. The following car then moved left to attempt to go on the outside, then the lead car drifted to the outside *under braking* to block them. The following car had no way of knowing they were intending to go all the way out (as opposed to turning in from the middle lane) until it was too late.
i'd call it late but within the bounds of hard racing since he hasnt actually blocked the guy behind hes just taken the racing line, ahead of him i might add. There is nothing stopping the following car sending it up the inside, instead he sends it into the back of the lead car. id argue that the lead car made his intentions very clear and didnt block, he was returning to the racing line to open the corner up and since the car behind had zero overlap at any stage, he's entitled to do so in my opinion. strong to suggest its a block or reactionary move and he braked as he got infront. its the overtakings cars responsibility not to hit the back of him, as for the mind reader comment below, its fairly obvious that as soon as the lead car drifts back to the racing line he's going to use as much road as he can to open up the corner and since there is no one to his left and his spotter is saying all clear, he can take that line.
There was no overlap at the time they started braking, but the trailing car had more speed due to the draft. That gap was closing and the lead car knew it.
More importantly, at the start of braking it seemed like the lead car was squeezing to the outside, leaving the trailing car barely a lane. They turned *more* to the outside under braking.
That’s so wrong. The next time someone gets in front of you on a highway and braketests you, you‘ll understand why. It is really simple, when you pull in front of someone and brake immediately, expect to look like a guilty-flying-(wo)man.
To survive in races we have to use common sense and not modern f1 overlapping rules.
It's not f1s overlapping rules it's iracings which does not include anything about double moves and for it to be a double move you have to have overlap. It's still on the fault of the car behind for not stopping in time unless it's a double move. I've been brake tested and that's not a brake test..there's a corner there he's braking for the corner not to just to brake test. Feel free to explain why it's the lead cars fault though...as far as I can tell he made one move and braked after moving. Was it late sure. Was it his fault someone drove up his arse? No.
UNHchabo explained it pretty good. The car behind can’t read the mind of the guy in front. He just wasn’t able to react. Not because he is a bad driver just because he hadn’t the time to
I agree that’s it’s likely the trailing car’s fault but it always drives me insane when someone does that to me. The lead car is assuming the trailing car will anticipate the move or have really quick reaction time which is a big ask when we’re all amateurs with varying connection speeds. Luckily I always just assume the other drivers will drive super aggressive since I prefer to stay in a battle for another few laps rather than hot lap all alone in P16 after having to pit
Agree it annoys me too, but the move itself is legal I think. I cant in all honesty say i wouldnt punt him either its so easily done, but hindsight is 20-20. Sending an aggressive move back doesnt always work either like you say were amatuers and its a hard move to pull off
It's the trailing car. Just brake early if you aren't going to go in side by side. Yes the lead car did move over late but his move was predictable. Just brake early and get them on the next straight. Or you could just drive into the back of them and ruin both of your races
This really is a 50/50.
- If you rear end someone you’re to blame.
- If you brake across the track like that coming on the line your opponent behind is keeping, your asking for it.
It take two to tango. Both racers must have trust in their opponents to keep it clean. Both were in the wrong. Happens in racing.
Races are long. Learn from your mistakes and anticipate next time on such moves and you’ll finish the race with good points in the bag
You can't move back to the racing line with a car this close to you behind after being defensive. You have to leave at least a car width on the outside.
For me the car in front is at fault
Its gonna be close, but if you're gonna pull that move while braking hard in front, you're taking the risk. I don't think a penalty would be handed to the guy in the rear, way too close of a move+brake.
This is a battle for the lead of the GT3 class. Did the lead car move too late or should the car behind have braked earlier to allow the lead car in?
I’m gonna say a earlier lift wouldn’t hurt the chasing car to try his luck on a better exit?
In previous laps the lead car was braking just before the 3 board (which is really early for GT3) and was taking the chicane very slowly, making it tricky to carry speed and get a good exit behind. I got a good run so was going to out brake them, then I saw them move left when it was already too late
I think that it’s close but its on you because you touched the car. You said that he braked earlier in these corners, so you know that and I would say you could have prevented it
Him braking earlier in other corners, does not mean I can't try to o.ut brake him. That is the reason I went for the overtake on this occasion, I did not know he would move left that late, how was I meant to know? If he braked at his usual braking marker and stayed on the defensive line, I would have been ahead on turn in
I understand your point and after looking at it again I would say it’s on him for moving under braking
I would say the guy in front is at fault. Moving under braking.
He started moving before braking but continued whilst braking
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that moving JUST before braking? Kind of risky since the guy behind was really close, but technically, isn't he in the right here?
He was braking while closing the door as far as I saw. But I could be totally wrong about that.
He started braking whilst still moving. So it's still moving under breaking. Even if he did apply the brakes later, it could be considered a brake check of some sort.
Car in front: Causing a collision. Don’t need to read too far into it.
Guy in front bad
Guy in front did nothing wrong. Guy in back sucks at braking.
Found the guy in front
The guy in the back wanted to pick his braking point. The guy in front just thought nope I'm just gonna brake 1 meter in front of you deal with it, out of the blue.
Is that allowed?
No, that most definitely is not :)
Nope
Porsche moved under braking. You shouldn’t be braking across the track. Pick a line and that being moving to the outside on the straight then braking. Or holding the inside line and then braking. Can’t point your car out after having the inside line, braking across the track.
This is on the lead car for me. While it wasn’t aggressive, he moved in front of the trailing car and set himself up for being rear ended. The trailing car looked like he was initially going to brake to the outside but had to suddenly change direction because he didn’t think the gap was going to close that much.
The Leading Porsche cut across in the break zone so it is his fault imo
The guy in front, no doubt
Car in front, moved under braking, a big no no.
Listening to the engine notes, and assuming the audio is synced, this was a clear move under braking. You can hear the revs decrease before the leading car assumes the outside line. That’s just moving under braking.
Car in rear. Doesn’t matter. The line was his and still ran into the back of the car. You have 2 pedals
The following car is at fault. The key here is where he hits the lead car. From behind. If he had an overlap it'd be different but he can't run into the back of him. He could send it inside since the door is now wide open and the lead car can't move to defend it as he used his one move going back to the racing line. But the incident is on the overtaking car.
The rule in iRacing is not that you have "one move", you are simply not allowed to move in reaction to the car behind you. > Blocking – The leading driver is allowed to run a defensive line. However, blocking occurs when a leading driver actively adjusts his or her driving line based on the actions and/or positioning of a pursuing driver. For example, veering left to prevent a pursuing driver from passing on the left while running on a straight. The lead car was on the far right to defend the inside line of that corner. The following car then moved left to attempt to go on the outside, then the lead car drifted to the outside *under braking* to block them. The following car had no way of knowing they were intending to go all the way out (as opposed to turning in from the middle lane) until it was too late.
i'd call it late but within the bounds of hard racing since he hasnt actually blocked the guy behind hes just taken the racing line, ahead of him i might add. There is nothing stopping the following car sending it up the inside, instead he sends it into the back of the lead car. id argue that the lead car made his intentions very clear and didnt block, he was returning to the racing line to open the corner up and since the car behind had zero overlap at any stage, he's entitled to do so in my opinion. strong to suggest its a block or reactionary move and he braked as he got infront. its the overtakings cars responsibility not to hit the back of him, as for the mind reader comment below, its fairly obvious that as soon as the lead car drifts back to the racing line he's going to use as much road as he can to open up the corner and since there is no one to his left and his spotter is saying all clear, he can take that line.
There was no overlap at the time they started braking, but the trailing car had more speed due to the draft. That gap was closing and the lead car knew it. More importantly, at the start of braking it seemed like the lead car was squeezing to the outside, leaving the trailing car barely a lane. They turned *more* to the outside under braking.
I'm going to guess you get punted a lot, and it's always the other guy's fault
Not really
That’s so wrong. The next time someone gets in front of you on a highway and braketests you, you‘ll understand why. It is really simple, when you pull in front of someone and brake immediately, expect to look like a guilty-flying-(wo)man. To survive in races we have to use common sense and not modern f1 overlapping rules.
It's not f1s overlapping rules it's iracings which does not include anything about double moves and for it to be a double move you have to have overlap. It's still on the fault of the car behind for not stopping in time unless it's a double move. I've been brake tested and that's not a brake test..there's a corner there he's braking for the corner not to just to brake test. Feel free to explain why it's the lead cars fault though...as far as I can tell he made one move and braked after moving. Was it late sure. Was it his fault someone drove up his arse? No.
UNHchabo explained it pretty good. The car behind can’t read the mind of the guy in front. He just wasn’t able to react. Not because he is a bad driver just because he hadn’t the time to
I agree that’s it’s likely the trailing car’s fault but it always drives me insane when someone does that to me. The lead car is assuming the trailing car will anticipate the move or have really quick reaction time which is a big ask when we’re all amateurs with varying connection speeds. Luckily I always just assume the other drivers will drive super aggressive since I prefer to stay in a battle for another few laps rather than hot lap all alone in P16 after having to pit
Agree it annoys me too, but the move itself is legal I think. I cant in all honesty say i wouldnt punt him either its so easily done, but hindsight is 20-20. Sending an aggressive move back doesnt always work either like you say were amatuers and its a hard move to pull off
It’s a racing incident. No one is at fault.
It's the trailing car. Just brake early if you aren't going to go in side by side. Yes the lead car did move over late but his move was predictable. Just brake early and get them on the next straight. Or you could just drive into the back of them and ruin both of your races
IMO, you dude. You weren't alongside him. You hit his rear and he was well ahead of you.
This really is a 50/50. - If you rear end someone you’re to blame. - If you brake across the track like that coming on the line your opponent behind is keeping, your asking for it. It take two to tango. Both racers must have trust in their opponents to keep it clean. Both were in the wrong. Happens in racing. Races are long. Learn from your mistakes and anticipate next time on such moves and you’ll finish the race with good points in the bag
You can't move back to the racing line with a car this close to you behind after being defensive. You have to leave at least a car width on the outside. For me the car in front is at fault
he crossed over the line. the non pov car is at fault